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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #162 on: January 03, 2022, 02:28:01 PM »
https://stockport.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/616722/start_time/15199000?force_language_code=en_GB

Maybe Cllr @Steve Gribbon can update us after this meeting please?

Quite surprised at the normally sensible Cllr @Steve Gribbon failing to understand how the 20mph measures help people on foot (or other means) and with social distancing. Some pavements in the area (particularly outside Travis Perkins for example) are ridiculously narrow and cluttered with street furniture. If people want to pass each other at a reasonable distance, that’s going to require one party briefly stepping into the road. Stating, quite angrily, “we walk on pavements” as if how dare any pedestrian need to use some of the THREE lanes of carriageway there is a really disappointing and misguided response to this matter. Luckily Malcolm Allan seemed to get it.

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« Reply #161 on: December 08, 2021, 08:34:14 AM »
The speed bumps on Stockport Road were covered at Marple Area Committee Meeting on 1st December.

Councillors were pretty clear on their views about this and their frustration at delays that have occurred in getting the matter resolved.

They are having a meeting with officers some time this week and they were hoping to delegate any decisions to that meeting so that they don't have to wait until the next MAC at the end of January 2022.

You can watch that back via this link:

https://stockport.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/616722/start_time/15199000?force_language_code=en_GB

Maybe Cllr @Steve Gribbon can update us after this meeting please?

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« Reply #160 on: December 06, 2021, 12:28:32 PM »
again though, it depends WHO the councillors spoke to. have you a link to the actual survey showing the questions posed,  an overview of the respondent demographic, details on how the  survey was conducted etc?
A large number of local residents..... is the phrase used, you'd have to ask the councillors for more specifics.. perhaps they didn't ask enough e-bike owners for your liking?
we can wait for the official consultation results which will show the information you're asking for, I believe they are due very soon.
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« Reply #159 on: December 06, 2021, 12:23:04 PM »
again though, it depends WHO the councillors spoke to. have you a link to the actual survey showing the questions posed,  an overview of the respondent demographic, details on how the  survey was conducted etc?
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« Reply #158 on: December 06, 2021, 12:20:12 PM »
Sorry that makes two people complaining about the speed bumps.
check your facts first @nbt
feedback from a large number of local residents garnered by local councillors resoundingly object to them: -
18% for
68% against
14% alternative measures
and perhaps look up the meaning of majority and minority
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« Reply #157 on: December 06, 2021, 12:19:59 PM »
But bear  in mind also that govermnent guidance is that we don't prioritise cars and be wary of listening to shouty peple who object to everything...
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« Reply #156 on: December 06, 2021, 12:18:25 PM »
Bearing in mind that this forum is available to anyone who wants to use it, but is not overly active in terms of the number of posters - so far, @jimblob, there seems to be only YOU  complaining vociferously about this, while there are several others saying "no, this is actually great"

extrapolating that to the rest of Marple would seem to put you very much in the minority.

Buy an e-bike, use that where possible, drive your car SLOWLY if you really need to transport a fridge or a piano or something
lets wait for the results of the consultation to see who's in the minority @nbt. ref also to earlier correspondence provided by our local councillors where it was reported that...


feedback from a large number of local residents garnered by local councillors resoundingly object to them: -
18% for
68% against
14% alternative measures
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #155 on: December 06, 2021, 12:14:42 PM »
Sorry that makes two people complaining about the speed bumps.
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #154 on: December 06, 2021, 11:54:56 AM »
Bearing in mind that this forum is available to anyone who wants to use it, but is not overly active in terms of the number of posters - so far, @jimblob, there seems to be only YOU  complaining vociferously about this, while there are several others saying "no, this is actually great"

extrapolating that to the rest of Marple would seem to put you very much in the minority.

Buy an e-bike, use that where possible, drive your car SLOWLY if you really need to transport a fridge or a piano or something

I have also complained about the insanity of the speed bumps. Ideally, they should be banned altogether, but at the very least, there should be much stricter conditions before such nonsense is allowed.

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #153 on: December 06, 2021, 11:45:13 AM »
Bearing in mind that this forum is available to anyone who wants to use it, but is not overly active in terms of the number of posters - so far, @jimblob, there seems to be only YOU  complaining vociferously about this, while there are several others saying "no, this is actually great"

extrapolating that to the rest of Marple would seem to put you very much in the minority.

Buy an e-bike, use that where possible, drive your car SLOWLY if you really need to transport a fridge or a piano or something
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« Reply #152 on: December 06, 2021, 11:28:33 AM »
You might want that to be true, but the fact is that most people really don't care...they may see them as a mild inconvenience when they first encounter them, but they absolutely do not "feel very strongly" or we'd have Insulate Britain-style protests with people gluing themselves to Stockport Road. Most people just get on with their lives and never think about speed humps and traffic measures at all.
Or perhaps @Howard , the people who do feel strongly about these measures aren't so stupid or as selfish as to glue themselves to the road and they prefer to use legitimate means with the authorities involved and forums such as this to inform and get their message across and help provide all those who you suggest "really don't care" with a voice. eg, almost 1000 respondents to the Windlehurst traffic calming measures where over 80% specifically stated they wanted the measurs "removed in their entirety"!
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #151 on: December 04, 2021, 09:47:05 AM »
Has it occurred to you just how many of us vehemently object to the traffic calming measures? If fact, I think it's true to say that most people feel very strongly one way or the other on the subject.

You might want that to be true, but the fact is that most people really don't care...they may see them as a mild inconvenience when they first encounter them, but they absolutely do not "feel very strongly" or we'd have Insulate Britain-style protests with people gluing themselves to Stockport Road. Most people just get on with their lives and never think about speed humps and traffic measures at all.
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #150 on: December 03, 2021, 11:27:02 AM »
Has it ever occurred to you that you are just wrong and that many of us like the current arrangements.

Has it occurred to you just how many of us vehemently object to the traffic calming measures? If fact, I think it's true to say that most people feel very strongly one way or the other on the subject. However, we all know that we will be ignored by the council whatever we feel, so if we do feel strongly on an issue, whether our view is in the majority or not, it will not be listened to, so there is little point protesting too much.

On this issue. as on most others, the council will do whatever they feel like. I think they know our views; I just get the feeling they really don't care. They certainly act as if that is the case.

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #149 on: December 03, 2021, 10:45:57 AM »
touché @Howard ,
The only way it seems we might see change on this matter given the general tide of ineptitude on the part of Stockport’s highways team and our local councillors is persistence
If you don't like it or it bores you, find yourself another thread to follow.

Has it ever occurred to you that you are just wrong and that many of us like the current arrangements.

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #148 on: November 30, 2021, 02:19:23 PM »
I think "ignored" rather than "read" is a better way of addressing your Facebook posts, but anyway...good luck shouting into the void. I guess everyone needs a hobby...

Sadly "shouting into the void" is pretty much what happens for most sensible campaigns on all sorts of subjects. It is no wonder the public loses trust in politicians and the whole political process.