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Title: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on October 30, 2017, 10:31:58 PM
For anyone who uses the local pool, it's closed until at least Thursday "due to essential maintenance on the boilers"
https://www.lifeleisure.net/enterprise/marple

Perhaps whilst they're closed they'll go out and buy a tin of paint to finally tidy up the mess of the changing rooms.  But somehow I doubt it.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on October 31, 2017, 08:23:21 PM
Impressively I got an email this evening telling me that Grand Central pools is ALSO closed due to "essential boiler maintenance"...

Glad Stockport's swimming pools are in such a healthy condition.

Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: GeoffAbell on November 08, 2017, 01:03:42 PM
The baths are open, but the boiler is temporary.

We need a better solution but as always at the moment it's down to money.  (Are we still in "austerity"?)  Brexit won't help.  But at least Marple was mentioned in the full council.  Several times.  So we're not forgotten...
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on November 08, 2017, 03:24:12 PM
Have to say that I tend to find Stockport's leisure facilities to be in a bit of a sad state compared to other boroughs.  With the exception of Denton Pool (which is going to be replaced), Tameside's facilities (for example) are in much better nick with far nicer changing facilities and overall experience.   Not just Tameside, but similar situation in facilities I have used in various London boroughs, Fife, Merthyr Tydfil and Cumbria (hey, I like swimming..)

Certain lockers have been broken in Marple for the entire of the 18 months I've been using the pool, the changing rooms are terrible, and the roof has been known to leak.  The flumes being broken at Grand Central for so long is just tragic.  Avondale has problems with water temperature and broken lockers.  Indeed the only local pool that I've visited and that I can't say anything too negative about is Romiley. 

It feels like there's an air of decay about them all.  I am glad that some work is being done, but it does feel like there's a of of basics that no one seems to want to sort out.  For example the fact that I was told at Grand Central that the lockers "will never be upgraded" to take the new pound coins because it was "too expensive" (direct quotes from the member of staff on reception.)  I was told it would cost £7,000 which in the grand scheme of things is not that much when you consider what the monthly running costs of the place must be.

I do appreciate money is tight.  Council budgets have suffered enormously.  But equally I do hope the council as a whole keeps in mind the recent abrupt closures of both Marple and Grand Central due to equipment failure of equipment that was due to be replaced...  I suspect there's a learning in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: wheels on November 09, 2017, 10:44:30 PM
The changing rooms are indeed dreadful even very basic things like the lockers still operate on the old £1 coin havent been addressed.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: mikes on November 10, 2017, 11:29:52 AM
Seems to me that it is long overdue that this disgraceful facility was demolished and a new one built.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on November 10, 2017, 12:04:08 PM
Seems to me that it is long overdue that this disgraceful facility was demolished and a new one built.
There was talk if Asda came to the ridge but of coarse it was stoped by Marple in action they would build another smaller one on the site of were the Houses are now going .it does seem as though its all back firing now more traffic as well they were also going to allter the road layout ....
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on November 10, 2017, 01:26:33 PM
A lot could be done with some internal restructuring - re-build the changing rooms, re-jigg things about a bit.  Just, frankly, gut the place, and use the space available more creatively.  With a little work, it might even be possible to extend the pool to a full 25m and I'm sure it could be widened a little because the side of the pool is rather wide.

Of course it's not likely to happen any time soon.  Nor is - if we're honest - there going to be a new pool built any time.  For starters, where would it even be able to go?  (Delivery office site!)
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: marpleexile on November 10, 2017, 04:39:25 PM
There was talk if Asda came to the ridge but of coarse it was stoped by Marple in action they would build another smaller one on the site of were the Houses are now going .it does seem as though its all back firing now more traffic as well they were also going to allter the road layout ....

That was part of the FUD from Marple Inaction. Their premise was that for some reason the current pool would have to be demolished to create a roundabout.

It was always nonsense, but it worked. A significant number of Marple residents (my parents included) genuinely believed that an ASDA on Hibbert Lane would mean the end of Marple baths.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on November 10, 2017, 08:49:01 PM
That was part of the FUD from Marple Inaction. Their premise was that for some reason the current pool would have to be demolished to create a roundabout.

It was always nonsense, but it worked. A significant number of Marple residents (my parents included) genuinely believed that an ASDA on Hibbert Lane would mean the end of Marple baths.
it wasent going there it was going on part of the land were they are building .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Howard on November 10, 2017, 11:34:41 PM
Of course it's not likely to happen any time soon.  Nor is - if we're honest - there going to be a new pool built any time.  For starters, where would it even be able to go?  (Delivery office site!)

The only places it cuold go and still be reasonably central are playing fields which would mean The Rec, Hawk Green common, Marple Cricket Club or Marple Hall School. Otherwise you're looking at a green field site or land from Memorial or Brabyns Park.

Let's face it, none of those options would ever get through local campaigners.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: GeoffAbell on November 13, 2017, 01:09:01 PM
Genuinely impressed with the research of @andrewbowden  !  I admit the rare times I swim (outdoor activity more my thing) I go to Romiley as the cleanest and best run.  Or Hyde.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: alison on November 13, 2017, 02:02:33 PM
With a little work, it might even be possible to extend the pool to a full 25m and I'm sure it could be widened a little because the side of the pool is rather wide.



Hang on, is it not 25m long? Does this mean I have to give back all my badges?!

Alison
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on November 13, 2017, 04:01:15 PM
Hang on, is it not 25m long? Does this mean I have to give back all my badges?!
Alison

It's 25 yards long I believe - that's 22.86m. Basically to do the equivalent of 10 lengths you'd do in a "normal" pool, you need to do 11 in Marple.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Belly on November 26, 2017, 10:41:28 PM
Indeed, the need to do an extra length every 10 is a little frustrating, but i can live with it.

