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Title: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: mikes on January 14, 2015, 11:42:18 AM
I understand that there is a notice going to the immediate neighbours of the Hibbert Lane site about the proposed development.  Has anybody seen it yet?

ADMIN - perhaps you should set up a new board for the Morris Homes development as this has absolutely nothing to do with CAMSFC or any of their plans now they appear to have off loaded the site.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: admin on January 14, 2015, 02:07:13 PM
ADMIN - perhaps you should set up a new board for the Morris Homes development as this has absolutely nothing to do with CAMSFC or any of their plans now they appear to have off loaded the site.
Good idea Mike, as soon as we have something to publish I'll do that. I have family living opposite the college so hopefully we'll get hold of anything that's published fairly quickly.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: amazon on January 14, 2015, 03:50:40 PM
Good idea Mike, as soon as we have something to publish I'll do that. I have family living opposite the college so hopefully we'll get hold of anything that's published fairly quickly.

The plans for the houses are now on the Marple civic society website they look very nice well within keeping that area .
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Howard on January 14, 2015, 04:31:19 PM
I suspect that the pictures on the Morris website are just generic designs that they use for new builds. If anyone wants to see their documentation the link (which is not obvious on the Civic Society website) is here:
https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?cid=5AE1C34D7E844FFF&resid=5AE1C34D7E844FFF%21821&app=WordPdf (https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?cid=5AE1C34D7E844FFF&resid=5AE1C34D7E844FFF%21821&app=WordPdf)
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: mikes on January 14, 2015, 04:31:43 PM
Received proposal.  Looks a bit densely packed with 94 homes on.  Also they talk about the development helping the "... local economy of Ribbleton ... " wherever that is.  So obviously a cut and paste of standard answers from another of their developments. 
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: EmmyJane Designs on January 14, 2015, 04:45:34 PM
The gardens look tiny.
It's good to see a pedestrian and cycle way through the estate.

Let's hope the builders use local workmen where possible.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: mikes on January 14, 2015, 07:19:30 PM
Yes modern homes are like rabbit hutches with minuscule gardens. But they suit some people. At least it's preferable to a supermarket.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: sgk on January 14, 2015, 07:30:12 PM
Received proposal.  Looks a bit densely packed with 94 homes on.  Also they talk about the development helping the "... local economy of Ribbleton ... " wherever that is.  So obviously a cut and paste of standard answers from another of their developments.

Ribbleton site was another abandoned educational establishment ?
http://www.blogpreston.co.uk/2014/10/former-golden-hill-special-school-site-to-become-new-homes/ (http://www.blogpreston.co.uk/2014/10/former-golden-hill-special-school-site-to-become-new-homes/)

Council planning site for that development here
http://publicaccess.preston.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=148783 (http://publicaccess.preston.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=148783)
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: admin on January 14, 2015, 07:51:06 PM
Here are some images of the brochure, and a downloadable pdf too:

www.marple-uk.com/Morris-Development-Brochure.pdf

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Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Cuthbert on January 14, 2015, 09:00:03 PM
Would have preferred a supermarket and leisure centre!

Now we have to deal with roughly 150 more cars every morning and evening on already congested roads.
At least it gives the college a chance to upgrade and give our children a good local education.

Hope all these new residents shop locally and don't join the Saturday morning trip to Aldi, Tesco, Sainsburys and Morrisons.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Duke Fame on January 14, 2015, 11:20:26 PM
Would have preferred a supermarket and leisure centre!

Now we have to deal with roughly 150 more cars every morning and evening on already congested roads.
At least it gives the college a chance to upgrade and give our children a good local education.

Hope all these new residents shop locally and don't join the Saturday morning trip to Aldi, Tesco, Sainsburys and Morrisons.

I got one, they look quite nice, I think I'd go for one around £200k
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: mikes on January 15, 2015, 12:21:02 AM
Would have preferred a supermarket and leisure centre!

Now we have to deal with roughly 150 more cars every morning and evening on already congested roads.


There would have been considerably more than 150 cars if it was a supermarket.  It was never going to be a leisure centre because the council would have lost too much in council tax.

