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Miss Marple

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« Reply #563 on: August 06, 2011, 04:39:51 PM »
We could never in our wildest dreams imagined the amount of support given by local people today at out outside petition stall.   Not only had we gained well over a 1,000 signatures, I left at 3pm and people were still lining up to sign, we have had offers of help from legal people, a barrister,  manufactures, media and more importantly THE COMMUNITY !!   The local paper was there and we have a fantastic photo which will be hitting the papers next week all in all it was a fantastic day.   If anyone wants to volunteer to man the stall next sat please contact the Action Line or  send a personal email to myself or Admin because even with 10 people manning the stall we were struggling to attend to the crowds,  we will be out and about for the next three Saturdays and just to let you know that something BIG !! is happening on Sat 20Th Aug , so all of you who have left details will be contacted .   TEAM MARPLE !!!    WHAT A TEAM !!!!   ;D

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« Reply #562 on: August 06, 2011, 04:28:13 PM »
Thank you, alstan and JMC, for contributing two of the most rational posts on this thread. Personally I have an open mind on this issue: I can understand the college's position, in seeking to improve the facilities for its students (aka our kids and grandkids), but I can also understand the opposition of those who live near the Hibbert Lane site.
However, one thing is clear: the way forward is through reasoned argument, and not through the personal vilification and near-hysteria of some posts on this thread :-(

I completely agree :)

Miss Marple

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« Reply #561 on: August 06, 2011, 04:13:33 PM »
Hi Alstan I am one of the founders of MIA and I take full responsibility for the fly posting   The police can easily contact me via the hot line which  would probably give us more publicity. 
 MARPLE IN ACTION have always encouraged people if they so wish to start their own group in favour of the proposed supermarket.  Please feel free to contact me via the hot line, the staff will take your details and I will return your call.    I will be happy to inform you personally about the meetings I have had with interested parties re this matter and that will give you information to make a decision based on an informed choice.  MM

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« Reply #560 on: August 06, 2011, 02:58:56 PM »
Thank you, alstan and JMC, for contributing two of the most rational posts on this thread. Personally I have an open mind on this issue: I can understand the college's position, in seeking to improve the facilities for its students (aka our kids and grandkids), but I can also understand the opposition of those who live near the Hibbert Lane site.
However, one thing is clear: the way forward is through reasoned argument, and not through the personal vilification and near-hysteria of some posts on this thread :-(

JMC

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« Reply #559 on: August 06, 2011, 11:10:16 AM »
Taken from the email posted a few pages earlier;
'Who will buy the site and what use the planners will ultimately approve is up to them.

We can make no assumption as to who the ultimate purchaser will be.  No contracts have been signed and any decision is subject to the approval of the SMBC Planning Committee.  The College, being a public body, must always act in the best interests of our students and is duty bound to accept the highest offer without fear or favour.'

Seems cut and dry to me that they have already made their minds up to take the offer from the highest bidder to do what they like with the land.


JMC

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« Reply #558 on: August 06, 2011, 11:07:38 AM »
You make some interesting points, Alstan. I know from talking to local people that quite a few people are in favour of a supermarket because they either already go to a tesco/asda etc. out of marple, they don't like the Co-op (usually quote it being expensive or a stranglehold) or think the jobs would be good for marple. Anyone against usually mention either traffic or the effect on local shops. It gets confusing, though, when some people say they don't mind a supermarket in the village centre (surely that will also take away from local shops).

One thing that stands out to me from the articles recently posted is that if a supermarket build a large store, they are depending on many thousands of peole going there and drawn from nearby areas. This would be my main concern. Even if people who normally drive out of the area to tesco/etc now stay in marple. would that be outweighed by people in neighbouring areas coming?

I also am not sure how the Buxton lane campus can be made to hold the entire population of the college. Is the grass area between peacefield school and the college belonging to the college? Presumably it would have to be a large high rise building.