Yes the pool is a little bit shabby, but importatly it is still there and, I for one, am very thankful for that. The guys there have also helped two of my daughters learn to swim, which is fantastic for somewhere right on my doorstep. Its a vital community facililty and it deserves as much support from the community as we can give it.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: marveld on November 27, 2017, 01:15:38 PM
Hang on, is it not 25m long? Does this mean I have to give back all my badges?!

Alison

Blimey - you probably do!!  ;) lol

I achieved my Gold Swimming badge (I never did my Honours) and 800 metres (never got round to doing the 1500), but as I recall the additional distance was factored into the swim. I swam for my badges circa 1974.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed - again!
Post by: andrewbowden on March 13, 2018, 10:32:45 PM
Closed again!

From the Life Leisure website

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The swimming pool at Marple Pool is closed until further notice due to an unplanned maintenance issue which has arisen. The Council and Life Leisure are working with appropriate contractors to resolve this issue as soon as possible. The gym and changing rooms are open as usual.  Customers can use alternative Life Leisure swimming facilities at Romiley during the closure period.  We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause and we will endeavour to keep you updated with progress.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on March 21, 2018, 04:12:10 PM
No point in going for a swim in Marple for two months according to Life Leisure.  From an email today:

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Stockport Council is undertaking a programme of works across its leisure estate to address priority works that have been identified as being required.

A programme of works has been identified as being required at lifeLEISURE Marple to ensure that it remains operational and complies with up to date regulations. It was anticipated that these works would take place later in 2018 and would have required a period of planned closure.

Unfortunately surveying undertaken in advance of the works being programmed has revealed that problems with the infrastructure and plant at the site are more urgent than previously considered and it has become necessary to close the pool immediately so remedial works can commence on site.
 
It is anticipated that the period of closure will be at least two months. The gym and changing facilities continue to be open as normal.

As soon as we have more detail of the programme from the maintenance contractors we will provide an update. In the meantime, customers are welcome to use alternative lifeLEISURE swimming facilities. The nearest sites to Marple are at lifeLEISURE Romiley and lifeLEISURE Hazel Grove.
 
We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause and we will endeavour to keep you updated with progress.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: PhilB on March 21, 2018, 06:33:21 PM
This is just a sticking plaster over the very deep cracks.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Belly on March 21, 2018, 09:25:00 PM
This is just a sticking plaster over the very deep cracks.

Its a bit of a disaster and hopefully not something that will be used as an excuse for some drastic cost cutting by SMBC / Life Leisure.

I really like Marple pool.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: DLL on March 22, 2018, 01:42:36 PM
Its a farce that a town of Marple's size doesn't have a better / more modeern leisure facility.

We should be equipped with one that is at least on par with Hazel Grove.

The loss of the pool will be make a huge impact for many, i'm hearing that a LOT of work needs to be done.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on March 22, 2018, 02:27:19 PM
It's by far the oldest pool in the Stockport council leisure estate.  Obviously age doesn't mean that much by itself, if it's kept in good condition.  But in terms of facilities, it hasn't kept up with demand.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on March 22, 2018, 03:21:25 PM
It's by far the oldest pool in the Stockport council leisure estate.  Obviously age doesn't mean that much by itself, if it's kept in good condition.  But in terms of facilities, it hasn't kept up with demand.
There was a chance of one some years ago .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Howard on March 22, 2018, 05:09:17 PM
There was a chance of one some years ago .

@amazon I assume you're talking about the rumour we heard from people associated with Marple in Action? If I recall, they claimed that the current pool would be knocked down to improve traffic management by putting in new measures at the Hibbert Lane and Stockport Road junction. There were also claims that Tesco/Asda (no-one knew who was planning for a new supermarket at that time) would build and new one  near the new Hibbert Lane supermarket.

As usual at that time there was rumour and counter-rumour all over the place at that time and I never ever heard it more than speculation.

However, the principle is right. there is no way that a town the same size as Marple should have such poor sporting facilities. However, if we did have anything, where would it go? There are only a few places anywhere near the centre that could take a facility of the size needed and I suspect all of them are going to be used for housing in the next few years. In my opinion the best place would be on the Rec. The town would get far more "recreation" out of if than we currently do.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Steve Gribbon on March 22, 2018, 05:26:44 PM
Hi everyone who reads this

Just to update on the swimming pool situation, I have sent an email to Life Leisure asking for a full and open answer to what is going on and why. I've explained residents concerns (including my own, this is my local pool too) and asked for details of what work is going on.

I included in the letter the fact that other local pools (Hazel Grove, Cheadle, Romiley as examples) have far better facilities than what we have, and asked if there are plans to improve not only the changing facilities but also the viewing area and the exterior which is tired and dated. I totally agree that we deserve better, and with investment more people will take advantage of the facilities.

As soon as I have a reply I will post on here.

Kind regards

Steve Gribbon
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: marpleexile on March 22, 2018, 06:16:59 PM
I included in the letter the fact that other local pools (Hazel Grove, Cheadle, Romiley as examples) have far better facilities than what we have, and asked if there are plans to improve not only the changing facilities but also the viewing area and the exterior which is tired and dated. I totally agree that we deserve better, and with investment more people will take advantage of the facilities.

Erm.... It is the council who own the local leisure centres, and thus are responsible for the sort of renovations that you're talking about. I'd imagine that Life Leisure completely agree with you, but there's naff all they can do about it.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: marpleexile on March 22, 2018, 06:19:32 PM
In my opinion the best place would be on the Rec. The town would get far more "recreation" out of if than we currently do.

