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Archive => Archived Boards => Local Issues => Topic started by: admin on April 24, 2020, 04:13:50 PM
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The following message is copied from a FB post made by Cllr @Steve Gribbon :
Household Waste and Recycling Centres (HWRCs) reopening:
You will be aware that the Greater Manchester Combined Authority (GMCA) has said it intends or reopen some of its household waste and recycling centres (HWRCs) within the next two weeks.
The actual date of reopening is subject to traffic arrangements being finalised across GM, so that all GM sites can reopen on the same date. We will let you know as soon as this date is agreed.
We will open the Adswood HWRC for 7 days a week from 8am to 6pm. [dates to be announced, see below]
The Bredbury HWRC will be open on Saturday and Sunday from 8am to 6pm. [dates to be announced, see below]
Rose Hill in Marple will remain closed.
We are not opening the HWRC in Bredbury during the week in order to ensure that SMBC refuse collection vehicles can freely operate and avoid any interruptions to our bin service that queuing vehicles would cause. Rose Hill in Marple will remain closed because there is very limited space for queuing traffic. To increase the rate at which cars pass through the tips, there will be limited waste streams and we will only be accepting bags of general waste. Residents will be asked to keep other waste (including garden waste) at home for the time being. Tipping arrangements have been designed so that residents can access the bays to dispose of their waste quickly and without having to pass others.
It should be noted that the HWRCs will not be working to full capacity because of the need to make sure that they are as safe as possible, and as they will be operating with reduced staff numbers. We will be following government advice on social distancing and as such limiting the number of vehicles allowed in at any time.
This post has been made by Stockport Council themselves on FB (as far as I can see it is generally compatible with the above but doesn't contain as much detail):
Stockport’s Household Waste Recycling Centres remain closed this weekend (25-26 April).
We are working on plans to reopen two centres soon and a further update will follow next week when Greater Manchester Combined Authority who are responsible for the centres, have confirmed the opening date.
Any information from other sources that gives the impression they will be opening this weekend is incorrect.
The council's web site itself is not up-to-date at the time of posting: https://www.stockport.gov.uk/tips-and-recycling-centres (https://www.stockport.gov.uk/tips-and-recycling-centres)
And the GM site doesn't give much away either: GM Rose Hill Tip details (https://recycleforgreatermanchester.com/recycle-centre/rose-hill-recycling-centre/?selected_vehicle_type=under2)
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Good news for some - but not for us, sadly. Although the fact that they are only accepting bagged up general waste (i.e. no garden waste, even though there are no green bin collections) makes it of limited use anyway.
And surely this.....
Rose Hill in Marple will remain closed because there is very limited space for queuing traffic.
..... is a feeble excuse! If Railway Road really isn't long enough, then there is the loop by Pearson's coal depot, and the empty station car park. Plenty of space for a depressingly long queue! ::)
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Good news for some - but not for us, sadly. Although the fact that they are only accepting bagged up general waste (i.e. no garden waste, even though there are no green bin collections) makes it of limited use anyway.
And surely this.....
..... is a feeble excuse! If Railway Road really isn't long enough, then there is the loop by Pearson's coal depot, and the empty station car park. Plenty of space for a depressingly long queue! ::)
COMPOST if you have a garden you can compost . buy a compost bin .
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COMPOST if you have a garden you can compost . buy a compost bin .
It's certainly not about green waste for me, that's sorted now as far as I'm concerned.
However, I have a big DIY project to empty and take down a garage and a shed then rebuild them. I was planning to start it at the beginning of lock-down then they closed the tips. I then got my hopes up again recently when they said they were talking about reopening them. And now they've been dashed again if Rose Hill is not going to be opened.
Personally I agree with Dave that is shouldn't be a big problem with queues at Rose Hill (except perhaps when they first reopen).
It is really frustrating when you're locked down at home, you've got a great project you could be getting on with and you can't because of something like this. But hey ho, it's not life and death and we'll survive :)
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It's certainly not about green waste for me, that's sorted now as far as I'm concerned.
