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Title: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: admin on January 24, 2022, 06:53:56 AM
Nearly missed it again due to ongoing personal distractions!

The agenda for the Marple Area Committee Meeting on Wednesday 26 January has been published.

The meeting starts at 6pm in the Town Hall Council Chamber.

Capability Fund – Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements

Agenda item 8 covers two significant options being proposed for further development that aim to amend Marple's Town Centre roads to accommodate improved cycling access. This is the long-awaited Atkins Report, which is two years late. One option includes a one way "gyratory" involving Stockport Road, Station Road and Hollins Lane, the other closing Church Lane at the Stockport Road junction but making it a two way road with access from Hibbert Lane (if I've understood it right).

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The Local Walk-Ride Marple Group have been excluded from discussions with the council about these proposals and think there are significant issues that need to be clarified before it makes sense for options in the report to be developed. They have asked councillors to defer it until their questions have been answered.

This is the introduction to the agenda item:

The report provides a summary of two separate options for proposals to improve cycling and walking in Marple District Centre as part of the Capability Fund. The proposals aim to provide improved infrastructure and connectivity for cycling and walking with the minimum of detriment to traffic operation in Marple. Some early-stage design work has been undertaken to check that the proposals presented in this report are feasible, however no consultation has been undertaken.

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The Area Committee is requested to consider the contents of the report and recommend that the Cabinet Member (Economy & Regeneration) approves the development of one or both of the different approaches (Options 1 and 2) and subsequent consultation for the proposals.

Here are some direct links to the documents:

Capability Fund – Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements (https://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/documents/s198909/Capability%20Fund%20Marple%20District%20Centre%20Walking%20and%20Cycling%20Improvements.pdf) PDF 341 KB

Additional documents:
The press and public are able to follow the proceedings by watching the live webcast of the meeting.

Watch LIVE via this link, or afterwards on catch-up: https://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?MId=27506&EVT=101&DT=A (https://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?MId=27506&EVT=101&DT=A)

Note that the Web Casts are embedded in the meeting agendas.

There's a page about Marple AC that tries to explain in simple terms what they do and how you can get involved here:

http://www.marple.website/marple-area-committee.html (http://www.marple.website/marple-area-committee.html)

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The page includes a map of the Marple Wards so you can see exactly where the boundaries of Marple North and Marple South and High Lane are. It also features a live feed from the Stockport Council web site at the bottom that shows links to the latest agendas issued, meetings held etc.

There is also a shortcut link to the Marple Area Committee page on the council site: www.stockport.gov.uk/mac (http://www.stockport.gov.uk/mac)
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: Howard on January 24, 2022, 08:42:15 AM
I'll just get my popcorn...
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: jimblob on January 24, 2022, 09:07:37 AM
I'll just get my popcorn...
not sure about popcorn, more like a cilice...

please keep Stockport Hghways team's "designers" away from Marple, haven't they done enough already!
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: GM on January 24, 2022, 10:10:19 AM
Them trying to justify and explain the scheme might be more like watching paint dry, unless it's the common term for painting a wall with lime ?.

I can't actually fathom what they are trying to achieve, even the widening the footpath in the park seems a bit over the top for a small village such as Marple.

Even then they don't seem to have factored in the possible leisure centre move to the park and the necessary traffic to make it viable.
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: Condate on January 24, 2022, 11:12:11 AM
not sure about popcorn, more like a cilice...

please keep Stockport Hghways team's "designers" away from Marple, haven't they done enough already!