That would be perfect. There'd be room for a nice 25m "proper" pool, with a small teaching pool along side it, a proper gym (maybe even a spin studio or similar) and a couple of all weather outdoor courts/pitches.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on March 22, 2018, 07:27:02 PM
I  am absolutely sure there would be no contraversy about building on the Rec.  I am sure the Civic Society would get right behind it  ;)

One interesting thing to consider is that the council hold the freehold to the delivery office.  With strealing some of the car park, a four or five lane 25m pool would be doable I reckon.  Second floor being a gym, studios and stuff.  You could even make it three stories and have parking underneath.  You can fit a lot into a compact space if you try.

But as ever with these things, it's a matter of money.  Tameside are spending something like £14m on their new complex in Denton.  That's having an eight lane 25m pool, small pool, gym, bowling alley, and soft play.  But still, a new pool and gym for Marple will cost a few bob.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on March 22, 2018, 07:39:19 PM
I  am absolutely sure there would be no contraversy about building on the Rec.  I am sure the Civic Society would get right behind it  ;)

One interesting thing to consider is that the council hold the freehold to the delivery office.  With strealing some of the car park, a four or five lane 25m pool would be doable I reckon.  Second floor being a gym, studios and stuff.  You could even make it three stories and have parking underneath.  You can fit a lot into a compact space if you try.

But as ever with these things, it's a matter of money.  Tameside are spending something like £14m on their new complex in Denton.  That's having an eight lane 25m pool, small pool, gym, bowling alley, and soft play.  But still, a new pool and gym for Marple will cost a few bob.
.could put it on Apple tree land .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: PhilB on March 22, 2018, 09:31:47 PM
This would be nice in Marple...

https://www.stockport.gov.uk/news/new-brinnington-sports-and-leisure-centre-officially-opens (https://www.stockport.gov.uk/news/new-brinnington-sports-and-leisure-centre-officially-opens)
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Steve Gribbon on March 22, 2018, 10:18:13 PM
Erm.... It is the council who own the local leisure centres, and thus are responsible for the sort of renovations that you're talking about. I'd imagine that Life Leisure completely agree with you, but there's naff all they can do about it.

That's a fair point but I feel if there really are serious problems the sooner we are told the better. Contacting life leisure and also asking about upgrades can do no harm

Kind regards

Steve Gribbon
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: marveld on March 23, 2018, 06:01:12 AM
In my opinion the best place would be on the Rec. The town would get far more "recreation" out of if than we currently do.

I think some of the residents on Oldknow Rd, Strines Rd and Arkwright Rd might not be too impressed!

On the one hand I totally agree with Howard's point. However, I also feel that Marple's green space should be left alone. A difficult choice, but if the money was available for a new pool I'd vote for this location (unless someone has a better idea?).

Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: marpleexile on March 23, 2018, 07:25:40 AM
I  am absolutely sure there would be no contraversy about building on the Rec.  I am sure the Civic Society would get right behind it  ;)

I'd expect nothing less of that bunch of miserable NIMBY busybodies.

They even got their knickers in a twist over the precise shade of green of ASDA's external signage - as if they were going to rebrand the entire company just because of them!

But Howard's right, the Rec is current just a giant dog toilet, it would be of far more recreational use for the residents of Marple to do something like this with it.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: wheels on March 23, 2018, 09:06:39 AM
I'm not sure the configuration of the rec would allow for the building of a facility of suffice to size plus car parking. There would also have to be some unusual highways redesigning to allow access into and out of the car park.

The current closure of the pool does however raise question about the lack of decent modern facilities in Marple.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: ringi on March 23, 2018, 01:42:04 PM
The few times I go swimming I like the Marple pool as it gets fewer children than other pools, hence my eyes are not messed up as much.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: corium on March 23, 2018, 09:32:37 PM
That's a fair point but I feel if there really are serious problems the sooner we are told the better. Contacting life leisure and also asking about upgrades can do no harm

Kind regards

Steve Gribbon

I'll be interested to hear what you are told Steve. I've heard tonight that several significant issues have been found which are very likely to involve six figure sums and I'd guess a closure in terms of months given one is structural. Even allowing for some inaccuracy, and perhaps if a second opinion is sought some divergence re the scale, I think we may all need to get acquainted with the timetables elsewhere. Of course I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on March 23, 2018, 10:05:49 PM
Well they have already said it will be at least two months...

And I do hope during this closure they manage to stop the roof leaking.  That's been dodgy for ages...
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: JohnBates on March 24, 2018, 04:32:14 PM
If you think it is time Marple had a much more modern facility, please sign our Sign to Swim petition along with the over 350 who already have:

here

https://www.change.org/p/stockport-metropolitan-borough-council-sign-to-swim-smbc-need-to-build-a-new-pool-in-marple?recruiter=103082685&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=share_twitter_responsive (https://www.change.org/p/stockport-metropolitan-borough-council-sign-to-swim-smbc-need-to-build-a-new-pool-in-marple?recruiter=103082685&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=share_twitter_responsive)

or

https://www.hazelgroveconservatives.org.uk/campaigns/sign-swim-smbc-need-build-new-pool-marple
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Steve Gribbon on March 24, 2018, 05:03:31 PM
I'll be interested to hear what you are told Steve. I've heard tonight that several significant issues have been found which are very likely to involve six figure sums and I'd guess a closure in terms of months given one is structural. Even allowing for some inaccuracy, and perhaps if a second opinion is sought some divergence re the scale, I think we may all need to get acquainted with the timetables elsewhere. Of course I hope I'm wrong.

Hello Corium, always good to hear from you.

I hope that information is incorrect also, the thought of the pool being closed for Months is a real worry, especially with so many who use it for their exercise. Six figure sums are almost hard to believe and if elected I would question just how has it got that bad before action is finally being taken. I'm a resident here, this is my local pool too.
As soon as I have anything back I will be in touch, I have contacted them on Twitter before asking why there is no investment in the Marple pool but no reply. This time I am hoping for a prompt and factual answer, but if I hear nothing by Tuesday I will be messaging them again. We deserve better than being kept in the dark if more issues are involved.

