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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #153 on: December 06, 2021, 11:45:13 AM »
Bearing in mind that this forum is available to anyone who wants to use it, but is not overly active in terms of the number of posters - so far, @jimblob, there seems to be only YOU  complaining vociferously about this, while there are several others saying "no, this is actually great"

extrapolating that to the rest of Marple would seem to put you very much in the minority.

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« Reply #152 on: December 06, 2021, 11:28:33 AM »
You might want that to be true, but the fact is that most people really don't care...they may see them as a mild inconvenience when they first encounter them, but they absolutely do not "feel very strongly" or we'd have Insulate Britain-style protests with people gluing themselves to Stockport Road. Most people just get on with their lives and never think about speed humps and traffic measures at all.
Or perhaps @Howard , the people who do feel strongly about these measures aren't so stupid or as selfish as to glue themselves to the road and they prefer to use legitimate means with the authorities involved and forums such as this to inform and get their message across and help provide all those who you suggest "really don't care" with a voice. eg, almost 1000 respondents to the Windlehurst traffic calming measures where over 80% specifically stated they wanted the measurs "removed in their entirety"!
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #151 on: December 04, 2021, 09:47:05 AM »
Has it occurred to you just how many of us vehemently object to the traffic calming measures? If fact, I think it's true to say that most people feel very strongly one way or the other on the subject.

You might want that to be true, but the fact is that most people really don't care...they may see them as a mild inconvenience when they first encounter them, but they absolutely do not "feel very strongly" or we'd have Insulate Britain-style protests with people gluing themselves to Stockport Road. Most people just get on with their lives and never think about speed humps and traffic measures at all.
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #150 on: December 03, 2021, 11:27:02 AM »
Has it ever occurred to you that you are just wrong and that many of us like the current arrangements.

Has it occurred to you just how many of us vehemently object to the traffic calming measures? If fact, I think it's true to say that most people feel very strongly one way or the other on the subject. However, we all know that we will be ignored by the council whatever we feel, so if we do feel strongly on an issue, whether our view is in the majority or not, it will not be listened to, so there is little point protesting too much.

On this issue. as on most others, the council will do whatever they feel like. I think they know our views; I just get the feeling they really don't care. They certainly act as if that is the case.

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #149 on: December 03, 2021, 10:45:57 AM »
touché @Howard ,
The only way it seems we might see change on this matter given the general tide of ineptitude on the part of Stockport’s highways team and our local councillors is persistence
If you don't like it or it bores you, find yourself another thread to follow.

Has it ever occurred to you that you are just wrong and that many of us like the current arrangements.

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #148 on: November 30, 2021, 02:19:23 PM »
I think "ignored" rather than "read" is a better way of addressing your Facebook posts, but anyway...good luck shouting into the void. I guess everyone needs a hobby...

Sadly "shouting into the void" is pretty much what happens for most sensible campaigns on all sorts of subjects. It is no wonder the public loses trust in politicians and the whole political process.

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« Reply #147 on: November 30, 2021, 12:32:31 PM »
I have taken direct action @Howard, nothing as irresponsible or as selfish as gluing myself to the speed cushions or as childish as posting memes, but reading the regulations, garnering the facts and building a strong case  to the Highways team, both directly and via my local councillors and Area Committee meetings in the naïve hope that my local councillors might support me in this endeavour. My regular posts on FB (thank you for reading them by the way), specifically in relation to the Windlehurst speed cushions consultation perhaps helped contribute to almost 1000 respondents, of which over 85% requested that the “measures be removed in their entirety”. They’re still there, and this was a campaign pledge from Cllr McCallister to get them removed! Persistence it therefore seems is the only remaining weapon in my armoury.

I think "ignored" rather than "read" is a better way of addressing your Facebook posts, but anyway...good luck shouting into the void. I guess everyone needs a hobby...
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #146 on: November 30, 2021, 11:26:12 AM »
How well has that persistence worked out for you so far? You post about it pretty much non-stop on FB as well, which has a wider reach than this forum.

If you feel about it as strongly as you appear to, I believe direct action is the way you should go. Glue yourself to the speed bumps
I have taken direct action @Howard, nothing as irresponsible or as selfish as gluing myself to the speed cushions or as childish as posting memes, but reading the regulations, garnering the facts and building a strong case  to the Highways team, both directly and via my local councillors and Area Committee meetings in the naïve hope that my local councillors might support me in this endeavour. My regular posts on FB (thank you for reading them by the way), specifically in relation to the Windlehurst speed cushions consultation perhaps helped contribute to almost 1000 respondents, of which over 85% requested that the “measures be removed in their entirety”. They’re still there, and this was a campaign pledge from Cllr McCallister to get them removed! Persistence it therefore seems is the only remaining weapon in my armoury.
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #145 on: November 30, 2021, 09:54:43 AM »
touché @Howard ,
The only way it seems we might see change on this matter given the general tide of ineptitude on the part of Stockport’s highways team and our local councillors is persistence
If you don't like it or it bores you, find yourself another thread to follow.