However, I have a big DIY project to empty and take down a garage and a shed then rebuild them. I was planning to start it at the beginning of lock-down then they closed the tips. I then got my hopes up again recently when they said they were talking about reopening them. And now they've been dashed again if Rose Hill is not going to be opened.
Personally I agree with Dave that is shouldn't be a big problem with queues at Rose Hill (except perhaps when they first reopen).
It is really frustrating when you're locked down at home, you've got a great project you could be getting on with and you can't because of something like this. But hey ho, it's not life and death and we'll survive :)
Mark, just do as my daughter did recently for a similar project. Hire a skip. They are still operating.
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Mark, just do as my daughter did recently for a similar project. Hire a skip. They are still operating.
Yep. My in-laws are busy filling one up at the moment!
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I would have thought what they mean by lack of space and queueing was really about how tight it is in the area of the shoe and fabric bin once you enter the site.. There certainly isn't space to socially distance in that area and might cause problems . Equally I suppose they could always close that area.
I am a little surprised at how exercised by it being closed people are. I think I probably go about three times a year. How much stuff do people have that needs taking that folks need to go so regularly.
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I would have thought what they mean by lack of space and queueing was really about how tight it is in the area of the shoe and fabric bin once you enter the site.. There certainly isn't space to socially distance in that area and might cause problems . Equally I suppose they could always close that area.
I am a little surprised at how exercised by it being closed people are. I think I probably go about three times a year. How much stuff do people have that needs taking that folks need to go so regularly.
What did we do before recycle centres ,
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What did we do before recycle centres ,
We went to the tip where it all went to landfill!
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I would have thought what they mean by lack of space and queueing was really about how tight it is in the area of the shoe and fabric bin once you enter the site.. There certainly isn't space to socially distance in that area and might cause problems . Equally I suppose they could always close that area.
As far as I know the area around the shoe and fabric bins and the places for electronic devices would be closed anyway - they are only planning to accept bagged up general waste. So social distancing should be easy - you drive up to the main dropping-off area, throw your bags over into the designated container, and off you go.
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Good news for some - but not for us, sadly. Although the fact that they are only accepting bagged up general waste (i.e. no garden waste, even though there are no green bin collections) makes it of limited use anyway.
And surely this.....
..... is a feeble excuse! If Railway Road really isn't long enough, then there is the loop by Pearson's coal depot, and the empty station car park. Plenty of space for a depressingly long queue! ::)
Totally agree with this decision. Live near to Rose Hill recycling centre and the traffic/noise/risk/container pick-ups is a constant. It's quite simply not a suitable location for a recycling centre with so many visitors.
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Totally agree with this decision. Live near to Rose Hill recycling centre and the traffic/noise/risk/container pick-ups is a constant. It's quite simply not a suitable location for a recycling centre with so many visitors.
OK but that’s an entirely different matter - Rose Hill tip will certainly reopen in due course. If people who happen to live near it feel that it should be permanently relocated to somewhere else then that’s understandable, but it has nothing to do with the Corona virus. And presumably the tip was already there when they chose to live nearby?
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OK but that’s an entirely different matter - Rose Hill tip will certainly reopen in due course. If people who happen to live near it feel that it should be permanently relocated to somewhere else then that’s understandable, but it has nothing to do with the Corona virus. And presumably the tip was already there when they chose to live nearby?
Dave, why deny someone a good moan.
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OK but that’s an entirely different matter - Rose Hill tip will certainly reopen in due course. If people who happen to live near it feel that it should be permanently relocated to somewhere else then that’s understandable, but it has nothing to do with the Corona virus. And presumably the tip was already there when they chose to live nearby?