Kind regards

Steve Gribbon.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: GeoffAbell on April 16, 2018, 12:24:24 PM
An update from a scheduled meeting last week with Life Leisure who run the baths, were I asked for an update: they are currently undergoing tests to see the extent of the problem.  The closure will be at least 2 months, probably longer.  Much of the infrastructure dates from 1931. 

Whilst a brand new baths would be lovely, that will take time and money and if repairs are simple that will allow the swimmers of Marple a facility more quickly.  In the meanwhile, there are facilities for schools and general swimming at Romiley and in Grand Central, Stockport.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on April 16, 2018, 01:08:45 PM
Thanks for the update Geoff.  I have been meaning to pop in and ask on the situation as trying to get anything out of Life Leisure centrally seems to be a real battle in my experience!

I for one would love a new pool but the question remains of where you would put it.  And it would take time and money.  Tameside council announced the replacement of Denton pool a few years ago, and the expansion of Hyde.  With Denton they are only just at the consultation phase on the new facility.  At Hyde they've found out they will need to replace some equipment as the existing equipment can't support an additional pool.  Both are some time away from actually being built. 

If Marple was somehow to get a new pool, it would probably take five years before it would be open.

As a frequent swimmer (usually three times a week - two at Marple) I will be very happy when the current Marple pool is finally fixed.  Romiley is a nice pool but offers no post 8pm evening swim sessions for men, and Grand Central is just that bit longer to get to.

Will be easier to take my children to their lessons too!

Here's waiting...
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on April 16, 2018, 04:22:04 PM
An update from a scheduled meeting last week with Life Leisure who run the baths, were I asked for an update: they are currently undergoing tests to see the extent of the problem.  The closure will be at least 2 months, probably longer.  Much of the infrastructure dates from 1931. 

Whilst a brand new baths would be lovely, that will take time and money and if repairs are simple that will allow the swimmers of Marple a facility more quickly.  In the meanwhile, there are facilities for schools and general swimming at Romiley and in Grand Central, Stockport.
Now talking about a new roof which will be a nightmare with the way it is constructed underneath .it has bean or his being empted . it would be better closing it permanatly
buying the two properties on the corner obtaining a grant they are available and rebuilding and going from there .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on May 09, 2018, 01:42:50 PM
Got this email today.

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Stockport Council is currently undertaking a programme of improvement works across lifeLEISURE facilities.

Initial investigatory works undertaken as part of this programme at lifeLEISURE Marple revealed some issues with the pool filtration system and the fabric of the pool itself, which necessitated further investigation. As a result of this, the pool was closed to the public to enable survey work to take place. The surveys have now been completed and we are currently working with relevant contractors to develop a programme to address the issues identified and provide a full costing for the work.

Should investment to carry out the necessary works be approved, it is estimated that the pool will need to be closed until at least the end of January 2019.

The gym and changing facilities will remain open as normal.

We apologise for the inconvenience this will cause. In the meantime, customers can use alternative lifeLEISURE swimming facilities. The nearest sites to Marple are lifeLEISURE Romiley and lifeLEISURE Hazel Grove.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: DLL on May 09, 2018, 01:49:12 PM
It's a farce ... staff are being kept in the dark also.

When the quote comes through to carry out the works do we really think this will all be approved ??? six figure fees no doubt.

A town of Marple's stature without a leisure facility is shocking.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Belly on May 09, 2018, 03:05:12 PM
This is appalling news. Closed until 2019? IF funding is approved.

How has it come to this? And whay does there appear to be any appetite or urgency to get the situation resolved. I hope our new Councillors will be getting stuck in on this matter asap.

You only have to see the carnage at Romiley pool on a Saturday morning now, due to two swimming pools worth of kids and parents being stuffed into one small space, to realise that Marple needs a pool! Get on with it!!!
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on May 09, 2018, 03:26:04 PM
This is appalling news. Closed until 2019? IF funding is approved.

How has it come to this? And whay does there appear to be any appetite or urgency to get the situation resolved. I hope our new Councillors will be getting stuck in on this matter asap.

You only have to see the carnage at Romiley pool on a Saturday morning now, due to two swimming pools worth of kids and parents being stuffed into one small space, to realise that Marple needs a pool! Get on with it!!!
WE need a new pool codging it up wont solve the problem ...
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Steve Gribbon on May 09, 2018, 06:10:53 PM

Good evening

I have just posted this on the 'Marple Community Hub' Facebook page.

Thanks for the link into this. I am at the Romiley site this evening, I shall see if I can get any information when I'm there, but regardless of this I will be in touch with the Life Leisure management to get further details. Marple pool and the changing area have been in need of updating for some time, being optimistic I am hoping that the pool closure will result in these upgrades, there is no way I want us to lose this vital leisure facility. Kind regards, Steve Gribbon.

Please bear with me whilst I push for a response.

Kind regards

Steve Gribbon
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: CllrKennyBlair on May 10, 2018, 06:49:48 AM
I am very disappointed with the latest statement from Life Leisure and SMBC. I have asked for further information, a schedule of works and a cost estimate, from Officers on an urgent basis. I will not support any attempt to close Marple pool on a permanent basis unless it is to be replaced with a new leisure facility, which is a campaign we have already started (see link to petition below) However, this could be the ideal time to consider a new leisure facility for Marple. Years of under investment by successive Councils has led to this situation and instead of throwing good money after bad for this dated facility, lets get a new state of the art facility. Please join the 1,200 people who have already signed our petition.

https://www.change.org/p/stockport-metropolitan-borough-council-sign-to-swim-smbc-need-to-build-a-new-pool-in-marple

I will also be meeting with the MD of Life Leisure in the next week or so and will raise this topic with him. As soon as I have further info, will let you know.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Razzle24 on May 10, 2018, 07:51:28 AM
If we were to get a new swimming pool - where would this be?  Would it be on the same site? There is no mention of this in the petition.