Indeed so.
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: Deniseredmini on January 24, 2022, 01:46:57 PM
So anyone who lives, say, on Winnington Road who wants to get to Stockport will be 'encouraged' to use all the back roads to get to Stockport Road.  Makes perfect sense...
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: jimblob on January 24, 2022, 01:50:06 PM
So anyone who lives, say, on Winnington Road who wants to get to Stockport will be 'encouraged' to use all the back roads to get to Stockport Road.  Makes perfect sense...
and then they can smother all those roads with speed humps when the residents kick off because motorists are using the roads as rat-runs. Never seen anything in the highways regulations or highway code describing what constitues a rat-run, but is seems to be used all to often as a reason to trash public highways with speed humps.
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: GM on January 24, 2022, 02:05:30 PM
Maybe Stockport are colluding with the greater Manchester Clean air zone, trying to get everyone out if there cars and into 4x4's to make life atleast bearable with all the humps they want ?
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: jimblob on January 24, 2022, 03:13:05 PM
Maybe Stockport are colluding with the greater Manchester Clean air zone, trying to get everyone out if there cars and into 4x4's to make life atleast bearable with all the humps they want ?
I only wish there was collusion or a plan @GM ... sadly I think it's just a ship of fools
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: GM on January 24, 2022, 03:21:38 PM
Yeah, probably giving them far too much credit.
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: wheels on January 24, 2022, 05:18:59 PM
Looks excellent.  At least as a starter.
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: BacardiMan on January 24, 2022, 07:46:46 PM
am i looking at the proposal incorrectly, or if i live near the Ring o Bells, to go towards the Strines i have to turn left onto Stockport Road, then a right, then another right, passed Asda, then a left
If i am correct, then can i ask what qualifications do these people have to think up such stupid proposals.
Why not go the whole hog, ban the car and turn the clock back 100 years...
Or, may be i am just misreading the map....
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: GM on January 24, 2022, 08:04:59 PM
Well Rothers, if Wheels previous responses are anything to go by a 100 years might not be enough.
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: Dave on January 25, 2022, 12:57:53 PM
I can't actually fathom what they are trying to achieve

It's all in the 88-page Atkins Report, GM, but it takes some reading, and I don't envy our hard-working councillors having to digest it in time for tomorrow's meeting......   ::)

To save you ploughing through it, GM, here's the answer to your question (p7): 'This purpose of this study is to develop options which meet the defined objectives for Marple Town Centre and provide the desired outcomes which will be determined as part of this study.'   

And here are the specific objectives:   

1 Improve linkages between the various zones of the town centre, taking into account the perceived barrier effect of Stockport Road and Hibbert Lane, and the potential enhancement of existing walkways and alleys.

2 Identify opportunities to reduce car dominance and promotes safe and attractive cycling and walking including links to the canal towpath and the wider cycling and walking networks.

3 Support the potential for enhanced provision for public transport and the better integration of public transport with other modes.

4 Ensure that shopping areas, community and amenity areas are easily accessible to all, including the linkages between them.

5 Ensure travel is, and feels, safe and secure for users of all modes.

6 Protect and enhance the natural and built environment, including improving air quality.

7 Add value to local economy and community including health and wellbeing of residents and visitors.

8 Estimated cost to deliver. Four cost brackets: Up to £50k, £50-250k, £250-500k, Over £500k.

9 Deliverability - considering the ease or difficulty of delivering the measure considering issues such as multi-agency delivery partners, technical complexity, land acquisition,  etc.   7 Point Scale  -3 to +3

10 Acceptability - considering if the option is likely to be resisted or welcomed by elected members, stakeholders, or the general public.  7 Point Scale  -3 to +3

11 Alignment with local plans and policies. 7 Point Scale  -3 to +3


On the subject of 'local plans and policies, I noticed in the report a reference to : 'a long-term plan to provide tram-train services to Marple to boost public transport connectivity, and the provision of two new major road schemes (A6 to M60 Relief Road and High Lane-Disley Relief Road), which may draw car trips away from the road network around Marple Town Centre'. but if I remember correctly the A6 to M60 relief road scheme, sadly, is dead in the water. Which reminds us that this overdue report is already out of date!

It will be interesting to find out what the area committee makes of it all tomorrow. Personally I'm reserving judgment until I've read the report again, but my initial reactions is that option 2 has quite a bit going for it. I like the 'shared area' idea for Market Street and Derby Way, assuming that it will be something like Park Lane in Poynton?   In fact, I'd go further and extend it across Stockport Road outside the Hollins, creating a continuous semi-pedestrianised 'shared area' from the Memorial Park though to Church Lane, via Market Street.

As for option 1, that one way 'gyratory' of Station Road, Hollins Lane and Stockport Road is surely bonkers!

Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: jimblob on January 25, 2022, 01:53:20 PM
It's all in the 88-page Atkins Report, GM, but it takes some reading, and I don't envy our hard-working councillors having to digest it in time for tomorrow's meeting......   ::)

To save you ploughing through it, GM, here's the answer to your question (p7): 'This purpose of this study is to develop options which meet the defined objectives for Marple Town Centre and provide the desired outcomes which will be determined as part of this study.'   