Yes the tip got there first, but the terms of the environmental assessment/noise survey used to get the planning application back in 2007/2008 are now no longer being adhered to. The estimated number of visitors is far in excess of that originally predicted both from a noise and a trafic perspective and the noise levels (surveyed recently in 2019) are actually far in excess of those estimated in the original noise impact assessment and therefore in breach of the terms of the planning application. The noise mitigation also failed miserbaly as it was only added to three of the four sides of the site. Those mitigation measures (bund walls), atually serve to act as trumpet and project the noise northwards along Railway Road. Add to that the number of HGVs emtpying the containers (including the one that nearly drove me off Railway Road a few months ago) and the noise/pollution/traffic impact of those and it's very clear the location is no longer suitable. The fact that now we're being forced to visit by car rather than to walk negates (to some extent at least) the need for this to be truly "local". I could go on, but am concious that this thread as you rightly point out is more specific to closures due to coronavirus rather than a flawed planning process and a wholly unimagintive Greater Manchester Combined Authority.
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Dave, why deny someone a good moan.
it's a forum wheels, what d'you expect!
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Maybe we should be grateful that Rose Hill isn't opening!
Here is the latest update from GM Council via Stockport Council's FB page:
Recycle for Greater Manchester has announced this afternoon that Adswood and Bredbury Household Waste Recycling Centres (HWRC) will reopen on Saturday, May 2 with strict measures in place.
Adswood HWRC, from 8am to 6pm, 7 days a week, and Bredbury HWRC, on Saturday and Sunday, 8am to 6pm.
Rosehill WHRC (Marple) remains closed.
Cars are permitted via a number plate rota. Even number plate vehicles only this Saturday, odds on Sunday. Further details regarding the rota can be found in the link below.
Residents will only be able to dispose of bagged general waste and will need to observe social distancing measures. Only one person in the vehicle can leave the car and dispose of their waste.
Only make the trip if it's vital. No pedestrian visits, you must be in a vehicle.
More details can be found at: https://www.stockport.gov.uk/news/recycle-for-greater-manchester-reopens-two-of-stockports-household-waste (https://www.stockport.gov.uk/news/recycle-for-greater-manchester-reopens-two-of-stockports-household-waste)
On Facebook some people seem to think that they can go on both days because they have an odd and an even number in their registration ::) (so MM63 = even and odd ;D )
The table below is confusing, why not stipulate even numbers on even dates and odd number on odd dates then at least people wouldn't have to check the table!
Chaos is predicted!
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The best way to avoid confusion is to prevent it happening in the first place. Stockport could do with thinking a bit
about the clarity of their communications. A few examples on the page - or directing people where to get examples - would work wonders.
THANKFULLY it turns out the Recycle for Greater Manchester website actually does this...
https://recycleforgreatermanchester.com/recycling-centres-tips-opening-times/
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The other thing I note is that you need proof of address. Gas, electric, council tax bill. And NOT a driving licence. Which will be a complete git for people like me who now get all their bills delivered electronically, if they don't have a printer. My driving licence is the only thing physical that has my address on it, yet for some reason, that's not accepted.
Thankfully I a) have a printer, and b) don't have any bagged waste I need to get rid of urgently.
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The other thing I note is that you need proof of address. Gas, electric, council tax bill. And NOT a driving licence. Which will be a complete git for people like me who now get all their bills delivered electronically, if they don't have a printer. My driving licence is the only thing physical that has my address on it, yet for some reason, that's not accepted.
Thankfully I a) have a printer, and b) don't have any bagged waste I need to get rid of urgently.
It'll be Facial recongnition next!
I can see this whole thing turning into a complete fiasco, people kicking off at the front of the queue because they don't have the correct ID, horns blasting from those back in the queue, others taking every but of rubbish they want to get rid of but putting it in a bag to disguise it and hi-viz clad operatives trying their best to keep the peace who, to be honest aren't employed for their diplomacy skills.
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It'll be Facial recongnition next!
I can see this whole thing turning into a complete fiasco, people kicking off at the front of the queue because they don't have the correct ID, horns blasting from those back in the queue, others taking every but of rubbish they want to get rid of but putting it in a bag to disguise it and hi-viz clad operatives trying their best to keep the peace who, to be honest aren't employed for their diplomacy skills.
Be glad then that this will be happening some miles away then ;)
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Be glad then that this will be happening some miles away then ;)
unless it becomes the new norm' :o
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If you're tempted to make a trip to Bredbury or Adswood this weekend, here's some guidance on even and odd numbers:
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And don't forget your proof of address too!
