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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 06:28:53 PM »
An article has been added to the main site about Friends of Rose Hill Station and other rail user groups' fight to stop train cuts proposed for Rose Hill to Manchester Piccadilly line:

https://www.marple.website/community-projects/fighting-rose-hill-cuts.html


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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 08:05:48 AM »
Thanks for the comment and clearly Northern have had problems with staffing levels and insufficient number of staff to meet their agreed service levels for some time. However we are arguing the point that their claim that this service is lightly used is not justified and why us? We have official ORR (Office of Rail and Road) numbers that passenger traffic has increased on this line by  40% in the last 5 years and, on an annual basis, would affect around 250,000 passengers travelling to and from Manchester.

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2020, 05:44:09 PM »
Melancholy writes:
train drivers are no different to other driving professions in that they have to have basic good health, are tested for serious conditions when they enroll, and have regular medicals to test for these things. They are therefore highly unlikely to be classed as vulnerable people. 

Well the regional director of Northern says they have 'a number of colleagues who are classified as vulnerable'. Unless we are calling him a liar (I hope not!), then we have to take him at his word.

In any job, including driving trains, staff can over time develop chronic medical conditions.  Some of these, such as asthma, bronchitis,  type 2 diabetes, are manageable, and don't prevent staff from continuing to do their jobs.  But they do make them vulnerable to covid-19. 

All employers are obliged to make 'reasonable adjustments' to an employee's working conditions in order to accommodate illness or disability, as long as the illness or disability doesn't prevent them from doing their job.  In the case of a train driver, my guess is that they would be OK to continue to drive, because they will normally be alone in the cab and therefore 'socially distanced'. But they would not be able to have anyone else in the cab with them, which would presumably rule out being trained on new trains.

So it does appear that Northern have got a real problem. I wish FoRHS luck with their petition, but it's hard to see what the solution might be.

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2020, 04:17:49 PM »
Hello, the Friends of Rose Hill Station have started discussions with Northern, TfGM and other groups about the temporary cancellation.
Our first Press Release is attached. ITV Granada Reports also filmed at the station last Tuesday 28th July and we are waiting now for it to be broadcast.

Obviously we need all the support to oppose this terrible decision so let me know if you have any questions or require contact details of relevant indiviuals using the email address quoted in the press release.

Thanks




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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2020, 10:36:57 AM »
She also writes:
The government/ NHS classify people with certain long-term health conditions as vulnerable to the Coronavirus- diabetes, respiratory diseases, cancer etc.  Also older people (eg over 70). They are supposed to take extra precautions and not mix with others, so they probably couldn’t undergo driver training.

Yes, but train drivers are no different to other driving professions in that they have to have basic good health, are tested for serious conditions when they enroll, and have regular medicals to test for these things. They are therefore highly unlikely to be classed as vulnerable people.  I also find it unlikely that the only people qualified to train the drivers are over 70 or seriously ill, too.

I agree the petitions are an over-reaction and guaranteed to get public sympathy and support (which is why the local politicians are climbing on them). I'm not so sure that services would resume again though. So much about this crisis is taking away things and being very reluctant to give them back.

Andrewbowden I don't disagree that Pacers have to go, but for the sake of keeping a service open for everyone it's better having them than no trains at all. 

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2020, 06:05:37 PM »
The manager of Northern Rail seems to put this squarely as a result of being unable to train people up to drive new trains.  Given the situation, why not keep the Pacer "fleet" going in the meantime if it serves the community as it did? 

Some Pacers are still running.  Hang around Marple and you will see them.  Due to disability laws, they have to be coupled with an accessible train. So you will see them coupled up to something else.

But ultimately what they want/need is to get rid of them and ensure their shiny new trains are running (n.b. not that they are due to serve Marple.) because otherwise you have millions of pounds worth of trains hanging round that are unusable. How long do you keep them sat there?  It could take years otherwise.

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2020, 12:44:13 PM »
Melancholy makes a good point about temporarily bringing back the ‘Pacers’ to solve the problem of driver training.

She also writes:
He says a number of colleagues are "classified as vulnerable". By whom, and how? What are the criteria for someone being "invulnerable"?

