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Title: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: Rothers on September 06, 2019, 08:18:25 AM
That area has changed and you will get a parking ticket if you leave your car there to go into any of the shops there quickly.
The friendly JW folks are advising folks when they leave their car there, but my wife sadly misheard them and got a ticket within minutes.
I suspect the local parking enforcement officer is sat in Costa, waiting for his next victim.. You have been warned..
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: Condate on September 06, 2019, 08:22:56 AM
I've always been baffled as to how people get away with parking there. I assumed it was always forbidden.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: wheels on September 06, 2019, 10:36:26 AM
That area has changed and you will get a parking ticket if you leave your car there to go into any of the shops there quickly.
The friendly JW folks are advising folks when they leave their car there, but my wife sadly misheard them and got a ticket within minutes.
I suspect the local parking enforcement officer is sat in Costa, waiting for his next victim.. You have been warned..

Good let's deal with the parking on the double yellow lines outside Archers/Hollins etc next.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: amazon on September 06, 2019, 12:15:39 PM
That area has changed and you will get a parking ticket if you leave your car there to go into any of the shops there quickly.
The friendly JW folks are advising folks when they leave their car there, but my wife sadly misheard them and got a ticket within minutes.
I suspect the local parking enforcement officer is sat in Costa, waiting for his next victim.. You have been warned..
[/quote It could be the car with the camera on top its round a lot now certainly lower fold Glossop road area .
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: PhilB on September 06, 2019, 01:09:26 PM
It is or used to be : No Stopping 7AM to 7PM ( expect buses )
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: andrewbowden on September 06, 2019, 01:36:49 PM
You can see it on Google Streetview, taken in April this year
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3944945,-2.0624964,3a,15y,16.88h,90.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFujO9j540o257h4UJfCBQA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

In 2009 it was No Stopping Except Buses
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3945018,-2.0629428,3a,75y,50.38h,84.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXALfcYFMquiUe3D3USsQHg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

There's a big gap in Streetview photos with none between 2011 and 2016, but it had changed to 7am-7pm by 2016
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.394488,-2.0625488,3a,15y,40.01h,93.06t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sdodRUfClPm_GyOaDfgMxRQ!2e0!5s20160601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: Condate on September 06, 2019, 04:30:25 PM
Good let's deal with the parking on the double yellow lines outside Archers/Hollins etc next.

Yes, that would be very welcome. Let's hope something is done about that problem.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: CTCREP on September 09, 2019, 09:34:53 AM
Just to add to the confusion, try reading this  [urlhttps://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmtrans/1982/1982.pdf][/url] .  It is part of a document that also covers Yellow Lines.  While parking is a problem, I suspect the Government will recommend a Ban on Pavement Parking, but will leave it up to local councils and local police to decide if they want to enforce it.  How many hours of politicians and Civil Servants time has been spent on this?
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: andrewbowden on September 09, 2019, 11:57:47 AM
Just to add to the confusion, try reading this  [urlhttps://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmtrans/1982/1982.pdf][/url] .  It is part of a document that also covers Yellow Lines.  While parking is a problem, I suspect the Government will recommend a Ban on Pavement Parking, but will leave it up to local councils and local police to decide if they want to enforce it.  How many hours of politicians and Civil Servants time has been spent on this?

All that would do would be to bring the rest of the country in line with Greater London where this is already the case.

And it has to be done on a pragmatic basis. 

I used to live in the London Borough of Merton.  And like many places, they have roads where if you banned pavement parking, and people parked on both sides of the road, the road would be blocked.

But pavement parking (the ban of which wasn't enforced) meant blocked pavements.  So the council instigated a pragmatic policy.  They'd enforce pavement parking rules for most streets.  And some streets would have a partial exemption.  They published a list of streets where you could pavement park BUT you had to leave a 1m gap on the pavement.  If you didn't, you'd get fined.

There's no good having a central government edict that all pavement parking must be banned.  Councils should be the ones responsible.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: wheels on September 09, 2019, 01:34:41 PM
  Councils should be the ones responsible.

Drivers should be the responsible one and if they won't act responsible one and if they won't act responsibly then legislation is required with no exemptions.  We also need to tackle people that drive into parking spaces instead of backing in. Driving into parking spaces is already an offence in many countries and it's time this lazy sloppy poor driving practice was tackled.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: andrewbowden on September 09, 2019, 02:18:46 PM
Drivers should be the responsible one and if they won't act responsible one and if they won't act responsibly then legislation is required with no exemptions.  We also need to tackle people that drive into parking spaces instead of backing in. Driving into parking spaces is already an offence in many countries and it's time this lazy sloppy poor driving practice was tackled.

What countries would those be?

And I would be more than happy to reverse in.  If parking bays were actually designed to cope with the average modern car.

