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PhilB

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #104 on: August 24, 2021, 05:42:17 PM »
Thanks Mark,

Wood for the trees  :)

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« Reply #103 on: August 24, 2021, 05:28:02 PM »
I don't believe this has been shared by anyone....

It was on here @PhilB but no harm done - I've merged the threads.....

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #101 on: August 18, 2021, 05:44:55 PM »
Done it.  Can't see what the fuss is about - it all seems quite reasonable to me. 

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« Reply #100 on: August 17, 2021, 06:33:24 PM »
I note that if you wish to comment on these proposals, you have until 17 Sept to do so.

https://consultation.stockport.gov.uk/policy-performance-and-reform/safe-streets-save-lives-sssl-district-centre-20mph/

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« Reply #99 on: August 17, 2021, 03:41:22 PM »
Even as a person who isn't a highways engineer, but has travelled a lot.

If you were going propose speed humps/cushions/grand canyon, at least put them as the pedestrian crossing which is what they do everywhere else I've been to!.

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #98 on: August 17, 2021, 03:31:52 PM »
The bolt down measures currently installed are non-compliant with The Highways (Road Humps) Regulations 1999 and are therefore illegal. The humps
closest to the crossing are within 30m of that crossing and are therefore in breach of the regulations. Three pairs of humps are sited adjacent to parking
laybys which the stage 1 safety audit conducted by Stockport's own Highways Team stated presented a risk of cars swerving into the laybys to avoid the
cushions and hitting pedestrians that might have stepped into the road to socially distance. The recommendations made in the saefty audit were ignored
when the cushions were installed! The bolt down cushions appear to have a vertical face greater than 6mm, which again contravene the aforementioned
regulations. They are also now lifting from the road and present a trip hazard as well a a vertical face of greater than 6mm.
The measures were installed without any traffic count or speed data available and it is highly questionable whether imposing a 20mph limit in Marple
District Centre is even necessary. The distances, junctions and traffic light setup at the moment make it almost impossible to achieve speeds greater than
20mph anyway, and for the minority of offenders who might attempt to exceed 20mph, speed cushions are unlikely to prevent them doing so.

Interestingly, when I put this to the Highways Team their response (after a mere 8 months) was
·       Normal procedures and standards were not always observed
·       A Road Safety Audit was carried out and did not identify the cushions outside of 85 Stockport Road as a hazard

point 1 means Stockport Highways Team seem to think they can break the law and acts of parliament don't apply to them
point 2 is simply a lie, ref their own safety audit (screenshot attached of the relevant paragraph augmented with actual photographic evidence showing the actual placement of the cushions as installed)
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #97 on: August 17, 2021, 03:19:58 PM »
But we don't like getting criticism when we actually have a chance to be in charge.

Sounds very Cameron & Clegg  :)

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #96 on: August 17, 2021, 03:15:08 PM »
I might have to paraphrase my response.
The letter arrived with the local liberal leaflet, what a surprise.

They were lamenting about how the evil tories and labour are running the council.

25 labour, 26 liberal and they blame 8 Conservative.
;D ;D   they're running the council because they got the most votes!
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« Reply #95 on: August 17, 2021, 03:11:54 PM »
I might have to paraphrase my response.
The letter arrived with the local liberal leaflet, what a surprise.

They were lamenting about how the evil tories and labour are running the council.

25 labour, 26 liberal and they blame 8 Conservative.

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« Reply #94 on: August 17, 2021, 02:59:13 PM »
I see the consultation on this is now in progress and can be commented on on the council website.

As you know, I consider the whole idea to be madness and an insult to Marple, but whatever you think, you can have your say. Whether any notice will be taken of the consultation is likely to depend on whether it agrees with what the council has already decided; or that's what it seems like happens with these "consultations".
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feel free to cut and paste at your leisure if you agree.....

The bolt dwn measures currently installed are non-compliant with The Highways (Road Humps) Regulations 1999 and are therefore illegal. The humps
closest to the crossing are within 30m of that crossing and are therefore in breach of the regulations. Three pairs of humps are sited adjacent to parking
laybys which the stage 1 safety audit conducted by Stockport's own Highways Team stated presented a risk of cars swerving into the laybys to avoid the
cushions and hitting pedestrians that might have stepped into the road to socially distance. The recommendations made in the saefty audit were ignored
when the cushions were installed! The bolt down cushions appear to have a vertical face greater than 6mm, which again contravene the aforementioned
regulations. They are also now lifting from the road and present a trip hazard as well a a vertical face of greater than 6mm.
The measures were installed without any traffic count or speed data available and it is highly questionable whether imposing a 20mph limit in Marple
District Centre is even necessary. The distances, junctions and traffic light setup at the moment make it almost impossible to achieve speeds greater than
20mph anyway, and for the minority of offenders who might attempt to exceed 20mph, speed cushions are unlikely to prevent them doing so.
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #93 on: August 17, 2021, 02:34:49 PM »
I see the consultation on this is now in progress and can be commented on on the council website.

As you know, I consider the whole idea to be madness and an insult to Marple, but whatever you think, you can have your say. Whether any notice will be taken of the consultation is likely to depend on whether it agrees with what the council has already decided; or that's what it seems like happens with these "consultations".

 

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« Reply #92 on: June 24, 2021, 10:48:51 AM »
But you are right about one thing - the stockport council highways /  planning department are not doing a good job for anybody

Again @nbt, I largely agree, but in particular with you closing point.
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« Reply #91 on: June 24, 2021, 10:36:30 AM »
Sadly, it doesn't work that way. We need stick and carrot - both making an impact on the current methods of transport and providing alternatives. At the moment we're not providing alternatives. Years of "encouraging" have not resulted in a big enough change as quite frankly it's too easy to carry on the way we're currently behaing. Hopefully the new generations of electric bicyles will change things as it means people wil be able to get about more easily. I honestly think the e-bike is a game changes, they just need to become more affordable (I ride a LOT and can't justify the prices, but it's on the way)

You get the city you build for - if you build lots of roads, you will get lots of cars. If you build a place that's nice for walking and riding, then you will get people. Just look at dtuch and belgian cities in 1970 vs nowadays  - they made a conscious decision to prioritise people and as a result they're much nicer places to live in. Paris is making the same change on a more recent scale. Saying that "no one cycles so we do't need cycle lanes" is like saying "we don't need a bridge over the river here as no-one crosses at this point"

But you are right about one thing - the stockport council highways /  planning department are not doing a good job for anybody
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #90 on: June 24, 2021, 10:27:44 AM »
whilst I don't disagree with much of what you say @nbt , it's a simple question of return on investment.
I don't have exact figures but I believe our highways team should have these figures but doubt they do; but if the outcome of a £1M investment in cycle lanes encourages only 1 motorist out of every hundred to cycle but the remaining 99 motorist's journey is negatively impacted either because of damage to their vehicle because of speed humps, their journey is slower and they sit in a traffic jam increasing air pollution then there is no business case for the current approach and a more radical approach is required that doesn't impact users of the current only viable transport option for the large majority of people.
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