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Archive => Archived Boards => Local Issues => Topic started by: ROTHERS on August 20, 2018, 09:09:43 AM
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https://www.rightmove.co.uk/commercial-property-for-sale/property-65479432.html
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Fascinating. Turns out the entire chain is up for sale, flogged off piecemeal by its private equity owners. To spend millions of pounds building a business only to flog it off one store at a time seems an interesting strategy.
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What a great site that could be for a new Marple Leisure Centre!
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What a great site that could be for a new Marple Leisure Centre!
It's a good size site, but ultimately would fail the criteria in the draft Marple plan ;)
"Marple Swimming Pool is a difficult issue. While it is ageing and does not provide either modern swimming or gym provision, is a valued facility and it is essential to retain a pool in Marple. Rebuilding outside Marple would not be acceptable. Any relocation must be in the immediate town centre area. Current public and private gym provision in Marple is low, and any rebuilding should consider the need for up to date gym facilities."
http://ourmarpleplan.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/4.0-Marple-Neighbourhood-Plan.pdf
Suspect you could a fair few houses on that site if you were so inclined, but hopefully it will remain a garden centre.
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It's a good size site, but ultimately would fail the criteria in the draft Marple plan ;)
"Marple Swimming Pool is a difficult issue. While it is ageing and does not provide either modern swimming or gym provision, is a valued facility and it is essential to retain a pool in Marple. Rebuilding outside Marple would not be acceptable. Any relocation must be in the immediate town centre area. Current public and private gym provision in Marple is low, and any rebuilding should consider the need for up to date gym facilities."
http://ourmarpleplan.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/4.0-Marple-Neighbourhood-Plan.pdf
Suspect you could a fair few houses on that site if you were so inclined, but hopefully it will remain a garden centre.
Which idiots wrote that? And what standing does this "Neighbourhood Plan" actually have. It mentions that any development that removes the existing pool will be refused, but what authority do the authors have for that claim, ie, is this "Plan" actually legally binding, or is it a NIMBY busybodies charter like the Civic society is?
Given that the site is up for sale, this is actually the best currently available site for rebuilding the pool. My preference would be for having it on the Rec, but that'll almost certainly never happen, so this is the next best option.
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https://www.rightmove.co.uk/commercial-property-for-sale/property-65479432.html
I notice the close date for offers was originally June 2018, so this must have been for sale for some time. I hadn't heard about it before though.
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Which idiots wrote that? And what standing does this "Neighbourhood Plan" actually have. It mentions that any development that removes the existing pool will be refused, but what authority do the authors have for that claim, ie, is this "Plan" actually legally binding, or is it a NIMBY busybodies charter like the Civic society is?
For all your information on the Marple Neighbourhood Plan needs:
http://ourmarpleplan.co.uk/
You can have your say on the plan. It needs 50% of people to vote in favour of it in order for Stockport Council to adopt it.
Given that the site is up for sale, this is actually the best currently available site for rebuilding the pool. My preference would be for having it on the Rec, but that'll almost certainly never happen, so this is the next best option.
Actually it's a terrible option.
It's far from the town centre.
It's far away from most of Marple's population (although the people of Offerton would benefit)
It's £7m for the land alone.
It's not easy to get to by bus.
It's on a road that's already pretty congested, especially at peak hours.
It's virtually next door (well 1 mile away) from Romiley pool.
Even if you could solve the other factors, there's no point in the council having two leisure facilities so close to each other. It might make sense if you closed both Romiley and Marple and merged them on a single, bigger site. But I think we can all agree that that would go down like a lead balloon.
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For all your information on the Marple Neighbourhood Plan needs:
http://ourmarpleplan.co.uk/ (http://ourmarpleplan.co.uk/)
You can have your say on the plan. It needs 50% of people to vote in favour of it in order for Stockport Council to adopt it.
Currently the Neighbourhood Plan is out for consultation with the community. It has been produced by local people who care enough to put in the effort.
Marple Bridge, Mellor and High Lane are all working on their own plans too but they are not as advanced as Marple.
So if you have views on the Marple Plan then you should make constructive comments on it to the Neighbourhood Forum - that's why they have published it.
Ultimately, when they think it's ready, local people will be asked to vote for it to be adopted or not. As @andrewbowden says, it will require over 50% of the vote for Stockport Council to adopt it. Once adopted, the expectation is that it will be taken into account by Stockport Council's planners when they are considering local planning applications.
