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Re: Proposed withdrawl of the 375 bus route between Marple and Mellor
« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2020, 10:23:48 AM »
Great news!  I look forward to being able to use it again!

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Re: Proposed withdrawl of the 375 bus route between Marple and Mellor
« Reply #41 on: April 08, 2020, 10:16:11 AM »
That’s great news Steve - thank you and well done to you and other councillors who worked hard to get the original decision reversed 👏👏

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Re: Proposed withdrawl of the 375 bus route between Marple and Mellor
« Reply #40 on: April 08, 2020, 10:07:26 AM »
***375 Bus***

Good morning

I am delighted to say that the 375 bus will be continued following a reversal in decision by TfGM. This has come large in part because of the weight of support our fantastic local community provided. Thank you very much to all who helped by petition signing, sending messages of support and providing evidence of why the service was so badly needed. Our petition is closing in on 4000 which is an incredible effort.

When travels restrictions are lifted lets do our best to use our local public services to ensure this sort of situation doesn’t happen for us again.

Kind regards and stay safe

Steve
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Re: Proposed withdrawl of the 375 bus route between Marple and Mellor
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2020, 10:43:18 AM »
Bus companies have to formally register changers to their services in advance of implementing them.  As part of their April timetable change, Stagecoach have now formally submitted the paperwork for withdrawing the whole of the 375 - including the commercial section between Stockport and Marple.  So obviously they've made their decision not to keep any part of the route running.

Sources here:
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/544904/
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PC0003681/90

Has to be stressed, this is just Stagecoach going through the proper process and making its own commercial decisions. 

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Re: Proposed withdrawl of the 375 bus route between Marple and Mellor
« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2020, 05:08:50 PM »
Not sure what you can do to help, Henrietta, apart from sign the petition. But there is a meeting about the proposed cut at Mellor Primary School next Saturday at 10 am - you can still get there on the bus!

Amazon, do you mind if I make a suggestion? It really isn’t necessary to clog up the forum by quoting everyone else’s post in full. Just saying.... 😏
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Re: Proposed withdrawl of the 375 bus route between Marple and Mellor
« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2020, 08:58:27 AM »
Not sure what you can do to help, Henrietta, apart from sign the petition. But there is a meeting about the proposed cut at Mellor Primary School next Saturday at 10 am - you can still get there on the bus!

Amazon, do you mind if I make a suggestion? It really isn’t necessary to clog up the forum by quoting everyone else’s post in full. Just saying.... 😏

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Re: Proposed withdrawl of the 375 bus route between Marple and Mellor
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2020, 08:19:47 PM »
What can I do to help?

I live on Buxton Lane and (due to severe arthritis which stops me driving and also makes walking any distance extremely difficult.) I use this bus regularly to get into Marple and do my shopping. It's bad enough that there isn't a regular service now but if "they" get rid of this service there will be only one service (394) to get into Marple, and to Stepping Hill and that is only a 2 hourly service. (and they wanted to axe that a while back!)

And heaven help people who live in Mellor and can't drive or don't have access to a car in the day time. I'm fed up with people assuming that everyone can drive and has a car. Mind you,  in Mellor you can buy your horse a new rug and a bottle of wine for yourself but as far as I can see by looking on line, there isn't anywhere that sells essential food for humans. Ok, there are taxis -but how long does it take for the nearest taxi to get to someone in Mellor and can they afford the regular fees?

And don't say "There's always Ocado". Which old lady or gentleman can store a large order of food and necessaries and if they don't have a car they probably can't afford an Ocado order anyway.

As I say, what can I do to help?
Have you signed the petition .

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Re: Proposed withdrawl of the 375 bus route between Marple and Mellor
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2020, 06:05:15 PM »
What can I do to help?

I live on Buxton Lane and (due to severe arthritis which stops me driving and also makes walking any distance extremely difficult.) I use this bus regularly to get into Marple and do my shopping. It's bad enough that there isn't a regular service now but if "they" get rid of this service there will be only one service (394) to get into Marple, and to Stepping Hill and that is only a 2 hourly service. (and they wanted to axe that a while back!)

And heaven help people who live in Mellor and can't drive or don't have access to a car in the day time. I'm fed up with people assuming that everyone can drive and has a car. Mind you,  in Mellor you can buy your horse a new rug and a bottle of wine for yourself but as far as I can see by looking on line, there isn't anywhere that sells essential food for humans. Ok, there are taxis -but how long does it take for the nearest taxi to get to someone in Mellor and can they afford the regular fees?

And don't say "There's always Ocado". Which old lady or gentleman can store a large order of food and necessaries and if they don't have a car they probably can't afford an Ocado order anyway
As I mentioned earlier, the section between Marple and Stockport is run commercially by Stagecoach.  It is not in the power of Transport for Greater Manchester to scrap that section - that decision can only be made by Stagecoach.

So unless Stagecoach have decided to withdraw it at, then that section will remain.

If for some reason they did decide they no longer wanted to run the Stockport to Marple section them Transport for Greater Manchester would have to review it and determine if they wanted to subsidise that service to keep it running.

Basically nothing happened on Friday that meant the whole of the 375 would be axed.  Just the Mellor/Marple section.
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As I say, what can I do to help?
Don't look for the light at the end of the tunnel -  stomp along there and turn the bl**dy thing on yourself!

