..... This will involve demolishing the swimming baths (over my dead body) and the newsagents. As a sweetener to the out cry that will start once it is out there are plans to build a swimming complex on the Woodville site or in that vicinity. Hope this is just a rumour but there is usually no smoke without fire! My god ! I feel another petition coming on :P
The swimming pool, just like the library, or even the cinema, is one of those amenities that very few people use yet there is an outcry whenever there is suggestion one may close.Who told you the library was not well used .a crazy posting .
Personally, I think it would be advantageous to have just one swimming pool and library is Stockport town centre and none others in the borough - council tax would go right down!
I don't mind the college being demolished but a new large supermarket seems a bit OTT for this area - more council housing would be a better addition to the area.
The Department of transport and SMBC have already "Paved the way" for any major supermarket by altering junctions,a so called cycle track and stregthening of Dan Bank. ;)YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH !!!!!
The swimming pool, just like the library, or even the cinema, is one of those amenities that very few people use yet there is an outcry whenever there is suggestion one may close.Why would council tax go down?It never has,never will and the tax banding is for Stockport not Marple ::)
Personally, I think it would be advantageous to have just one swimming pool and library is Stockport town centre and none others in the borough - council tax would go right down!
I don't mind the college being demolished but a new large supermarket seems a bit OTT for this area - more council housing would be a better addition to the area.
Why would council tax go down?It never has,never will and the tax banding is for Stockport not Marple ::)
IF tesco are planning to build a store on the Hibbert Lane site they are probably looking at trying to get customers from:why does everybody shop at TESCO .NEW SWIMING BATHS NEW ROAD LAYOUT TO COMPLIMENT DAN BANK .
Disley and High Lane who will travel through Hawk Green,
New Mills who will travel along Strines Road and through the centre of Marple
Marple Bridge, Compstall and Romiley who will travel up Brabyns Brow and through the centre of Marple.
The centre of Marple around stockport Road will become grid locked.
Apart from traffic concerns the real issue is what will happen to all the local shops who will loose custom.
Marple does not want or need a tesco store coming in to grab all the business it can.
Item 6
STRATEGIC PROPERTY DEVELOPMENTS
The Chair reported that the consultants were making good progress with property matters. More information on progress would be brought to the next meeting of Corporation.
If only there was a Marple councillor in the management team at the college. :-\
Oh wait, here we are : Councillor Shan Alexander ;D
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Has anyone any idea of how we can start the objections before it gets to the planning dept so we are not just left with a cut and sealed decision ?Dont littlewoods the buchers have a form in the shop .
Has anyone any idea of how we can start the objections before it gets to the planning dept .......
Has anyone any idea of how we can start the objections before it gets to the planning dept .......
Why are so many people set on objecting to something they know nothing about?
Wait until you see some proposals and, if you don't agree with them, object then.
I am slowly but surely coming to the conclusion that our representatives think that they can speak on our behalf!
Cllr Alexander is not listed on the Cheadle and Marple College web site as a governor or committee member and I suspect the info you have linked to may be out of date.
You would note that it is dated 2006. There is a Cllr. Margaret McLay listed as a Governor and I think she may have taken over Cllr Alexander's role some time ago.
http://www.camsfc.ac.uk/cmsfc-about.asp?AboID=44
Think you missed my point ! I am talking democratic not totalitarian :oI am slowly but surely coming to the conclusion that our representatives think that they can speak on our behalf!
Imagine their impertinence! Surely when the community elect someone to act / speak on their behalf then you can hardly be shocked when they do.
That's what I am trying to do Harry! It's called having an informed choice !!! Which is not a phrase you hear so much especially in Stockport. Armed with knowledge and the right to active consultation, mountains have been known to be moved, armchair politics is exactly why nothing ever gets done, and then most of us have that 'OH MY GOD ' type moment !Has anyone any idea of how we can start the objections before it gets to the planning dept .......
Why are so many people set on objecting to something they know nothing about?
Wait until you see some proposals and, if you don't agree with them, object then.
All planning applications succeed eventually. Planning is exactly like playing poker. Only when you give up do you fail.
all the students would go to the Tesco's for lunchWhat is wrong with that? they have to go somewhere, where do they go now?
It would be like the rush hour but 12 hrs a dayAt the moment people are driving through Marple going to Stockport & Bedbury, etc. A store in Marple would result in less driving for residents and people in surrounding area's instead of driving through would stop in Marple. It would also mean less traffic in Bredbury!
half the shops would shut as a resultI disagree, the shops in Marple are not competing with the Supermarkets. We are all going to the Supermarkets now anyway in Stockport & Bredbury or wherever. In fact because residents would be more likely to stay in Marple and people from the surrounding area instead of driving through actually stop in Marple the local shops could actually see a boom in business.
1 By going to the local shops in keeps Gregg's etc in business, without the student income they would close.
Not if they sell the land for a housing development, OK will cause an increase to the local traffic but it is the lesser of the two evils.
there's a lot of guessing going on in this thread
Dont they now have a lagest waitrose now in Poynton .Quote from: Councillor BisphamAll planning applications succeed eventually. Planning is exactly like playing poker. Only when you give up do you fail.
While I appreciate his candid opinion on the proposal, it's heartening to see the Poynton folk weren't quite so defeatist as the councillor. Local folk should be entitled to a say in their environment and the success or failure of a development shouldn't just come down to who has the fat wallet.
After they won their battle with Tesco, their campaign website was taken down, but it's still possible to view a copy of it via archive.org here (http://web.archive.org/web/20081120171000/http://www.poyntonagainsttesco.co.uk/).
Tescos wouldn't bring any more traffic - the same number of people will do the same amount of shopping ... they just won't have to drive into Stockport or Hazel Grove to do it. I can't imagine many people from outside deliberately driving into Marple because a new supermarket has opened there. Nor can I imagine any decent small shop in the centre of Marple suffering: the supermarkets simply don't sell the same things.Agreed with that. It's strange that a village the size of Marple has had that single Co-op for so long. While I'd hate us to be overrun with chains like Hazel Grove, it probably ends up being to the detriment of Marple and its local shops that so many people end up driving out of the town to do their shopping.
If Tesco is pure speculation ( which I very much hope it is ) why have Littlewoods Butchers started a petition in opposition ??? I do not go to Littlewoods as I am a veggie, does anyone know where they gained their information from?
One of the lovely and unique things about Marple is the variety of small local shops. and although I do the bulk of my shopping in Sainsburys, I visit the local butchers, fishman and greengrocers weekly, as well as the deli for special cheeses, gifts etc. The quality of meat and fresh veg is a million times better than from supermarkets.
Well said moorendman! We all shop in the big supermarkets from time to time - but the Co-op is not at all bad, and often has offers to rival the others. Plus free delivery, and local staff that you get to know over time. I shall be very interested to eventually find out what is the actual truth, rather than all these rumours!!Glad you dont think its not bad today sat 25 june very few veg alot of the shelves big gaps in them i went with a list of five items icame back with two . if you call that not bad . ROLL ON TESCO .
Not big enoughWe could ask for it to be on two floors ;D. In fact Tesco Extras are only small stores. Hey I might suggest it to them ! It will save on the increased traffic into Marple and everyone in the Bridge will be happy with the well stocked shelves. Do you know I amaze myself sometimes with my insight and forward planning ideas :P
Tesco Extra are their largest stores. As in the Stockport one.Yes that's the one Harry thank you ! You can tell I don't get out of Marple much :o
I think you mean Tesco Express, which are convenience stores.
you certainly amaze us with your ideas..Awh cheers mate ! I try my best :-*
and by amaze I mean bewilder ;)
good fun :)[ no trees would need removing if this went ahead ]Now your on my wave length Amazon !!! I can see your warming to the idea :D
I have contacted a couple of local councillors and The press so I am waiting for their response ???I suspect you have asked councillors to look for something that isn't there, tesco would not permission on a green field site. I'd like to see traders open later and likes of tesco would have too much competition.
I would suggest that the only effective way that local people can voice their opposition to the site being used for Retail development is by signing a local petition, if there is enough support for this can it be arranged to be on-line using this site? With the new planning guidelines being introduced planners have got to take into account local views and this just might be enough to frighten off any developer.
With regard to the College closing, from what info I have been able to gather there is no question mark at present over student numbers, the college at present has enough students to fund itself. Questions need to be asked of the Governing body as to why they didn't apply for funding earlier, while it was still available, and why £12M needs to be spent on new buildings.
Just out of interest has the Marple Business forum gained the views of local traders and if so is it positive or negative regarding Tesco ???
With regard to the College closing, from what info I have been able to gather there is no question mark at present over student numbers, the college at present has enough students to fund itself. Questions need to be asked of the Governing body as to why they didn't apply for funding earlier, while it was still available, and why £12M needs to be spent on new buildings.
The college will only discover how many students they will have in the next academic year, after enrolment, which starts at the end of August. Until then its just guesswork.
I understand that the Hibbert Lane site needs a lot of money spending on it in order to bring it up to current standards. This I can fully understand after having been in there a few years back. It makes good sense to to dispose of the old building and create a new, state of the art, learning centre that would be more conducive to education.
"To name just a few would result in Marple loosing it's unique quality and possibly ending up like Milton Keynes I say enough is enough and to people who have chosen to move to Marple from elsewhere surely it was something to do with it's uniqueness that you choose to move here. I would doubt very much if people who were born and breed here are happy to see all our wonderful childhood memories being wiped of the face of the earth in an attempt to make money under that old chestnut called progress. And seriously how much more traffic can Marple take, be it Tesco or Housing the roads are bad enough ! I for one say that there should be no development on the site and the land used for the youth of Marple For which there is nothing !"
Marple won't lose it's unique quality and end up like Milton Keynes, I know MK quite well and it is soulless, something Marple hopefully never will be.
However I chose to move to Marple 22 years ago and we have loved it here, but life moves on, the kids have left and its time to move on, maybe to somewhere a bit more rural. You can't stop progress, Marple is not a village, it's a large town, and not really where I want to spend the rest of my life. As for Marple having nothing for young people, I disagree. Beavers, Cubs, Scouts, Rainbows, Brownies, Guides, Tennis Club, Cricket Club, Football Clubs, Rugby Club, Carver theatre, Cinema, Swimming Pool, Parks - and probably more that I don't know about! Good lord what more do you want?
Why is everything always a closed meeting ! What do people talk about that they don't want people to hear. I thought only the Masons did that ? And more to the point what do shop keepers talk about that is MI 5 stuff and deemed too secretive for the public ! Oh my god its not the price of FISH is it :-\
Truth is though that people shop differently nowadays..
I've lived in Marple almost all my 43yrs but Mrs Tricky and I simply don't have the time to shop in the same way as people (with no other choice) once had to do.
Most local traders, whilst I wish them well, simply can't offer the flexibility in opening hours that I, and so many people, require.
We mostly 'shop' online after the kids have gone to bed, and then we have it delivered at a time that suits us. This, to me, just seems so civilised! (& I hate shopping to be fair)
I'm not totally sure why I should feel I have to pay more for my goods just because they are sold to me by someone who has a shop in the village. Sorry.
I for one say that there should be no development on the site and the land used for the youth of Marple For which there is nothing !
Sorry forgot to ask if people on the site are interested in attending the meeting ( you can remain anonymous ) if so will you post and let me know or send me a personal email
Isn't it strange that the Peacefield school site hasn't been snapped up,or has it? It is obviously very well situated for the redevelopment of CAMSFC If the Hibbert Lane site is sold.Does anyone know who owns the Hibbert Lane campus land?The LEA,SMBC or the college itself maybe.I for one hope it is not SMBC or it could be a case of Signed ,Sealed, Delivered Tesco's yours!
That's great !!! The more people asking questions and organising themselves must be better than just waiting for the deed to be done. I thought at one point I was talking to myself , well done for getting involved Can you keep us all up to speed by printing the minuets of the meetings and all correspondence on the site so everyones informed as to how it's developing And thanks for the straw poll which speaks for itself ! Fantastic stuff !
The meeting was obviously a closed shop as I cannot see an open invitation.Yes I realise short notice,venue etc,Why was Miss M asked to attend?That in itself is not a problem as she has suggested a meeting on this forum.If it is not a too personal question? did you have a previous engagement?or would you prefer an on mass' protest/meeting? I think it is worth considering the thought that while everyone involved is "Going for Tesco" Morrisons,Asda etc could be sneaking in the back door unchallenged. A back door server you could say :o
(3) The Corporation shall ensure that a copy of the draft or signed minutes of every meeting of the Corporation, under paragraph (1), shall be placed on the institution’s website, and shall, despite any rules the Corporation may make regarding the archiving of such material, remain on its website for a minimum period of 12 months.
Miss Marple - in your next communication with our good friends at Cheadle+Marple College, could you ask them to publish the recent Corporation+Committee meeting minutes ?
They all (Audit Committee, Corporation Committee, Estates Committee, Finance & General Committee, Search + Governance Committee, Teaching Committee) used to get published at least 4 times a year, but nothing has been made available at all this year. See Minutes page (http://www.camsfc.ac.uk/cmsfc-about.asp?AboID=47).
The last published minutes of the Estates Committee (17th June 2010 (http://www.camsfc.ac.uk/assets/file/Govenors/Minutes%20of%20meetings/Estates%2017_06_10m%20amended%20F&G%2001_12_10.pdf)) were particularly interesting, so could be worthwhile reading the subsequent ones.
The college are of course obliged legally to make such minutes available, see Instruments + Articles (http://www.camsfc.ac.uk/assets/file/Govenors/instrument-and-articles.pdf), so I'm sure it's just an oversight rather than a veil of secrecy descending upon any nefarious motives.Quote(3) The Corporation shall ensure that a copy of the draft or signed minutes of every meeting of the Corporation, under paragraph (1), shall be placed on the institution’s website, and shall, despite any rules the Corporation may make regarding the archiving of such material, remain on its website for a minimum period of 12 months.
I'm sure Marple is safe in your hands Miss Marple ;DOh I am not sure about that Johnny Boy but I will do everything I can to oppose a land grabbing and land bagging giant like Tesco from destroying what's left of Marple And I hope I can count on your support :-*
Dear Stockport Borough Council,
Please could you furnish me with details of correspondence between Tesco, Turner and Townsend, Walsingham Planning, Cheadle & Marple Sixth Form College and the council (officers and elected officials) and within the council with regard to plans for a supermarket on the existing college site in Marple?
Yours faithfully,
Neil Corrie.
I am a forum member and am worried.Of course we will all work together I just need to know what peoples interests are that's why I am asking the questions, it's just that I am worried as to why The Business Forum isn't worried. But hey I might have got this all wrong and September may be a slip of the pen, here's hoping :-X
I attended the meeting Admin went to on Friday night.
I am following this thread with interest and agree with Admin that we all need to work together to find the facts.
All forum members are listed on the forum website.
why didn't you try to inform the community
As Peter mentioned below, he forwarded this thread to our Local Councillors. He has received the following reply from Councillor Shan Alexander:
Cheadle & Marple 6th Form College
The leisure Centres are closing to the public with effect from 31 December 2006. With membership and bookings declining in the face of increased competition it has not been possible to cover the cost of running the leisure Centres for a number of years. This decision has not been taken lightly. Given that the core business of the college is the provision of 16 to 19 education the college has reluctantly decided to take this decision to close this facility to the public. The Leisure centres will be still available to the students. There are very new and excellent facilities available at Marple Hall School.
Sale of land
Cheadle and Marple 6th form College has no intention of selling any land at present. They have asked for a feasibility study on the buildings at both sites. This is to look at the viability or otherwise of running a college on one site and to look at building a college of the future, fit for purpose to achieve the highest standards for students, teacher and all concerned. There has been no planning application sent to the planners at the council.
Dear Cheadle and Marple Sixth Form College,
Please could you furnish me with details of correspondence between supermarket chains, Turner and Townsend, Walsingham Planning, Cheadle & Marple Sixth Form College staff, Cheadle & Marple Sixth Form College governors, and within the college with regard to plans
for a supermarket on the existing college site in Marple?
Yours faithfully,
Neil Corrie.
Regarding MBF attending future meetings of the group of residents now also getting up a head of steam: I don't think that will be a problem as there were 5 members of Marple Business Forum and 3 from Marple Civic Society at the meeting on Friday.
Yes I know there have been rumours on this site, but we are lay people. I am talking about The Business Forum monitoring the situation for five years and not doing some digging, they must know what happens in Business especially where Tesco is concerned. Its just a shock to me and I am now concerned that it's all been agreed and it's been left too late .
At this stage sending letters to the college and others associated with the proposed purchase is pointless, even if they do respond to your requests the information will be of little or no importance.
It would appear that Tesco are on the home straight and the good people of Marple who have genuine concerns and objections to the proposed purchase are not even off the starting blocks and in persuing this course of action alone will waste what little time if any we have left.
If Tesco wants to BUY the land and the college wants to SELL the land then there is nothing that anybody can do to prevent it.
If the sale goes ahead even without planning permission for a supermarket then there are only 2 possible outcomes both of which in my view will be bad for Marple.
1. Planning permission for the supermarket is granted even after a lengthy campaign by Marple residents to oppose it. It will however have minor compromises attached to the original proposals which will sereve to enable the people of Marple to claim victory but more importantly promote customer loyalty to the new store. However the store is built and Marple and it's people have lost.
2. Planning permission for the supermarket is declined due to the lengthy campaign by Marple residents to oppose it. Tesco still own the land and buildings and after many years of neglect and vandalism (bowling green, jolly sailor, anyone) the idea of a nice new supermarket doesn't seem that bad after all and the very same people that opposed the original application will be begging Tesco to redevelop the site. Again the store is built and Marple and it's people have lost.
I hope I have demonstrated that the fight right now isn't about the plans for a supermarket it is more about trying to deter Tesco from buying the site and a couple of letters here and there requesting information just isn't going to achieve that. What is needed is more direct action which involves the community as a WHOLE which will send a clear message to Tesco BEFORE THE SITE IS PURCHASED!!
At this stage sending letters to the college and others associated with the proposed purchase is pointless, even if they do respond to your requests the information will be of little or no importance.
Activate the whole of Marple hit them in the pocket.
shop locally
have a late Thursday where all the shops open til 9
QuoteActivate the whole of Marple hit them in the pocket.
That would in my view be a little too late, it already seems difficult to activate/unite the residents of Marple to take action. Already groups have formed with different opinions on this website as to which is the best course of action if we are to believe these rumours are FACTual.Quoteshop locally
People will be shopping locally at Tesco (keep up man)Quotehave a late Thursday where all the shops open til 9
Not much use is Tesco decide to open 24hr which many do.
Admin would do you want me to see if we could book a room at the Library OR do you want to do this.
ADMIN May I suggest that if another meeting is held it is advertised on this site so that anyone wishing to attend is able to do so.
I understand that the Hibbert Lane site needs a lot of money spending on it in order to bring it up to current standards. This I can fully understand after having been in there a few years back. It makes good sense to to dispose of the old building and create a new, state of the art, learning centre that would be more conducive to education.
The college have done quite a good job of keeping a lid on it so far but the issue has been festering away and the time now seems right to prick it.
Having had a break from the forum for a while, I was interested to drop in (well it's too wet to walk the dog!), and read this lively thread. Most points of view seem to be well represented, although I do strongly agree with Harry, who seems to be a bit of a lone voice:I understand that the Hibbert Lane site needs a lot of money spending on it in order to bring it up to current standards. This I can fully understand after having been in there a few years back. It makes good sense to to dispose of the old building and create a new, state of the art, learning centre that would be more conducive to education.
Both of the college buildings, inherited from Marple Ridge School, are leftovers from the worst period of school building, in the mid-twentieth century. The College has done its best with its limited means to improve them, but honestly the best thing they could do is just to knock them both down and build a really good, up-to-date, energy-efficient purpose-built college which we could all be proud of and which our kids would queue up to attend, instead of getting on the bus to Aquinas.
Unfortunately, we live in straightened times, just in case anyone hasn't noticed, and I doubt whether there are any significant capital funds available from the Skills Funding Agency at the moment. (Aquinas got under the wire in the nick of time, just before the demise of the late and unlamented Learning and Skills Council). So selling off the Hibbert Lane site for 12 million would probably do the job.
One final and unrelated point, for Miss Marple: there is no need to panic about this: the wheels of the planning process, and of college governance, grind exceedingly slowly. The Business Forum will no doubt consider the matter in September and there is no reason to rush that through in August. Better to have all members present and come to a proper and considered consensus.
Dear Cheadle and Marple Sixth Form College,
I believe there are restrictive covenants relating to college campus land, in both Marple and Cheadle.
Can you provide me with the following information under the Freedom of Information Act?
1. When were these covenants applied to the college campus land?
2. Who applied them to the college campus land?
3. What is specified within these covenants and why?
4. How would these convenants impact any sale or change of use of the land?
Yours faithfully,
Neil Corrie
Each time I visit this topic I see at least 6 or 7 guests viewing the Tosca topic. Can I ask if you would register on the forum and enter in to the debate if Tosca coming to Marple will effect you or if you have tried to stop Tosca moving into your area and failed or succeeded. Your views, help, advice, guidance support (for or against ) would be very welcome. So please become part of the debate ??? We need you !!If the coop were to build a larger supermarket on that site would one or two of you still want to object
I'm not sure where you get £12m from, without planning permission, the site is only worth the value of the buildings that stands on the site.The £12m is from post no 80. I don't know how realistic it is, and obviously such a valuation would depend on planning consent for a supermarket.
The worry is that as a college, the council get's nothing.I believe colleges pay business rates.
Miss Marple, you seem to assume that the MBF is against the prospect of a new Tesco, but surely there are some members within that grouping who support the idea.I am sure that you are right, some members of the MBF may support this, I have no idea who are for and who are against. Marple in Action is for residents who will be directly effected by developments on the site ie traffic, noise and light pollution and damage to the environment It would be my view that if you are passionate about a supermarket giant moving in to Marple,is to start your own group in favour of them moving into the area. I am no fool and I am fully aware that some people who do not live near the site would be in favour, but that's not what his group is about . So good luck if you are considering starting your in favour group
I fully support the idea of a new supermarket. Jobs will be created, and more people will come to Marple.
Yes ! Even if they offered me twice the divvy ! It's about change in the infer structure , additional traffic, loss of small shops, where else could I get a wimberry tart from if Archers were forced to close. I'm a veggie but Marple without Littlewoods ! UNTHINKABLE :o. If you want it in the Bridge it's yours ! Hey the slogan maybe. TAKE IT TO THE BRIDGE ;)Each time I visit this topic I see at least 6 or 7 guests viewing the Tosca topic. Can I ask if you would register on the forum and enter in to the debate if Tosca coming to Marple will effect you or if you have tried to stop Tosca moving into your area and failed or succeeded. Your views, help, advice, guidance support (for or against ) would be very welcome. So please become part of the debate ??? We need you !!If the coop were to build a larger supermarket on that site would one or two of you still want to object
There is already a supermarket giant in Marple. Its called the Co-op. They probably sell more meat than the two local butchers and more veg than the local greengrocers.The coop was in Marple even before my favourite shops ! Now if you think the coop is a supermarket giant Harry ! In the words of the great song ! " You Ain't Seen Nothing yet b b b BABY " ;D
Miss Marple, you seem to assume that the MBF is against the prospect of a new Tesco, but surely there are some members within that grouping who support the idea.Theres a tesco in Glossop and a coop. the shops on the high street dont seem to be closing there three supermarkets in the grove asda sainsburys marks sparks not a ghost town for shops there .miss marple would apear to be against change in marple we had [ seventeen windows still waiting for reply back from i think mr stunnel on this ] Dan bank fantastic improve ment and now tesco . . o yes the wall on strines that was built and just finished a few months ago .i think miss marple had a go at that to .
I fully support the idea of a new supermarket. Jobs will be created, and more people will come to Marple.
STRATEGIC PROPERTY DEVELOPMENTS
ESTATES STRATEGY
A meeting of Finance & General Committee was convened to run concurrently with that of Estates Committee whilst the Estates Strategy was presented, see highlights below.
Stephen Coulthard (Project Manager Turner & Townsend Consultants), Peter Scarborough (Bond Bryant Architects) and Mark Krassowski (Walsingham Planning) joined the meeting and delivered a presentation on the Estates Strategy (copy of Estates Strategy Final Presentation circulated for information – confidential on grounds of commercial sensitivity).
Governors had already received a pack containing the full Property Strategy from Turner and Townsend and a Report from Walsingham Planning (both deemed confidential on grounds of commercial sensitivity). SCD took Governors through the presentation, initially covering the funding led approach and the space needs for each campus. PSH and MKI contributed in their particular areas. The Cheadle campus was approximately the right size, but the Marple campus was oversized for the curriculum delivered. In terms of the suitability and condition of the existing accommodation, the 2000 build at Cheadle was best, followed by Buxton Lane, then the remainder of the Cheadle campus, with the worst being Hibbert Lane.
14 STRATEGIC PROPERTY DEVELOPMENTS
CCY reported that a meeting was planned in the near future with the Chief Executive of the Local Authority. This would lead to a greater crystalisation of the options. Principalship confirmed that following this it would be in a position to deliver a firm presentation with a clear and financially sustainable option for progress to the upcoming strategic planning meeting with Governors and senior managers. The Acting Chair reminded the Principalship of the importance to the Governors of seeing a way forward that was realistic and affordable
Miss Marple, you seem to assume that the MBF is against the prospect of a new Tesco, but surely there are some members within that grouping who support the idea.Theres a tesco in Glossop and a coop. the shops on the high street dont seem to be closing there three supermarkets in the grove asda sainsburys marks sparks not a ghost town for shops there .miss marple would apear to be against change in marple we had [ seventeen windows still waiting for reply back from i think mr stunnel on this ] Dan bank fantastic improve ment and now tesco . . o yes the wall on strines that was built and just finished a few months ago .i think miss marple had a go at that to .
I fully support the idea of a new supermarket. Jobs will be created, and more people will come to Marple.
Further to my last post, the college advises me that the Estates Committe no longer meets. Such activities now fall under the remit of the Finance + General Committee. Which is published (http://www.camsfc.ac.uk/cmsfc-about.asp?AboID=47), the brief section on property development is pasted below.Quote14 STRATEGIC PROPERTY DEVELOPMENTS
CCY reported that a meeting was planned in the near future with the Chief Executive of the Local Authority. This would lead to a greater crystalisation of the options. Principalship confirmed that following this it would be in a position to deliver a firm presentation with a clear and financially sustainable option for progress to the upcoming strategic planning meeting with Governors and senior managers. The Acting Chair reminded the Principalship of the importance to the Governors of seeing a way forward that was realistic and affordable
Theres a tesco in Glossop and a coop. the shops on the high street dont seem to be closing
Amazon wrote:QuoteTheres a tesco in Glossop and a coop. the shops on the high street dont seem to be closing
That may be the case in Glossop which has a strong set of well known and independent shops. People travel for miles for instance to use Mettricks the Butchers. Alternatively you could point to Whaley Bridge and the Tesco effect there. It is also possible that the Whaley bridge Tesco has impacted on New Mills which will shortly have tumbleweeds blowing down the road!! The number of shop closures in New Mills is gathering pace and I for one cannot see a way back for it.
Awh Amazon ! That's nasty ! If your going to call me get it right ! You forgot Seventeen Windows ;)I Have voted against it on your poll ;)
. It's not my poll ! But cheers Amazon ! :-*Awh Amazon ! That's nasty ! If your going to call me get it right ! You forgot Seventeen Window's ;)I Have voted against it on your poll ;)
Waitrose did not bid high enough.
Waitrose did not bid high enough.
Phew, that's a relief. If Mrs Dave was let loose in Waitrose we'd soon be in financial meltdown! ;D
Dave, I think you are only reading the part of my post about Glossop and New Mills that you feel supports a positive contribution by the potential arrival of Tesco in Marple. This was not my intention and I think it is rare that any local shops benefit from their arrival. I would not want to see Tesco in Marple as I firmly believe that a Tesco would mean the closure of more locla shops.Mulligans has a for sale sign up and that just for starters !
Amazon wrote:QuoteTheres a tesco in Glossop and a coop. the shops on the high street dont seem to be closing
That may be the case in Glossop which has a strong set of well known and independent shops. People travel for miles for instance to use Mettricks the Butchers. Alternatively you could point to Whaley Bridge and the Tesco effect there. It is also possible that the Whaley bridge Tesco has impacted on New Mills which will shortly have tumbleweeds blowing down the road!! The number of shop closures in New Mills is gathering pace and I for one cannot see a way back for it.
A very good point, and a reminder of the subtle and unpredictable nature of the supermarket effect. It is assumed by many on this thread that a big supermarket can only have a detrimental effect on local businesses. It would certainly have an effect, but the effect in some cases may be positive. The Hibbert Lane site of camsfc is a very short walk from Market Street - closer, for example, than the Whaley Bridge Tesco is to the local shops there. I can see people driving to a big supermarket in Hibbert Lane, parking for free, hitting the supermarket and then walking down to visit specific local shops and/or cafes.
It's the Co-op that needs to worry about this, of course.
Dave, I think you are only reading the part of my post about Glossop and New Mills that you feel supports a positive contribution by the potential arrival of Tesco in Marple. This was not my intention and I think it is rare that any local shops benefit from their arrival. I would not want to see Tesco in Marple as I firmly believe that a Tesco would mean the closure of more locla shops.Mulligans has a for sale sign up and that just for starters !
You clearly don't spend as much time as I do in Glossop. There are empty shops and others which are not doing very well at all and are on the verge of going out of business.Theres a tesco in Glossop and a coop. the shops on the high street dont seem to be closing
Dear Stockport Borough Council,
It is now public knowledge that the local college (Cheadle + Marple
Sixth Form College) intend to sell their existing campus in Marple
to either Tesco or Sainsburys.
Further to my earlier request (ref 4521) could you please furnish
me with minutes of the meeting recently held between the council's
Chief Executive and representatives of Cheadle+Marple Sixth Form
College).
Yours faithfully,
Neil Corrie
Any person or company providing general ophthalmic services or pharmaceutical services under the National Health Service Act 2006 or the National Health Service (Wales) Act 2006, is subject to the Freedom of Information Act 2000 respect of information relating to the provision of those services.
It's a strange old world isn't it because Mr Hubert ( Finance ) Ridge College assured me today that they had not as yet had talks with the LA CE :-\Not quite sure then why when the staff at the college were told of the plans they were asked to keep quiet about it until after the local council elections.
It's a strange old world isn't it because Mr Hubert ( Finance ) Ridge College assured me today that they had not as yet had talks with the LA CE :-\
Yes that's right Mable that's where I got the information from, but sadly it was given to me after the local electionsIt's a strange old world isn't it because Mr Hubert ( Finance ) Ridge College assured me today that they had not as yet had talks with the LA CE :-\Not quite sure then why when the staff at the college were told of the plans they were asked to keep quiet about it until after the local council elections.
The disposal of council land must be subject to council control,
Is Marple College a member of the Business Forum ? A little birdie just told me it is ???
Every councillor gave me assurances that the land could only be used for housing :-\. You couldn't make it up could you.
Every councillor gave me assurances that the land could only be used for housing :-\. You couldn't make it up could you.
There may be nothing wrong with what the councillors said. I believe the whole area around Hibbert Lane is zoned for housing in the SMBC Structure Plan, or whatever it's called. But that doesn't prevent someone applying for planning consent for retail use. Whether the application is likely to succeed is another matter, of course........
On another question, I have had a look at the Business Forum website, and camsfc does not appear to be listed as a member, surprisingly.
I am aware of that Dave ! I would just like someone from the Business forum to tell me if the college is a member or not
Is Marple College a member of the Business Forum ? A little birdie just told me it is ???
I am aware of that Dave ! I would just like someone from the Business forum to confirm that the college is not a member of the Business Forum
We are making enquiries to confirm this new piece of information.
I'll let you know any decision on our agenda as it is made.
I have searched all the records I received when I took over my current role and there is no record of the college at all (in either current or lapsed members lists).
The records I have date back to 2006.
We are making enquiries to confirm this new piece of information.
I'll let you know any decision on our agenda as it is made.
FYI - the MBF have bought forward their meeting on this issue to Wednesday 3rd August.
Hi Duke Fame say what you like I can take it, but just don't call me PETER :D.
If the land was sold for housing it would raise about £4M, if sold for retail development around £12M would be generated.....retail land is worth more than housing land.
Hi, I've been following the Tesco stuff and finally decided to aded a few comments of my own ...
I thought we lived in a democracy, so how come a small group of people (ie the College Governors) can irrevocably change the face of Marple without any public consultation whatsoever. The bids for the sale of the Hibbert Lane campus are all from large supermarkets (Tesco, Sainsbury’s Waitrose), not one from a housing developer. This part of Marple is not zoned for retail use by the Council, but there are Councillors who are Governors, how did this happen?
Re Victor's point about the college's 'moral obligation to the community', far from not caring about the community that supports it, the college governors seem to me to be doing their best for us, in seeking to provide a decent learning environment for the next generation.
Hi Dave, and thanks for the Welcome.
Re your comments about land values - I'm only saying what I found from High Peak, that land values there for housing use (with pp) are twice as much as retail use - and commenting that this was interesting.
We know from previous posts in this long thread that camsfc commissioned a property strategy from Turner and Townsend, who are a very large, reputable multi-national property consultancy. That document will have been drawn up over many months, and will undoubtedly have included a comparative assessment of a number of options. The one now being pursued by the college will not have been arrived at without due consideration. In particular, T&T will have done detailed work on comparative land valuations, assuming various types of planning consent.
Thank you Catwoman for a well thought out and reasoned posting - gives us all plenty of room for thought without the hysterics!Well said Barbara !
Dear Tesco Stores Limited,
Please could you furnish me with details of correspondence between
Tesco, Turner and Townsend, Walsingham Planning, Cheadle & Marple
Sixth Form College and the council (officers and elected officials)
and within the council with regard to plans for a supermarket on
the existing college site in Marple?
Furthermore, in light of the designation (by the local council) of
the college side as residential use only, what reassurances have
Tesco had concerning the use of the college campus land for
commercial use ?
Yours faithfully,
Neil Corrie
Rather suprised that Tesco would bid for a piece of land that's only designated for residential use, so have submitted
I am slightly puzzled as to why the college are needing to expand now.
As Dave pointed out, the government were throwing money at new school buildings and refurbs. It's surprising therefore that the college didn't put in an application back then.
A business I am involved in was supplying kit to rebuilds and many of these rebuilt schools (according to our engineers) were replacing perfectly modern buildings.
Have you got a better idea Duke Fame ? You know ! Every little helps !
I am slightly puzzled as to why the college are needing to expand now.
As I understand, it's not about growth, it's about replacing outdated, poor-quality and unsuitable buildings.As Dave pointed out, the government were throwing money at new school buildings and refurbs. It's surprising therefore that the college didn't put in an application back then.
I think that refers to the last government's PFI scheme, known as Building Schools for the Future (BSF). However, that was for schools. Camsfc is a sixth-form college, which would not have been eligible for any funds from BSF.A business I am involved in was supplying kit to rebuilds and many of these rebuilt schools (according to our engineers) were replacing perfectly modern buildings.
Mmmm...... Apparently Marple Hall School's buildings were deemed to be not grotty enough to qualify for BSF, so there must be some pretty grotty premises around!
Mmmm...... Apparently Marple Hall School's buildings were deemed to be not grotty enough to qualify for BSF, so there must be some pretty grotty premises around!
Gordon Brown managed to waste it all when he was the only chancellor in history who successfully managed to spend his way out of a boom.
Aquinas used Building Schools for the Future monies
Aquinas used Building Schools for the Future monies
No it didn't - it came from the Learning and Skills Council, now defunct - just like BSF! I believe the previous government had planned to open up BSF to sixth form colleges, but they were overtaken by events in May last year!
. No couldnt have been that ! I shop local ! Don't you :-\Have you got a better idea Duke Fame ? You know ! Every little helps !
Just saying that the FOI isn't for requests to private businesses, it's for local authorities etc.
I was wrong as it happens, there was a reply. Tesco said 'Thank you for using Tesco delivery service, you can amend your order online'
I have put a link to this website and a brief statement regarding the possible future plans of the college. I have over 2,500 friends on there and I'm hoping it will help get more support and get the word out to Marple residents that might not know about it.That's fantastic stuff! That technology wouldn't work for me as I only have 4 friends on face book ;). Well done for doing this the more people that know about this the better WHAT A TEAM ! :D
. No couldnt have been that ! I shop local ! Don't you :-\Have you got a better idea Duke Fame ? You know ! Every little helps !
Just saying that the FOI isn't for requests to private businesses, it's for local authorities etc.
I was wrong as it happens, there was a reply. Tesco said 'Thank you for using Tesco delivery service, you can amend your order online'
Just saying that the FOI isn't for requests to private businesses, it's for local authorities etc.
If you follow the FOI request, TEsco have actually replied!
Thank you for contacting Tesco Grocery Home Shopping.
Please be assured that one of our team will be in touch with you shortly. However, the answer to some of the most common questions we receive can also be found on our website e.g. Payment issues, cancel or amend orders, manage your account and much more. So please feel free to visit the Help pages at:
www.tesco.com/groceries/<http://www.tesco.com/groceries/help/?rel...>
In the meantime, thank you for your ongoing patience.
Kind regards
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Passionate about it ... you carry on .... but to be a good campaigner, you must not alienate people who initially may support you , but then back out because they cant stand the aggro it creates, this is a community where everyones opinions matter, to get people on side, you need to be very open minded .
Because you care .... believe me, I care, I care about my children, where they live, their community ( I do enough in it off my own back believe me , but thats another story ) , but I also am not blinkered that this is a modern world we are living in, and for their future, sometimes, just sometimes, we have to accept change .... most people dont work nine to five anymore, I work day times, but also evening times .... its rare im even able to shop nine to five .... sad but true ! I wouldnt want the demise of local shops anymore than you would , so dont imply that others dont care because they may support, sit on the fence or whatever when it comes to something that you feel passionate about, because quite simply YOU are not being fair .
I'll leave you to it Miss Marple , Good luck :)
Tina I totally agree with you and believe me I am fully aware that the coop has a monopoly in Marple I can honestly say that I am not against anyone for what views they hold. One of the things that should happen is that the coop should allow Hanburys to be sold to another retailer so that there is competition for the coop I think that it's just the way I come across on the forum that gets peoples backs up and that's strange because it's a funny old world but I think you do know me because I think I know you . Well Memo to self ! Think before you post ! ;)
I know I'm not alone having home deliveries as there is always tesco, asda, and sainsbuy van's driving around Marple at different times everyday. So you all dont shop local for your main shop and the shops in Marple have not closed down beacause of it.
Just finished a Lengthy conversation with Mr Hubert ( college ) who informed me that they will be speaking to the press middle of next week when the Principal returns from Annual leave to give a press release on the developments
Quote from: Duke FameJust saying that the FOI isn't for requests to private businesses, it's for local authorities etc.Quote from: Duke FameIf you follow the FOI request, TEsco have actually replied!
Thank you for contacting Tesco Grocery Home Shopping.
Please be assured that one of our team will be in touch with you shortly. However, the answer to some of the most common questions we receive can also be found on our website e.g. Payment issues, cancel or amend orders, manage your account and much more. So please feel free to visit the Help pages at:
www.tesco.com/groceries/<http://www.tesco.com/groceries/help/?rel...>
In the meantime, thank you for your ongoing patience.
Kind regards
Hi Duke,
It's the equivalent of an "out of office" reply. It's the stock response automatically initially returned by Tesco via that site. If you look a bit further you'll see that Tesco are obliged to respond, see http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/tesco (http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/tesco) : "Any person or company providing general ophthalmic services or pharmaceutical services under the National Health Service Act 2006 or the National Health Service (Wales) Act 2006, is subject to the Freedom of Information Act 2000 respect of information relating to the provision of those services.".
And if you take a look further, you'll see they have responded to some other FOI requests (same URL), particularly the ones where people have been concerned about Crucible (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2005/sep/20/freedomofinformation.supermarkets) and its privacy implications.
Hope this helps clear up the confusion.
This is a very good point Tina. Reading the posts of the people supporting a new supermarket it seems that a large proportion do so because of a big dissatisfaction with the Co-Op and I must admit that I understand that.I think there is a danger of 2nd guessing the co-op’s intentions. I can’t see the shop being an attractive proposition to any business really. Yes it’s the right size to be a Tesco metro but without parking & with a big store on it’s doorstep, it makes little sense. It’s also too big for taking an advantage on Sunday opening (although the floor space could be re-designed to be smaller). I can see it being a big co-op pharmacy or even FuneralCare.
The Co-Op have not done themselves any favours in the eyes of the community with their policy of holding on to the former Hanbury’s building and deliberately keeping it closed so that no competitor can move in. And now that they also own the Texaco supermarket they have a monopoly in Marple. After prolonged protests and lobbying by the council and the community several years ago they made a show of using the Hanbury’s building as an electrical store for a while but it always seemed to be a bit of a half-hearted attempt to me.
I’ve been told that the Co-Op have recently renewed the lease on the Hanbury’s building for another 5 years and, surprise, surprise, soon after they closed it again. So it would appear that the electrical shop was simply a cynical exercise to pacify the protests until they could renew the lease and continue their supermarket monopoly unhindered.
A new supermarket chain wishing to move onto the college site will use the lack of competition in the area as a justification for their plans. If there was a competing store in the Hanburys location, which is inside the district centre, it would probably be of overall benefit to local shops and local people. Perhaps the Co-Op needs to take a long hard look at its strategy before it is swallowed whole?
Should traffic from High Lane, Hazel Grove, and particularly Romiley, Woodley, and Bredbury start coming to Marple to shop the effect on traffic in Marple would be absolutely monumental.....makes little sense to me. Why would anyone from Hazel Grove or the Bredbury/Woodley area, with big supermarkets on their doorstep, come out to Marple to do their shopping?
I think Marple Syrup makes some valid points, but this one:Should traffic from High Lane, Hazel Grove, and particularly Romiley, Woodley, and Bredbury start coming to Marple to shop the effect on traffic in Marple would be absolutely monumental.....makes little sense to me. Why would anyone from Hazel Grove or the Bredbury/Woodley area, with big supermarkets on their doorstep, come out to Marple to do their shopping?
And as for the notion that the population of Marple is too small to support a major supermarket, I can't agree. If Whaley Bridge (pop c. 6,000) can have its own supermarket, surely Marple (pop c.23,000) can!
I think Marple Syrup makes some valid points, but this one:Should traffic from High Lane, Hazel Grove, and particularly Romiley, Woodley, and Bredbury start coming to Marple to shop the effect on traffic in Marple would be absolutely monumental.....makes little sense to me. Why would anyone from Hazel Grove or the Bredbury/Woodley area, with big supermarkets on their doorstep, come out to Marple to do their shopping?
And as for the notion that the population of Marple is too small to support a major supermarket, I can't agree. If Whaley Bridge (pop c. 6,000) can have its own supermarket, surely Marple (pop c.23,000) can!
Dave, we are talking about a major supermarket here. Traffic from the fringes of Hazel Grove, definitely High Lane, Disley, Marple Bridge and the edges of Woodley would most definitely come into Marple to use a major Tesco Extra. Tesco is the number one Uk supermarket for a reason, and if they didn't intend to compete with the likes of Bredbury Morrisons they wouldn't be looking at the site. You can pick holes in the peripheral geographical areas I quoted all you like, but take the point.
Whaley Bridge draws on an extended population from the surrounding areas clearly. I'm not saying that Marple isn't big enough to support a supermarket at all. But if you think Tesco only intend to draw on that 23k population I'd be surprised. And if your prediction on traffic improving as a result of a massive Tesco turns out to be true, I don't think 'surprise' would quite cover it!
Hanburys used to be a handy little supermarket and was well used. The Co-op probably put their rent up to get rid of them!
I don't know how the co-op can justify selling things that are sometimes 40p, 50p dearer than other supermarkets. You can get 4 pints of milk from Iceland for £1, co-op sell it for £1.59 and just now the co-op have a punnet of strawberries half price at £2, the usual price of £4 is just ridiculous. The co-op also had a big box of laundry powder that was supposedly reduced from £10 to £5 which I bought, I go down that aisle today and guess what, they are selling it for £5, so was never actually reduced at all. I am also tired of always seeing the same things on BOGOF. Plus, everyday items in their now petrol station are 40p, 50p dearer than the co-op! Lets hope that the co-op take it seriously and reduce their prices.
If Tescos does arrive in Marple and offering food at realistic and common sense prices, then co-op will become a ghost town and instead of customer there will only be tumble weed moving down the aisles.
Marple in Action are in have started an organised campaign please send me a personal email and I will inform you of details of the next meeting
I think Marple Syrup makes some valid points, but this one:Should traffic from High Lane, Hazel Grove, and particularly Romiley, Woodley, and Bredbury start coming to Marple to shop the effect on traffic in Marple would be absolutely monumental.....makes little sense to me. Why would anyone from Hazel Grove or the Bredbury/Woodley area, with big supermarkets on their doorstep, come out to Marple to do their shopping?
And as for the notion that the population of Marple is too small to support a major supermarket, I can't agree. If Whaley Bridge (pop c. 6,000) can have its own supermarket, surely Marple (pop c.23,000) can!
Dave, we are talking about a major supermarket here. Traffic from the fringes of Hazel Grove, definitely High Lane, Disley, Marple Bridge and the edges of Woodley would most definitely come into Marple to use a major Tesco Extra. Tesco is the number one Uk supermarket for a reason, and if they didn't intend to compete with the likes of Bredbury Morrisons they wouldn't be looking at the site. You can pick holes in the peripheral geographical areas I quoted all you like, but take the point.
Whaley Bridge draws on an extended population from the surrounding areas clearly. I'm not saying that Marple isn't big enough to support a supermarket at all. But if you think Tesco only intend to draw on that 23k population I'd be surprised. And if your prediction on traffic improving as a result of a massive Tesco turns out to be true, I don't think 'surprise' would quite cover it!
Who said it would be a 'major' supermarket of the size of an 'extra' store? These 'grocers' size their stores based on the available population catchment, which in the case of Marple, given all the other competing stores, is quite fierce. Dave's analysis seems to be based in reality....
Dave, we are talking about a major supermarket here. Traffic from the fringes of Hazel Grove, definitely High Lane, Disley, Marple Bridge and the edges of Woodley would most definitely come into Marple to use a major Tesco Extra. Tesco is the number one Uk supermarket for a reason, and if they didn't intend to compete with the likes of Bredbury Morrisons they wouldn't be looking at the site. You can pick holes in the peripheral geographical areas I quoted all you like, but take the point.
Whaley Bridge draws on an extended population from the surrounding areas clearly. I'm not saying that Marple isn't big enough to support a supermarket at all. But if you think Tesco only intend to draw on that 23k population I'd be surprised. And if your prediction on traffic improving as a result of a massive Tesco turns out to be true, I don't think 'surprise' would quite cover it!
I think Marple Syrup makes some valid points, but this one:Should traffic from High Lane, Hazel Grove, and particularly Romiley, Woodley, and Bredbury start coming to Marple to shop the effect on traffic in Marple would be absolutely monumental.....makes little sense to me. Why would anyone from Hazel Grove or the Bredbury/Woodley area, with big supermarkets on their doorstep, come out to Marple to do their shopping?
And as for the notion that the population of Marple is too small to support a major supermarket, I can't agree. If Whaley Bridge (pop c. 6,000) can have its own supermarket, surely Marple (pop c.23,000) can!
Dave, we are talking about a major supermarket here. Traffic from the fringes of Hazel Grove, definitely High Lane, Disley, Marple Bridge and the edges of Woodley would most definitely come into Marple to use a major Tesco Extra. Tesco is the number one Uk supermarket for a reason, and if they didn't intend to compete with the likes of Bredbury Morrisons they wouldn't be looking at the site. You can pick holes in the peripheral geographical areas I quoted all you like, but take the point.
Whaley Bridge draws on an extended population from the surrounding areas clearly. I'm not saying that Marple isn't big enough to support a supermarket at all. But if you think Tesco only intend to draw on that 23k population I'd be surprised. And if your prediction on traffic improving as a result of a massive Tesco turns out to be true, I don't think 'surprise' would quite cover it!
Who said it would be a 'major' supermarket of the size of an 'extra' store? These 'grocers' size their stores based on the available population catchment, which in the case of Marple, given all the other competing stores, is quite fierce. Dave's analysis seems to be based in reality....
If I have been ignorant, please forgive me. I made an assumption on the basis that they are looking at paying £12m for a very large site. Am not sure what Dave is basing his analysis on, but my theory, that IF it is a large store then traffic would be vey badly affected, is based in reality.
I'd suggest that if it was a relatively small to moderately sized store, there would be much less opposition and also perhaps a different site considered than a geographically large site requiring extensive demolition and rebuilding, running costs into tens of millions.
Again, it feels like you're nitpicking at minor points (woe betide the mention of the word Extra to make you disregard the rest of my post) but in essence... Large-ish supermarket=more traffic. Don't think I can say any more on it.
Hi Belly last nights meeting was very informative, we heard experiences of how really it could be too late once a supermarket say Tesco purchases the site. There were people at the meeting who gave experiences of Tesco just purchasing the land, refused planning, demolishing the buildings and opening the land up as a free car park with just a chain fence round , full of holes and left in a state of disrepair. It was left like that until local residents were begging the LA to have the eyesore developed, then Tesco in this instance gained planning permission a built their store. All I do know is no one can stop Tesco purchasing the Land but what we really need to know is who owns that land, was it a gift to the people, LA or the College. Neil Corrie is attempting to find out this information via FOI and other people at the meeting are possibly at this min trying to find the answerTesco did something similar were I used to live
what we really need to know is who owns that land, was it a gift to the people, LA or the College.
what we really need to know is who owns that land, was it a gift to the people, LA or the College.
The college will be the owner of the land. Sixth form colleges are 'owned' by autonomous corporations, which are completely independent of local authorities, although they usually have one or two local councillors on their boards. You can read the minutes of past corporation meetings on the camsfc website.