And here are the specific objectives:   


7 Add value to local economy and community including health and wellbeing of residents and visitors.

11 Alignment with local plans and policies. 7 Point Scale  -3 to +3


On the subject of 'local plans and policies, the A6 to M60 relief road scheme, sadly, is dead in the water. Which reminds us that this overdue report is already out of date!


A great summary @Dave and as you quite rightly point out, the plan is already out of date (ref also the plans for a swimmng pool in Memorial Park missing too). All of this is great but for me the standout requirement amongst all the "nice to haves" is number 7. Adding value to the local economy. That only works (as is the case with Poynton), where there is a bypass to remove through traffic but a road system that encourages traffic, visitors and therefore money in! these schemes make Marple a bottleneck (option 2 less so) that will drive away anyone other than those who have no choice other than to have to travel through... HGVs, and folks trying to get somewhere else.
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: admin on January 25, 2022, 02:39:22 PM
It's all in the 88-page Atkins Report, GM, but it takes some reading, and I don't envy our hard-working councillors having to digest it in time for tomorrow's meeting......   ::)
Good to have a well considered and informative post @Dave

The WalkRide Marple Group has given me permission to post their comments on this as follows:

WalkRide Marple - comments on Marple Transport Study briefing

WalkRide Marple is a group of local people covering in wider Marple area including Marple Bridge, High Lane, Compstall, Mellor and other communities formed in 2019 to promote the health, environment and economic benefits of walking and riding in all its forms including scooters, cycling and horse riding. We are non-party political.

We were pleased to be briefed on the Marple Transport Study in November 2021. We appreciate the amount of effort that has gone into the study. We have comments on the specific options, but first would like to raise some points of principle. We must be clear on the issues, aims and objectives before choosing how to solve them.

We still have not been allowed to see the Mini Holland grant application for Marple to know what area wide mitigation is proposed that would impact the design of the Marple centre scheme.

General principles Firstly, the study has been carried out with too general objectives and has then tried to fit in all the traffic plus assumed ‘required’ features (such as two-way cycle lane on Stockport Road), rather than an analyse the function of various roads, followed by a placemaking exercise to make sure the public realm created meets those needs (including of course the need for servicing, the need for people to move in vehicles, and to park). As a result, the options are heavily engineered (and expensive) and fail to provide the placemaking required to make Marple a good place for people, or for business. Methodology and results are significantly inferior to comparable schemes in Greater London.

Secondly, we are not convinced that a two-way cycle lane on Stockport Road is needed, desirable or feasible for a range of reasons: We do not think a gyratory could create decent conditions for people or business in Marple - we do not know of, and so far no-one has suggested a single example in the UK where this had been achieved. We would like to keep an open mind, but think it is unlikely it could work.

Thirdly, the active/low traffic neighbourhood elements of any scheme - essentially reducing through-traffic on residential streets including Church Lane and Cross Lane using modal filters - needs to be a high priority and not forgotten amongst the other discussions. Ensuring cars stick to the main roads is essential in the age of Google Maps which routes vehicles along side streets. There is also more that can be done on this in the 'do-minimum' in the short term.

Fourthly, we think that more consideration needs to be given to people with various mobility difficulties. Creation of an inevitably fast moving gyratory, plus a large amount of extra engineering may make it much more difficult overall for people not in cars to move around.

Fifthly, it is hard to comment in detail until we have sight of the report (and the Mini-Holland bid) – we do not wish to comment on detailed layouts until we get the fundamentals right.
Sixthly, the proposals do not appear to take account of the new Pool/Library and the need for sustainable access.

Lastly, the proposals are engineering-led and permanent. For instance, we think there is an opportunity for off -peak or weekend access restrictions to the town centre section of Stockport Road. This could create an attractive place for walking, cycling, accessing public transport and people socialising, without creating peak hour congestion. It could be done on a trial basis and adjusted as needed. The Council only seems to think in terms of expensive, engineering.

 Initial general queries Detailed comments We do not want to make detailed comments until we can see the main report, however one point we wish to make is that the MACAWs option just feels like an over-engineered extension of the do-minimum option - just a few buildouts and crossings, which won’t be enough to tempt people out of their cars. It doesn't do anything for the significant issues on Church Lane. And it proposes some odd new signalised junctions that may not be justified.

