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Re: Safer Walking and Cycling
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2020, 11:25:48 PM »
A decent surface on Rollins Lane is very understandably the last thing the owners want. The road serves no purpose for the owners other than access to the fields. Put a decent surface on it and what will happen? Trucks will be able to quietly sneak up it at night to dump tyres, fridges and building rubble on it and the cyclists will fly along it at 15mph+ endangering everyone including themselves. Perhaps one of the householders on Bongs Road approaching from Dooley Lane might comment about the horrific fly tipping that has taken place because that road is accessible to vans. The surface of Rollins Lane is ideally suited for the traffic that uses it. Its OK for walking, horse riding or mountain bikes. If cyclists want to travel faster than ten miles an hour there is a purpose made route with just the surface the cyclist needs that goes by the name of Compstall Road and Lower Fold.

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« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2020, 04:31:48 PM »
As I have already explained, Amazon, the council could if it chooses install the kind of hard surface they have laid on bridleways  elsewhere. That would not mean they have to ‘buy’ the track and it certainly wouldn’t cost hundreds of thousands.

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« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2020, 01:26:06 PM »
The thing to do then is to build a case. Survey how Rolling Lane is used at the moment, what would be the attitude of current users and the owners, would it generate more cycling journeys.  Evaluate the costs against the benefits. As you will know Dave that is how things are done. One individual whining here every so often is of no use. If the LA cannot even be convinced it's worth doing that analysis then someone has not set about making their case in a sufficiently positive way.
Have you been down Rollings lane few hundred thousand to do up i recon plus cost of buying it from whom it belongs to .maybe a few owners maybe none just so someone can ride his bike that way you wont to able to use a night when dark .pie in the sky its just not worth it ....

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« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2020, 09:00:17 AM »
However, elsewhere in the rights of way network (eg near the Roman Bridge and Windybottom) the council has installed a new hard surface on bridleways, and it might be worth trying to persuade them to do that in Rollins Lane?

The thing to do then is to build a case. Survey how Rolling Lane is used at the moment, what would be the attitude of current users and the owners, would it generate more cycling journeys.  Evaluate the costs against the benefits. As you will know Dave that is how things are done. One individual whining here every so often is of no use. If the LA cannot even be convinced it's worth doing that analysis then someone has not set about making their case in a sufficiently positive way.

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Re: Safer Walking and Cycling
« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2020, 08:28:08 AM »
How many more times its a private road .

Rollins Lane is shown on the OS map as a public right of way (bridleway). That obliges the council to maintain in a condition safe and suitable for horses, but pedestrians and cyclists are also allowed to use it.  One way it might have its surface improved is if the council adopt it and designate it as a road - but given the cost involved, that isn’t going to happen. 

However, elsewhere in the rights of way network (eg near the Roman Bridge and Windybottom) the council has installed a new hard surface on bridleways, and it might be worth trying to persuade them to do that in Rollins Lane?

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« Reply #54 on: July 09, 2020, 03:13:55 PM »

This is where our local councillors come in, they could work with the different user groups to create a proposal that works for the town and will see us through the next 20 years and the further Londonification of Greater Manchester. This is what has happened in Romiley.

I don't hold out much hope though - perhaps I'll get to use a segregated cycle lane on my mobility scooter in 40 years time!!

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« Reply #53 on: July 09, 2020, 01:52:11 PM »
so the million dollar question has to be....
how do we stop Stockport Highways team f****g up every single "improvement" they implement? Expensive projects that deliver anything but improvements, seem to take an age because they take so long and end up causing more disruption than they purport to fix
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« Reply #52 on: July 09, 2020, 01:14:52 PM »
Really good points Jim, (long post alert!)

The first thing to say is that the improvements to cycling and walking infrastructure would be mitigation in themselves. If we can take some cars off the road then it would really help.

Then, and I am no expert, we need to establish what types of journeys are made through Marple. I’d suggest there are those within the town. People from Rose Hill or Hawk Green popping to the district centre. Those from within Marple travelling to somewhere else, Stockport, New Mills etc. and those journeys that start outside of Marple and end outside of Marple but travel through Marple. Each would need a different strategy.

Those journeys that start and finish in Marple could be reduced with better local infrastructure. We could start with schools – persuading people to walk or cycle with dedicated lanes and zebra crossings and dissuading them by closing roads at certain times and civil enforcement of existing traffic measures. These routes could then link the new pool, park and so on.

For those journeys that travel through Marple but don’t start or end here we can ask the question ‘do they have to travel through the centre of Marple?’ Could we change how traffic moves around the town, someone mentioned a bypass although this will induce traffic flow. (Look at the A555 and High Lane) We could map those journeys and look at reprioritising roads and changing direction signage. There are challenges with this, namely Victorian architecture and naural bottle necks such as Dan Bank. Which is why it is necessary to also dissuade people to travel through Marple by changing the prioritisation of Stockport Road so that it is easier to take another route.

We have those journeys that start elsewhere and end in Marple, the cycling links work both ways and a pleasant town centre would attract more people. We have good car parks at present and people are willing to walk from them to the centre. (think the Trafford centre car park or Manchester train station to the shops)

Finally, we have to look at the journeys that start in Marple and end in neighbouring towns and Stockport. Better infrastructure would help here too, a lot is already there but there are some simple changes that could be made such as all weather surfaces rather than gravel and compacted mud.

Each of the above have particular challenges, as I have said I aint no expert and I’d dearly love to hear from our local councillors as to what their plans are, there is an ‘emergency active travel fund’ which is into the millions for Greater Manchester – how much of that pie do we get? The Stockport.gov website has the quite below for Romiley…

Romiley Active Neighbourhood
Working closely with residents and WalkRide Romiley, it's proposed to develop an Active Neighbourhood for streets north of Compstall Road. This will create improvements for pedestrians in the village centre as well as providing parklets for the community to enjoy. A safe cycle route to Stockport Town Centre will also be created with new crossings on Compstall/Stockport Road, making it easier to access and enjoy the canal and encourage the enablement of play streets.


