Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)

[Duke Fame]

What objections? Are you getting mixed up with the development at Compstall Printworks that has no provision for affordable housing? There is no reason why the Hibbert Lane site should not have a suitable proportion of affordable housing is there? In fact the brochure states that MH will comply with the council's requirement for 30%.

It was this post from Mylogin that suggested there was a demand for 'affordable' housing.

The housing stock pictured in the brochure is very pretty and, if the same style was adopted on the Willows site, it would be in keeping with other properties on Hibbert Lane but they certainly don't look like affordable housing. The current housing shortage appears to be in the less expensive medium-sized range not large expensive detached properties like these.

To be honest, there are loads of flats available in Offerton that are very affordable, I don't think it's really supply, it's jsut that people want more than is feasible for their money.

[admin]

Define affordable

I'm sure that there are many different definitions but, as I understand it, this is what MH will have to satisfy with their development at Hibbert Lane. It is for SMBC to negotiate and agree exactly how that is achieved:

http://www.stockport.gov.uk/2013/2994/developmentcontrol/planningpolicy/LDF/SPD/affordablehousingspg?view=Standard

There is also more info in this document (starting page 67) that gives more details and identifies the 30% requirement that MH quote in their brochure:

http://www.marplecivicsociety.org.uk/ldfcorestrategydpd.pdf

I don't know if these documents are the very latest versions but it should help to understand what is meant by "affordable housing" in Stockport.

[mikes]

Define affordable

[admin]

The real point is that there seems to be an objection that these houses are unaffordable and it then puts a strain on schools etc. I think the opposite, the posher the housing, the better council tax contribution and therefore more money for schools etc.

What objections? Are you getting mixed up with the development at Compstall Printworks that has no provision for affordable housing? There is no reason why the Hibbert Lane site should not have a suitable proportion of affordable housing is there? In fact the brochure states that MH will comply with the council's requirement for 30%.

[Duke Fame]

Nice troll, @Duke Fame I suspect the vast majority of people in the area send their kids to local state schools. This catchment area will either be All Saints or Rose Hill.

I had to post it twice!

TBPH it will not make much difference. The real point is that there seems to be an objection that these houses are unaffordable and it then puts a strain on schools etc. I think the opposite, the posher the housing, the better council tax contribution and therefore more money for schools etc.

[Howard]

It's suggested that the houses on the new development are not affordable housing, I suspect if that's the case, the kids are going to be sent to private school and will not have too much of an impact on schools.

Nice troll, @Duke Fame I suspect the vast majority of people in the area send their kids to local state schools. This catchment area will either be All Saints or Rose Hill.

[Duke Fame]

I commented on local primary schools, way back in May 2012 when the 'Peacefield' development was going ahead.
If Rose Hill was almost full in March 2013 then things won't get any better.
And if they ever build on 'The Dale' site that will mean even more children.

I've added a quote / link to Lily's old post, Admin:

It's suggested that the houses on the new development are not affordable housing, I suspect if that's the case, the kids are going to be sent to private school and will not have too much of an impact on schools.

[Lily]

I commented on local primary schools, way back in May 2012 when the 'Peacefield' development was going ahead.
If Rose Hill was almost full in March 2013 then things won't get any better.
And if they ever build on 'The Dale' site that will mean even more children.

I've added a quote / link to Lily's old post, Admin:

How many children will there be on the new estate across the road from Peacefield - also needing school places?

What is going to happen to The Dale when the all the children move back to Rose Hill in the Autumn?  Will they demolish The Dale and build more houses on there?

If so, yet more school places will be required.

I know ................... let's build another school !!!!!!

Oh, and don't forget the new estate at Strines. Where will the children from there go? Hague Bar school doesn't look very big.

[admin]

If there are going to be a lot of new houses built - will this not mean that there will be a shortage of primary school places in the local area?

That's a very good point actually. Here's a post / thread relating to that from nearly 2 years ago. What is the situation with availability of primary school places now?

This is broadening out from the original topic of parking now so I have broken out a separate thread but Bramble makes a good point about the longer term problem of school places.

As most will know, not long ago the council decided that we no longer needed as many primary schools as we had due to a decline in demand - the birth rate was falling apparently - so they consolidated with a new school at Rose Hill and Peacefield, a site that (I think) had good potential for expansion, was demolished and houses are currently being built on the site.

I have recently had a couple of informal conversations with local councillors that suggests exactly the opposite of what was predicted is now happening and there is a significant increase in demand developing. In an interesting aside - Mrs Admin suggested that the prediction was bonkers at the time and she told Cllr Shan Alexander that at one of her surgeries in the Library. I remember saying to her afterwards that they must have done proper studies etc - but clearly I was wrong, or the studies were wrong and it would be better to trust the judgement of a childminding grandmother with her finger on the pulse.

So anyway, we now seem to be heading for a crisis in demand for school places. I have some indirect experience of this in that a young couple with two children who are friends with my own kids decided to look at buying on the new development on Cross Lane (Park Paterson site) - they liked the houses but apparently when they made enquiries about school places for their children they were told that Rose Hill is nearly full so they may have to use High Lane. In fact I understand that it was suggested they might get one of them in at Rose Hill but the other would have to go to High Lane. Needles to say, they no longer dream of moving to Marple.

So how bad is this crisis going to be? Does anyone have access to any proper facts, figures and predictions? And what is going to be done about it?

[Razzle24]

If there are going to be a lot of new houses built - will this not mean that there will be a shortage of primary school places in the local area? 

[red666bear]

Not untill they close it to save money there profits are down again .even with all these new supposedly contracts from Amazon .

Amazon quoting amazon.

[amazon]

Those who wanted an Asda filling station, which would have brought about a dramatic reduction in the price of petrol and diesel in Marple. And, of course, those who wanted an even bigger and shinier development at the college's Buxton Lane site than the one we are about to get.

Four weeks to go .

[Dave]

Hopefully now everybody will be happy.  Those who wanted an ASDA have got one.  Those who didn't want a supermarket on CAMSFC have not got one.  Those who wanted more houses in Marple will have them.  Those who didn't want a traffic nightmare will probably have got their wish.  Those who didn't want Chadwick car park developed are likely to be satisfied.  Who have I forgotten?

Those who wanted an Asda filling station, which would have brought about a dramatic reduction in the price of petrol and diesel in Marple. And, of course, those who wanted an even bigger and shinier development at the college's Buxton Lane site than the one we are about to get.

[amazon]

The sorting office was never going anywhere like I told you all at the time.

Not untill they close it to save money there profits are down again .even with all these new supposedly contracts from Amazon .

[simonesaffron]

Hopefully now everybody will be happy.  Those who wanted an ASDA have got one.  Those who didn't want a supermarket on CAMSFC have not got one.  Those who wanted more houses in Marple will have them.  Those who didn't want a traffic nightmare will probably have got their wish.  Those who didn't want Chadwick car park developed are likely to be satisfied.  Who have I forgotten?

Let's see,

Those who: didn't want an ASDA, did want a supermarket on CAMSFC, didn't want more houses in Marple, were prepared to have a traffic nightmare, wanted Chadwick car park developed.