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« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2013, 01:44:55 PM »
According to today's Stockport Express the council has now settled this issue with a limited range of cuts.  So, for example, they will be replacing specialist trained staff with untrained people.  However, some of the threatened cuts will not happen after all - broken park benches and playground equipment will continue to be repaired or replaced, and graffiti will be removed. So it looks like a welcome, if partial, success for the 'Save our Parks'  campaign.   :)

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« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2013, 07:05:48 AM »
There is a further opportunity to possibly have some influence on the people making decisions on park budget cuts following the consultation that finished at the end of May.

Please sign this petition started by Friends of Cale Green Park. As with anything like this numbers will make a difference, so please share through FB, Twitter, email and word-of-mouth:

Please sign this petition to tell SMBC that we do not want their proposed cuts to our parks budgets.

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/stockport-council-abandon-plans-to-reduce-funding-for-parks-open-spaces-by-1-million#
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« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2013, 10:26:48 PM »
The covenants were made by the Carver and Barlow families when they donated the land to the community 90-odd years ago in memory of the Marple men who fell during the war. They probably had what were then good reasons to do so that we no longer understand. But as I said in my earlier post, if you come up with some realistic and practical proposals for the funding of a 5-a-side pitch then we will see if we can make them work. It would certainly get the support of the Bowling Community if it would stop kids playing football on the green. So stop talking and do it.

The Friends of the Park have already adopted the flowerbeds. We had to in order to stop them from being grassed over a couple of years ago during the first round of park budget cuts. I understand that we were the only park in Stockport that managed to do this. We raised £1,500 to plant them out with perennials and now all they need is maintenance and top-up planting that can be covered by volunteers, plants donated by the public and a few quid here and there.

£50 is barely enough to buy a decent small plaque, let alone something to mount it on, and I don't believe you could find a local business prepared or able to put in the time required to manage a bed by themselves. But if you can then I'm happy to be proved wrong and we will make a bed available for them. But you need to hurry up because spring is upon us!

There are opportunities for businesses to sponsor flowerbeds - there is the replanting of the Jubliee bed that I've already mentioned with a budget of around £500. We have also just planted a rose hedge around the edges of the War Memorial beds as part of our plans to commemorate the approaching WWI centenaries. The cost of this is approx £200 and it could be sponsored by local businesses for that sum plus the cost of suitable discrete plaques to publicise the fact.

If you were in touch with what goes on locally then you would know that the kids built their own BMX track here too, in Brabyns Park, but the council destroyed it. The existing skate park in Memorial Park was built in 2000 as result of local users campaigning for it. Some of those same users are working with us now to try and improve it. You asked for plans and I've given them to you. Now I sense that after suggesting that you can talk to Decathlon and Sports Direct if you had these you are now wriggling on this and you are not really interested in trying to help at all.

No worries Duke, it's what I expected from you and proves to me that your talk of sponsorship is just that. Talk! Prove me wrong - I'll be delighted.

 

I can't say I'm really in touch with the history of the park, I've only lived here a couple of years but i suspect I know about as much as 99% of the park users. Most park users really just want it to be 'nice', that's not to say we should forget it's history but it must, primarily, be fit for purpose in a modern era.

I think the problem with the sponsorship you talk of is the word 'discrete'. Sponsors don't want discrete, they want to be noticed.

As you suggest, it may be a little late for this year but I'll get a company to take over a flower bed for next year.

As for the 5-a-side pitch, I think I can get a company to supply  two goals and a perimeter fence in exchage for 3 years of advertising around the pitch.

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« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2013, 07:08:02 AM »
I'm saddened that there are covenants on the park that forbid team sports, what is a park for? there is a little five a side pitch, it needs another set of goals and a little bit of advertising along the side should pay for that.

The covenants were made by the Carver and Barlow families when they donated the land to the community 90-odd years ago in memory of the Marple men who fell during the war. They probably had what were then good reasons to do so that we no longer understand. But as I said in my earlier post, if you come up with some realistic and practical proposals for the funding of a 5-a-side pitch then we will see if we can make them work. It would certainly get the support of the Bowling Community if it would stop kids playing football on the green. So stop talking and do it.

As for flower beds, I was thinking more that local businesses 'adopt' a flower bed from Spring to autumn with a token payment of say £50 for a starter set - including a plaque etc and then the local business maintains the flower bed for the period. That way, the park is kept looking good and the business get's it's name in lights or flowers.