I would also like to know why the council  + local councillors have not resolved this issue years ago - it should have never got to this point, where the local community has lost the use of its swimming pool. 
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on May 10, 2018, 09:12:57 AM
If we were to get a new swimming pool - where would this be?  Would it be on the same site? There is no mention of this in the petition.

This is a key point, and one I have mentioned a couple of times in this thread.  it's all very well demanding a new leisure centre, but all the pointless petitions and political sniping in the world aren't going to magically unveil a site in Marple that's convenient to and has the space it needs for a new leisure centre that has better facilities.

Yes, a new building could be better organised - two levels, gym upstairs perhaps with a studio.  Similar footprint with better facilities.  It could work.  But where?  Where?  Where?

If it's the existing site (and if you removed the existing car park a centre could spread out a lot more) then we'll be without a swimming pool AND a gym for years whilst they demolish and rebuild.  If it's a new site... well... where?  It would need space for parking.  It would need space for a building.  And it would need the community not to start a big campaign against it being built there...
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: marpleexile on May 10, 2018, 09:18:15 AM
And it would need the community not to start a big campaign against it being built there...

This is the key problem. As has been mentioned on another thread, there are places that are big enough and under utilised enough, but it probably wouldn't get past the NIMBYs.

The Rec would be the most obvious, the industrial estate around the mill, and the fields near the Rugby club would be others.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Howard on May 10, 2018, 10:34:56 AM
If we were to get a new swimming pool - where would this be?  Would it be on the same site? There is no mention of this in the petition.

I would also like to know why the council  + local councillors have not resolved this issue years ago - it should have never got to this point, where the local community has lost the use of its swimming pool.

I posted about this a few weeks ago. There is no way that a town the size as Marple should have such poor sporting facilities. There are only a few places anywhere near the centre that could take a facility of the size needed and I suspect all of them are going to be used for housing in the next few years. It should have gone on the site used for the development at Eastwood Drive off Cross Lane, on the site of the old college buildings or on the site of the Dale Primary, but of course they all went for housing

In my opinion the best place would be on the Rec. The town would get far more "recreation" out of if than we currently do. However, you can bet that all the people around it would campaign intensely against it.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: wheels on May 10, 2018, 10:53:31 AM
You also have the problem of what do you do with a big hole in the town centre if the current pool were to come down. A town centre that isn't in need of more commerical space.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on May 10, 2018, 10:56:27 AM
On location, don't forget that ultimately it would need to be land that the council owns.  As for what you'd do with the existing site, car parking, housing, office space.  Mini-park.  Sure a use would be found for it.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Razzle24 on May 10, 2018, 11:59:56 AM
In my opinion the best place would be on the Rec.

I don't live near the rec - but i do disagree with it being used to build a new swimming pool.  Why should we loose 'green space'?  With all the new houses that have been build over the years in Marple e.g. on Dale road, Cross Lane, Hibbert lane etc we are at the risk of becoming very build up. 
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Howard on May 10, 2018, 12:43:48 PM
I don't live near the rec - but i do disagree with it being used to build a new swimming pool.  Why should we loose 'green space'?  With all the new houses that have been build over the years in Marple e.g. on Dale road, Cross Lane, Hibbert lane etc we are at the risk of becoming very build up.

@Razzle24 So where would you suggest a new facility should be constructed that isn't green space?
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: rsh on May 10, 2018, 01:17:13 PM
Agreed that the Rec wouldn't be a good location. Not just because it's green space but because the topography of the land would mean a big leisure centre would stick out like a sore thumb in the middle of there. And being a "new" centre, somewhat on a periphery, it would command a load of new surfaced car parking to get through planning which would spoil the area even further.

The best place would have absolutely been the former Ridge College, already built-up, close enough to the centre of town that many people could walk. The old Peacefield Primary School could have been a reasonable spot too. Rugby club area not a bad idea but a bit out-the-way.

The only real suggestion I can offer for a new location (to probably go down like a lead balloon) would be the field in Memorial Park bordering Station Road, which I've never seen used for anything of any value. It'd be close enough to the centre of town to not require too much new parking, and would tie all the library and other facilities together in one place.

Nope, maybe just stick with the current location. It could easily fit a wider, 25 metre pool. We could even make do with the current pool, but why not build outwards at the front and onto the pointless car park at the side to provide a proper gym and new changing rooms over two storeys? Plenty of towns have swimming pools that are too small but most at least have a decent gym (New Mills and Bollington good examples). At the same time, rebuild the Derby Way car park with a deck to double its capacity.

If it's seriously going to take until January 2019 just to fix the current pool, it'll be the missed opportunity of almost 90 years if nothing else is done to improve the place. The council probably think it's poorly attended or doesn't make enough money, but that's precisely because the vast majority of Marple residents avoid it. If it was a half-decent leisure facility the patronage would easily double, triple, quadruple...
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on May 10, 2018, 01:42:01 PM
If it's seriously going to take until January 2019 just to fix the current pool, it'll be the missed opportunity of almost 90 years if nothing else is done to improve the place. The council probably think it's poorly attended or doesn't make enough money, but that's precisely because the vast majority of Marple residents avoid it. If it was a half-decent leisure facility the patronage would easily double, triple, quadruple...

As a regular user of the pool, I can tell anyone who wants to know that it was not generally poorly attended!  The early morning swim in particular was well used.  Saturdays and Sundays were often heaving, especially when the lessons were on.  The lunchtime session - that I used a lot - was rather packed in. 

Like any pool it had quiet periods.  Generally the quietest I ever saw it was between 9pm and 9:30pm on a Wednesday evening.  By 9:15 I'd often be the last one in.  But I can point to other pools at that time where things are similarly quiet. 