You may call it sloppy, but there's plenty of parking spaces that are horrendous to get into forward, yet alone whilst trying to look over your shoulder.  If you'd like an example, pop over to Stepping Hill hospital.  Took me about ten minutes to get into one of their parking spaces a few years ago thanks to a classic combination of narrow bays and badly placed pillars.  Reverse in?  No way.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: adventurer_marple on September 09, 2019, 04:30:11 PM
There always seems to be cars parked on double yellow lines outside the Toymaster/Archers and Hollins along with some parked on Fern Close. I have on occasions seen the camera car parked opposite the bus stops on double yellow lines.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: Graham on September 09, 2019, 11:03:02 PM
What’s the problem with reversing into a parking bay, just use the mirrors, both of them, that all cars are fitted with, better than reversing out blind into other moving traffic. The only time I drive forward into a bay is when I need to load into the boot and access to it would be blocked by other cars. Give it a go you may even get quite good at it.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: andrewbowden on September 10, 2019, 07:55:40 AM
What’s the problem with reversing into a parking bay, just use the mirrors, both of them, that all cars are fitted with, better than reversing out blind into other moving traffic. The only time I drive forward into a bay is when I need to load into the boot and access to it would be blocked by other cars. Give it a go you may even get quite good at it.

You don't reverse out blind.  You have mirrors.

And given every time I go to the shops, I need to get in the boot...

Like many modern cars, mine is also equipped with parking sensors.  Whether you use then to reverse in, or reverse out, they are a very helpful innovation.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: JohnBates on September 10, 2019, 06:15:28 PM
The tighter the parking, the better it is to reverse in. Its simple physics. The turning wheels move over a wider arc. So unless you have rear wheel steering reversing in is easier, and far more likely to get out if someone parks awkwardly opposite.

Only disadvantage of reversing in is access to boot. But for ease of manouvering should always reverse.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: Stephen on September 11, 2019, 05:01:15 PM
The main problem with parking is the size of cars which are the size of a mini-bus. There is no need for anybody to have a car bigger than a Ford Fiesta. If everybody did have smaller cars there would be no problem with parking.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: andrewbowden on September 11, 2019, 05:43:45 PM
The main problem with parking is the size of cars which are the size of a mini-bus. There is no need for anybody to have a car bigger than a Ford Fiesta. If everybody did have smaller cars there would be no problem with parking.

Do you have children?  Cos child seats alone take up a lot of space in the back.  Two of them in the back of a ford Fiesta?  My parents have a medium size and they struggle.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: My login is Henrietta on September 12, 2019, 06:15:42 PM
That area has changed and you will get a parking ticket if you leave your car there to go into any of the shops there quickly.
The friendly JW folks are advising folks when they leave their car there, but my wife sadly misheard them and got a ticket within minutes.
I suspect the local parking enforcement officer is sat in Costa, waiting for his next victim.. You have been warned..
About time too. I passed one day when the bus area was packed with cars and delivery vans and the buses were having to stop on the roadway, obstructing other traffic.

Common sense should be enough to stop people parking there but obviously common sense is not a strong point among some drivers. Hopefully, the parking ticket and fine has taught your wife a lesson.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: My login is Henrietta on September 12, 2019, 06:23:15 PM
What countries would those be?

And I would be more than happy to reverse in.  If parking bays were actually designed to cope with the average modern car.

You may call it sloppy, but there's plenty of parking spaces that are horrendous to get into forward, yet alone whilst trying to look over your shoulder.  If you'd like an example, pop over to Stepping Hill hospital.  Took me about ten minutes to get into one of their parking spaces a few years ago thanks to a classic combination of narrow bays and badly placed pillars.  Reverse in?  No way.
One assumes you passed your driving test? So there is no reason why you can't park your car in a carpark whether it's Stepping Hill or anywhere else. I drive a large Renault Scenic and have no problems parking it in public car parks, including that at Stepping Hill and I'm just a helpless little woman (sarcasm off).
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: andrewbowden on September 12, 2019, 07:25:09 PM
One assumes you passed your driving test? So there is no reason why you can't park your car in a carpark whether it's Stepping Hill or anywhere else. I drive a large Renault Scenic and have no problems parking it in public car parks, including that at Stepping Hill and I'm just a helpless little woman (sarcasm off).

Funnily enough I did pass my test.  I have held a full, clean driving licence for over 20 years.  I drive a large family car.  But clearly you are a superior driver to me if you can get into a space in the Stepping Hill multistories without needing to do a ridiculous number of manoeuvres and have the constant worry that you're going to bash the side of your vehicle into a pillar.