I think this is fine for Marple.  Morris Homes appear to be a reasonable builder.  It could have been one of the mass pack em in with 150 properties on the site type builders.  As long as it is done sympathetically for the area the extra people would add to the community.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: admin on January 15, 2015, 07:15:01 AM
Morris Homes built "The Coppice" on Cross Lane (the old Park Patterson site) a couple of years ago, so a good idea of their style can be gained from a walk around there.

http://www.morrishomes.co.uk/news/2012/july/new-detached-homes-to-be-built-in-marple/
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: tricky on January 15, 2015, 10:22:47 AM
So, there'll be even less open space than if Asda had been allowed to build.

Well done MIA



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Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: admin on January 15, 2015, 01:03:47 PM
So, there'll be even less open space than if Asda had been allowed to build.
As I understand it the ASDA scheme and the college scheme were combined with no net loss of green space across the two sites. The Morris Homes scheme is just for the Hibbert Lane site and it looks to me like there in no net loss of green space too.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: rsh on January 15, 2015, 04:06:56 PM
Well, pretty much exactly to be expected. Tightly packed and a token bit of greenspace. I'd have liked to see Aldi buy up some of the land, alongside new houses, to actually give some shopping provision to this huge almost unending residential area, but let's hope the town centre Co-op Asda can cope eh...

Good to see some attempt at permeability with the cycle/footway to nowhere. There there seems to be no link to Willow Grove, but perhaps they don't have the right/existing residents don't want it.

It seems the layout of houses at the front are trying to mimic the wings of the college building. But who's going to want to live next to that mini roundabout? Not our problem. Speaking of which, that does actually seem a better idea, now it won't be clogged with supermarket traffic, to slow down Hibbert Lane.

Who will ultimately own the greenspace? Is it genuinely protected from further development? Might Morris provide some actual play equipment for this part of Marple as a sweetener? There's going to be some bloody noise and disruption round here during the work (much longer than to throw up a supermarket box too).

Though to be honest the Buxton Lane development is more worrying, considering the buses, cars and increased traffic surely to be caused down there and Cross Lane. The turnout onto Stockport Rd is going to be carnage if college traffic starts using it as a loop. Shame the college's old/new buildings aren't the other way round and Buxton Lane could be sold instead.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: My login is Henrietta on January 15, 2015, 04:24:37 PM
The housing stock pictured in the brochure is very pretty and, if the same style was adopted on the Willows site, it would be in keeping with other properties on Hibbert Lane but they certainly don't look like affordable housing. The current housing shortage appears to be in the less expensive medium-sized range not large expensive detached properties like these.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: mikes on January 15, 2015, 09:23:41 PM
The brochure I received shows a mixture of one to four bedroom houses.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: My login is Henrietta on January 15, 2015, 09:29:46 PM
The brochure I received shows a mixture of one to four bedroom houses.
Sorry, I meant the one on the link.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Duke Fame on January 16, 2015, 10:18:32 AM
Sorry, I meant the one on the link.

Well, it seems to me a fairly nice development, far fewer cars than a Supermarket and fewer than the current college where staff park along Hibbert lane making it dangerous for residents to get out of their own driveways.

Well done the coalition
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: wheels on January 16, 2015, 11:45:25 AM
Duke you know better than that. The Tories are so insignificant in Stockport and locally there is no coalition here.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: mikes on January 16, 2015, 03:37:10 PM
Hopefully now everybody will be happy.  Those who wanted an ASDA have got one.  Those who didn't want a supermarket on CAMSFC have not got one.  Those who wanted more houses in Marple will have them.  Those who didn't want a traffic nightmare will probably have got their wish.  Those who didn't want Chadwick car park developed are likely to be satisfied.  Who have I forgotten?
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: red666bear on January 16, 2015, 03:40:20 PM
The sorting office was never going anywhere like I told you all at the time.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: simonesaffron on January 16, 2015, 04:36:22 PM
Hopefully now everybody will be happy.  Those who wanted an ASDA have got one.  Those who didn't want a supermarket on CAMSFC have not got one.  Those who wanted more houses in Marple will have them.  Those who didn't want a traffic nightmare will probably have got their wish.  Those who didn't want Chadwick car park developed are likely to be satisfied.  Who have I forgotten?