A bigger pool would be great.  But it would need to be a lot bigger to cope with four times the current usage!
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Steve Gribbon on May 10, 2018, 02:12:38 PM

Hello fellow site members

This is an update on asking for progression I have just posted on a different site:

Good afternoon, I have had a look for any updates on the Life Leisure Marple site, it is the same information that was being given at Romiley yesterday. I have sent an email to them asking for a full breakdown of work and anticipated costs/completion dates of each work item and I have also asked them to meet me at the site so I can see for myself the work that is needed. If I have not got a reply by Monday I shall repeat this but be on the phone to them also. Like I said previously this is an important part of our community, I will keep everyone informed as much as possible.

Kind regards

Steve Gribbon
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Jay on May 10, 2018, 03:19:41 PM
Why not use the empty space off Cross Lane between Eastwood and Throstle Grove. Plenty of room there!
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on May 10, 2018, 10:14:49 PM
@Razzle24 So where would you suggest a new facility should be constructed that isn't green space?
Apple tree  swamp .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Razzle24 on May 11, 2018, 07:24:01 AM
@Razzle24 So where would you suggest a new facility should be constructed that isn't green space

What about Chadwick Street? Or Cross Lane?
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Victor M on May 11, 2018, 11:04:35 AM
I have received an email yesterday from Life Leisure stating that "Should investment to carry out the necessary works be approved, it is estimated that the pool will need to be closed until at least the end of January 2019".

They don't say who has to approve it, but I think this probably means additional budget from SMBC who I believe have already raided the contingency fund a number of times. This does not look good as the 2018-19 budget has been approved by both the Labour and Conservative groups.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Steve Gribbon on June 18, 2018, 11:23:22 AM

Good morning.

Please see below for a copy of the message from a Stockport Council officer regarding Marple Pool. We (Councillors) are due to have a site inspection soon and will update accordingly. Kind regards, Steve


I appreciate the inconvenience that the continued closure of Marple Pool is causing.
The pool was closed in March due to major problems discovered with the pool filtration systems and pool fabric, whilst we were planning a small scale programme of repair and refurbishment works. We immediately commissioned a full condition survey of all aspects of the building so we had a clear picture of all works required over the next few years. At the time of commissioning the surveys, we were advised that to do even the minimum works
 required, closure until at least the end of January 2019 would be necessary. We have now received initial reports back and it is clear that the issues with the building are more complex than originally anticipated. We are reviewing the situation at present and will be in a position to provide a fuller update at the beginning of July. In the meantime, if there is anything we can do make access to swimming at other facilities easier, please let me know and I will discuss these with Life Leisure.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on June 18, 2018, 01:04:39 PM
Good morning.

Please see below for a copy of the message from a Stockport Council officer regarding Marple Pool. We (Councillors) are due to have a site inspection soon and will update accordingly. Kind regards, Steve


I appreciate the inconvenience that the continued closure of Marple Pool is causing.
The pool was closed in March due to major problems discovered with the pool filtration systems and pool fabric, whilst we were planning a small scale programme of repair and refurbishment works. We immediately commissioned a full condition survey of all aspects of the building so we had a clear picture of all works required over the next few years. At the time of commissioning the surveys, we were advised that to do even the minimum works
 required, closure until at least the end of January 2019 would be necessary. We have now received initial reports back and it is clear that the issues with the building are more complex than originally anticipated. We are reviewing the situation at present and will be in a position to provide a fuller update at the beginning of July. In the meantime, if there is anything we can do make access to swimming at other facilities easier, please let me know and I will discuss these with Life Leisure.
Thank steve .theres plenty water botom lower fold any one want a paddle .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on June 18, 2018, 02:32:59 PM
Thanks for the update Steve.

I can only speak for myself and my family, but it is a right-old nuisance is this closure!  It's a lot more effort to get to Romiley for my children's lessons, than it is to Marple.  And because Romiley is hosting its own lessions and Marple's, the place can get extremely busy during the time swimming lessons are on.  Not sure there's a particular solution for that!

I am a regular swimmer myself (usually three or four times a week) but my swimming has to fit around family life which means I only have a few slots I can swim in - usually early weekend mornings, or evenings from 8/8:30.  Marple opened at 7:30 on a Saturday and Sunday, but Romiley doesn't open until 9am on a Sunday (7:45 on a Saturday is at least do-able.). There's no do-able evening slots at Romiley either.  Indeed there's only one swimming session after 8:30pm, on a Thursday and it's ladies only, so us men are a bit stuck!

I'm sure every Marple swimmer has their own quirks in schedules, but the upshot for me is that I'm having to spend a lot more of my time having to drive to Grand Central as it's the only place open when I can get to it.  And all that time adds up.

I guess the request for me is if there's any way Romiley can review its opening hours given the extra demand on it, then that may be helpful to some of us.


And if there is going to be substantial work on Marple to bring it back into service, I do hope that some money can be found to actually make improve the quality of the changing rooms at the same time!  I went to Hazel Grove the other week with my daughter.  Lovely changing facilities they have there.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Steve Gribbon on June 18, 2018, 02:35:45 PM
Thank steve .theres plenty water botom lower fold any one want a paddle .

Thanks Amazon, I shall grab my arm bands!

Like all residents this is of real concern to me, if I or another Councillor receive an update I am sure we will post on here.

@andrewbowden, Andrew  I will pass on your email to the Council official if that is ok with you?

Kind regards as always

Steve
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on June 18, 2018, 02:37:49 PM
@andrewbowden, Andrew  I will pass on your email to the Council official if that is ok with you?

@Steve Gribbon  - of course, that's no problem
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Steve Gribbon on June 18, 2018, 02:44:48 PM
@Steve Gribbon  - of course, that's no problem

@andrewbowden

Thanks Andrew, it will be sent this afternoon.