We think the next stage of the study needs to be much more about place-making, urban realm, and pedestrian improvements (probably revisiting the PJA proposals). If a good cycle network can be mapped out that doesn’t involve/require protected cycle lanes on the main road, but perhaps uses a filtered Church Lane for example and good crossings over a street scape/urban realm/pedestrian scheme on the town centre corridors, then this may emerge as the strongest option.

 
End of note.
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Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: admin on January 25, 2022, 02:48:30 PM
And this is the email that WalkRide sent to Marple Councillors on Sunday 23 January, again reproduced with permission:

Email WalkRide Marple to Marple Councillors 23 January 2022

Good evening. The Marple Transport Study is due to be discussed at Marple Area Committee on Wednesday. I think it is unlikely WalkRide Marple will be able to attend, partly because the meeting is in Stockport rather than Marple – but I hope you will be able to take our views into account in your decision.
 
We received a briefing about the much-delayed consultant-officer report (which we, along with the Neighbourhood Forum were excluded from participating in) in late in 2021 and emailed our thoughts to you on 10 January. We still think there are significant issues that need to be clarified before it makes sense for options in the report to be developed. These include that we:
In particular, at the briefing we asked if officers knew of any gyratory scheme anywhere in the UK that had made conditions acceptable for either pedestrians or cyclists. The fact that officers did not respond suggests that actually, a gyratory as well as increasing the distance traffic travels in the centre of Marple (including pollution, climate change gas emissions and congestion), and encouraging rat-running outside the centre (such as Cross Lane/Buxton Lane) is incompatible with making the centre of Marple a place that people want to shop, live or work in.
 
We would therefore ask that Councillors defer the report (it is two years late anyway, so a couple of months will make little difference) so that officers have time to respond to our questions and any others that are raised by yourselves or at the meeting. We would like to work constructively with the Council, but so far we have not been given the chance.
 
Many thanks for listening to us.

WalkRide Marple
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: Condate on January 25, 2022, 03:17:49 PM
It's all in the 88-page Atkins Report, GM, but it takes some reading, and I don't envy our hard-working councillors having to digest it in time for tomorrow's meeting......   ::)

Oh dear! How do people come up with this stuff?

Marple is already a very pedestrian friendly place and has been for years. I doesn't need any changes (apart from removing the supposed traffic calming measure of last year). It certainly doesn't need the anti-car nonsense, unless of course the idea is to destroy Marple and turn it into an economic desert.

Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: jimblob on January 25, 2022, 03:26:28 PM
Oh dear! How do people come up with this stuff?

Marple is already a very pedestrian friendly place and has been for years. I doesn't need any changes (apart from removing the supposed traffic calming measure of last year). It certainly doesn't need the anti-car nonsense, unless of course the idea is to destroy Marple and turn it into an economic desert.
with you 100% @Condate
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: andrewbowden on January 25, 2022, 07:15:55 PM
It's interesting that most of the talk has focused on the gyratory and the crazy one way systems.  Which I am sure would be much loved by the residents of Church Lane...

Haven't seen much thought on Option 2 which seems calmer, and more sensible to me.

And it reminds me of the old adage of how you present options for consideration.  It's often done by officials and others.  I have done it myself.

You have to provide multiple options.   One is the one you really want people to select.  How do you ensure this?  Well make sure the other option(s) are something no one in their right mind would ever choose.
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: andrewbowden on January 25, 2022, 07:35:21 PM
I will caveat the below by saying all I have really some is look at the two maps and haven't read the full document. 
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: GM on January 26, 2022, 08:27:07 AM
Or have a little backbone as a locally elected official and say none of these options are suitable and reject the proposal to waste money.
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: admin on January 26, 2022, 09:11:41 AM
Watch Live tonight from 6pm

As many will have learned since the post on Monday 24th, tonight at Marple Area Committee Meeting Marple's six Local Councillors will considered two schemes that have been proposed by council officers in a report entitled "Capability Fund – Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements". They are being asked to consider the contents of the report and recommend that the Cabinet Member (Economy & Regeneration) approves the development of one or both of the different approaches (Options 1 and 2) and subsequent consultation for the proposals.

