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Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
« Reply #323 on: February 01, 2022, 02:23:17 PM »
We shouldn't need to beg the government to pay for something the council should be able to afford.

I agree, totally.  But since 2010 central government has progressively slashed local authority grants, and now there are councils in this country struggling to even provide the services they have to legally provide.  Local councils are not awash with money.

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I've said it before, even a temporary solution of a stainless steel liner would have kept costs down as a temporary measure and provided a income.

its been so long I've had to go back and refresh my memory on why the pool closed.  Two reasons were given.  1) pool fabric.  2) filtration.

A liner may help with 1, but not 2.  But how much would a liner cost?  Yes it would bring in an income, but would it make a profit?  What was Marple's finances like before it closed?  Marple was hardly the busiest leisure centre in the borough.  It was a pool with a tiny gym. The gym never seemed heavily used. 

How much income has been lost?  How many users were people like me, members, who have simply ended up using other facilities.  Some users will have been lost completely.  Some will have started using New Mills instead, taking their cash somewhere else.  But others will be going to Hazel Grove, to Romiley, or to Grand Central. It's quite possible that the amount of income lost by closure is lower than the costs of having Marple open in a holding state.  I'm sure someone will have done the finances.

(Lest anyone be in any doubt, I definitely want a new pool in Marple.  I go swimming four times a week and it's tedious going all over the borough to do it, driving past a completely empty facility in order to do so.)

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« Reply #322 on: February 01, 2022, 01:57:41 PM »
I'm hardly going to cut the council much slack, they seemed perfectly capable of spending lots of money during a pandemic to create a road scheme!.

We shouldn't need to beg the government to pay for something the council should be able to afford.

I've said it before, even a temporary solution of a stainless steel liner would have kept costs down as a temporary measure and provided a income.

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« Reply #321 on: February 01, 2022, 01:48:31 PM »
So, how did Tameside build so many so quickly ?.

Tameside Wellness Centre wasn't that quick.  Announced in 2016, opened minutes before lockdown in 2020.
Then there was the new pool at Active Hyde.  Announced at the same time, opened summer of 2021.  Took five years.  And both of those were part of a plan that had already been worked up.  Tameside announced in 2016 a leisure strategy that involved closing facilities and opening new ones.  Things were in motion.  I have no idea how long they'd been developing that strategy but it would have been a while.  From end to end, TWC and Hyde would have taken longer than four and five years respectively.

Marple's a different scenario.  There was no strategy.   No one was expecting to have to abruptly close and replace the pool.  It had only just had a new boiler installed.  They've had to come up with a strategy from scratch.  That takes time.  At the same time we've had lockdowns.  We've now got a government that's basically trying not to spend anything whilst lots of councils are desperate for more cash.  We've got an MP who is definitely not the Prime Minister's best friend.  We've got a leisure centre provider that's having to wind down its operations and pass them back to the council as they couldn't afford to keep going on.  Tameside got its funding pre-pandemic after all.

Now I don't have a clue what's going on in the council.  I don't know if they're doing a good job on this or a bad one.  But I do think it's hard to compare what Tameside did to what's happening here before, because they're not like for like.

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« Reply #320 on: February 01, 2022, 01:07:38 PM »
So to save everyone time reading the council waffle.

You want a pool but we can't find the money right now as we've tried getting funds from a government scheme and they said no.

So, how did Tameside build so many so quickly ?.

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« Reply #319 on: February 01, 2022, 11:56:17 AM »
A new public statement has been made by Stockport Council on the Marple Community Hub scheme this morning:

For ease, and for the record, this is posted below too:

Marple Leisure and Community Hub Update, January 2022
A project team within the council is continuing to work with Marple Ward Members.


The team will look to bring forward a scheme for a leisure and community hub, which would replace Marple Pool and provide updated leisure and community facilities for the local area. This builds on the community and stakeholder engagement work which was undertaken in March and December 2020.

Since the last update in November 2021, the council has received verbal feedback on our application to the Government’s Levelling Up Fund which was submitted in June 2021 and was largely based on plans developed through the public engagement process and amended in line with specific concerns about access and parking, proximity to neighbouring residential properties and protection of woodland in the park.

The feedback indicated that the scheme submitted demonstrated a strong strategic fit, good value for money and met local priorities and challenges well.

Unfortunately the Levelling Up Fund was extremely competitive, and our bid was not successful on this occasion. The feedback has encouraged us to continue developing a scheme incorporating a range of leisure, community and health provision in readiness for a potential further round of Levelling Up Fund or similar Government funding schemes. We are continuing dialogue with a range of local partners to progress this project.

