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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2020, 03:50:22 PM »
Here's an update from the LibDems

I think they're very keen to make it work - be a big feather in Lisa Smart's cap come the next elections too:

https://werneth.mycouncillor.org.uk/2020/09/03/local-lib-dems-agree-to-fund-rail-service-which-northern-plan-to-close/

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2020, 07:54:20 AM »
Extraordinary conclusion to the Extraordinary Marple Area Committee Meeting on the closure of the Rose Hill Line last night!

Councillors propose to provide their own train service! Will it work?

Watch on catch-up: https://stockport.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/504796/start_time/6744000?force_language_code=en_GB


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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2020, 08:22:41 PM »
Well! Did you watch it? That was a pretty radical proposal at the end!

You should be able to watch it back via this link later:

http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?MId=27839&EVT=101&DT=A


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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2020, 07:31:40 PM »
Save Rose Hill Line!

There is now a new web site on-line about saving the Rose Hill Line: https://saverosehill.co.uk/

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2020, 08:19:58 AM »
Thanks for the notification Mark.

Also to note that Northern has now issued the replacement shuttle bus timetable during the line closure and the Monday to Friday service is attached for comments.

There is also a special page on Northern's website about travel options at all the stations affected on the Hyde Loop.

www.northernrailway.co.uk/rosehill2020

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2020, 07:29:12 AM »
Update 29 August 2020

An Extraordinary, Marple Area Committee meeting has been called for Wednesday, 2nd September, 2020 6.00pm. regarding the Temporary Withdrawal of the rail service on the on the Rose Hill Line. This will be a webcast remote meeting that can be watched live or on catch-up:

http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?MId=27839&EVT=101&DT=A

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2020, 06:40:54 AM »
Friends of Rose Hill Station are disappointed to report the following update on this issue:

William Wragg MP (Con Hazel Grove) very recently attended a meeting with Northern alongside Andrew Gwynne MP (Lab, Denton and Reddish), Jonathon Reynolds (Lab, Stalybridge and Hyde) and Cllr David Meller from Stockport MBC where they all put the strongest case against the temporary closure of the Rose Hill to Manchester via Hyde line, but unfortunately, as it stands Northern were unable to reverse this decision.

William is in close contact with the Rail Minister to bring pressure to bear and continue to campaign against this proposed closure.

The closure of the line is scheduled from Monday 14 September until Monday 14 December 2020 with alternative travel options including a shuttle bus service Mondays to Saturdays linking Rose Hill, Marple and Romiley stations. In addition the shuttle bus will also serve Woodley during peak times in the morning and afternoons for schoolchildren.

We have not given up the fight yet and are reviewing our options but you can also help by signing one of the following petitions, if you have not already done so.

https://www.williamwragg.org.uk/campaigns/save-rose-hill-marple-service-piccadilly

https://www.lisasmart.org.uk/rose-hill-rail

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2020, 06:28:53 PM »
An article has been added to the main site about Friends of Rose Hill Station and other rail user groups' fight to stop train cuts proposed for Rose Hill to Manchester Piccadilly line:

https://www.marple.website/community-projects/fighting-rose-hill-cuts.html


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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2020, 08:05:48 AM »
Thanks for the comment and clearly Northern have had problems with staffing levels and insufficient number of staff to meet their agreed service levels for some time. However we are arguing the point that their claim that this service is lightly used is not justified and why us? We have official ORR (Office of Rail and Road) numbers that passenger traffic has increased on this line by  40% in the last 5 years and, on an annual basis, would affect around 250,000 passengers travelling to and from Manchester.

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2020, 05:44:09 PM »
Melancholy writes:
train drivers are no different to other driving professions in that they have to have basic good health, are tested for serious conditions when they enroll, and have regular medicals to test for these things. They are therefore highly unlikely to be classed as vulnerable people. 

Well the regional director of Northern says they have 'a number of colleagues who are classified as vulnerable'. Unless we are calling him a liar (I hope not!), then we have to take him at his word.

In any job, including driving trains, staff can over time develop chronic medical conditions.  Some of these, such as asthma, bronchitis,  type 2 diabetes, are manageable, and don't prevent staff from continuing to do their jobs.  But they do make them vulnerable to covid-19. 