Let's see,

Those who: didn't want an ASDA, did want a supermarket on CAMSFC, didn't want more houses in Marple, were prepared to have a traffic nightmare, wanted Chadwick car park developed. 
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: amazon on January 16, 2015, 08:39:35 PM
The sorting office was never going anywhere like I told you all at the time.
Not untill they close it to save money there profits are down again .even with all these new supposedly contracts from Amazon .
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Dave on January 17, 2015, 09:56:06 AM
Hopefully now everybody will be happy.  Those who wanted an ASDA have got one.  Those who didn't want a supermarket on CAMSFC have not got one.  Those who wanted more houses in Marple will have them.  Those who didn't want a traffic nightmare will probably have got their wish.  Those who didn't want Chadwick car park developed are likely to be satisfied.  Who have I forgotten?

Those who wanted an Asda filling station, which would have brought about a dramatic reduction in the price of petrol and diesel in Marple. And, of course, those who wanted an even bigger and shinier development at the college's Buxton Lane site than the one we are about to get.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: amazon on January 17, 2015, 01:00:03 PM
Those who wanted an Asda filling station, which would have brought about a dramatic reduction in the price of petrol and diesel in Marple. And, of course, those who wanted an even bigger and shinier development at the college's Buxton Lane site than the one we are about to get.

Four weeks to go .
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: red666bear on January 18, 2015, 08:43:48 PM
Not untill they close it to save money there profits are down again .even with all these new supposedly contracts from Amazon .

Amazon quoting amazon.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Razzle24 on January 19, 2015, 01:26:33 PM
If there are going to be a lot of new houses built - will this not mean that there will be a shortage of primary school places in the local area? 
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: admin on January 19, 2015, 02:38:42 PM
If there are going to be a lot of new houses built - will this not mean that there will be a shortage of primary school places in the local area?

That's a very good point actually. Here's a post / thread relating to that from nearly 2 years ago. What is the situation with availability of primary school places now?
This is broadening out from the original topic of parking now so I have broken out a separate thread but Bramble makes a good point about the longer term problem of school places.

As most will know, not long ago the council decided that we no longer needed as many primary schools as we had due to a decline in demand - the birth rate was falling apparently - so they consolidated with a new school at Rose Hill and Peacefield, a site that (I think) had good potential for expansion, was demolished and houses are currently being built on the site.

I have recently had a couple of informal conversations with local councillors that suggests exactly the opposite of what was predicted is now happening and there is a significant increase in demand developing. In an interesting aside - Mrs Admin suggested that the prediction was bonkers at the time and she told Cllr Shan Alexander that at one of her surgeries in the Library. I remember saying to her afterwards that they must have done proper studies etc - but clearly I was wrong, or the studies were wrong and it would be better to trust the judgement of a childminding grandmother with her finger on the pulse.

So anyway, we now seem to be heading for a crisis in demand for school places. I have some indirect experience of this in that a young couple with two children who are friends with my own kids decided to look at buying on the new development on Cross Lane (Park Paterson site) - they liked the houses but apparently when they made enquiries about school places for their children they were told that Rose Hill is nearly full so they may have to use High Lane. In fact I understand that it was suggested they might get one of them in at Rose Hill but the other would have to go to High Lane. Needles to say, they no longer dream of moving to Marple.

So how bad is this crisis going to be? Does anyone have access to any proper facts, figures and predictions? And what is going to be done about it?
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Lily on January 19, 2015, 02:58:03 PM
I commented on local primary schools, way back in May 2012 when the 'Peacefield' development was going ahead.
If Rose Hill was almost full in March 2013 then things won't get any better.
And if they ever build on 'The Dale' site that will mean even more children.

I've added a quote / link to Lily's old post, Admin:
How many children will there be on the new estate across the road from Peacefield - also needing school places?

What is going to happen to The Dale when the all the children move back to Rose Hill in the Autumn?  Will they demolish The Dale and build more houses on there?

If so, yet more school places will be required.

I know ................... let's build another school !!!!!!

Oh, and don't forget the new estate at Strines. Where will the children from there go? Hague Bar school doesn't look very big.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Duke Fame on January 30, 2015, 11:03:58 AM
I commented on local primary schools, way back in May 2012 when the 'Peacefield' development was going ahead.
If Rose Hill was almost full in March 2013 then things won't get any better.
And if they ever build on 'The Dale' site that will mean even more children.