The sizes of parking bays in this country has not changed in decades.  But the size of cars have.  last year Which compiled a list of 129 cars either too long or too wide for UK parking spaces. 
https://www.which.co.uk/news/2018/06/cars-too-big-for-parking-spaces-the-worst-culprits-revealed/

My car isn't on that list, but this summer in Wales I parked in a large car park where the marked bays were significantly shorter than the length of my car...  I think they were designed to fit Minis and 2CVs and little else.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: amazon on September 12, 2019, 08:08:11 PM
Funnily enough I did pass my test.  I have held a full, clean driving licence for over 20 years.  I drive a large family car.  But clearly you are a superior driver to me if you can get into a space in the Stepping Hill multistories without needing to do a ridiculous number of manoeuvres and have the constant worry that you're going to bash the side of your vehicle into a pillar.

The sizes of parking bays in this country has not changed in decades.  But the size of cars have.  last year Which compiled a list of 129 cars either too long or too wide for UK parking spaces. 
https://www.which.co.uk/news/2018/06/cars-too-big-for-parking-spaces-the-worst-culprits-revealed/

My car isn't on that list, but this summer in Wales I parked in a large car park where the marked bays were significantly shorter than the length of my car...  I think they were designed to fit Minis and 2CVs and little else.
Why cant you use public transport to go to stepping hill
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: andrewbowden on September 12, 2019, 08:11:12 PM
Why cant you use public transport to go to stepping hill

Well if you need to go in the evening or a Sunday, public transport is very difficult.

Besides, the last time I went there I wasn't living in Marple.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: amazon on September 12, 2019, 08:32:56 PM
Well if you need to go in the evening or a Sunday, public transport is very difficult.

Besides, the last time I went there I wasn't living in Marple.
fair comment
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: adventurer_marple on September 17, 2019, 05:30:43 PM
Any enforcement of the double yellow lines outside Archers and Hollins of Marple?
Perhaps this needs to changing to no waiting and no loading at anytime regulations. Which would make it an instant ticket if you’re parked there.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: wheels on September 18, 2019, 09:34:58 AM
Any enforcement of the double yellow lines outside Archers and Hollins of Marple?
Perhaps this needs to changing to no waiting and no loading at anytime regulations. Which would make it an instant ticket if you’re parked there.

I'm with you on this any parking here makes crossing the road very dangerous.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: adventurer_marple on September 18, 2019, 10:04:25 AM
Perhaps some of the councillors on here can look into this?

I'm with you on this any parking here makes crossing the road very dangerous.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: jimblob on September 18, 2019, 01:25:00 PM
Any enforcement of the double yellow lines outside Archers and Hollins of Marple?
Perhaps this needs to changing to no waiting and no loading at anytime regulations. Which would make it an instant ticket if you’re parked there.
How would you propose to enforce such a policy? Mr white van man (other genders permitted ofcourse) buying their lunchtime pastie?
cameras + backoffice support = cost
local traffic warden = cost
police = cost (and they're overstretched as it is)

perhaps the council could re-focus the efforts of the ANPR car that loves to hang around Mraple looking for easy prey and apply the costs associated with that to something more akin to making marple safer?
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: wheels on September 18, 2019, 03:18:08 PM
Jimblob.  Should we not be more concerned with lives saved and injuries avoided than any costs involved.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: amazon on September 18, 2019, 05:08:45 PM
Any enforcement of the double yellow lines outside Archers and Hollins of Marple?
Perhaps this needs to changing to no waiting and no loading at anytime regulations. Which would make it an instant ticket if you’re parked there.
So how do archers recieve there suplies and goslings hollins as well .Think  about it before you post .
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: jimblob on September 18, 2019, 05:47:25 PM
Jimblob.  Should we not be more concerned with lives saved and injuries avoided than any costs involved.
Open council cheque book or are you happy to fund this yourself Wheels?
Seriously though, we've a strapped council who say they can't afford to do anything from fill potholes to provide social care but you think this is a justifiable cost?  :o where d'you think this money can actually come from?
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: adventurer_marple on September 18, 2019, 07:46:39 PM
So how do archers recieve there suplies and goslings hollins as well .Think  about it before you post .

Well in that case it could be a loading restriction at certain times of the day like elsewhere in stockport.

As for anyone parking up for their pasty, are they entitled to park on yellow lines?
Or is this the same ones that take up a disabled space and go I’ll only be 5 mins meanwhile taking up a valuable space that someone needs it.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: amazon on September 18, 2019, 08:52:10 PM
Well in that case it could be a loading restriction at certain times of the day like elsewhere in stockport.

As for anyone parking up for their pasty, are they entitled to park on yellow lines?
Or is this the same ones that take up a disabled space and go I’ll only be 5 mins meanwhile taking up a valuable space that someone needs it.
let the shops close that would solve it for some then the Marple moaners would be out .
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: wheels on September 19, 2019, 08:38:28 AM
Open council cheque book or are you happy to fund this yourself Wheels?
Seriously though, we've a strapped council who say they can't afford to do anything from fill potholes to provide social care but you think this is a justifiable cost?  :o where d'you think this money can actually come from?