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Re: Proposed withdrawl of the 375 bus route between Marple and Mellor
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2020, 05:21:38 PM »
Thanks for the update Steve. Your efforts are greatly appreciated.  :)

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Re: Proposed withdrawl of the 375 bus route between Marple and Mellor
« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2020, 05:04:59 PM »
Good Afternoon

My apologies for the delay in replying I have just returned from being away but have been keeping a watch on happenings. I will do my best to clarify the situation and offer my own view (bear with me please).

The TfGM ruling on February was exactly as stated, the vote was passed to start proceedings to cut the whole service. There was no mention of it being altered or for some of it to remain. We started a petition to get local support as soon as we were aware of the situation. We got nearly 2000 signatures before the meeting, which was fantastic. I contacted William Wragg as he started a petition the day before the meeting, I thought a united front would be good for our community. William didn’t respond to my contact and a Stalybridge Councillor presented his petition. I have since tried to contact him but as yet no response.

Since the meeting we have been working at a strategy to present our case to retain the service. @andrewbowden is correct that I am deputy chair of the forthcoming scrutiny meeting but I will actually be chairing it. Mayor Burnham will be present at the meeting also. Some may be aware that he was invited to Marple 4 weeks before the meeting and no mention of this cut was made. Of course it may have not been decided then but what was mentioned was the need for improved public transport.

Whilst trying not to be overly political or point fingers I want to stress everything will be done to retain the service, the amount of people who have emailed and phoned us in support of the service has been overwhelming, letters from school head teachers and local business owners have added more weight to our case.

The scrutiny meeting will be on 19th March, I will ascertain if it will be on webcast and will update on here accordingly.

I hope this provides a suitable update for those who read.

Kind regards

Steve 
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Re: Proposed withdrawl of the 375 bus route between Marple and Mellor
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2020, 04:16:31 PM »
Good Afternoon

My apologies for the delay in replying I have just returned from being away but have been keeping a watch on happenings. I will do my best to clarify the situation and offer my own view (bear with me please).

The TfGM ruling on February was exactly as stated, the vote was passed to start proceedings to cut the whole service. There was no mention of it being altered or for some of it to remain. We started a petition to get local support as soon as we were aware of the situation. We got nearly 2000 signatures before the meeting, which was fantastic. I contacted William Wragg as he started a petition the day before the meeting, I thought a united front would be good for our community. William didn’t respond to my contact and a Stalybridge Councillor presented his petition. I have since tried to contact him but as yet no response.

Since the meeting we have been working at a strategy to present our case to retain the service. @andrewbowden is correct that I am deputy chair of the forthcoming scrutiny meeting but I will actually be chairing it. Mayor Burnham will be present at the meeting also. Some may be aware that he was invited to Marple 4 weeks before the meeting and no mention of this cut was made. Of course it may have not been decided then but what was mentioned was the need for improved public transport.

Whilst trying not to be overly political or point fingers I want to stress everything will be done to retain the service, the amount of people who have emailed and phoned us in support of the service has been overwhelming, letters from school head teachers and local business owners have added more weight to our case.

The scrutiny meeting will be on 19th March, I will ascertain if it will be on webcast and will update on here accordingly.

I hope this provides a suitable update for those who read.

Kind regards

Steve
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Email: stevegribbonlibdems@gmail.com

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Re: Proposed withdrawl of the 375 bus route between Marple and Mellor
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2020, 03:48:10 PM »
According to the Manchester Evening News, it's going to the Greater Manchester Combined Authority's "Housing Planning and Environment Overview and Scrutiny" committee.  The MEN says "Although the committee cannot overturn resolutions made by the panel, it can make strong recommendations."
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/our-world-shrink-tremendously-those-17856818

There's no date for the next meeting of the committee listed on the Combined Authority's website but based on previous months, they happen in the middle of the month.
https://democracy.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/ieListMeetings.aspx?CommitteeId=247
Our very own Steve Gribbon is Deputy Chair according to the Combined Authority website, so it looks like the 375 will have a strong advocate when that meeting does happen.

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Re: Proposed withdrawl of the 375 bus route between Marple and Mellor
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2020, 11:01:41 AM »
I'm no expert on local authority jargon, but I think that being 'called in' means that elected councillors want to review a decision taken by officers.  So tfgm did take a decision, but there is now a glimmer of hope that it might be overturned.

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Re: Proposed withdrawl of the 375 bus route between Marple and Mellor
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2020, 06:31:19 PM »
According to an email from the Lib Dems today:

"...We have heard this morning that the decision has been 'called in' and will be discussed again at a future meeting of the Greater Manchester Planning & Environment Overview & Scrutiny Committee..."

Not sure how significant this is or whether the original decision is been delayed.

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Re: Proposed withdrawl of the 375 bus route between Marple and Mellor
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2020, 10:33:28 AM »
Andrew I think the problem is that lots of slightly different versions of information is leaching out with no definitive statement from anyone. It may be the Lib Dems have got it wrong as well but everyone who is actually interested in using the service seem to be the last to know anything. Lets see what Steve G posts on here in due course. Nothing wrong with planning for the worst case scenario though as on my observations/ experience the Mellor/ Marple section is generally used as much/ little as all the other sections so if this is uneconomic even with a subsidy I would still have worries in the longer term

Ultimately the route's status of part-subsidised, part-commercial does make things more more confusing.  And whilst I am not saying don't worry, it's important to consider the split of responsibilities

I do have concerns about the rest of the route myself - does lobbing off the Mellor section make it less economic to run the commercial section?  But the way our deregulated bus system works means that is a decision for Stagecoach and Stagecoach alone.  And until they announce revised timetables for the 375, we have absolutely no evidence they plan to withdraw the service.