I've added a quote / link to Lily's old post, Admin:

It's suggested that the houses on the new development are not affordable housing, I suspect if that's the case, the kids are going to be sent to private school and will not have too much of an impact on schools.

Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Howard on January 30, 2015, 11:53:30 AM
It's suggested that the houses on the new development are not affordable housing, I suspect if that's the case, the kids are going to be sent to private school and will not have too much of an impact on schools.

Nice troll, @Duke Fame I suspect the vast majority of people in the area send their kids to local state schools. This catchment area will either be All Saints or Rose Hill.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Duke Fame on January 30, 2015, 01:46:24 PM
Nice troll, @Duke Fame I suspect the vast majority of people in the area send their kids to local state schools. This catchment area will either be All Saints or Rose Hill.

I had to post it twice!

TBPH it will not make much difference. The real point is that there seems to be an objection that these houses are unaffordable and it then puts a strain on schools etc. I think the opposite, the posher the housing, the better council tax contribution and therefore more money for schools etc.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: admin on January 30, 2015, 02:23:10 PM
The real point is that there seems to be an objection that these houses are unaffordable and it then puts a strain on schools etc. I think the opposite, the posher the housing, the better council tax contribution and therefore more money for schools etc.

What objections? Are you getting mixed up with the development at Compstall Printworks that has no provision for affordable housing? There is no reason why the Hibbert Lane site should not have a suitable proportion of affordable housing is there? In fact the brochure states that MH will comply with the council's requirement for 30%.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: mikes on January 31, 2015, 09:32:55 PM
Define affordable
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: admin on February 01, 2015, 06:07:56 AM
Define affordable

I'm sure that there are many different definitions but, as I understand it, this is what MH will have to satisfy with their development at Hibbert Lane. It is for SMBC to negotiate and agree exactly how that is achieved:

http://www.stockport.gov.uk/2013/2994/developmentcontrol/planningpolicy/LDF/SPD/affordablehousingspg?view=Standard

There is also more info in this document (starting page 67) that gives more details and identifies the 30% requirement that MH quote in their brochure:

http://www.marplecivicsociety.org.uk/ldfcorestrategydpd.pdf

I don't know if these documents are the very latest versions but it should help to understand what is meant by "affordable housing" in Stockport.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Duke Fame on February 02, 2015, 03:58:02 PM
What objections? Are you getting mixed up with the development at Compstall Printworks that has no provision for affordable housing? There is no reason why the Hibbert Lane site should not have a suitable proportion of affordable housing is there? In fact the brochure states that MH will comply with the council's requirement for 30%.

It was this post from Mylogin that suggested there was a demand for 'affordable' housing.
The housing stock pictured in the brochure is very pretty and, if the same style was adopted on the Willows site, it would be in keeping with other properties on Hibbert Lane but they certainly don't look like affordable housing. The current housing shortage appears to be in the less expensive medium-sized range not large expensive detached properties like these.
To be honest, there are loads of flats available in Offerton that are very affordable, I don't think it's really supply, it's jsut that people want more than is feasible for their money.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: JJJA19 on February 18, 2015, 10:26:58 AM
Define affordable

I would imagine a new home for circa £90,000 based on a shared ownership scheme...same as the Coppice developement
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: admin on April 16, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
This has been pretty quiet but it looks like residents of Lyme Grove are not happy:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/residents-objections-plans-94-new-9038460

The planning application still appears to be open for consultation on the Portal with 6 objections, 2 in support and 1 comment at present:

http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData/AcolNetCGI.gov?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=123337
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: marple syrup on April 16, 2015, 10:23:50 AM
I'd suspect the MH Dev plans are the reason the owners of this house (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-27798255.html?premiumA=true) can't shift a detached property in Marple for £200,000. Coombes Avenue backs on to the same area.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: admin on April 16, 2015, 02:33:35 PM
I'd suspect the MH Dev plans are the reason the owners of this house (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-27798255.html?premiumA=true) can't shift a detached property in Marple for £200,000. Coombes Avenue backs on to the same area.

Based on this plan Coombes Ave properties will still be backed onto open field. You can see why the Lime Grove people are upset though:

http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/getimage.asp?DocumentNumber=234930
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Harry on April 16, 2015, 09:28:58 PM
I'd suspect the MH Dev plans are the reason the owners of this house (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-27798255.html?premiumA=true) can't shift a detached property in Marple for £200,000. Coombes Avenue backs on to the same area.