You can watch councillors discuss this live tonight from 6pm (item 8 on the agenda) via this direct link:

https://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?MId=27506&EVT=101&DT=A (https://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?MId=27506&EVT=101&DT=A)

Here are some direct links to the documents:

Capability Fund – Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements (https://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/documents/s198909/Capability%20Fund%20Marple%20District%20Centre%20Walking%20and%20Cycling%20Improvements.pdf) PDF 341 KB

Additional documents:

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Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: jimblob on January 26, 2022, 09:29:36 AM
Watch Live tonight from 6pm
 They are being asked to consider the contents of the report and recommend that the Cabinet Member (Economy & Regeneration) approves the development of one or both of the different approaches
Let's hope they have the courage to dismiss both; the proposals are fixing a problem that doesn't exist and are now out of date. They don't include the proposals for a new swimming pool in memorial Park, nor do they take into account recent changes to the highway code (ridiculous as they are) which give higher priorities to pedestrians and cyclists over motor vehicles. Why build cycle lanes when now, cyclists are not obliged to use them and can ride two-a-breast on a road.
This is yet another example of wasting money and Stockport Highways Team and The Council interfering.
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: admin on January 26, 2022, 09:51:33 AM
Let's hope they have the courage to dismiss both; the proposals are fixing a problem that doesn't exist and are now out of date. They don't include the proposals for a new swimming pool in memorial Park, nor do they take into account recent changes to the highway code (ridiculous as they are) which give higher priorities to pedestrians and cyclists over motor vehicles. Why build cycle lanes when now, cyclists are not obliged to use them and can ride two-a-breast on a road.
This is yet another example of wasting money and Stockport Highways Team and The Council interfering.

Personally I think the option (2) to close Church Lane to through traffic could have some merit so long as they can do it in such a way to accommodate residents access and parking. There has long been a problem with HGVs going up Church Lane and it would put a stop to that. I'm not convinced the road is wide enough to do this but it could be worth looking at in more detail then consulting properly. if I were a local councillor that's what I'd be keen to understand but I agree with Dave that the gyratory idea is bonkers.

Edit: What I'd also like to see is for councillors to insist that officers work closely with WalkRide Marple to develop any such scheme as they are the ones with the local knowledge and expertise and are prepared to put in the effort to make their community better.
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: Howard on January 26, 2022, 10:32:56 AM
Personally I think the option (2) to close Church Lane to through traffic could have some merit so long as they can do it in such a way to accommodate residents access and parking. There has long been a problem with HGVs going up Church Lane and it would put a stop to that. I'm not convinced the road is wide enough to do this but it could be worth looking at in more detail then consulting properly. if I were a local councillor that's what I'd be keen to understand but I agree with Dave that the gyratory idea is bonkers.

Edit: What I'd also like to see is for councillors to insist that officers work closely with WalkRide Marple to develop any such scheme as they are the ones with the local knowledge and expertise and are prepared to put in the effort to make their community better.

I'm with you on Church Lane, Mark. Large vehicles going up that road are a menace. In fact, there are many cars that go up there WAY to fast for the width of the street. I'd like to see it as "access only" somehow. They'd have to look at improving the Stockport Road/Hibbert Lane junction somehow otherwise traffic heading to south Marple would just go via Cross Lane and Buxton Lane and that's not ideal either.
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: tonyjones on January 26, 2022, 10:52:29 AM
Closing Church Lane at the Station Road junction does make some sense but as to the rest of the proposal !
Making the roads one way will push all the west bound traffic through the centre of Marple and all the east bound traffic up Station Road including all the BIG lorries that head towards New Mills in contravention of the 7.5ton weight limit !
I admit that I have not read the 'new' highway code but am confused about Tiger, Zebra, Puffin, and Toucan crossings, and what is the difference between a roundabout and a 'Cyclops' style junction?
I have lived in Marple for over 50 years and never knew we had a High Street !
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: Condate on January 26, 2022, 11:11:59 AM
Really what we are looking at here are completely unnecessary changes to solve non-existent problems.  If this is what our councillors think is important, then we need to get rid of them and find others who can concentrate on other things. However, the councillors have an opportunity to show that they know what is good for Marple by rejecting all these proposals. By doing so, they would show they really care about Marple and its people.

Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: andrewbowden on January 26, 2022, 11:26:14 AM
Personally I think the option (2) to close Church Lane to through traffic could have some merit so long as they can do it in such a way to accommodate residents access and parking. There has long been a problem with HGVs going up Church Lane and it would put a stop to that. I'm not convinced the road is wide enough to do this but it could be worth looking at in more detail then consulting properly. if I were a local councillor that's what I'd be keen to understand but I agree with Dave that the gyratory idea is bonkers.

I walk down Church Lane a lot and it's horrible due to the traffic.  And it's mostly through traffic on there, so closing it off would probably work okay for locals using it to get to their houses in a two-way scenario.  There's enough side roads for people to access it.  May need a couple of passing places but it could work.

Some may claim changes to Church Lane are unnecessary.  But it's being used as a cut through.
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: jimblob on January 26, 2022, 11:58:28 AM
option2 seems to pander to Puffins, Tigers and Zebras, making it easier for them to cross... what about the poor Toucans?
People with One eye will also be safer with the proposed Cyclops junctions!
 ::)
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: GM on January 26, 2022, 12:28:34 PM
Jimblob, your forgetting that atleast the Toucan can fly away to a place that needs all this money squandering 🙂
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: Deniseredmini on January 26, 2022, 02:10:45 PM
It would help to reduce traffic going up Church Lane if the petrol station traffic was allowed out of the entrance on Stockport Road rather than having to exit and turn right onto Church Lane. 
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: andrewbowden on January 26, 2022, 02:20:55 PM
I admit that I have not read the 'new' highway code but am confused about Tiger, Zebra, Puffin, and Toucan crossings, and what is the difference between a roundabout and a 'Cyclops' style junction?

Zebra crossing is your standard crossing with flashing yellow lights, for pedestrians.
If I have this right, a Tiger crossing is a zebra but cyclists can use it too.  They're relatively new I think.  Certainly not common.  The stripes used to be yellow.

Puffin crossing is a light operated crossing where the red and green man lights are on the same side of the road as you.  The crossing on Stockport Road/Hollins Lane is a Puffin crossing.  They usually have sensors too to detect what pedestrians are doing.  They're generally believed to be better than the older Pelican crossing as the lights are placed to your right so you are focusing your attention in the direction of traffic rather than the older style Pelicans where your focus is on the red/green across the road.  Apparently it's not possible to install new pelicans anymore - they have to be Puffins instead.

Toucan crossing is a Puffin/Pelican but with bike option as well.

For good measure there's a Peagasus crossing here it's pedestrians/horses.

Cyclops crossings are very rare and very new, but they're growing and they're going to become a lot more common.  IThey focus on the safe crossing of pedestrians and cyclists at busy junctions, with safe routes around them for both.  They're designed to avoid accidents and cyclists can turn right on a separate dedicated lane if they wish.

More information here about Greater Manchester's first Cyclops junction is in this: https://news.tfgm.com/news/manchester-opens-uks-first-cyclops-junction
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: Steve Gribbon on January 27, 2022, 09:35:01 AM
Good morning.

Many thanks to so many who have been in touch and commented on the recently published cycle/walk proposals that have been presented by SMBC. At our Marple Area Committee last night your local councillors agreed to return this to planning officers.

We have advised officers that before anything happens it is only right that residents have their say and this has been accepted so a public consultation will take place and allow all who want to be involved can do so. As chair of the meeting I have requested a 3 Month time period from the date of the consultation and as soon as this become available we will update on how to get involved.

Kind regards

Steve

On behalf of all councillors for Marple North and Marple South & High Lane
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: Steve Gribbon on January 27, 2022, 09:41:30 AM
My apologies, I forgot to add that during the meeting we have requested that the speed bumps on Stockport Road and nearby roads with similar temporary bumps be removed at the earliest opportunity and this has been accepted. All being well these will be gone within the next 14-21 days and the 20 mph will stay with additional signage/guidance. This has been accepted by the  highways planning department following an agenda item on the subject last night.

Steve
Title: Re: Marple District Centre Walking and Cycling Improvements
Post by: CTCREP on January 31, 2022, 04:28:17 PM
Will the Council make all shopping areas Pedestrian Priority?