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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #89 on: June 24, 2021, 08:46:47 AM »
Right, let's have this. I ride bikes, I go walking, and I drive. I've pass my advanced driving test and qualified as an IAM observer. I passed my cycle proficiency back in the day.

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Taking a perfectly safe and wide road

It's not perfectly safe and wide. It's wide, which makes it LESS SAFE. Width encourages speed. It's not safe to approach that roundabout at speed, you need to be slowing on approach. I'm sure at this point all of you will be jumping up and down in your seats saying "but I do slow down, I'm a good driver". Not everyone is a good driver, believe it or not, and sadly the number of "not good" drivers is increasing and that is NOT GOOD for road safety, regardles of whether you are on foot or in a bike (I'm not bothering with those in a big protective metal cage, you have the cage to protect you)


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no one really wants this stuff
I do, and so do other people. You may not, but you aren't everybody so you can't say "no one" wants this.


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the testosterone fuelled mamals don't cycle on the cycle lanes anyway
well,. let's dissect that shall we?

"testosterone fuelled mamals" - so all people on bikes are just proving how manly they are, is that right? We never see kids on bikes, or women? Or just people popping to the shops?

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don't cycle on the cycle lanes

well that all depends on where the cycle lane is, where I'm going, what time it is and how the "cycle lane" is built. I used to commute to Cheadle for instance - If I did that nowadays, I STILL wouldn't use the "Perfectly good" Alan Newton Way cycle link between Marple and Stockport because it doesn't go where I want and it's really poorly surfaced. Many of the "cycle lanes" in Stockport are not actually constructed for the benefit of cyclists, they're deisgned to get those bloody bikes out of the way of the almighty all-important motor vehicle. Occasionally, rather than diverting off though a maze of back streets and thus covering twice the distance, they do run alongside a road - but in this case it's usually a "shared path" where cyclists and pedestrians are supposed to peacefully co-exist. This is an equally bad idea. Pedestrians wander along, chatting to each other or listening to music through headphones or whatever. Cyclists - even those just pottering along - travel at a faster speed and should not be asked to share the same space as it's dangerous for both sides. If I'm riding at a reasonable pace, I won't use a shared path like this unless I know it's going to be empty *for the entire length*.


The plain fact is there are too many cars on our roads, and they're all getting bigger and bigger. Electric cars are not the answer, as they're still car sized. We need to reduce our reliance on cars and encourage people to use other means of transport - walking to the shops, or walking the kids to school, rather than popping down in the car (I've walked to the shops from our house near the ring o'bells and seen neighbours drive the same distance, setting off and arriving at the same time!)

At the moment, public transport is woeful. We don't have a reliable, affordable service that is fit for purpose - unlike London, you can just leave the house and trust that there will be a bus / train along within a few minutes which will get you to where you need to go in a reasonable time. When I want to visit my Dad in Wigan, driving is the only reasonable choice, as public transport would take almost three times as long and cost more than double. This is not sustainable. We need to encourage people out of cars and onto bikes, buses, trains and foot. This means planning, supporting and building quality infrastructure both in terms of timetables and pricing when it comes to public transport, and safe, segragated infrastructure to allow people to cycle. The biggest blocker to people cycling at the moment is fear - people are afraid they'll be knocked off their bikes becuase of the sheer amount of traffic and the initimidating nature of drivers who either just don't look for cyclists or worse still see them and see them as fair game for being stupid enoug to ride on the road

Not every person can ride, I get that. Not every person wants to ride, I get that. But, many people can and do. If you oppose every single safety measure so that you can continue to drive unimpeded, then the amount of traffic will never reduce and you'll remain sitting in that queue of traffic. Every person on a bike is one less person in a car. Think about that the next time you say that cyclists are holding you up - it's not bikes that cause traffic james, it's cars.

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #88 on: June 24, 2021, 08:18:11 AM »
Similar to the terrible road width reduction scheme they're doing from Bramhall roundabout up past the Hazel Grove leisure centre.

Taking a perfectly safe and wide road and chopping it up to create a cycle lane whilst narrowing the road at what I can only assume is an astronomical cost!.
Exactly, but no one really wants this stuff, it simply impedes traffic flow, often creates a more dangerous environment, the testosterone fuelled mamals don't cycle on the cycle lanes anyway, we foot the bill but it keeps Stockport Highways team busy. No one seems to be prepared to stand up to them and say NO.
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #87 on: June 24, 2021, 07:51:24 AM »
Similar to the terrible road width reduction scheme they're doing from Bramhall roundabout up past the Hazel Grove leisure centre.