As this house has been on the market for nearly 2 years, I doubt that the possible MH development has anything to do with the lack of a sale.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: marpleexile on April 17, 2015, 12:32:51 PM
As this house has been on the market for nearly 2 years, I doubt that the possible MH development has anything to do with the lack of a sale.

No, I'd say it was probably more to do with the price. Whilst it looks a perfectly nice house, it's not very big.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: DerekS on April 17, 2015, 09:15:44 PM
Which house are you lot on about?
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: admin on April 17, 2015, 11:01:33 PM
Which house are you lot on about?

Hi Derek, the house people have been talking about most recently is on Coombes Ave here:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-27798255.html

I'd suspect the MH Dev plans are the reason the owners of this house (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-27798255.html?premiumA=true) can't shift a detached property in Marple for £200,000. Coombes Avenue backs on to the same area.

It's not impacted by the development on HL in the same way yours is.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: mikes on April 18, 2015, 06:08:31 AM
Perhaps it is time for Derek to plant a row of leylandii at the bottom of his garden.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: DerekS on April 19, 2015, 10:29:56 AM
My neighbour has, thankfully, just cut down his Leylandii.
No, I will fight this on the beaches, on the landing grounds, and in the streets, until MH present a more reasonable plan. I am not a NIMBY or even a BANANA (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Not Anytime)-my acronym.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: My login is Henrietta on April 19, 2015, 10:56:17 AM
It was this post from Mylogin that suggested there was a demand for 'affordable' housing.  To be honest, there are loads of flats available in Offerton that are very affordable, I don't think it's really supply, it's jsut that people want more than is feasible for their money.
So you are suggesting that people who need affordable housing shouldn't be allowed to aspire to live in a nice place like Marple?
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: My login is Henrietta on April 19, 2015, 11:24:15 AM
I'd suspect the MH Dev plans are the reason the owners of this house (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-27798255.html?premiumA=true) can't shift a detached property in Marple for £200,000. Coombes Avenue backs on to the same area.
No, I suspect there are other reasons. Pokey kitchen area, open plan ground floor which must be nightmarishly expensive to heat even with up-to-standard insulation, watching television with the aroma of frying chips and boiling cabbage floating in from the kitchen area is not many people's idea of elegant living and there's nowhere to hide the general detritus of family life when visitors appear, small bedrooms, etc., Over-priced by anyone's standard.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: ringi on April 20, 2015, 03:31:07 PM
So you are suggesting that people who need affordable housing shouldn't be allowed to aspire to live in a nice place like Marple?

No, they can aspire to get train/educated and a good job so they can afford Marple.     Otherwise what is the point of anyone working hard, if you get even the same for being on benefits?
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: sgk on June 23, 2015, 07:46:52 AM
Planning permission for the 94 new houses now granted, see link to Area Committee meeting 10-Jun-2015, item 7 (ii).
http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?MId=6066&x=1 (http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?MId=6066&x=1)
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Razzle24 on June 23, 2015, 08:51:22 AM
I guess that will mean portacabins in Rose Hill School :(
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Harry on June 23, 2015, 03:01:53 PM
I guess that will mean portacabins in Rose Hill School :(

And a lot more cars trying to get in and out of Marple at rush hour.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Marple Sixth Form College on June 23, 2015, 04:48:30 PM
Planning permission for the 94 new houses now granted, see link to Area Committee meeting 10-Jun-2015, item 7 (ii).
http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?MId=6066&x=1 (http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?MId=6066&x=1)

Happy to be corrected, but I think that is just the first stage with the area committee. I think it now has to go to council?
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: admin on June 23, 2015, 06:04:40 PM
Happy to be corrected, but I think that is just the first stage with the area committee. I think it now has to go to council?

I agree with you. I was at the Area Committee Meeting and I believe that the decision made was to pass it to the Planning & Highways Committee with a recommendation to grant. That's also what Marple Civic Society's notes from the meeting suggest but it's not what the minutes of the meeting on the council site seem to say though:

Quote
RESOLVED – That planning permission be granted subject to the completion of a section 106 agreement in respect to open space provision and associated highway works.