The Friends of the Park have already adopted the flowerbeds. We had to in order to stop them from being grassed over a couple of years ago during the first round of park budget cuts. I understand that we were the only park in Stockport that managed to do this. We raised £1,500 to plant them out with perennials and now all they need is maintenance and top-up planting that can be covered by volunteers, plants donated by the public and a few quid here and there.

£50 is barely enough to buy a decent small plaque, let alone something to mount it on, and I don't believe you could find a local business prepared or able to put in the time required to manage a bed by themselves. But if you can then I'm happy to be proved wrong and we will make a bed available for them. But you need to hurry up because spring is upon us!

There are opportunities for businesses to sponsor flowerbeds - there is the replanting of the Jubliee bed that I've already mentioned with a budget of around £500. We have also just planted a rose hedge around the edges of the War Memorial beds as part of our plans to commemorate the approaching WWI centenaries. The cost of this is approx £200 and it could be sponsored by local businesses for that sum plus the cost of suitable discrete plaques to publicise the fact.

I must admit, I'm not that much of a fan of the concrete thing but I do think that provision of sports areas. My immediate thought was that £75k buys a lot of football goals which would get a lot more kids active. Nevertheless, to get sponsorship, there has to be something in it for the sponsor which means some constant visibility, advertising on the runs themselves of perimeter bill boards but I suspect the value of this will be more in line with general maintenance. When I were a lad, BMX was the craze and the lads who were into it made a bmx park out of bits of spare building materials and their Dad's then got together and made it a little safer. That skate park is still there and more popular than ever but it was done on a shoestring.

If you were in touch with what goes on locally then you would know that the kids built their own BMX track here too, in Brabyns Park, but the council destroyed it. The existing skate park in Memorial Park was built in 2000 as result of local users campaigning for it. Some of those same users are working with us now to try and improve it. You asked for plans and I've given them to you. Now I sense that after suggesting that you can talk to Decathlon and Sports Direct if you had these you are now wriggling on this and you are not really interested in trying to help at all.

No worries Duke, it's what I expected from you and proves to me that your talk of sponsorship is just that. Talk! Prove me wrong - I'll be delighted.

 
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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2013, 11:13:01 AM »
The designs are here:

http://www.marplememorialpark.org.uk/projects/skate-park-improvements.html
http://www.marplememorialpark.org.uk/memorialpark/Bendcrete-Marple-Skate-Park.pdf
http://www.marplememorialpark.org.uk/memorialpark/Acrete-Marple-Skate-Park.pdf

There is a 3D animated video of the Acrete design on the Facebook page (19 Feb 2012): http://www.facebook.com/marpleskatepark

I know nothing about advertising space, so hopefully you can sort that out and come up with some proposals.

Good luck with Decathlon - we approached them about some prizes for a raffle and they ignored us.

£1700 +VAT is the price quoted by an Extreme Sports Company to provide a professional skateboarder, a professional BMX rider and a compare and equipment to put on 4 x 10 minute demos on Carnival Day. They would be there from 10am to 4pm and in between the demonstrations they would coach local skate park users and possibly run a couple of small competitions. The purpose is to raise awareness of the skate park project, get the kids more engaged on developing the final design, raising money etc and to produce a video of the day with interviews etc that will help with the grant application. Pretty much all the details are in place, I just need the money please.

I wasn't asking you do decide if railings are needed - the Friends of the Park have decided that it is an improvement we would like to make. Your brief is to raise the money for it please.

There are covenants on the park that forbid organised team games like football and cricket so we might have trouble selling the 5-a-side idea but by all means come up with some proposals and we will see if we can make them work.

A sponsor for the summer bedding in the Diamond Jubilee Project bed would be extremely welcome. £500 would go most of the way to covering it. Please make your cheque payable to "Friends of Marple Memorial Park" and send to me at 72 Woodville Drive, Marple, SK6 7QX. Or even better, donate it through localgiving.com and we will get Gift Aid too:

https://localgiving.com/charity/fommp

I must admit, I'm not that much of a fan of the concrete thing but I do think that provision of sports areas. My immediate thought was that £75k buys a lot of football goals which would get a lot more kids active. Nevertheless, to get sponsorship, there has to be something in it for the sponsor which means some constant visibility, advertising on the runs themselves of perimeter bill boards but I suspect the value of this will be more in line with general maintenance. When I were a lad, BMX was the craze and the lads who were into it made a bmx park   out of bits of spare building materials and their Dad's then got together and made it a little safer. That skate park is still there and more popular than ever but it was done on a shoestring.

I'm saddened that there are covenants on the park that forbid team sports, what is a park for? there is a little five a side pitch, it needs another set of goals and a little bit of advertising along the side should pay for that. 