Might be worth asking Cllr Bispham, Miss M - in his letter to you of 13 June he wrote 'In addition there is a covenant on part of the site around the gym facilities', so it sounds as though he may know something about it, or at least know where to find out?Since the knowledge of the bids for the college nearly all my emails to councillors are not answered
UPDATED.Might be worth asking Cllr Bispham, Miss M - in his letter to you of 13 June he wrote 'In addition there is a covenant on part of the site around the gym facilities', so it sounds as though he may know something about it, or at least know where to find out?Since the knowledge of the bids for the college nearly all my emails to councillors are not answered
Marple in Action has delivered over 2,500 leaflets informing everyone as much as they can about tomorrow nights council meeting.
I was near Hibbert Lane roundabout the other day and this absolutely massive articulated truck came up Hibbert Lane and did a full turn on the roundabout to go back down Hibbert Lane. Everybody around stopped in their tracks because the sight was so astonishing. I have never seen a truck so big in Marple, I think it was something to do with Travis Perkins.Just shows a tesco lorry would do it easy .
I was near Hibbert Lane roundabout the other day and this absolutely massive articulated truck came up Hibbert Lane and did a full turn on the roundabout to go back down Hibbert Lane. Everybody around stopped in their tracks because the sight was so astonishing. I have never seen a truck so big in Marple, I think it was something to do with Travis Perkins.Just shows a tesco lorry would do it easy .
Marple in Action has delivered over 2,500 leaflets informing everyone as much as they can about tomorrow nights council meeting.
For those who have not seen the leaflet yet, is it worth posting a copy of it (or link to picture of it) here and via the "just the facts" thread ? And have you a few copies for the speakers and audience tomorrow ?
Hopefully I've attached a pdf of the leaflet!
It is true that the College intend to sell the Hibbert Lane Campus and as an independent commercial organisation they are free to do whatever they believe is in the College’s best interest and the Council has no jurisdiction in that respect. As I understand it they have been in talks with various supermarkets and developers, but nothing has been agreed at this stage. As far as planning permission goes, the Council Planning department is clear that the land in question is designated as housing. No retail development would be given consent outside the District Centre. The Hibbert Lane campus falls outside the District Centre and therefore any a planning application to develop a retail site is likely to be refused..
..... This will involve demolishing the swimming baths (over my dead body) and the newsagents. As a sweetener to the out cry that will start once it is out there are plans to build a swimming complex on the Woodville site or in that vicinity. Hope this is just a rumour but there is usually no smoke without fire! My god ! I feel another petition coming on :PHave you looked up in the ladies changing rooms, thick mould growing everywhere! tiles falling off the walls while I'm trying to change my children for lessons. A new pool would be fantastic but not at the expense of a tesco!!!!
I think that anyone who opposes the building of a new supermarket in Marple but drives to a supermarket outside Marple to do their "big shop" is on shaky ground here.
Why does everyone assume that the small shops in the centre of Marple will suffer if or when a new supermarket comes? Does everyone do their supermarket shopping for heavy groceries and their visits to the hardware shop at the same time? I (and I suspect many working people with a family) would continue to do a large supermarket shop on one evening and a visit to the local shops on a different day. Do people go to a supermarket to buy nails, screws, wood or paint ... or do they go to Hollins? I think that the local shops would actually benefit from having less vehicular traffic in the centre of Marple. I would shop at a new supermarket but use the other non-grocery shops at least as much as before.
The only business to suffer would be the Co-op and, to be honest, their "ethical" credentials have gone out of the window by refusing to let any competing supermarket take over the Hanbury's store, whilst their retailing credentials have been lost by their pricing and their complete inability to keep their shelves stacked.
As for the College, they have to expand because the government has decreed that all young people now have to stay in education until age 18. They also have to replace some dated buildings with very little available cash. Are we going to oppose a good sixth-form education for our children?
We could oppose a new supermarket on the grounds of some nostalgic attachment to "small shops" or we could move forward, making sure that the benefits (to the environment, education, well-being of local citizens) are greater than the losses. Better to be part of the design and planning of a new development than just to oppose it "on principle".
Go and see the excellent Cheadle campus of camsfc - it's an eye-opener, and will make you realise how much Marple young people are being educated as second-class citizens.
Like the Marple campuses (campi?), the Cheadle campus of camsfc was originally housed in former school buildings. In the 1990s, one of them was found to be structurally unsafe, due to decaying reinforced concrete. It was therefore demolished, and replaced with a nice new building which opened about ten years ago. That's all. No hidden agendas, mismanagement or conspiracies - boring isn't it ;)
The wider Marple community might now have to pay for the mismanagement by the Governing Body, they appear to have taken their eyes off Marple and concentrated too much on Cheadle. Anyone know where the Governors come from, I know the Principal lives in Stoke.
What about the employment that would be created,we already have the CO-OP and that hasnt taken away all the local buisiness
The weak point is the college. They thought that we wouldnt bat an eyelid at what they propose to do. It is them who hold the cards at this time. There is still time to persuade the board of governors to "do the right thing" and opt for a different sales ethic.
What about the employment that would be created,we already have the CO-OP and that hasn't taken away all the local business,also if the funding is not found to develop the college then the further education of a future generation will suffer.There are alot of valued points against a supermarket taking over the site but if they did there would be certain alterations to the road that would need to be considered,these could be funded by the developer,such as the erection of crossing barriers.I don't think this should be dismissed. ;D
i for one origanally voted for a supermarket, but after reading all the info thats been provided have changed my mind totally.my gran used to live in the bungerlows 15 years back .the disruption to the people near the site would be unberable. we are not bredbury, we are not romiley, we are not hazel grove we are marple,lets keep it that way!
As for the constant sniping at local councillors ... perhaps you should stand for election in their place. Then you can have your home address publicised everywhere, be constantly heckled from one side or another and generally insulted about issues that are not under their control. I may not agree with their politics or everything they do, but I have great respect for those who genuinely attempt to serve in public office.
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1. From a selfish point of view, I live off Buxton Lane opposite the College, one thing that as not been
detailed is what the proposed new extension of the college would consist of! Surely there are restrictions
on what can be built on the existing land at the Buxton Lane campus ?
The thought of the increased student population and associated cars etc would be a nightmare. Have
you ever see what it's like on a open evening? You struggle to park outside your own property.
Can someone explain the actual status of the college. It has been referred to as a commercial organisation and even a corporation. Who is it accountable to? Who funds it?
Residents are opposing plans to sell off a plot of college land in Marple – fearing it might be used for a supermarket.
Cheadle & Marple Sixth Form College says its Hibbert Lane campus is ‘no longer viable’ following cuts in government funding.
The college says it is considering ‘a number of options’, but neighbours say they believe that may include talks with one or more large supermarket.
Resident Lucille Bartlett said: "We do not want this. We do not need this. We have giant supermarkets in surrounding neighbourhoods as Hazel Grove and Bredbury."
Councillor Craig Wright said: "If it is sold to a supermarket it will be an absolute scandal. That land was given to the college to provide further education."
Residents are setting up a group, called Marple in Action, to bring people and businesses together to oppose any supermarket plan.
Many residents also plan to attend tonight’s meeting of the Marple area committee, which takes place at Marple Library at 6pm, to ask questions about the plans.
Paul Lawrence, director of place development at the council, said they are aware that discussions are taking place in respect about the site.
But as the land is owned by the college, the council does not have any jurisdiction over who it is sold to – although it will have to give planning permission for any development.
The college had been expecting funding for a new building on the Hibbert Lane site, but that was withdrawn last year.
A spokeswoman for the college said: "There are a number of options that are being considered in line with the need to provide a facility which will also become the focal point of the college’s community.
"We would like to stress that no contracts have been signed and that any decision is subject to planning."
As for the constant sniping at local councillors ... perhaps you should stand for election in their place. Then you can have your home address publicised everywhere, be constantly heckled from one side or another and generally insulted about issues that are not under their control. I may not agree with their politics or everything they do, but I have great respect for those who genuinely attempt to serve in public office.
Agreed about accusing the councillors of lying is wrong, but from my experience of the Marple primary school merger the councillors are very selective of what information they impart to the people who have elected them to their position.As for the constant sniping at local councillors ... perhaps you should stand for election in their place. Then you can have your home address publicised everywhere, be constantly heckled from one side or another and generally insulted about issues that are not under their control. I may not agree with their politics or everything they do, but I have great respect for those who genuinely attempt to serve in public office.
Very well said, hollins. I realise that some people have very strong feelings on this issue, but I find it quite sad that some people resort to accusing councillors of 'lying'. :(
QuoteCouncillor Craig Wright said: "If it is sold to a supermarket it will be an absolute scandal. That land was given to the college to provide further education."
Glad that at least one of our Councillors is speaking up for us, and not sitting on the fence !!
This post contained copies of two emails sent by Christina Cassidy to her staff earlier this year on April 7 and then on May 9.
I received a request to remove them from Andrew Hubert of Cheadle and Marple College at 1.20pm today (28 July 2011). Andrew provided a copy of the CAMSFC Disclaimer that the he says accompanied the original emails when they were sent out to college staff, which I have pasted below:
CAMSFC DISCLAIMER: This e-mail message and any attachments may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information and is intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is intended to be addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the College. If you have received this message in error, or you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying or disclose of its contents to any other person is strictly prohibited, please notify the sender immediately, by responding to this message and then deleting it from your system. The College nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan this email.
I have sought advice regarding the legal position on this and have been advised to comply with the college's request. Admin.
As for the constant sniping at local councillors ... perhaps you should stand for election in their place. Then you can have your home address publicised everywhere, be constantly heckled from one side or another and generally insulted about issues that are not under their control. I may not agree with their politics or everything they do, but I have great respect for those who genuinely attempt to serve in public office.
Very well said, hollins. I realise that some people have very strong feelings on this issue, but I find it quite sad that some people resort to accusing councillors of 'lying'. :(
It seems to me that the College Governors ... Does anyone know who they are and how they can be reached?
Hi acoustic man,
I live on Hawk Green, just around the corner from Hibbert Lane. We have bats and a hawk and badgers! Any use?
lAST NIGHTS MEETING IS ON UTUBE. Oh my god ! I wish someone had let me know they were filming I would have had a shampoo and set :D
lAST NIGHTS MEETING IS ON UTUBE. Oh my god ! I wish someone had let me know they were filming I would have had a shampoo and set :D
Links ! (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=youtube#q=marple+tesco+site:youtube.com&hl=en&sa=X&tbo=u&prmdo=1&tbs=qdr:d&prmd=ivns&source=univ&tbm=vid&ei=-VQxTt7uI4er8AOggd2gDg&ved=0CD8QqwQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=e66c6e0adf04fb7&biw=846&bih=837)
Oh I don't know how to do that , but I know a man who can. There are five videos on
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What about the employment that would be created,we already have the CO-OP and that hasnt taken away all the local buisiness
This is taken directly from www.tescopoly.org on the "basic facts about supermarkets" page
Supermarkets destroy local jobs. Supermarket claims that new stores bring in jobs fail to consider the wider picture of independent retailer bankruptcies. A 1998 study by the National Retailer Planning Forum (NRPF) examining the employment impacts of 93 superstore openings between 1991 and 1994 found that they resulted in a net loss of more than 25,000 jobs or 276 per store opened. More information on the impact of supermarkets on jobs is available in Chapter 13 of the Competition Commission report on the power of the supermarkets.QuoteThe weak point is the college. They thought that we wouldnt bat an eyelid at what they propose to do. It is them who hold the cards at this time. There is still time to persuade the board of governors to "do the right thing" and opt for a different sales ethic.
A brilliant point and a brilliant post. Imagine if every Governor received 200 or more letters like Mike's!!!
Please, everyone who is against this proposal, GET WRITING!!!
.... I simply cannot think of another supermarket that would be so far moved from a motorway or dual carriageway. Not one. Never mind even a large A road.
.... I simply cannot think of another supermarket that would be so far moved from a motorway or dual carriageway. Not one. Never mind even a large A road.
Without even thinking about it, the following come to mind:
Tesco, Glossop
Morrisons, Bradford
Morrisons, Chesterfield
Asda, Hazel Grove
Sainsburys, Hazel Grove
None of the above are near a motorway or dual carriageway. Some of them are on already overcrowded roads.
I know Dave will try and shoot me down, but I simply cannot think of another supermarket that would be so far moved from a motorway or dual carriageway.
If Cllr McKay has stood down? do we know if the Governing Body is obliged to have a representative Cllr on their board - what is the legal standing on this?
I still struggle to understand how the college GB can have so much weight in an issue as big as this?
I know Dave will try and shoot me down, but I simply cannot think of another supermarket that would be so far moved from a motorway or dual carriageway.
An invitation I can surely not refuse, marple-syrup! For starters, how about the Co-op! Also Asda and Sainsbury's in Hazel Grove,
Unless I'm very much mistaken, Asda and Sainsbury's in Hazel Grove are both directly on a dual carriageway
And the a6 is obviously comparable in your minds to Hibbert Lane, or even to Stockport Road?
And Poynton, Bradford, Cheadle Hulme, even Hazel Grove are SO FAR RREMOVED FROM A MOTORWAY OR DUAL CARRIAGEWAY AS MARPLE? Which was actually my question. And I mentioned the Co-op myself!!
Dave your speciality in particular is picking one word to undermine the essence of the argument. If you seriously believe that the road network in Marple, meaning Hibbert Lane, Stockport Road, Wndlehurst Road, and Church Lane... ie. Every road that could be used to travel to the proposed supermarket... Is similar to the A6 in Hazel Grove, Macclesfield Road through Poynton, or the A57 that passes directly past the Glossop Tescos, you are absolutely deluded man.
Apparently Poynton residents opposed Tesco successfully. Does anyone know anyone there?
They have of course got a Waitrose now, but it would be really interesting to know how they went about it.
And the a6 is obviously comparable in your minds to Hibbert Lane, or even to Stockport Road?
And Poynton, Bradford, Cheadle Hulme, even Hazel Grove are SO FAR RREMOVED FROM A MOTORWAY OR DUAL CARRIAGEWAY AS MARPLE? Which was actually my question. And I mentioned the Co-op myself!!
Dave your speciality in particular is picking one word to undermine the essence of the argument. If you seriously believe that the road network in Marple, meaning Hibbert Lane, Stockport Road, Wndlehurst Road, and Church Lane... ie. Every road that could be used to travel to the proposed supermarket... Is similar to the A6 in Hazel Grove, Macclesfield Road through Poynton, or the A57 that passes directly past the Glossop Tescos, you are absolutely deluded man.
All the stores mentioned are just as far from a motorway or dual carriageway as Marple. In fact they are further away. Marple is only 3 miles from a motorway.
As for the A6 and A57, they are far more congested than the A626 and were before the supermarkets were built. Both are at a crawl at most times of the day. The A626 is only busy at rush hour.
Welcome to the future, Jo! The present government, just like the previous two, is is hell-bent on reducing the powers of local authorities, and one of the ways they have done this is by taking colleges and then, increasingly, schools, away from local authority control. Hence the various forms of non-LA controlled schools that we now have - foundation schools, academies, and (coming soon), 'free schools'. These will all be very much like camsfc - no local accountability, only a freestanding board governors who can do whatever they like.
I don't really see the college's case for new buildings, Oxford & Cambridge are the best in the country and they get by with reet old buildings.
I will deliver in Hawk Green,Let me know when and how to get then.
Now we are being held to ransom by thirteen college governors......They and Principal should resign in shame and a new board of governors should be elected, people who are competent and could help to sort this out.
......affected areas by increased traffic, noise, poloution, crime, light and devaluation of property?
Message for Dave.....
Care to enlighten us as to where you live? if it is in Marple at all? Is it anywhere near the planned supermarket site? Actually I don;t care where you live, I am willing to bet it is not near Hibbert Lane!... It is all very well playing devils advocate and making a good arguement however the more valid arguements are those who are directly affected by this.
Harry,
Another devils advocate.. Not a Hibbert Lane resident either I am guessing?
Yes! Increased crime, it is known that supermarket car parks tend to attract anti social behaviour, car crime, thefts etc.. Even if you want to argue this point, (which I am sure you enjoy doing) that does not detract from from the other issues of noise, traffic & congestion, 24 hour floodlights, and devaluation of property to mention a few.
Like I said before, have some empathy for those who are directly affected by this and STOP NIT PICKING!!!!
Why would anyone think that the residents of Marple should bail out a PRIVATE company For goodness sake they got the land given to them ! We are not speaking about a state run school ! THIS IS A PRIVATE BUISNESS !!!!! Well I know what we should do, all the residents of Marple should have a whip round for all the failed shops in Marple, let's say we start with Grenaby Farm and Mulligans. Shall we pull those two shops down and set those failed Business up in the Trafford Centre in a brand new store. No it's not practical is it ? So how can a private company like the college be allowed to distroy our community to get what they want, because I bet any money the likes of Mulligans and Grenaby didn't expect anything. SO WHAT'S DIFFERENT ! Please enlighten me !
SO WHAT'S DIFFERENT ! Please enlighten me !
Perhaps we should invite the Governors to the next public meeting and ask them to explain their position and how they think this is 'good community relations'.
Message for Dave.....
Care to enlighten us as to where you live? if it is in Marple at all? Is it anywhere near the planned supermarket site? Actually I don;t care where you live, I am willing to bet it is not near Hibbert Lane!... It is all very well playing devils advocate and making a good arguement however the more valid arguements are those who are directly affected by this.
Yes I live in Marple, but not near Hibbert Lane. And I have every sympathy for those who live near the site - in my view that is the one group of people who really do have good reason to oppose this plan, and they have by far the strongest case against it. If I lived there I would probably feel just the same. But as I have said before, I am not convinced by some of the other arguments, such as that the development would have a major adverse effect on local businesses. And I do have a lot of sympathy for the college, which is just doing its best to improve its facilities for the benefit of the community.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019896/Englands-smallest-town-Manningtree-Essex-loses-3-year-battle-Tesco.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019896/Englands-smallest-town-Manningtree-Essex-loses-3-year-battle-Tesco.html
Yes. Timeline showing how that council "rolled over" for Tesco is at http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=3554.msg16183#msg16183 (http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=3554.msg16183#msg16183)
Actually Miss Marple i may well send my son to that college next year because theres not THAT much good choice around! Though I think boycotting organisations to show support for a particular campaign is effective I'm afraid if its going to negatively affect my childrens education and long term plans then I wont so please dont ask me to.Your children will be fine just steer them away from Finance and Buisness studies :o
And Ditto Belly re comments about Dave. We have to cut out the emotion and concentrate on facts.. and BOTH sides of the argument. IF we cant convince them Not to buy it or the college not to sell then it will go to planning and if its refused as implied by the planning officer then the council and i expect a community group as well will be facing the supermarkets expensive top barristers!
- can we obtain details from the college re quotes for the development of Buxton lane?
There are posters that you can now download for you to display in your window or car, that say
SAVE OUR COMMUNITY
NO SUPERMARKET ON HIBBERT LANE
Some posters have been put up tonight on trees , look out as your passing ! Sadly not as many as we would have liked because we were getting stopped often by concerned residents who were worried about the increased traffic a supermarket would bring and the safety of their children with increased traffic. We also spoke to many elderly people who live at the side of the college and across the road who were in fear of the increased crime and noise a supermarket would bring ? SHAME ON YOU MS CASSIDY AND MR HUBERT I HOPE YOU CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT ! OH SILLY ME YOU DON'T LIVE HERE DO YOU !Have you had permission to post on trees .
We also gave a clear message to residents to ask their local councillors what they are doing because if the councillors are not behind this all the way the LIBERALS will be out of Marple and we will have an out of work MP
To put this in perspective the size of the supermarket will be the size of 6 Football pitches and don't let them tell you any different ! TURN THIS VILLAGE RED PLEASE PUT YOUR POSTER UP. BELIEVE ME TESCO WILL BE MONITORING THE COMMUNITIES REACTION !!!
. IS IT YOU THAT HAS TAKEN THEM DOWN? IF IT IS HIBBERT LANE RESIDENTS ARE AFTER YOU :oSome posters have been put up tonight on trees , look out as your passing ! Sadly not as many as we would have liked because we were getting stopped often by concerned residents who were worried about the increased traffic a supermarket would bring and the safety of their children with increased traffic. We also spoke to many elderly people who live at the side of the college and across the road who were in fear of the increased crime and noise a supermarket would bring ? SHAME ON YOU MS CASSIDY AND MR HUBERT I HOPE YOU CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT ! OH SILLY ME YOU DON'T LIVE HERE DO YOU !Have you had permission to post on trees .
We also gave a clear message to residents to ask their local councillors what they are doing because if the councillors are not behind this all the way the LIBERALS will be out of Marple and we will have an out of work M
To put this in perspective the size of the supermarket will be the size of 6 Football pitches and don't let them tell you any different ! TURN THIS VILLAGE RED PLEASE PUT YOUR POSTER UP. BELIEVE ME TESCO WILL BE MONITORING THE COMMUNITIES REACTION !!!
Part of the covenants say;
There are also rights in favour of the Local Authority to
1- use parts of the Hibbert Lane site for purposes of providing adult education
2- use the leisure centre situated within the Hibbert Lane Site
3- use the Youth Club situated within the Hibbert lane Site
I recall it being suggested at the meeting in the park that provided such facilities were provided at Buxton lane this would satisfy the covenant-I assume this is suggested as the Hibbert lane site would be incorporated with Buxton lane. I construe the above to mean the site i.e. the land-not the building. It refers to the site being used for adult education-meaning the land-this should also apply to the latter covenants surely?
Is it correct to say the covenants apply to the land/site not the building?
Hi Lisa at the meeting we had with the Principal and Mr Hubert (finance ) last Wed. The principle informed all present that, she had two interested supermarkets but that they had a preferred one and after the governors meeting in Oct 2011 she would be signing with her preferred supermarket. When asked about issues the college would face re planning regulations her reply was that the colleges legal team had assured the college that they could over come any regulations which would prevent the college from selling and the supermarket from building. We were all shocked that it had got this far and amazed at the confidence of the principle as she delivered the news. We had also been informed that the people of Marple had been involved in a telephone poll that showed all involved that a supermarket was what the community wanted. I have not been contacted have you or has anyone you know been contacted ?Yes Over twelve months ago outside mcays lady doing survey .just general questions what would you like to see in Marple super market did get mentioned . [ i am not making this up] Miss Marple .
The Marple in Action website mentions "our already congested roads". The roads in Marple are only busy at rush hour, in the morning and mid-afternoon.OK. So you're saying that during daylight hours, the roads in Marple are ok between 12:00 and 14:00 but busy all other times. That sounds fairly congested to me.
A new supermarket won't suddenly mean lots of people coming to Marple to go shopping during rush hour.Disagree. The Tesco in Glossop, for example, and is very busy during the evening rush hour (folk getting the week's groceries while they're passing on their way home).
Further to my last post I have just remembered that there is a small connecting bridge with traffic lights connecting Hibbert Lane/Windlehurst Lane. Is this going to mean that ALL the large lorries delivering to the supermarket will be coming in/out of Marple via Dan Bank/Strines Road?
thanks for putting that link on ! Apparently Tesco do it by car reg recognition , they get to know which of their stores you visit by clocking the reg, so we will all have to stop going to Tesco or black your reg out driving into Tesco Car park
To JMC - I believe other supermarket chain was Waitrose - offered £6m. Housing would generate £2m, Tesco offered £12m.
Was told this by the chap behind the counter at White's butchers.
To JMC - I believe other supermarket chain was Waitrose - offered £6m. Housing would generate £2m, Tesco offered £12m.
Was told this by the chap behind the counter at White's butchers.
Even if the college had been successfull with their bid for funding, they would still have been looking to sell the Hibbert Lane site, so all this about missing deadlines by 2 weeks is a red herring and is diverting attention from the real issues.
In Aug 2006 the college was already looking at selling the land.
I though that i'd give people a true idea of the size of the COM site, as someone said that it wasn't that big.
I should also point out that there is no "technical trickary" at play here, everything you see is to the same scale.
Yes, i removed the fuel garage, as i'm not 100% sure if tesco is going to add a fuel station on the COM development, apart from that everything else is there.I though that i'd give people a true idea of the size of the COM site, as someone said that it wasn't that big.
I should also point out that there is no "technical trickary" at play here, everything you see is to the same scale.
Interesting to note that both the Tesco sites are incomplete. They have both been 'trimmed' to make them look smaller than they actually are.
Yes, i removed the fuel garage, as i'm not 100% sure if tesco is going to add a fuel station on the COM development, apart from that everything else is there.I though that i'd give people a true idea of the size of the COM site, as someone said that it wasn't that big.
I should also point out that there is no "technical trickary" at play here, everything you see is to the same scale.
Interesting to note that both the Tesco sites are incomplete. They have both been 'trimmed' to make them look smaller than they actually are.
Yes, i removed the fuel garage, as i'm not 100% sure if tesco is going to add a fuel station on the COM development, apart from that everything else is there.I though that i'd give people a true idea of the size of the COM site, as someone said that it wasn't that big.
I should also point out that there is no "technical trickary" at play here, everything you see is to the same scale.
Interesting to note that both the Tesco sites are incomplete. They have both been 'trimmed' to make them look smaller than they actually are.
You're not 100% sure they will have a clothing department either, so why not reduce it for that also? Same applies to every other department. If you're going to compare the sites do it honestly and properly.
In fact, you're not 100% sure that Tesco are even interested in opening in Marple. It could be any of the supermarkets.
I though that i'd give people a true idea of the size of the COM site, as someone said that it wasn't that big.
I should also point out that there is no "technical trickary" at play here, everything you see is to the same scale.
(http://www.autism-is-us.com/images/com.jpg)
I'm going off the fact that tescos has expressed interest in purchasing the site. And i would also point out that the comparision is purely to show people the size of the land, not what tescos (or any other food chain) could build on the site.
At any rate, the site is still huge, and has more than enough space to accomodate a full blown superstore, which is what that comparision set out to show.
I may be able to throw a bit of light on the issue of the funding application by camsfc to the Learning and Skills Council (LSC) in 2008. AFAIK it wasn't really a missed deadline at all. What happened was that the LSC suddenly discovered they had massively over-committed capital funding to college building projects all over the country. That is, they promised far more money than they actually had! It was quite a scandal at the time - there were many colleges whose project planning was at an advanced stage, who were suddenly told they couldn't have any capital funding after all! I gather Aquinas only just got under the wire. This was all very sudden, and until then there was no reason for any college to believe that funds were about to run out. So I think the cock up, if there was one, was probably at the LSC.
Being naive, what is staggering in this whole process maybe the role that an (unlucky ?) thirteen unelected people can have in changing the face of Marple, irrevocably. And the lack of power in local and national politics to take on the aggressive supermarkets.
We have sent letters to all the governers at the college, and emailed a copy to Andrew Stunnel. Is our MP on holiday, as his silence far has been deafening ?
Being naive, what is staggering in this whole process maybe the role that an (unlucky ?) thirteen unelected people can have in changing the face of Marple, irrevocably. And the lack of power in local and national politics to take on the aggressive supermarkets.
We have sent letters to all the governers at the college, and emailed a copy to Andrew Stunnel. Is our MP on holiday, as his silence far has been deafening ?
His website hasn't been updated in 3 months! (give or take), so either hes on holiday or doing what most MPs do - burying his head in the sand hoping it will all go away
Being naive, what is staggering in this whole process maybe the role that an (unlucky ?) thirteen unelected people can have in changing the face of Marple, irrevocably. And the lack of power in local and national politics to take on the aggressive supermarkets.
We have sent letters to all the governers at the college, and emailed a copy to Andrew Stunnel. Is our MP on holiday, as his silence far has been deafening ?
His website hasn't been updated in 3 months! (give or take), so either hes on holiday or doing what most MPs do - burying his head in the sand hoping it will all go away
I would suggest that insulting our MP is not the best way to enlist his assistance.
If his website hasn't been updated for 3 months (give or take), then its very clever that it includes his activities in Parliament within the last two weeks.
Being naive, what is staggering in this whole process maybe the role that an (unlucky ?) thirteen unelected people can have in changing the face of Marple, irrevocably. And the lack of power in local and national politics to take on the aggressive supermarkets.
I think he is refering to the college governors.Being naive, what is staggering in this whole process maybe the role that an (unlucky ?) thirteen unelected people can have in changing the face of Marple, irrevocably. And the lack of power in local and national politics to take on the aggressive supermarkets.
Who are these 'thirteen unelected people' mentioned above?
I think he is refering to the college governors.Being naive, what is staggering in this whole process maybe the role that an (unlucky ?) thirteen unelected people can have in changing the face of Marple, irrevocably. And the lack of power in local and national politics to take on the aggressive supermarkets.
Who are these 'thirteen unelected people' mentioned above?
I thought they were all elected, not just one or two.I think he is refering to the college governors.Being naive, what is staggering in this whole process maybe the role that an (unlucky ?) thirteen unelected people can have in changing the face of Marple, irrevocably. And the lack of power in local and national politics to take on the aggressive supermarkets.
Who are these 'thirteen unelected people' mentioned above?
So that would include the ones who have been elected. As stated on the college website.
I may be able to throw a bit of light on the issue of the funding application by camsfc to the Learning and Skills Council (LSC) in 2008. AFAIK it wasn't really a missed deadline at all. What happened was that the LSC suddenly discovered they had massively over-committed capital funding to college building projects all over the country. That is, they promised far more money than they actually had! It was quite a scandal at the time - there were many colleges whose project planning was at an advanced stage, who were suddenly told they couldn't have any capital funding after all! I gather Aquinas only just got under the wire. This was all very sudden, and until then there was no reason for any college to believe that funds were about to run out. So I think the cock up, if there was one, was probably at the LSC.
Apologies thought it would be obvious-the proposed sale of the site to a retailer as the preferred option.. Cheers Maria for searching out information !
I appear to have confused you, Duke - my aplogies.
1. About three years ago, shortly before its demise, the LSC got itself into a mess by promising capital fundind which it did not actually have. There was no overspening, however - the promises were withdrawn and various college had to abandon their building projects, as Acoustician has conifrimed on this thread.
2. Entirely unrelated to that cock up by the LSC, last year the newly-elected government scrapped the previous government's school (not college) building scheme called Building Schools for the future.
That's all.
Being naive, what is staggering in this whole process maybe the role that an (unlucky ?) thirteen unelected people can have in changing the face of Marple, irrevocably. And the lack of power in local and national politics to take on the aggressive supermarkets.
Who are these 'thirteen unelected people' mentioned above?
I think we agree that the totally inept labour government completely mismanaged a spending program (yet again). It's hugely hypocritical of that party and it's deluded supporters to critiques the current governments remedial action.
Being naive, what is staggering in this whole process maybe the role that an (unlucky ?) thirteen unelected people can have in changing the face of Marple, irrevocably. And the lack of power in local and national politics to take on the aggressive supermarkets.
Who are these 'thirteen unelected people' mentioned above?
Whoops my mistake, apologies. I was trying, without success to convey the notion that unlike local, or national politicians the committee, whose members may well be sympathetic to the aims of Marple in Action, are not accountable to the populous of Marple. But doubtless will be torn between the needs of the college, present and future, and the need to consider Marple's present and the effect of any decision on it's future.
Perhaps I should throw the spade out of the hole, as my logic seems to be awry.
I think you said in our last text that you followed the thread on here so this is the only way of getting a message to you.
All I want to say is please contact me again you could really help the people of MARPLE I think you may have been concerned that we would share your identity or contact details with others but I can assure you that we would do everything to protect your identity I provided you with some information in one of our lasts texts, I hope probably will change to Yes ??? please help us ?
... loss of sports facilities and greenspace etc.
Well another busy day ! I have spoken to ASDA land buyers. and TESCO Head office but all deny intrest in the land which didn't surprise me but I think it surprised them that we knew something. I have contacted Andrews Stunell office to ask him to attend our rally in the park and to ask him why he didn't attend the last one ? but he is not as yet back from holiday ! I have also sent an invitation to Ms Cassidy, Mr Hubert and the governors to invite them to our Rally in the park (information to follow soon ) 4 days ago but I have not had a response which is strange, I thought we got on really well when I met Ms Cassidy at out last meeting, just shows what a bad judge of People I am Now what else ? Oh YES ! I am in the local Stockport Express Advertiser at the area committee meeting ! WOW ! pity it's not better colour quality to let my blue rinse shine through :P.
It's a red car-that is all I know but it is trespass-ours was removed too late last night.
Is this the article? http://menmedia.co.uk/stockportexpress/news/s/1454010_supermarket-land-row-meeting-moved-to-park-after-room-proves-too-small-as-hundreds-attend
Shark sandwich's? now i'm confused...
Shark Sandwich's comments are good.
Shark sandwich's? now i'm confused...
Shark Sandwich's comments are good.
Anway, back on topic
I'm getting a sense of foul play with regards to a dissapearing signs, as its seems like it could be more than coincidence that more than 1 sign has been taken down, and in more than one location.
If you don't mind me asking, what area(s) have the signs been
Just wondered if anyone knows the identity of the people who have been removing the red protest posters? Someone came onto our proerty at about midnight last night and removed both of ours. Technically, I think this is trespass....I'd be very interested if anyone has their details or sees their registration number.
I aggree that we should print more and mroe posters etc, however, i think we need to clearly mark on the posters etc that "this poster is property of Marple-in-action. any party who steals this poster will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law." We should also moniter each poster that is easily accesible by anyone, maybe set up a camera so that we can catch however is trying to steal these as a last resort in hopes of stopping us stopping CAMSFC selling the site.Just wondered if anyone knows the identity of the people who have been removing the red protest posters? Someone came onto our proerty at about midnight last night and removed both of ours. Technically, I think this is trespass....I'd be very interested if anyone has their details or sees their registration number.
It is trespass... It is also theft. Hopefully, they (whoever "they" are) won't win and the residents of Marple won't be too scared to put posters on their property. For every one that gets taken down, we should put up ten! Any property that is near enough to the road could put them inside their windows too. The shops have now got them inside. They won't get them all!
I have reported the 'theft' of our posters to the police and the press are interested too. The college have denied any responsibility for employing someone to take them down. Apparently, 2 men in a red car have been seen removing them from people's houses. If anyone can get the registration number of the car concerned, out Community Police Officers would like to have it.Execellent news!
I think these personal attacks on Ms Cassidy should stop.
She has a duty to get the best possible price for the land she needs to sell in order to provide better facilities for our young people.
I wounder weither we could conveince the college to split the site into 2 halfs? by spliting the site up we effectivley kill 2 birds with one stone, because there limiting the size of the supermarket that could be built, and were still allowing the college to site the site. Although we'd have to make sure that we had a buyer lined up for one half of the site.
I think that some people think that they will not have problems due to not living on Hibbert Lane but I have just been informed from a very reliable source today that the college are planning to massively re deveop and rebuild The Buxton Lane college with several high story buildings which if I lived on Cross lane , Buxton Lane or any of the houses around and about I would be mighty worried about being over looked, no parking, noise and traffic
I think that some people think that they will not have problems due to not living on Hibbert Lane but I have just been informed from a very reliable source today that the college are planning to massively re develop and rebuild The Buxton Lane college with several high story buildings which if I lived on Cross lane , Buxton Lane or any of the houses around and about I would be mighty worried about being over looked, no parking, noise and traffic.Tick Tock,Tick Tock!!
So if I am emotional or overly concerned so should we all !! because as I have said time and time again on this site ! We can all be arm chair socialists but we all really need now to wake up and smell the coffee.!!!
Thank you, alstan and JMC, for contributing two of the most rational posts on this thread. Personally I have an open mind on this issue: I can understand the college's position, in seeking to improve the facilities for its students (aka our kids and grandkids), but I can also understand the opposition of those who live near the Hibbert Lane site.
However, one thing is clear: the way forward is through reasoned argument, and not through the personal vilification and near-hysteria of some posts on this thread :-(
Hi Alstan I am one of the founders of MIA and I take full responsibility for the fly posting The police can easily contact me via the hot line which would probably give us more publicity..
MARPLE IN ACTION have always encouraged people if they so wish to start their own group in favour of the proposed supermarket. Please feel free to contact me via the hot line, the staff will take your details and I will return your call. I will be happy to inform you personally about the meetings I have had with interested parties re this matter and that will give you information to make a decision based on an informed choice. MM
...Comparisons have been made between the potential site on Hibbert Lane and Tesco’s Portwood store but it seems ridiculous to suggest that they would consider a “superstore” in a suburb (aka”village”) of this size. They would be far more likely to build a more modest store and retain the ability to extend it if, and when, its value to local people has been established .Reference has been made to the rather industrial architecture of Tesco Glossop and Whalley Bridge. Again that is unthinkable and I am sure that any supermarket that might win the day would adopt a faux rural design to please the villagers.
While on the subject of Tesco, we should bear in mind that, over the past 30 years, they have been one of the most successful of British companies and most of the people in this country will have benefited from their enterprise in some way. They have been a significant constituent of most pension funds and one of the few consistent contributors to those funds. They employ almost half a million people. They contribute a proportion of their pre tax profit to charity.
I have received a letter in response to my own from Andrew Stunnell-he has set up his own campaign - Get the College to Think Again - and has suggests we all join his campaign-I have a form to complete and return to him but will imagine he has an online petition on his web page. Not had the chance to check yet but will do so-at least he is supporting our opposition to a large supermarket!Thats both good and bad news,
We had our arranged meeting with Andrew Stunnell and it went well, he has pledged his support which will run alongside MARPLE IN ACTION The mins of the meeting are being typed and when they are ready Belle MIA secretary will put them on the forum.all ready on the forum .from Marple civic society .
Hi Amazon this was a different meeting, there have been three different meetings today. MBF and the Civic Society are all members of MIA and we are all working and attending meetings on different things and then we share information at a larger meeting. There are lots of things going on that requires different people to attend different things but we are working well as a team and by working together we are stronger MMWe had our arranged meeting with Andrew Stunnell and it went well, he has pledged his support which will run alongside MARPLE IN ACTION The mins of the meeting are being typed and when they are ready Belle MIA Secretary will put them on the forum.all ready on the forum .from Marple civic society .
I have received a letter in response to my own from Andrew Stunnell-he has set up his own campaign - Get the College to Think Again - and has suggests we all join his campaign-I have a form to complete and return to him but will imagine he has an online petition on his web page. Not had the chance to check yet but will do so-at least he is supporting our opposition to a large supermarket!
We had our arranged meeting with Andrew Stunnell and it went well, he has pledged his support which will run alongside MARPLE IN ACTION The mins of the meeting are being typed and when they are ready Belle MIA secretary will put them on the forum.all ready on the forum .from Marple civic society .
MARPLE IN ACTION have now organised Into teams
Legal team
Lobbyist team
Tec team
Communication team
Research team
Data team
Leaftet distribution team
Fund raising team
Market research team
We have groups of people working in all these teams but are still looking for anyone who thinks they can help in any of these areas. Each team has a nominated team leader so please if you can help in anyway
contact the action line, admin, or the MARPLE In ACTION web site and you will be put in touch with the team you feel you could assist. OCT IS FAST APPROCHING WE NEED TO ACT NOW !
What another fantastic day we have had today collecting signatures. We have gained over a thousand again today and that's not counting the ones in the shops or the ones being collected door to door. The opposition to this ridicules proposal is huge and growing as more and more people gather information, which they have been doing independently now by speaking to collage staff who are now openly saying what they had been told by CAMSFC. Lots of interest in the March next week with people from surrounding areas phoning for information. We also think that we may have a lead on the red car that has been used by the two people taking down the posters as a resident was able to get the car registration number and reported it to the police.Forgot to say that T shirts are now on sale at £5.00 each. All profit to go MIA fund raising campaign
ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU TO THE RESIDENTS OF MARPLE WHO CAME OUT TO SIGN TODAY YOU DID MARPLE PROUD.
NEXT SATURDAYS MARCH WILL BE THE DAY WHEN THE COLLAGE AND ALL OTHER INTERESTED
PARTIES SEE THAT A SUPERMARKET ON THE HIBBERT LANE SITE IS NOT WANTED AND NOT HAPPENING
Forgot to say that T shirts are now on sale at £5.00 each. All profit to go MIA fund raising campaignCan I suggest a change on the T-shirt design? insted of having the logo on the front i'd move it to the back, and have a small logo on the left breast at the front.
I really do not get your posts Smithy 166.MIA is running like a well oiled machine.All the teams know what they are doing.We don't need credit for suggestions.We are getting on with the job in hand.Why would we want to change the t'shirt logos?we are not making any fashion statements!They are already printed.We are not staff as such, we are volunteers with no pecking order.We are not in it for the glory.We have one aim.To save our local business,To prevent any more traffic congestion,The devaluation of property values, the disruption to the supermarkets neighbours and the preservation of our town centre.!!Its a suggestion! Its there to be thought about, and considered by MIA, not thrown in the bin!!
I really do not get your posts Smithy 166.MIA is running like a well oiled machine.All the teams know what they are doing.We don't need credit for suggestions.We are getting on with the job in hand.Why would we want to change the t'shirt logos?we are not making any fashion statements!They are already printed.We are not staff as such, we are volunteers with no pecking order.We are not in it for the glory.We have one aim.To save our local business,To prevent any more traffic congestion,The devaluation of property values, the disruption to the supermarkets neighbours and the preservation of our town centre.!!Its a suggestion! Its there to be thought about, and considered by MIA, not thrown in the bin!!
Please, I understand that the people in MIA are volunteers, but you do have a pecking order (team members, team leaders).
The reason why i suggested that people be given credit for there ideas is that it would show the community that MIA are listening to there ideas, not simply taking them for there own.
I ask that you do not to mock me, or make fun of my suggestions, as that A. gets nowere B. results in the battle being lost and C. is damn well out of order. D. If you act like this for every idea thats suggested sooner or later people are going to stop suggesting them, and as I'm quite sure that you are aware, A campagin with ideas is like a boat out of water, it just doesn't work.
Thankyou for that admin, I must apologise for my "grumpyness" aswell.I really do not get your posts Smithy 166.MIA is running like a well oiled machine.All the teams know what they are doing.We don't need credit for suggestions.We are getting on with the job in hand.Why would we want to change the t'shirt logos?we are not making any fashion statements!They are already printed.We are not staff as such, we are volunteers with no pecking order.We are not in it for the glory.We have one aim.To save our local business,To prevent any more traffic congestion,The devaluation of property values, the disruption to the supermarkets neighbours and the preservation of our town centre.!!Its a suggestion! Its there to be thought about, and considered by MIA, not thrown in the bin!!
Please, I understand that the people in MIA are volunteers, but you do have a pecking order (team members, team leaders).
The reason why i suggested that people be given credit for there ideas is that it would show the community that MIA are listening to there ideas, not simply taking them for there own.
I ask that you do not to mock me, or make fun of my suggestions, as that A. gets nowere B. results in the battle being lost and C. is damn well out of order. D. If you act like this for every idea thats suggested sooner or later people are going to stop suggesting them, and as I'm quite sure that you are aware, A campagin with ideas is like a boat out of water, it just doesn't work.
To clarify for you Smithy, the group were already pursuing the suggestions that you made (t-shirts aside) some time ago before you made them. Perhaps it would have been more polite to say thanks, but we've already thought of that. However, nobody did, me included, so please accept my apologies for that.
Latest FOI Response:
Link http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/80241/response/202061/attach/3/S45C%20211081518130.pdf (http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/80241/response/202061/attach/3/S45C%20211081518130.pdf)
Email from Paul Lawrence of SMBC to Christina (presumably Christina Cassidy, Principal of CAMSFC).
There is rather a lot blacked out on this letter so a new FOI has been requested as only the supermarkets names should be blacked out (commercial sensitivity) and not what the main aim of the meeting was about.Interesting article in the mail today re asda supermarkets page 58 .will quote some .smaller formats as become the new battle ground for britains big four the rush to downsize has been promted by britains arcate planning laws as firms strugle to get planning permision to build large stores .asda is playing catch up along with
Interesting article in the mail today...[snip]
Interesting article in the mail today...[snip]
Here's a link to said article, CITY FOCUS: Supermarket giant Asda downsizes onto the High Street (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-2026734/CITY-FOCUS-Supermarket-giant-Asda-downsizes-High-Street.html).
First time I've seen a story in the Daily Fail that doesn't feature a newly identified cancer risk, a threat to house prices, Princess Di, or immigration paranoia. Good spot.
OH DEAR !! This makes interesting reading
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OH MY GOD !
Thanks for doing the research SGK it's worse than I imagined .
Alot of pre planning meetings there!! Even I'm shocked! How can all those meetings be justified? Clearly the councillors did know about it..[snip]
From my recollection of what was said, Paul Lawrence stated that there had been no formal planning meetings between the Council & the College. It was not until David Hoyle got on the stand that they admitted that they had pre-planning meetings with the college (pre planning meetings are usually deemed to be in confidence) so Paul Lawrence acted quite correctly in not mentioning them at the meeting until after the college released the information.Yes I have one off Paul Lawrence, Councillor Bispham Councillor Dowling Councillor.Sue Ingham Councillor Chandler Oh yes nearly forgot, Andrew Stunell MP
What is not acceptable is that if any of the 4 COUNCILLORS (our elected representatives) who attended the meeting on 27th June then entered correspondence with local people stating that they had no knowledge of any plans for a Supermarket.
IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN THEY SHOULD RESIG
Has anyone any proof?
This is all rather confusing! This may be because of different meanings of the word 'plans'. I was at the famous 'party in the park', and heard Mr Lawrence state clearly that he had met management staff from camsfc, and advised them that a major retail development on the Hibbert Lane site would not comply with the council's core strategy. That is not a planning meeting, or a pre-planning meeting, or a 'meeting with supermarket planners'. Those meetings would come at a later stage, if and when a formal planning application is being prepared.
As for Miss M's point that ' all our hard earned taxes are spent getting half of the senior SMBC officers including The Chief Executive of the council to attend meetings with CAMSFC', I for one would rather my council tax were spent on dealing with important matters such as these, than on dealing with endless FOI requests!
Thanks belly - I take your point. I also strongly agree that the crusaders of MIA would be well advsied to moderate ther attacks on councillors and council officers. Staging what seems more and more like a vendetta against both the college and the council may not be the most effective way of winning hearts and minds!Oh you can be cutting with me at times, but like I alway say WE ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS OUR OPPOSITION so thanks for you comments :-*
As for Miss M's point that ' all our hard earned taxes are spent getting half of the senior SMBC officers including The Chief Executive of the council to attend meetings with CAMSFC', I for one would rather my council tax were spent on dealing with important matters such as these, than on dealing with endless FOI requests!
...I for one would rather my council tax were spent on dealing with important matters such as these, than on dealing with endless FOI requests!
This post contained copies of two emails sent by Christina Cassidy to her staff earlier this year on April 7 and then on May 9.
I received a request to remove them from Andrew Hubert of Cheadle and Marple College at 1.20pm today (28 July 2011). Andrew provided a copy of the CAMSFC Disclaimer that the he says accompanied the original emails when they were sent out to college staff, which I have pasted below:
CAMSFC DISCLAIMER: This e-mail message and any attachments may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information and is intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is intended to be addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the College. If you have received this message in error, or you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying or disclose of its contents to any other person is strictly prohibited, please notify the sender immediately, by responding to this message and then deleting it from your system. The College nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan this email.
I have sought advice regarding the legal position on this and have been advised to comply with the college's request. Admin.
... MIA would be well advised to concentrate its efforts on submitting objections through these processes, and through political lobbying. Trivial information about who met who in the early stages will count for nothing.
Some years ago, following the lead of other residents in our road, I joined in a protest about a new block of flats being built in our road. It also evoked an outcry at a local area committee, demands for information about who knew what and when, claims about depressing house prices, traffic etc. The council dutifully threw out the planning proposal and the developers subsequently won their appeal. I look at what was built and wonder why I campaigned against it - it doesn't look bad and has negligible impact on me or the local environment. I was stupid to jump on the bandwagon of opposing change for the sake of opposing change.
The same appears to be happening here. I note with some concern that some of the most vociferous opponents of a supermarket scheme are the same people who vigorously condemned the work on Dan Bank. Well, look at that now: it is a magnificent piece of civil engineering, looks tidy, is a lot safer and, with a bit of care of the trees, will be many times better than before.
People make a lot about CAMSFC's governors not living in Marple. Well, looking at the photographs of the march, quite a lot of the participants don't live anywhere close to Hibbert Lane either and aren't going to be remotely affected by this scheme.
Likewise, if you drive out of Marple to do a "big supermarket shop" you are taking both your traffic fumes and your spending power out of Marple, not helping either the environment or the local traders.
If you demand that the college don't think just about money, then don't raise the issue of your house prices. If you complain about living in line of sight of a supermarket then just stand on the opposite side of Hibbert Lane and look at the college - it isn't the prettiest of buildings.
I am somewhat neutral about the local small shops - none of them are open when I come home from work and I am forced to spend money in the co-op ... or the co-op (yes, time that monopoly ended). On the other hand my children will shortly be going to the college every day, so I, like the governors and principal of CAMSFC, am concerned about their education and I really don't care whether the governors and principal live in Marple or not. Most of the wage-earners in Marple don't actually work in Marple - they commute outside.
Perhaps it is time for a new forum topic to start suggesting realistic alternative proposals for how Marple Sixth-Form College - and yes, it is MARPLE'S sixth form college - can raise the money they need for new build. I may (observing the poll) be in a minority in this forum who would like a new supermarket, but I don't think I am the only person in Marple in that position.
Can I ask a question? .... The building on Buxton Lane has 5 floors, so how can a new building on there be intrusive?Because as it stands now it is rellatively small, However, because the college would have to encorperate both campuses onto one site the building would have to be bigger, so there goes your green fields and the football pitches, but because they can only take up a certain amount of space before the green belt comes into play the are going to build up aswell, so the buildling could be higher than it is currently :/
Can I ask a question? .... The building on Buxton Lane has 5 floors, so how can a new building on there be intrusive?Because as it stands now it is rellatively small, However, because the college would have to encorperate both campuses onto one site the building would have to be bigger, so there goes your green fields and the football pitches, but because they can only take up a certain amount of space before the green belt comes into play the are going to build up aswell, so the buildling could be higher than it is currently :/
It may be worth considering another approach, in addition to all those currently being investigated. Marple residents have used the college site for many years as a sporting / recreational ground. Youth teams play/train on the football pitches, the sports hall is used for many sports in all weathers.