I think on the whole it's a good development but I feel more could have been done for the two Lyme Grove residents who are most effected by the plans. I thought at one point our councillors were going to push a bit harder on that but in the end they didn't.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: amazon on June 23, 2015, 07:01:50 PM
And a lot more cars trying to get in and out of Marple at rush hour.
Of coarse .you don't want homes you dint want Asda what do some want .
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: mikes on June 24, 2015, 09:36:51 AM
And a lot more cars trying to get in and out of Marple at rush hour.

I'd have thought that the SEMMMS relief road would create far more traffic than 94 homes.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: mikes on June 24, 2015, 09:41:52 AM
Of coarse .you don't want homes you dint want Asda what do some want .

Open fields and trees would be nice.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Razzle24 on June 24, 2015, 10:49:18 AM
It would have been nice to have had something given back to the community,  for example a park or green area.  Instead we will have had 2 schools  and 1 collage closed - all the land will have been sold off to be developed into housing.  As a result of this  increase in housing (and increase in birth rates), we will have a shortage of school places - what a well thought out strategic decision made by the council to close 3 schools and build one large school!!!

Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: simonesaffron on June 24, 2015, 11:03:55 AM
Yes, with the Asda, Semms Rd  and  Hibbert Lane development, Marple is going to have a bit of a traffic management problem.   
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Dave on June 24, 2015, 11:46:54 AM
It would have been nice to have had something given back to the community,  for example a park or green area.

I think that's what this council minute refers to:

'RESOLVED – That planning permission be granted subject to the completion of a section 106 agreement in respect to open space provision and associated highway works'.

I don't think a possible shortage of school places is anything to worry about - it's not difficult to build extra classrooms as long as there is space on site.

Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Condate on June 24, 2015, 05:13:48 PM
Open fields and trees would be nice.

Indeed so, but sadly few people seem to value such things any more.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: mikes on June 24, 2015, 06:12:50 PM
Indeed so, but sadly few people seem to value such things any more.

Trees don't pay rates
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Bowden Guy on June 24, 2015, 07:03:11 PM
Every house that has ever been built in Marple used to be "green fields".
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: amazon on June 24, 2015, 07:37:04 PM
I think that's what this council minute refers to:

'RESOLVED – That planning permission be granted subject to the completion of a section 106 agreement in respect to open space provision and associated highway works'.

I don't think a possible shortage of school places is anything to worry about - it's not difficult to build extra classrooms as long as there is space on site.


Trees don't pay rates
lovely park in marple .for dog walkers .some seam to think
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Lee on July 07, 2015, 08:47:50 PM
This is potentially a great opportunity for the Colege to work with Marple Athletic JFC and other local sports clubs to develop a modern state of the art floodlit all weather sports facility to serve generations of local children and adults....let's hope we don't miss this opportunity!
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: simonesaffron on July 08, 2015, 06:53:51 AM
Finding the right economic and environmental balance is always a difficult achievement.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: admin on July 08, 2015, 09:24:06 AM
This is potentially a great opportunity for the College to work with Marple Athletic JFC and other local sports clubs to develop a modern state of the art floodlit all weather sports facility to serve generations of local children and adults....let's hope we don't miss this opportunity!

As I understand it the development of the Hibbert Lane site by Morris Homes and the improvements to the Marple College site on Buxton Lane are no longer directly linked since contracts were exchanged for the sale of the Hibbert Lane site.  There is a separate planning application (approved) for the college expansion and a separate thread covering that too here:

http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=5998.0

The college plans include a new sports facility but do not include an all weather pitch at this stage.

 
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: amazon on July 08, 2015, 04:02:58 PM
This is potentially a great opportunity for the College to work with Marple Athletic JFC and other local sports clubs to develop a modern state of the art floodlit all weather sports facility to serve generations of local children and adults....let's hope we don't miss this opportunity!

Yes but then people will be comeplaning its noisy lights on late .,
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: My login is Henrietta on August 05, 2016, 04:23:13 PM
No, they can aspire to get train/educated and a good job so they can afford Marple.     Otherwise what is the point of anyone working hard, if you get even the same for being on benefits?
A bit late this but not everyone who needs affordable housing is (what I gather from your posting) you would call "a scrounger". I have two relatives who took degrees to qualify as teachers and are working in the state system. Neither of them (and their wives, also teachers) live extravagant lifestyles and are saving for a deposit on a house. They have no children because they feel they can can't afford them yet.

