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andrewbowden

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Re: Voting for Brexit
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2019, 11:19:06 PM »
It isn't simply the benefits it will bring to the nation, but also the benefits it will bring to Europe. Among many other things, we (and I mean all the nations of the EU), suffer from the appalling single market and the inability to favour ones own people and companies and to have our own standards. It threatens the identity of all member states.  Free trade is one thing; enforcing common standards is quite another.

Yes, it's terrible to have common standards thus making it easier to trade with other nations, isn't it? 

You see, you think the EU's bad and wrong for having common standards.  But what do you think happens when you want to trade with the US?  Or they want to trade with us?  It's not a free for all.  If you want to sell your product to the US, you have to abide by their rules.  Rules that - incidentally - ban Kinder Eggs. 

Global trade is all about standards of one form or other.  And the thing is, with the US we get zero say in those standards.  Nothing.  Our opinion is meaningless because we're pretty small fry.  We have no choice but to comply. You comply with the US rules or you don't trade.

Here's the thing with the single market.  We get a say.  We help shape and define those common standards.  And because everyone in the EU shares the same rule book, we can just sell our products abroad.  No paper work.  Nothing.  It's some of the easiest trade in the world.  And we have a say in what those rules are.

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The awful marmalade directive is an example of the nonsense we have (in this case, at UK insistence; enforcing our meaning of the word on other countries).

the marmalade directive.  This is a new one on me I must confess.

But I did some research and it turns out EU law means something can only be called marmalade if it has at least 20% citrus fruit!  And that the rules basically support the British definition of marmalade!  It gets worse.  Thanks to a BRITISH VICTORY in the EU, it's the UK that stopped other countries calling non-citrus based products marmalade!  At least one German MEP HATED the marmalade directive that he wanted it changed!  And probably many people do - and the reason it is what it is, is because of the UK!

It's all there in this Daily Telegraph article for anyone not clear on this maddening directive!  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/10/german-mep-demands-brexit-ends-hated-eu-marmalade-law/

Condate - I think you better find some better reasons to hate the EU than that one.  Cos that one is our fault.

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I hope Brexit will be the first step in the dissolution of the EU and the start of the building of a new and better Europe based on the real principles which make Europe, Europe and not on the liberal and economic basis that the EU embodies. Personally, I think that if Brexit does not bring out the liberation of at least some and preferably all the nations of Europe, it will not have succeeded. I also think that if we do not go ahead with Brexit, Parliament will not only have let down the people of the UK, but the people of France, Germany, Poland and the rest.

The EU is taking Europe in the wrong direction entirely, and we owe it all of Europe to help put an end to it.

So basically you have no tangible benefits for leaving other than  that we can continue to sell marmalade just as we always have, .  Just irrational hatred caused by your own misunderstanding.  You hate something so much that you want it completely destroyed.  That leaving is not enough for you.  That the democratic views of people in 27 other countries are not enough for you.  You demand destruction.  Because you hate.  Because you hate the EU because you don't understand the background to the marmalade directives.

I think it sums up the argument really.

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Re: Voting for Brexit
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2019, 09:51:35 PM »
The EU is taking Europe in the wrong direction entirely, and we owe it all of Europe to help put an end to it.

Absolutely. I am old enough to remember clearly the UK joining the European Economic Community (EEC) and the reasons why. This was to enable the ease of free bi-lateral trading. So much so that I supported (a big mistake) the 1975 referendum form the current Labour government. Since then it has morphed into the European Union (EU). David Cameron tried, prior to the current referendum to ensure that the UK benefited more from our financial input and failed. To Europe we are the ultimate cash cow. You may join the club but you will never be allowed to leave.

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Re: Voting for Brexit
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2019, 09:35:30 PM »
As someon who appears t be very much pro-brexit, can you please eaborate on the benefits it will bring us as a nation?

It isn't simply the benefits it will bring to the nation, but also the benefits it will bring to Europe. Among many other things, we (and I mean all the nations of the EU), suffer from the appalling single market and the inability to favour ones own people and companies and to have our own standards. It threatens the identity of all member states.  Free trade is one thing; enforcing common standards is quite another. The awful marmalade directive is an example of the nonsense we have (in this case, at UK insistence; enforcing our meaning of the word on other countries).   I hope Brexit will be the first step in the dissolution of the EU and the start of the building of a new and better Europe based on the real principles which make Europe, Europe and not on the liberal and economic basis that the EU embodies. Personally, I think that if Brexit does not bring out the liberation of at least some and preferably all the nations of Europe, it will not have succeeded. I also think that if we do not go ahead with Brexit, Parliament will not only have let down the people of the UK, but the people of France, Germany, Poland and the rest.