Taking a perfectly safe and wide road and chopping it up to create a cycle lane whilst narrowing the road at what I can only assume is an astronomical cost!.

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #86 on: June 23, 2021, 05:45:11 PM »
Which Temporary scheme are they referring to, the original mk1 car destroying humps or the rejected proposed mk2 car destruction scheme?
they're all car destroying and all rejected as far as I'm concerned... shame the powers that be aren't listening to that message!
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« Reply #85 on: June 23, 2021, 03:34:11 PM »
Which Temporary scheme are they referring to, the original mk1 car destroying humps or the rejected proposed mk2 car destruction scheme?

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #84 on: June 23, 2021, 12:17:55 PM »
A resounding vote AGAINST speed humps in Marple from "several hundred" repsondents
18% for
68% against
14% alternative measures.
 20mph in Marple Centre is a great idea but clearly not with humps.
Please Please Please can we now do something about our own myopic and obsessive Stockport Highways team.

So the latest I have from the Stockport Highways team, despite having received a request from our councillors to remove the speed cushions based on their feedback as above is now...

"Jon Brown (Network manager for Stockport Highways) states that there is a due process to follow and in this case, whilst the SSSL scheme is temporary the intention has always been to undertake a formal consultation (at what cost!) with residents upon the measures implemented to gauge success or otherwise. It has been agreed with the local Councillors to complete this consultation as if any elements of the scheme are to be made permanent then this should be subject to consultation and formal Committee process."

Stockport Highways team bullying us again and hiding behind "due process" as an excuse to save face rather than admit they got it wrong. Cummon councillors, surely common sense can prevail here?
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #83 on: January 19, 2021, 11:48:36 AM »
consultation on Windehurst speed "mitgation" measures...
please air your views....
https://consultation.stockport.gov.uk/policy-performance-and-reform/windlehurst-road-traffic-calming-measures/

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #82 on: December 05, 2020, 08:30:30 AM »
Except you can honestly be waiting up to 10 minutes+ at peak times for a gap in traffic to make the right turn out of Threaphurst Lane onto the A6, and even this short stretch of the A6 includes pinch points like pointless central traffic islands. I can’t see anyone new to cycling choosing to do this, it still feels frightening.



Possibly, as a wrinklie I am never there at peak times and I accept you do have to be a little assertive to get into the flow of traffic however the use of Threaphurst Lane is in itself a pleasenter cycling experience than cycling down the A6 from the Middlewood Way and one we should be concentrating on as it's just a nicer way to cycle.

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #81 on: December 04, 2020, 03:21:31 PM »
I totally agree with RSH who said:-
(I really blame the local Marple South & High Lane councillors for not properly fighting on this either. They seem content to sit back and be told what’s what by the Highways masters).


It applies to practically all our Councillors. and so must include the Marple North Councillors as well.  Councillors should be firmly representing the Communities views and not just their own, and should stop simply being no more than Post Boys between the residents and SMBC which appears to have no interest in the future of all the residents in the Stockport area.

Choosing not  to create a link between the Middlewood Way and the A6MARR  simply because it isn't suitable for horse riding is only one of their Pro-Horse Riding related policies.  Britain is 50 years behind many European countries when catering for cycling , and Stockport is a further 50 years behind that when horse riding as a general mode of transport finally disappeared.

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« Reply #80 on: December 01, 2020, 12:14:15 PM »
To come off the Middlewood Way and then use the cycle friendly back road of Threaphurst Lane which then leaves an extremly short distance along the A6 to the lights and the A555 Relief Rd seems by far the best way to access the relief road. I use that out most days and it seems to me to negate any need for a Middlewood Way -A555 cycle link. It's already there as I say it's called Threaphurst Lane.

Except you can honestly be waiting up to 10 minutes+ at peak times for a gap in traffic to make the right turn out of Threaphurst Lane onto the A6, and even this short stretch of the A6 includes pinch points like pointless central traffic islands. I can’t see anyone new to cycling choosing to do this, it still feels frightening.

A link between Middlewood and the old A6/Norbury Hollow would be incredibly easy compared to some of the things SMBC are doing elsewhere, I don’t know what their issue is. It genuinely feels like they got the plan for a shared pavement rejected* and then threw their toys out of the pram, now just saying “well we offered you a shared pavement didn’t we!” and not doing anything else out of spite.