We may be able to add some weight to the 'open green space' argument?? See the following link for more information http://www.opengreenspace.com/news/communities-get-power-to-protect-green-spaces/ (http://www.opengreenspace.com/news/communities-get-power-to-protect-green-spaces/) Sporting England carry a lot weight too and it may be worth asking for their opinion http://www.sportengland.org/facilities__planning/putting_policy_into_practice/playing_fields.aspx (http://www.sportengland.org/facilities__planning/putting_policy_into_practice/playing_fields.aspx)
"Local communities will be able to earmark for special consideration local ‘green space’ land – whether its value is in its natural beauty, its historic resonances, its recreational value, its tranquillity or its importance as wildlife habitat"
Just a thought....?
Some years ago, following the lead of other residents in our road, I joined in a protest about a new block of flats being built in our road. It also evoked an outcry at a local area committee, demands for information about who knew what and when, claims about depressing house prices, traffic etc. The council dutifully threw out the planning proposal and the developers subsequently won their appeal. I look at what was built and wonder why I campaigned against it - it doesn't look bad and has negligible impact on me or the local environment. I was stupid to jump on the bandwagon of opposing change for the sake of opposing change.Hollins,if the apartments built on the bungalow site Staion Rd/Hollins Green Rd are what you are talking about,they are a lot less intrusive as a supermarket.There is no comparison!Of course people all over Marple will be affected by increased traffic not just Hibbert lane and surrounding roads, thats why they attended the march amongst other reasons ::)
The same appears to be happening here. I note with some concern that some of the most vociferous opponents of a supermarket scheme are the same people who vigorously condemned the work on Dan Bank. Well, look at that now: it is a magnificent piece of civil engineering, looks tidy, is a lot safer and, with a bit of care of the trees, will be many times better than before.
People make a lot about CAMSFC's governors not living in Marple. Well, looking at the photographs of the march, quite a lot of the participants don't live anywhere close to Hibbert Lane either and aren't going to be remotely affected by this scheme.
Likewise, if you drive out of Marple to do a "big supermarket shop" you are taking both your traffic fumes and your spending power out of Marple, not helping either the environment or the local traders. If you demand that the college don't think just about money, then don't raise the issue of your house prices. If you complain about living in line of sight of a supermarket then just stand on the opposite side of Hibbert Lane and look at the college - it isn't the prettiest of buildings.
I am somewhat neutral about the local small shops - none of them are open when I come home from work and I am forced to spend money in the co-op ... or the co-op (yes, time that monopoly ended). On the other hand my children will shortly be going to the college every day, so I, like the governors and principal of CAMSFC, am concerned about their education and I really don't care whether the governors and principal live in Marple or not. Most of the wage-earners in Marple don't actually work in Marple - they commute outside.
Perhaps it is time for a new forum topic to start suggesting realistic alternative proposals for how Marple Sixth-Form College - and yes, it is MARPLE'S sixth form college - can raise the money they need for new build. I may (observing the poll) be in a minority in this forum who would like a new supermarket, but I don't think I am the only person in Marple in that position.
Thanks for the suggestion Jo s,That and similar items are already being looked into. Keep 'em coming though :) Every little helps! ;DIt may be worth considering another approach, in addition to all those currently being investigated. Marple residents have used the college site for many years as a sporting / recreational ground. Youth teams play/train on the football pitches, the sports hall is used for many sports in all weathers.
We may be able to add some weight to the 'open green space' argument?? See the following link for more information http://www.opengreenspace.com/news/communities-get-power-to-protect-green-spaces/ (http://www.opengreenspace.com/news/communities-get-power-to-protect-green-spaces/) Sporting England carry a lot weight too and it may be worth asking for their opinion http://www.sportengland.org/facilities__planning/putting_policy_into_practice/playing_fields.aspx (http://www.sportengland.org/facilities__planning/putting_policy_into_practice/playing_fields.aspx)
"Local communities will be able to earmark for special consideration local ‘green space’ land – whether its value is in its natural beauty, its historic resonances, its recreational value, its tranquillity or its importance as wildlife habitat"
Just a thought....?
http://themarpleleaf.blogspot.com/2011/08/marple-supermarket-arguments-for.html
Interesting reading.
I know I`m going to get pelters but I am part of the silent majority in Marple who think a new supermarket development is just what the town needs.
Marple centre is tired looking and on it`s last legs and although a shame it`s harsh economical facts.
If SMBC were that bothered they would offer competitive discounts on business rates for new businesses and offer free parking.
The main street is full of empty premises so anew supermarket won`t do any harm.
Marple should re brand itself as the gateway to some beautiful countryside and outdoor pursuits and create niche shops to fit in with that style of town/village centre.
I`m not trying to wind you all up I just think an alternative viewpoint should be aired.
No 'pelters' from this direction, Jerome - I think you make some good points.
Duke, if by 'the clothes shop' you mean McKay's, I suspect that's much too small for a Tesco or Asda.
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The answer would be to have a supermarket within the centre but the only premises suitable would be the clothes shop.
Bear in mind that Stockport Council's preferred location is Chadwick Street (presumably on the site of the existing car park, behind Iceland?), see the email from Paul Lawrence (Stockport Council Regeneration Manager) to Christina Cassidy (CAMSFC Principal) (http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/80241/response/202061/attach/3/S45C%20211081518130.pdf).
Which is all very interesting but completely beside the point, because these locations, however suitable, wouldn't raise a penny for the college!
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The answer would be to have a supermarket within the centre but the only premises suitable would be the clothes shop.
Bear in mind that Stockport Council's preferred location is Chadwick Street (presumably on the site of the existing car park, behind Iceland?), see the email from Paul Lawrence (Stockport Council Regeneration Manager) to Christina Cassidy (CAMSFC Principal) (http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/80241/response/202061/attach/3/S45C%20211081518130.pdf).
I hadn't seen that, interesting but the site is suggested only IF it is believed an existing site in unavailable. My solution is to utilise the existing buildings if it is attractive to the commercial organisations. I see this as a solution as m&co get a cheaper rent, coop don't have an empty building, newco supermarket get a new store in a good location, MIA fend off Hibbert la & Marple get the supermarket they demand
I hadn't seen that, interesting but the site is suggested only IF it is believed an existing site in unavailable. My solution is to utilise the existing buildings if it is attractive to the commercial organisations. I see this as a solution as m&co get a cheaper rent, coop don't have an empty building, newco supermarket get a new store in a good location, MIA fend off Hibbert la & Marple get the supermarket they demand
I hadn't seen that, interesting but the site is suggested only IF it is believed an existing site in unavailable. My solution is to utilise the existing buildings if it is attractive to the commercial organisations. I see this as a solution as m&co get a cheaper rent, coop don't have an empty building, newco supermarket get a new store in a good location, MIA fend off Hibbert la & Marple get the supermarket they demand
Just a couple of possible problems there Duke.
M&Co may not want to move to smaller premises.
The Co-op used to be in the building where M&Co currently is, but then it had the whole ground floor, including what is now Superdrug. This wasn't large enough so they had the current store built. This may mean that the Co-op are the landlord there, and therefore wouldn't rent to a supermarket, even though it would only be convenience store size.
Also, I doubt that any new supermarket of a viable size, i.e. if they also got the Superdrug premises, would accept a site without car parking right alongside it.
Duke, the college may very well be able to 'become more efficient and create more income streams', but there's no way that would raise 12 million of capital, sadly! And btw, the 'current guy' is a woman.
Bear in mind that Stockport Council's preferred location is Chadwick Street (presumably on the site of the existing car park, behind Iceland?), see the email from Paul Lawrence (Stockport Council Regeneration Manager) to Christina Cassidy (CAMSFC Principal) (http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/80241/response/202061/attach/3/S45C%20211081518130.pdf).
This may be the worst possible scenario.
A new supermarket, which, some are claiming, would increase traffic.
The loss of a major car park in the town centre.
The college then having to sell the Hibbert Lane site for housing, so another few hundred homes built, which in turn means hundreds more cars.
And we will probably have another hundred or so homes on the Peacefield site eventually
Which is all very interesting but completely beside the point, because these locations, however suitable, wouldn't raise a penny for the college!
True Dave but that is the college's problem & not of my concern.
I'm sure the college can become more efficient and create more income streams with a bit of thought, selling the land is an easy fix, using their assets more productively is more skilful. If the current guy doesn't have the financial background to pull it, there are plenty who can.
Which is all very interesting but completely beside the point, because these locations, however suitable, wouldn't raise a penny for the college!
True Dave but that is the college's problem & not of my concern.
I'm sure the college can become more efficient and create more income streams with a bit of thought, selling the land is an easy fix, using their assets more productively is more skilful. If the current guy doesn't have the financial background to pull it, there are plenty who can.
And the college would probably say what you want is not their concern.
This thread seems to be drifting into la-la-land! AFAIK there is no proposal to build a supermarket on Chadwick Street, or on the McKay's site or M and Co or whatever it's called this week. I suggest we go back to discussing what IS being proposed.
hear hear!
This thread seems to be drifting into la-la-land! AFAIK there is no proposal to build a supermarket on Chadwick Street, or on the McKay's site or M and Co or whatever it's called this week. I suggest we go back to discussing what IS being proposed.
Duke, are all new buildings 'lefty mumbo jumbo'? Or just college buildings?
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One very important question was raised at tonights Area Committee meeting by a member of the public, which has really got me thinking. I wanted to remind people of the above letter from Paul Lawrence, read carefully about the Localism Bill. Oh I do hope the chap who asked the question reads this web sight if he does he will be very concerned and rightly so given it's contents.
I'm sure the college can become more efficient and create more income streams with a bit of thought, selling the land is an easy fix, using their assets more productively is more skilful. If the current guy doesn't have the financial background to pull it, there are plenty who can.hear hear !!! at last somebody else that i agree with.....ITS A COLLAGE it should stay as a COLLAGE or a school no ifs or buts!
hear hear !!! at last somebody else that i agree with.....ITS A COLLAGE it should stay as a COLLAGE or a school no ifs or buts!
so what is it then harry,campus ? your gonna amaze me with a technical correct name for the said buildings on hibbert lane that EVERYONE calls the collage!,that used to be a school cant wait ???hear hear !!! at last somebody else that i agree with.....ITS A COLLAGE it should stay as a COLLAGE or a school no ifs or buts!
Actually its niether a collage nor a school.
Sorry. Couldn't resist.
so what is it then harry,campus ? your gonna amaze me with a technical correct name for the said buildings on hibbert lane that EVERYONE calls the collage!,that used to be a school cant wait ???hear hear !!! at last somebody else that i agree with.....ITS A COLLAGE it should stay as a COLLAGE or a school no ifs or buts!
Actually its niether a collage nor a school.
Sorry. Couldn't resist.
I should think the idea of multi level car parks is the way to go. This seems to have worked very well at Waitrose in Cheadle Hulme.
I should think the idea of multi level car parks is the way to go. This seems to have worked very well at Waitrose in Cheadle Hulme.
I now I am going to sound really cheeky but I don't mean to, but I imagine you as being someone who has just left school/ college Do you shop in a supermarket ? silly question I know but I have just built up a picture of you over time :-\
firstly by way of background i lived in marple for 25 years and have lived elsewhere for as long but my family still live in the town so i have observed the "tesco" debate with interest and wanted to make some observations from an outside maybe more objective position
6 if the no camp succeed what is there vision for the town ,because the retail offer willcontinue to decline andso far all i have seen are lots of people claiming a superstore will be its death knell ,as an outsider believe me it looks like its doing a good job of dying without any help
7 marple has aeging population ,look at stocports bc website for some stats ,turning away asuperstore wont help reverse that
8 lastly ,beware an MP after votes ,andrew stunnell may make noises of support but remember he is a liberal mp in a coalition most liberal voters hate and with a small majority to defend AND he is a minister in eric pickles department which has published the most radical shake up proposals to planning for thelast 20 years and at the heart of the changes is the assumption that development should go ahead unless there are overwhelming reasons against and that economic development and jobs come first ,localism is a red herring and that includes retail development
a few more observations
1 an ageing population is bad it means you lose things like primary schools first ! then secondary schools then pubs then restaurants then retailers and end up with a dead town marple has a very unbalanced population compared to the rest of stockport
2 everything you do say on here will be taken down and can be used against you in a planning enquiry,i would put good money that everything on here is being copied in offices in leeds ,welwyn garden city and holbourn and may be used by a foodstore to make their case ,i especially refer you to the endless slagging offs the coop is getting ,there are two things this governments current planning policy is founded on and that is competition and jobs if you keep saying the coop is rubbish and expensive that makes the case for the need for competition ,if they can prove their 300 new jobs outweigh those that would be lost in smaller retailers and the coop they win that argument
3 sequential testing ,if the retailer makes his case as point 2 he then has to prove he has looked at all sequentially better sites ie ones closer to the town centre and none of them are suitable ,they will probably be able to argue without any problem that that means sites big enough to take a store at least the size of the coop not smaller otherwise that isnt competative ,i think unless you are going to sacrifice the rec the willows is the nearest suitable and avaliable site
4 it is not sustainable for 5'000 or however many journeys it is a week from marple to stockport or hazel grove etc to shop thats 5 miles each way x X000 journeys x52 weeks a year ,take all those journeys off the road and you make a strong enviromental case
remember people all 3 retailers in stockport and everywhere else know exactly how many times you shop there and again will use those statistics against you in an enquiry and as most of you are making those journeys every week you cannot argue against it
5 best guess is college will go to tender with foodstores in the autumn ,price will rocket above £12m if two or more of them want it £20m+ is easily acheivable ,stockport will refuse the applicationand it will go to enquiry ,start preparing your case now
here is something i dont understand ,when stockport mbc "sold "the college did they impose restrictions on the resale on it and future uses for the land ,if not its either negligent of them or incompetant
Another thing is that there is now a facebook group of people who want a supermarket in marple, over 120 people so far. It's likely that the supermarkets will pick up on this and compare it with those who don't want a supermarket, they could get their own petition. Recently an area was divided by a simelar issue and it appears that Tesco put on coaches etc for its supporters.I've just had a quick search on facebook for a group about wanting a tescos in marple, The only 2 I could find had, wait for it, An amazing 0 likes!
Another thing is that there is now a facebook group of people who want a supermarket in marple, over 120 people so far. It's likely that the supermarkets will pick up on this and compare it with those who don't want a supermarket, they could get their own petition. Recently an area was divided by a simelar issue and it appears that Tesco put on coaches etc for its supporters.I've just had a quick search on facebook for a group about wanting a tescos in marple, The only 2 I could find had, wait for it, An amazing 0 likes!
Where did Tesco put the coaches on to go to And just for the record ASDA is reported to be CAMSFC preferred choice, don't ask me why I don't know :-\
I believe that the sizeable development at Aquinas cost around 15 million, so the college will be able to do quite a lot with 12 million at Buxton Lane. And if they need a bit more they should be able to borrow at faourable rates.CAMSFC actually wanted 60 million originally, see Stockport Express : Cash for new college building withdrawn (http://menmedia.co.uk/stockportexpress/news/s/1126132_cash_for_new_college_building_withdrawn), so they'll have to considerably scale back their development plans I guess.
The danger of the college moving away from Marple is zero - I can't imagine where that nonsense came from!Either that's speculation on your part, or you've got some well-placed inside knowledge Dave?
Another thing is that there is now a facebook group of people who want a supermarket in marple, over 120 people so far. It's likely that the supermarkets will pick up on this and compare it with those who don't want a supermarket, they could get their own petition. Recently an area was divided by a simelar issue and it appears that Tesco put on coaches etc for its supporters.I've just had a quick search on facebook for a group about wanting a tescos in marple, The only 2 I could find had, wait for it, An amazing 0 likes!
I have no connection with camsfc, but I did work at a college (not in this area) before I retired.
Although colleges of this sort are independent of local authorities, they are also highly regulated. Camsfc's funding, AFAIK, will be from two main sources: SMBC (for 16-18 year olds) and the Skills Funding Agency (for adult students). The funds will be per student enrolment, and will come with conditions attached, in the form of a Financial Memorandum. As 60 percent of the college's students come from Marple, the funders could (and almost certainly would) withdraw funding if the college were to move away. It's as simple as that!
I believe that the sizeable development at Aquinas cost around 15 million, so the college will be able to do quite a lot with 12 million at Buxton Lane. And if they need a bit more they should be able to borrow at faourable rates.CAMSFC actually wanted 60 million originally, see Stockport Express : Cash for new college building withdrawn (http://menmedia.co.uk/stockportexpress/news/s/1126132_cash_for_new_college_building_withdrawn), so they'll have to considerably scale back their development plans I guess.
The danger of the college moving away from Marple is zero - I can't imagine where that nonsense came from!Either that's speculation on your part, or you've got some well-placed inside knowledge Dave?
CAMSFC have already stated that the revenue they receive from the sale of the Hibbert Lane site will be used to redevelop Buxton Lane. This new speculation is entirely fictional and intended merely to create FUD.
There appeared to be three clear avenues to follow in the short and long term, briefly summarised as:
- Try to obtain planning consent for development at Cheadle. The cost of planning consultants was estimated at £25 - £30 k, although this was subject to confirmation and had the potential to be more. A tender process would be involved.
- Continue discussions with the Local Authority about the possibility of moving to a single site. The risk associated with moving to one site was that there could be a need to borrow significant amounts of additional funds.
- Investigate options for the Marple campus. Initially any consultancy fees could be kept to a minimum.
Estates Committee agreed that the College should move forward in a way that did not prejudice the final view taken. Dialogue would continue with the Local Authority. The Corporation would need to be sure that all the proposed options were being reviewed thoroughly.
The Committee recommended for approval by Corporation that the Estates Strategy be progressed as detailed in the three options recommended by Principalship.
The recommendation of the Committee would be reported back to the consultants.
If we can reverse that flow, so that we residents do our 'big shop' here, and also attract new shoppers from neighbouring areas,
but others would open, attracted to the town by the increased 'footfall'.
I believe that the sizeable development at Aquinas cost around 15 million, so the college will be able to do quite a lot with 12 million at Buxton Lane. And if they need a bit more they should be able to borrow at faourable rates.
The danger of the college moving away from Marple is zero - I can't imagine where that nonsense came from!
CAMSFC have already stated that the revenue they receive from the sale of the Hibbert Lane site will be used to redevelop Buxton Lane. This new speculation is entirely fictional and intended merely to create FUD.
I'm only working from the latest-available minutes from the CAMSFC Estates committee, see copy of them here, on the College's site (http://www.camsfc.ac.uk/assets/file/Govenors/Minutes%20of%20meetings/Estates%2017_06_10m%20amended%20F&G%2001_12_10.pdf).
It's regrettable that the minutes for later meetings have not been published yet : their release would certainly reduce the opportunity for Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt).
Yes, it would mean more traffic in Marple, and there would inevitably need to be some road works to deal with that. On the other hand, there would be some easing of congestion elsewhere (Hazel Grove, Bredbury etc), as many of us will stop driving out of Marple to do our shopping.
To have a fair point across on Saturday when you have been doing have your petition it would of been fair if you had had one for yes to supermarket to give it chance.
I can't agree with marplexile that the town is 'dying' - far from it: I've lived here for 27 years and the town and its shops are better now than at any time during that period.
a new supermarket on Hibbert Lane could give a massive boost to Marple. As we all know, a good proportion of the 23,000 of us who live here do our main supermarket shop elsewhere, and yes, I plead guilty too!
If we can reverse that flow, so that we residents do our 'big shop' here, and also attract new shoppers from neighbouring areas, I believe we could begin to witness a revitalised town centre. Yes, some businesses would close because they can't compete with Tesco/Asda, but others would open, attracted to the town by the increased 'footfall'.
I left the stall today at 2.30 pm and we had even by that time collected over 700 signatures and people were still signing! Not bad at all for a bank holiday weekend is it ???
To have a fair point across on Saturday when you have been doing have your petition it would of been fair if you had had one for yes to supermarket to give it chance.
Start a petition/campaign then, why should those opposed to the supermarket do the job of those in favour?
700 that's brilliant! How many in total now?
i walked through Marple this afternoon and saw 3 people approached to sign who refused, personally i dont mind the supermarket as its pros outweighs its cons, also i watched the protest march and recognised about 2 or 3 people that i knew,I am Marple born and bred I work in Marple so why didn't I recognise anyone else Marple isn't the small village you keep making out.
i walked through Marple this afternoon and saw 3 people approached to sign who refused, personally i dont mind the supermarket as its pros outweighs its cons, also i watched the protest march and recognised about 2 or 3 people that i knew,I am Marple born and bred I work in Marple so why didn't I recognise anyone else Marple isn't the small village you keep making out.
Oh wouldn't it just be in the centre of residential housing?On two counts!Lyme Grove,Mount Drive,Hibbert Lane and Cotefield for one, and Buxton Lane, Peacefield, Cross Lane, Carver Road and once again Hibbert Lane on the second. Sorry if i've left any road out.Quite a way from Hollins Green Road wouldn't you say?I'm allright Jack,springs to mind. who would run a cafe/coffe shop on a dead street?Perhaps the colleges intentions were always to take the money and run?After all the principal who is selling is retiring soon,maybe to Stoke where I believe she lives or somewhere a little more exotic?
I heard today that the pro supemarket people on FaceBbook think that the Marple in action group are against another supermarket in Marple.Most people are not and agree the co-op is too expensive and needs competition.The posters say no to a supermarket on Hibbert Lane!!We don't want our town killing off with a huge supermarket.A new supermarket doen't need to be massive to give us better prices and more choice.
Can Marple in Action say whether they value having the sixth-form college in Marple? Because, if they succeed in blocking the college's development and the college WERE to decide to consolidate on the Cheadle site instead then:Being as Your questions are about the "youth" of marple going to the marple college I feel I can answer, As I i'm presently a student of CAMSFC (just enrolled).
(a) Marple's 17- and 18-year-olds will have a very long way to travel; (a Marple-Hall sixth form isn't an option; they are at capacity already);
(b) all those pie and sandwich shops relying on student footfall during the week will lose it;
(c) you will have two sites on Hibbert Lane and Buxton Lane left to the developers or just to rot.
This is all speculation, of course
But what I believe it shows is that although a new supermarket in Hibbert Lane would take some business away from other shops, this could be more tha offset by completely new business coming from people shopping in Marple who did not previously do so.
Yes JMC,If a successful competitor was to take root,the co-op could close,it has been known,then a major electrical store could move in.then perhaps a shoe shop,alternative clothes shop, we could have everything we need.But sadly the college could quite selfishly sell to a major supemarket planning permission agreed :'(
miss Marple whats with the capitals, do you really need to do that?Hi Susan no I don't need to put MARPLE or HIBBERT in capitals but for some reason best known to itself my iPad always turns those two words into capitals. So this afternoon I have been practicing and guess what I now can write Marple and Hibbert like this. I'm a twenty first century girl now ! lol ;D
Just to also let you know that to have peoples names on the facbook group they would of had to join and put that they liked the idea of the supermarket.
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Email from Paul Lawrence of SMBC to Christina (presumably Christina Cassidy, Principal of CAMSFC).
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It's good to see some of the new people here who are now voicing their opinion. Healthy debate is good for all.
I think one of the things that people need to remember is that the Marple in Action group are NOT opposed to a new supermarket. they ARE opposed to it being built on the Hibbert Lane site. It is not approved for retail development, only housing development.
Personally, I don't mind another supermarket to give the co-op some competition and to help bring their prices down. Good local shops will survive. The quality of service and produce you get from (for example) Whites & Archers is something that a supermarket will not match.
It's good to see some of the new people here who are now voicing their opinion. Healthy debate is good for all.
I think one of the things that people need to remember is that the Marple in Action group are NOT opposed to a new supermarket. they ARE opposed to it being built on the Hibbert Lane site. It is not approved for retail development, only housing development.
Personally, I don't mind another supermarket to give the co-op some competition and to help bring their prices down. Good local shops will survive. The quality of service and produce you get from (for example) Whites & Archers is something that a supermarket will not match.
The thing is, nomatter where the supermarket is built, there will always be people objecting to the same topics they are objecting about now (more traffic, pollution etc)
As I repeatedly emphasised, Steptoe, the numbers I used were purely for illustration. What matters is the underlying point: that the new Hibbert Lane supermarket could very well have a 'swings and roundabouts' effect on the other Marple shops. Some will close, but others will open in their place, because there could very well be a net increase in 'footfall' because overall there are likely to be more shoppers in Marple.
*polution not position
I have said on several posts on this thread that we need to see it from the point of view of people who can't afford to go out of town for their shopping. Nobody has really replied to it.
I have said on several posts on this thread that we need to see it from the point of view of people who can't afford to go out of town for their shopping. Nobody has really replied to it.
Well, the Greengocers sell free-range eggs at 80p per half dozen cheaper than Tesco & Sainsbury. Bread at Archers is better value than Tesco. Iceland sells a wide range of frozen food cheaper than Tesco, the Greengrocers have cheaper prices & far fresher produce than Tesco so it lasts longer. The Pound plus shop sells lots of cheaper things than Tesco. Bargain Booze has some great beer offers. THe Butchers are far fresher & better value than Tesco.
point countered
I have said on several posts on this thread that we need to see it from the point of view of people who can't afford to go out of town for their shopping. Nobody has really replied to it.
Well, the Greengocers sell free-range eggs at 80p per half dozen cheaper than Tesco & Sainsbury. Bread at Archers is better value than Tesco. Iceland sells a wide range of frozen food cheaper than Tesco, the Greengrocers have cheaper prices & far fresher produce than Tesco so it lasts longer. The Pound plus shop sells lots of cheaper things than Tesco. Bargain Booze has some great beer offers. THe Butchers are far fresher & better value than Tesco.
point countered
I don't think so. I have several children including a toddler and dragging them/him round all those shops would be a sheer nightmare! You are also assuming we all have cars to carry it all home or the time to do several trips? Much easier to do it all in one place especially if you have food allergies etc, do they do gluten free bread cheaply at archers? Is it easily accessible? One size does not fit all so your point doesn't counter the argument whatsoever I am afraid. Also dual income families don't have the luxury of a whole day to do their shopping. Pound plus is not really cheap at all but I guess price is relative depending on your income. Iceland is good but mostly junk/high fat foods-no gluten free range etc.
Also, if as you say everything is cheaper in marple, then why would a new supermarket be a threat? That doesn't make sense.
We have now got a copy of the TV coverage of the March last Sat and it is hoped that it can be linked to this site, well I hope so , I am sure someone could do this. WHAT A TEAM !!!!!Before you upload the footage to youtube or publish it make sure that the broadcaster has given you permission to use it, they can sometimes be a little "touchy" about things like that :)
MY comment i wrote before seems to have disappeared.....i will ask again
If the land on hibbert lane is only for residential building then how have the supermarkets been able to get this far with bidding?
If my post disappears again i know there is something being hidden from us....
*polution not position
MY comment i wrote before seems to have disappeared.....i will ask again
If the land on hibbert lane is only for residential building then how have the supermarkets been able to get this far with bidding?
If my post disappears again i know there is something being hidden from us....
Now let's try to estimate 'spin-off shoppers' - those who visit at least one other (local) shop during their supermarket trip. We'va already assumed that 25 percent of Co-op shoppers may do this, so that produces 500 of the Co-op's depleted number of 2,000. Now Hibbert Lane is a bit further from other shops than the Co-op is, so let's assume a cautious 10 percent (800) of Tesco/Asda shoppers also visit at least one local shop as well. That gives a weekly total of 1,300 'spin-off shoppers' in Marple - a 30 percent increase over the current estimate of 1,000.
This is all speculation, of course - just like almost everything else on this thread Cheesy And all the above numbers are purely for illustration. But what I believe it shows is that although a new supermarket in Hibbert Lane would take some business away from other shops, this could be more tha offset by completely new business coming from people shopping in Marple who did not previously do so.
MY comment i wrote before seems to have disappeared.....i will ask again
If the land on hibbert lane is only for residential building then how have the supermarkets been able to get this far with bidding?
If my post disappears again i know there is something being hidden from us....
Your post has not gone anywhere: http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=3735.msg17390#msg17390
Posts are not usually deleted unless they are offensive or personal attacks on others. These are usually replaced with an explanation, or the poster is PM'd. Posts can be hard to find again when the forum is so busy that is all that has happened to yours.
I'm not going to answer your question in full because it has been said over and over. Others can do that if they wish and it would be worth some of you meeting with Miss M. But, if it wasn't for Marple in Action you wouldn't have known about it until there were notices on lamposts around the Hibbert Lane site. The college have been conducting negotiations in secret (for years). They have forbidden employees to talk about what is happening and their supermarket planning advisers have told them that despite the site not being designated for retail that they would win at appeal as they are not breaking planning law. All these things are facts and Miss M will be able to show you evidence that the college has insisted that we remove from this site.
I know you say i would not have heard about it until the posters etc....but this has been rumoured for a few years now....looks like the rumours were true. If tesco/asda were to buy the land and they are declined planning permission...what happens then as all this anti-supermarket and pro-supermarket campaigning would all be for nothing...
Hi Mum of 2 I am more than willing to meet with you and explain where we are to date. What would be useful is if you read the Tescopoly web site and you will see what bullies supermarkets can be with SMBC planners. Tesco lost it's battle to Poynton and a Waitrose was built, but I was informed on Sat that the Waitrose is built on the land that Tesco own, which they purchased without planning, so now they will just be waiting to come in for the kill. Another thing Tesco are guilty of is purchasing land without planning permission, leaving it to rot for example turning it into a free carpark not maintaining it until residents are demanding something is done with the land, then they build.
Hi Mum of 2 I am more than willing to meet with you and explain where we are to date. What would be useful is if you read the Tescopoly web site and you will see what bullies supermarkets can be with SMBC planners. Tesco lost it's battle to Poynton and a Waitrose was built, but I was informed on Sat that the Waitrose is built on the land that Tesco own, which they purchased without planning, so now they will just be waiting to come in for the kill. Another thing Tesco are guilty of is purchasing land without planning permission, leaving it to rot for example turning it into a free carpark not maintaining it until residents are demanding something is done with the land, then they build. All the stuff is on the thread under Asda / TescoDear MM
I would suggest that if you are leading a campain for a supermarket on Hibbert Lane that you bring yourself up to speed with everything, because it's a big responsibility informing people so that they can have an informed choice because once it's done no one can turn the clock back. But having said all that I think it's fantastic that we live a democracy and are allowed to voice our opinions, so good luck in your campaign because believe me it's hard work . MM
I don't understand the Yes to a Supermarket campaign it's very confusing, do they want just another supermarket anywhere in MARPLE or a Tesco Extra type store on HIBBERT lane, they need to be clear and not confuse the community. MIA always gives a clear message which is we do not want a supermarket of that size built on the Hibbert Lane site Can anyone explain what it's about ???
From what I can gather from my "interseting" conversation I've had with them on there facebook page (other than they like swearing, alot) the campagin seems to be based on the Co-op's pricing, and the "lack of choice in local shops". They also mentioned something about not being able to get to somewhere cheaper, which is fair enough, but if you have the internet why not internet shop? You get free delivery with some places to!
I don't understand the Yes to a Supermarket campaign it's very confusing, do they want just another supermarket anywhere in MARPLE or a Tesco Extra type store on HIBBERT lane, they need to be clear and not confuse the community. MIA always gives a clear message which is we do not want a supermarket of that size built on the Hibbert Lane site Can anyone explain what it's about ???
I don't understand the Yes to a Supermarket campaign it's very confusing, do they want just another supermarket anywhere in MARPLE or a Tesco Extra type store on HIBBERT lane, they need to be clear and not confuse the community. MIA always gives a clear message which is we do not want a supermarket of that size built on the Hibbert Lane site Can anyone explain what it's about ???There is not much to understand really. We would like a supermarket on Hibbert Lane. We all have similar reasons why we would like this to go ahead but I cant speak for everyone who has joined the facebook page.
I think maybe you are reading too much into it. Some people want to do more that others to help but our only aim really is to let it be heard that we do want this to happen. You all seem so confused by the fact that some people have different opionions, and go about things in different ways.This is my cause, As this proposed development would directly impact me in a negative manner.
You should really stop reading in to it and stick to your own cause.
But how is speculating about how our group has formed and what we are about. How does that help?I'm not speculating about how it was formed or why. I'm just stating that some people say its a campaign and some people say it isn't.
But how is speculating about how our group has formed and what we are about. How does that help?
I agree that some people can do internet shopping, I do. But before I added up that it costs over 200 quid a year!! Mine varies between 4-6 pounds a week for delivery so it could top 300 quid. It's not free at all and with a large family we spend quite a lot. Not everyone can spare that money.
But how is speculating about how our group has formed and what we are about. How does that help?
Can I ask, what the aim of your group is? You must support one supermarket over another. Those who don't like the Co-op's prices are not going to like Tesco's are they?
You got yourself in a bit of a twist there.But how is speculating about how our group has formed and what we are about. How does that help?
Can I ask, what the aim of your group is? You must support one supermarket over another. Those who don't like the Co-op's prices are not going to like Tesco's are they?
Why 'must' we support one supermarket over another?? We all have our preferences. We are not all one person with one view.
But how is speculating about how our group has formed and what we are about. How does that help?
Can I ask, what the aim of your group is? You must support one supermarket over another. Those who don't like the Co-op's prices are not going to like Tesco's are they?
Why 'must' we support one supermarket over another?? We all have our preferences. We are not all one person with one view.
"come hell and high water" What in the world are you going on about. Yes ofcourse we all want a supermarket on the Hibbert Lane site but our views are bound to differ regarding size, and what type of store. I still don't understand what you aare getting at to be honest."come hell or high water" is an expression, it means that you will stop at nothing to ensure that you get what you want. For example, some people in the MIA ranks will make sure that the supermarket is not built, come hell or high water!
I have read on the latest facts ( Work starts on Buxton Lane )that residents have reported that surveyors are at work.Does anybody know if anyone asked what they were doing?I would! They could be surveying how many houses they can build on there.Lets face it £12 million wont pay for a whole new college extention.But £12 million from the Hibbert Lane site plus a sizeable amount from the sale of Buxton Lane site could pay for a large extention to an existing out of area college.Just a thought,things don't add up or do they?I was thinking that, it would have been a good idea to have asked what they were measuring up for, because it still seems strange that the work on the Peacefield site stopped. Its looking more and more like the college is going to take our money and the continuation of our children's future education in our village / town and run Now that would be a double whammy and one that we didn't see coming due to concentrating on the Hibbert Lane site and taking our eyes of the Buxton Lane campus I am sure selling gifted land is illegal and if it's not then it flipping well should be.
"come hell and high water" What in the world are you going on about. Yes ofcourse we all want a supermarket on the Hibbert Lane site but our views are bound to differ regarding size, and what type of store. I still don't understand what you aare getting at to be honest."come hell or high water" is an expression, it means that you will stop at nothing to ensure that you get what you want. For example, some people in the MIA ranks will make sure that the supermarket is not built, come hell or high water!
Considering peoples reaction to the posts on your wall You do seem to be determind, infact, one user wrote " and youve nothing to worry about but i will guarentee now that im going to do everything i can to beat the snobs in this town and get that thing built! Real talk!" that sure seems like there going to make it happen, come hell or high water!"come hell and high water" What in the world are you going on about. Yes ofcourse we all want a supermarket on the Hibbert Lane site but our views are bound to differ regarding size, and what type of store. I still don't understand what you aare getting at to be honest."come hell or high water" is an expression, it means that you will stop at nothing to ensure that you get what you want. For example, some people in the MIA ranks will make sure that the supermarket is not built, come hell or high water!
But why would you get that impression from a small facbook group?
And yes I do live on Hibbert Lane Maria
Upper or lower Hibbert lane? Also do you have children?how far is your nearest shop to YOUR house maria? How many times over the yeaes have you thought 'i need milk but the shop is quite a distance to walk'. It shouldnt matter whether sareena lives at the top bottom or even accross the road, it doesnt matter if she has no children or even 8, the fact is she wants it....thats her opinion...we struggle to understand why people cannot just accept our views
Sorry for all the questions but genuinley struggling to believe anyone would want to live facing something like a Tesco extra or Asda.
Hello mum of 2-I am asking genuine questions and Sareena does not have to answer. Why you feel compelled to is beyond me-I am not struggling to accept her view just trying to understand it and there is a difference.the reason i commented is due to the fact me and sareena are very close, we both have no transport to drive to a supermarket of our choice so we have to get what we need from marple....im not saying all shops in marple are going to be losing our custom as we will continue to shop at a good amount of the shops we already do....but we would like to have a choice to shop at another suprmarket other than the over priced co-op.
I live on Hibbert lane and walk to the local shops when I need milk. I do not use large superstores unless absolutely necessary but that is my choice.
I want another supermarket in Marple but not in the middle of a housing estate-my quetion re children related to that re safety with increased traffic etc. My question was not directed to you and like I have said Sareena does not have to answer-just simple fact finding on my part.
Hi another area has been suggested and mooted by the council-cannot remember the name as it is late and my brain is fried but it is at the back of the town near the post office-rumour is it is going and site will become available. Much more suitable in my opinion-but I accept maybe not in yours. Also the Co-op have agreed in principle to release part of the Hanburys site to a competitor-I am not convinced it would work though and feel the post office area with its car park etc would be better.i believe that the sorting office (if it were to sell) would be too small, and would just turn into a 'local' or 'express' supermarket...more of a convenience store and less of a decent sized one that people are so desperatly after. We need somewhere to do a decent sized shop with all types of brands from value/ smart price (for example) to heinz/kelloggs.
The college via informants does however have in mind the option of selling both its Marple sites and relocating elsewhere so we could end up with 2 huge stores to choose from.
very true but there are worse areas to live where gun and knife crime are at peak....nowhere in this world is EVER going to be safe, but thats just something we have to deal with and make sure we talk through the risks with our children......but how many adults can honestly say they have ran accross a busy/main road without waiting for a green man etc......i have.
Oh and I agree re the responsibility of parents re children crossing roads etc but more cars trucks etc equals more risk.
i mean how many adults can honestly say they HAVE NOT**very true but there are worse areas to live where gun and knife crime are at peak....nowhere in this world is EVER going to be safe, but thats just something we have to deal with and make sure we talk through the risks with our children......but how many adults can honestly say they have ran accross a busy/main road without waiting for a green man etc......i have.
Oh and I agree re the responsibility of parents re children crossing roads etc but more cars trucks etc equals more risk.
I agree that some people can do internet shopping, I do. But before I added up that it costs over 200 quid a year!! Mine varies between 4-6 pounds a week for delivery so it could top 300 quid. It's not free at all and with a large family we spend quite a lot. Not everyone can spare that money.
You said before, you an't walk and don't have a car. If you get the bus from one end of marple to another it's £1.25 each way. You say you take all your kids shopping so that must be 60p each on top so if you get a delivery, you have saved £2.50 for yourself & £1.20 for each offspring. Your marginal cost for delivery can be as little as 30p assuming you only have one child, if you have more than one, you are in the money.
I totally agree!! When i had my double buggy (which infact was a slim one to fit through a standard door way) i lost track of how many times i got stuck so i can understand exactly where you are coming from. Akso its hard enough going round the marple shops getting everything you need in one run and piling it onto the buggy whilst keeping tabs on your other children.....there is no way i would try getting on a bus aswel wh screaming hungry children ad gettin funny looks from the public....and even snootish remarks.....it ould be nice to have convenince of being in one place close to homeI agree that some people can do internet shopping, I do. But before I added up that it costs over 200 quid a year!! Mine varies between 4-6 pounds a week for delivery so it could top 300 quid. It's not free at all and with a large family we spend quite a lot. Not everyone can spare that money.
You said before, you an't walk and don't have a car. If you get the bus from one end of marple to another it's £1.25 each way. You say you take all your kids shopping so that must be 60p each on top so if you get a delivery, you have saved £2.50 for yourself & £1.20 for each offspring. Your marginal cost for delivery can be as little as 30p assuming you only have one child, if you have more than one, you are in the money.
Firstly, none of my kids are obese (as someone made a hint at earlier many kids being these days). They walk plenty. Have you yourself got children? Have you ever tried doing a weekly shop with them? Carried shopping for 7/8/9 people on a bus? I do walk alot but have health issues which would mean I can't carry alot of heavy shopping up a hill. If I had lots of money and more time then shopping in Marple itself would be great. However, many shops are not easily accesible with a pram, i have been tutted at before now for blocking the aisles. Iceland is impossible with a double buggy etc etc.
The college via informants does however have in mind the option of selling both its Marple sites and relocating elsewhere so we could end up with 2 huge stores to choose from.So the College is resorting to threats is it? Sounds as though they are running scared!
Firstly, none of my kids are obese (as someone made a hint at earlier many kids being these days). They walk plenty. Have you yourself got children? Have you ever tried doing a weekly shop with them? Carried shopping for 7/8/9 people on a bus? I do walk alot but have health issues which would mean I can't carry alot of heavy shopping up a hill. If I had lots of money and more time then shopping in Marple itself would be great. However, many shops are not easily accesible with a pram, i have been tutted at before now for blocking the aisles. Iceland is impossible with a double buggy etc etc.Have you tried asking independent shops to deliver? I think that you would be pleasantly surprised at the number in Marple who will do this, especially as you have a health problem. Most of those that I know don't charge from the service as they work it in with their usual journeys home or when pcking up stock.
The college via informants does however have in mind the option of selling both its Marple sites and relocating elsewhere so we could end up with 2 huge stores to choose from.
Miss M, I'm afraid your inability to provide any evidence for your 'more than just a rumour' that the college will relocate out or Marple leaves us with little alternative to regarding it as scaremongering.
The college via informants does however have in mind the option of selling both its Marple sites and relocating elsewhere so we could end up with 2 huge stores to choose from.
Seriously? You do realise that you're playing into Asda/Tesco hands with these sort of scaremongering comments!
I have no idea on the likelihood of the college selling both plots of land, but I'm very confident that if they do, we won't get two supermarkets. I can't for a second imagine that there would be a business case for, say, Tesco opening up on Buxton, if there's already an Asda on Hibbert.
It's much more likely that the land would be sold for housing development. But, if you keep scaring everybody into thinking it's going to be much much worse than it is, the plans they finally do submit will look reasonable, by comparison, and will stand a better chance of passing. And Asda/Tesco won't have had to make any compromises.
I agree that a supermarket would be much more suitable in the centre of Marple but It is the college that is selling up so i think it's pointless saying where else it could be.
Although I will not like the fact that the roads will be alot busier and less safe, this doesn't matter much to me because I have a gate to lock so my child can't get out without me.
very true but there are worse areas to live where gun and knife crime are at peak....nowhere in this world is EVER going to be safe, but thats just something we have to deal with and make sure we talk through the risks with our children......but how many adults can honestly say they have ran accross a busy/main road without waiting for a green man etc......i have.
Oh and I agree re the responsibility of parents re children crossing roads etc but more cars trucks etc equals more risk.
I think people living on Chadwick Street and Church Street would object to a supermarket being built where the sorting office is.
of corse you are entitled to an opinion and nobody is going to tell you otherwise...just as we are entitled to our opinions. i thin kwe should leave it at that before it bocomes petty argumentative opinions.very true but there are worse areas to live where gun and knife crime are at peak....nowhere in this world is EVER going to be safe, but thats just something we have to deal with and make sure we talk through the risks with our children......but how many adults can honestly say they have ran accross a busy/main road without waiting for a green man etc......i have.
Oh and I agree re the responsibility of parents re children crossing roads etc but more cars trucks etc equals more risk.
Agreed but as this is something we can have a say in and try to influence-unlike crime etc which will always happen wherever you live-I feel voicing an opinion, whether in favour or against, is something we are all entitled to do.
Have you tried asking independent shops to deliver? I think that you would be pleasantly surprised at the number in Marple who will do this, especially as you have a health problem. Most of those that I know don't charge from the service as they work it in with their usual journeys home or when pcking up stock.
As for buggies and children in shops, perhaps a "child parking area" might be a good project for shopkeepers, parents or the Methodist chapel could get together on.
I have received complaints about certain posts in this topic and they have been removed to a hidden area. As I am at work at the moment that is all I can currently do. People need to calm down, be more polite in what they post and also less ready to take offence when none may be intended. I will try to provide some guidelines about complaining later as I suspect we are going to need them. AdminThank you!
Hi it's not scaremongering, do you think I am of that low an intelligence ! This is based on the colleges financial situation, leaks from reliable people and working on this day after day , watching, questioning and evaluating.
Hi it's not scaremongering, do you think I am of that low an intelligence ! This is based on the colleges financial situation, leaks from reliable people and working on this day after day , watching, questioning and evaluating.
I think you might be missing my point. If you get everyone in Marple outraged over an unlikely (in my opinion), worst-case situation, when the actual plans are revealed, if they aren't worst-case, many people will feel like we "won" because they all feared it would be worse, and the actual planning process will be easier for Asda/Tesco etc to navigate.
However, if you get everyone outraged over more modest (and in my opinion more likely) proposals, they'll be outraged if that's what is proposed, and even more so if the proposals are worst-case.
I'm not questioning your sources. In this case, your sources are saying that the college might end up selling both sites. And they are saying that Asda (and therefore a supermarket of some description) are the preferred bidders for Hibbert Lane. No arguments from me so far. However, your sources haven't said anything about the size of any supermarket - that is all guess-work by people based on what is physically possible on the site. Your sources also haven't said that Buxton Lane would also be sold to a supermarket chain, just that they're considering it, that was conjecture on the part of Maria. It's that guess-work and conjecture that I think is potentially dangerous scaremongering.
Hi it's not scaremongering, do you think I am of that low an intelligence ! This is based on the colleges financial situation, leaks from reliable people and working on this day after day , watching, questioning and evaluating.
I think you might be missing my point. If you get everyone in Marple outraged over an unlikely (in my opinion), worst-case situation, when the actual plans are revealed, if they aren't worst-case, many people will feel like we "won" because they all feared it would be worse, and the actual planning process will be easier for Asda/Tesco etc to navigate.
However, if you get everyone outraged over more modest (and in my opinion more likely) proposals, they'll be outraged if that's what is proposed, and even more so if the proposals are worst-case.
I'm not questioning your sources. In this case, your sources are saying that the college might end up selling both sites. And they are saying that Asda (and therefore a supermarket of some description) are the preferred bidders for Hibbert Lane. No arguments from me so far. However, your sources haven't said anything about the size of any supermarket - that is all guess-work by people based on what is physically possible on the site. Your sources also haven't said that Buxton Lane would also be sold to a supermarket chain, just that they're considering it, that was conjecture on the part of Maria. It's that guess-work and conjecture that I think is potentially dangerous scaremongering.
Maria, you write 'Re the Buxton site proposals nothing is confirmed either way you are of course right but it has been confirmed a sale is being considered'.
Confirmed? By whom?
The point about a new supermarket is that it is NOT 5 or 6 miles away - it's a few hundred yards away! I honestly believe that apart from the Co-op and Iceland, the currently thriving retailers in Marple (Littlewoods, White's, Neal's, Wilson's, Hollins, Archers, the pet shop, Harmony Decor, Edel Carpets, the car spares shops and many more) have nothing to fear from Tesco or Asda and evrything to gain. As for the views of these businesses themselves, I realise that their group has come out against the supermarket, but I wonder whether all members really share that views, or whether they may be closing ranks to protect their weaker members. I was in Scotland recently: Tesco are planning a new supermarket on the edge of Fort Wiliam, and the local chamber of commerce is all in favour. Interesting contrast there!
Maria, I very much doubt whether your anonymous source is reliable. The college governors minutes quoted elsewhere on this forum clearly show that the option of consolidating all three camsfc campuses on to one site was ruled out on cost grounds. Your source may not know that - or may be one of the scaremongers, of course.
Duke, I guess we"ll just have to agree to differ as usual ;-) But you might find it instructive to pop over to Glossop some time and see how Mettrick's butchers and other local shops are doing, along the street from Tesco. They seem to be doing just fine.
I have received complaints about certain posts in this topic and they have been removed to a hidden area. As I am at work at the moment that is all I can currently do. People need to calm down, be more polite in what they post and also less ready to take offence when none may be intended. I will try to provide some guidelines about complaining later as I suspect we are going to need them. Admin
I have received complaints about certain posts in this topic and they have been removed to a hidden area. As I am at work at the moment that is all I can currently do. People need to calm down, be more polite in what they post and also less ready to take offence when none may be intended. I will try to provide some guidelines about complaining later as I suspect we are going to need them. Admin
Maybe, just maybe this is because these proprietors have been scared witless by the MIA campaignThe point about a new supermarket is that it is NOT 5 or 6 miles away - it's a few hundred yards away! I honestly believe that apart from the Co-op and Iceland, the currently thriving retailers in Marple (Littlewoods, White's, Neal's, Wilson's, Hollins, Archers, the pet shop, Harmony Decor, Edel Carpets, the car spares shops and many more) have nothing to fear from Tesco or Asda and evrything to gain. As for the views of these businesses themselves, I realise that their group has come out against the supermarket, but I wonder whether all members really share that views, or whether they may be closing ranks to protect their weaker members. I was in Scotland recently: Tesco are planning a new supermarket on the edge of Fort Wiliam, and the local chamber of commerce is all in favour. Interesting contrast there!
I think you have a rose-tinted view here Dave. The bottom line is those shops you list (and others) very much believe their business would be affected by a supermarket moving in on Hibbert La. It's their business, it''s their jobs, it's their families jobs and more than likely it's their houses on the line and they are worried.
It's all very well for someone in a cushy public sector job who's never had to worry about anything more than choosing a nice sunny day to go on strike, business owners have taken a huge risk in setting up, growing their business or only to survive, they did not counter on a large superstore opening 10 mins up the road.
