Candidates' views on Clean Air Zone Charging

[GM]

Just to prove how much of a con that website is I put mellor cross as the address.

It said medium air pollution and exceeds three who limits, for lacking another word b...s comes to mind

[GM]

Have a read on the about us section on the website, my hysterical screeching comment is probably underplaying they're levels of screeching.

[jimblob]

https://www.addresspollution.org/

@nbt , are you able to provide information that validates the results when using this website?
Manchester's own website... https://cleanairgm.com/data-hub/diffusion-tubes/
tells a totally different picture of only 2 out of 497 diffusion tubes indicating that targets are not being met across the whole of GM

[GM]

If you believe anything like that linked website I think you might need to do a little better research.

We covered air quality before, there was zero cause for any concern according to actual recorded data across the whole of greater Manchester!.

Websites like that are the digital version of hysterical screeching by the stop oil and other activists

[nbt]

In all honesty is that really what you want our world to look like wheels?.

Ermm -yes? What's up with it? The cosrt of fuel is rising, the cost of living is rising, bikes are way cheaper than cars and far better for your health

If you think we can continue with the status quo then you really need to step back and look at the problems cars cause.

If you think the Clean Air Zone is unnecsssary, can I suggest you check your addresss here

https://www.addresspollution.org/

[GM]

In all honesty is that really what you want our world to look like wheels?.

[wheels]

#jimblob I think you make my point very well. Well done.

[GM]

How on earth did you get the inspirational poster from the offices of CAZ scheme ?.

[jimblob]

Nobody has yet been able to articulate what's wrong with a CAZ it seems to me an excellent idea as does  charging per mile.

[wheels]

Nobody has yet been able to articulate what's wrong with a CAZ it seems to me an excellent idea as does  charging per mile.

[GM]

They say the devil is in the details, however from experience the more ambiguous and airy the answer the less of a clue they actually have.

But rest assured they'll find a way to make you pay more, what was the 1950s phrase, nuclear energy too cheap to meter.

[Dave]

Thanks for the replies. Still a bit mystified, I headed for this website in search of enlightenment:  https://cleanairgm.com/

I'm still none the wiser, but I did find this brief paragraph about non-charging CAZs:
'Non-charging Clean Air Zones: Defined geographic areas used as a focus for action to improve air quality. This action can take a range of forms but does not include the use of charge-based access restrictions.'

'A range of forms'      .... or to put it another way 'we haven't got a clue'.   Apparently GM is supposed to be coming up with a revised scheme by 1 July.  I'll believe it when I see it........

[GM]

Then it's the sticky slope of charging per mile and other green agenda ideas forcing you to pay through the nose, before implementation of the you will own nothing and be happy.

[jimblob]

Maybe I'm just being dim, but how would a 'non-charging' zone work?

it wouldn't!
despite Labour having opted for a charging zone in the first place and then back-tracking and blaming others, non-charging (for now at least whilst there's an election looming) is merely the thin end of the wedge. Once established as a "zone" with cameras and infrastructure, it's a giant cash machine that just needs the switch flicking to "charge-mode" that hits those who can least afford it. Labour will argue that to be able to provide all the Utopean ideals they promise you, the funding needs to come from somewhere........... YOU!

[Dave]

We will.... push the Tories for a non-charging zone for all affected vehicles ...... The preferred option is for a non-charging zone, and that has to be presented to Government by July 1st. 

Maybe I'm just being dim, but how would a 'non-charging' zone work?  If there's no charge, then what is the incentive for drivers to switch to less polluting vehicles, which is presumably what the charge is intended to achieve.