*This was rejected I believe based on a couple of comments from horse riders that because it was due to be on the north side of the A6, cyclists would be travelling fast downhill on the left side of the pavement, directly next to where horses might be coming uphill on the road (because they can’t use such a pavement), causing horses to be alarmed. Apparently they’re used to being passed on the other side. While this is a slightly ridiculous complaint given it suggests taking a horse on a 40mph road in the first place, like that wouldn’t bother them, it’s also slightly ridiculous SMBC didn’t then propose to just widen the pavement on the other side instead, and instead gave us... nothing! For 2 years now. And no plans in progress. I really blame the local Marple South & High Lane councillors for not properly fighting on this either. They seem content to sit back and be told what’s what by the Highways masters.

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #79 on: November 21, 2020, 06:25:39 PM »
Thanks Wheels, I don’t suppose there is a sign on the Middlewood way showing the way to the A6.

Personally I am no fan of the Middlewood way and currently drive to the Deanwater before setting off on my bike, but as I drive along the A6MARR I do wonder if I should try to overcome my dislike of the muddy conditions on the Middlewood Way so as to be able to cycle from home.

Stockport doesn’t realise what a treasure they could have if the Middlewood and Alan Newton Way’s were surfaced properly. A few years ago I did a little survey asking cyclists where they came from.  The first couple I asked were unloading their bikes at Rosehill having driven over from Barnsley.  From then on, discounting a few local cyclists, there was a couple from Northwich, another from Sandbach, and even a father and daughter whose ambition was to ride all the notable cycle paths in Britain.  They had come from Essex to ride the Tissington and Monsal Trails.  They saw an advert for the Middlewood Way so came on to ride it.  I met them coming towards me as I rode back to Marple.  I asked them where they had been and they said they had got to the Council Refuse Tip so decided to turn back. They didn’t see any of the delights of Marple because there was nothing to show them where to go.  I asked them what they thought of the Middlewood, and with only the slightest hesitation they both said of all the trails they had ridden, the Middlewood Way was by far the worst.

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #78 on: November 20, 2020, 06:03:45 PM »
I regret to say, although I would like to use the Middlewood Way and the Alan Newton Way for cycling, until the surface is suitable for commutiers who would be willing to cycle to work instead of using their cars, I too will carry on using my car.

 It should be possible to cycle commute between Manchester, Stockport, Macclesfield and Manchester Airport, but Stockport Council is the muddy sledehammer in the works.   Does anyone know if the link from the Middlewood Way to the A6 MARR is now open and suitable for commuting cyclists, and similarly is the bridge from the Alan Newton Way into Vernon Park now open.

To come off the Middlewood Way and then use the cycle friendly back road of Threaphurst Lane which then leaves an extremly short distance along the A6 to the lights and the A555 Relief Rd seems by far the best way to access the relief road. I use that out most days and it seems to me to negate any need for a Middlewood Way -A555 cycle link. It's already there as I say it's called Threaphurst Lane.

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #77 on: November 20, 2020, 04:05:31 PM »
bonkers! ... who takes a horse to the airport?

How much runway does Pegasus need?
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #76 on: November 20, 2020, 03:22:42 PM »
Unfortunately that is the only record I have. However from what I remember reading some time later in a notice,  from I think Sue Stevenson Transport Manager,  was that the planned link between the Middlewood Way amd the A6 at High Lane had been put on hold because it was considered unsuitable for horses.  If that is the case then any person wanting to cycle between Marple and the Airport, or any of the places in between will have to wait until the horses can easily get onto the A6MARR.
bonkers! ... who takes a horse to the airport?
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #75 on: November 20, 2020, 03:02:09 PM »
In April of this year I responded to an email in this way ;-
Re A6 MARR
To: Julie.Felton@atkinsglobal.com
I wish to be involved in the Post Scheme Consultation on the A6 to Manchester Airport Relief Road scheme for Vulnerable Road Users.

Unfortunately that is the only record I have. However from what I remember reading some time later in a notice,  from I think Sue Stevenson Transport Manager,  was that the planned link between the Middlewood Way amd the A6 at High Lane had been put on hold because it was considered unsuitable for horses.  If that is the case then any person wanting to cycle between Marple and the Airport, or any of the places in between will have to wait until the horses can easily get onto the A6MARR.