I'm not so sure about your observation Littlewoods, White's, Neal's, Wilson's, Hollins, Archers, the pet shop, Harmony Decor, Edel Carpets, the car spares shops etc are all thriving. I'd not be surprised if they are finding it as hard as other retailers and worried about going bust.
You may think people will shop in an identikit superstore, walk the 5 metres to their identikit car having brought some identikt shopping and then all of a sudden think "you know, I wonder if Littlewoods have some 24 day Aberdeen Angus in?, I'll walk the 10 minutes up the road to see.!" - I'm sorry, I just don't see it. Furthermore, those who actually put their money where their mouth is don't see it that way either.
what they want. I have a friend who lives five streets away from a smaller site than HIbbert Lane and the noise at night is dreadful..... beep beep noise constantly when the delivery lorries are backing up
Maria, you write 'Re the Buxton site proposals nothing is confirmed either way you are of course right but it has been confirmed a sale is being considered'.
Confirmed? By whom?
I am sorry but the person has asked not to be named therefore I cannot say.
Hi it's not scaremongering, do you think I am of that low an intelligence ! This is based on the colleges financial situation, leaks from reliable people and working on this day after day , watching, questioning and evaluating.
I think you might be missing my point. If you get everyone in Marple outraged over an unlikely (in my opinion), worst-case situation, when the actual plans are revealed, if they aren't worst-case, many people will feel like we "won" because they all feared it would be worse, and the actual planning process will be easier for Asda/Tesco etc to navigate.
However, if you get everyone outraged over more modest (and in my opinion more likely) proposals, they'll be outraged if that's what is proposed, and even more so if the proposals are worst-case.
I'm not questioning your sources. In this case, your sources are saying that the college might end up selling both sites. And they are saying that Asda (and therefore a supermarket of some description) are the preferred bidders for Hibbert Lane. No arguments from me so far. However, your sources haven't said anything about the size of any supermarket - that is all guess-work by people based on what is physically possible on the site. Your sources also haven't said that Buxton Lane would also be sold to a supermarket chain, just that they're considering it, that was conjecture on the part of Maria. It's that guess-work and conjecture that I think is potentially dangerous scaremongering.
What I can understand is, the land was gifted to Marple people however many years ago for the education of local children. Then the government in 1993/1995 gave lands to all colleges so that they could have more control over it for the education of children, now so far that seems ok. What I don't understand is how that land can now be sold to a supermarket, if it was only given in this case to CAMSFC for education, sounds a bit fishy to me, don't you agree, because if all private colleges were allowed to do this where would that leave our children.Does this help?
i have just read the top of the page and realised you made the enquiery (i think)What I can understand is, the land was gifted to Marple people however many years ago for the education of local children. Then the government in 1993/1995 gave lands to all colleges so that they could have more control over it for the education of children, now so far that seems ok. What I don't understand is how that land can now be sold to a supermarket, if it was only given in this case to CAMSFC for education, sounds a bit fishy to me, don't you agree, because if all private colleges were allowed to do this where would that leave our children.Does this help?
If i have got it right the college holds the deed so therefore can sell to whoever they wish
Hi Marpleexile we do know for a fact that they can build on nearly 5. Something acres now then after 10 years build on the remaining 3.something acres. So we could see the development grow and grow. Once the land has been sold the owners can do basically what they want. The site is as big as the Portwood Site, I have a friend who lives five streets away from a smaller site than HIbbert Lane and the noise at night is dreadful she is always contacting the council about noise levels but the supermarket is a law unto itself. There are car alarms going off, trucks unloading, car doors slamming , noise from the freezers, beep beep noise constantly when the delivery lorries are backing up, lights so bright that her bedroom is lit up at night and an increased crime rate due to gangs of youths hanging around not to mention her road being used as a rat run at all hours of the night.
What I can understand is, the land was gifted to Marple people however many years ago for the education of local children. Then the government in 1993/1995 gave lands to all colleges so that they could have more control over it for the education of children, now so far that seems ok. What I don't understand is how that land can now be sold to a supermarket, if it was only given in this case to CAMSFC for education, sounds a bit fishy to me, don't you agree, because if all private colleges were allowed to do this where would that leave our children.
Hi Marpleexile we do know for a fact that they can build on nearly 5. Something acres now then after 10 years build on the remaining 3.something acres. So we could see the development grow and grow. Once the land has been sold the owners can do basically what they want. The site is as big as the Portwood Site, I have a friend who lives five streets away from a smaller site than HIbbert Lane and the noise at night is dreadful she is always contacting the council about noise levels but the supermarket is a law unto itself. There are car alarms going off, trucks unloading, car doors slamming , noise from the freezers, beep beep noise constantly when the delivery lorries are backing up, lights so bright that her bedroom is lit up at night and an increased crime rate due to gangs of youths hanging around not to mention her road being used as a rat run at all hours of the night.
That's my point exactly. Lets get everyone up in arms about even a small supermarket, then if it turns out the plans are for a larger one, then everyone will still be against it.
I'm just afraid that if everyone thinks Asda/Tesco are planning a portwood sized monster, they'll actually be pleased if they apply to build something more modest, and might be left with the impression that Asda/Tesco backed down and we "won" by making them compromise.
Hi Marpleexile we do know for a fact that they can build on nearly 5. Something acres now then after 10 years build on the remaining 3.something acres. So we could see the development grow and grow. Once the land has been sold the owners can do basically what they want. The site is as big as the Portwood Site, I have a friend who lives five streets away from a smaller site than HIbbert Lane and the noise at night is dreadful she is always contacting the council about noise levels but the supermarket is a law unto itself. There are car alarms going off, trucks unloading, car doors slamming , noise from the freezers, beep beep noise constantly when the delivery lorries are backing up, lights so bright that her bedroom is lit up at night and an increased crime rate due to gangs of youths hanging around not to mention her road being used as a rat run at all hours of the night.
can i ask supporters of the MIA position to explain what their plan B is please ,if i have read recent postings and understood them (no foregone conclusion) they appear to be saying the following:-
most of them seem to accept there is a need for another supermarket to compete with the coop on price and choice especially for those unable to get out of town to shop.
they do not seem to agree what size such a store should be to compete fairly with the coop ,people say anything from a corner store to something like a full blown superstore ,i think probably everyone would agree logically it has to be as big as the coop to compete
MIA supporters do not think the college site on hibbert lane is an appropriate location for a superstore for numerous reasons
MIA supporters claim numerous sites around the centre could be suitable for the superstore ,NONE suggested so far are remotely suitable ,primarily because they are too small ,there is only one site suitable physically that is the rec and i should imagine building on there would outrage MIA supporters even more than on Hibbert Lane
now "sources" who the MIA seem to have many of ,claim the college is in an even more parlous state than previously thought and rather than the sale of hibbert lane being an option it could actually be their only hope of survival in marple
if the figures to redevelop buxton lane being bandied about are even half right the sale of hibbert lane for retail use is the only thing that will generate any where enough money to pay for it ,residential use which is the obvious use for thesite will probably pay 50% of retail use ,if that in the current market
so where does that leave marple if the no camp win
1 no competition for the so called ethical coop who are abusing their monopoly to rip of people
2 potentially the college closing in marple
3 residential redevelopment on the hibbert lane and buxton lane campuses
come on MIA can you not start to put forward some positive ideas for a change instead of all the doom and gloom which just seems to justify what your opponents are saying ,for instance what about thinking the unthinkable and supping with the enemy ie the college
marple needs the college ,the college needs a shed load of money to stay in the town ,marple itself should also benefit and share in the proceeds of any sale they should not just go to the college ,such monies could be used to help improve the centre and bolster it against any effects of a superstore
now "sources" who the MIA seem to have many of ,claim the college is in an even more parlous state than previously thought....
i think the point thats been made hollins is that the big supermarket chains really dont give a toss about their neighbours or local people. The coop regardless of their high prices are historically a community organisation and still remain so. Just maybe that is why there is less impact from the coop?
Look in the "marple festival" booklet that was pushed through your door, the Co-op sponsored it!i think the point thats been made hollins is that the big supermarket chains really dont give a toss about their neighbours or local people. The coop regardless of their high prices are historically a community organisation and still remain so. Just maybe that is why there is less impact from the coop?
Can someone please supply evidence of the co-op in Marple engaging in community activities and events?
Just heard from a friend who works at the college that the Big Boys from Tesco have already been into the college (Willows) on Hibbert Lane and are in talks with planning. I do not know how true it is but I have been told that Tesco are requesting a roundabout where the newsagents is on the new road. This will involve demolishing the swimming baths (over my dead body) and the newsagents. As a sweetener to the out cry that will start once it is out there are plans to build a swimming complex on the Woodville site or in that vicinity. Hope this is just a rumour but there is usually no smoke without fire! My god ! I feel another petition coming on :P
Look in the "marple festival" booklet that was pushed through your door, the Co-op sponsored it!i think the point thats been made hollins is that the big supermarket chains really dont give a toss about their neighbours or local people. The coop regardless of their high prices are historically a community organisation and still remain so. Just maybe that is why there is less impact from the coop?
Can someone please supply evidence of the co-op in Marple engaging in community activities and events?
Sponsoring the booklet was a damn site more than the "big 4" generally do! Yes, they have those silly schemes were you spend X amount and get vouchers, but have you seen the amount of vouchers a school has to collect before they can use them? The amount is rediculous, Were taking 100 for 1 football! And even then that footballs probobly made in china by 12 year olds earning 5P a year working 20 hour shifts 7 days a week!Look in the "marple festival" booklet that was pushed through your door, the Co-op sponsored it!i think the point thats been made hollins is that the big supermarket chains really dont give a toss about their neighbours or local people. The coop regardless of their high prices are historically a community organisation and still remain so. Just maybe that is why there is less impact from the coop?
Can someone please supply evidence of the co-op in Marple engaging in community activities and events?
Right, they've sponsored a booklet. Anything slightly more impressive than that that they've done?
Sponsoring the booklet was a damn site more than the "big 4" generally do! Yes, they have those silly schemes were you spend X amount and get vouchers, but have you seen the amount of vouchers a school has to collect before they can use them? The amount is rediculous, Were taking 100 for 1 football! And even then that footballs probobly made in china by 12 year olds earning 5P a year working 20 hour shifts 7 days a week!Look in the "marple festival" booklet that was pushed through your door, the Co-op sponsored it!i think the point thats been made hollins is that the big supermarket chains really dont give a toss about their neighbours or local people. The coop regardless of their high prices are historically a community organisation and still remain so. Just maybe that is why there is less impact from the coop?
Can someone please supply evidence of the co-op in Marple engaging in community activities and events?
Right, they've sponsored a booklet. Anything slightly more impressive than that that they've done?
Tina I suggest you attend the rally and get first hand the possible plans for Marple Hall and how that may effect the college plans. Please keep this real and do not continue to try to belittle me. The invitation is still open to Mum of 2 and yourself if you want to meet with MIA I am only informing you of what our informers are informing us, how many more times do I have to reiterate this , please stop shooting the messenger.
Tina I suggest you attend the rally and get first hand the possible plans for Marple Hall and how that may effect the college plans. Please keep this real and do not continue to try to belittle me. The invitation is still open to Mum of 2 and yourself if you want to meet with MIA I am only informing you of what our informers are informing us, how many more times do I have to reiterate this , please stop shooting the messenger.
Keeping it real would entail the provision of unequivocal evidence of plans for the Hibbert Lane site. The only evidence so far appears to be anecdotal and/or circumstantial.
Tina I suggest you attend the rally and get first hand the possible plans for Marple Hall and how that may effect the college plans.
Right, so any advance on sponsoring a booklet?
This refers to the possibility that Marple Hall might apply to become an Academy, and that if they succeed, they might try to start a sixth-from. This is the irresponsible line being taken by one of our councillors, with whom I have had a recent exchange of emails. Even if that were to happen (and it's a very big 'if'!), it would be some years off, and would require substantial capital funds for building new accommodation at the school - and where would that come from? ::) Don't forget, camsfc has over 1,000 full-time equivalent students at its Marple sites - taking on that number in a new sixth-form at Marple Hall would almost double the size of the school, and would make it one of the largest schools in the UK! As Miss M herself says, 'keep it real'. It ain't going to happen......
Right, so any advance on sponsoring a booklet?
My understanding is that they are sponsors of the Marple Festival this year and last year, not just a booklet.
HWL at last we agree ! Now then, I have tried to obtain all you suggest but to no avail, do you think you could have a go ??? You may succeed where I have failed and then all the community may have a idea as to what is going on. Good Luck MM
Right, so any advance on sponsoring a booklet?
My understanding is that they are sponsors of the Marple Festival this year and last year, not just a booklet.
The cooperative group supports a number of local, national and international initiatives. I don't have the individual details, but there is a lot of stuff on the website. I did find a very interesting link on the website about the Community Fund which allocates smaller grants to local initiatives where you can search by postcode, a few in Marple came up - I'm not really sure how to add links but I'll give it a go
http://www.co-operative.coop/membership/local-communities/community-map/ (http://www.co-operative.coop/membership/local-communities/community-map/).
I work for the cooperative so I cannot claim independance, but my experience is they support their staff in involvement in volunteering work for the benefit of the community. I cannot comment further and can't enter into any discussion, but there are links on their website for Customer Relations if you want any further information.
What's the main concern is that after the governors meeting in Oct the corporation will sign with their prefered supermarket , what's worrying is this will be without planning as no plans have been submitted. So if I were to start this campaign again I would call it STOP ! LISTEN and SPEAK TO ThE COMMUNITY We all need to know whats happening and if it's so flipping good then why are the corporation not shouting how wonderful this will be for the people of MARPLE I will leave you to draw your own conclusions :-XHWL at last we agree ! Now then, I have tried to obtain all you suggest but to no avail, do you think you could have a go ??? You may succeed where I have failed and then all the community may have a idea as to what is going on. Good Luck MM
I would love to have uncovered a smoking gun MM! I trust that if there is one you will beat me to it. But until we see any plans (and by that I mean drawings, not telephone conversations) then I don't think anyone should pass absolute judgement on any of these proposals.
YouWhat's the main concern is that after the governors meeting in Oct the corporation will sign with their prefered supermarket , what's worrying is this will be without planning as no plans have been submitted. So if I were to start this campaign again I would call it STOP ! LISTEN and SPEAK TO ThE COMMUNITY We all need to know whats happening and if it's so flipping good then why are the corporation not shouting how wonderful this will be for the people of MARPLE I will leave you to draw your own conclusions :-XHWL at last we agree ! Now then, I have tried to obtain all you suggest but to no avail, do you think you could have a go ??? You may succeed where I have failed and then all the community may have a idea as to what is going on. Good Luck MM
I would love to have uncovered a smoking gun MM! I trust that if there is one you will beat me to it. But until we see any plans (and by that I mean drawings, not telephone conversations) then I don't think anyone should pass absolute judgement on any of these proposals.
The point here is that the college's finance is dependant on the number of students it recruits. Even if Marple Hall had a small sixth form of about 150 students it would still make a considerable impact on the college.
if it's so flipping good then why are the corporation not shouting how wonderful this will be for the people of MARPLE
I think there's already far too much shouting going on! ::) The college has set out its intentions clearly in this statement http://www.camsfc.ac.uk/cmsfc-about.asp?AboID=90. The benefits of the plan to the community are explained in the opening sentence: 'The current 1930s buildings at Hibbert Lane are very expensive, inefficient and inappropriate for education in the 21st century. Their annual maintenance costs continue to escalate – money which should be invested in direct teaching for the benefit of the students.'
I would Like to point out that The "YES" campaginers aren't the only ones who have been discriminated, and threatend. I know that some people in marple want a tesco, for various reasons, However, There are (atleast from the current levels of support for both sides) more people who DO NOT want a supermarket than those who DO. At the end of the day however, the only way either side is going to be able to take the upper ground is the side that yells the loudest. I would unvail my "smoking gun" with regards to the abuse that has been directed toward certain "no" campaginers by a select group of, How shall I put this, Youths(?). However, i'm not going to as that Would A. create a firestorm, and B. wouldn't achieve a constructive result.YouWhat's the main concern is that after the governors meeting in Oct the corporation will sign with their prefered supermarket , what's worrying is this will be without planning as no plans have been submitted. So if I were to start this campaign again I would call it STOP ! LISTEN and SPEAK TO ThE COMMUNITY We all need to know whats happening and if it's so flipping good then why are the corporation not shouting how wonderful this will be for the people of MARPLE I will leave you to draw your own conclusions :-XHWL at last we agree ! Now then, I have tried to obtain all you suggest but to no avail, do you think you could have a go ??? You may succeed where I have failed and then all the community may have a idea as to what is going on. Good Luck MM
I would love to have uncovered a smoking gun MM! I trust that if there is one you will beat me to it. But until we see any plans (and by that I mean drawings, not telephone conversations) then I don't think anyone should pass absolute judgement on any of these proposals.
say that if this happened again you said that you would stop and listen to the community...well its never too late, there are alot who want it, alot who dont and alot that are on both sides, unsure or just dont care. If you had listened to the whole community in the 1st place and had maybe a simple questionaire posted through every door in marple you would find that your no campaigh does not spek for the majority of marple, infact the numbers could all possibly be similar. Listening to the whole community would hav stopped lot of the outrage where the no campaigners think thecan speak on behalf of the community. I for one am discused with th comments relating to that and i know quite a few others are too.
how open will this microphone be on sarday as i feel that if anyone even suggested they were up for it they would be discriminated (like a few of the yes campaigners already have been....which for a community who are suppost to be small and supportive is discusting) or shunned away from the microphone for being brave enough to stand in front of a large crowd fighting for his/her voices to be heard over the no campaign
Sorry if i rambled...im tired.
seems like both sides are being discriminated but it does not sirprise me as there are alot of angry people with very different views. The reason there is alot of no campaigners is because your campaign is bigger than ours at the moment as we are only on facebook....for now.I would Like to point out that The "YES" campaginers aren't the only ones who have been discriminated, and threatend. I know that some people in marple want a tesco, for various reasons, However, There are (atleast from the current levels of support for both sides) more people who DO NOT want a supermarket than those who DO. At the end of the day however, the only way either side is going to be able to take the upper ground is the side that yells the loudest. I would unvail my "smoking gun" with regards to the abuse that has been directed toward certain "no" campaginers by a select group of, How shall I put this, Youths(?). However, i'm not going to as that Would A. create a firestorm, and B. wouldn't achieve a constructive result.YouWhat's the main concern is that after the governors meeting in Oct the corporation will sign with their prefered supermarket , what's worrying is this will be without planning as no plans have been submitted. So if I were to start this campaign again I would call it STOP ! LISTEN and SPEAK TO ThE COMMUNITY We all need to know whats happening and if it's so flipping good then why are the corporation not shouting how wonderful this will be for the people of MARPLE I will leave you to draw your own conclusions :-XHWL at last we agree ! Now then, I have tried to obtain all you suggest but to no avail, do you think you could have a go ??? You may succeed where I have failed and then all the community may have a idea as to what is going on. Good Luck MM
I would love to have uncovered a smoking gun MM! I trust that if there is one you will beat me to it. But until we see any plans (and by that I mean drawings, not telephone conversations) then I don't think anyone should pass absolute judgement on any of these proposals.
say that if this happened again you said that you would stop and listen to the community...well its never too late, there are alot who want it, alot who dont and alot that are on both sides, unsure or just dont care. If you had listened to the whole community in the 1st place and had maybe a simple questionaire posted through every door in marple you would find that your no campaigh does not spek for the majority of marple, infact the numbers could all possibly be similar. Listening to the whole community would hav stopped lot of the outrage where the no campaigners think thecan speak on behalf of the community. I for one am discused with th comments relating to that and i know quite a few others are too.
how open will this microphone be on sarday as i feel that if anyone even suggested they were up for it they would be discriminated (like a few of the yes campaigners already have been....which for a community who are suppost to be small and supportive is discusting) or shunned away from the microphone for being brave enough to stand in front of a large crowd fighting for his/her voices to be heard over the no campaign
Sorry if i rambled...im tired.
As I’ve previously mentioned on another post how many families with access to a car would abandon it to do the
weekly shop at a supermarket on Hibbert Lane?
Unless you lived very close to the proposed Hibbert Lane store it is some achievement to carry say 10 Bags
of Heavy Shopping any distance!!!
This is why there would in my opinion a large and dramatic increase in the traffic within the Hibbert Lane area and within Marple Centre in General.
For example if you are a family from Marple Bridge or Stockport Road to Dan Bank Area and you currently
travel to Stockport or Bredbury to do your weekly shop, would you suddenly abandon your Car to do your weekly shop at a new store in Hibbert Lane?
If the no these families would drive to the new supermarket bringing increased traffic to the centre of Marple and the Hibbert Lane area.
This does not take into account the people from outside the Marple Area who would travel to a new store.
If the proposed New store was of a substantial size I am sure Asda, Tesco or whoever would be accounting for
people to be travelling from outside Marple to use it.
At present there are probably 150 Car Parking spaces on the Hibbert Lane College site. Say at present the majority of cars arrive between 8.30 & 9 AM and leave between 3 & 3.30 PM, which is approximately 300 car movements a day.
If a new supermarket was built and there was a similar car parking for 150 cars.
For example if the car park was always full between 8 am & 10 pm at night, each car stays an average of 30 mines that would = 300 car movements
every 30 minutes i.e. 150 in & 150 out. In total there would be over 8,000 car movements a day.
I appreciate that there we don’t know how big the car park would be or how busy it would be etc.
But given that the 150 space car park is a similar size to the Co-op there could be that many car movements over a busy period.
So in my opinion there would be without doubt be a dramatic increase in traffic.
In addition there would probably be an additional set of traffic lights and therefore a busy dangerous junction similar to the one on at Stockport Road/Hollins Lane would be created which does not
exist at present, plus all the knock on affects to the general traffic in the area.
The interseting thing is that people from hazel grove, which does have a supermarket, are actually backing the No campaign,That is the general impression I get from looking on the forum, but as usual this is entirely my opinion, and is not based on any facts, juju, magic, voodoo, ancient cave markings or dilusions in any shape or form.
Just to give people Some Idea of How "slippery" the head of tesco UK's corporate affairs hes featured in this youtube video, Ironically being asked questions by a campaign trying to get tesco to close its store because its having a (very) negative effect on the local community.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df0ZK3coXYg&feature=related
Has anyone had a look at what people on the hazel grove forum are saying about the campaign(s)?
It makes for interseting reading, Including one post saying "Can we get our ASDA closed down once Marple have been cursed with one ?"
You can have a look at the forum here : http://www.hazel-grove.co.uk/forum/posts.asp?TID=2969&TPN=1
The interseting thing is that people from hazel grove, which does have a supermarket, are actually backing the No campaign, although as usual there are some people who are trying to argue otherwise, One poster actually called some of the "no" campaigners "SNOBS"!
As a side note, I've discovered that Asdas come with the following "delux" features! Handy Roadworks going on constantly, even at 3AM, to ensure that your life is as hellish as possible! They will also through in "one lane" closures during the small hours, so that you can't get out of your house!
Has anyone had a look at what people on the hazel grove forum are saying about the campaign(s)?
It makes for interseting reading, Including one post saying "Can we get our ASDA closed down once Marple have been cursed with one ?"
You can have a look at the forum here : http://www.hazel-grove.co.uk/forum/posts.asp?TID=2969&TPN=1
The interseting thing is that people from hazel grove, which does have a supermarket, are actually backing the No campaign, although as usual there are some people who are trying to argue otherwise, One poster actually called some of the "no" campaigners "SNOBS"!
As a side note, I've discovered that Asdas come with the following "delux" features! Handy Roadworks going on constantly, even at 3AM, to ensure that your life is as hellish as possible! They will also through in "one lane" closures during the small hours, so that you can't get out of your house!
It is interesting. One person said that they saw someone with a 'no' poster in their window and they were shopping at Aldi. So they found it quite hypocritical if they are not supporting local shops etc.
Has anyone had a look at what people on the hazel grove forum are saying about the campaign(s)?So When do they do the roadworks .
It makes for interseting reading, Including one post saying "Can we get our ASDA closed down once Marple have been cursed with one ?"
You can have a look at the forum here : http://www.hazel-grove.co.uk/forum/posts.asp?TID=2969&TPN=1
The interseting thing is that people from hazel grove, which does have a supermarket, are actually backing the No campaign, although as usual there are some people who are trying to argue otherwise, One poster actually called some of the "no" campaigners "SNOBS"!
As a side note, I've discovered that Asdas come with the following "delux" features! Handy Roadworks going on constantly, even at 3AM, to ensure that your life is as hellish as possible! They will also through in "one lane" closures during the small hours, so that you can't get out of your house!
I often shop at Aldi if I'm at the Gym over that way, it's not hypocritical.
Less impressive was our MP, who seemed unaware of the legal obligation on the college to sell to the highest bidder. He also repeatedly referred to the fact that SMBC would reject a planning application for retail use, without mentioning that this could then be overturned on appeal.
Yep, thats MP's for you, Jumping on the band wagon, then wondering why the band wagon's wheels fell off...
I too noticed that the MIA people avoided mentioning the likely increase in traffic, but maybe they were being quite clever. ;) Although not all MIA supporters seem to agree on every detail, the general line seems to be that a supermarket would be OK in the middle of the town (e.g Chadwick Street) but not on the edge of it. So if they had objected on the grounds of an increase in traffic, the interviewer would have said something like 'why are you against an increase in traffic on Hibbert Lane, but not in the town centre?'I take your point on how the interviewer would play devil's advocate.
"The majority of people in Marple wouldn't know that" What ever makes you think that?Of course councillors and MP's say what they like and we would be foolish to believe them.A lot of People also know about the appeal system and the the high possibility of it not being heard due to cost.Do you two think we came down in the last shower?The people on the radio didn't have the time discuss all their objections.Also people are not concerned about the increase in traffic just on Hibbert Lane.The whole of Marple would be affected if we had a large store.A smaller store in the town centre would not cause traffic mayhem.I wouldn't think that type of store would attract many people from outside the area.Don't under estimate peoples intelligence.It's hardly rocket science, and insulting >:(Less impressive was our MP, who seemed unaware of the legal obligation on the college to sell to the highest bidder. He also repeatedly referred to the fact that SMBC would reject a planning application for retail use, without mentioning that this could then be overturned on appeal.
He's playing to his audience Dave. Of course he knows that, and so do we. However, the majority of people from Marple who were listening to this wouldn't know this and would think he's firmly on the "no supermarket" side. All politicians do it, so we shouldn't really be surprised.
Yep, thats MP's for you, Jumping on the band wagon, then wondering why the band wagon's wheels fell off...
I am absolutely sure that Andrew Stunell knew what he was saying. He's been around too long to get caught up in a bandwagon. Local MPs will be entirely pragmatic about an issue like this. Andrew Stunell will continue to publicly state that the college should find another way of funding their new building. He will do this whilst knowing full well that legally they have to accept the highest bid, no matter who it comes from, or what the planning regulations are saying about the use of the land.
Therefore he will be able to say he has supported the "no" campaign which (currently) the majority of his Marple constituents seem to want. He will also be able to say (if the sale of the land goes through to a supermarket) that unfortunately the college was following its legal obligations.
I too noticed that the MIA people avoided mentioning the likely increase in traffic, but maybe they were being quite clever. ;) Although not all MIA supporters seem to agree on every detail, the general line seems to be that a supermarket would be OK in the middle of the town (e.g Chadwick Street) but not on the edge of it. So if they had objected on the grounds of an increase in traffic, the interviewer would have said something like 'why are you against an increase in traffic on Hibbert Lane, but not in the town centre?'.
Yep, thats MP's for you, Jumping on the band wagon, then wondering why the band wagon's wheels fell off...
I am absolutely sure that Andrew Stunell knew what he was saying. He's been around too long to get caught up in a bandwagon. Local MPs will be entirely pragmatic about an issue like this. Andrew Stunell will continue to publicly state that the college should find another way of funding their new building. He will do this whilst knowing full well that legally they have to accept the highest bid, no matter who it comes from, or what the planning regulations are saying about the use of the land.
Therefore he will be able to say he has supported the "no" campaign which (currently) the majority of his Marple constituents seem to want. He will also be able to say (if the sale of the land goes through to a supermarket) that unfortunately the college was following its legal obligations.
We have people on the MIA team that have come up with alternatives which have government fundingWhat are those?
Does anyone know if this is the first time a public/private college/school has been sold since John Major handed lands over ?It has happened many many times.
Where has it happened I can not find a similar situation ? But I bet I know a man who does ;)We have people on the MIA team that have come up with alternatives which have government fundingWhat are those?Does anyone know if this is the first time a public/private college/school has been sold since John Major handed lands over ?It has happened many many times.
Stopped by at the MIA gazebo in Market Street yesterday - mainly, I must admit, to shelter from a downpour! While I was browsing the leaflets, I couldn't help overhearing what one MIA person wielding a petition was saying about the college's plans - including all that stuff about the plan to use the proceeds of Hibbert Lane to develop Buxton Lane being a 'smokescreen' for the real plan, which was to move out of Marple altogether and build a new college on Jacksons Lane. And of course, people appeared to believe every word of it......... ::)
I'm not personally a supporter of MIA, because to my mind, education has to be the overriding priority. I admit that there is a valid case to be made against the college's plans - but by peddling nonsensical rumours, which have already been disproved, MIA just discredits itself.
Just one last thing Dave how have the rumours been disproved if anything the so called rumours are now taking shape. Did you now that the new road has had men sizing up and when asked were not from the council, did you know that the Buxton Lane Campus has also had planners sizing up, did you know that the Buxton Lane Campus can only build on the car park, so if they are not building up how do they intend to house the Hibbert Lane students.
And as I have said till I am blue in the face ...... If this is such a flipping good idea and will benefit my children your children and our children's , childrens education, why oh why did CAMSFC try to get it into planning without consultation with the community and why was Ms Cassidy so outraged when she found out that the plans had been leaked to the community, remember the two leaked emails that I posted on the web and CAMSFC contacted Admin to have them removed.
I have also got a leaked resignation letter from a governor who lives local who stood down because he was totally against the plans which he knew would destroy our community i have also spoken at great length to another local Governor who has stood down because of the plans and how they had tried to speak to Ms Cassidy about the impact a supermarket of that size would have in a residential area . The deputy principal of CAMSFC has also resigned after less than a year in post And surprise surprise Mr Grant (Chair of Governors ) is also standing down soon, whats that saying about leaving a sinking ship.
So once again I would ask you all to look at the facts and ask yourself, why are CAMSFC even refusing our MPs invitations to speak to the community or enter into alternative proposals for the site with SMBC and the
councillors.
Its very plain to me that CAMSFC have been caught out, because if it hadn't been for a friend of mine who
worked at the college the people of MARPLE would be non the wiser and all this would have gone ahead and the first we would have known about it was when a notice was attached to a lamp post.
So Dave I suggest that if you put more time into investigating the facts, weighing up the evidence you could develop a greater understanding of the issues and I really do feel that if you do not live near the site or will be effected by this development it is really unfair for you to continually pass poor judgement without having the facts.
Just one last thing Dave how have the rumours been disproved if anything the so called rumours are now taking shape. Did you now that the new road has had men sizing up and when asked were not from the council, did you know that the Buxton Lane Campus has also had planners sizing up, did you know that the Buxton Lane Campus can only build on the car park, so if they are not building up how do they intend to house the Hibbert Lane students.
And as I have said till I am blue in the face ...... If this is such a flipping good idea and will benefit my children your children and our children's , childrens education, why oh why did CAMSFC try to get it into planning without consultation with the community and why was Ms Cassidy so outraged when she found out that the plans had been leaked to the community, remember the two leaked emails that I posted on the web and CAMSFC contacted Admin to have them removed.
exelent posting .
I have also got a leaked resignation letter from a governor who lives local who stood down because he was totally against the plans which he knew would destroy our community i have also spoken at great length to another local Governor who has stood down because of the plans and how they had tried to speak to Ms Cassidy about the impact a supermarket of that size would have in a residential area . The deputy principal of CAMSFC has also resigned after less than a year in post And surprise surprise Mr Grant (Chair of Governors ) is also standing down soon, whats that saying about leaving a sinking ship.
So once again I would ask you all to look at the facts and ask yourself, why are CAMSFC even refusing our MPs invitations to speak to the community or enter into alternative proposals for the site with SMBC and the
councillors.
Its very plain to me that CAMSFC have been caught out, because if it hadn't been for a friend of mine who
worked at the college the people of MARPLE would be non the wiser and all this would have gone ahead and the first we would have known about it was when a notice was attached to a lamp post.
So Dave I suggest that if you put more time into investigating the facts, weighing up the evidence you could develop a greater understanding of the issues and I really do feel that if you do not live near the site or will be effected by this development it is really unfair for you to continually pass poor judgement without having the facts.
So what if people have been measuring roads and the sites? That is absolutely standard practice if you are looking to submit a major planning application - you need to survey the relevant areas to be able to make proper investigations re: infrstructure, levels, widths, etc. I would be absolutely stunned if that had not taken place. I'm afraid trying to suggest that its all a bit sinister is completely misleading.
With regards to consultation with the community - some pre-planning application consultation is encouraged but you would usually do this once you have a good idea what it is you are proposing to build. I.e. you present relatively detailed plans, visuals, facts and figures for public review and comment. CAMSFC were clearly not in any position to do this when the idea of the sheme was initially leaked (they didn't even have a purchaser for the site) so its hardly surprising that we have not had that much information from them. Since the leaks, they have had to deal with a major pressure group who see fit to rubbish anything put out in the public domain, so its hardly surprising they have been reticient to drip feed information or engage until they get all their ducks in a row.
Ultimately, even if we do end up having to wait until notices of an application go up on lamposts, the formal planning consultation stage will be substantive (at least 3 months) and we will have plenty of opportunity to read all relevant documentation and prepare a response. Given that SMBC have already stated that major retail use would be against the local plan designation of the site and that they would refuse it, this effectively means that MIA have won the initial battle at least. If CAMSFC do ultimately take matters to appeal, its unlikley that we will have any decision until the towards the end of next year at the earliest. Its going to be a long haul for all parties.
Think what you like about Dave's responses. I find them measured, thoughtful and seeking to cut through a lot of the hysteria that has been generated regarding the proposals. If you are going to stop publishing 'rumours', due to the fact that he questions their validity, then I don't think that this messageboard will be any the worse for that and I don't feel that I would be any worse informed. If you or MIA decide to stop posting well researched and evidenced 'facts' (which I don't see Dave taking issue with) then yes, we will have all lost out.
Facts are still quite light on the ground in this saga, but supposition and "2+2=5", is very evident. The community should be able to make up their minds up on whatever scheme is finally submitted, and not a 'virtual' scheme put about by those who fear the worst. In the information vacuum, I'm still holding my breath......
Thanks for that Tina ! One of my first calls will be to Stockport senior planners on Monday because that's where the information has come from. I will also speak to Ms Cassidy's PA and find out why they have mis informed you, did you give your name to CAMSFC so I can identify you ? as this is important and the truth needs to be out.
Thanks for that . And I know it really gets on my wick when people hide behind a name ! Did you hear that Trixe Stirup lol ;)Thanks for that Tina ! One of my first calls will be to Stockport senior planners on Monday because that's where the information has come from. I will also speak to Ms Cassidy's PA and find out why they have mis informed you, did you give your name to CAMSFC so I can identify you ? as this is important and the truth needs to be out.
Yes ofcause I gave my name, I don't hide behind a made up name. I used my own personal email address.
Dave as we have informed you before all our information comes from leaked sources so I think the time has now come for MIA to stop posting on this site
it is really unfair for you to continually pass poor judgement without having the facts.
I agree :-\.
Alright, there seems to be some confusion as to what the college has told students,
well, as a student at CAMSFC I shall settle this.
At the induction assembly the head of faculty Told us that "there is no current sale, anything that does happen will be in the best interests of the students, and that The college has no plans to tesco"
Hope that clears that one up ;)
"there is no current sale.............The college has no plans to tesco"
Just returned from a demonstration outside the college where we were shown lots of support not only from the community, passing traffic but from college staff and students. What was quite concerning was that the students we spoke to were saying that the college is not being sold and that they had been told that by the college. It's all very strange so if this is for the benefit of our community and most importantly our children's future education why are we all not rejoicing and why does the college not inform it's staff, teachers and students. Sorry I smell a rat call me what you will but anyone with an ounce of intelligence must see that this is a surreal situation.
NB before someone says how would you expect the corporation to speak to MIA given our opposition, the corporation has had many opportunities to speak to other organisations but continually refuses WHY !
It could be deemed as similar to, I don't know, The "yes" campaigners going to a MIA meeting?
No doubt this morning's demo was indeed for the benefit of ofsted, but it will have achieved nothing. As we know, the inspectors were not impressed by the Hibbert Lane premises on their last visit, and they will be expecting the college to have addressed their concerns. The fact that there is a bit of local opposition will neither surprise them nor concern them.
Just returned from a demonstration outside the college where we were shown lots of support not only from the community, passing traffic but from college staff and students. What was quite concerning was that the students we spoke to were saying that the college is not being sold and that they had been told that by the college. It's all very strange so if this is for the benefit of our community and most importantly our children's future education why are we all not rejoicing and why does the college not inform it's staff, teachers and students. Sorry I smell a rat call me what you will but anyone with an ounce of intelligence must see that this is a surreal situation.
NB before someone says how would you expect the corporation to speak to MIA given our opposition, the corporation has had many opportunities to speak to other organisations but continually refuses WHY !
Was the demonstaration for the benefit of ofsted? how low can you go?
Well not that low in comparison to some. MIA resisted the use of shotguns,tools,fireworks and spamming.People in glass houses should not throw stones!!Thats deffo is huz wiv me? I do realise a lot of people will not have seen where The above delightful piece of creative writing came from. You don't need to,it's sickening >:(
You still took part in a meeting which had been set up by the other side ;)
But anyway, the fact of the matter is that the demonstration went ahead whilst ofsted were at the college, Although I think most of the inspectors were busy in interviews.
It could be deemed as similar to, I don't know, The "yes" campaigners going to a MIA meeting?
Not quite Daniel, we was invited to attend. And did not make a nuisence of ourselves or have a demonstration
I read somewhere on this forum that they were 10 of them, thats a 40% increase! (or buy 6, get 4 free) <-- sorry, couldn't resist :PNo it said that there were ten at the photo shoot on Sat , picture coming soon !
I read somewhere on this forum that they were 10 of them, thats a 40% increase! (or buy 6, get 4 free) <-- sorry, couldn't resist :PNo it said that there were ten at the photo shoot on Sat , picture coming soon !
Just been to Question Time at Buxton Lane Campus it was very enjoyable even though I didn't join in the debate. The panel were very informative especially when it came to debating the proposed sale of the Hibbert Lane Campus lots of intresting points were raised by the panel and like wise the questions from the audience were well thought out, and received well thought out responses All in all it was a very interesting and productive debate and provided a lot of useful information for MIA ;)
I am not sure that you could find anyone who would agree that Whaley Bridge's shops have improved since Tesco arrived. Glossop had strong local independents before Tesco and contiues to do so. Buxton is a larger town than either of these others (and Marple) and the main street remains a depressing retail experience in a historic town that should be able to rival Harrogate.
Glossop had strong local independents before Tesco and contiues to do so.
Buxton is a larger town than either of these others (and Marple) and the main street remains a depressing retail experience in a historic town that should be able to rival Harrogate.
I must admit to be both wrong and surprised at the relative population sizes of Buxton compared to Marple and Harrogate. I think my mistake come sfrom a perception of each town. Buxton has a Morrisons, waitrose, marks and Spencer and a Tesco, so you could be forgiven for thinking it had a larger population.
I was in Ashbourne last Saturday, now theres another place to consider when it comes to a healthy set of local shops sitting side by side with two supermarkets ( sainsbury and waitrose) but then again Ashnourne like Buxton is a Market Town supporting a larger hinterland of country.
Well done on the song lyrics, but there is absolutely zero evidence that a supermarket on Hibbert Lane would sound the death knell of the town centre in favour of more big chains.
I am not sure that you could find anyone who would agree that Whaley Bridge's shops have improved since Tesco arrived. Glossop had strong local independents before Tesco and contiues to do so. Buxton is a larger town than either of these others (and Marple) and the main street remains a depressing retail experience in a historic town that should be able to rival Harrogate.
I would have agreed that Buxton was the larger of the above towns, but a quick check reveals the following populations:
Glossop 32,428
Marple 23,480
Buxton 20,836
Whaley Bridge 6,226
All figures taken from the 2001 census (the latest available to me).
Not that it makes any difference at all. Just interesting.
Despite the title Tesco Law, the supermarket has said it has "no current plans to offer legal services". But the Co-operative was among the first stores to say it was interested in offering a legal business.
Well done on the song lyrics, but there is absolutely zero evidence that a supermarket on Hibbert Lane would sound the death knell of the town centre in favour of more big chains.
There's some similarities here to Stalybridge, which was "blessed" with a Tesco on the edge of town a few years ago. Remaining shops mostly closed down, or became pubs / betting offices / kebab shops.
The sad state of Stalybridge Town Centre (http://tamesidecitizen.blogspot.com/2010/06/sad-state-of-stalybridge-town-centre.html)
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Well done on the song lyrics, but there is absolutely zero evidence that a supermarket on Hibbert Lane would sound the death knell of the town centre in favour of more big chains.
There's some similarities here to Stalybridge, which was "blessed" with a Tesco on the edge of town a few years ago. Remaining shops mostly closed down, or became pubs / betting offices / kebab shops.
The sad state of Stalybridge Town Centre (http://tamesidecitizen.blogspot.com/2010/06/sad-state-of-stalybridge-town-centre.html)
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I don't think a picture of a deserted town centre proves anything. It could have been taken on a Sunday.
Here's Marple's Market Street, on the run up to Christmas, with the shops open.
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Not a soul to be seen.
whatever does come to pass no one will know what would have happened under the alternative scenario.
It's good to see this potential local shop closures issue being debated properly. A central plank of MIA's campaign seems to be that such closures would be inevitable. Yet there is no hard and fast evidence to prove this point. I would trust the Tescopoly campaign on this no more than I would trust the PR departments of this country's biggest retailers, probably less so in fact. But that's my own opinion based somewhat on political leanings.I agree henry!!.
So apologies for raising the term 'scare-mongering' again but those on the No side seem to have been convinced that the town centre would be a ghost town soon after the opening of any new supermarket on Hibbert Lane. I was struck at the rally in the park by how widely this crystal ball gazing has been accepted as an incontrovertible truth, when my own eyes tell me that there are many towns close to us that support large supermarkets (slightly out of the town centre) and thriving local shops.
Sadly we can't clone Marple and run a parallel universe type experiment, so whatever does come to pass no one will know what would have happened under the alternative scenario.
Anyway, off topic slightly but I'm looking forward to popping into the co-op soon for all my legal needs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15187154 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15187154)QuoteDespite the title Tesco Law, the supermarket has said it has "no current plans to offer legal services". But the Co-operative was among the first stores to say it was interested in offering a legal business.
It's good to see this potential local shop closures issue being debated properly. A central plank of MIA's campaign seems to be that such closures would be inevitable. Yet there is no hard and fast evidence to prove this point. I would trust the Tescopoly campaign on this no more than I would trust the PR departments of this country's biggest retailers, probably less so in fact. But that's my own opinion based somewhat on political leanings.I agree henry!!.
So apologies for raising the term 'scare-mongering' again but those on the No side seem to have been convinced that the town centre would be a ghost town soon after the opening of any new supermarket on Hibbert Lane. I was struck at the rally in the park by how widely this crystal ball gazing has been accepted as an incontrovertible truth, when my own eyes tell me that there are many towns close to us that support large supermarkets (slightly out of the town centre) and thriving local shops.
Sadly we can't clone Marple and run a parallel universe type experiment, so whatever does come to pass no one will know what would have happened under the alternative scenario.
Anyway, off topic slightly but I'm looking forward to popping into the co-op soon for all my legal needs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15187154 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15187154)QuoteDespite the title Tesco Law, the supermarket has said it has "no current plans to offer legal services". But the Co-operative was among the first stores to say it was interested in offering a legal business.
As well as scaremongering, i yet again bring up the point about MIAs constant contradictions. They dont want a supermarket on hibbert lane as they believe marple wouldbe a ghost town.....yet they feel one smack bang in the town centre is acceptable......confused? Arnt we all!!
Well there are no more meetings or talks planned todate by MIA, with anyone or anybody until after the governors meeting on 17th Oct so let's all wait and see what happens ! You could say MIA are conserving their energy ;)
No we have no plans to attend ?
No we have no plans to attend ?
Sorry must be a mistake. maybe I need glasses!
MIA would welcome a new supermarket within the district centre of Marple to provide competition for the Co-op and choice for local residents. This would bring more people into Marple which can only be seen as a good thing for the community and local businesses. Hope that helps clarify things - I don't know how else to make it clearer ???
No we have no plans to attend because the governors are not attending so it would be a waste of time, all our questions have been answered by the councillors and planners so it's not worth turning people out to hear what they already know, so unless Ms Cassidy and the corporation agree to attend, which to date they have not but if they do decide to enter into a question and answer session we will be there !
Ah come to the meeting Dave if you need answers because I will be getting my questions answered have no doubt about that !MIA would welcome a new supermarket within the district centre of Marple to provide competition for the Co-op and choice for local residents. This would bring more people into Marple which can only be seen as a good thing for the community and local businesses. Hope that helps clarify things - I don't know how else to make it clearer ???
I think what confuses some of us is that one of MIA's main reasons for campaigning against a supermarket on Hibbert Lane is that it would cause greatly increased traffic congestion in Marple. But surely that's no different from what would happen if the supermarket were right in the centre of the shopping area.
MIA would welcome a new supermarket within the district centre of Marple to provide competition for the Co-op and choice for local residents. This would bring more people into Marple which can only be seen as a good thing for the community and local businesses. Hope that helps clarify things - I don't know how else to make it clearer ???
I think what confuses some of us is that one of MIA's main reasons for campaigning against a supermarket on Hibbert Lane is that it would cause greatly increased traffic congestion in Marple. But surely that's no different from what would happen if the supermarket were right in the centre of the shopping area.
No we have no plans to attend because the governors are not attending so it would be a waste of time, all our questions have been answered by the councillors and planners so it's not worth turning people out to hear what they already know, so unless Ms Cassidy and the corporation agree to attend, which to date they have not but if they do decide to enter into a question and answer session we will be there !
Sorry It should have read (I must need glasses). MIA will be attending if it is a question and answer session with the corporation, Ms Cassidy , planners and elected members. As we don't think Ms Cassidy and the corporation will attend, as they have not responded to anyone not even the councillors We will be attending to get questions which have recently come to light answered by planners and councillors and this time we want answers not a lecture or a debate, time is ticking !
MIA would welcome a new supermarket within the district centre of Marple to provide competition for the Co-op and choice for local residents. This would bring more people into Marple which can only be seen as a good thing for the community and local businesses. Hope that helps clarify things - I don't know how else to make it clearer ???
I think what confuses some of us is that one of MIA's main reasons for campaigning against a supermarket on Hibbert Lane is that it would cause greatly increased traffic congestion in Marple. But surely that's no different from what would happen if the supermarket were right in the centre of the shopping area.
If a new supermarket were to open within the district centre it would have to be considerably smaller than what could potentially be built on a 8.5 acre site so would not draw as many people from surrounding areas and therefore not increase traffic as much as a larger store on Hibbert Lane would do.
I am sure if it was offensive Admin would not have put it on.
I would ask everyone to consider where would our children's education be if all 6th form colleges were allowed to dispose of land?
MIA would welcome a new supermarket within the district centre of Marple to provide competition for the Co-op and choice for local residents. This would bring more people into Marple which can only be seen as a good thing for the community and local businesses. Hope that helps clarify things - I don't know how else to make it clearer ???
I think what confuses some of us is that one of MIA's main reasons for campaigning against a supermarket on Hibbert Lane is that it would cause greatly increased traffic congestion in Marple. But surely that's no different from what would happen if the supermarket were right in the centre of the shopping area.
If a new supermarket were to open within the district centre it would have to be considerably smaller than what could potentially be built on a 8.5 acre site so would not draw as many people from surrounding areas and therefore not increase traffic as much as a larger store on Hibbert Lane would do.
It wouldn't actually be a supermarket. It would be a large convenience store at best (and there are plenty of those already). There is no room for another supermarket in the centre of Marple. So when MIA say 'we don't mind another supermarket in Marple just not on Hibbert Lane' what they really mean is 'we don't want another supermarket in Marple on the only currently feasible site where one could be built.' Ergo 'we don't want another supermarket in Marple'.
If only there was a Marple councillor in the management team at the college. :-\
Oh wait, here we are : Councillor Shan Alexander ;D
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Declaration of interests here (http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=117&T=6).
Profile and contact details here (http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=117).
Here is a reply from Cllr Alexander received in October 2006 in response to rumours that the land was to be sold:
Sale of land
Cheadle and Marple 6th form College has no intention of selling any land at present. They have asked for a feasibility study on the buildings at both sites. This is to look at the viability or otherwise of running a college on one site and to look at building a college of the future, fit for purpose to achieve the highest standards for students, teacher and all concerned. There has been no planning application sent to the planners at the council.
This was posted on the web site at the time here: http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=1216.msg4586#msg4586
Here is a reply from Cllr Alexander received in October 2006 in response to rumours that the land was to be sold:
Sale of land
Cheadle and Marple 6th form College has no intention of selling any land at present. They have asked for a feasibility study on the buildings at both sites. This is to look at the viability or otherwise of running a college on one site and to look at building a college of the future, fit for purpose to achieve the highest standards for students, teacher and all concerned. There has been no planning application sent to the planners at the council.
This was posted on the web site at the time here: http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=1216.msg4586#msg4586
Perhaps it's merely an oversight on her / Stockport Council's behalf, but her profile on the council site lists Shan as still acting in a management role at the college. It's dated June 2006.
http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=117&T=6 (http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=117&T=6), as linked from http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=117 (http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=117)
I stand to be corrected ! But doesn't that mean that CAMSFC were looking at moving to one building before the Skills Council stopped funding.
