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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #83 on: January 19, 2021, 11:48:36 AM »
consultation on Windehurst speed "mitgation" measures...
please air your views....
https://consultation.stockport.gov.uk/policy-performance-and-reform/windlehurst-road-traffic-calming-measures/

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #82 on: December 05, 2020, 08:30:30 AM »
Except you can honestly be waiting up to 10 minutes+ at peak times for a gap in traffic to make the right turn out of Threaphurst Lane onto the A6, and even this short stretch of the A6 includes pinch points like pointless central traffic islands. I can’t see anyone new to cycling choosing to do this, it still feels frightening.



Possibly, as a wrinklie I am never there at peak times and I accept you do have to be a little assertive to get into the flow of traffic however the use of Threaphurst Lane is in itself a pleasenter cycling experience than cycling down the A6 from the Middlewood Way and one we should be concentrating on as it's just a nicer way to cycle.

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #81 on: December 04, 2020, 03:21:31 PM »
I totally agree with RSH who said:-
(I really blame the local Marple South & High Lane councillors for not properly fighting on this either. They seem content to sit back and be told what’s what by the Highways masters).


It applies to practically all our Councillors. and so must include the Marple North Councillors as well.  Councillors should be firmly representing the Communities views and not just their own, and should stop simply being no more than Post Boys between the residents and SMBC which appears to have no interest in the future of all the residents in the Stockport area.

Choosing not  to create a link between the Middlewood Way and the A6MARR  simply because it isn't suitable for horse riding is only one of their Pro-Horse Riding related policies.  Britain is 50 years behind many European countries when catering for cycling , and Stockport is a further 50 years behind that when horse riding as a general mode of transport finally disappeared.

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« Reply #80 on: December 01, 2020, 12:14:15 PM »
To come off the Middlewood Way and then use the cycle friendly back road of Threaphurst Lane which then leaves an extremly short distance along the A6 to the lights and the A555 Relief Rd seems by far the best way to access the relief road. I use that out most days and it seems to me to negate any need for a Middlewood Way -A555 cycle link. It's already there as I say it's called Threaphurst Lane.

Except you can honestly be waiting up to 10 minutes+ at peak times for a gap in traffic to make the right turn out of Threaphurst Lane onto the A6, and even this short stretch of the A6 includes pinch points like pointless central traffic islands. I can’t see anyone new to cycling choosing to do this, it still feels frightening.

A link between Middlewood and the old A6/Norbury Hollow would be incredibly easy compared to some of the things SMBC are doing elsewhere, I don’t know what their issue is. It genuinely feels like they got the plan for a shared pavement rejected* and then threw their toys out of the pram, now just saying “well we offered you a shared pavement didn’t we!” and not doing anything else out of spite.

*This was rejected I believe based on a couple of comments from horse riders that because it was due to be on the north side of the A6, cyclists would be travelling fast downhill on the left side of the pavement, directly next to where horses might be coming uphill on the road (because they can’t use such a pavement), causing horses to be alarmed. Apparently they’re used to being passed on the other side. While this is a slightly ridiculous complaint given it suggests taking a horse on a 40mph road in the first place, like that wouldn’t bother them, it’s also slightly ridiculous SMBC didn’t then propose to just widen the pavement on the other side instead, and instead gave us... nothing! For 2 years now. And no plans in progress. I really blame the local Marple South & High Lane councillors for not properly fighting on this either. They seem content to sit back and be told what’s what by the Highways masters.

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #79 on: November 21, 2020, 06:25:39 PM »
Thanks Wheels, I don’t suppose there is a sign on the Middlewood way showing the way to the A6.

Personally I am no fan of the Middlewood way and currently drive to the Deanwater before setting off on my bike, but as I drive along the A6MARR I do wonder if I should try to overcome my dislike of the muddy conditions on the Middlewood Way so as to be able to cycle from home.

Stockport doesn’t realise what a treasure they could have if the Middlewood and Alan Newton Way’s were surfaced properly. A few years ago I did a little survey asking cyclists where they came from.  The first couple I asked were unloading their bikes at Rosehill having driven over from Barnsley.  From then on, discounting a few local cyclists, there was a couple from Northwich, another from Sandbach, and even a father and daughter whose ambition was to ride all the notable cycle paths in Britain.  They had come from Essex to ride the Tissington and Monsal Trails.  They saw an advert for the Middlewood Way so came on to ride it.  I met them coming towards me as I rode back to Marple.  I asked them where they had been and they said they had got to the Council Refuse Tip so decided to turn back. They didn’t see any of the delights of Marple because there was nothing to show them where to go.  I asked them what they thought of the Middlewood, and with only the slightest hesitation they both said of all the trails they had ridden, the Middlewood Way was by far the worst.

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #78 on: November 20, 2020, 06:03:45 PM »
I regret to say, although I would like to use the Middlewood Way and the Alan Newton Way for cycling, until the surface is suitable for commutiers who would be willing to cycle to work instead of using their cars, I too will carry on using my car.