The EU is taking Europe in the wrong direction entirely, and we owe it all of Europe to help put an end to it.


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Re: Voting for Brexit
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2019, 07:21:00 PM »
I want the right to buy straight bananas. Much easier to fit in your lunchbox.
Suspect that this post is facetious, but just in case, the bendy banana myth is yet another of the stories invented or exxagerated by journalists - ooh look the former journalist Alexand Boris de Pfeffel Johnson (who incidentally has been sacked at least twice for lying)  has a history of inventing utter tripe about the EU

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/10-best-euro-myths-from-custard-creams-to-condoms
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Re: Voting for Brexit
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2019, 06:50:57 PM »
I want the right to buy straight bananas. Much easier to fit in your lunchbox.

That's fine because you have the right to buy a straight banana right now, and always have.  All you have to do is find a retailer who stocks them.

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Re: Voting for Brexit
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2019, 06:37:32 PM »
I want the right to buy straight bananas. Much easier to fit in your lunchbox.
Is that a euphemism for something illegal  :D?
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Re: Voting for Brexit
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2019, 06:00:15 PM »
I want the right to buy straight bananas. Much easier to fit in your lunchbox.

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Re: Voting for Brexit
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2019, 02:57:18 PM »
Ah yes, good point.

To be honest, I don't expect a reply. I've never had one yet from anyone to whom I've posed the question.
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andrewbowden

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Re: Voting for Brexit
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2019, 02:36:58 PM »
As someon who appears t be very much pro-brexit, can you please eaborate on the benefits it will bring us as a nation?

I would qualify that as tangible benefits.  Ones we will actually notice.  That will make a difference.

Otherwise you'll simply get told some meaningless waffle about being back in control or something!

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Re: Voting for Brexit
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2019, 01:08:44 PM »
He has voted in the only way that means I will vote for him at the next election, unless an even more committed opponent of the EU stands. Of course it may have the opposite effect on some people.

As someon who appears t be very much pro-brexit, can you please eaborate on the benefits it will bring us as a nation?
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Re: Voting for Brexit
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2019, 10:01:34 AM »
Don't worry.  The Nigel Farage Fanclub have said they will be standing in every seat in the country.  You can vote for them.  Off you go.

Yeah, I know they're officially called the Brexit Party, but you can't actually join the Brexit Party.  It's not possible.  Just not.  And you can't question the mighty Farage.  That's against the rules of the Brexit Party.  So I think Nigel Farage Fanclub is actually a more accurate name really.

Correct Andrew but then we all know NF set up The Brexit Party to continue to enhance his value on the speakers circuit. Once Brexit is killed off his value reduces for NF it's all about money making opportunities for NF.

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Re: Voting for Brexit
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2019, 09:56:39 AM »
Is that all that matters to you .


Largely YES

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Re: Voting for Brexit
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2019, 10:13:47 PM »
He has voted in the only way that means I will vote for him at the next election, unless an even more committed opponent of the EU stands. Of course it may have the opposite effect on some people.

Don't worry.  The Nigel Farage Fanclub have said they will be standing in every seat in the country.  You can vote for them.  Off you go.

Yeah, I know they're officially called the Brexit Party, but you can't actually join the Brexit Party.  It's not possible.  Just not.  And you can't question the mighty Farage.  That's against the rules of the Brexit Party.  So I think Nigel Farage Fanclub is actually a more accurate name really.

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Re: Voting for Brexit
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2019, 09:50:01 PM »
He has voted in the only way that means I will vote for him at the next election, unless an even more committed opponent of the EU stands. Of course it may have the opposite effect on some people.
me to .need to keep labour out .

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Re: Voting for Brexit
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2019, 09:09:56 PM »
The Labour Party has never voted to take our citizenship ship away. Wragg has. The Labour party are not seeking to take our freedom of movement away. Wragg has voted to.

He has voted in the only way that means I will vote for him at the next election, unless an even more committed opponent of the EU stands. Of course it may have the opposite effect on some people.