Last night was awful in my opinion! You behaved like children trying to score points. The whole point of the meeting was for the planning department to inform you there has been no planning applications made and what the process was once it is. The meeting took nearly 2 hours in which to be honest could of been wrapped up in an hour! You all asked the same questions. There was genuine questions from residents which was answered and I hope they went away feeling relieved. The question about the swimming baths again was answered no plans have been submitted to them and IF said supermarket was planning on doing so NO compulsory orders will be made as it is NOT the council who would want it. I was told last night that I am making a fool of myself on this forum, infact I wasn't told I was shouted at! I asked that person not to shout at me and his wife told me not to worry that's how he speaks to people. Well I'm sorry I don't wish to be shouted at, so please don't approach me again.
I feel I have just as much right to my own opinion as the next person, and would never try to publically humiliate anyone. when the yes group attended the rally in the park we stood and listened to everything said and didn't shout out during. Last night Gary spoke on behalf of the yes group and he was heckled from start to finish. It was disgusting. You are adults but behaved like children!
Last night was awful in my opinion! You behaved like children trying to score points. The whole point of the meeting was for the planning department to inform you there has been no planning applications made and what the process was once it is. The meeting took nearly 2 hours in which to be honest could of been wrapped up in an hour! You all asked the same questions. There was genuine questions from residents which was answered and I hope they went away feeling relieved. The question about the swimming baths again was answered no plans have been submitted to them and IF said supermarket was planning on doing so NO compulsory orders will be made as it is NOT the council who would want it. I was told last night that I am making a fool of myself on this forum, infact I wasn't told I was shouted at! I asked that person not to shout at me and his wife told me not to worry that's how he speaks to people. Well I'm sorry I don't wish to be shouted at, so please don't approach me again.This is a gross exaggeration!There was a small amount of heckling probably due to fact that one of the two yes people who spoke from the front. Said that the Yes people watch and report back where people shop and what bags they are carrying.who do you think you are? The shopping police?If I am working in Cheadle and I want to shop in my lunch break or on the way home I will do!What exactly is your campaign?You direct people to a social networking site full of childish ramblings for example."I saw this"and "I saw that". "You should of seen their faces" "An MIA man had a butchers bag in Stockport"Pathetic!! Grow up!You do yourselves no favours.If I wanted to support you what is your strategy?where is your direction?You leave yourselves open to ridicule. I truly felt sorry for you both eventhough my pity would almost certainly be rebuked. Your fairweather supporters let you both down badly :o
I feel I have just as much right to my own opinion as the next person, and would never try to publically humiliate anyone. when the yes group attended the rally in the park we stood and listened to everything said and didn't shout out during. Last night Gary spoke on behalf of the yes group and he was heckled from start to finish. It was disgusting. You are adults but behaved like children!
Last night was awful in my opinion! You behaved like children trying to score points. The whole point of the meeting was for the planning department to inform you there has been no planning applications made and what the process was once it is. The meeting took nearly 2 hours in which to be honest could of been wrapped up in an hour! You all asked the same questions. There was genuine questions from residents which was answered and I hope they went away feeling relieved. The question about the swimming baths again was answered no plans have been submitted to them and IF said supermarket was planning on doing so NO compulsory orders will be made as it is NOT the council who would want it. I was told last night that I am making a fool of myself on this forum, infact I wasn't told I was shouted at! I asked that person not to shout at me and his wife told me not to worry that's how he speaks to people. Well I'm sorry I don't wish to be shouted at, so please don't approach me again.This is a gross exaggeration!There was a small amount of heckling probably due to fact that one of the two yes people who spoke from the front. Said that the Yes people watch and report back where people shop and what bags they are carrying.who do you think you are? The shopping police?If I am working in Cheadle and I want to shop in my lunch break or on the way home I will do!What exactly is your campaign?You direct people to a social networking site full of childish ramblings for example."I saw this"and "I saw that". "You should of seen their faces" "An MIA man had a butchers bag in Stockport"Pathetic!! Grow up!You do yourselves no favours.If I wanted to support you what is your strategy?where is your direction?You leave yourselves open to ridicule. I truly felt sorry for you both eventhough my pity would almost certainly be rebuked. Your fairweather supporters let you both down badly :o
I feel I have just as much right to my own opinion as the next person, and would never try to publically humiliate anyone. when the yes group attended the rally in the park we stood and listened to everything said and didn't shout out during. Last night Gary spoke on behalf of the yes group and he was heckled from start to finish. It was disgusting. You are adults but behaved like children!
The video will be on SMBC web sight soon it is reported that they have had some technical difficulties ? Now I wonder what that could be ? Suspicious ! Me never :-\. I take it all back as it is now on this and SMBC site and it's not been edited. Just wish I had had my hair done :-*
The video will be on SMBC web sight soon it is reported that they have had some technical difficulties ? Now I wonder what that could be ? Suspicious ! Me never :-\In all fairness the stockport website servers date back to the dark ages, so its not supprising they've gone bang ::)
Miss M's relentless vilification of our college principal makes entertaining reading. However, is is entirely misplaced. Major issues such as the acquisition or disposal of land or property are the reponsibility of the governing body. They would not be allowed to delegate them to the principal.I bet she's shaking in her boots with worry. Whilst you are right in some of the things you say, I fear on others you are selective Are you standing for governor by any chance or have any other interests in CAMSFC ???
Miss M's relentless vilification of our college principal makes entertaining reading. However, is is entirely misplaced. Major issues such as the acquisition or disposal of land or property are the reponsibility of the governing body. They would not be allowed to delegate them to the principal.And also Daves relentless vilifiication of Miss M and anything related to a large group of people who are against a supermarket on Hibbert Lane. ::)
Miss M's relentless vilification of our college principal makes entertaining reading. However, is is entirely misplaced. Major issues such as the acquisition or disposal of land or property are the reponsibility of the governing body. They would not be allowed to delegate them to the principal.And also Daves relentless vilifiication of Miss M and anything related to a large group of people who are against a supermarket on Hibbert Lane. ::)
AND if he was .then what .Miss M's relentless vilification of our college principal makes entertaining reading. However, is is entirely misplaced. Major issues such as the acquisition or disposal of land or property are the reponsibility of the governing body. They would not be allowed to delegate them to the principal.I bet she's shaking in her boots with worry. Whilst you are right in some of the things you say, I fear on others you are selective Are you standing for governor by any chance or have any other interests in CAMSFC ???
It's here:
http://buto.tv/769p2 (http://buto.tv/769p2)
As I've said before, I've got no connection with the college other that two of our children went there a few years ago. 'Selective'? Give me an example.OK here's one of many ! There are two other requirement that the YPLA require ! Best value is only one and even this can be challenged by the other two requirements but you must i feel already know this, so this is why I feel at times you are selective with your information ;)
As I've said before, I've got no connection with the college other that two of our children went there a few years ago. 'Selective'? Give me an example.OK here's one of many ! There are two other requirement that the YPLA require ! Best value is only one and even this can be challenged by the other two requirements but you must i feel already know this, so this is why I feel at times you are selective with your information ;)
The yes group just wanted to highlight that MIA are asking people to support the local shops but then themselves shop outside of Marple, shopping in shops what are already in Marple. Its funny how someone asks you a reasonable question but you choose not to answer it but instead point the finger at the yes group.Firstly, I don't think that people have to say where they shop,wether it be Marple,out of town or both unless they want to.I wouldn't say MIA constantly shout Save our local shops,They do not want a supermarket on Hibbert Lane which would help the survival of the shops we have now.When I went to the dentist in Hyde last week I bought some shampoo from Superdrug,Shoot me now!the Marple branch may have to close.How do you know the people you see shopping out of Marple are against a supermarket on Hibbert Lane,do they have a blue spot on their foreheads?This spying business is just crazy and whats more hilarious ;D
Even though I have given you details of my shopping habits, this is not what the NO campaign is about. The NO campaign is about, increased traffic , loss of local shops, noise and light pollution, change of possible infer structure, loss of an education site and much, much more.
We live in a democracy and enjoy the freedom that affords us. I can assure people 100% that in supporting MIA your shopping outside of Marple is not an issue. I feel this debate is becoming very childish and trying to score points regarding people shopping habits is stupid.
Im on the fence at the moment but I do think that Tina has raised an important point. I myself witnessed a Tesco delivery van taking shopping into a house on Hibbert Lane that has a NO poster in their window and I know someone else was driving along Hibbert Lane and saw another NO resident carrying Tesco bags from their car boot. It could be argued that this is very hypocritical and nimbyish, they don't want a supermarket yards from their own home but they are happy to travel to another town where a supermarket is built only yards from other peoples homes. MIA might be quick to say that these observations are petty but I see it as they are skirting around an important issue that needs to be addressed.
Whenever I'm walking around Marple, I always see Sainsburys, Asda, Ocado and Tesco delivery vans which are a sign that Marple does need another supermarket.
I am against a supermarket on Hibbert Lane not supermarkets, home delivery, or people shopping where they want to shop. I think you may need to watch the area Committee video and you will find that it's the Yes campaign that have been monitoring peoples shopping habits not MIA ;)I noticed you managed to avoid answering my question were you shop .tesco asda sainsburys waitrose .come on which supermarket do you use .
Flipping heck Amazon I have just given enough information about myself that I am at high risk of identity fraud :D. I mainly shop in coop in my lunch hour, get my veg from Johns or Wilson's. I bake my own bread and cakes (earth mother) get milk from Iceland. I do not eat meat or fish but when family visit I get smoked English bacon from whites( no added water) and sausage and depending which butcher is nearest I purchase meat from either Littlewoods or Whites. If it's Friday and family are visiting I get fish from the fish man at the side of the Bull and I buy wine from Toast or the Coop.Briliant reply ;) like you humour .
I go to Town at weekends on the train and Stockport on the bus and do some ME shopping ! I have to drive all week so it's great taking my granddaughter on the bus and train and also the tram when I visit family in Salford a day return is such fantastic value.
On a Friday or mainly Sat night I get the last train from Rose Hill with a group of friends and we party in big city, get the 192 to the Grove on the way home and a taxi to Marple from Blue Line also in the Grove
Why do you want to know Amazon are you continually on the hunt like me for Carte Noire coffee on offer if so Tesco have a great deal on now but it is not as cheap as it was in the Coop three weeks ago. :-*
Support your local traders they say and then go shopping at ALDI in Romiley as they did this afternoon, but they did not let on to me!, mind you the Veg. is cheap there.
Well, I don't Know,all this fuss and HooHar, I just wonder how many of the MIA will never shop in the superstore when it comes!, in fact it's arrival could well be a favourable consideration in me moving back to Marple.Why would people who know you ignore you?Did you let on to them?Very strange.
Support your local traders they say and then go shopping at ALDI in Romiley as they did this afternoon, but they did not let on to me!, mind you the Veg. is cheap there.
Love You!
Guess who's got a planning application in to build more buildings , yes it's CAMSFC but on their Cheadle Campus :o. Now the plot thickens or is it just me ???
Wheres the money coming from I thought CAMSFC had no money hence the need to sell Hibbert Lane Am I missing something here ???
Now the plot thickens or is it just me ???
Now the plot thickens or is it just me ???
No, it's just you, Miss M. The plot isn't thickening, because there isn't a plot. There's just a college going about its lawful business doing its best to improve its facilities, at a challenging time when there is no government capital for college estates.
They haven't handled everything as well as they might have done, but then, which of us is perfect? In particular, they could, with hindsight, have communicated their plans more clearly and promptly to the people of Marple. But apart from that, they seem to be doing what they can to make sure that in future our kids and grandkids have decent facilities to study in. That's all.
Guess who's got a planning application in to build more buildings , yes it's CAMSFC but on their Cheadle Campus :o. Now the plot thickens or is it just me ???
Guess who's got a planning application in to build more buildings , yes it's CAMSFC but on their Cheadle Campus :o. Now the plot thickens or is it just me ???
::) Construction of two single storey extensions and free-standing canopies, together with hard landscaping works.
Here's a link to the application form.. http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/getimage.asp?DocumentNumber=172217 (http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/getimage.asp?DocumentNumber=172217)
and the plans http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/mvmedrms.asp?DCNumber=DC048416 (http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/mvmedrms.asp?DCNumber=DC048416)
£90 million is a drop in the ocean when shared among all the sixth form and FE colleges in England, so our college did well to get as much as they did. Although no doubt that is also a reflection of the relatively poor condition of some of their estate, compared with many other colleges.My heart bleeds for them ! Tell you what ! Let's have a whip round ? Oh silly me we have all ready given them 8.5 acres with facilities >:(
Why so bitter Miss Marple ? Is not the future children's/young folks education worthy of a much needed update ?No loss of curriculum is a major factor and job losses. Oh yes it's true you and I didn't have 8.5 acres ! We had more because the Buxton Lane site was a gift to the people of Marple ! Thanks for reminding me ;)
And as far as I know, I didn't have 8.5 acres.
loss of curriculum is a major factor and job losses.
Mr Goddard repeated his pledge at that meeting that the Council will:Until they are offered new this new that then things change
•REFUSE PLANNING PERMISSION FOR A SUPERMARKET ON HIBBERT LANE
•FIGHT ANY APPEALS TO THEIR CONCLUSION
At what cost to the resident council tax payers
Sorry Amazon, could you repeat your comment please, I am a little confused?
Councillor Craig Wright said the plan to put a supermarket at Cheadle & Marple Sixth Form College had opened a 'Pandora's Box' in Marple. “If we're going to have a supermarket it would be better if we could do it somewhere where we can have control over what is happening,” he said.
Councils can always put conditions on any planning consent, wherever it is.
Yes and give us a real supermarket.
Does anyone else find it distasteful that one of Marple's several co-ops is currently displaying a Marple in Action 'NO' poster in its window?
Does anyone else find it distasteful that one of Marple's several co-ops is currently displaying a Marple in Action 'NO' poster in its window?Huh? what other coops are there?
No it's because they have always been in Marple ! Believe it or not we have far less Coop owned buildings than when I was young because then Marple was the CoopHi Miss Marple <waves>
I was interested to read the latest MIA newsletter on the on the 'Latest News' thread: http://www.marple-in-action.org.uk/MIAnewsletterDec2011.pdf
It provides a useful update on the issues surrounding camsfc's proposals to improve their facilities. It is, for the most part, balanced and reasonable, but then there is a suggestion that readers might write to Asda telling them that they are not welcome, and at this point things go seriously amiss!
As we all know, the college is planning to sell off one of its sites, with its poor-quality buildings which were designed for a different purpose and are expensive to run, and use the proceeds to replace those buildings on its other site.
So we good people of Marple are invited by MIA to write to ASDA as follows: ' I read that your company is planning to buy Cheadle and Marple Sixth Form College, demolish it and build a supermarket.....I am both shocked and amazed. The shock is from learning that we now live in a country that closes schools to open supermarkets. My amazement is that a company such as yours... would ever dream about becoming involved in such a sad and shameful story..... you may well choose to persist in the plan to destroy an institute of education and build yet another of your stores......For your huge company to destroy a school... you will be marked forever as the man who destroys places of education to pursue yet another pound of profit.'That is such a bizarre distortion of the truth that no-one could possibly take it seriously. It isn't a school - it hasn't been a school for many years. The 'school' is not being demolished - one set of buildings is to be replaced by others which will be better. The 'school' is not going to be 'closed'. The 'institute of education' is not going to be 'destroyed'. And so on.
I am no supporter of MIA, but I accept that there is a perfectly good case to be made against building a supermarket on Hibbert Lane. But honestly, if you guys want to be taken seriously, you really do need to show a bit more respect for truth and accuracy. ::)
What's scaremongering about that ?Actually this is not really scaremongering you are correct. It is worse than that.
Actually this is not really scaremongering you are correct. It is worse than that.
The college was in talks with supermarkets well before they applied to the learning skills council !
Oh nearly forgot it was Miss Cassidy and Co who went to the supermarkets offering the land ,not the other way round.
One last question Dave & HWL if we have a growing population do you think it's morally acceptable for 500 + children to be put in a super school with limited parking and the rest when they could have had Hibbert Lane with all that parking, open space away from a main road ?
Quote from: Miss Marple on Yesterday at 08:55:45 PMNow this may come as a little bit of a surprise to you but I didn't know anything about it until it was being built. I was aware that Peacefield (my old school ) was being demolished but I never in my wildest dreams thought that they would build that monstrosity and cram as many children as possible into
One last question Dave & HWL if we have a growing population do you think it's morally acceptable for 500 + children to be put in a super school with limited parking and the rest when they could have had Hibbert Lane with all that parking, open space away from a main road ?
I didn't see you campaigning against the new school!!!!
What's going to happen to our primary school children when MARPLE develops further ? Where are they going to go to school ? It's a complete madness to loose education facilities when we have a growing population in Marple
...if you really believe that Hibbert Lane facilities will fit into Buxton Lane then You must both be crazy
members of MIA are working daily on the supermarket issue so to them the newsletter is factual and does not scaremonger due to a greater insight they have around the issue
Close a college where are all the additional children who's families purchase property in Marple going to go ?
Well hello boys ! I have not been changing the subject or avoiding the issue re the MIA newsletter ! but this may come as a great disappointment to you both, but the fact is I have nothing to do with the newsletter. What I want although is to remind you both of, is members of MIA are working daily on the supermarket issue so to them the newsletter is factual and does not scaremonger due to a greater insight they have around the issue
About the primary schools which have closed and the growing population of MARPLE. I am speaking about all the new housing developments that have been, are going to be and in the process of being built. For example, the huge Strines development, The Cross Lane development, Dale School site and the Peacefield site just to name a few. All built as family homes so one would assume that families will move in so over to you two Working Class Hero's ! Where are we going to educate children in MARPLE ! It's simple to me ! We keep building housing developments, people move in with children, those children need educating, super school full, where do the children go to school ? It's not Rocket Science ! Same goes for CAMSFC 68% of students are from Marple ! Close a college where are all the additional children who's families purchase property in Marple going to go ? Now theres your starter for 10 lads !
Hey Dave YPLA is going !
So how do you fit two campus in one when the college can only build on certain areas one being the car park ?
Dave,
The playing fields at both Hibbert Lane & Buxton Lane are classed as green fields and cannot be built on. In any planning application whatever that space totals, still has to be there following any development, but not necessarily in the same place (I hope that makes sense)
Dave,
The playing fields at both Hibbert Lane & Buxton Lane are classed as green fields and cannot be built on. In any planning application whatever that space totals, still has to be there following any development
http://www.stockport.gov.uk/2013/2994/developmentcontrol/planningpolicy/UDP/udpreview_h_appendix4 (http://www.stockport.gov.uk/2013/2994/developmentcontrol/planningpolicy/UDP/udpreview_h_appendix4)
The Council’s policy approach has been to strongly resist the loss of any existing public or private sports grounds....
...there can be no justification for any relaxation in the protection of existing formal recreation open space.
What was the 'information from SMBC'?look back through the thread and you will not only bring yourself up to speed but will see information that you have missed or chosen to dismiss :-\
It makes sense to a have a real supermarket. Not the Co op.What's a real supermarket ?
If people are so vocal on a subject then surely they would retain information and not have to trawl through the topic, especially people from the YES campaign who I will be relying on to advocate for me if the supermarket does go ahead and I have problems and questions which I need actioning I flippin well hope you and Dave are up to speed thenWell that's cleared that up then! ::)How is your trawl through the 77 pages going Dave? Which one are you up to?
OK, but why do those on the Yes side continually also get asked the same questions, when the position is clearly put within both this thread and on the facebook page? It works both ways.If people are so vocal on a subject then surely they would retain information and not have to trawl through the topic, especially people from the YES campaign who I will be relying on to advocate for me if the supermarket does go ahead and I have problems and questions which I need actioning I flippin well hope you and Dave are up to speed thenWell that's cleared that up then! ::)How is your trawl through the 77 pages going Dave? Which one are you up to?
one that you can go to and find shelves stocked and goods that you want not like the coop .It makes sense to a have a real supermarket. Not the Co op.What's a real supermarket ?
appalling misinformation...............a very unhelpful and ultimately self defeating way for MIA to communicate their message
If, however, there is a plan to build a supermarket commensurate with the widely recognized needs of the district and with architecture which owes at least something to the vernacular, such as it is, I believe that most of the opposition will simple evaporate.
After an absence of several months I have now had an opportunity to return to the MIA website. The latest newsletter seemed a good place to start and I was drawn to a paragraph "What you can do" which included the suggestion, among others, that a letter to the CEO of ASDA might be a good idea. Having read the adjacent sample letter I felt it essential to follow up the suggestion and the text of my letter toCouldn't have summed this up better myself alstan. A brilliantly worded summary and letter.
Mr Clarke reads as follows:-
"I have just seen on the “Marple in Action” (MIA) website a sample of a letter which people might wish to use as a basis for their own letter to you (Marple in Action Update 4th edition December 2011). Since there might be some chance that someone might decide to do so I think it only right that you should know that there are people in Marple who do not share the views expressed.
For some months MIA have been conducting a vigorous campaign against they knew not who in respect of their proposals for they knew not what. It seems that they now have information which leads them to focus on your own company although what your plan might be, assuming you have a plan, is, I believe, still unknown.
The argument had several threads, financial loss to local traders, increased traffic, potential loss of amenities (eg swimming pool), loss of opportunity (sports centre, health centre, social housing etc), light pollution, damage to the environment, supermarkets are unethical and so on. However it now appears from the sample letter that these arguments have either been abandoned or have at least become secondary since the sample letter focuses on one issue alone, a highly emotive allegation that “your huge company” is setting out to “destroy a school and build land (sic) gifted for education”.
Talk about twisting and distorting the facts and turning reality on its head! We have a local college which is looking for ways of maintaining the important service that it provides to the community at negligible, if any, financial cost to that community, objectives which most rational people would consider highly commendable and difficult to achieve in the current climate. The sample letter includes the statement that “…we now live in a country that closes schools to open supermarkets.”, a breathtakingly inaccurate comment in this context. I am not aware that anyone has previously suggested that either the governors or any potential buyer of the land are motivated by a desire to close the college. The truth is the exact opposite; their motivation is to ensure that the college remains an asset for Marple and its people for generations to come.
Personally I remain firmly on the fence until the facts emerge. If there is a plan to build a hypermarket, an “Extra” or something like it, on the site I will oppose it. If, however, there is a plan to build a supermarket commensurate with the widely recognized needs of the district and with architecture which owes at least something to the vernacular, such as it is, I believe that most of the opposition will simple evaporate."
I have seen admirable posts which have contributed with sense and realism to both sides of the debate; I have seen a lot of posts which contribute nothing; but I was gobsmacked by this "sample letter" with its appallingly inaccurate statements and its thinly veiled threats. It brings great discredit to MIA
Thank you, alstan, for making the point so well about the ridiculous model letter to Asda which is included in the latest MIA newsletter. As HWL1973 wrote, it's....The other thing is Dave that MIA, in the form of their representative on this forum, is going on the defensive over it. If they listened to constructive criticism they might get somewhere. If I was a donor to MIA and had issues with their communicated messages then apparently I'd have to wait until a PO box was set up to send a letter to it.appalling misinformation...............a very unhelpful and ultimately self defeating way for MIA to communicate their message
What appalls me about the letter is its insult to people's intelligence - the assumption by whoever wrote it that anyone would believe it or take it seriously. And surely HWL is right to call it 'self-defeating', in that such nonsense must inevitably undermine MIA's credibility.
I didn't waste time 'trawling' HWL, because I knew there was nothing to trawl for, apart from the usual bluff, bluster, waffle and flannel ;-)
commensurate with the widely recognized needs of the district
I was not aware that MIA had a representitive on this forum.I don't think many MIA supporters are aware of this forum,and would not get involved if they did.Thank you, alstan, for making the point so well about the ridiculous model letter to Asda which is included in the latest MIA newsletter. As HWL1973 wrote, it's....The other thing is Dave that MIA, in the form of their representative on this forum, is going on the defensive over it. If they listened to constructive criticism they might get somewhere. If I was a donor to MIA and had issues with their communicated messages then apparently I'd have to wait until a PO box was set up to send a letter to it.appalling misinformation...............a very unhelpful and ultimately self defeating way for MIA to communicate their message
What appalls me about the letter is its insult to people's intelligence - the assumption by whoever wrote it that anyone would believe it or take it seriously. And surely HWL is right to call it 'self-defeating', in that such nonsense must inevitably undermine MIA's credibility.
I didn't waste time 'trawling' HWL, because I knew there was nothing to trawl for, apart from the usual bluff, bluster, waffle and flannel ;-)
Perhaps you should have done a bit of trawling before being so critical Dave. I remember exactly what MM was talking about regarding the college "only being able to build on the car park" or the brownfield part of the site. It is something that I have heard mention of often and it was confirmed by the Council's Paul Lawrence at the Extraordinary Area Comittee Meeting on 12 October. He said that the council's planning policy accepts "no nett loss of public open space".
I would have thought that everyone with strong views either way should listen to everything that was said on the video of this meeting if they did not attend but if you what to go straight to it then it is 65 minutes in. Go to the MiA web site and scroll down to the 21 October news: www.marple-in-action.org.uk
Oh Hello are you forgetting something, you know. Like an apology ?
....information from SMBC back in June !
Will you join Dave HWL and myself to look at the sites?
In response to the question from "Steptoe and Son" as to who established the "widely recognised needs of the district" I would answer that I think MIA has. As I said yesterday it is some time since I last referred to the MIA forum but I have a clear recollection that there was widespread support for the view that the Coop is inadequate and that a supermarket of a suitable size and in a suitable location might be welcome. After all, there is no campaign that I am aware of against a supermarket in Marple, only against a "supermarket on the Hibbert Lane College site"; no more than that.
5. Er...
6. That's it ;D
No it's just a joke when a person in control of this forum can have the final say. Thank you and goodbye.
5. Er...
6. That's it ;D
I would suggest one thing you've missed off that list Dave is that there will also be an impact on families who live near to the site.
I would have thought that we could agree on this too?
The issue of a supermarket on Hibbert Lane on this forum is very one sided.
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6. That's it ;D
I would suggest one thing you've missed off that list Dave is that there will also be an impact on families who live near to the site.
I would have thought that we could agree on this too?
No it's just a joke when a person in control of this forum can have the final say. Thank you and goodbye.
there is little room to criticise the methods used by MIA
Copies of the no to a supermarket petition were handed to councillors at the last Area Committee Meeting along with comments from the community on how a development on the Hibbert Lane site would impact on local residents and businesses..... let's hope they take notice of the voice of the people, one can only hope ?
I don't mean the volunteers and leaflet deliverers. Who is the chair, the secretary, the treasurer and the press officer etc. I'm sure those positions don't change on a weekly basis. If MiA want to be considered as an open community organisation then they should be part of it and not anonymous. Currently the only way we know who they are is though passing mentions on the MiA website, for example David Hoyle, Diane Jackson and Rick Hardisty. I'm not against MiA in any way, but I would like to know who the people are who purport to speak for me and the rest of Marple.Please re-read my post.Rest of Marple?
If I were part of it I would WANT people to know who I was so that I could get my message across to as many people as possible.
Sleepless, you write:there is little room to criticise the methods used by MIA
Now in principle I agree that it is good that there are people who are prepared to fight for what they believe in. But there really is a lot to criticise about MIA. Not about what it is doing, but the way it has been doing it. Look back at posts 1148 and 1158 in this thread, for a comprehensive critique of what's wrong with the way MIA works. In particular, there is a real concern that MIA has been spreading inaccurate information about the college - for example, that the college is selling land because it is in financial difficulties (false), and that the proposal to consolidate on the Buxton Lane site is a 'smokescreen' for a secret plan to move away from Marple altogether (also false).
There is also increasing concern at the way MIA claims to speak for 'the community'. Just look at the post immediately before yours, sleepless:Copies of the no to a supermarket petition were handed to councillors at the last Area Committee Meeting along with comments from the community on how a development on the Hibbert Lane site would impact on local residents and businesses..... let's hope they take notice of the voice of the people, one can only hope ?
MIA is a self-appointed group of largely anonymous individuals. Here's their website... http://www.marple-uk.com/marple-in-action/index.htm
....However deeply you delve into it you will not find a list of officers or members. We have no idea who they are, apart from a couple of individuals who speak for them on this forum. There is no evidence that they represent the majority view of residents. And yet they claim to speak for 'the community' in their dealings with councillors. They even describe themselves here as 'the voice of the people', for heaven's sake! ::)
MIA does not speak for the community and they need to stop claiming that they do. It would also be helpful if they could develop a communications strategy, with the emphasis on putting out clear, consistent and accurate information. Then some of us might start to take them more seriously!
Please re-read my post.Rest of Marple?
Copies of the no to a supermarket petition were handed to councillors at the last Area Committee Meeting along with comments from the community on how a development on the Hibbert Lane site would impact on local residents and businesses. The petition is not complete and the councillors have been informed that the list of people who are opposed to a supermarket development on Hibbert Lane is growing.I should have said the voice of the people who are against a supermarket on Hibbert lane so apologies to anyone who was offended :-\.
It will soon be that time of year when local elections will be being held so MIA just wanted to remind our elected members of the strength of feeling in the community against a supermarket on Hibbert Lane. You could say they have been given the heads up prior to election day so let's hope they take notice of the voice of the people, one can only hope ?
As for speaking for the community, they do.The large part of the community who do not want a supermarket on Hibbert Lane.
MIA.... do represent the popular opinion in Marple at this current time...
Dave,I am not trying to be clever,I really can't see much difference between Miss Marples post and mine except an apology,My you are prickly this new Year ::)As for speaking for the community, they do.The large part of the community who do not want a supermarket on Hibbert Lane.
Very clever, Mrs O, but it won't do! As Miss M has implicitly acknowledged in her most recent post, it was misleading for MIA to claim to 'speak for the community' or be 'the voice of the people', and hopefully such claims will now cease.
I should have said the voice of the people who are against a supermarket on Hibbert lane
Sorry Mrs O - I didn't mean to be prickly :'( What I meant was that it's a good try, arguing that 'speaking for the community' meant 'speaking for part of the community', or 'we are the voice of the people' meant 'we are the voice of some of the people'! But it won't wash, and Miss M has conceded that by amending it toDave,it is obvious to everyone that they are not speaking on behalf of the people who want a supermarket!So why are you making a big deal of it?You are being very childish like my self for continuing this,so over and out from me on this one.I should have said the voice of the people who are against a supermarket on Hibbert lane
Was that a yes or a no Dave ?
Was that a yes or a no Dave ?
Do MIA also speak on behalf of those of us who have yet to state a preference - I.e potentially the silent majority. Afterall with no actual plans to consider, I'm finding it hard to be too pro or anti anything.
In fact the only thing I find worth reacting against at the moment is the rhetoric and grandstanding that seems prevalent on here and at meetings.
Truly amazing :o So let me get this straight: you guys up there on Planet MIA seriously believe that by talking to people in a tent in Market Street on Saturdays, you are getting an accurate representation of the majority view of the 23,000 residents of Marple. Really??Yes Dave ! These people are called the community!!! I bet that we get more to the MIA tent than you get to your armchair ???
In fact the only thing I find worth reacting against at the moment is the rhetoric and grandstanding that seems prevalent on here and at meetings.
To clarify - I am pleased that MIA have been formed to ask questions of any scheme and make sure all is above board. What I don't want is a self appointed local pressure group taking on the role of a local planning committe and trying to dictate what is and is not acceptable in our town. That's what the planning system is for.
I've also been slightly concerned about the odd post on here that suggests that some members of MIA would be looking to flex the pressure group's muscles and give their tenpennthworth on other issues in Marple - let's hope the group stays focussed on their raison d'être.
In all honesty Dave my apology was a little tongue in cheek because if truth be told since the MIA campaign started in June 2011, I have only really spoken to people who are against a supermarket albeit from 5 local people from the YES campaign and yourself who for all I know could live in London ? So it's difficult for me to understand who all the people are who you say are in support of a supermarket. Because nearly every Sat for months I have been on the MIA stall speaking to hundreds of people who are against the development.The invitation is open to you also Miss C ! I do hope you will take up the invitation as the three I have already invited for what ever reason have not taken up my invitation, which seems a little strange given that you would have the opportunity to meet in person MIA members, which I feel would be better than a meaningless list of names who I am sure you would not know !
I take on board that this may well be difficult for you to believe so I am offering you, HWL and Tina an invitation to come along to the stall and spend a couple of hours with MIA so you can see first hand the concerns the community have regarding a Supermarket on Hibbert Lane.
Now if this offer is refused by anyone I will assume that the three of you do really understand the strength of feeling against the development but would prefer to continue to post on issues you have limited insight in
towards the communities Concerns for their continued quality of life if this ridicules development goes ahead
in the middle of a residential area
Will any of you take up my offer ? I do hope so !
Dave.. I work in a local pub, I own a local business covering a completely different set of people, I do a school run also a different set of people, I walk the dog in the local park, again another set of people and I also spent most of my life here so know lots of Marple people on top of all that lot.
I sit slightly but ever so slightly off the fence towards the no campaign on this one so dont argue the toss ( ie i dont frighten people off talking about it!) but I do tend to ask people s opinion.. the majority are against this proposal. on top of THAT this forum also suggests it in its polls as does the FB posts. So thats where i get my reasoning for that :)
Well I don't want a woman with too much power from Stoke dictating what we do get in our town.It won't affect her will it?Selfish!Selfish!person.
Dave... I hate to bring this up as I know it ll start the rounds again... but I haven't seen any guarantee that the money raised will be reinvested in Marple
..an educational establishment is NOT just a business but part of the community as a whole, in fact they claim to be exactly that ! Their behaviour however has been completely the opposite and I do think if there were local people who were part of our community on the governing body it would have a different ethos and feel to it, and though they might be still selling the land part of the decision making process on who to sell it to would be whats best for the area.
What meetings have you seen grandstanding?as a matter of interest.Was that a yes or a no Dave ?
Do MIA also speak on behalf of those of us who have yet to state a preference - I.e potentially the silent majority. Afterall with no actual plans to consider, I'm finding it hard to be too pro or anti anything.
In fact the only thing I find worth reacting against at the moment is the rhetoric and grandstanding that seems prevalent on here and at meetings.
Truly amazing :o So let me get this straight: you guys up there on Planet MIA seriously believe that by talking to people in a tent in Market Street on Saturdays, you are getting an accurate representation of the majority view of the 23,000 residents of Marple. Really??Dave,my grandchildren have no opinion either way on the supermarket,Like a lot of the 23000 residents in Marple you keep banging on about they cannot speak on such issues.You cannot count on all 23000 having an opinion for reasons too numerous to mention.People who sign the petition have to be 18 years old,so that excludes a few thousand of your magic number. ::)
What meetings have you seen grandstanding?as a matter of interest.Was that a yes or a no Dave ?
Do MIA also speak on behalf of those of us who have yet to state a preference - I.e potentially the silent majority. Afterall with no actual plans to consider, I'm finding it hard to be too pro or anti anything.
In fact the only thing I find worth reacting against at the moment is the rhetoric and grandstanding that seems prevalent on here and at meetings.
This is my personal opinion!nothing to do with MIA.I do not want a woman from Stoke and her out of area governors with too much power dictating what we do get in our town.They did not have to sell to a supermarket.(Social Conscience)?Nah! like I said before selfish! they couldn' care less especially about the people who live around the proposed supermarket site.I feel so sorry for them :(Dave.. I work in a local pub, I own a local business covering a completely different set of people, I do a school run also a different set of people, I walk the dog in the local park, again another set of people and I also spent most of my life here so know lots of Marple people on top of all that lot.
I sit slightly but ever so slightly off the fence towards the no campaign on this one so dont argue the toss ( ie i dont frighten people off talking about it!) but I do tend to ask people s opinion.. the majority are against this proposal. on top of THAT this forum also suggests it in its polls as does the FB posts. So thats where i get my reasoning for that :)
This rings bells with me too, although my totally non-scientific impression, having had various chats with friends, neighbours, people I meet in shops etc, has been that opinion is fairly evenly divided. But please let's not pretend that this is in any way representative of the population of Marple!
As for this:Well I don't want a woman with too much power from Stoke dictating what we do get in our town.It won't affect her will it?Selfish!Selfish!person.
...that is just ridiculous, and a typical example of the MIA tendency to exaggerate and personalise issues. When colleges acquire or dispose of major assets (land, buildings etc), these are matters for the Governing Body to determine. The notion that camsfc is disposing of the Hibbert Lane site because a 'woman with too much power from Stoke dictated it' is absurd. The reality is that the governors of the college are doing the best they can, in these difficult times, to improve their facilities for the benefit of our children and grandchildren. It's as simple as that!
Dave,my grandchildren have no opinion either way on the supermarket,Like a lot of the 23000 residents in Marple you keep banging on about they cannot speak on such issues.You cannot count on all 23000 having an opinion for reasons too numerous to mention.People who sign the petition have to be 18 years old,so that excludes a few thousand of your magic number. ::)
That was a public meeting and I suspect was mainly attended by people living in the immediate vicinity of the two sites.People who are about to have their enviroment changed against their wishes are unlikely to show a man who obviosly cares not a jot, any respect.The people at the meeting are only trying to protect what they have worked hard for,their property,it's value and the area they chose to live in.Would you show respect to someone who is happy to encourage what yours to be taken away?honest answer please?What meetings have you seen grandstanding?as a matter of interest.Was that a yes or a no Dave ?
Do MIA also speak on behalf of those of us who have yet to state a preference - I.e potentially the silent majority. Afterall with no actual plans to consider, I'm finding it hard to be too pro or anti anything.
In fact the only thing I find worth reacting against at the moment is the rhetoric and grandstanding that seems prevalent on here and at meetings.
The video of the meeting at the school shows the person from the 'yes' campaign getting strictly limited 'respect' from some of the attendees.
Furthermore, many of the statements made by some of the contributants duirng the meeting add up to little more than scaremongering nonsense, where 'opinion' was presented as 'fact', with no real interest in debate.
I found that meeting amusing in many respects. It went on for ages, when actually there was little or nothing of any substance to discuss, other than for the Council to state their policy position - which they did at the start. After that, it was mainly hot air, with people trying to crystal ball gaze as to what the effects of an unknown scale retail of development might be.
Don't get me wrong, I think local discussion and review of any proposals is a critical element - but the amount of vitriol and ill-informed nonsense that is doing the rounds of the community at present is not helpful or constructive. Personally if presented with 'facts' (not saying that MIA are doing this, but these are regular rumours that I hear) that a supermarket the size of Portwood was to be built at Marple, including the knocking down of the swimming baths and potentially resulting in the loss of the 6th form college in the town - I would be against it too and would gladly sign a petition / make my views clear. But I've a pretty good idea that the final scheme won't be like that at all. That said, I'm not sure what it actually will include and so I'm waiting to see the details ('facts' if you will) before making up my mind as to whether I think there is any merit in the proposals.
Lisa of course MIA have made mistakes we are a group of local residents who feel passionate that a supermarket on Hibbert Lane would be a mistake. We hopefully learn by our mistakes but what must be remembered is that we have MIA members who are sympathetic to the cause and if details were released it could be detrimental to their employment ie a conflict of interests. The action line is always there for people to contact, the stall is a regular feature in the centre, and this web site serves as a point of contact.Miss Marple, I think you are seriously underestimating this transparency issue. It's not intended to bring you into disrepute in any way or to scare your members from coming on here.
I am no stranger to court and have represented people in employment law cases where cases of conflict of interests has been a big issue with at times dire consequences for an individual, so MIA respect peoples right to remain in the 'back office'
I am sure when/ if the plans are submitted MIA will become more transparent and will be looking to increase our numbers. I did mention at the start of this topic that MIA was formed around my kitchen table and from there we have gained a band of people from all walks of life who bring skills, knowledge and a greater understanding of planning law.
I have also mentioned that MIA has different groups of individuals who work in teams within their own area of particular practice, there are members that even I have not met.
We are not a secret organisation and I fully understand how this may appear but sadly I am also fully aware of how so people can use this to in someway try to bring MIA into disrepute. It's going to be a long haul and like I have said before there are really only 2 or 3 members of MIA who post on here. I have continued to post to keep people informed of developments but I am becoming increasingly disappointed in some peoples contributions striving to give MIA a negative press instead of getting of their backside and starting an opposition group if they feel that there is a need.
Please do not continue to frighten MIA members from posting as this is at this moment the only source of information that you will receive that will help everyone keep up to speed with developments . Please be respectful of our cause. MM
That was a public meeting and I suspect was mainly attended by people living in the immediate vicinity of the two sites.People who are about to have their enviroment changed against their wishes are unlikely to show a man who obviosly cares not a jot, any respect.The people at the meeting are only trying to protect what they have worked hard for,their property,it's value and the area they chose to live in.Would you show respect to someone who is happy to encourage what yours to be taken away?honest answer please?
Do people who sign the petition have to be residents of Marple?
They did not have to sell to a supermarket.
(Social Conscience)?Nah! like I said before selfish!
Do people who sign the petition have to be residents of Marple?
No, and we have it on good authority (no less than Miss M herself, as far as I can recall) that many signatories come from outside the area.
Dave you disappoint me! Here's me trying to accommodate your request to be more transparent by introducing you to MIA members who are far more knowledgeable than myself on a range of issues you raise on this thread and you decline that invitation. what is your reason for refusing I am seriously interested to know !Here's that word of mouth culture again
Oh no it isn't because it's your lucky day ! You may have missed it but you had an invite too, along with the other moderator of the YES face book page Tina So come on HWL accept the invitation and make my day. I find it strange that you three have to have an invitation because when the stall is in MARPLE we have lots of people coming intelligence gathering . Why have you 3 never made yourselves knownDave you disappoint me! Here's me trying to accommodate your request to be more transparent by introducing you to MIA members who are far more knowledgeable than myself on a range of issues you raise on this thread and you decline that invitation. what is your reason for refusing I am seriously interested to know !Here's that word of mouth culture again
Dave you disappoint me! Here's me trying to accommodate your request to be more transparentWhen did I ask you to be more transparent?
what is your reason for refusing I am seriously interested to know !Because I don't need to hear any more misinformation, such as:
I couldn't help overhearing what one MIA person wielding a petition was saying about the college's plans - including all that stuff about the plan to use the proceeds of Hibbert Lane to develop Buxton Lane being a 'smokescreen' for the real plan, which was to move out of Marple altogether and build a new college on Jacksons Lane. And of course, people appeared to believe every word of it......... ::)
Oh no it isn't because it's your lucky day ! You may have missed it but you had an invite too, along with the other moderator of the YES face book page Tina So come on HWL accept the invitation and make my day. I find it strange that you three have to have an invitation because when the stall is in MARPLE we have lots of people coming intelligence gathering . Why have you 3 never made yourselves knownDave you disappoint me! Here's me trying to accommodate your request to be more transparent by introducing you to MIA members who are far more knowledgeable than myself on a range of issues you raise on this thread and you decline that invitation. what is your reason for refusing I am seriously interested to know !Here's that word of mouth culture again
How many signatures are there so far on the petition against the proposed supermarket?Hi Admin has put some stats on Latest information on the MIA web site which may answer your question
Oh no it isn't because it's your lucky day ! You may have missed it but you had an invite too, along with the other moderator of the YES face book page Tina So come on HWL accept the invitation and make my day. I find it strange that you three have to have an invitation because when the stall is in MARPLE we have lots of people coming intelligence gathering . Why have you 3 never made yourselves knownDave you disappoint me! Here's me trying to accommodate your request to be more transparent by introducing you to MIA members who are far more knowledgeable than myself on a range of issues you raise on this thread and you decline that invitation. what is your reason for refusing I am seriously interested to know !Here's that word of mouth culture again
Lisa of course MIA have made mistakes we are a group of local residents who feel passionate that a supermarket on Hibbert Lane would be a mistake. We hopefully learn by our mistakes but what must be remembered is that we have MIA members who are sympathetic to the cause and if details were released it could be detrimental to their employment ie a conflict of interests. The action line is always there for people to contact, the stall is a regular feature in the centre, and this web site serves as a point of contact.
I am no stranger to court and have represented people in employment law cases where cases of conflict of interests has been a big issue with at times dire consequences for an individual, so MIA respect peoples right to remain in the 'back office'
I am sure when/ if the plans are submitted MIA will become more transparent and will be looking to increase our numbers. I did mention at the start of this topic that MIA was formed around my kitchen table and from there we have gained a band of people from all walks of life who bring skills, knowledge and a greater understanding of planning law.
I have also mentioned that MIA has different groups of individuals who work in teams within their own area of particular practice, there are members that even I have not met.
We are not a secret organisation and I fully understand how this may appear but sadly I am also fully aware of how so people can use this to in someway try to bring MIA into disrepute. It's going to be a long haul and like I have said before there are really only 2 or 3 members of MIA who post on here. I have continued to post to keep people informed of developments but I am becoming increasingly disappointed in some peoples contributions striving to give MIA a negative press instead of getting of their backside and starting an opposition group if they feel that there is a need.
Please do not continue to frighten MIA members from posting as this is at this moment the only source of information that you will receive that will help everyone keep up to speed with developments . Please be respectful of our cause. MM
can I just jump in here, no doubt my comment will be removed but why are my post's removed everytime for making a responce to something but miss marple can continuously keep bringing me up, I have already said I decline your offer to meet at your stall, I have walked past many times and been sneered at and don't wish to stand there being dictated to. I personally would like a supermarket, I have never hidden the fact and stood up very early on well before the yes campaign was set up by somebody else, and said I would like one as what we have in Marple is not good enough. Its not that I am uncaring towards the residents who surround the area, I have friends who live on all sides of the area of the college, so fully understand their concerns but to be real in the real world buildings get built/knocked down all over the country. at some point someone has been against such progress but it happens its called the future! Now please miss marple concentrate on your campaign, maybe stop being so personal and read carefully the questions what people are asking you.Oh no it isn't because it's your lucky day ! You may have missed it but you had an invite too, along with the other moderator of the YES face book page Tina So come on HWL accept the invitation and make my day. I find it strange that you three have to have an invitation because when the stall is in MARPLE we have lots of people coming intelligence gathering . Why have you 3 never made yourselves knownDave you disappoint me! Here's me trying to accommodate your request to be more transparent by introducing you to MIA members who are far more knowledgeable than myself on a range of issues you raise on this thread and you decline that invitation. what is your reason for refusing I am seriously interested to know !Here's that word of mouth culture again
Dave... re reinvestment and continuation of curriculum.. Marple and CHEADLE 6th form college... I'm sure they can continue with the courses by investing the money in the other campus?
I have friends who live outside Marple who have signed the petiiton against the supermarket. They have done so because they visit Marple frequently to use our local shops and enjoy the atmosphere in our town centre, and would like it to stay that way. They will not be visiting or spending money in our local economy if these shops disappear because a supermarket has taken their business. They will not travel here to use a supermarket.
I really and seriously would like you to come and debate the issue with MIA members who will have the information you need !
It could be argued that those principles will be the ones what closes the local shops down and not the supermarket? I am for a supermarket and will use it, but I will also continue to use the local shops. The only difference in my shopping habbits will be that I don't rely on a home delivery or a bus to take me out of Marple to go shopping.
Dave, my friends wouldn't use a large supermarket in Marple because they already have a good choice of supermarkets elsewhere - you mention four locations yourself. They also believe that the traffic congestion that would build up in Marple would keep them out of the town. And they would not visit it on a point of principal because of the damage it would do to the current town centre - believe it or not there are some people out here prepared to stick to our principals.
To my knowledge there are very few people from outside the area who have signed the paper petition.... I am not sure where the idea that large amounts of people have signed from out of area.
What's been a real eye opener for me whilst collecting signatures in Marple is the amount of elderly people who make full use of their bus passes and come to Marple from Ashton, Denton, Glossop, Hyde Mossley, New Mills and countless other places
The vast amount who have signed are from around both sites and living on main roads and roads which may possibly become ' Rat Runs'
We have obtained nearly 8,000 signatures
Dave, my friends wouldn't use a large supermarket in Marple because they already have a good choice of supermarkets elsewhere - you mention four locations yourself. They also believe that the traffic congestion that would build up in Marple would keep them out of the town. And they would not visit it on a point of principal because of the damage it would do to the current town centre - believe it or not there are some people out here prepared to stick to our principals.
It's one thing us locals opposing the plan for a supermarket on Hibbert Lane - we are all entitled to our opinions, and it's entirely understandable that those living nearest the site should be against it. But for people from outside Marple, whose kids are educated at other schools and colleges, to try and stop our kids from having better educational facilities, is a bit of a cheek, don't you think?
Concerns regarding people signing from outside the area. To my knowledge there are very few people from outside the area who have signed the paper petition. The vast amount who have signed are from around both sites and living on main roads and roads which may possibly become ' Rat Runs' I am not sure where the idea that large amounts of people have signed from out of area.
What MIA are mindful of is people who do not have access to Internet or are unable to get to the stall to vote. MIA are looking at ways to allow people who may want to sign but are unable to do so by looking at door to door leaflet drops with a tear off petition slip or something similar.
We have obtained nearly 8,000 signatures and that's really without trying all we did to obtain that amount was to stand in Market St every Sat, once the planning application is submitted MIA anticipate a lot more signatures, will keep you posted
you have been quoted on this forums as saying alot of people have signed from outside .the area .so have they or not i suggest when people sign you ask them to say were they are from .and put down as such .you say the ridge are not giving you the full facts i suggest you are not giving us the full facts .
Call me old fashioned but I think our taxes should pay for educational facilities, rather than relying on flogging off land to supermarkets.
MARPLE is a growing town with housing developments being built all the time so it is my belief that we should not loose any education facility because once it's gone there is no turning back.
Hi amazon everyone who signs the petition puts their address down so it is not rocket science to identify where people live who are signing.. Ok thanks for that .
Hi Dave the quote you provided does not mention that these people signed but I am sure you will find another quote to prove me wrong.
Hi Belly when MIA was formed there was at that time no suggestion that an alternative site had been identified. MIA was formed to oppose a supermarket being built on education land. MARPLE is a growing town with housing developments being built all the time so it is my belief that we should not loose any education facility because once it's gone there is no turning back.
