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simonesaffron:
--- Quote from: Victor M on June 01, 2013, 10:50:28 AM ---The point I am making is that SMBC didn't run round trying to find some way of stopping the Hibbert lane development once they had been approached by CAMSFC Consultant's, they already had plans, on the back burner, to develop Chadwick St. They (SMBC) warned CAMSFC representatives this at their first meeting, this idea that the Chadwick St. development is just a spoiling tactic is wrong. If this was not the case ASDA would have appealed against the decision, there are not many instances where ASDA don't go to appeal, this shows the professionalism of SMBC's planning dept.
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Of course they "run round" their intention was to stop the Hibbert Lane, Supermarket. The Trinity Street site was rushed through all processes; Area Committee, Executive, Marketing, Planning. What often takes years was executed in months. Their was a multiplicity of uses that the Trinity St site could have been used for in SMBC'S development plan. If my recall is correct they varied from housing to a nightclub casino. There was a lot of bidding interest in the Trinity Street site and they weren't all proposing Supermarkets. Do you think that it was just a coincidence that SMBC decided to award to a developer who allegedly is building a supermarket, a Supermarket virtually the same size as the Hibbert Lane Asda and at exactly the same time ?
If they wanted a Supermarket on that site why didn't they build one years ago.
Are you actually saying that if ASDA hadn't appeared on Hibbert Lane that there would have been a Supermarket on Trinity Street anyway ?
If you are then I have to disagree.
Victor M:
--- Quote ---I am not sure of the point that you try to make.
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The point I am making is that SMBC didn't run round trying to find some way of stopping the Hibbert lane development once they had been approached by CAMSFC Consultant's, they already had plans, on the back burner, to develop Chadwick St. They (SMBC) warned CAMSFC representatives this at their first meeting, this idea that the Chadwick St. development is just a spoiling tactic is wrong. If this was not the case ASDA would have appealed against the decision, there are not many instances where ASDA don't go to appeal, this shows the professionalism of SMBC's planning dept.
simonesaffron:
--- Quote from: Victor M on May 31, 2013, 04:28:40 PM ---One of the first pieces of info that was obtained by a Freedom of Information request was an mail from SMBC to CAMSFC's consultants which stated that land was available (Chadwick St) for a new Supermarket. The plan to develop Chadwick St. had been around for a lot longer than people think and certainly before ASDA was interested in the Hibbert Lane Site.
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Victor, We've had this conversation before more than once.
Being available is one thing, there is land all over Stockport that is "available" and has been "available" for years what matters is if and when that availability is processed and the "process" for "Trinity Street" was only kicked in when the CAMSF/SUPERMARKET scheme introduced itself. Before that there was a declaration with no intent on the part of the council.
I am not sure of the point that you try to make. All I am saying is that ASDA are leaving town because of the planning application for Trinity Street.
NeilCorrie:
--- Quote from: Victor M on May 31, 2013, 04:28:40 PM ---One of the first pieces of info that was obtained by a Freedom of Information request was an mail from SMBC to CAMSFC's consultants which stated that land was available (Chadwick St) for a new Supermarket. The plan to develop Chadwick St. had been around for a lot longer than people think and certainly before ASDA was interested in the Hibbert Lane Site.
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Yes. Full text of the 08-Jul-2011 email is at http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=4617.msg26502.
"Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, we cannot agree that the Chadwick St car park site is not a “sequentially preferable” site. Basically, local and national policy says that sites for development should be in the most sustainable locations and therefore there is always a sequencing to the release of sites. Whilst we acknowledge that the Chadwick St site is less commercially attractive, we remain of the view that it is deliverable and therefore sequentially available. This undermines the Hibbert Lane site very significantly indeed."
Victor M:
--- Quote ---It has been said many times before but there is absolutely no doubt that Trinity Street was a scheme devised by local Councillors with one purpose in mind and that was to prevent ASDA/CAMSFC gaining planning permission for Hibbert Lane.
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One of the first pieces of info that was obtained by a Freedom of Information request was an mail from SMBC to CAMSFC's consultants which stated that land was available (Chadwick St) for a new Supermarket. The plan to develop Chadwick St. had been around for a lot longer than people think and certainly before ASDA was interested in the Hibbert Lane Site.
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