How well has that persistence worked out for you so far? You post about it pretty much non-stop on FB as well, which has a wider reach than this forum.

If you feel about it as strongly as you appear to, I believe direct action is the way you should go. Glue yourself to the speed bumps
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #144 on: November 30, 2021, 09:31:46 AM »

touché @Howard ,
The only way it seems we might see change on this matter given the general tide of ineptitude on the part of Stockport’s highways team and our local councillors is persistence
If you don't like it or it bores you, find yourself another thread to follow.
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #143 on: November 29, 2021, 08:55:59 PM »
I have to say, @Belly referring to a motorist as a clown for simply trying avoiding a large and potentially vehicle damaging lump in the road when they're likely adhering to the speed limit is a little unfair and somewhat presumptious.

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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #142 on: November 29, 2021, 10:55:46 AM »
The potential for the odd clown to drive through marked parking bays in order to try to avoid the need to slow down just a little bit. 
I have to say, @Belly referring to a motorist as a clown for simply trying avoiding a large and potentially vehicle damaging lump in the road when they're likely adhering to the speed limit is a little unfair and somewhat presumptious.
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« Reply #141 on: November 29, 2021, 08:54:33 AM »
Is this a good time to note that it is not a requirement on the Council to implement / act on all suggestions set out in an RSA1? Has anyone read the Council's 'Designers Response' to the RSA, where they will have no doubt responded to this point? They defiitely should have.

As you might have guessed, I haven't btw, but it may well be that they ultimately determined that the principle of seeking to limit general traffic speeds to 20mph on the route overided the potential for the odd clown to drive through marked parking bays in order to try to avoid the need to slow down just a little bit. 

The point of an RSA1 is for an independent party to review an initial scheme & highlight any potential issues for the original designer to consider in more detail and respond to when progressing their scheme. There are further stages to go through when designing the works in detail and implementing on the ground.   
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I have previously requested this information from the highways team and been met with a wall of silence other than two very succint statements.... (it took them 9 months to reply, despite repeated requests).
·       Normal procedures and standards were not always observed
·       A Road Safety Audit was carried out and did not identify the cushions outside of 85 Stockport Road as a hazard

point 1 suggests that it's OK to breach regulations written in law and point 2 is a lie if one cares to read para 8.4.2 of the RSA1.

I don't believe an RSA2 or stage 3 has been carried out as it should have been during the implementation phase and despite many opportunities for a "designers response" the only response provided when questioned has been the two points above. Similarly, the breach of The Highways Regulations (Road Humps) Regulations 1999 has not been explained ... namely cushions within 30m of a pedestrian crossing; again a wall of silence and not even information as to which regulations apply, even when asked! The RSA1 was done without any speed or traffic data so your suggestion that the principle of seeking to limit general traffic speeds to 20mph is without foundation with no evidence to suggest that prior to the measures, speeds exceeded 20mph, similarly, there is no evidence that post implementation, speeds are below or limited to 20mph. It is worth noting however, that the measures were implemented to make social distancing safer as we came out of lockdown and the cushions next to laybys actually reduce safety in this regard as the RSA1 comments allude to in paras 8.4.1, 8.4.2 8.4.3 & 8.4.4. swerving is seen as the risk, NOT speed!
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #140 on: November 26, 2021, 06:34:37 PM »
Is this a good time to note that it is not a requirement on the Council to implement / act on all suggestions set out in an RSA1? Has anyone read the Council's 'Designers Response' to the RSA, where they will have no doubt responded to this point? They defiitely should have.

As you might have guessed, I haven't btw, but it may well be that they ultimately determined that the principle of seeking to limit general traffic speeds to 20mph on the route overided the potential for the odd clown to drive through marked parking bays in order to try to avoid the need to slow down just a little bit. 

The point of an RSA1 is for an independent party to review an initial scheme & highlight any potential issues for the original designer to consider in more detail and respond to when progressing their scheme. There are further stages to go through when designing the works in detail and implementing on the ground.     
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Re: More "Safe Street" proposals in Marple centre
« Reply #139 on: November 25, 2021, 10:22:36 AM »
Would you care to comment on my observatiobns @Steve Gribbon , the fact that the speed measures are in breach of regulations and also that the stage 1 safety audit recommendations were ignored. I do feel that "not being a fan" is a little understated when compared to these measures breaching regulations and safety audit recommendations. I appreciate you might not want to pass on those comments on this forum but you're welcome to reply to my earlier emails and voicemail left for you on this matter... you have my number I believe?

A couple of posts from this thread have been moved to the trivia section as they have added no value to this conversion.

You would be much more likely (but not guaranteed) to get a response from Cllr @Steve Gribbon if you posted using you own real name rather than an anonymous alias. It's easy to change in your profile.