 It should be possible to cycle commute between Manchester, Stockport, Macclesfield and Manchester Airport, but Stockport Council is the muddy sledehammer in the works.   Does anyone know if the link from the Middlewood Way to the A6 MARR is now open and suitable for commuting cyclists, and similarly is the bridge from the Alan Newton Way into Vernon Park now open.

To come off the Middlewood Way and then use the cycle friendly back road of Threaphurst Lane which then leaves an extremly short distance along the A6 to the lights and the A555 Relief Rd seems by far the best way to access the relief road. I use that out most days and it seems to me to negate any need for a Middlewood Way -A555 cycle link. It's already there as I say it's called Threaphurst Lane.

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #77 on: November 20, 2020, 04:05:31 PM »
bonkers! ... who takes a horse to the airport?

How much runway does Pegasus need?
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #76 on: November 20, 2020, 03:22:42 PM »
Unfortunately that is the only record I have. However from what I remember reading some time later in a notice,  from I think Sue Stevenson Transport Manager,  was that the planned link between the Middlewood Way amd the A6 at High Lane had been put on hold because it was considered unsuitable for horses.  If that is the case then any person wanting to cycle between Marple and the Airport, or any of the places in between will have to wait until the horses can easily get onto the A6MARR.
bonkers! ... who takes a horse to the airport?
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #75 on: November 20, 2020, 03:02:09 PM »
In April of this year I responded to an email in this way ;-
Re A6 MARR
To: Julie.Felton@atkinsglobal.com
I wish to be involved in the Post Scheme Consultation on the A6 to Manchester Airport Relief Road scheme for Vulnerable Road Users.

Unfortunately that is the only record I have. However from what I remember reading some time later in a notice,  from I think Sue Stevenson Transport Manager,  was that the planned link between the Middlewood Way amd the A6 at High Lane had been put on hold because it was considered unsuitable for horses.  If that is the case then any person wanting to cycle between Marple and the Airport, or any of the places in between will have to wait until the horses can easily get onto the A6MARR.

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« Reply #74 on: November 18, 2020, 10:06:44 AM »
The link between  Vernon Park and The Alan Newton Way (Dark Lane) is open, as of the last few days. I'm not even aware of any SUGGESTIONS to link the Middlewood Way to the new A555, much less an actual opened path
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« Reply #73 on: November 17, 2020, 06:18:38 PM »
It should be possible to cycle commute between Manchester, Stockport, Macclesfield and Manchester Airport, but Stockport Council is the muddy sledehammer in the works.   

I went down the Middlewood Way yesterday and got covered in mud.  But actually the vast majority of it came from the stretch between Middlewood and Bollington. It was particularly bad near Poynton.  I didn't have much of a problem in the Stockport section.  That was my experience yesterday anyway.

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Does anyone know if the link from the Middlewood Way to the A6 MARR is now open and suitable for commuting cyclists

I am not aware of any link between the Middlewood Way and the Airport Road (A555) if that is what you mean other than to go down the A6 then join the old Buxton Road.  The old road has an access ramp to the the A555.

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« Reply #72 on: November 17, 2020, 05:08:59 PM »
I regret to say, although I would like to use the Middlewood Way and the Alan Newton Way for cycling, until the surface is suitable for commutiers who would be willing to cycle to work instead of using their cars, I too will carry on using my car.

 It should be possible to cycle commute between Manchester, Stockport, Macclesfield and Manchester Airport, but Stockport Council is the muddy sledehammer in the works.   Does anyone know if the link from the Middlewood Way to the A6 MARR is now open and suitable for commuting cyclists, and similarly is the bridge from the Alan Newton Way into Vernon Park now open.

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #71 on: November 17, 2020, 12:18:56 AM »
Safe routes for cycling into Stockport from Marple and High Lane, separate from pedestrians and cars, are so desperately needed, it’s truly woeful that the council continue to ignore this problem and hope it’ll just go away.

Meanwhile, while we wait out their inaction, it would be nice if Marple could at least get a few thousand from the council to resurface the Alan Newton Way into Stockport or the canal towpath out to the High Peak, so that either are actually usable after rain. These aren’t big jobs compared to the amount of road resurfacing that’s done each year. It’s no wonder the roads become choked with cars when the choice for cycling is a deadly road or relentless mud.

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #70 on: November 13, 2020, 10:50:08 AM »
Hi Jim,

This isn't helpful - I don't really want more speedbumps but with out constructive dialogue with council officers via our councillors we'll end up in the self defeating cycle of speedbumps or nothing, nothing isn't an option, so speedbumps it is, but we don't want speedbumps.

I think you mentioned chicanes, narrowing, speed restrictions etc. I've suggested Zebra crossings, junction tables and shared space. Perhaps we ought to start a new thread with what we want to see - from the starting point that the status quo isn't viable. We can then use this to build a plan for Marpe and see how much of that 15 million our councillors will bagsy for us.

As I have said time and time again, if you drive out of Marple in the morning better walking and cycling provision will improve your journey as it'll remove some of the traffic. Pre-covid I was that traffic a couple of days a week, I want to use this time and opportunity to do something constructive that means I don't spend several hours each week crawling down Stockport Road. This could be improving rotes so I and other can cycle or take out a dozen cars that are dropping off at Marple Hall.


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