Your question about why people come to MARPLE to shop at first surprised me. I soon found out by speaking to people that shopped out of area was that since a supermarket had moved into their area most of their small independent traders had gone so they liked the small town shop experience.
I know people think that I am joking when I invite them to spend time on the Sat MIA stall but I am not. I think that anyone doubting what I post would benefit from spending time there. It's a real eye opener hearing from people who's areas have suffered due to large supermarkets coming into their areas. I do hope that people will spend sometime on the stall and speak first hand to these people then you will have a greater insight to the problems supermarkets bring with them
We will be living a long time with the outcomes of decisions we make now, and our children will have to deal with the consequences.
I wonder how many people travel from other areas into Marple with the sole purpose of shopping at the Co-op? The Co-op that is ridiculously overpriced compared to other supermarkets and where you are lucky to see the shelves actually stocked with what you require. We have lived in Marple for 11 years and have never done our "weekly shop" at the Co-op - we travel over to Morrisons at Bredbury. If ASDA or TESCO or Sainsbury's were to open a larger store in Marple we would almost certainly shop in the town, thereby saving all those car miles each year.
Hi Bowden Guy I hope you don't take offence but if you wanted to be near a supermarket why move to Marple? Just a thought because I like living in MARPLE because there isn't a large e supermarket.
Don't underestimate the draw of the canal, parks and views which bring people in from Manchester and other nearby areas. Having worked in Manchester for many years I have met many, many people who visit Marple principally to enjoy these wonderful assets of ours.On this point we agree, I work with many from around the Stockport area and beyond who regularly visit the Marple area for the above.
Don't underestimate the draw of the canal, parks and views which bring people in from Manchester and other nearby areas. Having worked in Manchester for many years I have met many, many people who visit Marple principally to enjoy these wonderful assets of ours.On this point we agree, I work with many from around the Stockport area and beyond who regularly visit the Marple area for the above.
Would they be put off by the likely increase in Traffic a large Supermarket would bring at weekends. ;D
How do you know the Supermarket is going to be sized to just suit the Marple Catchment Area?Don't underestimate the draw of the canal, parks and views which bring people in from Manchester and other nearby areas. Having worked in Manchester for many years I have met many, many people who visit Marple principally to enjoy these wonderful assets of ours.On this point we agree, I work with many from around the Stockport area and beyond who regularly visit the Marple area for the above.
Would they be put off by the likely increase in Traffic a large Supermarket would bring at weekends. ;D
Why would there be a large increase in traffic in Marple at the weekends because of a new supermarket sized to meet the local (currently supermarketless) Marple catchment? If you take what Bowden Guy suggests then it is quite possible that a large number of Marple folk would, in future, 'stay local' and shop in the new local supermarket in Marple 'town centre' rather than driving out of the town to a supermarket in say Bredbury, Glossop, Hazel Grove or Stockport.
Speaking personally, provision of a new supermarket in Marple would probably remove my current Saturday mornng trip to Sainsburys or Tesco along Stockport Road - so providing an opportunity for a visitor to the town to make use of the roadspace I am currently taking up!
How do you know the Supermarket is going to be sized to just suit the Marple Catchment Area?Don't underestimate the draw of the canal, parks and views which bring people in from Manchester and other nearby areas. Having worked in Manchester for many years I have met many, many people who visit Marple principally to enjoy these wonderful assets of ours.On this point we agree, I work with many from around the Stockport area and beyond who regularly visit the Marple area for the above.
Would they be put off by the likely increase in Traffic a large Supermarket would bring at weekends. ;D
Why would there be a large increase in traffic in Marple at the weekends because of a new supermarket sized to meet the local (currently supermarketless) Marple catchment? If you take what Bowden Guy suggests then it is quite possible that a large number of Marple folk would, in future, 'stay local' and shop in the new local supermarket in Marple 'town centre' rather than driving out of the town to a supermarket in say Bredbury, Glossop, Hazel Grove or Stockport.
Speaking personally, provision of a new supermarket in Marple would probably remove my current Saturday mornng trip to Sainsburys or Tesco along Stockport Road - so providing an opportunity for a visitor to the town to make use of the roadspace I am currently taking up!
And as you say most people drive away from Marple to do their shopping to Bredbury, Glossop, Hazel Grove or Stockport. For example some at present somebody who lives in the Rose Hill Area and shops in Stockport
would instead of going away from Marple would instead drive through Marple to get to Hibbert Lane. Also someone who lives in Marple Bridge and at present shops in Glossop would change the journey to travel through the centre of Marple instead of away from etc etc.
Who knows, all these trips secured within Marple might actually be beneifical to some of the local shops. Again speaking personally, I could see myself using Marple town centre more if I could combine a specialist shop with a supermarket shop,
How bizarre ! I walked into Marple on Sat got all my shopping got the bus home, had an on line delivery of 10 Jars of Carte Noire which were on offer at Tesco for £4.00 for 200g jar. No petrol used, boosted the local economy and saved £2.68 on each jar of coffee ;)
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But you didn't shop local .you shopped at tesco online .
How bizarre ! I walked into Marple on Sat got all my shopping got the bus home, had an on line delivery of 10 Jars of Carte Noire which were on offer at Tesco for £4.00 for 200g jar. No petrol used, boosted the local economy and saved £2.68 on each jar of coffee ;)No ! Only 10 jars of coffee on the home delivery saving well over £25.00 So saved petrol, planet and didn't add to the traffic congestion ! ;)
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But you didn't shop local .you shopped at tesco online .
Here's an article which summarises one reason why I don't want a big supermarket in Marple.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/18/pays-tesco-ceo-wages-we-do (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/18/pays-tesco-ceo-wages-we-do#start-of-comments)
miss marple u must have loads of money or like staying up all night, if u can spend that much money on just coffee, and if asda/tesco comes to marple, you could walk to the supermarket and then carry it home, which means the supermarket would be saving on petrol as well as yourself and then you both would be saving the planet. or did the delivery van not use any petrol when bringing your coffee to your house.
Re: Tesco / ASDA !!!
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The Co-op may not exploit their suppliers, but they certainly exploit their customers, when you compare their prices with those at any proper supermarket.
And re this:
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Here's an article which summarises one reason why I don't want a big supermarket in Marple.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/18/pays-tesco-ceo-wages-we-do
......so exploiting suppliers, overpaying top executives and underpaying checkout staff and shelf stackers is OK as long as it takes place in Hazel Grove, Bredbury and Whaley Bridge? Huh
QuoteNo. all this is not OK in Hazel Grove, Bredbury etc but that's what we've got. I think the spread of the Big 4 across the UK should be stopped, for many reasons I've mentioned before. In my opinion Marple is fine without a large (note LARGE) supermarket on the doorstep and should stay that way.
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The Co-op may not exploit their suppliers, but they certainly exploit their customers, when you compare their prices with those at any proper supermarket.
And re this:
Quote from: Cyberman on January 19, 2012, 09:58:46 PM
Here's an article which summarises one reason why I don't want a big supermarket in Marple.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/18/pays-tesco-ceo-wages-we-do
......so exploiting suppliers, overpaying top executives and underpaying checkout staff and shelf stackers is OK as long as it takes place in Hazel Grove, Bredbury and Whaley Bridge? Huh
I don't find the Co-op excessively expensive. The others are very good at attracting customers with a few special offers, but for the rest of the stuff prices are much the same.
miss marple tesco didnt save money petrol or the planet delivering your coffeeLet's not split hairs. One van, one lot of petrol about 25+ deliveries in one ! simple.com
I don't find the Co-op excessively expensive. The others are very good at attracting customers with a few special offers, but for the rest of the stuff prices are much the same.
I don't find the Co-op excessively expensive. The others are very good at attracting customers with a few special offers, but for the rest of the stuff prices are much the same.
Not excessively, no, but the Co-op does appear to price practically every product around 10% higher than the big four, almost an extra 10p on everything. A problem I think is that large convenience stores seem to be the group's main food business now, rather than full supermarkets, so Marple is a bit of an anomaly.
I still don't quite know how they got away with keeping the old Somerfield at Texaco, completely starving us of choice.
No it wasn't cheaper at ASDA but it would have been cheaper on Amazon and free delivery ! I am not as savvy a shopper as I would like to believe :-\. Next time I will get it from Amazon !miss marple u must have loads of money or like staying up all night, if u can spend that much money on just coffee, and if asda/tesco comes to marple, you could walk to the supermarket and then carry it home, which means the supermarket would be saving on petrol as well as yourself and then you both would be saving the planet. or did the delivery van not use any petrol when bringing your coffee to your house.
and after all that it was cheaper AT ASDA . ;D
25 new ASDA stores due in 2012. Oh what joy. :'(
Lists some of them here (http://your.asda.com/press-centre/asda-set-to-invest-over-500m-in-2012-) but no mention of the Marple one just yet.
Oh I do hope so ! I can not wait ! ;D I have my tent ready and waiting ! ;D25 new ASDA stores due in 2012. Oh what joy. :'(
Lists some of them here (http://your.asda.com/press-centre/asda-set-to-invest-over-500m-in-2012-) but no mention of the Marple one just yet.
That's a shame, still it might make the list soon.
If "studies show that supermarkets catch diversion trips" this would explain why so many people from Marple do their supermarket shopping outside the town ie on their way home from work etc, therefore they don't need to use a supermarket in Marple, nor are they travelling extra miles as they pass an alternative anyway.
It's understandable that a lot of this discussion has focused on traffic issues, but we shouldn't forget those who can't, or don't want to, drive to do their shopping.
We need to remember that:
1. About 25% of UK households don't have a car.
2. The Marple area has the biggest % of elderly residents in Stockport (If you doubt it, look around you in the Co-op. I'm no spring chicken, but when I go there I feel young again ;D)
3. The potential supermarket site in Hibbert Lane is close to some of Marple's least affluent residential areas, where car ownership is therefore likely to be lower than in some other parts.
It's quite thought-provoking when you pass a big five-bedroom detached house in one of the leafier parts of Marple, and you see a 'No' poster in the window saying 'save our community'. There are two cars in the drive, and at least one of them is a 4x4. They can afford to buy their food at Waitrose or M&S, or maybe the Sainsbury's van calls here. And yet they want to prevent people who are less fortunate than themselves from being able to shop locally more cheaply. And they also want to stop our local college improving its facilities (but of course, it doesn't matter to them as their kids go to Stockport Grammar ::))
It's understandable that a lot of this discussion has focused on traffic issues, but we shouldn't forget those who can't, or don't want to, drive to do their shopping.
We need to remember that:
1. About 25% of UK households don't have a car.
2. The Marple area has the biggest % of elderly residents in Stockport (If you doubt it, look around you in the Co-op. I'm no spring chicken, but when I go there I feel young again ;D)
3. The potential supermarket site in Hibbert Lane is close to some of Marple's least affluent residential areas, where car ownership is therefore likely to be lower than in some other parts.
It's quite thought-provoking when you pass a big five-bedroom detached house in one of the leafier parts of Marple, and you see a 'No' poster in the window saying 'save our community'. There are two cars in the drive, and at least one of them is a 4x4. They can afford to buy their food at Waitrose or M&S, or maybe the Sainsbury's van calls here. And yet they want to prevent people who are less fortunate than themselves from being able to shop locally more cheaply. And they also want to stop our local college improving its facilities (but of course, it doesn't matter to them as their kids go to Stockport Grammar ::))
The potential supermarket site in Hibbert Lane is close to some of Marple's least affluent residential areas, where car ownership is therefore likely to be lower than in some other parts.
How strange!Have you not seen all the NO posters in that area?
It's understandable that a lot of this discussion has focused on traffic issues, but we shouldn't forget those who can't, or don't want to, drive to do their shopping.
We need to remember that:
1. About 25% of UK households don't have a car.
2. The Marple area has the biggest % of elderly residents in Stockport (If you doubt it, look around you in the Co-op. I'm no spring chicken, but when I go there I feel young again ;D)
3. The potential supermarket site in Hibbert Lane is close to some of Marple's least affluent residential areas, where car ownership is therefore likely to be lower than in some other parts.
It's quite thought-provoking when you pass a big five-bedroom detached house in one of the leafier parts of Marple, and you see a 'No' poster in the window saying 'save our community'. There are two cars in the drive, and at least one of them is a 4x4. They can afford to buy their food at Waitrose or M&S, or maybe the Sainsbury's van calls here. And yet they want to prevent people who are less fortunate than themselves from being able to shop locally more cheaply. And they also want to stop our local college improving its facilities (but of course, it doesn't matter to them as their kids go to Stockport Grammar ::))
Good post that Dave it's bit like sod you iam all right jack .
Yes, we've all seen the 'no' posters in Hibbert Lane, but that's not what I meant by 'less affluent areas'. I won't list the roads in question, because Mrs O seems to regard it as a sensitive issue. But anyone who knows Marple knows where the less affluent areas are, and I don't think you'll see many 'no' posters there.Dave,Do you see the less affluent areas as such because the majority only have one car? ::)Just an observation of mine.
As for 'social conscience', how can anyone who opposes the improvement of educational facilities claim to have one?
Steptoe, I entirely agree that the improvement of educational facilities shouldn't depend on flogging land to a supermarket, but here in the real world I'm afraid that, sadly, it does :-(No ! That's the world according to someone who doesn't live near the site, who does not know the area and does not understand or even wants to speak to the people that this development will effect and sadly someone who have been a governour and aspires to still influence those of that circle. Well Dave you have just been 'BLACK BALLED' by most of this community.
Steptoe, I entirely agree that the improvement of educational facilities shouldn't depend on flogging land to a supermarket, but here in the real world I'm afraid that, sadly, it does :-(
I can promise you, Steptoe, that there is currently no government funding available for major capital projects at colleges. Any colleges doing major buidling projects right now will have funded them by borrowing and/or selling off land or buildings.I bet you don't ! It would be very difficult for you to come face to face with the people who you think should suffer if a supermarket came feet away from their front/back door. Because Dave that's the reality, some of the effected houses butt up to the development site. I suggest you have a walk around the area not a drive by . Tell you what, go and knock on a few doors and explain your reasoning to people who have worked hard all their life and continue to work hard to keep their property in these economic times. Tell them how you think that they should allow their quality of life, devaluation of their property, additional pollution and increased traffic so that a private/public college can upgrade their facilities.
To answer Miss M's question (previous post): I'm happy to engage in polite and rational discussion, but I won't take part in a slanging match.
Wow that's telling him .come on dave your turn .I can promise you, Steptoe, that there is currently no government funding available for major capital projects at colleges. Any colleges doing major buidling projects right now will have funded them by borrowing and/or selling off land or buildings.I bet you don't ! It would be very difficult for you to come face to face with the people who you think should suffer if a supermarket came feet away from their front/back door. Because Dave that's the reality, some of the effected houses butt up to the development site. I suggest you have a walk around the area not a drive by . Tell you what, go and knock on a few doors and explain your reasoning to people who have worked hard all their life and continue to work hard to keep their property in these economic times. Tell them how you think that they should allow their quality of life, devaluation of their property, additional pollution and increased traffic so that a private/public college can upgrade their facilities.
To answer Miss M's question (previous post): I'm happy to engage in polite and rational discussion, but I won't take part in a slanging match.
For goodness sake CAMSFC had the land and buildings given to them and should have maintained them to a higher standard. Even college Min's see Governors questioning how little had been spent on maintenance at the Hibbert Lane campus and share their concerns with Ms Cassidy (thought you had read these)
So Dave I agree you are best placed to remain an unknown person, avoiding meeting the people directly effected , but a word to the wise , get out of that armchair in your ivory tower from time to time and remember to keep your Rose tinted specks crystal clear so that you are ready when you have the courage to come to the MIA stall to enlighten the unenlightened :-\
I agree with Marplemum. As a newcomer to the area, I've used this website to find out about my new hometown and what's important to the people who live here, with the intention of seeing what part I can play in the community. However, despite a great job by Mark in trying to get people to stick to the point and engage in robust discussion, it's so disappointing to read people trying to belittle others still and being unable to tolerate opinions different to their own. I think I'll give this site a rest for a while as it just makes me despair of the attitudes some people have toward others. We try to teach young people to stand up for what they believe in but to do so respectfully in the knowledge that everyone is entitled to their opinion and this is the example we set for them. What a shame a few people dominate this site and feel comfortable telling others what they are best placed to do and they are blackballed by the community.you don't have to avoid the site just the ASDA and Tesco topic Welcome to MARPLE !
I can promise you, Steptoe, that there is currently no government funding available for major capital projects at colleges. Any colleges doing major buidling projects right now will have funded them by borrowing and/or selling off land or buildings.
To answer Miss M's question (previous post): I'm happy to engage in polite and rational discussion, but I won't take part in a slanging match.
I may be able to throw a bit of light on the issue of the funding application by camsfc to the Learning and Skills Council (LSC) in 2008. AFAIK it wasn't really a missed deadline at all. What happened was that the LSC suddenly discovered they had massively over-committed capital funding to college building projects all over the country. That is, they promised far more money than they actually had! It was quite a scandal at the time - there were many colleges whose project planning was at an advanced stage, who were suddenly told they couldn't have any capital funding after all! I gather Aquinas only just got under the wire. This was all very sudden, and until then there was no reason for any college to believe that funds were about to run out. So I think the cock up, if there was one, was probably at the LSC.
This is true, we did a lot of work with colleges and huge swathes of them got cancelled, a lot after significant sums were spent on design fees. The colleges were led to believe that the money was just a formality. Head of LSC lost his jobs, loads of poorer colleges effectively wasted a load of money. A dreadful state of affairs. :(
We did the acoustics on Acquinas FWIW :)
...... there is the question of why the CAMSFC management had not applied for funding 5 or 10 years ago if the buildings are in such disrepair...
Dave, again we have your opinion masquerading as the factsand...
Dave, I trust you'll understand if I disregard your promise
MM - you constantly denigrate the intentions of the college and those who are charged to oversee its affairs, whether we are talking about the senior management or governors. Are you really so unsure of your case that you need to resort to these tactics? In your world, EVERYTHING the college has done over the past 5 years is devious, reprehensible or dishonest and you look for any evidence to support this. You appear unable to accept that those running the college are making what they believe to be the best decisions for that institution. You should accept that they are acting in good faith and, if you disagree, debate the issues forcefully and furiously. What you shouldn't be doing is constantly resorting to slurs, denigration and, effectively, character assassination? That, however, appears to be par for the course in campaigns like these.Its called reiterating ! Like Dave says the thread is very long so like Dave I am just reiterating! That's ok isn't it ! :-*
So(CAMSFC) are making what they believe to be the best decision for their institution.What about our town?
I feel great empathy for the people in the immediate vicinity whose homes will cetainly be devalued.
can I dare to suggest that your continual devotion to the 'flog the land to a supermarket' cause has something to do with you former role? Perhaps there's a lack of objectivity at play? You've continuously tried to undermine the efforts of those opposed to the supermarket and I think that your former role shines a light on this...you'd rather that those professionally involved in these schemes were allowed to make the decisions without the pesky community getting involved. Regarding facts, one fact we do have is that more than 7000 people have signed a petition against the supermarket. :)
Well, Steptoe, yet another case of "playing the man rather than the ball". Always much easier than arguing your case, don't you think?
Noticed a couple of properties are for sale on Lyme Grove Marple and also one directly opposite the college on Hibbert Lane.All these properties would be affected if a supermarket was to be built on Hibbert Lane.It is so sad that people are selling up the home they chose to buy before the college decided to sell withiut any thought to Marple residents >:(
Noticed a couple of properties are for sale on Lyme Grove Marple and also one directly opposite the college on Hibbert Lane.All these properties would be affected if a supermarket was to be built on Hibbert Lane.It is so sad that people are selling up the home they chose to buy before the college decided to sell withiut any thought to Marple residents >:(.
Noticed a couple of properties are for sale on Lyme Grove Marple and also one directly opposite the college on Hubert Lane.All these properties would be affected if a supermarket was to be built on Hubert Lane.It is so sad that people are selling up the home they chose to buy before the college decided to sell without any thought to Marple residents >:(.
Scare mongering .Mrs o . Why don't you go and ask them why they are selling .
A great idea for a new sports centre only problem is the council can't afford to pay £15M for the land on Hibbert Lane, never mind the cost of building and running a wet & dry sports centre. Or are you proposing that our Council Tax rise, I don't think you will get any councillor proposing that in their election manifesto.
Well at least we now know that it's ASDA it's just a waiting game for the consultation period which we have been promised will happen !
Hello Harry,
We do now KNOW that it is Asda.
It has been confirmed by SMBC that CMSFC have entered into an agreement with Asda and this agreement should have been the subject of a "Chairs Announcement" at Area Committee last night. This is easy enough to check as the minutes are (when they've been typed up) a matter of public record and are available through all the usual information mediums.
However, to date the Council has not received any further information in respect of the timing for the submission of either an application for pre-submission advice - or the submission of a formal planning application - but it is most certainly - Asda.
You are quite right there has been a lot of speculation over the whole issue, some of it extremely interesting and often it has been difficult to know what to believe. It is though worthy of mention that whilst some of this speculation has been imaginative some of it has turned out to be true.
If it happens (and it's a very big if!) it will be a few years away. My guess is 2016 at the earliest.
Hello,
Amazon, we don't know what will happen-it is all speculation but the ball is firmly in Asda's court and nothing at all will happen until Asda submit a planning application.
There are numerous permutations here as far as Hibbert Lane is concerned. In addition to this we can't ignore the Chadwick Street car-park and its influence on the Hibbert Lane site. If a buyer comes forward for Chadwick St site and its another supermarket (it might even be Asda themselves) then Asda's argument for the Hibbert Lane site is considerably weakened. It could even mean that Asda lose interest altogether in Hibbert Lane.
On the other hand if there is no interest in Chadwick Street and Asda chase their interest in Hibbert Lane then their planning application will probably be refused by SMBC. Next stage is appeal to Government Inspectors - if they lose,they could then choose to go for a judicial review and you know what they say about those .." I don't mind if my barrister doesn't know the law as long as he knows the judge".Even after that there are all kinds of appeals - its endless.
If it gets to a judicial review put your money on Asda. Judicial Reviews are about who can pay for the best legal team.
Who would you say that would be Stockport Council or Asda?
Thanks for that at least it makes me feel bit younger .
If it gets to a judicial review put your money on Asda. Judicial Reviews are about who can pay for the best legal team.
Who would you say that would be Stockport Council or Asda?
If it gets to a judicial review put your money on Asda. Judicial Reviews are about who can pay for the best legal team.
Who would you say that would be Stockport Council or Asda?
A JR can only be pursued by a party if they can demonstrate that the Council acted improperly whilst making their planning decision or did not follow set procedure. It is absolutely not about the rights and wrongs of the planning case. In any event, all a JR can do is quosh the original decision and effectively demand that the process be repeated correctly. A JR cannot reverse the decision in itself. All the Council would then need to do is simply repeat the process correctly and make the same decision again.
Typically a JR would also be lodged post the original Council decision, not after an appeal - as you only have 6 months post the procedural error being known to lodge a JR. You can seek to JR an appeal, but its a fairly pointless process for the reasons set out above - an Inspector is not going to change his original decisions just because the JR proved that he got his paperwork slightly wrong!
IMHO JR would be a fairly pointless approach for a supermarket to follow in the case of the H.L. site anyway, as the Council has already nailed its colours to the mast re: its decision. The only way that a supermarket is going to win is via strength of argument at the planning appeal stage.
Sorry for a very dull and boring post....
Not dull and boring .whats your job Belly .
Belly... Gatley in Action took Stockport council to Judicial review, against a decision involving I guess a bigger company than asda but if not comparable, in 2001... we won :D It can be done and continues to be done across the country with the right specialist legal advice.
Miss M writes ' I hope those plans never get to the table', but thankfully we live in a free and democratic society. If an individual or organisation wishes to submit a planning application, it is free to do so.I could not agree more Dave ! We do live in a free and democratic society and that's why I am free to have an opinion and a right to free speech ! Lol :D
Miss M writes ' I hope those plans never get to the table', but thankfully we live in a free and democratic society. If an individual or organisation wishes to submit a planning application, it is free to do so.Now thats what I call stating the obvious!Yawn, Goodnight all!
What will be your deciding factor Belly ! I hope those plans never get to the table ? Hopefully by then we will have an independent councillor batting for Marple and it's community
I believed all apps went through the local planning meeting first.. and that's when they KNOW what the app entails! The local one can then send it to a central one? This application if I remember all the info correctly has been transferred to full planning months before an application exists!! This frees our lovely councillors to finally have an opinion as they wont be part of that committee, and lets be honest, why on earth, after their initial silence whilst I'm sure they gauged general opinion, speak out FOR a supermarket when the election is looming?
Consider this, call it a hypothetical question if you like.
Asda for all it tries can't get planning permission - so leaves town - hurrah! for some not for others - I KNOW THAT!
As the deal with cmsfc was dependent upon PP being granted, cmsfc get no money from Asda therefore they cannot afford to run three sites. As Hibbert Lane offers the most potential they leave the site and put it up for sale -but no buyers come. The buildings are left to dilapidate and the vandals move in stealing;lead,copper, roof tiles anything that they can strip or carry away. Very soon the site is an eyesore - then the travellers move in.
Fanciful, pessimistic and far -fetched ??
Fanciful, pessimistic and far -fetched ??
Tesco came first , Asda second, on the first bidIf it was passed to asda does that mean they own the land now and they will have paid the college .for it .
Asda came first , Tesco second, on the second bid
CAMSFC decided to choose Asda on the second bid
Not sure why there were two bidding rounds maybe first round was with planning second without but I am not sure. There is talk from inside the college that the land was passed over to Asda at the end of Jan 2012 but this has NOT BEEN CONFIRMED but it has come from a reliable source from inside the college so only time will tell.
Waitrose bid was not accepted as they didn't bid enough initially
I'm not convinced of that, Lisa. There's one overriding imperative: the college must be able to maintain student numbers at the current level at least, or they will lose funding. If they can't raise enough from the disposal of the Hibbert Lane site, they won't be able to build sufficient space round the corner at Buxton Lane to accommodate all the displaced activity from Hibbert Lane. I seem to recall that the site was valued at only £4 million if used for housing. I don't think that would be enough, so it could cause the entire scheme to collapse. :o
Consider this, call it a hypothetical question if you like.
Asda for all it tries can't get planning permission - so leaves town - hurrah! for some not for others - I KNOW THAT!
As the deal with cmsfc was dependent upon PP being granted, cmsfc get no money from Asda therefore they cannot afford to run three sites. As Hibbert Lane offers the most potential they leave the site and put it up for sale -but no buyers come. The buildings are left to dilapidate and the vandals move in stealing;lead,copper, roof tiles anything that they can strip or carry away. Very soon the site is an eyesore - then the travellers move in.
Fanciful, pessimistic and far -fetched ??
I assume that by MCSFC you mean camsfc? If so, there is no evidence that if the sale falls through, the college can't continue to operate on their current three sites (one in Cheadle, two in Marple). They are not seeking to sell Hibbert Lane because of any financial difficulty - as far as we know, it is simply a way of improving and updating their buildings, while at the same time reducing their running costs.
[You're quite right there is no evidence for what I say but there isn't any for what you say either.
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE WON'T END UP IN TWO YEARS WITH A VANDALISED ABANDONED SITE?
We can't know for sure until we see agreement details but what has probably occurred is that Asda have bought it subject to obtaining PP and if they don't get it ownership reverts back to MCSFC.
Maybe it could be sold for the purpose it was gifted for, Education ? Possibly an alternative education provider could make use of the site at a reasonable price. It has never ceased to amaze me that the people who supported a loss in an education facility were not only governors of CAMSFC but were prominent people working as lectures and professors based at Manchester University, the very people who should have been campaigning to save an education site for future generations I know I will hear that old chestnut that CAMSFC are doing it to enhance facilities but at what cost to local Marple young people. I am not sure what the population of MARPLE is currently but I do know that it's a dam sight more than when I was a school so how can we now think that we need less education sites ?I assume that by MCSFC you mean camsfc? If so, there is no evidence that if the sale falls through, the college can't continue to operate on their current three sites (one in Cheadle, two in Marple). They are not seeking to sell Hibbert Lane because of any financial difficulty - as far as we know, it is simply a way of improving and updating their buildings, while at the same time reducing their running costs.
Sorry to mislead by transposing the letters in the abbreviation. Your assumption is of course correct. You're quite right there is no evidence for what I say but there isn't any for what you say either. I own up - I am 100% speculating and what I say is HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE WON'T END UP IN TWO YEARS WITH A VANDALISED ABANDONED SITE?
I ask this question in an objective way not in a challenging way.
Fair enough Dave,And do you really believe that the community believe the hype ? And believe everything we are told by the town hall suits ? You could not be more wrong, the community is watching and if any good has ever come out of the supermarket issue, it is that gone are the days when deals were done behind closed doors. This has been a wake up call for the community and will hopefully allow us to have consultation on any other future changes which directly effect us !
Thank you for responding.
I have not read the ofsted but I will accept what you say about the College's finances being sound.
However, I am sure that you agree that this is only one component in the equation. Much of what you say after that (although I do agree with your bit about the co-op) even the bit about the co-op is based on balance of probability or to be pedantic - balance of improbability which of course is just another name for speculation.
The people of Marple have been told from the onset and progressively by their elders and betters as far as CMSFC is concerned this and that etc etc will not be allowed ... nevertheless much of what was deemed to be "not be allowed" has come to pass. The latest declaration of "not be allowed" is planning permission for a supermarket by the Council. Well forgive my cynicism!
Anyway I go of track as I know that YOU ARE ONLY TRYING TO BE HELPFUL.
Just a few more minutes of you time. What IYHO do you think will happen to the site if Asda do not get panning permission
I assume that by MCSFC you mean camsfc? If so, there is no evidence that if the sale falls through, the college can't continue to operate on their current three sites (one in Cheadle, two in Marple). They are not seeking to sell Hibbert Lane because of any financial difficulty - as far as we know, it is simply a way of improving and updating their buildings, while at the same time reducing their running costs.
Sorry to mislead by transposing the letters in the abbreviation. Your assumption is of course correct. You're quite right there is no evidence for what I say but there isn't any for what you say either. I own up - I am 100% speculating and what I say is HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE WON'T END UP IN TWO YEARS WITH A VANDALISED ABANDONED SITE?
I ask this question in an objective way not in a challenging way.
Ok you use words better than me .but ithink the no brigade should be concerned it could drive people away from marple ,if it's left to vandals .but that's just my opinion people sometimes don't like my opinion on this forum .
I believed all apps went through the local planning meeting first.. and that's when they KNOW what the app entails! The local one can then send it to a central one? This application if I remember all the info correctly has been transferred to full planning months before an application exists!! This frees our lovely councillors to finally have an opinion as they wont be part of that committee, and lets be honest, why on earth, after their initial silence whilst I'm sure they gauged general opinion, speak out FOR a supermarket when the election is looming?
I value your opinion Amazon even though we sometimes go head to head ! :DI assume that by MCSFC you mean camsfc? If so, there is no evidence that if the sale falls through, the college can't continue to operate on their current three sites (one in Cheadle, two in Marple). They are not seeking to sell Hibbert Lane because of any financial difficulty - as far as we know, it is simply a way of improving and updating their buildings, while at the same time reducing their running costs.
Sorry to mislead by transposing the letters in the abbreviation. Your assumption is of course correct. You're quite right there is no evidence for what I say but there isn't any for what you say either. I own up - I am 100% speculating and what I say is HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE WON'T END UP IN TWO YEARS WITH A VANDALISED ABANDONED SITE?
I ask this question in an objective way not in a challenging way
Ok you use words better than me .but ithink the no brigade should be concerned it could drive people away from marple ,if it's left to vandals .but that's just my opinion people sometimes don't like my opinion on this forum .
Fair enough Dave,
Thank you for responding.
I have not read the ofsted but I will accept what you say about the College's finances being sound.
[You're quite right there is no evidence for what I say but there isn't any for what you say either.
Well here's the evidence for the College's finances being sound: http://www.camsfc.ac.uk/assets/file/Annual_reports/Annual_Rep_08_09_lr.pdf
In addition, a fairly recent Ofsted inspection graded their financial position as 'outstanding', I believe. So we know that the College is not disposing of the site because they are in any financial difficulty.
In answer to your question....HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE WON'T END UP IN TWO YEARS WITH A VANDALISED ABANDONED SITE?
... we don't KNOW anything for sure, but that outcome is so improbable that we can safely disregard it. This is because the College can not afford to (indeed, would not be allowed to) close courses or deliberately reduce student numbers. So they will not sell the site unless they can get enough money for it to build sufficient replacement accommodation on the Buxton Lane site. And no-one would buy it for £12 million or any other significant sum and then let it become a wasteland. I understand the point about the site being bought up to be a 'land bank', but AFAIK that is usually done as a 'blocking move', when a big supermarket chain (e.g. Asda) buys up land to stop another big chain (e.g. Tesco) from opening up in competition with them. The only supermarket in that position round here would be the Co-op. Can anyone see them doing that? Me neither...... ;)
Where I do agree with you, finetime, is here:We can't know for sure until we see agreement details but what has probably occurred is that Asda have bought it subject to obtaining PP and if they don't get it ownership reverts back to MCSFC.
It's not escaped my attention with the pictures outside the college with the campaign 'THINK AGAIN' do they think we are fools ?
Are you referring to the financial report for the year ending July 31st 2009 - surely a bit out of date by now? Could you post a link to the more recent OFSTED report which said it was 'outstanding'?
What IYHO do you think will happen to the site if Asda do not get panning permission?
See:
Are you referring to the financial report for the year ending July 31st 2009 - surely a bit out of date by now? Could you post a link to the more recent OFSTED report which said it was 'outstanding'?
Hibbert Lane buildings, which are outdated and unsuitable. It was built eighty years ago as a secondary school - very different layout and requirements compared with the 21st century curriculum of a 6th form college, needless to say. And they will have to divert precious (and diminishing) funds to repairing, heating and maintaining inefficient premises - funds which ought to be used for teaching our youngsters.
I am unsure where the idea of only 1 million for housing has come from :-\
Students do pretty well at Oxbridge and those buildings are not brand new.
Hi just thought I would jog a few peoples memories. CAMSFC were offered 9.5 million for the site from a company who were going to put a small supermarket and a housing development on the site. I am unsure where the idea of only 1 million for housing has come from :-\
For those who like political intrigue Council Committee mini - reshuffle tonight. Place going on Planning Commitee. Town Hall Mole tells me Marple Mafia are chasing it.
Asda NO camp take note. SA & MC succumbing to pressure of election and pressure from MIA (MIA fantastic at raising public awareness but political savvy of heavyweight boxer) have contaminated beyond repair their vote via PREDETEMINATION SO THEY'RE USELESS. CW same problem.
SI current AC chair so a bit messy. AB - maybe but might put his foot in his mouth, its a trait of his. If it's KD THEN I think that the NO'S can safely say that all local Councillors are in the NO camp - do you understand why Miss Marple and MIA? If you don't then its too difficult for me to explain.
For those who like political intrigue Council Committee mini - reshuffle tonight. Place going on Planning Commitee. Town Hall Mole tells me Marple Mafia are chasing it.
Asda NO camp take note. SA & MC succumbing to pressure of election and pressure from MIA (MIA fantastic at raising public awareness but political savvy of heavyweight boxer) have contaminated beyond repair their vote via PREDETEMINATION SO THEY'RE USELESS. CW same problem.
SI current AC chair so a bit messy. AB - maybe but might put his foot in his mouth, its a trait of his. If it's KD THEN I think that the NO'S can safely say that all local Councillors are in the NO camp - do you understand why Miss Marple and MIA? If you don't then its too difficult for me to explain.
Duke,I know what Duke Fame means and I am sure you do really ?
Oxford, Cambridge and Marple College, bless you! Not a comparison that immediately springs to mind - wouldn't you agree?
For those who like political intrigue Council Committee mini - reshuffle tonight. Place going on Planning Commitee. Town Hall Mole tells me Marple Mafia are chasing it.Very condsecending post!I don't think Miss Marple or MIA need you to explain anything >:(
Asda NO camp take note. SA & MC succumbing to pressure of election and pressure from MIA (MIA fantastic at raising public awareness but political savvy of heavyweight boxer) have contaminated beyond repair their vote via PREDETEMINATION SO THEY'RE USELESS. CW same problem.
SI current AC chair so a bit messy. AB - maybe but might put his foot in his mouth, its a trait of his. If it's KD THEN I think that the NO'S can safely say that all local Councillors are in the NO camp - do you understand why Miss Marple and MIA? If you don't then its too difficult for me to explain.
Thank you Mrs O ! but I will have to be honest at first sight without my glasses I thought it was in Lithuanian but then with my glasses on it still looked like a post from a Lithuanian overseas member of the forum. But after texting nearly the whole of Marple I found someone to explain what it meant So thank you Finetime but please remember I am a simple gal and need spoon feeding such complicated information. But welcome to the site your impute is enthralling :-\
Be my guest:
SA = Councillor Shan Alexander
MC = Councillor Martin Candler
MIA = Marple in Action (a local anti-supermarket campaign)
CW = Councillor Craig Wright
SI = Councillor Susan Ingham
AB = Councillor Andrew Bispham
KD = Councillor Kevin Dowling
Loose translation: by declaring themselves in advance to be against the college's plans, our local councillors have effectively debarred themselves from being involved in considering the planning applications. Whoops!
KD words fail me ! But I hope to be proved wrong :-\
discussed the nuances of a 'new' supermarket in Marple with counterparts/ friends/ colleagues who live in Glossop or Poynton, both of which remain vibrantI haven't heard anyone from Glossop or Ponton who think that the new supermarket developments in these towns have beneficial. In fact I've spoken to a number of people who use to shop there who now travel to Marple instead.
MIA furious at the prospect of this "Supermarket" and totally ignorant in the nuances of the planning process, as part of its NO CAMPAIGN set about political intimidation of local Councillors. This involved such things as visiting Councillors in their surgeries in Marple Public Library and threatening various political tactics unless Councillors publicly joined the NO CAMPAIGNI think from your last post you have now divulged your identity, and may be using this forum to promote your own personal business issues. If you have evidence of intimidation please divulge it to the rest of the forum.
I haven't heard anyone from Glossop or Ponton who think that the new supermarket developments in these towns have beneficial. In fact I've spoken to a number of people who use to shop there who now travel to Marple instead.
both Glossop and Poynton from a traffic point of view have become NO GO areas.
Duke,
Oxford, Cambridge and Marple College, bless you! Not a comparison that immediately springs to mind - wouldn't you agree?
I love it :D It's like saying the only difference between Fortnum and Mason and, say, Aldi, is the quality of the staff and customers. ;D
Continuing; 2Oh dear Finetime you have dropped a bit of a mess and political b*****k there haven't you. I can assure you that I have never been to councillor surgery and for your information the 3 councillors that you name all came to the first ever MIA meeting back in June ! Now you are one of three people ! Now let me think ??? Is your partner a council member ???? Or are you a member of a certain group ???or are you the person that thinks they can develop MARPLE single handed and reap all the rewards without consultation ??? Oh now let me think this one over
What actually happened was this.
MIA furious at the prospect of this "Supermarket" and totally ignorant in the nuances of the planning process, as part of its NO CAMPAIGN set about political intimidation of local Councillors. This involved such things as visiting Councillors in their surgeries in Marple Public Library and threatening various political tactics unless Councillors publicly joined the NO CAMPAIGN - it has to be said here that MIA were completely oblivious to "contamination of vote by pre-determination" but Councillors being Councillors were not - nor at least should not have been. At least three Councillors were threatened in this way at their public surgeries. They were SA, MC AND KD. What then followed is of course a matter of record as Councillors; Alexander & Candler quickly caved in followed by Councillor Wright. We can only assume that Cllr KD did not.
In the ensuing months these three Councillors would denounce the Supermarket at every opportunity. This would include making verbal statements at the extraordinary AC, a convention recorded on CCTV, speaking at MIA rallies - and also providing written statements at the written behest of MIA.
In doing so they have contaminated their view by pre-determination in a completety, irrevocable and
unprecendented way and have disqualified themseves from playing any part whatsoever in the planning process for the Hibbert Lane Supermarket.
Why have they behaved in such a way?.....TO BE CONTINUED...
I might be wrong here, but I thought MIA effectively publically challenged the local councillors and the MP to come out in support of the group and attend the public rally (if not, its the impression that I got from the various statements on this board). That potentially put the Councillors between a rock and a hard place didn't it? If they didn't come out in support, they would have been lambasted and they knew it, but in so doing it effectively means that they can't now argue that they would give any future planning application due consideration. Which is a shame as the application will now probably be considered / determined by non Marple councillors.No Belly you could not be further from the truth! Our first ever MIA meeting was held in June and all interested people who had read this thread on the forum sent me a PM and attended a meeting. Councillors also attended this meeting and informed us that they knew nothing about the sale of CAMSFC to a supermarket, which seems a little strange as one of the Councillors was Shan Alexander who was a governour at the college when they first started their talks with land buyers. As I have said before some councillors jumped before the truth was out IE they did not want to vote against something that they possibly once supported and kept secret from the community. It's politics with a small p and it stinks and the people of MARPLE need to know the truth :-\
I guess it was always going to work out like that though and I can see the benefit of the strongest possible local campaign for MIA.
Quotediscussed the nuances of a 'new' supermarket in Marple with counterparts/ friends/ colleagues who live in Glossop or Poynton, both of which remain vibrantI haven't heard anyone from Glossop or Ponton who think that the new supermarket developments in these towns have beneficial. In fact I've spoken to a number of people who use to shop there who now travel to Marple instead.
Also both Glossop and Poynton from a traffic point of view have become NO GO areas.
The Glossop traffic NO GO issue is nothing to do with the Tesco, or any of the other shops, it's simply because the main road through the centre of Glossop is the A57, AKA the Snake Pass, one of the two main routes from Greater Manchester over to Sheffield.How come then on a Sunday, once you manage to get past the lights where Tesco is the traffic miraculously disappears?
QuoteThe Glossop traffic NO GO issue is nothing to do with the Tesco, or any of the other shops, it's simply because the main road through the centre of Glossop is the A57, AKA the Snake Pass, one of the two main routes from Greater Manchester over to Sheffield.How come then on a Sunday, once you manage to get past the lights where Tesco is the traffic miraculously disappears?
I think from your last post you have now divulged your identity, and may be using this forum to promote your own personal business issues. If you have evidence of intimidation please divulge it to the rest of the forum.
WRONG !!! The councillors jumped on the MIA band wagon and could not wait to vote against a supermarket. Now I have always smelt a rat with some councillors jumping ship and climbing on board MIA I have not quite worked it out yet, but Hey I Will !!! I think it's what they call damage limitation by some of our councillors. The truth will soon be out !
Finetime,What on earth has rattled your cage since you registered on the Forum 12 days ago?You make some serious allegations about bullying?How can a few people bully and intimidate the councillors?What could these people possibly threaten them with?MIA are not a political organisation and those councillors are not fit for purpose if they cannot stand their ground.It is laughable!You Quote In doing so they have contaminated their view by pre-determination in a completety, irrevocable and unprecendented way and have disqualified themseves from playing any part whatsoever in the planning process for the Hibbert Lane Supermarket.Of course they know that, it was mentioned a long time ago and is of no concern to MIA.Who are just a bunch of people who are fighting against,in theirs and many other peoples opinion, the destruction of Marple town centre,the disruption to people whose homes surround the Hibbert Lane site and the Buxton Lane site and also increased traffic.Why don't you tell us more about yourself? ;)Dear Mrs O,
It takes me all my time to support myself ! I purport to be nothing more than a messenger, an informed one at that ! And please do not insult my intelligence, I act this way as not to insult yours :-*WRONG !!! The councillors jumped on the MIA band wagon and could not wait to vote against a supermarket. Now I have always smelt a rat with some councillors jumping ship and climbing on board MIA I have not quite worked it out yet, but Hey I Will !!! I think it's what they call damage limitation by some of our councillors. The truth will soon be out !
Dear Miss Marple, Considering that you purport to be a "Community Leader" your innocence and politiical naivette is almost beguiling.
[quote I think from your last post you have now divulged your identity, and may be using this forum to promote your own personal business issues. If you have evidence of intimidation please divulge it to the rest of the forum.
The swimming pool, just like the library, or even the cinema, is one of those amenities that very few people use yet there is an outcry whenever there is suggestion one may close.. So the elderly people have to go to Stockport to use a library I don't think so .
Personally, I think it would be advantageous to have just one swimming pool and library is Stockport town centre and none others in the borough - council tax would go right down!
I don't mind the college being demolished but a new large supermarket seems a bit OTT for this area - more council housing would be a better addition to the area.
QuoteThe Glossop traffic NO GO issue is nothing to do with the Tesco, or any of the other shops, it's simply because the main road through the centre of Glossop is the A57, AKA the Snake Pass, one of the two main routes from Greater Manchester over to Sheffield.How come then on a Sunday, once you manage to get past the lights where Tesco is the traffic miraculously disappears?
Probably because it's a Sunday and so there's no commerical traffic over the Pass. Try going through Glossop at any other time as I find the traffic doesn't disappear until you get past the traffic lights in the centre of Glossop (which are the last set on the A57 until you get to the Ladybower Reservoir).
Glossop has the same traffic issues with the Snake as Hollingworth/Tintwhistle does with the Woodhead, shear volume of through traffic. And you certainly can't blame Hollingworth's problems on a Supermarket.
All ways been like that even before a supermarket they sayif your not out of Glossop before 7.30 in a morning you will be late for work
My sister lives in Glossop - has done since 1981. She works in Manchester City Centre. Most days she uses the train but ocassionally she has to go in by car. When she does she leaves home at 7-15am to be certain of being in for 9am. She's been doing that for years - long before Tesco came to town.
That's what I said in my posting .
It doesn't really matter whether Councillors jumped on MIA's bandwagon what does matter is that it was provided by MIA in the first place and in the second place they were practically heaved upon it by MIA.Indeed - and many of us watched it happen at the 'party in the park' last July!
In fact you have helped ASDA come to town instead of deterring it. MIA by behaving in such a way has nullified the efforts of the marches and rallies of the ordinary people of MARPLE - well it would have done if Asda take any notice of popular opinion - which they don't of course!
As for 'popular opinion', we don't know what that is, yet. If you talk to friends and neighbours about this, as we all do, opinions seem to be divided. Some are strongly opposed, some are strongly in favour, but my totally unscientific impression is that a lot of sensible people are waiting until they can see the proposals before they rush to judgement.
Hi Finetime I find your analysis amusing, it has brought some humour into my politically naive life, so for that I thank you ! Lol :D
Hi Finetime I find your analysis amusing, it has brought some humour into my politically naive life, so for that I thank you ! Lol :D
Thank you Miss Marple, your comments are indeed gracious.
There is one small question though, it is perhaps an example of MY OWN naivety....call me old-fashioned, I don't mind but I have never really been able to keep up with the Americanization of the English Language. To my deep chagrin I have never even watched one part of an episode of "Friends" nor have I seen the same of "Hannah Montana" or is it "Savannah"....apologies, I don't really know.
Anyway, I have heard several versions of this acronym....but what actually does LOl mean?
That's what I said in my posting .
THAT'S AMAZING AMAZON - MUST BE SOME KIND OF TELEPATHIC TOGETHERNESS.
Strangely enough I don't watch TV, I find it boring, I'm more of a party animal, bingo , tea dances ,cheese and wine parties, Tupperware parties or bridge is my preferred recreation ! Heather is correct it's Laugh out loud ! Or it could mean Love you Lots ! :-\ But in this case it's Laugh out loud or when I am being really really crazy I say OMG Lol I'm just wild !Hi Finetime I find your analysis amusing, it has brought some humour into my politically naive life, so for that I thank you ! Lol :D
Thank you Miss Marple, your comments are indeed gracious.
There is one small question though, it is perhaps an example of MY OWN naivety....call me old-fashioned, I don't mind but I have never really been able to keep up with the Americanization of the English Language. To my deep chagrin I have never even watched one part of an episode of "Friends" nor have I seen the same of "Hannah Montana" or is it "Savannah"....apologies, I don't really know.
Anyway, I have heard several versions of this acronym....but what actually does LOl mean?
Amazing! Tupperware parties, Bridge clubs, fare dodging - I didn't realise that Marple was so charged with iniquities. What next drive by shootings and greek style orgies?
Hawk Green chippy? :P
Bottom line is - like practically all content about the alleged supermarket on this forum - there is a lack of any real data or objective analysis of what the impact of an alleged new business would do to the town. It all seems to descend into the same unfounded scaremongering which is actually counter-productive whatever one's supposed position! :-\Hi Heritage I wish it was an alleged supermarket on Hibbert Lane but sadly it is not. I appreciate that this thread is far too long for you to read through but the reality is that I was one of very few people that was granted an audience with Ms Cassidy (Principal CAMSFC) who informed me back in July that she was in talks with 2 Supermarkets ! So whatever else you may deem as scaremongering sadly the prospect of a supermarket is a reality and a big one at that. 8.5 acres of land is on the table so I hope you don't think it will be an ASDA express ! Oh silly me they don't do small do they ???
Heritage I agree with some points of what you say, but when you say them or call the process that has developed, please be mindful that if it had not been for MIA the people of MARPLE would be non the wiser. Ms Cassidy and the corporation were outraged when staff leaked the information out to the public. Did you have sight of the emails I posted on this site, which the college after taking legal advice asked admin to remove? If you did then forgive me for repeating myself, but the contents of the emails were quite intimidating to staff members from Ms Cassidy. In one she wrote that she had been inundated with calls from the Town Hall, members of the public and other interested parties and as a result it had been decided that staff would not receive anymore information until the deal had been signed.My only question on this is why do we 'have a right to know' what an individual or organisation is thinking / considering / planning? Is this the local thought police at work here? :D
So Heritage you must forgive MIA for exposing this matter. Because we believe that staff, local shops, businesses and the residents living next to the two sites had a right to know. I was given this information by a concerned staff member, what did you want me to do with it ? Act like Ms Cassidy and the corporation and try to deceive the people of Marple ? Never I set higher standards for myself than that.