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This is going to go so horribly wrong :'( :'(
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We don't actually need to visit the tip, but fortunately, my car has an even number and my wife's has an odd number, so we wouldn't have to bother about that restriction!
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Going back to the Waste Authority’s claim that Railway Road is too short for the queue that would build up if they were to reopen Rose Hill Tip, has anyone ever seen a queue that was so long that it stretched out on to Stockport Road. I’ve lived here for over 30 years and I haven’t.
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Yes I have. The day before they shut it. I think it was because of social distancing.
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Understand that Rose Hill reopens on the 30th though with number plate restrictions as per other centres. (via a FB post from Cllr Steve Gribbon)
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Rose Hill Tip reopening on Saturday 30 May
Details are now confirmed for Rose Hill Tip reopening...
Saturday 30 May: 9am – 6pm
From Sunday 31 May: Monday to Sunday: 8am -6pm
The rule about odd and even number plates still applies:
Sat 30th May Even
Sun 31st May Odd
Mon 1st June Even
Tue 2nd June Odd
Wed 3rd June Even
Thur 4th June Even
Fri 5th June Odd
From 30 May you can take:
- general waste including small bulky items
- garden waste (no soil)
- cardboard
- wood and timber
- hardcore and rubble
- scrap metal
They will NOT be accepting items such as:
- Electricals (including small appliances)
- Mattresses
- Large bulky items of furniture
- White goods
For more info and to check for updates see: https://recycleforgreatermanchester.com/recycling-centres-tips-opening-times/ (https://recycleforgreatermanchester.com/recycling-centres-tips-opening-times/)
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Why can’t access be on even days with even number plates and odd days for odd number plates? It takes a bureaucrat to devise such a stupid system as Stockport has implemented.
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Why can’t access be on even days with even number plates and odd days for odd number plates? It takes a bureaucrat to devise such a stupid system as Stockport has implemented.
It was implement by Recycle for Greater Manchester across all their sites so you can't blame Stockport council for this silliness
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There are more odd numbered days than even (31st May and 1st June in succession for example), but they're still dishing out two days in succession in random places anyway.
Further silliness can abound as people with multiple vehicles in the same household could take advantage of it (provided they presciently bought both odd and even of course).
C-19 is a bureaucrat's dream, so not surprised at all this. Expect more in the months and years to come.
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The numberplate system is being scrapped from this Saturday. Scroll to the bottom of:
https://www.stockport.gov.uk/news/rose-hill-tip-to-reopen-as-recycle-for-greater-manchester-allow-more-items
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The numberplate system is being scrapped from this Saturday. Scroll to the bottom of:
https://www.stockport.gov.uk/news/rose-hill-tip-to-reopen-as-recycle-for-greater-manchester-allow-more-items
Good, it takes a bureaucratic moron to introduce such a stupid scheme.
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Good, it takes a bureaucratic moron to introduce such a stupid scheme.
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Why do you say that it worked very well. It might now be no longer needed but initially it was a very good idea and those behind trying to make things work for us certainly don't deserve public abuse. Particularly when they are unable to respond.
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Why do you say that it worked very well. It might now be no longer needed but initially it was a very good idea and those behind trying to make things work for us certainly don't deserve public abuse. Particularly when they are unable to respond.
A good idea if it stoped miles of traffic queing down stockport road .
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Out of interest, anyone got any better suggestions for how they could have done it given the obvious need/desire to limit traffic to the centres?
Obviously one suggestion would have been even plates on even dates, but then that has pitfalls as May had an odd number of days in it. But could anyone here have done something even better?
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Obviously one suggestion would have been even plates on even dates, but then that has pitfalls as May had an odd number of days in it. But could anyone here have done something even better?
That would have been much better and far more logical without the need to check a table.
On the rota they set there were 3 odd days in a row on 12th, 13th and 14th of May.
Anyway, after 3 trips to Rose Hill this morning my old shed has gone and I've saved £80 or even £140+VAT by just keeping it stored until they reopened.