As for flower beds, I was thinking more that local businesses 'adopt' a flower bed from Spring to autumn with a token payment of say £50 for a starter set - including a plaque etc and then the local business maintains the flower bed for the period. That way, the park is kept looking good and the business get's it's name in lights or flowers.

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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2013, 09:45:34 AM »
It's good to see Alan Titchmarsh speaking out about the same things that concern local Friends of Parks Group like our own and others throughout Stockport:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/394837/Alan-Titchmarsh-hits-at-cuts-for-city-parks
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« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2013, 06:28:31 PM »
As it happens, I could be seeing Decathalon & sports Direct in the next 2 months. If you can let me have the design for the skate park and perhaps and proposals of how much advertising space there can be, I will approach them. I am working tomorrow so I can't do the rose digging tomorrow but the next one, if I'm available, I'll happily put in a couple of hours.

What is needed for the BMX & Skate competition? Why £1700 + vat? It's not really my bag but there could be something I can do.

Not sure that the iron railings are needed, the memoprial looks good to me.

The little 5-a-side pitch on th epark could do with a spruce up, I'll have a think on poetential sponsors to provide perimeter advertising around the pitch.

In terms of sponsoring flower beds, I can take on two flower beds for the summer.

The designs are here:

http://www.marplememorialpark.org.uk/projects/skate-park-improvements.html
http://www.marplememorialpark.org.uk/memorialpark/Bendcrete-Marple-Skate-Park.pdf
http://www.marplememorialpark.org.uk/memorialpark/Acrete-Marple-Skate-Park.pdf

There is a 3D animated video of the Acrete design on the Facebook page (19 Feb 2012): http://www.facebook.com/marpleskatepark

I know nothing about advertising space, so hopefully you can sort that out and come up with some proposals.

Good luck with Decathlon - we approached them about some prizes for a raffle and they ignored us.

£1700 +VAT is the price quoted by an Extreme Sports Company to provide a professional skateboarder, a professional BMX rider and a compare and equipment to put on 4 x 10 minute demos on Carnival Day. They would be there from 10am to 4pm and in between the demonstrations they would coach local skate park users and possibly run a couple of small competitions. The purpose is to raise awareness of the skate park project, get the kids more engaged on developing the final design, raising money etc and to produce a video of the day with interviews etc that will help with the grant application. Pretty much all the details are in place, I just need the money please.

I wasn't asking you do decide if railings are needed - the Friends of the Park have decided that it is an improvement we would like to make. Your brief is to raise the money for it please.

There are covenants on the park that forbid organised team games like football and cricket so we might have trouble selling the 5-a-side idea but by all means come up with some proposals and we will see if we can make them work.

A sponsor for the summer bedding in the Diamond Jubilee Project bed would be extremely welcome. £500 would go most of the way to covering it. Please make your cheque payable to "Friends of Marple Memorial Park" and send to me at 72 Woodville Drive, Marple, SK6 7QX. Or even better, donate it through localgiving.com and we will get Gift Aid too:

https://localgiving.com/charity/fommp
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« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2013, 04:51:40 PM »
Duke,

As Treasurer of Friends of Marple Memorial Park I would like to invite you to "walk the talk" and become our sponsorship fund raiser.

Here's our current shopping list:

We need £1,700 +VAT before the end of May to hold a skateboarding and BMX event as part of Marple Carnival. Find it for us please.

We need a little over £15,000 to reach our match-funding target of £20,000 so that we can apply for a grant of around £80,000 to build a new skate park. Find it for us please - or even better - just find us £100k and we can get it built without all the messing about with grant applications.

We need around £5,000 to build a new bespoke set of Iron Railings around the war memorial for 2014 - 100 years since the start of WWI. Find it for us please.

We need somewhere between £50,000 and £100,000 for another project that we'd like to do to commemorate the Great War between 2014 and 2018. I should have a better idea of the cost soon but don't let that stop you - find it for us please.

Come and join us to help plant a new rose hedge around the war memorial beds tomorrow and between digging you can chat with me about your ideas of how you will raise all this fantastic sponsorship for us.

If you can do even a fraction of this for us over the next 6 months we'll help you with your campaign to become a Marple Councillor in the 2014 elections. We'll make you a local hero!

As it happens, I could be seeing Decathalon & sports Direct in the next 2 months. If you can let me have the design for the skate park and perhaps and proposals of how much advertising space there can be, I will approach them. I am working tomorrow so I can't do the rose digging tomorrow but the next one, if I'm available, I'll happily put in a couple of hours.