Ultimately if the college were considering selling (or perhaps more accurately 'optioning') their land to whoever and for whatever purpose, there is an argument that it was their business. Why must we know anything before a planning application was submitted? The whole point of the planning application process is that it is on submission of the application that full public consultation takes place, i.e. once there are facts on the table to consider and debate.
..... I hope you don't think it will be an ASDA express ! Oh silly me they don't do small do they ???
My god it will look lost on 8.5 acres. :-X I doubt they will be paying 13 million to build a store of that size! Do you ?..... I hope you don't think it will be an ASDA express ! Oh silly me they don't do small do they ???
What an odd thing to say!
ASDA are into small in a big way. And their smaller supermarkets charge exactly the same prices as their big superstores, unlike some other retailers.
The nearest small ASDA is in Poynton. See http://storelocator.asda.com/store/poynton (http://storelocator.asda.com/store/poynton)
why has Ms Cassidy and her corporation refused to speak to residents around the site who are worried about increased noise, light and traffic pollution.
Why did 3 LOCAL governors stand down in protest of the plans, that they HAD sight of. It all seems a little strange to me !
Utter waste of time! What a load of febrile and self-centred nonsense :-[
The college is trying to improve its buildings for the benefit of our children and grandchildren. A noisy and self-appointed group of campaigners is trying to stop them, and in the process is, at times, spreading misinformation.
It could also be said that the reason many of our children do not choose to go to the college is because they lack the facilities that other local colleges can provide. They lack these facilities because they have had to spend money over the years on buildings that have been way past their best for a number of years now.My children decided not to go to the local college but to go to one that (at the time) had less facilities but offerred much better pastoral care. New facilities are not the prime consideration when deciding on which establishment offers the best educational opportunities, range of courses and ethos are probably more important. Do you think that CAMSFC is setting a good example of social responsibility in the way that they have conducted themselves over the last 6 years?
Do you think that CAMSFC is setting a good example of social responsibility in the way that they have conducted themselves over the last 6 years?
QuoteThe college is trying to improve its buildings for the benefit of our children and grandchildren. A noisy and self-appointed group of campaigners is trying to stop them, and in the process is, at times, spreading misinformation.
It could also be said that the college, which is supposed to be a part of the local community is waving two fingers at the local community and is behaving in a "I'm all right Jack manner". There is a large number of local children who have made the choice NOT to attend the local college, maybe because they see the college as a socially irresponsible organisation. They (the college) have to earn the right to educate our children, their present stance puts into question if they are a fit body to undertake this.
Yes. Striving to provide the best possible facilities for your students, and ensuring that scarce resources are directed towards funding teaching rather than maintaining out-of-date and inefficient buildings, is exactly what a socially responsible educational organisation should be doing.I would have thought that quality of teaching, college standards and student care were more important than bright shiny new rooms. Maybe the college should be asked why the Cheadle site buildings are not outdated. Oh weren't they updated a number of years ago when the two college's merged?
Now, how do you "improve teaching" with money? is that by getting more expensive teachers? i didnt really think that was possible!
In the end actually i think it is about leadership, a good manager always brings the best out of their staff regardless of the facilities!
At Cheadle, as at Marple, the college initially operated in two former school buildings. About ten years ago it had the good fortune to discover that one of them was unsafe because of reinforced concrete decay, and it had to be demolished. It therefore had to be replaced, hence the smart and efficient new building which students use on the Cheadle site.
The other building at Cheadle (the former girls' grammar school) is also still in use, although I believe it has had some modernisation work. It is only about 50 years old - whereas the Hibbert Lane building dates from 1931.
I entirely agree that quality of teaching, college standards and student care are very important. But in reality, these factors improve as a result of replacing inefficient old buildings with efficient new ones, because funds are released to improve them. And it isn't really about 'shiny new rooms' at all, though students do like them, and so do staff - and attracting and retaining the best staff is key to providing a quality education.
However, the key factor is cost and efficiency. Having managed a college which moved from grotty old converted buildings to shiny new purpose-built ones, I can tell you that the savings in running costs (heating, lighting, maintenance) and in space efficiency were astonishing, and of course they are savings which recur, year in, year out, and become really significant. And this enabled us to free up much needed resources to help improve the teaching.
THe conditions where people are has little correlation to performance, Elton Mayo's experiments prove this.
If the NPV of savings is greater than the cost of demolition and rebuild, surely the college will do that anyway, regardless of selling the site.
At no point did I suggest otherwise - the closest I got was pointing out that people like nice new buildings. They may not perform better, but good working conditions are well known to be a factor in hanging on to good staff.
At no point did I suggest otherwise - the closest I got was pointing out that people like nice new buildings. They may not perform better, but good working conditions are well known to be a factor in hanging on to good staff.
I would think the staff would be happy just to hang on to their jobs wouldn't you agree Dave old boy ? Have you deliberately forgotten about the job losses at CAMSFC should this proposal go ahead! I swear you have selective memory syndrome :-\
Which job losses would these be? Now admittedly you have to talk the College at their word at the moment, as there are no firm plans in place (for pretty much anything related to this discussion in fact), but they have said that they intend to make the move to Buxton Lane with no loss of facility, curriculum or student capacity.Can you please let me know where the college have confirmed this fact. If you look at the Governors minutes you will see that the job losses are actually this and next financial year the exact wording is
QuoteWhich job losses would these be? Now admittedly you have to talk the College at their word at the moment, as there are no firm plans in place (for pretty much anything related to this discussion in fact), but they have said that they intend to make the move to Buxton Lane with no loss of facility, curriculum or student capacity.Can you please let me know where the college have confirmed this fact. If you look at the Governors minutes you will see that the job losses are actually this and next financial year the exact wording is
The pay assumptions made when setting the budget included that additional staff savings would be made in 2011/12 and 2012/13 through restructuring of over £1m.
That is a considerable number of non teaching staff. Also if you look at the number of courses offerred at the Cheadle site against the Marple sites you will see that there is a lot of courses that are now only available at the Cheadle site,that were once available at both sites. What we are seeing is the slow reduction in the Marple sites prior to any move to one site.
I don't understand that post. By ' transferring subjects to another campus', do you mean Buxton Lane or Cheadle?You know exactly what I mean ! So why are we already losing curriculum at Marple, could it be that the corporation think they are a law unto themselves ?
In any case, the underlying position is clear: there must be no loss of curriculum in Marple as the result of any land disposal. And that is how it has to be. What's the problem? ???
Don't get me wrong, there may well be big job losses, as a lot can change over the next (shall I be optimistic and say) 5 yrs that it takes for these plans to come to fruition, but as yet, there is no evidence that there will be.
When you "optimistically say 5 years" I'm not sure whether you are referring to building the ASDA or realising the College's development plans or both. I don't know about the College and we don't really know what their development plans are - other than a catch-all statement to develop the Buxton Campus. However as far as Asda is concerned if they put their planning application in a day after local elections in May and SMBC's Planning Committee nods it through then there is no reason why you can't be patting yourself on the derriere as you walk through the doors whistling the asda price jingle by next Easter.
You know exactly what I mean !
So why are we already losing curriculum at Marple?
However as far as Asda is concerned if they put their planning application in a day after local elections in May and SMBC's Planning Committee nods it through then there is no reason why you can't be patting yourself on the derriere as you walk through the doors whistling the asda price jingle by next Easter. And before anybody starts jumping up and down saying the Council have made a public statement that they will refuse planning permission - well they have said no such thing - the Director of Planning has and so has the leader of the Council (who incidentally has a good chance of losing his seat in May) but they aren't the Council - they're just a couple of people involved with it.
I could not agree more Finetime ! Everything in my opinion has been staged and planned until after the elections, I am sure some of the suits think we are stupid, but believe me we really are one step ahead ;)
That's the problem ! Lord Hill in his last letter to me had been assured by the YPLA that there would be no loss of curriculum if the sites merged and that plans were already being drawn up to include all curriculum lost at the Hibbert lane site in the plans for Buxton Lane. Now I maybe a lot of things but I am no mathematician but even I can see that 2 into 1 won't go,
I think you'll find there's ample space at Buxton Lane for the college to build what it needs, without building significantly higher than the present Buxton Lane. Also, it's important to realise that the floor area of a new building will not be as great as what they are replacing at Hibbert Lane. One of the main reasons for getting rid of Hibbert Lane is that is used very inefficiently, because it was built as a secondary school. Consequently, many of the rooms are the wrong size: schools have nice neat classes of 30 kids - 6th form colleges don't: far from it! So the new building, being purpose built, should be quite a bit smaller.
we are not dealing with officers who have planning agendas we are dealing with politicians who have political one's. Elected members have been overuling Officers for years and there is nothing to say that they won't do it here. If it suits them they'll throw the LDF out of the window without even opening it.
I could not agree more Finetime ! Everything in my opinion has been staged and planned until after the elections, I am sure some of the suits think we are stupid, but believe me we really are one step ahead ;)Dave, the fact that Hibbert Lane has been zoned for housing in the Council's LDF, and your right it has, offers no guarantees at all that it can't be used for retail. What it probably guarantees is that the Planning Officers will recommend refusal to ASDA but we are not dealing with officers who have planning agendas we are dealing with politicians who have political one's. Elected members have been overuling Officers for years and there is nothing to say that they won't do it here. If it suits them they'll throw the LDF out of the window without even opening it. The power here is with the Councillors not the Officers nor the LDF. If they refuse permission then ASDA can appeal as you say but if they grant it - that is it...game...set and match.
As far as closing courses (or relocating them to Cheadle) is concerned, it's important to understand how further education works. Colleges are funded per student enrolment. They are suffering cuts in the unit of funding which require significant belt-tightening, job losses etc. The one thing no college does, especially in such a challenging financial climate, is close viable courses, because to do so is to turn down desperately needed cash!Dave you know as well as I do that there are certain courses that cost a lot more to put on than others, one way of maximising your revenue streams is to make sure that the courses you put on are the cheapest to run. i.e. Don't need any complex equipment, don't need laboratory technicians (science courses), can accommodate maximum number of students per teacher (mainly humanities), don't need large classrooms (like Art based courses). So the course maybe viable but not generate as much cash as something else (apprentice type course).
Miss M,
I think that I've explained it before - briefly its all to do with MIA castrating the local politicians and raising the profile of the situation with the Council Leader, so that it becomes a political issue.
If I go into it in detail, I'll bore everybody even more than I normally do then Belly and Dave will start battering me with planning laws - which I know in theory are correct and I also know that they are both intelligent, sensible guys but they don't ponder much on the political...which has a big influence. Belly has already threatened me with Big Eric Pickles and he said that he'll "call me in" - or was it out, I'm not sure and Dave said that he's going to make me understand ..."how further education works". Next I'll be the subject of one of Amazon's poetic assaults or Mrs O will leap onto me from that tree she's hiding in or maybe even Heritage will spit out yet another dummy in my direction.
I could take all that as long as Lisa doesn't start relegating my posts again because I 've just made friends with her after being on the losing end of an icy stand -off wherein she proved beyond doubt that I was completely irrelevant...why did I say that - she'll relegate this now. So Miss M, I'd love to explain again - but I think that I'd better go down the pub....Not the Ringer.
No doubt the college (or rather, its consultants) has done the investment appraisal, and their plan to demolish and rebuild has presumably come out with a with a positive NPV. But the college would not be permitted to borrow more than about 40% of turnover, so they will need to sell the land to raise the capital.
Yes, but what they would earn is small beer, especially in the current financial climate. It would certainly be nowhere near the millions they need to finance a new build.
I really really hope that the planning committee base this decision on politics if they say yes because that would be fantastic. sure a judical Review under those circumstances would be extremely easy to win just based on them ignoring national planning regulations and clearly openly ignoring the local plan.. would be brilliant!!
However it wont happen..
Yes, but what they would earn is small beer, especially in the current financial climate. It would certainly be nowhere near the millions they need to finance a new build.
In that case, there isn't a business case for it, simple as.
From: Miss marpleVery interesting to me that Andrew Hubert has stated the following,to your FOI request
16 March 2012 Freedom of Information Request
Dear Cheadle and Marple Sixth Form College,
Please provide a detailed list of all subjects / courses on the
Hibbert Lane Campus and Buxton Lane Campus for the periods
2006-2007
2008-2009
2010-2011
Also the subjects / courses that are currently available on both Marple
sites for this year 2012
Can you also highlight courses/subjects that have been transferred
during any of the requested periods to The Cheadle site
Yours faithfully,
Miss Marple
Now this should be interesting :o But I sincerely hope I am proved wrong. I will keep you posted !
FOI Course Request.xlsx
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Please find attached a spread sheet in response to your query
I don't know have to paste the spread sheet but you can click on to What do They Know to view it !
Not for nothing did Tony Blair say the FOI Act was his biggest regret in politics.
Paula, why do you feel you needed to use the FOI Act to find out who was funding Dan Bank when a sinple, civil letter to SMBC would have sufficed? Also, the FOI request re Christina Cassidy's past employment history is, in my opinion, verging towards bullying. Not for nothing did Tony Blair say the FOI Act was his biggest regret in politics.Raymond keep your powder dry it's all building up a picture, all will become clear, don't excite yourself so much it's not good ! :-*
Now this should be interesting :o But I sincerely hope I am proved wrong. I will keep you posted !
you wrote that you expected it to be interesting. Is it?
it's all building up a picture, all will become clear
When Miss M posted this particular FOI request, she wrote:. Tesco have stopped building new supermarkets upgrading the ones they have .Now this should be interesting :o But I sincerely hope I am proved wrong. I will keep you posted !
When the link to the response appeared, I enquired:you wrote that you expected it to be interesting. Is it?
Later, Miss M wrote:it's all building up a picture, all will become clear
So come on Miss M, stop doing the Dance of the Seven Veils ;) Keep us posted. Is it interesting or not? What's this picture it's building up? When will all become clear?
It was never Tesco. Not sure Asda have the same policy.Never said it was .ionly said tesco stopped building supermarkets .
Oh yes there have been a few in conection with the supermarket !Such as?
Oh yes there have been a few in conection with the supermarket !Such as?
Every FOI request costs money. Interestingly, the leader of Tyneside Council, when interviewed about the principle of such requests, branded FOI-Requesters as, in the main, "...lazy busybodies...wanting excitement in their lives" and it would be unfortunate were local and genuine any Marple issues to be tarred with the same sort of brush with requests which don't really say anything of real value. Or do they? Has anyone seen a FOI request anywhere and thought "Wow - I never knew that!!" ?
Oh yes there have been a few in conection with the supermarket !Such as?Every FOI request costs money. Interestingly, the leader of Tyneside Council, when interviewed about the principle of such requests, branded FOI-Requesters as, in the main, "...lazy busybodies...wanting excitement in their lives" and it would be unfortunate were local and genuine any Marple issues to be tarred with the same sort of brush with requests which don't really say anything of real value. Or do they? Has anyone seen a FOI request anywhere and thought "Wow - I never knew that!!" ?
So let's not unjustly pillory Miss M for her possibly, excessive FOI zeal. Her motivation is in only trying to uncover things which is the opposite of "Geordie Tyneside" who is trying to cover them up.
Hello Cripes,
No I have to say that I have not actually read 34 "irrelevant" FOI requests ! Have you ? If so why?
To prove some obscure point, that Miss M sends in pointless FOI requests - point proven.
What shall we do, take her outside and shoot her ? Is that what we're up to on this website -petty vindictiveness, just because someone gets you mad ? Therefore we go on to debate their actions which we consider to be irrelevant and pointless anyway.
Of course FOI requests cost money - our money. Save me from the views of the leader of Tyneside Council, why should his view prevail ? He's a politician and all politicians with no exception try to hide issues from members of the public. By nature they don't like FOI requests. Using him as an example is like asking the hangman to comment on the abolition of capital punishment.To say what he said is patronising and insulting to genuine people who ask for genuine, FOI requests. If my recall is correct the recent MP'S xpenses scandal was uncovered as a direct consequence of an FOI request, well at the time ... "Wow - I never knew that!! - I'm sure that there are many more ...to which we could apply the same exclamation.
So let's not unjustly pillory Miss M for her possibly, excessive FOI zeal. Her motivation is in only trying to uncover things which is the opposite of "Geordie Tyneside" who is trying to cover them up.
..."seems an odd thing to do"...
I agree but she's probably an odd person like the rest of us on this website.
Duke,
Please,not Mrs Oliver again. We all know about her and we don't need reminding. We're all slightly mad on here but we're not crazy.
To change the subject slightly. You'll like this Duke. Heard last night that the LGA (Local Government Association) has just awarded leader of the year ...."for sustained and titanic contribution to regeneration"
RICHARD LEESE.
According to the council's web site ...
Chadwick Street car park
The Council has now received five bids for the site.
The special Marple Area Committee meeting planned for Wednesday 16 May will no longer take place. Instead, a report will be considered by the Council's Executive on Monday 28 May recommending a preferred developer for the site.
A report will then be presented to the next Marple Area Committee on Wednesday 6 June to inform members and residents of the Executive’s decision.
None of the bids include the purchase of any additional properties or land, outside of the council land ownership, to make the development deliverable.
As was said at the very first meeting held in the Park, when too many people turned up for the Area Committee meeting. Any decision taken on a new supermarket in Marple would not be initially considered by the Area Committee but would be considered by the Council Executive. That is what is happening and that I believe is what MIA have said right from the beginning.
Chadwick Street Site: MIA knew nothing of this at the time of the "meeting in the park". It was months later before that site was even marketed. This was a strategy developed by Marple Councillors (and it has to be said that it is a cunning plan) its aim to ultimately prevent the construction of a supermarket on Hibbert Lane site. MIA were in total ignorance of this plan until they were informed along wiith everybody else that it had actually been implemented, by placing Chadwick St car-park for sale. Even then they didn't guess the possible outcome.I beg to differ, if you look at the correspondence MIA obtained under the Freedom of Information Act then you will see that the College's consultants were told by SMBC Officers of the Chadwick Street car park site and chose to ignore it.
Has anybody out there actually got any FACTS ?Go on then
Where is the "in the know" MIA?
Why doesn't somebody contact the local Councillors and ask them?
Has anybody out there actually got any FACTS ?Go on then
Where is the "in the know" MIA?
Why doesn't somebody contact the local Councillors and ask them?
Victor,
We seem to be talking about different things here but I'll take your word for it.
Going slightly (only slightly) off subject, does anybody know the names of the Councillors who are/will be on the Executive on the 28th of May?
The Department of transport and SMBC have already "Paved the way" for any major supermarket by altering junctions,a so called cycle track and stregthening of Dan Bank. ;)
The Department of transport and SMBC have already "Paved the way" for any major supermarket by altering junctions,a so called cycle track and stregthening of Dan Bank. ;)
So you don't think the road to Stockport sliping into the valley should have been addressed then. Why is it a "So called cycle tack"?
The Department of transport and SMBC have already "Paved the way" for any major supermarket by altering junctions,a so called cycle track and stregthening of Dan Bank. ;)
So you don't think the road to Stockport sliping into the valley should have been addressed then. Why is it a "So called cycle tack"?
What are you going on about that's done dusted years .
It appears traffic monitoring has started on Hibbert Lane camera is located near the vets ::).
It looked like they were actually dismantling the sensor outside the pet shop just after the parade had gone down the road and before it came back up.
27 June 2012 - Consultation Details (taken from SMBC web site):
Consultation Events – Friday 6 July 2012 10am – 6pm and Saturday 7 July 10am – 5pm
Cheadle & Marple 6th Form College, Hibbert Lane Campus.
Cheadle and Marple sixth form College and Asda have organised an exhibition for residents to find out about their plans for the Hibbert Lane and Buxton Lane sites. The College plans include a re-modelled campus on the Buxton Lane site for its students and the local community. The plans include refurbishing the Buxton buildings along with a new 6,000sq m teaching block and new sports hall. The site will be unified through a multi-use learning ‘street’ for informal and social learning and a new 3G all weather sports pitch and upgraded changing facilities.
Asda will present their plans for a neighbourhood supermarket on the Hibbert Lane site.
These consultation events are being run by the college and Asda, prior to the submission of a planning application. Should a planning application be made, there will be further opportunities to have your say.
27 June 2012 - Consultation Details (taken from SMBC web site):
Consultation Events – Friday 6 July 2012 10am – 6pm and Saturday 7 July 10am – 5pm
Cheadle & Marple 6th Form College, Hibbert Lane Campus.
Cheadle and Marple sixth form College and Asda have organised an exhibition for residents to find out about their plans for the Hibbert Lane and Buxton Lane sites. The College plans include a re-modelled campus on the Buxton Lane site for its students and the local community. The plans include refurbishing the Buxton buildings along with a new 6,000sq m teaching block and new sports hall. The site will be unified through a multi-use learning ‘street’ for informal and social learning and a new 3G all weather sports pitch and upgraded changing facilities.
Asda will present their plans for a neighbourhood supermarket on the Hibbert Lane site.
These consultation events are being run by the college and Asda, prior to the submission of a planning application. Should a planning application be made, there will be further opportunities to have your say.
To put this in perspective the size of the supermarket will be the size of 6 Football pitches and don't let them tell you any different !
Are you trying to say that Miss Marple and the rest of the meddling MIA have been telling 'porkies' all along???????
Perhaps some people should have waited for the plans to be made available, rather than make up 'facts'.
Cheadle and Marple sixth form College and Asda have organised an exhibition for residents to find out about their plans for the Hibbert Lane and Buxton Lane sites. The College plans include a re-modelled campus on the Buxton Lane site for its students and the local community. The plans include refurbishing the Buxton buildings along with a new build facility which includes a new 6,000sq m teaching block and new sports hall. The site will be unified through a multi-use learning ‘street’ for informal and social learning and a new 3G all weather sports pitch and upgraded changing facilities.
Asda will present their plans for a neighbourhood supermarket on the Hibbert Lane site. It is understood that the proposed supermarket will occupy a site smaller than the current college buildings.
These consultation events are being run by the college and Asda, prior to the submission of a planning application. Should a planning application be made, there will be further opportunities to have your say.
Cheadle and Marple sixth form College and Asda have organised an exhibition for residents to find out about their plans for the Hibbert Lane and Buxton Lane sites. The College plans include a re-modelled campus on the Buxton Lane site for its students and the local community. The plans include refurbishing the Buxton buildings along with a new 6,000sq m teaching block and new sports hall. The site will be unified through a multi-use learning ‘street’ for informal and social learning and a new 3G all weather sports pitch and upgraded changing facilities.
Asda will present their plans for a neighbourhood supermarket on the Hibbert Lane site.
These consultation events are being run by the college and Asda, prior to the submission of a planning application. Should a planning application be made, there will be further opportunities to have your say.
Oh dear. We've had misleading information from MIA in the past, but until now it has tended to come from individuals on this forum, or talking to passers-by at the MIA tent in Market Street, and not from official MIA statements. But this is obviously a deliberate attempt by MIA to conceal information, and it can only backfire on them, I'm afraid.
Dear Mr Clarke,
Cheadle and Marple Sixth Form College
I read that your company is planning to buy Cheadle and
Marple Sixth Form College, demolish it and build a supermarket.
As a resident of Marple, I am both shocked
and amazed. The shock is from learning that we now live
in a country that closes schools to open supermarkets.
My amazement is that a company such as yours that
spends so much to project a positive image would ever
dream about becoming involved in such a sad and
shameful story.
Given the rapacious nature of the big four supermarkets
chains, you may well choose to persist in the plan to destroy
an institute of education and build yet another of
your stores. But, be aware – you live in the court of
public opinion, and public opinion is strongly against this
loss of land that was gifted many years ago to the people
of Marple: ‘that their sons and daughters should be able
to learn and become good citizens’.
For your huge company to destroy a school and build
land gifted for education will be a public relations disaster
for ASDA. And be sure that the people of Marple will
make sure that the wider public knows. We will also fight
your plans – your money may buy good lawyers – but we
will fight nonetheless. And if you win? Well you will be
marked forever as the man who destroys places of
education to pursue yet another pound of profit.
Yours sincerely
Marple in Action
I think you're missing HWL's point, Lisa. It's not that either side is right or wrong - as you say, we will all find out in due course. But the problem is that MIA posted something described as 'Consultation Details (taken from SMBC web site), but then deliberately omitted one sentence from it. If the caption had read 'Excerpt from Consultation Details (taken from SMBC web site)' then they might have got away with it, but I'm afraid they have caught red-handed this time (or should it be red-faced?)
I think you're missing HWL's point, Lisa. It's not that either side is right or wrong - as you say, we will all find out in due course. But the problem is that MIA posted something described as 'Consultation Details (taken from SMBC web site), but then deliberately omitted one sentence from it. If the caption had read 'Excerpt from Consultation Details (taken from SMBC web site)' then they might have got away with it, but I'm afraid they have caught red-handed this time (or should it be red-faced?)
I wasn't the one who made that point Dave but I know what you mean. I pasted in both statements and there are some subtle other differences in there too. Not sure why so I was waiting from someone from MIA to come along before jumping to conclusions.
The supermarket could of course be as big as 6 five-a-side football pitches ::)
Why would the words " New build facility " also be omitted? I think the council have probably changed their original statement. No big deal, just unfortunate the first one has been quoted.I think you're missing HWL's point, Lisa. It's not that either side is right or wrong - as you say, we will all find out in due course. But the problem is that MIA posted something described as 'Consultation Details (taken from SMBC web site), but then deliberately omitted one sentence from it. If the caption had read 'Excerpt from Consultation Details (taken from SMBC web site)' then they might have got away with it, but I'm afraid they have caught red-handed this time (or should it be red-faced?)
I wasn't the one who made that point Dave but I know what you mean. I pasted in both statements and there are some subtle other differences in there too. Not sure why so I was waiting from someone from MIA to come along before jumping to conclusions.
The supermarket could of course be as big as 6 five-a-side football pitches ::)
Where did I object to the development ? I just want a few assurances is that too much to ask ?
Unless I post as MIA these are my own views which are of importance to me and my family who may stand to have their quality of life effected. I am no Luddite just a realist :-* and once it's done there's no turning back !
The college was offered 9.5 million by a company wanting to develop a small supermarket and a housing development on the site but this was refused by the college,
I feel sorry that the land on Hibbert Lane was not given over to The New Rose Hill to relocate to,
http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/mgCommitteeDetails.aspx?ID=138 (http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/mgCommitteeDetails.aspx?ID=138)
Consultation Events – Friday 6 July 2012 10am – 6pm and Saturday 7 July 10am – 5pm
Cheadle & Marple 6th Form College, Hibbert Lane Campus.
Cheadle and Marple sixth form College and Asda have organised an exhibition for residents to find out about their plans for the Hibbert Lane and Buxton Lane sites. The College plans include a re-modelled campus on the Buxton Lane site for its students and the local community. The plans include refurbishing the Buxton buildings along with a new 6,000sq m teaching block and new sports hall. The site will be unified through a multi-use learning ‘street’ for informal and social learning and a new 3G all weather sports pitch and upgraded changing facilities.
Consultation Events – Friday 6 July 2012 10am – 6pm and Saturday 7 July 10am – 5pm
Cheadle & Marple 6th Form College, Buxton Lane Campus off Hibbert Lane.
Cheadle and Marple sixth form College and Asda have organised an exhibition for residents to find out about their plans for the Hibbert Lane and Buxton Lane sites. The College plans include a re-modelled campus on the Buxton Lane site for its students and the local community. The plans include refurbishing the Buxton buildings along with a new build facility which includes a new 6,000sq m teaching block and new sports hall. The site will be unified through a multi-use learning ‘street’ for informal and social learning and a new 3G all weather sports pitch and upgraded changing facilities.
Oh dear. We've had misleading information from MIA in the past, but until now it has tended to come from individuals on this forum, or talking to passers-by at the MIA tent in Market Street, and not from official MIA statements. But this is obviously a deliberate attempt by MIA to conceal information, and it can only backfire on them, I'm afraid.Oh dear Dave! It seems you are the one with a red face ;D. The SMBC statement has changed again.
The statement from SMBC has not changed at all. Only the location of the exhibition has changed.
29 June 2012 - Consultation Details Changed (taken from SMBC web site):
The statement on the SMBC web site has changed since changed we copied and pasted it here on 27 June.
The new statement is detailed below and note the venue is now Buxton Lane:
Consultation Events – Friday 6 July 2012 10am – 6pm and Saturday 7 July 10am – 5pm,
Cheadle & Marple 6th Form College, Buxton Lane Campus off Hibbert Lane.
Cheadle and Marple sixth form College and Asda have organised an exhibition for residents to find out about their plans for the Hibbert Lane and Buxton Lane sites. The College plans include a re-modelled campus on the Buxton Lane site for its students and the local community. The plans include refurbishing the Buxton buildings along with a new build facility which includes a new 6,000sq m teaching block and new sports hall. The site will be unified through a multi-use learning ‘street’ for informal and social learning and a new 3G all weather sports pitch and upgraded changing facilities.
Asda will present their plans for a neighbourhood supermarket on the Hibbert Lane site. It is understood that the proposed supermarket will occupy a site smaller than the current college buildings.
These consultation events are being run by the college and Asda, prior to the submission of a planning application. Should a planning application be made, there will be further opportunities to have your say.
Use this link to confirm the details as it may change again: http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/mgCommitteeDetails.aspx?ID=138
Just wondering HWL1973 and Tina - where have you managed to view the newsletter and plans relating to the sale of the college and the new build at Buxton Lane?
I thought we had to wait until next weekend for the 'consultation events'.
Dear Resident
I am writing to involve you in the College’s plans for the Marple Sixth Form College. Senior managers
have recently finalised plans and have the full support of College governors.
In terms of achievement we have a record to be proud of with an A level pass rate of 99.1%,
an advanced vocational pass rate of 100%, and over 70% of leavers entering Higher Education
each year.
The Marple campus provides over 40 different subjects at Advanced level in art, performing arts,
mathematics, business and law, social sciences, sport, health and social care, English, modern foreign
languages, sciences and the humanities.These are accommodated on two Marple sites, at Hibbert
Lane and Buxton Lane.We regularly review our curriculum offer to ensure it fits with high school,
higher education and employer needs and plan to continue to offer the same breadth of opportunities
in the future.
Our staff and students perform extremely well in poor facilities but they deserve much better, as does
the local community who make good use of the College’s accommodation.
A report from external consultants, commissioned in 2007, stated that the College could not continue
to operate from the poor quality buildings and so, with the support of the Learning and Skills Council
(LSC), proposals were drawn up for the re-development of the Marple campus. However, with the
government’s abolition of the LSC, all our plans had to be abandoned as no alternative funds could
be found.
In March 2010 we again commissioned external consultants who reviewed the quality and condition
of the College’s accommodation and provided a new long-term property strategy. The property
consultants’ report shows clearly that the Marple Sixth Form College’s full curriculum can be housed
in first class accommodation on one site.
We are pleased to share with you our plans for a re-modelled campus which will offer a fantastic
environment for our students and the local community by refurbishing much of the existing Buxton
Lane site and building a new teaching block and Sports Hall to replace Hibbert Lane curriculum,
student support, sport and learning resource facilities.
The estimate for all the work is just under £13m. We hope to fund this through the sale of the
Hibbert Lane site. The College is required to obtain best price for any sale of assets and, of course,
maintain the existing open space. The College has sought funds from many sources, including the
sale of Hibbert Lane for housing (which would yield less than half the amount needed). As many of
you know, the Leeds-based supermarket, Asda, has submitted proposals to purchase the land for a
‘neighbourhood’ supermarket. The planned store will be smaller than the existing college buildings
and the current open space will be retained. This proposal would provide the College with sufficient
income to meet all development costs at no cost to the public.
Your views on our proposal for the development of the Buxton Lane campus will be much appreciated
and considered and we look forward to receiving these at our joint public exhibition in Marple on 6th
and 7th July – which the college is delighted to host on our Buxton Lane site.
I understand Asda will provide residents with details of their proposals for a new neighbourhood
supermarket and safeguarding of the open space at the Hibbert Lane site.
Yours sincerely
Christina Cassidy
Principal
Thanks, HWL. Looks like I will have to wait patiently until next weekend.Like MIA said a long time ago, They're building up! Not good for the homes that have to look at it. What do the decision makers at the college care? They don't.
Interesting plans.
The current Hibbert Lane site has approximately 180 parking spaces. The current Buxton Lane site has approximately 100, so that's 280 total.
The new site plan shows approximately 150 spaces.
What impact is the loss of in the region of 130 spaces (a reduction of around 46%) likely to have on parking for college users and local residents?
At last, an informative document from the college and the immediate prospect of more, genuine, information. Let us hope this matter can now move forward without all the twaddle, "information" from "the man at the butchers", hysterical nonsense, ignorance and abuse with which the debate has been polluted over the past 18 months.
Are the parking specs at hibert lane always taken .if not that's why theres a reduction . Stop looking for problems . That's normally down to miss marples ,
Are the parking specs at hibert lane always taken .if not that's why theres a reduction . Stop looking for problems . That's normally down to miss marples ,
Are the parking specs at hibert lane always taken .if not that's why theres a reduction . Stop looking for problems . That's normally down to miss marples ,
I live very near the college site and other members of my family live even closer. Why shouldn't I look for problems? Car parking is often a problem now. If the Hibbert Lane car park is still going to be available for students to park (as you seem to be suggesting) then maybe this won't be a problem but if that is to become ASDA's car park then it certainly will.
Woodville Girls school was a typical ugly seventies building before it became the college.The new build part is even worse. Looks a bit like a prisoner cell block. Who wants to look at that, at the back of their property? Yes Admin, people around there have complained about inconsiderate parking. The mind boggles! >:(
The current Hibbert Lane site has approximately 180 parking spaces. The current Buxton Lane site has approximately 100, so that's 280 total.
The new site plan shows approximately 150 spaces.
What impact is the loss of in the region of 130 spaces (a reduction of around 46%) likely to have on parking for college users and local residents?
I doubt that many 6th form students can afford to run cars, so most of the parking will be for staff members. Remember that there will be a huge reduction in staff before the start of the new academic year. Problem solved.Judging by the number of car's parked around the site during term time then there must be a large number of staff who all appear to be in their late teens!
Woodville Girls school was a typical ugly seventies building before it became the college.The new build part is even worse. Looks a bit like a prisoner cell block. Who wants to look at that, at the back of their property? Yes Admin, people around there have complained about inconsiderate parking. The mind boggles! >:(There is no accounting for taste. I doubt very much that people can honestly say that the new build block is attractive. Sour grapes? I do not do "Sour Grapes".
Sour grapes .some nice ones in asda .
It's the bank of Mum and Dad that pays for the cars. You can see many over stuffed cars going to the colleges. If the promise of no loss of curriculum is true, why would there be a huge reduction of staff?The current Hibbert Lane site has approximately 180 parking spaces. The current Buxton Lane site has approximately 100, so that's 280 total.
The new site plan shows approximately 150 spaces.
What impact is the loss of in the region of 130 spaces (a reduction of around 46%) likely to have on parking for college users and local residents?
I doubt that many 6th form students can afford to run cars, so most of the parking will be for staff members. Remember that there will be a huge reduction in staff before the start of the new academic year. Problem solved.
Asda on the college site,Waitrose on the sorting office site,consultation to follow.......... :-\
No ! No ! Mrs O :o. I disagree the building looks nice !........... On paper ! Hang on a min ! It reminds me of something . Yes got it now ! Its The Rose Hill Super School, now how good did that look on paper ? :-\Your way behind the times .
Asda on the college site,Waitrose on the sorting office site,consultation to follow.......... :-\
Listen my loveable 'Friend of the Earth' behind the times ! So what's behind the times ofNo ! No ! Mrs O :o. I disagree the building looks nice !........... On paper ! Hang on a min ! It reminds me of something . Yes got it now ! Its The Rose Hill Super School, now how good did that look on paper ? :-\Your way behind the times .
Flipping Heck Amazon,Booths and Asda are like chalk and cheese. Worth it for the creamy Lancashire though. But not sited in the middle of a residential area.Asda on the college site,Waitrose on the sorting office site,consultation to follow.......... :-\
A booths would be nice in marple
QuoteAt last, an informative document from the college and the immediate prospect of more, genuine, information. Let us hope this matter can now move forward without all the twaddle, "information" from "the man at the butchers", hysterical nonsense, ignorance and abuse with which the debate has been polluted over the past 18 months.
If the college had decided to consult the public when these plans were 1st drawn up then we could have been able to have an informed debate, only now has the college produced a glossy brochure that only contains info on the Buxton lane site, nothing about Hibbert Lane. They still haven't publicised the event at Buxton Lane next week, and how many residents are going to receive the glossy brochure?
We would all still be in the dark if it hadn't been for MIA and this excellent web site.
Oh dear. We've had misleading information from MIA in the past, but until now it has tended to come from individuals on this forum, or talking to passers-by at the MIA tent in Market Street, and not from official MIA statements. But this is obviously a deliberate attempt by MIA to conceal information, and it can only backfire on them, I'm afraid.Oh dear Dave! It seems you are the one with a red face ;D. The SMBC statement has changed again.
Have you seen the price of fish ! ;)
Strong stuff but I tend to agree, there is this continual attempt to whip up worries and concerns and to totally misunderstand the process implying that that what they or others are doing can have some impact on the decision at this point.
A planning application may be submitted, currently not even that has happened, then representations can be made. We already know that a planning application on this site would not meet planning guidelines and would be declined. We then move to appeal This a a long process and efforts by MiA to imply that anything they are doing affects this is just nonesense.
There appears to me to be many CAVE dwellers in Marple Communities Against Virtually Everything.
Have you seen the price of fish ! ;)
It's cheaper In asda and morrisons thats why people shop out of Marple .
We now see as Dave points out only in different words, that Marple Inaction have established themselvesl as an unelected, uninformed,unrepresentative, scaremongering, blackguarding, truthbending "organisation", that has no influence whatsoever on any supermarket development in Marple be it Asda or anybody else.Not wanting to disappoint you but sadly :'(. I am the only one from MIA who posts on this site ! Sad but true. Other people post as themselves and have a democratic right to their opinion. I am sick and tired of arm chair socalists on this site. I suggest you get out and campain for the supermarket if that's what you want! Just stop trying to discredit MIA. If you have a fight it's with me ! Not MIA so direct you negativity at me ! I am not fazed in the slightest by your play on words because that's all you appear to do for whatever reason best known to you :-*
It is obvious that all who do have influence take absolutely no notice of them whatsoever.
I was at an Area Committee some months ago when some of their members were there and were having their say, which it has to be said they were entitled to. The look of absolute tedium that came across the face of the local Councillors when they were speaking was completely apparent for all to see. Councillors weren't even listening to them and I have to say they had the same effect on me as they had on the Councillors
Their comments on this site over the last twelve months and the arrogant, patronising, disdainful, vulgar way that they have presentd themselves makes you want to vote for the Asda even if you don't want one just to spite MarpleInaction.
In my view they have done more to bring Asda to town than deter it. With "enemies" like MarpleInaction Asda don't need any friends.
I doubt that many 6th form students can afford to run cars, so most of the parking will be for staff members. Remember that there will be a huge reduction in staff before the start of the new academic year. Problem solved.
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It's the bank of Mum and Dad that pays for the cars. You can see many over stuffed cars going to the colleges. If the promise of no loss of curriculum is true, why would there be a huge reduction of staff?
Why are those who disagree with you branded "Socialist" What's particularly socialist about disagreeing with you? Please explain?Wheels I don't know how long you have been using this forum but a few years ago .a certain miss marple tried to whip up frenzy and stop a certain seventeen windows development . And also the new road at the bottom of Dan bank in fact it got that bad on comments that admin had to put a block enyone posting on them .i hope he won't block what I've just said .
I and I think other have no problem with MiA it's you personally and your misleading statements and hectoring that people object to. You do more to damage MiA than you realise.
I daresay the strike taking place this thursday (5th July) at the the college (not a national strike, a local dispute, I understand) and continuing reduction in courses could relate to the reduction in staff. Fewer staff, fewer students, fewer courses, so fewer car parking places required ?
Oh, and as the new ASDA is to have a chemist, that means ASDA are subject to Freedom Of Information requests now, just like the college and the council. Just pointing this out in case anyone has any burning questions they want answering honestly and on-the-record. http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/ (http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/)
We now see as Dave points out only in different words, that Marple Inaction have established themselvesl as an unelected, uninformed,unrepresentative, scaremongering, blackguarding, truthbending "organisation", that has no influence whatsoever on any supermarket development in Marple be it Asda or anybody else.Not wanting to disappoint you but sadly :'(. I am the only one from MIA who posts on this site ! Sad but true. Other people post as themselves and have a democratic right to their opinion. I am sick and tired of arm chair socalists on this site. I suggest you get out and campain for the supermarket if that's what you want! Just stop trying to discredit MIA. If you have a fight it's with me ! Not MIA so direct you negativity at me ! I am not fazed in the slightest by your play on words because that's all you appear to do for whatever reason best known to you :-*
It is obvious that all who do have influence take absolutely no notice of them whatsoever.
I was at an Area Committee some months ago when some of their members were there and were having their say, which it has to be said they were entitled to. The look of absolute tedium that came across the face of the local Councillors when they were speaking was completely apparent for all to see. Councillors weren't even listening to them and I have to say they had the same effect on me as they had on the Councillors
Their comments on this site over the last twelve months and the arrogant, patronising, disdainful, vulgar way that they have presentd themselves makes you want to vote for the Asda even if you don't want one just to spite MarpleInaction.
In my view they have done more to bring Asda to town than deter it. With "enemies" like MarpleInaction Asda don't need any friends.
Today the petrol stations in Marple were charging 132.9 for regular unleaded. Asda charge 127.7 nationwide for the same thing. A saving of 5.2p per litre. That's quite a saving over a year for the average motorist.
QuoteToday the petrol stations in Marple were charging 132.9 for regular unleaded. Asda charge 127.7 nationwide for the same thing. A saving of 5.2p per litre. That's quite a saving over a year for the average motorist.
I think you will find that ASDA (along with all other supermarkets) set their price according to the site and local competition and not on a national basis. So they will undercut the local competition but not be as cheap as say Tesco in Stockport or Morrison's in Hyde. Downside is however that both local garages will close and the view you will get as you drive into Marple will be that of large derelict sites. Some will think that that's a price worth paying some will not, however the decision to grant planning permission will only be decided on planning grounds. They (planning grounds) do not include the price of a litre of petrol or the price of food!
I think you will find that ASDA (along with all other supermarkets) set their price according to the site and local competition and not on a national basis.
I think you will find that ASDA (along with all other supermarkets) set their price according to the site and local competition and not on a national basis.
Victor, you really are a star with your observations.
See http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/transport/new-fuel-price-cuts-at-asda.17973686 (http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/transport/new-fuel-price-cuts-at-asda.17973686)
Extract: "From today customers at Asda's 196 filling stations will pay no more than 127.7p a litre for petrol and no more than 132.7p a litre for diesel."
or
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/supermarket-giants-to-slash-fuel-prices-7880731.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/supermarket-giants-to-slash-fuel-prices-7880731.html)
Extract: "From tomorrow customers at Asda's 196 filling stations will pay no more than 127.7p a litre for petrol"
or
http://your.asda.com/news-and-blogs/we-re-leading-the-way-again-with-another-2p-cut-in-fuel-prices (http://your.asda.com/news-and-blogs/we-re-leading-the-way-again-with-another-2p-cut-in-fuel-prices)
Extract: "From tomorrow (Tuesday, 26th June) you won’t pay more than 127.7p for a litre of unleaded and 132.7p per litre of diesel at any of our 196 petrol stations."
There are many other similar reports if you care to look for them. They're called facts.
You are right sgk.
Victor, please accept my apologies. I misunderstood your post. You're correct, we may be paying even less than 127.7p per litre when Asda arrive.
I think you will find that ASDA (along with all other supermarkets) set their price according to the site and local competition and not on a national basis. So they will undercut the local competition but not be as cheap as say Tesco in Stockport or Morrison's in Hyde. Downside is however that both local garages will close and the view you will get as you drive into Marple will be that of large derelict sites. Some will think that that's a price worth paying some will not, however the decision to grant planning permission will only be decided on planning grounds. They (planning grounds) do not include the price of a litre of petrol or the price of food!
the Area Committee can simply refuse the application if it is contrary to policy without further reference.
MIA is the community
It's now over 12 months since MIA formed and it's been a hell of a journey for everyone who has given their time or expertise to assist. On the stall on Sat a few people asked if they could join MIA and wanted to know how to become involved. It's easy just contact by a personal message , contact the action line or I am sure Admin will pass your details on. MIA is now a recognised community group and as many people who assist us the better. You don't have to have any particular skill, none of us had ever done anything like this before,we just need people who feel as passionate about preventing a supermarket on Hibbert Lane as we do to join us.spot the difference :-*.
The latest post from Admin about Exmouth gives MIA a boost it shows it can be done, Exmouth has just proved it. If you can spare sometime, even a couple of hours MIA would love to hear from you.
The fight has only just begun, we are now at the stage where we need as much support as possible, so if you can get in touch!
MIA is the community
No it isn't, and that is at the heart of the problem that some of us have with MIA. We respect your point of view, but please don't claim to speak on behalf of the people of Marple when you have not earned the right to do so.
I have asked for the following information from SMBC hope it's useful to some people like myself who has no idea about planning. The following is a reply I have received today from SMBC planning department.
An Area Committee cannot approve a planning application which is deemed to be against policy. So if the application is against policy, and for whatever reason either Officers or Area Committee Members wish to support it, it will need to go to Planning and Highways for determination. However the Area Committee can simply refuse the application if it is contrary to policy without further reference.
The other factor is size. If the application is more than 5000m sq floorspace, or greater than 3 hectares in area, then it must go to Planning and Highways Committee.
I hope this is clear. The following link might be helpful in explaining the position further
The key for the AC acting as Council decision maker is with the local Councillors. Correct me if I am wrong but at the time of writing we have three Councillors who have publicly stated they are against the development ( I hasten to add this was before any plans were submitted) but we also have three Councillors who have not declared one way or another. If six local Councillors (let us also rememember that three of them are on the Executive) declare against, then that is a very powerful lobby for the rest of the Council to ignore...surely too powerful. Has anybody asked the three undeclared Councillors where they stand?
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Some of us? You speak for yourself
As published on the Marple Inaction website:
http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/Opponents-celebrate-Asda-sinks-plans-store-estuary/story-11796593-detail/story.html (http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/Opponents-celebrate-Asda-sinks-plans-store-estuary/story-11796593-detail/story.html)
... then read the comments from the townspeople following it!
... the people who didn't want the Asda are largely retirees with pleanty of time to shop where they fancy and organsie protests - those that want the Asda have busy lives (one reason they want it) and no time to organise NIMBY complaints, especially when a dead town centre forces us to shop out of town for many itmes.Please forgive the spelling mistakes above, they are from the original comment and it would be wrong to alter something I am quoting.
Asda will appeal to the Inspectors on the grounds that their application is an enabling one that is not really about an Asda store it is actually about enabling the College to provide the best facilities for its students. No Asda - No College. So it will appear that if you are against the Asda you are also against the College. The College will join up with Asda and maintain that this is true. So the case is very strong for Asda/C&MSFC.simonesaffron, most of your comments are correct apart from the last bit, once a planning application has been made the only rejections by the council or subsequent appeals have to be based on PLANNING GROUNDS AS SET OUT IN LAW and not on anything else, education and facilities for students have nothing to do with planning regulations and guidelines. Wallmart may very well try and market their proposals this way but that should be seen for what they are.
Asda will appeal to the Inspectors on the grounds that their application is an enabling one that is not really about an Asda store it is actually about enabling the College to provide the best facilities for its students. No Asda - No College.
MIA is the community
No it isn't, and that is at the heart of the problem that some of us have with MIA. We respect your point of view, but please don't claim to speak on behalf of the people of Marple when you have not earned the right to do so.
As published on the Marple Inaction website:
http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/Opponents-celebrate-Asda-sinks-plans-store-estuary/story-11796593-detail/story.html (http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/Opponents-celebrate-Asda-sinks-plans-store-estuary/story-11796593-detail/story.html)
... then read the comments from the townspeople following it!
Thanks for that Hollins. The comments following that story are very interesting. It looks like a minority group of self proclaimed 'community representatives' have managed to kill-off any chances of Exmouth prospering.
There would appear to be many similarities to our current position in Marple, from a petition signed by non residents to a dying town centre.
I thought the following from an ex local shop owner very pertinent:Quote... the people who didn't want the Asda are largely retirees with pleanty of time to shop where they fancy and organsie protests - those that want the Asda have busy lives (one reason they want it) and no time to organise NIMBY complaints, especially when a dead town centre forces us to shop out of town for many itmes.Please forgive the spelling mistakes above, they are from the original comment and it would be wrong to alter something I am quoting.
As I said I stand to be corrected and I am more than happy for it to happen. I am not a planning expert neither am I an expert on College buildings so I will defer to Dave and Victor who obviously know more about these matters than me. Apart from one issue which is the issue of the joint application. I have done a little research and i believe that I am right in saying that it doesn't matter that the two buildings are not integral and it doesn't matter that they are on two different sites, Asda/CMSFC can still put a joint application in and that's what I believe they will do. I can't prove it until it happens. Anyway we won't have long to wait - a few weeks by my estimation.
Lisa, it doesn't really matter how we describe MarpleInaction. I don't mind calling them a campaign group although they haven't put up much of one. Whether they go home or not is their choice. They are not going to take any notice of me any more than I am of them and Asda/C&MSFC/SMBC are not going to take any notice of any of us and that also includes you. It's been said on this website before but MIA can March from now until Christmas and gather a petition as thick as the Oxford Dictionary, it won't make any difference to the triumvirate that I've just mentioned. Now if they had a Councillor in place it might. It would certainly have had more influence than marching, that's for soldiers.
I would be most interested in what MarpleInaction propose to do next to challenge this situation ( I don't expect a response) as I think their locker is empty but there has never been much in it anyway but as I say I stand to be corrected.