All employers are obliged to make 'reasonable adjustments' to an employee's working conditions in order to accommodate illness or disability, as long as the illness or disability doesn't prevent them from doing their job.  In the case of a train driver, my guess is that they would be OK to continue to drive, because they will normally be alone in the cab and therefore 'socially distanced'. But they would not be able to have anyone else in the cab with them, which would presumably rule out being trained on new trains.

So it does appear that Northern have got a real problem. I wish FoRHS luck with their petition, but it's hard to see what the solution might be.

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2020, 04:17:49 PM »
Hello, the Friends of Rose Hill Station have started discussions with Northern, TfGM and other groups about the temporary cancellation.
Our first Press Release is attached. ITV Granada Reports also filmed at the station last Tuesday 28th July and we are waiting now for it to be broadcast.

Obviously we need all the support to oppose this terrible decision so let me know if you have any questions or require contact details of relevant indiviuals using the email address quoted in the press release.

Thanks




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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2020, 10:36:57 AM »
She also writes:
The government/ NHS classify people with certain long-term health conditions as vulnerable to the Coronavirus- diabetes, respiratory diseases, cancer etc.  Also older people (eg over 70). They are supposed to take extra precautions and not mix with others, so they probably couldn’t undergo driver training.

Yes, but train drivers are no different to other driving professions in that they have to have basic good health, are tested for serious conditions when they enroll, and have regular medicals to test for these things. They are therefore highly unlikely to be classed as vulnerable people.  I also find it unlikely that the only people qualified to train the drivers are over 70 or seriously ill, too.

I agree the petitions are an over-reaction and guaranteed to get public sympathy and support (which is why the local politicians are climbing on them). I'm not so sure that services would resume again though. So much about this crisis is taking away things and being very reluctant to give them back.

Andrewbowden I don't disagree that Pacers have to go, but for the sake of keeping a service open for everyone it's better having them than no trains at all. 

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2020, 06:05:37 PM »
The manager of Northern Rail seems to put this squarely as a result of being unable to train people up to drive new trains.  Given the situation, why not keep the Pacer "fleet" going in the meantime if it serves the community as it did? 

Some Pacers are still running.  Hang around Marple and you will see them.  Due to disability laws, they have to be coupled with an accessible train. So you will see them coupled up to something else.

But ultimately what they want/need is to get rid of them and ensure their shiny new trains are running (n.b. not that they are due to serve Marple.) because otherwise you have millions of pounds worth of trains hanging round that are unusable. How long do you keep them sat there?  It could take years otherwise.

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2020, 12:44:13 PM »
Melancholy makes a good point about temporarily bringing back the ‘Pacers’ to solve the problem of driver training.

She also writes:
He says a number of colleagues are "classified as vulnerable". By whom, and how? What are the criteria for someone being "invulnerable"?

The government/ NHS classify people with certain long-term health conditions as vulnerable to the Coronavirus- diabetes, respiratory diseases, cancer etc.  Also older people (eg over 70). They are supposed to take extra precautions and not mix with others, so they probably couldn’t undergo driver training.

To be honest I think all the petitions are an over-reaction. Very few people are using the trains at the moment. Northern have clearly got a problem, but it should be a temporary one. There’s no reason to see this as a sneaky way of achieving permanent closure of Rose Hill. I think we should all calm down and take Northern at their word.

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2020, 09:55:47 PM »
The manager of Northern Rail seems to put this squarely as a result of being unable to train people up to drive new trains.  Given the situation, why not keep the Pacer "fleet" going in the meantime if it serves the community as it did? 

He says a number of colleagues are "classified as vulnerable". By whom, and how? What are the criteria for someone being "invulnerable"?  How is it not possible to train a train driver in a controlled setting?  How does "uplifting" services on the Marple-New Mills corridor balance with removing it entirely from a different corridor?

We should not be too surprised. Until very recently train companies were actively discouraging people to travel.

We are now seeing a whole new universe of bureaucracy and regulation.

It's very sad news but a logical progression based on fear.  Expect more of this, and in other places.