The aim here isn’t to take all cars off the road – I couldn’t work or live without the car – but if we have a population in Greater Manchester of 2.547 Million people, and there are 200 Million car journeys of less than a kilometre, (0.62 miles) That equates to 78.5 journeys per person. The population figure includes children. If we use a DVLA figure of 141,797 cars registered in the GM boroughs then that figure is 1410 per car per year. This seems hard to believe, but if you count a drive from home to school, to home again, to school at 3pm, to home as four trips each day, it is feasible.

If we can make a dent in this, and children see that an alternative is possible then we may still have some hope!

The government are offering the money, we are being asked what we want to do with it, it seems churlish to say 'nah, we're alright as it is'




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Re: Safer Walking and Cycling
« Reply #51 on: July 08, 2020, 03:59:23 PM »
and how may mnore time do you have to be told. it doesn't matter what it currently is. Stockport spent a QUARTER OF A MILLION POUNDS to buy houses on the junction of Windlehurst Road and the A6 just to knock them down and make a wider lane. They could buy Rollins Lane for less than that. They could come to an agreement with the current owner. They could use accessbility laws to force the current owner to make changes. There are many options. What make you so vehemently oposed to the idea of making things better for anyone other than yourself?
If I recall correctly the compulorsy purchase for the Windlehurst junction which I personally think is a complete waste of space and money as well as being dangerous for cyclists; the funds actually came from government because it was part of the mitigation (goodness knows what was being mitigated) as part of the bypass. Those same funds and mitigation gave us our roller-coaster speed tables and humps on Windlehurst too.
Maybe Windlehurst should be a way to take through traffic out of Marple?
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Re: Safer Walking and Cycling
« Reply #50 on: July 08, 2020, 03:53:58 PM »
@nbt - my thoughts exactly!

@CTCREP  This would divert through traffic around Marple and allow people to move more freely within the town centre.
I'd love to see Marple made more cycle & pedestrian friendly but I'm curious as to where and how the through traffic would be diverted from Marple without major road building?
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« Reply #49 on: July 07, 2020, 08:24:29 PM »
.... I'm fairly lukcu in that I'm reasonably healght....

Mmmmmm, remind me what the NBT handle stands for J ?

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Re: Safer Walking and Cycling
« Reply #48 on: July 07, 2020, 12:51:01 PM »
It not making things better for me
noe one's going to to force you to use the lane so that's fine


its  you that wants it for yourself
I'm happy with the lane, I have used it regularly for the last ten years on my commnute.

there is nothing wrong with the lane as it is its perfectly usable .
Even using it regularly, I can recognise that the state of it is not great for a lot of people therefore I support efforts to improve it. you on the other hand seem to have a very negative attitude to this and to most other suggestions that are made on this forum. Perhaps you should take some time out and have a think about how your posts on here are contributing to the forum and wider how your actions and attitude are affecting society in general. I'm fairly lukcu in that I'm reasonably healght, have a job and a good wage, and I'm happy to pay my tax to support society and support efforts outside of that to make things better for people less fortunate than myself. Maybe you need to think about how you can do that too
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Re: Safer Walking and Cycling
« Reply #47 on: July 07, 2020, 11:31:38 AM »
and how may mnore time do you have to be told. it doesn't matter what it currently is. Stockport spent a QUARTER OF A MILLION POUNDS to buy houses on the junction of Windlehurst Road and the A6 just to knock them down and make a wider lane. They could buy Rollins Lane for less than that. They could come to an agreement with the current owner. They could use accessbility laws to force the current owner to make changes. There are many options. What make you so vehemently oposed to the idea of making things better for anyone other than yourself?
It not making things better for me its  you that wants it for yourself there is nothing wrong with the lane as it is its perfectly usable .

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Re: Safer Walking and Cycling
« Reply #46 on: July 06, 2020, 06:09:21 PM »
How many more times its a private road .

and how may mnore time do you have to be told. it doesn't matter what it currently is. Stockport spent a QUARTER OF A MILLION POUNDS to buy houses on the junction of Windlehurst Road and the A6 just to knock them down and make a wider lane. They could buy Rollins Lane for less than that. They could come to an agreement with the current owner. They could use accessbility laws to force the current owner to make changes. There are many options. What make you so vehemently oposed to the idea of making things better for anyone other than yourself?
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Re: Safer Walking and Cycling
« Reply #45 on: July 06, 2020, 04:31:37 PM »
All true Andy, but having spent nearly 20 years attending Stockport MBC's Cycle User Group and getting practically nowhere I finally gave up about 3 years ago, but I did attend  a meeting about a year ago when we were given the opportunity to see what Stockport MBC were proposing.  It was proudly introduced by the Councillor representing cycling who promptly left the meeting once the inspection began. I could see nothing thing was proposed for the Marple area although the Connect2 Route from Marple to Stockport via Chadkirk was still awaiting completion and I have been trying  for much of these 20 years to get Rollins Lane - part of the route from Compstall to Marple Station - properly surfaced so that people could walk or cycle to Marple Station etc. Britain is 50 years behind many parts of Europe and Stockport even further behind.

I don't know how we get Stockport MBC to move into the 20th century, let alone the 21st, but even if we survive this Covid crisis we still have the Climate Change problems and the recent noticeable reduction in emissions show just how much could be done by making it possible to make many of those journeys that  have been done by car equally possible by cycle or on foot.
How many more times its a private road .