There is another aspect here which quite shocked me when I realised it, but it is not completely impossible that the opposition members of the Planning Committee could successfully permit the application for mainly political reasons. They would need to bring at least one of the LibDems on the committee over to their cause - but that's been done before.
Miss M,
you say that MIA were asked ..."to NOT field a Candidate"... in the last election, asked by whom??
Not really as 3 have not said anything as yet.
The council have confirmed it can be determined at an area meeting.
Its not misinformation solely that concerns people I think it is that MiA tries to make it appear that in some way they speak for the people of Marple, are indeed representative. We have elected Councillors who went to the trouble of getting elected who fill that role they are who we should be working through not a group who clearly do not enjoy the confidence of many local people and whom a number of might as local traders be seen as having their own personal agenda.
My heart goes out to all those living around the area. Who would want a supermarket opposite their home or a roundabout outside their front door. MIA action line has had concerned residents from the Rosehill, Cross Lane, Church Lane, Edwards way and Brindley Ave area worried about their streets / roads becoming 'Rat Runs'. MIA have no information about traffic or redevelopment of roads although we suspect they will be known to planning
What does MIA plan to do about it ?
What can MIA do about it?
They campaign to make people aware and petition etc but it is for the council to decide and failing that if it is referred on, the planning bods deal with it. Public opiniong is considered but is by no means deciding factor.
There's a job currently up for grabs for a new finance director at CAMSFC with a salary of around £68.000.
I would be interested to know what misinformation MIA have spread?
Don't believe the hype about CAMSFC their finances look fine, they are functioning, they are always informing us how good their students are performing There's a job currently up for grabs for a new finance director at CAMSFC with a salary of around £68.000. If it's not broke why fix it, at the expense of a lesser quality of life for some
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rez28ZS89dY Just a reminder of what could be for the people of Marple.
Party's arew not allowed whip on planning matters each member has to reach their own decison based on planning issues. Thus what you suggest would leave the decision open to challenge.
Party groups are not even to have a pre-meeting
Miss M,
you say that MIA were asked ..."to NOT field a Candidate"... in the last election, asked by whom??
Will someone from MIA please answer Simone's post?
Alstan & Simonesaffron,
Sorry but I don't understand all these posts about MIA fielding a candidate at the last local election. From what I understood MIA is a single issue campaign group, the issue being No Supermarket on Hibbert Lane.
At the last local elections all candidates standing for election in both Marple wards had stated that they did not support a Supermarket being built on Hibbert Lane. What therefore would MIA have achieved in fielding a candidate?
How do you know that some Councillors having seen the plans have not changed their minds ? Have MIA asked them recently ? Perhaps all local Councillors should now be asked for a statement by MIA...THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE DOING MUCH ELSE DO THEY ? MIA that is not the Councillors.
SimonesaffronQuoteHow do you know that some Councillors having seen the plans have not changed their minds ? Have MIA asked them recently ? Perhaps all local Councillors should now be asked for a statement by MIA...THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE DOING MUCH ELSE DO THEY ? MIA that is not the Councillors.
We both know that the 3 local councillors that have not yet stated their views on the proposed development by Walmart can't actually express an opinion before the planning application has been made, so I can't see any benefit being achieved by MIA asking for a statement.
As for "MIA DON'T SEEM TO BE DOING MUCH ELSE", they were certainly in Market Street on Saturday publicising Walmart's display at Buxton Lane this week. In that one day they probably did a better job of promoting the event than the College & Walmart had done in the last 2 months.
Still no answer to that particular question Victor ! Why is that ?
OK, at the risk of nagging I'll try again from the beginning.
Question to Miss M or any other MIA rep...in a recent,previous post when asked why MIA had not fielded a candidate in the recent elections? Miss M responded by saying that ...MIA were asked NOT to field a candidate... My Question is - Who asked MIA "NOT to field a candidate?
Is that a fair and simple question or am I like Victor contemplating senility?
Please answer.
Alstan,
I was only giving an opinion on the bit that I highlighted in my original post, I also voiced an opinion on an early post as to why I saw it as not appropriate for MIA to field a candidate at the recent local elections. I would suggest if you want to progress this forward you either talk to someone on the MIA stall or start a new thread I do not speak for MIA (although I am sympathetic to their views).
Victor, sorry, I don't understand this at all. All I am saying is that someone, not you, recently said on this forum that MIA had been asked not to field a candidate in the local elections. I would like to know who. In the absence of a response I can only assume that it was someone who had somerthing to lose if MIA did field a candidate which narrows the field down considerably.
Simone I am only answering because it's becoming obvious that you want me to say something that would look like MIA were not credible and possibly working with whoever but no ! It's very simple, MIA is made up of Business and the community both of who are passionate about stopping a supermarket being built on Hibbert lane. I wanted to stand a candidate (not me ) it was put to a vote and guess what I was out voted. So sorry to disappoint with my less than shady account of MIA dealings but that's it in a nut shell.
For goodness sake! This has been answered a few posts back:
Who will gain from an ASDA in Marple when a much larger number of people start to shop in Marple? Answer. Everyone except Co-op, Iceland and adjacent residents! The Co-op is Marple’s biggest liability: fine if you are a pensioner and you can shop during the day but infuriating if you try to shop after work when you find that the bread and milk shelves are empty. What do you do after a couple of infuriating visits to the Co-op if you need to shop after work? Answer, you simply never go near to Marple to shop. There is a hell of a lot of money in Marple and in them there hills above and beyond Marple and you see all this trade, every Saturday and Sunday in the great big queues of traffic at Dan Bank traffic lights heading for their weekly food shop at ASDA Stockport and Morrisons Bredbury.
What is the first thing that many people do when they arrive at ASDA Stockport? Answer, walk right out of the store to the specialist shops to spend money elsewhere on the items ASDA doesn’t stock or for quality items superior to routine ASDA returning later for their shopping trolley. So which shops stand to gain from a massive number changing their routine from shopping in Stockport or Morrisons Bredbury to shopping in Marple? Let’s start with the furthest point out. Marple Book Shop has not been able to compete in the sale of cut-price best sellers for years so it can only gain from an increase in visits from the affluent and literate (ie those not buying bestsellers), the students and the schoolchildren who currently walk to Waterstones from ASDA/TESCO Stockport. Post Office in Marple instead of Merseyway. The stationery shop instead of Rymans on Princes St. The bike shop on Stockport Rd or the walking shop on Market St instead of Go Outdoors or Alpenstock. The furniture shops, the local branches of the building societies and banks, retail clothing shop, high quality clothing shops on Market St cannot lose and can only gain. Will the gem of Marple ie Hollins hardware profit or lose? Probably both, the Windowlene which is not stocked at the Co-op (can you imagine a cleaning/hardware isle that does not have Windowlene?) might be at ASDA but a lot of items that commuters to Morrisons previously bought from the Homebase next door are, and the cans of paint and wallpaper bought at Homebase as part of the trip to Morrisons will be bought from the decorating shop on High St or Hollins store.
Getting tired of all of this walking around? So am I so I shall have a drink in one of the coffee shops/cafes/pubs in Marple before I head back to ASDA. Will existing customers change from Littlewoods butchers, the butcher on High St or the two greengrocery shops or the fish van? I think not but additional shoppers in Marple will increase their trade. The comments about more charity shops from objectors never cease but it never ceases to amaze me that they are so popular it is sometimes impossible to get in through the doors. More shopping in Marple means more donations to the charity shops and even more trade. So back to routine weekly shop at ASDA: no comment required, exactly the same as Stockport without the journey. £100+ to provide a tidy profit to ASDA and work for the people who live in Marple who are either unemployed or who currently commute to work at one of the stores in Stockport and find that they can now have a job on their back doorstep. ASDA Marple will generate many more bums on seats on my beloved 394 service, heaven knows that the 394 needs all the help it can get. Who knows, perhaps it should be a condition for planning permission that ASDA pay Stagecoach to extend the 383/384 to the site or even reintroduce a direct service to Hawk Green to bring all these people in Offerton who have had consultation leaflets through their doors to shop and provide jobs in Marple rather than Stockport. Why should Marple be the only suburb of Stockport without a proper supermarket open from eight till late?
I'm with you Jethro! Some people couldn't care less and never will. >:( I've heard some people are highly excited about three cases of lager for x amount.To be fair I can get pretty excited about offers on 3 cases of beer, but do not see the need for them to be available on Hibbert Lane.
I'm with you Jethro! Some people couldn't care less and never will. >:( I've heard some people are highly excited about three cases of lager for x amount.
To be fair I can get pretty excited about offers on 3 cases of beer, but do not see the need for them to be available on Hibbert Lane.
Has the penny really not dropped with anyone that if you commute by bus from Marple to Stockport town centre every day this is not an argument for a shop spelling beans 5p cheaper than anywhere else: it is a quest to find somewhere that sells the food that you need to live. There are no food stores near to the bus station: until the Rose Hill Spar opened there was not a single place where you could get off the bus to buy fresh bread, milk and fruit in the early evening (I boycotted the garage when it became Co-op because Co-op Marple only ever had 8 pint milk or £1.80 loaves on the shelf at 6.30pm). Working people in Marple are currently second class citizens to the retailers of Marple who say 'we don't want your trade - arrive before five o'clock or come on Saturday or the doors will be locked' or arrive at the Co-op after five o'clock and the shelves will contain no fresh food or the inferior produce that the daytime shoppers wouldn't touch. Sorry Marple traders, we no longer live in the 1950s sending dutiful Stepford housewives on daytime shopping trips between nine and five and need later opening hours. If you cannot stand the heat of the customer demands of the 21st century perhaps you don't deserve to be in the kitchen. A Marple High St (and I mean every shop on the High St) of noon till eight shops is what is needed to fight and beat ASDA at its own game. One shop alone cannot win the battle. One thing that is certain is that if this were to be the case, there would be a massive support from the anti-ASDA lobby - there would also a lot of people who would like, but have never been able, to shop in Marple because they work the same hours as the shops open.Why not get your loaf in Stockport before you get in the bus back to Marple.
Good post Rambler except I am not as sure the Co-op is as bad as you make it out to be. And why critise the Co-op for having a limited range of bread at 7pm which is when I get back from work at least they are there and open Archers closes at 3pm which is no use to anyone.
So basically you would like a superstore on Hibbert Lane because it would fit in with your daily commute and lifestyle, whatever the effect on people's quality of life within the community which will be affected by the increased traffic,noise etc.
Oh how I wish there were seven people in my family, But sadly I could only hope to be able to support two. So now I am supposed to support the downfall of Marple beacause some people have to support what they can't afford? Priorities ?So basically you would like a superstore on Hibbert Lane because it would fit in with your daily commute and lifestyle, whatever the effect on people's quality of life within the community which will be affected by the increased traffic,noise etc.
You are making that person seem selfish for wanting those things. It is no more selfish to want a decent cheap supermarket in your area than it is to act in the interests of your business, to think of the effects of a supermarket on your house price etc.
I am pretty sure most of the YES people care about how neighbours will be affected but feel it is outweighed by the advantages of a supermarket for those on a low income etc. However, some people on the NO side don't acknowledge that a supermarket on HL would be good for some people (and then conclude those reasons would be outweighed by the bad). People were mocked on here in the past for wanting a cheaper store and not getting a bus and doing a weeks shopping with the kids in tow! Somebody even said no wonder kids are fat these days it must be because people are too lazy to shop around. I would hedge my bets on that person having a car and never doing a full weeks shopping for 7 people on the bus!
I have do not a business in the Area and not bothered about my house price.So basically you would like a superstore on Hibbert Lane because it would fit in with your daily commute and lifestyle, whatever the effect on people's quality of life within the community which will be affected by the increased traffic,noise etc.
You are making that person seem selfish for wanting those things. It is no more selfish to want a decent cheap supermarket in your area than it is to act in the interests of your business, to think of the effects of a supermarket on your house price etc.
I am pretty sure most of the YES people care about how neighbours will be affected but feel it is outweighed by the advantages of a supermarket for those on a low income etc. However, some people on the NO side don't acknowledge that a supermarket on HL would be good for some people (and then conclude those reasons would be outweighed by the bad). People were mocked on here in the past for wanting a cheaper store and not getting a bus and doing a weeks shopping with the kids in tow! Somebody even said no wonder kids are fat these days it must be because people are too lazy to shop around. I would hedge my bets on that person having a car and never doing a full weeks shopping for 7 people on the bus!
I don't want the supermarket, but comments about people having 7 people in their family are not needed and irrelevant.Oh how I wish there were seven people in my family, But sadly I could only hope to be able to support two. So now I am supposed to support the downfall of Marple beacause some people have to support what they can't afford? Priorities ?So basically you would like a superstore on Hibbert Lane because it would fit in with your daily commute and lifestyle, whatever the effect on people's quality of life within the community which will be affected by the increased traffic,noise etc.
You are making that person seem selfish for wanting those things. It is no more selfish to want a decent cheap supermarket in your area than it is to act in the interests of your business, to think of the effects of a supermarket on your house price etc.
I am pretty sure most of the YES people care about how neighbours will be affected but feel it is outweighed by the advantages of a supermarket for those on a low income etc. However, some people on the NO side don't acknowledge that a supermarket on HL would be good for some people (and then conclude those reasons would be outweighed by the bad). People were mocked on here in the past for wanting a cheaper store and not getting a bus and doing a weeks shopping with the kids in tow! Somebody even said no wonder kids are fat these days it must be because people are too lazy to shop around. I would hedge my bets on that person having a car and never doing a full weeks shopping for 7 people on the bus!
I chose to live in the area because the quality of life it would bring to my kids while they were growing up.
So because now I want to maintain that for my kids and possibly grandchildren am I being selfish!!!!
Oh how I wish there were seven people in my family, But sadly I could only hope to be able to support two. So now I am supposed to support the downfall of Marple beacause some people have to support what they can't afford? Priorities ?
JMC, I agree it is a struggle with young kids to do the shopping, but is the struggle not worth it to keepOh how I wish there were seven people in my family, But sadly I could only hope to be able to support two. So now I am supposed to support the downfall of Marple beacause some people have to support what they can't afford? Priorities ?
I was actually the person who it was suggested could take 7 people on the bus. I can afford to support my own thank you very much (and my kids are always my number one priority)! But like many people I won't shop at the Co op for a weeks shop (I do get a few bits from there but prefer Iceland). I actually do the weeks shopping online. But I was told to get a bus rather than go to a cheaper store! The point I made on that old thread was that some people without cars (I am lucky to have one but didn't have one when we started out) could not manage on a bus with as many children, even with 2 or 3 it would be hard to carry a weeks shopping. People were suggesting allsorts yet they have never had to struggle like that. It seemed abit like they were saying 'I'm alright Jack'.
JMC, I agree it is a struggle with young kids to do the shopping, but is the struggle not worth it to keep
the area as we have it now?
I agree that a Aldi in the town centre would a good alternative solution rather than ASDA on Hibbert Lane.JMC, I agree it is a struggle with young kids to do the shopping, but is the struggle not worth it to keep
the area as we have it now?
Fair point. I have always said I am 'on the fence'. But I can see both sides of the argument and sympathise with many of the YES arguments as well as some of NOs. What I would want given the choice is an Aldi (the old Hanburys would have been ideal or the sorting office) but it probably won't happen. I do worry about traffic increasing and impact on residents but I can see that for those on a low income ASDA would be useful.
I agree that a Aldi in the town centre would a good alternative solution rather than ASDA on Hibbert Lane.JMC, I agree it is a struggle with young kids to do the shopping, but is the struggle not worth it to keep
the area as we have it now?
Fair point. I have always said I am 'on the fence'. But I can see both sides of the argument and sympathise with many of the YES arguments as well as some of NOs. What I would want given the choice is an Aldi (the old Hanburys would have been ideal or the sorting office) but it probably won't happen. I do worry about traffic increasing and impact on residents but I can see that for those on a low income ASDA would be useful.
I think most of you have lost the plot completely.So a new build on Buxton Lane will guarantee a good education?
Its not about saving a few pence on a tin of beans. The supermarket is just a means to an end.
Its all about providing a suitable establishment, and facilities, to educate our young people, now and in the future. People need to stop thinking short term. A bit of extra traffic, maybe. A few parked cars, so what?
A good education for our young people is whats important.
Harry is spot on: what matters here is education, not the price of beans. And no-one should kid themselves that the buildings don't matter - they do. Setting aside for a moment the need to attract students in viable numbers, there is the issue of efficiency. New purpose-built premises are much cheaper to run and maintain than inefficient and poorly built old conversions. And the money that is saved on running costs can be redirected towards teaching our kids and grandkids. It's a no brainer.Every school,college & university has to maintain or improve buildings, in the same we have maintain our houses. Most colleges do not have a site they can sell off to achieve this. Will the college close without ASDA buying Hibbert Lane?
Last nite chap from collage said they would have to go to plan b if supermarket didn't get planingDid he say what Plan B is?
No I think that is just as narrow as those who want cheap beans and petrol. For me it is much more about the identity of the town/suburb than about narrow issues like education and beans.
No I think that is just as narrow as those who want cheap beans and petrol. For me it is much more about the identity of the town/suburb than about narrow issues like education and beans.
Wheels,
Education is not a narrow issue, it is about as wide as it gets.
Surely everyone with any interest in this matter would have registered that interest with the college in which case they would have received notification by 29th June.How did anyone know they had to "register with the college". I had written to them a number of times but as I didn't receive any notification obviously I hadn't registered and 1 weeks notice is not long enough. Their plan was to limit the number of people who could attend.
What do you mean the date time and place of the consultation was in the public domain for at least 3 weeks. Whilst the college and ASDA have scored many own goals over the year this was not one of them unless of course you feel we should have all had a personal hand delivered letter plus an email and phone call perhaps asking us ever so nicely if we would like to come to a consultation.How was it in the public domain for 3 weeks ? It was on this website and it appeared in the CAMSFC website
There can be very few people in Marple who were not aware of the event and they would mostly have been under 5.
What do you mean the date time and place of the consultation was in the public domain for at least 3 weeks. Whilst the college and ASDA have scored many own goals over the year this was not one of them unless of course you feel we should have all had a personal hand delivered letter plus an email and phone call perhaps asking us ever so nicely if we would like to come to a consultation.How was it in the public domain for 3 weeks ? It was on this website and it appeared in the CAMSFC website
There can be very few people in Marple who were not aware of the event and they would mostly have been under 5.
is that classed as being in the public domain. The leaflets were not delivered to every household in the vicinity of the college. The information as been available for 3 weeks if you happen to come across it. That is slightly different then everybody being made aware of it.
Hopefully when the actual planning application goes through it will be different.
Sorry to contradict Miss M but I thought the £9M bid was considered but the college declined it in favour of higher bids from Tesco & ASDA, with the college eventually plumping for the highest bid from Walmart, which we now know was for £13M.
The Waitrose/housing bid would in all probability been accepted by the council. So the college has mortgaged the whole future of Marple for £4M, a sum that the council would probably have loaned to the college at very attractive rates. Instead we have the prospect of a decimated High St., empty petrol forecourts, traffic chaos at the Stockport Road/Hibbert Lane junction & in side roads, blighted property in the vicinity of the new Walmart, all for £4M. Was it worth it CAMSFC!
+ the building on the college could probably have been started by now.
Sorry to contradict Miss M but I thought the £9M bid was considered but the college declined it in favour of higher bids from Tesco & ASDA, with the college eventually plumping for the highest bid from Walmart, which we now know was for £13M.
The Waitrose/housing bid would in all probability been accepted by the council. So the college has mortgaged the whole future of Marple for £4M, a sum that the council would probably have loaned to the college at very attractive rates. Instead we have the prospect of a decimated High St., empty petrol forecourts, traffic chaos at the Stockport Road/Hibbert Lane junction & in side roads, blighted property in the vicinity of the new Walmart, all for £4M. Was it worth it CAMSFC!
+ the building on the college could probably have been started by now.
I would have thought as a public corporation the governors have a duty to go with the highest bidder and could be criticised if they didn't
The difference is that had the college managed to keep it quiet, then the Chadwick St. site would not have been marketed for development and the Wilmar Supermarket would have been given planning permission.
Now there is every likelyhood that Wilmar will have the planning application turned down and there will be a new Supermarket on Chadwick St. That's why the college wanted to keep the lid on it.
So please explain Simone how all the huffing and puffing over the last year has added one jot to what would have happened in any event.
We are at exactly the same place as if the thoughts of the Governors had never become public, that is a developer presenting outline ideas in advance of a planning application.
Please explain what has so far been achieved????
I probably agree with you there Simone. But who has placed the college under siege if not the so called 'community'?
If there hadn't been quite so much abuse bandied around, we might have got a lot more involvement and a bit more give and take.
There is an argument that we reap what we sow.
If you wish to define the College it as a commercial business then that's up to you. ASDA is a commercial business that deals in profit to the exclusion of everthing else. A college should deal with the development of Children and young People. The Asda is being built for the shareholders to the exclusion of everything else the College is being refurbished for the students in our community.Just like to point out that since 1999 Asda has been wholly owned by Wal-Mart – the largest company and arguably 'the most ruthless employer' in the world. If you are unsure what kind of organisation Wal-Mart is then look at the following link, there are lots of others as well detailing Wal-Marts activities www.corporatewatch.org (http://www.corporatewatch.org)
More common sense written today by belly, heritage and wheels than by all the rest of us for the past twelve months!MIA always had a line of communication with the college.
I also agree with Simone sometimes, but I'm not convinced by ' the College should have stood up to them (MIA) but they didn't , they cowed and hid away and let the community down by their craven behaviour.' I have a feeling that we will see in due course that the college was right not to respond. There's a lot to be said for remaining silent when you are under attack - sometimes a response can confer a credibility on the attackers which they do not deserve.
Hi Duke
We have tried and tried to speak with Ms Cassidy but she is refusing to answer emails, letters, invitations to speak with the community and messages continually ignores messages given via her PA joy Pippin
Now, maybe, but certainly not 'always', otherwise there would have been no posts like this.Oh Dave how come you always try to mis interpret things. MIA always has had communication with the college, I personally still do and I am sure other MIA members do also. What the quote you quoted says is, and still exists, for whatever reason, is Ms Cassady continually refused MIA requests to speak with the community. Maybe I don't have your gift of the written word so please try to be mindful when attempting to discredit forum members it's just so...... Not nice .Hi Duke
We have tried and tried to speak with Ms Cassidy but she is refusing to answer emails, letters, invitations to speak with the community and messages continually ignores messages given via her PA joy Pippin
Ms Cassady continually refused MIA requests to speak with the community.
MIA is the community
MIA always has had communication with the college
yes do try !Ms Cassady continually refused MIA requests to speak with the community.MIA is the communityMIA always has had communication with the college
OK Miss M, I'm sure I'll work it out eventually....... ;)
I see from the 'Latest News' thread that Cllr Candler believes that 'There is a widespread consensus in the area that says that we don’t need a large supermarket outside the district centre.' Where does he get that information from? Has he conducted a proper opinion survey? Or does he think that a noisy campaign is the same as a 'widespread consensus? Surely such an experienced local councillor would not make such a simple mistake. Would they....?
I see Admin has posted just about the most sensible response there has been to this from Cllr Derbyshire Leader of the Council. She makes the sound point that Councillors coming out for or against before a planning application is even lodged might be grounds for calling for a judical review.
Oh that the Marple Councillors had such sense rather than jumping in bed with what they consider to be side which will get them elected.
Equally MiAdemanding that Councillors commit themselves in advance of a planning application is good news for ASDA
I agree that councillors on the planning committees cannot comment either way about any planning application. However, unless its changed recently, Stockport is unusual in the fact that ALL councillors sit on the local area planning committee. This in effect means that no councillor can EVER support any voter in anything relating to planning applications in their area at all. This means anything.. waste dump, housing, shopping app, my extension. It also means they in effect they cannot really advise or help local campaigns. I have always found this very frustrating and the councillors I feel can in some situations use this to their "advantage". As this is well known by all councillors, and as some of the councillors that have used this particular argument with me in the past have actually spoken out before they should about this potential app, I have always been suspicious of their reasons for doing so(speaking out).
In most other areas there are some councillors that do not sit on the committees all the time, therefore they can stand with their residents and offer not only their personal support but their help and expertise.
I think you slightly miss the point I was making which was that to come out against an application before it has been submitted is evidence for the applicant that they did not have a fair hearing and will weigh heavily in any appeal.
Therefore for MiA to demand an oath of loyalty from councillor is counter productive.
I think Cllr Derbyshire makes the point extremely well.
I agree that councillors on the planning committees cannot comment either way about any planning application. However, unless its changed recently, Stockport is unusual in the fact that ALL councillors sit on the local area planning committee. This in effect means that no councillor can EVER support any voter in anything relating to planning applications in their area at all. This means anything.. waste dump, housing, shopping app, my extension. It also means they in effect they cannot really advise or help local campaigns. I have always found this very frustrating and the councillors I feel can in some situations use this to their "advantage". As this is well known by all councillors, and as some of the councillors that have used this particular argument with me in the past have actually spoken out before they should about this potential app, I have always been suspicious of their reasons for doing so(speaking out).
In most other areas there are some councillors that do not sit on the committees all the time, therefore they can stand with their residents and offer not only their personal support but their help and expertise.
Some of the discussion on this thread regarding predetermination seems to be based on the rules applied by the courts before the introduction of the Localism Act 2011. Section 25 of the Act, which came in to force earlier this year under the terms of a commencement order, introduced changes to the common law but with what result seems to be debatable. Councillors clearly have greater freedom to express views than before but there are certainly barristers who still see scope for future litigation on the issue.
Lets say the college does complete the deal with asda, and moves ahead with its plans to renovate the buxton lane campus. Would ASDA still allow the college to use the hibbert lane site whilst the improvement works are taking place on the buxton lane site? or would the college use porta-cabins as classrooms?
As a former employee of CAMSFC may I make a few observations?
The Corporation does indeed have a duty to maximise revenue from the disposal of college assets, but not to the extent that they need to subscribe to the abuse of financial power by ASDA so as to, in effect, over-rule local planning policies by expensive appeals. CAMSFC could simply have had a competitive bidding process for the land in question, subject to planning permission within the current planning policy, that is, for residential use. This would have discharged the legal obligations of the Corporation.
The Marple campus does have a real feel of serving local students, from Marple, Offerton, Bredbury, New Mills, Hayfield, Glossop, Chapel and other villages and towns nearby. It is local without being parochial and it is a shame that the current Senior Managers of CAMSFC do not seem to have a feel for this, nor for the responsibilities that it entails, especially to residents of Marple. Nevertheless they and the Corporation should get credit for a committment to maintaining a campus in Marple.
However my real concerns are not about the Hibbert Lane site, but about Buxton lane:
• It is a very very wet site.
• There is at least one filled in watercourse that runs across the site.
• Flooding of part of the car park is a regular occurrance.
• When, following the Disability Discrimination Act, a lift was constructed at the end of the tower block, it was subject to delays in construction, due to flooding of the excavated shaft.
• The Tower Block, which, in the artist’s depiction of the new construction, has a central place, has a limited life expectancy. It is quite an old building for a tall block in continual educational use, and was the subject of remedial work a few years ago. A request to see the professional advice that CAMSFC has received, over the past decade, about the structural integrity and life expectancy of the block, would be a fruitful line of enquiry, I would think.
Has there been any proper expenditure by CAMSFC on a substantial, in-depth, civil engineer’s investigation of the suitability of the Buxton Lane site for the heavy duty construction, and use, that is anticipated by the college?
There is little point in obtaining funds from a redevelopment of Hibbert Lane if the new college buildings that are planned cannot be built to time and cost, or in a way that allows sustainable use into the future.
Even if it can be constructed, it will require expert project management, and I doubt that the college has the expertise to do in house. There is a distinct possibility that, if the development is allowed, that there will be delays and costly over-runs. A general question relating to whether the SMT of the college have done a financial risk assessment of project delays would be helpful.
It is easy to forget that even though it has two campuses the college is a single corporate entity. The Cheadle Estate, although not without issues, is in relatively good shape. The quality of the Marple Estate is poor and deteriorating. The Corporation relies heavily on the Principal, Deputy and the Director of Finance and Resources, yet I fear that none has a good appreciation of the history of the estates, certainly none was in post when the old Margaret Danyers College had a tower block of its own, at the end of North Downs Road, Cheadle Hulme, which served as a point of entry to the campus, indeed the gateway is still in place.
This block was condemned about 1997/8, and subsequently razed. The new build followed. The new Cheadle Campus was eventually fenced in for security reasons and the old Downs Road site was effectively abandoned and allowed to return to green land, (although I think the hard base of the site remains to this day, below a thin covering of vegetation). Indeed I believe that its dis-use may have been a condition of the new build at Cheadle.
If so it needs to be reconsidered. The footprint of the old Downs Road site is quite large, embracing an old car park, roundabout, service road, the space occupied by the block, plus sports hall and refectory. There was also a miniature railway behind. The value of this as a residential development site could be substantial: It isn’t geniune green land, and a residential development would have little or no adverse impact on the area. Furthermore, as it is now completely seperate from the main campus at Cheadle, development could take place without any impact on teaching and learning.
The combined value of the Downs Road site and Hibbert Lane as residential development sites could be quite close to the £13M offered by ASDA, perhaps even in excess.
No-one likes the prospect of development on their doorstep, but developing the Downs Road site is clearly the lesser of two evils, compared to ASDA driving a coach and horses through SMBC development policy, and drastically altering the make up Marple village. The college and SMBC should be requested, as a matter of urgency, to re-evaluate the development status of the Downs Road site. For those with a sense of history the prospect of an unused asset at Cheadle, dating back to the days of Magaret Danyers College, being used to help ensure the future survival of a modern Marple Campus is a nice touch!
Unionman, very good posting, I just wish some people would actually join the debate on the excellent issues you raised and not nit pick odd words used. Welcome to the debate.
Unionman, very good posting, I just wish some people would actually join the debate on the excellent issues you raised and not nit pick odd words used. Welcome to the debate.
Odd word make up the whole and are important. Don't devalue their importance.
I am not sure that people would stay to shop locally for other items unless the local traders inprove their offering in terms of price and customer service. I would still cycle to homebase for some screws as they don't make me feel as if I am a nuisance for entering their store.
The list is endless.
I am not sure that people would stay to shop locally for other items unless the local traders inprove their offering in terms of price and customer service. I would still cycle to homebase for some screws as they don't make me feel as if I am a nuisance for entering their store.
The list is endless.
I am not sure that people would stay to shop locally for other items unless the local traders inprove their offering in terms of price and customer service. I would still cycle to homebase for some screws as they don't make me feel as if I am a nuisance for entering their store.
The list is endless.
That has to be the worst example ever. We have a hardware shop here that offers better everything than homebase / B&Q etc
Wheels, Duke,
If you are both referring to the same hardware shop as I am and I think you are then I've stopped going in it. They make me feel as if they don't want my business so I don't give it them. If you you ask a question say for example ..."where are you're 2 inch nails"? They growl at you and "point you in a direction". Unfortunately they are not the only business in Marple who don't seem to want my business, so I don't give it to them either. I'd sooner travel for a pleasant experience than stay at home for an unpleasant one.
Some (not all of them) of the businesses in Marple don't understand simple things such as; convenient opening times and please thank you and smile.
Wheels, Duke,
If you are both referring to the same hardware shop as I am and I think you are then I've stopped going in it. They make me feel as if they don't want my business so I don't give it them. If you you ask a question say for example ..."where are you're 2 inch nails"? They growl at you and "point you in a direction". Unfortunately they are not the only business in Marple who don't seem to want my business, so I don't give it to them either. I'd sooner travel for a pleasant experience than stay at home for an unpleasant one.
Some (not all of them) of the businesses in Marple don't understand simple things such as; convenient opening times and please thank you and smile.
Wheels, Duke,
If you are both referring to the same hardware shop as I am and I think you are then I've stopped going in it. They make me feel as if they don't want my business so I don't give it them. If you you ask a question say for example ..."where are you're 2 inch nails"? They growl at you and "point you in a direction". Unfortunately they are not the only business in Marple who don't seem to want my business, so I don't give it to them either. I'd sooner travel for a pleasant experience than stay at home for an unpleasant one.
Some (not all of them) of the businesses in Marple don't understand simple things such as; convenient opening times and please thank you and smile.
Bang on Simone I feel and am made to feel exactly the same. There are a whole range of traders in Marple like that and like you they do not get my business.
Wheels, Duke,
If you are both referring to the same hardware shop as I am and I think you are then I've stopped going in it. They make me feel as if they don't want my business so I don't give it them. If you you ask a question say for example ..."where are you're 2 inch nails"? They growl at you and "point you in a direction". Unfortunately they are not the only business in Marple who don't seem to want my business, so I don't give it to them either. I'd sooner travel for a pleasant experience than stay at home for an unpleasant one.
Some (not all of them) of the businesses in Marple don't understand simple things such as; convenient opening times and please thank you and smile.
Bang on Simone I feel and am made to feel exactly the same. There are a whole range of traders in Marple like that and like you they do not get my business.
Well they are always pleasant to me, maybe you are giving off egregious vibes. Don't take this the wrong way but you can sometime wind people up a bit.
You could be right Duke but the people in B & Q, Homebase etc don't seem to get wound up and there's a hardware shop that I sometimes use in Manchester and you know what they don't seem to get wound up either. They come over and ask you the most outrageous things, such as..."can I help you"? When you ask them where something is they actually show me and they don't look at me as if they don't like me, all in all they seem quite pleased to see you.
Big Shed, I'm not trying to dissuade you from going into you local hardware shop, far from it if you enjoy the experience and you feel made welcome. Its just that I don't enjoy and I don't feel welcome so I won't be joining you.
Interesting post on the 'Latest News' thread, linking the arrival of Costa Coffee with the recent sad closure of Toast. The proprietor of Toast suggests that his cafe's 'demise at the hands of Costa is a perfect, albeit small scale example of what happens when the national brands move in to a town..... Beware Marple, ASDA will come and the town will change drastically.'
But this analogy doesn't work. For a start, the national brands are already here - the Co-op, Iceland, Boots, Superdrug. And anyway, change is not necessarily a bad thing. Costa Coffee will undoubtedly have provided stiff competition for other local coffee shops, and I'm sorry to lose Toast. But by the same token, Asda is a supermarket, and the main threat it will pose is to the other supermarkets. Would we really shed many tears over those?
6 September 2012 - A warning to us all!
Well known, and unfortunately now ex-cafe restaurant owner, Dan Stringer of Toast, is quoted as saying:
"I think Marple residents need to be VERY clear about what they want. Toast's demise at the hands of Costa is a perfect, albeit small scale example of what happens when the national brands move in to a town. That's not to say Toast didn't make mistakes, but when a business's core income stream is affected so much it's very very hard to survive."
"Beware Marple, ASDA will come and the town will change drastically."
Interesting post on the 'Latest News' thread, linking the arrival of Costa Coffee with the recent sad closure of Toast. The proprietor of Toast suggests that his cafe's 'demise at the hands of Costa is a perfect, albeit small scale example of what happens when the national brands move in to a town..... Beware Marple, ASDA will come and the town will change drastically.'
But this analogy doesn't work. For a start, the national brands are already here - the Co-op, Iceland, Boots, Superdrug. And anyway, change is not necessarily a bad thing. Costa Coffee will undoubtedly have provided stiff competition for other local coffee shops, and I'm sorry to lose Toast. But by the same token, Asda is a supermarket, and the main threat it will pose is to the other supermarkets. Would we really shed many tears over those?
although if we get a supermarket in Hibbert Lane that could well change, with more footfall around the top end of Market Street, Church Lane and Derby Way.
Why did Toast customers move to Costa? Was it price, quality, ambience, service, location or what?
A supermarket on Chadwick St would increase the footfall but not one on Hibbert Lane.
Quotealthough if we get a supermarket in Hibbert Lane that could well change, with more footfall around the top end of Market Street, Church Lane and Derby Way.
A supermarket on Chadwick St would increase the footfall but not one on Hibbert Lane.
the way the video is worded saying that Asda is coming to Marple would suggest its a done deal . ::)
THEir NEW WEB SITE DOESNT WORK VERY WELL!
Tina,
To run a food festival you need lots of local shops, if the shops aren't there are you proposing we will have a Walmart food festival. NO THANKS
Every single independent shop in Whaley Bridge closed of course when Tesco move in.
Except they didn't did they? Whaley has far less vacant units than Marple.
I am very disturbed by the e-mail you recieved in the name of Marple in action. MIA have kept out of the Chadwick St issue. The mission was originally to prevent a supermarket on Hibbert Lane. Now people are being directed to the Stockport . Gov website regarding Chadwick St as an alternative. Are some, or a member saying it is acceptable to disrupt the residents of Chadwick St and surrounding roads? Just like the homes around the proposed Asda site, The homes on Chadwick St will also be affected by a supermarket in front of their homes, falling property prices, increased traffic and the general disruption that a supermarket brings. stockport Council are selling the Chadwick St site, it is within the district centre and there is sadly, very little we can do about it. I think we have a headless chicken running amok!
We are all speculating here as if we have an influence on whether Asda comes to town or not when of course we don't. What difference does it make whether they sell fish or not?
The scheme that Asda are proposing is becoming increasingly difficult to resist as each day goes by, as of course it was bound to be. There is even a suggestion that some of the local Councillors are now finding the proposal attractive. SMBC have no weapon to resist other than to say ..."It's not in the town centre"...That's absolutely all they've got together with some flimsies connected to traffic which might or might not happen. Remember it is not just about building an Asda it is also about saving and regenerating a College at least that is the way it is being presented. When Paul Lawrence said a year ago that Asda would not get planning permission, the "enabling" application was not on the horizon...well now it is. Ask him now and see how his resolve against it is. Don't be surprised if SMBC grant permission at the first go and don't be surprised if they don't, that the Highways & Planning Committee do. If both of them don't then the Inspectors surely will in the current planning climate.
Maybe we should be asking our Councillors to unite and get what they can for Marple out of Asda whilst the going is good instead of keep pressurising half of them to tell lies and the other half to stay silent just to cover their own political hides.
removing much needed general parking in the local centre,I am lead to believe that there will be no loss of car parking spaces on the Chadwick St site. The supermarket will be cut into the site (which is on a slope and the car park will continue onto the roof of new building. Before anyone jumps to conclusions, it will be a single storey building.
to a far from 'quality' supermarketdon't be worried Harry Walmart have already stated that they are not interested in the site. We will not know which supermarket it is until after the application receives planning permission, as the developer will only then go and see which supermarket is prepared to bid the highest.
Quoteremoving much needed general parking in the local centre,I am lead to believe that there will be no loss of car parking spaces on the Chadwick St site. The supermarket will be cut into the site (which is on a slope and the car park will continue onto the roof of new building. Before anyone jumps to conclusions, it will be a single storey building.
It's time for a quality supermarket to invest in the area. Why are all the lower end supermarkets getting the publicity? I'm not convinced Asda, Aldi, Co-op will suit a significant proportion of the community.
The situation will be much different now that Asda have declared their enabling plan. As I have previously said it was at first ...Are you against the ASDA on Hibbert Lane? Now it is are you for or against the Marple College/ASDA development ? This is is an entirely different thing.There are two reasons that the development at Hibbert Lane and Buxton Kane have been linked.
There is no guarantee anywhere that if the planning application is approved, that the college can't just collect the money and then bugger off to Cheadle.
Councils' can't just turn things down without good reason and imho good reason is diminishing as each day goes by..... I can't really see what can be done to realistically oppose the scheme.I wish you were right, Simone, but we can't be so sure. AFAIK the Hibbert Lane site remains zoned for residential use, not retail, and that must surely count as a 'good reason'. And as for this:
There will be many who are against a stand alone greedy supermarket but who would accept it as a reasonable price to pay for a brand new College secured to Marple for the forseeable future with all the benefits that this brings to Marple.....this is something that SMBC is going to find very difficult to reject.
Linking the two sites is a bit more than changing "focus" it is an entirely different presentation whatsoever. There will be many who are against a stand alone greedy supermarket but who would accept it as a reasonable price to pay for a brand new College secured to Marple for the forseeable future with all the benefits that this brings to Marple. I may be wrong ( I have been thousands of times before ) but this is something that SMBC is going to find very difficult to reject.
QuoteLinking the two sites is a bit more than changing "focus" it is an entirely different presentation whatsoever. There will be many who are against a stand alone greedy supermarket but who would accept it as a reasonable price to pay for a brand new College secured to Marple for the forseeable future with all the benefits that this brings to Marple. I may be wrong ( I have been thousands of times before ) but this is something that SMBC is going to find very difficult to reject.
Sorry Simone but I beg to differ, the planning application can only be judged on planning grounds alone. The Supermarket is outside the designated District Centre. There is available space within the District Centre. The Council will have to change the designated District Centre to allow the Supermarket to be built.
QuoteLinking the two sites is a bit more than changing "focus" it is an entirely different presentation whatsoever. There will be many who are against a stand alone greedy supermarket but who would accept it as a reasonable price to pay for a brand new College secured to Marple for the forseeable future with all the benefits that this brings to Marple. I may be wrong ( I have been thousands of times before ) but this is something that SMBC is going to find very difficult to reject.
Sorry Simone but I beg to differ, the planning application can only be judged on planning grounds alone. The Supermarket is outside the designated District Centre. There is available space within the District Centre. The Council will have to change the designated District Centre to allow the Supermarket to be built.
That is indeed the case
On what basis do you question the integrity of the local authority Simone. It seems to me we have a well run local authority that consistantly scores highly on various measures whenever they are assessed. Its not good enough to question the authority without providing evidence to back up your claims.QuoteLinking the two sites is a bit more than changing "focus" it is an entirely different presentation whatsoever. There will be many who are against a stand alone greedy supermarket but who would accept it as a reasonable price to pay for a brand new College secured to Marple for the forseeable future with all the benefits that this brings to Marple. I may be wrong ( I have been thousands of times before ) but this is something that SMBC is going to find very difficult to reject.
Sorry Simone but I beg to differ, the planning application can only be judged on planning grounds alone. The Supermarket is outside the designated District Centre. There is available space within the District Centre. The Council will have to change the designated District Centre to allow the Supermarket to be built.
That is indeed the case
I wish I had the confidence in the integrity of SMBC systems that you obviously have Victor and Wheels - but I don't. What I do have confidence in is the guile and trickery of our local politicians. If they want this scheme they will have it. It doesn't matter what they say in public. It's what they do in the confines of the Town Hall that counts. You just watch this space as soon as the planning application goes in a different set of noises will begin to emit from SMBC.
Re: Chadwick Street as a possible Aldi
Planning permission has been submitted for an Aldi on the site of Offerton precinct (see DC/050745 or here (http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/getimage.asp?DocumentNumber=186115)), so with the Romiley and Hazel Grove stores surely this rules out another in Marple? A mini Waitrose would be far better for the town centre anyway, especially in terms of bringing in shoppers likely to support locally-owned shops.
Waitrose seems to me to be overpriced and providing poor value for money and certainly of little appeal to the majority of Marple residents
Waitrose seems to me to be overpriced and providing poor value for money and certainly of little appeal to the majority of Marple residents
I would rather have a Waitrose or M&S foodstore than an Aldi.
How can you back up your claim Wheels?
Planning permission has been submitted for an Aldi on the site of Offerton precinct (see DC/050745 or here), so with the Romiley and Hazel Grove stores surely this rules out another in Marple?
The Council will have to change the designated District Centre to allow the Supermarket to be built.
Do they actually have to? There are plenty of business outside the District Centre.
But if they do, is it really that hard?
The District Centre is an arbitrary line drawn around the existing businesses. Extending it only involves adding on a few hundred metres (it's not as if the proposed supermarket is in hawk green or rose hill).
it doesn't matter if it's 300 m from the District Shopping or 3 miles.
it doesn't matter if it's 300 m from the District Shopping or 3 miles.
Oh yes it does. 'Edge of town' developments (which Hibbert Lane would be, I think) are favoured over 'out of town' developments. See, for example, http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/general/news/stories/2010/dec2010/9dec2010/091210_5
Meanwhile, on the 'Latest News' thread, we are told that 'with the "I LOVE MARPLE" campaign, Marple in Action are determined to keep up the fight.'
I went to the excellent Food Fair last weekend, and when I got home, sporting an 'I Love Marple' sticker on my jumper, I got a right telling off from Mrs Dave. 'How dare you', she said - 'coming home wearing that sticker supporting those people who are against the new supermarket'. So does saying 'I Love Marple' now mean that you are against the supermarket? ???
ASDA believe that within 300m is 'edge of centre' and that Hibbert Lane meets this criteria (see the other thread and the FOI links started by Neil Corrie). I have some sympathy with such a designation.
SMBC beg to differ.
This will be a key battleground in any planning debate / appeal.
it doesn't matter if it's 300 m from the District Shopping or 3 miles.
Oh yes it does. 'Edge of town' developments (which Hibbert Lane would be, I think) are favoured over 'out of town' developments. See, for example, http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/general/news/stories/2010/dec2010/9dec2010/091210_5
I figured Hibbert Lane was an "out of town" development, with there being a residential area between it and the town centre.
However, if you mean Chadwick Street, then perhaps that's more qualified as "edge of town", with it having retail premises on one side and residential on the other.
ASDA believe that within 300m is 'edge of centre' and that Hibbert Lane meets this criteria (see the other thread and the FOI links started by Neil Corrie). I have some sympathy with such a designation.
SMBC beg to differ.
This will be a key battleground in any planning debate / appeal.
Belly, you know about planning and presumably you know about local government.
So here's a question if you would be so kind to consider. I accept what you say about "edge of centre" battleground. I also belive that traffic management will be just as big an issue. However forget the planning pedantics for a minute. If the politicians (despite what some of them have said in public) actually want the Asda/CAMSFC scheme, even if planners have right on their side, will they be strong enough to resist the the political pressure ?
Given the importance to ASDA of the prompt and efficient completion of the college project I would have thought it possible that, not only would they project manage the construction, but they might also manage the finance by paying for the work directly rather than passing the funds to the college.
While on the subject of councilors, the same three have expressed their continuing objection to the proposals for the development of Hibbert Lane and the renewal of our college. They have also made it clear that there is little or no possibility of their changing their minds. This implies that they are prepared to take no account of any benefits to their electorate which might subsequently come to light.
Given the importance to ASDA of the prompt and efficient completion of the college project I would have thought it possible that, not only would they project manage the construction, but they might also manage the finance by paying for the work directly rather than passing the funds to the college.I think the online petition was mentioned last year as 1000 signatures were gained very quickly. Thousands have since signed the paper petition. As for the paper petition going to Downing Street, I think it has been hijacked!
I am a little puzzled by “Latest News” where the first 1000 signatures to the online petition was celebrated on 17th August 2011 but there was no celebration on the 17th August 2012 of the equally amazing news that the following 12 months had added another 354 signatures!
Also no reference to the announcement made at the last Local Area Meeting that Andrew Stunnell has arranged for the paper petition to be presented on the steps of 10 Downing Street. This is evidently so important that three of our councilors have expressed a wish to increase the publicity by travelling to London to attend this event and yet MIA do not consider it worth a mention.
While on the subject of councilors, the same three have expressed their continuing objection to the proposals for the development of Hibbert Lane and the renewal of our college. They have also made it clear that there is little or no possibility of their changing their minds. This implies that they are prepared to take no account of any benefits to their electorate which might subsequently come to light.
As for the paper petition going to Downing Street, I think it has been hijacked!
QuoteAs for the paper petition going to Downing Street, I think it has been hijacked!
Please can you explain
Please can you explain this?QuoteAs for the paper petition going to Downing Street, I think it has been hijacked!
Please can you explain
Please can you explain this?QuoteAs for the paper petition going to Downing Street, I think it has been hijacked!
Please can you explain
Taken from Facebook
Yes to Asda on Hibbert Lane Marple
about an hour ago
HOT OFF THE PRESS
Please be free to laugh out loud . MIA have in effect sacked Miss Marple, she is no longer allowed to speak on behalf of MIA and all other MIA officers wishing to make a statement have to have their words counter-signed by another officer!
So sad to hear MIA don't trust each other. And they want the people of Marple to trust them now ???
I just haven't heard the destination of the petition mentioned for a while, Miss Marple has not been sacked and is very active in MIA. I hope your pal Mr Braggins has not given you this false information, Though I doubt he gives much thought to any of your campaign. You are at the end of the day helping to bolster his extortionate salary. You mean nothing to him. He certainly will not be mentioning you to his friends while sharing a meal with them at the Ivy. Do you know why John Braggins (Asda millionaire spin doctor) has asked MM to be a friend on Facebook? Unless he wants her to do some moonlighting!
Simone writes 'If the politicians (despite what some of them have said in public) actually want the Asda/CAMSFC scheme...', but that is a very big 'if'. AFAIK there is no local councillor who supports the camsfc/Asda scheme.Look at their body language Dave, There are three of them.They don't like being challenged. One of them think they are royalty, The other a celebrity and the other thinks the moon is made of cheese.
I just haven't heard the destination of the petition mentioned for a while, Miss Marple has not been sacked and is very active in MIA. I hope your pal Mr Braggins has not given you this false information, Though I doubt he gives much thought to any of your campaign. You are at the end of the day helping to bolster his extortionate salary. You mean nothing to him. He certainly will not be mentioning you to his friends while sharing a meal with them at the Ivy. Do you know why John Braggins (Asda millionaire spin doctor) has asked MM to be a friend on Facebook? Unless he wants her to do some moonlighting!You've been reading to many comics again .......
I just haven't heard the destination of the petition mentioned for a while, Miss Marple has not been sacked and is very active in MIA. I hope your pal Mr Braggins has not given you this false information, Though I doubt he gives much thought to any of your campaign. You are at the end of the day helping to bolster his extortionate salary. You mean nothing to him. He certainly will not be mentioning you to his friends while sharing a meal with them at the Ivy. Do you know why John Braggins (Asda millionaire spin doctor) has asked MM to be a friend on Facebook? Unless he wants her to do some moonlighting!