They are, however, feckless enough to take a holiday each year - in tents, mostly in this country and are extravagant enough to own small (very) second hand cars which they share with their wives, a television (Freeview only) and, heaven help us, laptops which they have to have for work. Shock horror. No wonder they can't afford to buy a house - in Marple or anywhere else!
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Dave on August 06, 2016, 10:46:47 AM
Well said Henrietta. 
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: My login is Henrietta on August 08, 2016, 04:40:15 PM
Well said Henrietta.
Thank you, Dave.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: My login is Henrietta on August 15, 2016, 05:11:00 PM
If there is a shortage of housing in this country why are there so many unoccupied houses and why are local authorities granting planning permission for change of use from domestic properties to commercial ones (shops, offices, etc.).

This occurred to me this afternoon as I was walking up Stockport Road where yet another former dwelling is being converted into what looks like a shop.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: mikes on August 15, 2016, 09:55:09 PM
The council gets far more in business rates than domestic rates.  Simples !!!
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: My login is Henrietta on August 25, 2016, 02:20:00 PM
The council gets far more in business rates than domestic rates.  Simples !!!
Cynical but true!
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: amazon on August 27, 2016, 02:55:06 PM
Cynical but true!
is the college now empty and when do morris homes start .
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: mikes on August 28, 2016, 07:25:59 PM
They have started a 12 week site clearance and drainage installation in preparation for the build.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: amazon on August 28, 2016, 09:41:16 PM
They have started a 12 week site clearance and drainage installation in preparation for the build.
Thank you
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: My login is Henrietta on September 09, 2016, 02:38:59 PM
They have started a 12 week site clearance and drainage installation in preparation for the build.
Rather a shame that they couldn't have converted the old part of the school building into flats/houses. I noticed the other day that it's quickly becoming delapidated - slates off the roof, broken windows. Sad really. A big chunk of Marple's social history disappearing.

Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: mikes on September 09, 2016, 04:58:39 PM
I have been watching the local yobs climbing over and under the new guard fence put in and heard regular braking of glass, often followed by said yobs being chased out by the security guards.  Be glad when when it is all knocked down.  Couldn't care less about social history it is very over-rated.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: My login is Henrietta on September 13, 2016, 04:04:31 PM
I have been watching the local yobs climbing over and under the new guard fence put in and heard regular braking of glass, often followed by said yobs being chased out by the security guards.  Be glad when when it is all knocked down.  Couldn't care less about social history it is very over-rated.
Bah, humbug!
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: mikes on November 30, 2016, 02:30:47 PM
What a stupid and pretentious name for the new development.  Do Morris Homes actually know where Chatsworth is?  It is not even in the same county as Marple.  It would have been better called after a Marple luminary, e.g. Arkwright, Bradshaw or some such.   Though I suppose it is better than "Sink Estate".
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: mikes on November 30, 2016, 02:34:50 PM
It is mesmerising watching the huge machines tear the old buildings down.  It is like watching a T-Rex tear into the carcass of one of its prey.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Howard on November 30, 2016, 06:03:01 PM
I agree with you @mikes. It's a ridiculous name. Presumably it's supposed to be classy. It's just like naming paint where you need two attractive words stuck together. For example, the new estate where The Dale Primary was is called "Rosedale". It sounds attractive and rural and will attract buyers because it sounds pleasant even though it's a portmenteau of "The Dale" and "Rose Hill". It's like supermarkets tagging "farm" on the end of their own brand food, even though the farm doesn't even exist, just to make it sound more atttractive than "no frills".
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: admin on November 30, 2016, 08:46:15 PM
What a stupid and pretentious name for the new development.

Completely unimaginative. It's been know as the Willows for years, surely "Marple Willows", "Willow Grange" or something on those lines would be more fitting and give a little nod to its history. Trying to make it sound attractive so blatantly by attempting to link it with posh Chatsworth would be totally off-putting to me.
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Lily on December 01, 2016, 09:02:19 AM
I think Admin's suggestion of a name incorporating 'The Willows' would be most appropriate.
Is the name 'Chatsworth Grange' set in stone or could it be changed?
Who decides on these names? Perhaps the local councillors could get involved and get it changed!