It was pretty quiet, no queuing on any of the 3 trips and the guys checking on the way in were pleasant and friendly.
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https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/rules-set-change-tips-greater-18367958
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Out of interest, anyone got any better suggestions for how they could have done it given the obvious need/desire to limit traffic to the centres?
Obviously one suggestion would have been even plates on even dates, but then that has pitfalls as May had an odd number of days in it. But could anyone here have done something even better?
Yes. By not closing it down in the first place.
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Why do you say that it worked very well. It might now be no longer needed but initially it was a very good idea and those behind trying to make things work for us certainly don't deserve public abuse. Particularly when they are unable to respond.
See post #28
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Yes. By not closing it down in the first place.
Unfortunately that was a constraint imposed by Westminster. The initial rules included closing all waste sites. Recycle for Greater Manchester didn't have any choice in that.
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I went this morning. It was fine - no queue. Guy on the gate asks you what you have brought and where you’ve come from, but no need to produce proof of address. Or maybe it’s just because I’ve got an honest face..... 😏
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Unfortunately that was a constraint imposed by Westminster. The initial rules included closing all waste sites. Recycle for Greater Manchester didn't have any choice in that.
Too true... it was merely wishful thinking on my part based on common sense.
I went today too. No problems whatsoever.
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Copied from elsewhere, trying to find the original is beyond my patience.
Marple Tip opening times Monday – Sunday 8am -6pm
From Saturday 6th June, we are stopping the odd and even number plate system.
Cars and small vans under 2 metres high only – no transit type vans or vehicles with trailers
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I visited today to be informed that the centre is soon going to be asking for proof of address for everyone.
I asked why. The chap said it was due to increased use by people outside the area which increased their costs.
Just to warn you all.
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I visited today to be informed that the centre is soon going to be asking for proof of address for everyone.
I asked why. The chap said it was due to increased use by people outside the area which increased their costs.
Just to warn you all.
When they reopened they said we would need ID. So I duly printed out a copy of my council tax statement.
Then when I went with it, they didn't ask to see...
It's not uncommon to have to show it - I used to when I lived in South West London
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More bureaucracy; so then they'll need to link your proof of address to you actually being that person with some form of photo ID. Full time role and a computer system to support it! Probably have to build a little booth at the entrance with the obligatory brewing facilities included... Increased costs! The ANPR in place now is working well I understand. GM combined authority only need to link that to DVLA data and see where your car is registered and bingo, they've got all the info they need for the large majority of visitors. Those who flout the rules are probably prime canidates to also have no tax/insurance/MOT, so a bit of joined-up thinking here could save a fortune and not needlessly penalise the humble council tax payer. Sadly, local authorities and councils aren't renowed for their joined-up thinking.
I went last week and a rather rotund chap, seemingly sunbathing at the gate merely grunted "Where you from" and "What you got"... he seemed wholly disinterested in my responses. I could have been dumping radioactive plutonium and told him it was dust from my hoover and he wouldn't have cared.
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More bureaucracy; so then they'll need to link your proof of address to you actually being that person with some form of photo ID. Full time role and a computer system to support it! Probably have to build a little booth at the entrance with the obligatory brewing facilities included... Increased costs! The ANPR in place now is working well I understand. GM combined authority only need to link that to DVLA data and see where your car is registered and bingo, they've got all the info they need for the large majority of visitors. Those who flout the rules are probably prime canidates to also have no tax/insurance/MOT, so a bit of joined-up thinking here could save a fortune and not needlessly penalise the humble council tax payer. Sadly, local authorities and councils aren't renowed for their joined-up thinking.
I went last week and a rather rotund chap, seemingly sunbathing at the gate merely grunted "Where you from" and "What you got"... he seemed wholly disinterested in my responses. I could have been dumping radioactive plutonium and told him it was dust from my hoover and he wouldn't have cared.
YOU HOOVER O MY GOD IT MUST BE THE LOCKDOWN.
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YOU HOOVER O MY GOD IT MUST BE THE LOCKDOWN.
only radioactive waste!