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Currently the Neighbourhood Plan is out for consultation with the community. It has been produced by local people who care enough to put in the effort.
Marple Bridge, Mellor and High Lane are all working on their own plans too but they are not as advanced as Marple.
So if you have views on the Marple Plan then you should make constructive comments on it to the Neighbourhood Forum - that's why they have published it.
Ultimately, when they think it's ready, local people will be asked to vote for it to be adopted or not. As @andrewbowden says, it will require over 50% of the vote for Stockport Council to adopt it. Once adopted, the expectation is that it will be taken into account by Stockport Council's planners when they are considering local planning applications.
iIts allso on the marple civic website you can vote on there as well but only once .
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What a great site that could be for a new Marple Leisure Centre!
Whats a point, as it is most of the way to Romiley and Romiley already has a Lesure Centre?
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For all your information on the Marple Neighbourhood Plan needs:
http://ourmarpleplan.co.uk/
You can have your say on the plan. It needs 50% of people to vote in favour of it in order for Stockport Council to adopt it.
The website isn't especially clear, but I'm guessing that as they only say it will "influence" planning decisions, that means that it's not legally binding and set in stone?
Currently the Neighbourhood Plan is out for consultation with the community. It has been produced by local people who care enough to put in the effort.
Which is a nice way of saying the local busybodies who think they know what's best for everyone else.
That said, they have a photo of the team on the site, and it looks like the courted controversy by going for the youth vote - at least two of them are definitely under 75!!!!
Actually it's a terrible option.
It's far from the town centre.
Except that other than the Rec, there's nowhere in the town centre to build a modern centre.
It's far away from most of Marple's population (although the people of Offerton would benefit)
Quite right, Stockport council shouldn't be letting the oiks of Offerton use "Marple's" leisure centre. I mean, they should use their own. Oh wait.....
It's £7m for the land alone.
In my eyes this is the only real problem.
It's not easy to get to by bus.
Because bus routes can never be altered?
It's on a road that's already pretty congested, especially at peak hours.
It would require some joined up thinking from the various SMBC departments (yeah, I know, but still, it "could" happen), but a major investment such as a new leisure centre should be the catalyst for sorting out that ****show.
It's virtually next door (well 1 mile away) from Romiley pool.
Have you used Romiley recently? It's bigger/nicer than Marple, but that's not saying much, especially when you compare it to Hazel Grove. A new, large leisure centre, catering to the needs of Marple, Romiley and Offerton would be the best solution for everyone in the long term.
Even if you could solve the other factors, there's no point in the council having two leisure facilities so close to each other.
No, you'd close Romiley once the new one is open.
It might make sense if you closed both Romiley and Marple and merged them on a single, bigger site. But I think we can all agree that that would go down like a lead balloon.
Yes, because of the supposed "rivalry" between Marple and Romiley. But it would actually be the grown up decision to make - which virtually guarantees it'll never happen.
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Except that other than the Rec, there's nowhere in the town centre to build a modern centre.
Well if people think there is space for a second food store, as suggested in the draft Marple plan, then I am sure you can fit a leisure centre somewhere.
Quite right, Stockport council shouldn't be letting the oiks of Offerton use "Marple's" leisure centre. I mean, they should use their own. Oh wait.....
Well yes. That was my point. But even then it would only be marginally better for the Offerton population.
Because bus routes can never be altered?
If there was demand a bus would probably run there. But ultimately that's not a council decision. It's a decision for a private bus operator.
Have you used Romiley recently? It's bigger/nicer than Marple, but that's not saying much, especially when you compare it to Hazel Grove. A new, large leisure centre, catering to the needs of Marple, Romiley and Offerton would be the best solution for everyone in the long term.
No, you'd close Romiley once the new one is open.Yes, because of the supposed "rivalry" between Marple and Romiley. But it would actually be the grown up decision to make - which virtually guarantees it'll never happen.
Yes I have used Romiley recently. Quite a lot actually. The pool is nice. The changing rooms aren't great but that's nothing some cash couldn't sort out. They could easily be remodelled into something nicer. Yes it's not Hazel Grove, but it just needs some cosmetic TLC in a few areas
The issue with merging Romiley and Marple onto one site at Chadkirk is purely that you would be replacing two centres that are very well located in town centres, with one that - frankly - is poorly sited for anyone without a car.