It seems certain to me that the college will sell it to a supermarket and thats why they are selling Hibbert lane and not Buxton lane. I don't think the Co-op is going far enough with their offer of half of hanburys. People seem to want better prices than what the Co-op can offer. They should look at that asap as it could have more effect.

alstan

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« Reply #557 on: August 06, 2011, 10:37:34 AM »
I was blissfully unaware of this furore until an outbreak of  flyposting in Marple last weekend  and, as a result, I was unfortunately among the 23,500 Marple residents who did not attend the Area Committee meeting on 26th July. I have spent some time reading the posts in the hope  of establishing the facts but they seem rather difficult to find. At the moment they seem to consist of the fact that CAMSAC are considering the sale of land. Other than that there is much speculation and guesswork amounting to a protest against we know not whom in respect of their proposals for we know not what.
The particular targets seem to be supermarkets in general and that bete noire of the chattering classes, Tesco, in particular.
It would be interesting to know what proportion of the household expenditure of Marple people is actually spent in Marple. I suspect that it is a small fraction, the reason being that there isn’t a decent supermarket in the town and people prefer to travel to Hazel Grove, Poynton, Stockport, Romiley, or Glossop, depending on their preferred supplier, most of which are better served. As far as shopping mileage is concerned the impact of a new supermarket in Marple would be to reduce mine by 500 miles p.a.  There only needs to be 1000 other Marple residents in the same situation, and there would be a reduction of half a million miles.
While the prospect of a supermarket is at present unpalatable to some, including, no doubt, some who do not have a vested interest, this might well change as the decline in our standard of living gathers pace and private transport becomes more of a luxury than it is now. It is not unrealistic to envisage circumstances where any community of our size would be grateful to have within its boundaries a means of meeting its needs and ,while it appears that our elected representatives will for now prevent such a development, this is a democracy and they would no doubt bend with the wind. Let’s hope that when times get really bad Aldi, Lidl, or Netto will be prepared to come to the rescue.
Comparisons have been made between the potential site on Hibbert Lane and Tesco’s Portwood store but it seems ridiculous to suggest that they would consider a “superstore” in a suburb (aka”village”) of this size. They would be far more likely to build a more modest store and retain the ability to extend it if, and when, its value to local people has been established .Reference has been made to the rather industrial architecture of Tesco Glossop and Whalley Bridge. Again that is unthinkable and I am sure that any supermarket that might win the day would adopt a faux rural design to please the villagers.
While on the subject of Tesco, we should bear in mind that, over the past 30 years, they have been one of the most successful of British companies and most of the people in this country will have benefited from their enterprise in some way. They have been a  significant constituent of most pension funds and one of the few consistent contributors to those funds. They employ almost half a million people. They contribute a proportion of their pre tax profit to charity. Their innovations in marketing and technology have been of great benefit to consumers. They made the first online shopping transaction in the world in 1984. The introduction of Tesco own brand products covering three quality ranges and several product categories, together with its intense competition with other supermarket chains has had a helpfull impact on the CPI and their overseas operations result in a significant contribution to our balance of payment.
With regard to the recent posts regarding the posting of notices. All the ones that I saw were flyposting which, without a permit, is illegal under the Highways Act 1980, the Town and Country Planning Act 1990, the Anti–social Behaviour Act 2003 and the Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005. Marple-in-Action are ill advised to associate the name with them, something which would no doubt be confirmed by any Community Support Officer.
Finally there is much sound debate and common sense displayed in the posts on this thread but, sprinkled among it there is some pure nastiness from those determined to display their ignorance and obsession. With friends like them Marple-in-Action cannot afford too many enemies
Just for the record, I have no connection with the college, with Tesco, or with any other supermarket and my car is blue, not red!