In parallel with developing a larger scheme, development continues on a core scheme focusing on pool, leisure and library offer and we have assembled the professional team required to bring this work to a pre-planning stage. We aim to have completed this work by the end of April and will issue further updates as progress is made and we have a developed scheme ready for public engagement and an agreed funding strategy.

Link: https://www.stockport.gov.uk/news/marple-leisure-and-community-hub-update-january-2022

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« Reply #318 on: November 23, 2021, 01:44:05 PM »
Well that inspires...  I'm going for a new pool opening in 2027.

That's ok, or a bit early for the very large number of us who would not use a pool unless we were forced to at gunpoint and have never understood the point of a leisure centre (and remember The Brittas Empire!).

Ok, I know a lot of people do want to use this sort of thing, so it's probably worth doing, but it is a well to remember that great many people are not remotely interested.

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Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
« Reply #317 on: November 23, 2021, 01:31:37 PM »
I'd guess they won't do anything until plans are finalised for the replacement.  Just in case.

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« Reply #316 on: November 23, 2021, 10:39:49 AM »
So anyone know what's happening to the old Baths that are now starting to look tatty on Stockport Road

Nothing has been stated yet. At a guess (I have no inside info) the site is likely to be sold for retail or similar to part fund the new facility. It might be possible to use it as a temporary library while the new facility is being built but it would probably be too much of a technical challenge due to the empty pool. I understand that the dance floor that used to be installed over the top of it sometimes was disposed of / reused some years ago.

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« Reply #315 on: November 23, 2021, 10:32:51 AM »
So we missed out on the Government's Levelling Up Fund. Come on...  are there no Tory supporting local construction company owners who can shell out a nice backhander to their MP?  Alternatively can we incorporate a small Peppa Pig attraction?

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« Reply #314 on: November 23, 2021, 09:58:53 AM »
Well that inspires...  I'm going for a new pool opening in 2027.
Some of us may see it . :D

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« Reply #313 on: November 23, 2021, 09:54:30 AM »
Based on current performance, I think I'd almost take that.  :'(
  so anyone no whats Hapening to the old Baths that are now starting to look tatty on stockport road

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« Reply #312 on: November 22, 2021, 01:36:12 PM »
Well that inspires...  I'm going for a new pool opening in 2027.

Based on current performance, I think I'd almost take that.  :'(
Words are trains for passing through what really has no name...

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« Reply #311 on: November 22, 2021, 01:21:18 PM »
Well that inspires...  I'm going for a new pool opening in 2027.

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« Reply #310 on: November 22, 2021, 12:14:42 PM »
A new public statement has been made by Stockport Council on the Marple Community Hub scheme this morning:

https://www.stockport.gov.uk/news/marple-leisure-and-community-hub-update-november-2021

For ease, and for the record, this is posted below too:

Marple Leisure and Community Hub Update, November 2021

Following two phases of public engagement and ongoing discussion with local stakeholders, the Council is developing final proposals for a leisure and community hub in Marple.

We have been amending the original preferred scheme to address some of the specific concerns raised by local residents and stakeholders through the engagement process, including:
  • Access and parking
  • Proximity to neighbouring residential properties
  • Protection of woodland in the park
  • Preference of Marple Senior Citizens Association and 1st Marple Scouts to remain in their current accommodation.
We have explored a number of alternative locations within Marple Memorial Park, which were suggested through the engagement process, but our preferred location remains the site of the current library, with the scheme re-orientated to distance it from residential properties and protect the woodland to the rear of the library.

Alongside this, we have continued to evaluate options for funding a new facility. The Council was given the opportunity to apply for the Government’s Levelling Up Fund and submitted a scheme for Marple Leisure and Community Hub based on the preferred option identified through public engagement, with an expanded health offer. The bid was submitted in June and we were informed in late October that our application had been unsuccessful.

In parallel with submitting the Levelling Up Fund bid, the Council has continued to develop a core scheme focusing on pool, leisure and library offer. We will seek to accommodate other services in the scheme if achievable, but our priority is to seek to provide replacement leisure and library facilities for Marple as quickly as possible.

We acknowledge that this project has taken longer than we would have liked, due the complexities of the preferred site and the aspiration to co-locate a range of community and health facilities within a single scheme. We thank local residents for their patience whilst we develop a final scheme which is affordable and addresses the concerns expressed through the engagement process.

We will bring forward updated proposals for public engagement as soon as possible in 2022 and issue a further update in January 2022.

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« Reply #309 on: October 30, 2021, 05:42:58 PM »
At this rate we could have just put a stainless liner in the original pool and atleast had a usable asset that could earn it's keep until they actually decide on what's happening.

Even Dumfries put a temporary one in the carpark whilst there's was rebuilt.