I'm afraid that the name Chatsworth Grange conjures up images of 'The Chatsworth Estate' in the television programme 'Shameless' to me.  Not a good image!!
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: tonyjones on December 01, 2016, 09:28:21 AM
Mark and Lilly have beaten me to it.

The name for the development should incorporate the name Willows.

The developers obviously did not consult any local organisation on the subject as I am sure the Civic Society wold have suggested such a name.

Lets hope it does become like the other Chatsworth estate !
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Dave on December 01, 2016, 06:02:03 PM
Chatsworth Grange is hilarious! Somebody somewhere who has never heard of 'Shameless' has chosen it because they think it sounds posh, oblivious to the fact that to many people, as LIly points out,  it's the complete opposite.  They might as well call it Benefits Street! Wonderful!    ;D
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: sgk on December 01, 2016, 10:18:45 PM
New Chatsworth Grange estate website now live, see http://chatsworthestate.channel4.com/ (http://chatsworthestate.channel4.com/)

MODERATORS NOTE: This link is not actually the web site for the Hibbert Lane estate currently under construction but the link to the site for the Channel 4 show "Shameless" which is also set on an estate called "Chatsworth Grange". The web site does contain material intended for an adult audience so please be aware of that before you click. Personally I think it's hilarious that the developers used the same name as that from a fairly infamous drama. Howard
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: My login is Henrietta on January 11, 2017, 12:20:15 PM
What a pity they had to go and choose a silly out of area name for the new estate on Hibbert Lane. Something around "The Willows" would be more suitable/in keeping with the site (and less snobby). 
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Rcsprinter123 on February 04, 2017, 09:00:02 PM
Here is a link to a video of Hibbert Lane being demolished. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-IlfCyKQA0)  :(
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: benevans_13 on September 29, 2017, 01:51:49 PM
Hi all - I am currently in my last year of University, and if you could take the time to fill out my survey it would be a great help! The purpose is to look at the different opinions of those across Marple and Marple Bridge surrounding the housing development on Hibbert Lane. The plans to build 94 houses was approved in 2015, and is still undergoing construction. Whether you have strong opinions or couldn't care about the development, all answers to the questionnaire will be a great help, as they will show me what locals think of it. Thank you!
The link is: http://survey.sogosurvey.com/r/AvZu5N

(In advance, apologies for the spelling mistakes on the survey - can no longer edit so please look past!)
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Blackfryers on October 03, 2017, 01:25:28 PM
Ben - we are currently producing a 'Neighbourhood Plan' for Marple and your survey results could help us with our housing policies. If you are willing to share your survey results (when complete), or are interested in getting involved, could you email me please? peterblack62@gmail.com
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: benevans_13 on October 19, 2017, 06:06:13 PM
Hi all,

I just want to say a massive thank you to all those that have completed the survey so far – your answers and time given are greatly appreciated!

Just a last minute ask for anyone who hasn’t as of yet, your answers to my survey are completely anonymous, and will provide a great help for when I’m writing my dissertation (don’t worry if you have strong opinions or couldn’t care, all responses help to show me what those in Marple, Marple Bridge and nearby think of the development!)

The link is: http://survey.sogosurvey.com/r/AvZu5N

Thank you!

(P.S. Blackfryers / Peter I have emailed you!)
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: Lily on October 19, 2017, 06:14:06 PM
I filled it in the other day 'benevans' and am pleased to be of help.

It would be interesting to know how many people have actually filled your survey in and, if possible, what the general opinion is (when you get chance!).  Just being nosy!

Thanks

Lily
Title: Re: Morris Homes Development of Hibbert Lane (Chatsworth Grange)
Post by: ShellyG on March 17, 2019, 08:05:16 AM
The gardens look tiny.
It's good to see a pedestrian and cycle way through the estate."

The gardens are large and spacious at the rear of the properties  :-) 
Title: Unplanned tree removal
Post by: mikes on June 11, 2019, 02:19:29 PM
I see Morris Homes are now removing trees that their original plans said would be retained.  In particular a large plane tree opposite the Brindley Avenue junction with Hibbert Lane was removed this morning.  I have reported to council and local councillor.   Quite why Morris Homes feel the need to remove perfectly sound and healthy trees is beyond me, especially as they had agreed that they would remain in the first place.