Kind regards

Steve
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on June 22, 2018, 09:12:06 AM
Got a letter the other day about my son's swimming lessons next term.  Seems they're definitely planning at least some changes to the opening hours at Romiley.  Unfortunately for some, they won't be positive changes. 

Monday to Thursday, the public swim sessions in the main pool that run post-school are going to be axed so they can dedicate the whole of the main pool to swimming lessons.

I can't say I'm entirely surprised they are doing this.  I made the mistake of arriving for a swim at 5:30 on a Wednesday recently.  There was a queue for the car park.  Once inside, three lanes were in use for lessons, two for the public.  In the public bit, it was very crowded.  I ended up swimming half lengths because it was nigh on impossible to get to the shallow end.

Obviously come September, they'll have more space for the children from both Romiley and Marple to have their lessons, but it will come at the cost of something like 10 hours of public swimming sessions at Romiley.  No idea if they're making any other changes to the timetable to make up for it.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on June 22, 2018, 11:07:04 AM
Got a letter the other day about my son's swimming lessons next term.  Seems they're definitely planning at least some changes to the opening hours at Romiley.  Unfortunately for some, they won't be positive changes. 

Monday to Thursday, the public swim sessions in the main pool that run post-school are going to be axed so they can dedicate the whole of the main pool to swimming lessons.

I can't say I'm entirely surprised they are doing this.  I made the mistake of arriving for a swim at 5:30 on a Wednesday recently.  There was a queue for the car park.  Once inside, three lanes were in use for lessons, two for the public.  In the public bit, it was very crowded.  I ended up swimming half lengths because it was nigh on impossible to get to the shallow end.

Obviously come September, they'll have more space for the children from both Romiley and Marple to have their lessons, but it will come at the cost of something like 10 hours of public swimming sessions at Romiley.  No idea if they're making any other changes to the timetable to make up for it.
No matter what they spend on Marple baths its not going to be good enough .we need a new baths someware but were .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Belly on June 23, 2018, 05:49:50 PM
Monday to Thursday, the public swim sessions in the main pool that run post-school are going to be axed so they can dedicate the whole of the main pool to swimming lessons.

I can't say I'm entirely surprised they are doing this.  I made the mistake of arriving for a swim at 5:30 on a Wednesday recently.  There was a queue for the car park.  Once inside, three lanes were in use for lessons, two for the public.  In the public bit, it was very crowded.  I ended up swimming half lengths because it was nigh on impossible to get to the shallow end.

Obviously come September, they'll have more space for the children from both Romiley and Marple to have their lessons, but it will come at the cost of something like 10 hours of public swimming sessions at Romiley.  No idea if they're making any other changes to the timetable to make up for it.
Fully agree with this. I used to swim at Marple of an evening a couple of times a week. Since the closure I’ve only managed to get to Grand Central a couple of times, the extra travelling and faffing about makes it very inconvenient. Having looked at the other ‘local’ baths, there is virtually no evening public swimming available.

When is this debacle going to be sorted? I fear that the longer this goes on, the less likely the pool will ever be re-opened and it will end up being forgotten about and then lost through yet more supposed cost savings.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: DLL on June 25, 2018, 10:10:19 AM
We need to take to the streets ! Whats going on ??? Marple needs a swimming baths.

It'll come down to cost and quite frankly I cant see Life Leisure wanting to cough up. The gym is a farce as well.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on June 25, 2018, 02:10:20 PM
We need to take to the streets ! Whats going on ??? Marple needs a swimming baths.

It'll come down to cost and quite frankly I cant see Life Leisure wanting to cough up. The gym is a farce as well.
They took to the streets against Asda .were are they now
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on June 25, 2018, 03:18:13 PM
They took to the streets against Asda .were are they now

At the self-checkout queue?
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Mrs O on June 25, 2018, 04:20:11 PM
They took to the streets against Asda .were are they now
Where are who now? Are you talking about the people who strongly opposed a supermarket on Hibbert Lane  in the middle of a residential area? If so what is  the relevance? Do tell, I for one am happy that a supermarket was not built there.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on June 25, 2018, 04:25:32 PM
At the self-checkout queue?
Nice one .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on June 25, 2018, 04:32:40 PM
Where are who now? Are you talking about the people who strongly opposed a supermarket on Hibbert Lane  in the middle of a residential area? If so what is  the relevance? Do tell, I for one am happy that a supermarket was not built there.
They may and i say may have been a baths there on part of it so are you happy we dont have a baths in Marple now .instead there is some nice big houses all with cars cloging up the roads ,
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Mrs O on June 26, 2018, 01:15:55 AM
They may and i say may have been a baths there on part of it so are you happy we dont have a baths in Marple now .instead there is some nice big houses all with cars cloging up the roads ,
Do you know how much a swimming pool costs to build? Who do you think would pay for it? Had a supermarket been built on that site there would of been a constant flow of vehicles in and out for at least 14 hours a day. How many cars do you think the residents have and how many journeys do you think they would make in a day? Think about it. On second thoughts don't, as you didn't think before you posted. No need to reply to me. I don't get you, never have and never will.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on June 26, 2018, 12:40:55 PM
Do you know how much a swimming pool costs to build? Who do you think would pay for it? Had a supermarket been built on that site there would of been a constant flow of vehicles in and out for at least 14 hours a day. How many cars do you think the residents have and how many journeys do you think they would make in a day? Think about it. On second thoughts don't, as you didn't think before you posted. No need to reply to me. I don't get you, never have and never will.
sounds as though your against leisure facilities for  Marple sooner have private houses .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Victor M on June 26, 2018, 02:18:17 PM
Come on children stop bickering, the real issue is that Marple could very well end up with no swimming pool and no real alternative apart from the pool at New Mills (which is outside the Borough and so not publicised by Life Leisure, SMBC). Marple could end up with the only council recreational facility being the bowling green in the memorial park!
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Carolyn Leather on June 26, 2018, 02:28:34 PM
It's a bit of a trek, but Avondale is a nice pool if anyone is wanting an alternative to Romiley and Grand Central.  I haven't been for a few years now, but I liked it because it was usually quiet, warm and clean.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on June 26, 2018, 02:33:10 PM
It's a bit of a trek, but Avondale is a nice pool if anyone is wanting an alternative to Romiley and Grand Central.  I haven't been for a few years now, but I liked it because it was usually quiet, warm and clean.