The government/ NHS classify people with certain long-term health conditions as vulnerable to the Coronavirus- diabetes, respiratory diseases, cancer etc.  Also older people (eg over 70). They are supposed to take extra precautions and not mix with others, so they probably couldn’t undergo driver training.

To be honest I think all the petitions are an over-reaction. Very few people are using the trains at the moment. Northern have clearly got a problem, but it should be a temporary one. There’s no reason to see this as a sneaky way of achieving permanent closure of Rose Hill. I think we should all calm down and take Northern at their word.

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2020, 09:55:47 PM »
The manager of Northern Rail seems to put this squarely as a result of being unable to train people up to drive new trains.  Given the situation, why not keep the Pacer "fleet" going in the meantime if it serves the community as it did? 

He says a number of colleagues are "classified as vulnerable". By whom, and how? What are the criteria for someone being "invulnerable"?  How is it not possible to train a train driver in a controlled setting?  How does "uplifting" services on the Marple-New Mills corridor balance with removing it entirely from a different corridor?

We should not be too surprised. Until very recently train companies were actively discouraging people to travel.

We are now seeing a whole new universe of bureaucracy and regulation.

It's very sad news but a logical progression based on fear.  Expect more of this, and in other places.

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2020, 02:47:59 AM »
Blimey Cyberman - it's a while since we saw the words 'esteemed' and 'David Cameron' in the same sentence!

As hatter says, it's unfortunate after all the good work that's been done to boost passenger numbers at Rose Hill in recent years. But right now numbers are pitiful, and unlikely to pick up for a while. And the reason given by Northern/ DOHL is all-too-convincing - a shortage of trained drivers.   So with alternative services available from Marple, and unprecedented amounts of space available in the car parks there,  the Rose Hill service was an obvious candidate for suspension.

And sadly the Wragg/ Smart petitions are just for show - they make the politicians look busy and committed to our interests, but they rarely have any effect.
"They" have been trying to close Rose Hill station and the line since I was a schoolgirl. Taking this opportunity to do it this time may just pull it off.
Don't look for the light at the end of the tunnel -  stomp along there and turn the bl**dy thing on yourself!

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2020, 03:41:01 PM »
Blimey Cyberman - it's a while since we saw the words 'esteemed' and 'David Cameron' in the same sentence!

As hatter says, it's unfortunate after all the good work that's been done to boost passenger numbers at Rose Hill in recent years. But right now numbers are pitiful, and unlikely to pick up for a while. And the reason given by Northern/ DOHL is all-too-convincing - a shortage of trained drivers.   So with alternative services available from Marple, and unprecedented amounts of space available in the car parks there,  the Rose Hill service was an obvious candidate for suspension.

And sadly the Wragg/ Smart petitions are just for show - they make the politicians look busy and committed to our interests, but they rarely have any effect.

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2020, 12:23:44 PM »
Isn't Northern Rail now effectively Government run (DOHL - a subsidiary of the Department of Transport)? If so it's somewhat disingenuous of William Wragg to suggest it's naughty Northern Rail's fault. Someone should remind him that the esteemed David Cameron promised us the Greenest Government Ever and green governments don't push people from trains into cars.

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2020, 06:47:52 AM »
There are two petitions that can be "signed" online to support campaigns to fight these proposals:

https://www.lisasmart.org.uk/rose-hill-rail

https://www.williamwragg.org.uk/campaigns/save-rose-hill-marple-service-piccadilly

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2020, 07:46:13 AM »
It's very disappointing, there has been so much work been put in over recent years to boost footfall at Rose Hill. It was until recently the highest it's ever been rising from c55,000 per year a decade ago to over 150,000 per year.

When BR was running the line the first trains to be cancelled were always Rose Hill. If they were short of guards they would suspend the whole service.

Exactly the same now, you take the franchised operator out of the equation with fines and targets and you get decisions like this.

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2020, 07:44:55 AM »
The lack of cars on Marple carpark its worrying you dont relise how many people are not working or working from home .
...... or choosing to drive to work?

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Re: Suspension of train services from Rose Hill
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2020, 10:46:49 PM »
Crikes.
The lack of cars on Marple carpark its worrying you dont relise how many people are not working or working from home .