Miss Marple

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« Reply #556 on: August 06, 2011, 12:05:19 AM »
 MARPLE IN ACTION  undertaking surveys and petitions re the proposed supermarket will be on Market St  from 10am - 4pm     The press will also be on Market Street tomorrow at 10-30 around The Iceland area.   Please come along it will be great to meet all the people who have offered their support.   I think I may have to request the services of Max Clifford at this rate

Maria

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« Reply #555 on: August 05, 2011, 06:59:39 PM »
The college have disregarded selling to separate bodies as not viable-the supermarket want the land as they need a bigger store so would not agree to purchase only part.  They have advised that no money will pass hands until planning permission is granted-the planning is the key issue we should all be concerned with.  If planning is rejected, whether initially or otherwise, the sale will not go ahead and they then have to look at other options.  They also need planning for Buxton lane if they are to achieve what they wish.

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« Reply #554 on: August 05, 2011, 05:42:45 PM »
I think that some people think that they will not have problems due to not living on Hibbert Lane but I have just been informed from a very reliable source today that the college are planning to massively re develop and rebuild The Buxton Lane college with several high story buildings which if I lived on Cross lane , Buxton Lane or any of the houses around and about I would be mighty worried about being over looked, no parking, noise and traffic.

So if I am emotional or overly concerned so should we all !!  because as I have said time and time again on this site !  We can all be arm chair socialists but we all really  need now to wake up and smell the coffee.!!!
  
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« Reply #553 on: August 05, 2011, 05:39:00 PM »
I think that some people think that they will not have problems due to not living on Hibbert Lane but I have just been informed from a very reliable source today that the college are planning to massively re deveop and  rebuild The Buxton Lane college with several high story buildings which if I lived on Cross lane , Buxton Lane or any of the houses around and about I would be mighty worried about being over looked, no parking, noise and traffic    

Neil has submitted a FOI to the college concerning covenants at each campus (not just Hibbert Lane), see details of the FOI here.

Maria submitted a FOI to Stockport Council concerning costs of developing the Buxton Campus (which I am sure should not be subject to any commercial confidentiality issues, as it's about the College spending its own money on its own property).  The council have bounced it though, saying it's the College who know such info, so I'll speak to Maria about resubmitting it.

Miss Marple

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« Reply #552 on: August 05, 2011, 05:26:21 PM »
I think that some people think that they will not have problems due to not living on Hibbert Lane but I have just been informed from a very reliable source today that the college are planning to massively re develop and rebuild The Buxton Lane college with several high story buildings which if I lived on Cross lane , Buxton Lane or any of the houses around and about I would be mighty worried about being over looked, no parking, noise and traffic.

So if I am emotional or overly concerned so should we all !!  because as I have said time and time again on this site !  We can all be arm chair socialists but we all really  need now to wake up and smell the coffee.!!!
  

marpudlian

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« Reply #551 on: August 05, 2011, 03:26:09 PM »
I wounder weither we could conveince the college to split the site into 2 halfs? by spliting the site up we effectivley kill 2 birds with one stone, because there limiting the size of the supermarket that could be built, and were still allowing the college to site the site. Although we'd have to make sure that we had a buyer lined up for one half of the site.



An excellent idea!

Lisa Oldham

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« Reply #550 on: August 05, 2011, 01:45:01 PM »
Mark.. I agree... however in order to go forward with what WE want we need to "forgive and forget" to a degree! and try and move forward with them.  At mo(completely different to the deliberate failure to inform!)  i expect keeping quiet is a panic situation .. its the holidays.. they re not quite sure which way to move... or which way public opinion will go.. they're probably waiting for legal advice..maybe even advice from the bidders!

They ARE going to sell it.. we don't want them to sell it to current bidders... so lets work with them to stop them doing exactly that! Harassing  them constantly isn't going to work as they will just hide!  I'm not saying we should stop raising awareness of the issues within our community at the same time just lets explore other avenues and keep it as positive pressure not abuse.

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« Reply #549 on: August 05, 2011, 01:36:21 PM »
Does anyone know what difference it makes if the college is a Charitable Trust (which I think it is but am trying to confirm this)? I think it might be a responsibility not to go for the highest bidder but to take more account of ethical and community concerns....but I am prepared to be wrong on this! It'd might be helpful to know if anyone has a clear understanding of what Charitable Trust status is.