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There is space enough on the existing site for a slightly larger development providing that the little carpark was scrapped - 6 spaces isn't enough and you do have the derby way carpark over the pelican crossing. You could also CPO the two houses on the corner and the space available would be great.
The other option is to utilise the field space which exists between the Buxton Lane site of the college and the houses that are on Peacefield. This way the college could use the Swimming and Gym facilities and Life Leisure use the collage sports facilities.
Something similar could be developed at Marple Hall. As the crow flies not too far away from Wyevale, but in practical terms very Marple.
Both these solutions aren't without problems but would have massive benefits for our two local educational institutions.
Andy
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The other option is to utilise the field space which exists between the Buxton Lane site of the college and the houses that are on Peacefield. This way the college could use the Swimming and Gym facilities and Life Leisure use the collage sports facilities.
Apropos to nothing, but the council own part of that land. Although that's not to say it's not leased or something.. Not to say it's available to do things on (maybe it's on long term lease) but they own it. The bit closest to the college (the bigger bit) is college owned.
The Stockport council asset map is quite interesting.
https://www.stockport.gov.uk/stockport-council-land-and-assets-map
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There is certainly scope for investigating the viability of the college leasing the land to the LA in return for use of the facilities and improved parking etc.
Looking at the map you linked to, the existing Marple pool would fit in several times over - in fact you could squeeze in two and a half Romiley baths if you exclude parking.
The constructuion fees could be part covered by selling the site of the old pool and no protracted CPO for the houses on the corner.
It all seems so simple...
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There is certainly scope for investigating the viability of the college leasing the land to the LA in return for use of the facilities and improved parking etc.
Looking at the map you linked to, the existing Marple pool would fit in several times over - in fact you could squeeze in two and a half Romiley baths if you exclude parking.
The constructuion fees could be part covered by selling the site of the old pool and no protracted CPO for the houses on the corner.
It all seems so simple...
No transport links to mutch traffic congestion . not every body has cars to get there .not a good idea .
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There is a very obvious site that would be just about perfect for a leisure centre and swimming pool.
Town centre, accessible, away from traffic and under utilised.
Put it in Memorial Park.
The changing and showering facilities could also be made available for users of the park, as not all the park area would be required, and therefore make the remaining park much more attractive to users.
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No transport links to mutch traffic congestion . not every body has cars to get there .not a good idea .
No transport links, apart of course from the regular busses that serve the college or the numerous routes that trundle along hibbert lane, or of course the fact it is a five minute stroll from the existing swimming baths.
Remember Amazon, near enough 1000 16-19 year olds manage to get there and home every day!
I'd wager you could plan in a helepad if that's how you prefer to travel.
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There is a very obvious site that would be just about perfect for a leisure centre and swimming pool.
Town centre, accessible, away from traffic and under utilised.
Put it in Memorial Park.
The changing and showering facilities could also be made available for users of the park, as not all the park area would be required, and therefore make the remaining park much more attractive to users.
It would be perfect its just the not in my back garden people thats the problem .
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No transport links, apart of course from the regular busses that serve the college or the numerous routes that trundle along hibbert lane, or of course the fact it is a five minute stroll from the existing swimming baths.
Remember Amazon, near enough 1000 16-19 year olds manage to get there and home every day!
I'd wager you could plan in a helepad if that's how you prefer to travel.
Do the buses serve the college sat sunday .im not talking about 16 19 year olds either .
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Do the buses serve the college sat sunday .im not talking about 16 19 year olds either .
There are "school" buses running to the college on college days only. They only run for the college students.
The 375 runs hourly down Hibbert Lane Monday to Saturday. The 394 runs down Hibbert Lane every two hours.
Stand on Hibbert Lane in a morning and you'll see a steady stream of students walking down to the college. And back to town at lunchtime.
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Wyevale Marple Garden Centre sold to Dobbies.
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2019/04/dobbies-acquires-31-wyevale-garden-centres/
Get spending those vouchers quick... (might make their £20 shrubs nearer value for money!)
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Wyevale Marple Garden Centre sold to Dobbies.
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2019/04/dobbies-acquires-31-wyevale-garden-centres/
Get spending those vouchers quick... (might make their £20 shrubs nearer value for money!)
You mean the council haven't bought the land for a new swimming pool? outrageous ;)
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Apparently yesterday was the last day as Wyevale, and the garden centre is now owned by Dobbies.