Honest answer Jimblob I think restrictions on Lcoal Authority Council  Tax increases should be fully removed and that we should all pay substantially more.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: jimblob on September 19, 2019, 10:43:33 AM
Honest answer Jimblob I think restrictions on Lcoal Authority Council  Tax increases should be fully removed and that we should all pay substantially more.
I personally think we already pay way too much and get very little for it other than a dictatorial but blatantly inept local council who act in their own interests and for self preservation rather than the interests of the folks who pay their wages
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: amazon on September 19, 2019, 11:14:07 AM
Honest answer Jimblob I think restrictions on Lcoal Authority Council  Tax increases should be fully removed and that we should all pay substantially more.
NOT every one can afoard to pay more .
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: wheels on September 19, 2019, 11:57:14 AM
Amazon.  I accept that some can't pay more but I was ask my view and gave my responses. I feel we pay very little for the services we get.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: Howard on September 19, 2019, 03:59:47 PM
Honest answer Jimblob I think restrictions on Lcoal Authority Council  Tax increases should be fully removed and that we should all pay substantially more.

I find myself in the unusual position of agreeing with @wheels! Local council tax raising should not be dictated to by central government. If local residents don't like it, they can vote.

Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: jimblob on September 19, 2019, 06:09:10 PM
I find myself in the unusual position of agreeing with @wheels! Local council tax raising should not be dictated to by central government. If local residents don't like it, they can vote.
If local councils could demonstrate a modicum of sensibility, fiscal discipline and common sense I could perhaps also agree. Sadly, in my opinion they cannot. Proverbial p***-ups in breweries springs to mind so I cannot therefore agree with Wheels, however big his own pcokets appear to be.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: amazon on September 19, 2019, 07:33:04 PM
Amazon.  I accept that some can't pay more but I was ask my view and gave my responses. I feel we pay very little for the services we get.
Just my opinion .
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: Condate on September 19, 2019, 09:11:03 PM
If local councils could demonstrate a modicum of sensibility, fiscal discipline and common sense I could perhaps also agree. Sadly, in my opinion they cannot. Proverbial p***-ups in breweries springs to mind so I cannot therefore agree with Wheels, however big his own pcokets appear to be.
Indeed. I don't think people would object to paying more if they thought the Council was actually capable of using the money well. However, like the majority of people, I don't trust the council to do so and wouldn't, regardless of who was in charge. Furthermore, I think the council tries to get involved in many areas which we could well do without and where we the council tax payers are much better at using our money for the benefit of the community than any council.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: jimblob on September 20, 2019, 09:18:01 AM
Indeed. I don't think people would object to paying more if they thought the Council was actually capable of using the money well. However, like the majority of people, I don't trust the council to do so and wouldn't, regardless of who was in charge. Furthermore, I think the council tries to get involved in many areas which we could well do without and where we the council tax payers are much better at using our money for the benefit of the community than any council.
I'll second that. It seems the more fingers they have in more pies the easier to justify their existence but the more they can mess up and then blame cuts because they don't have enough money.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: andrewbowden on September 20, 2019, 10:11:27 AM
I'll second that. It seems the more fingers they have in more pies the easier to justify their existence but the more they can mess up and then blame cuts because they don't have enough money.

Well if you think you could do better, stand for election.

No point in just sniping from the sidelines, moaning and complaining.

Do something about it.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: jimblob on September 20, 2019, 10:17:21 AM
Well if you think you could do better, stand for election.

No point in just sniping from the sidelines, moaning and complaining.

Do something about it.
I'm merly expresisng an opinion. I'm old enough and wise enough to know it'll not change with or without my intervention and anyhow; I can't afford to, the salary wouldn't cover my exorbitant council tax bill.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: Condate on September 20, 2019, 05:20:27 PM
Well if you think you could do better, stand for election.

No point in just sniping from the sidelines, moaning and complaining.

Do something about it.

The point is that the Council; no matter who runs it, is not going to do a good job. It is too remote and includes only six members from Marple. It also tries to interfere in too many areas where local people are much better placed to do the job.
Title: Re: Parking, Stockport Road, Bus area outside Costa to Greenhalghs
Post by: andrewbowden on September 20, 2019, 07:21:22 PM
The point is that the Council; no matter who runs it, is not going to do a good job. It is too remote and includes only six members from Marple. It also tries to interfere in too many areas where local people are much better placed to do the job.

Too remote?  Stockport town hall is four miles away.  Disley is run from Macclesfield.  And is run by a council with a far bigger area of operation.

I really struggle to see how Stockport can be too remote.

As for localness, isn't that exactly what the Marple Area Committee is for?  What's the alternative?  A tiny council covering just Marple that has next to no money to do anything and no economies of scale?