What is needed for the BMX & Skate competition? Why £1700 + vat? It's not really my bag but there could be something I can do.

Not sure that the iron railings are needed, the memoprial looks good to me.

The little 5-a-side pitch on th epark could do with a spruce up, I'll have a think on poetential sponsors to provide perimeter advertising around the pitch.

In terms of sponsoring flower beds, I can take on two flower beds for the summer.


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« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2013, 03:47:19 PM »
Duke,

As Treasurer of Friends of Marple Memorial Park I would like to invite you to "walk the talk" and become our sponsorship fund raiser.

Here's our current shopping list:

We need £1,700 +VAT before the end of May to hold a skateboarding and BMX event as part of Marple Carnival. Find it for us please.

We need a little over £15,000 to reach our match-funding target of £20,000 so that we can apply for a grant of around £80,000 to build a new skate park. Find it for us please - or even better - just find us £100k and we can get it built without all the messing about with grant applications.

We need around £5,000 to build a new bespoke set of Iron Railings around the war memorial for 2014 - 100 years since the start of WWI. Find it for us please.

We need somewhere between £50,000 and £100,000 for another project that we'd like to do to commemorate the Great War between 2014 and 2018. I should have a better idea of the cost soon but don't let that stop you - find it for us please.

Come and join us to help plant a new rose hedge around the war memorial beds tomorrow and between digging you can chat with me about your ideas of how you will raise all this fantastic sponsorship for us.

If you can do even a fraction of this for us over the next 6 months we'll help you with your campaign to become a Marple Councillor in the 2014 elections. We'll make you a local hero!
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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2013, 01:46:08 PM »
Stockport Council are proposing savage cuts from the Parks and Open Spaces budget in 2014/2015.

£1M (30%) is planned to be cut from a budget of £3.9M.
The proposals include things like:
No longer employing people with any horticultural knowledge to look after flowerbeds, trees, shrubs and parkland. I don't see this as a massive problem, outsourcing is fine and when not get the 'friends of XYZ park' to invite sponsorship for  a year!

Removing instead of repairing or replacing broken play equipment.This is nuts, again sponsorship should be able to keep things in order, if the sponsor can have a hoarding placed around a play area and that will pay for upkeep

Removing instead of repairing or replacing broken fencing, seating, signage, and other street furniture. .agina, this is daft, again sponsorship should be able to keep things in order,

Picking up litter in parks NO MORE THAN once per week..Ok I suppose

Fewer staff based at specific parks (this will almost certainly impact Marple Memorial Park's staffing). Ok I suppose, empowering the freids of the park should do

Removing support to Friends of Park Groups, leaving them to try and get on with a bigger work load on their own.Ok I suppose again, as long as they are empowered to do the work and maybe give a bit of budget.

A cessation or reduction in the frequency of hedge trimming, cutting grass, removing graffiti, pruning, weeding and maintenance of parks. Ok the sponsorship idea civers the flower beds



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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2013, 09:28:10 AM »
Sigh, Dave you really are thick sometimes

Sorry for the insult Dave but you know the standard Labour Party line on this is utter rubbish.

Stock ports interpretation is wrong, there are better ways of financing parks. Sponsorship and big society is the way

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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2013, 11:13:11 PM »
Just done it - it's a shocker, isn't it!   But it's not hard to work out why it's happening now - as I understand it, the latest cuts are being forced on councils by the government's big reductions in Council Tax Benefit.   Councils are having to decide whether to pass on the reduction to those who have been in receipt of the benefit, which means their Council Tax will go up, or absorb the cut by making savings.  Trouble is, as Admin says, they can only make savings in non-statutory areas such as libraries, parks, museums etc.  In other words, they are between a rock and a hard place.

So the wealthiest people in the country are getting a tax cut (down from 50% to 45%), funded by the running down and/or closure of parks and childrens' playgrounds.  I think I'll stop now - I can feel a rant coming on.....   :o

Sigh, Dave you really are thick sometimes

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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2013, 07:03:46 PM »
@stockportlabour: Question from public gallery on Lib Dem plans to close 2 winter bowling greens and 7 summer bowling greens

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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2013, 06:30:52 AM »
Green spaces boosts wellbeing of urban dwellers - study:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-22214070#main-content

Another good reason to do the consultation on-line to save our parks from cuts:

www.marple-uk.com/parks

If you have done it already, please share it with some friends.

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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2013, 09:34:02 PM »
Done it.  Must go and visit the Pitch and Putt to see what the fuss is about in Stockport Council.