I used to go to Avondale in the evenings until I switched to Grand Central.  It's not a bad pool, although the deep end is so deep that I can stand up in without problems!

Hazel Grove's also a good although I've only been in the "small" pool (it's quite big actually). 
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Belly on June 28, 2018, 04:47:48 PM
How many cars do you think the residents have and how many journeys do you think they would make in a day? Think about it. On second thoughts don't, as you didn't think before you posted.

This old chestnut again. As the foodstore would have been mainly serving Marple residents, then most of the cars going to / from the supermarket would have already been on the roads anyway, but going longer distances to other shops not in the town. Theoretically, the new store COULD have actually resulted in an overall reduction in traffic in some key locations - Dan Bank, Windlehurst, Brabyns for example.

As all the houses built on the college site are NEW, then all of the traffic to / from these houses will be NEW. Therefore more traffic, at all hours of the day, but particuarly in the rush hour and when such trips will be heading for exactly the same places that everyone else in the rush hour is going to.  Thereby guaranteeing more congestion.

Nevermind, the campaign worked. We stopped scummy Asda in their tracks in their plans to take over Marple didn't we? Oh, wait...
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on June 28, 2018, 09:57:19 PM
This old chestnut again. As the foodstore would have been mainly serving Marple residents, then most of the cars going to / from the supermarket would have already been on the roads anyway, but going longer distances to other shops not in the town. Theoretically, the new store COULD have actually resulted in an overall reduction in traffic in some key locations - Dan Bank, Windlehurst, Brabyns for example.

As all the houses built on the college site are NEW, then all of the traffic to / from these houses will be NEW. Therefore more traffic, at all hours of the day, but particuarly in the rush hour and when such trips will be heading for exactly the same places that everyone else in the rush hour is going to.  Thereby guaranteeing more congestion.

Nevermind, the campaign worked. We stopped scummy Asda in their tracks in their plans to take over Marple didn't we? Oh, wait...
Nice one .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Steve Gribbon on July 03, 2018, 12:19:42 PM
Good afternoon

Just to inform readers that the Councillors for our area are carrying out a full site visit on Thursday, we will be asking questions that have been raised by many people on here including our own points.

Once we have some answers either I or another Councillor will report onto here.

Please bear with us whilst the meeting takes place, I am aware that much speculation is going on at present but when we get some definitive answers and information we will make sure that people are kept up to speed with the situation.

Kind regards

Steve Gribbon   
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: DLL on July 03, 2018, 12:40:30 PM
In a nutshell Steve - please ensure we keep a pool !
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on July 03, 2018, 12:43:03 PM
Good afternoon

Just to inform readers that the Councillors for our area are carrying out a full site visit on Thursday, we will be asking questions that have been raised by many people on here including our own points.

Once we have some answers either I or another Councillor will report onto here.

Please bear with us whilst the meeting takes place, I am aware that much speculation is going on at present but when we get some definitive answers and information we will make sure that people are kept up to speed with the situation.

Kind regards

Steve Gribbon
  Thanks steve
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Steve Gribbon on July 03, 2018, 03:08:32 PM
Thanks Amazon and DLL

I know I've said this before but this is our local pool too, there is no way I want to see it gone. This is the same for those who will be meeting on Thursday.

Kind regards

Steve
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Steve Gribbon on July 09, 2018, 04:22:25 PM
Good afternoon forum colleagues

As previously stated we (Councillors) met with Council officers at the swimming pool, personally I found it a very constructive meeting.

In order to try and keep information consistent an update is being prepared by Officers which has been sent to us for approval/suggestion. As soon as this is completed it will be released for public viewing. I am hoping this will be done in the next 2 days.

Thanks for reading this

Kind regards

Steve
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Caroline77 on July 11, 2018, 03:21:57 PM
Statement from the Council today:

https://www.stockport.gov.uk/news/statement-on-marple-pool

Not looking good...
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Victor M on July 11, 2018, 03:58:08 PM
As I feared, we now face months, if not years waiting for the report, then months waiting for a decision and then years waiting for funding. In the end everyone forgets that there ever was a pool and it's all kicked into the long grass and forgotten about. To say that Hazel Grove & Grand Central are viable alternatives for Marple residents just goes to show how in touch with Marple our Council is. Unfortunately I've seen it all happen before.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on July 11, 2018, 04:01:40 PM
Statement from the Council today:

https://www.stockport.gov.uk/news/statement-on-marple-pool

Not looking good...

I'd say it's rather neutral.  Nothing has changed in this statement.  They've been saying at least January for ages. 

What it does give is (finally) a public statement on the extent of the problems ("pool fabric and filtration systems, the shell of the building, and the mechanical and electrical systems") and basically states it needs a lot of money to bring it up to code - yet alone refurbish and redevelop it into a better facility.

Equally though, a new facility would cost money.  The question is how much it would cost to give a decent facility.  Keep in mind that in Denton, Tameside council are spending £14m on a new facility in Denton.  It's pretty big admittedly - a 17x8m "small" pool, an 8 lane 25m pool, gym, bowling alley, soft-play etc.  But building new isn't cheap.  Still, the benefits of spending more may well be deemed to be worth it.

Anyway, ultimately the statement changes nothing.  There's still three options:

1) close Marple completely
2) spend the money to repair Marple pool.
3) build a new Marple pool somewhere.

Our councillors will have to look at the options and make a call. 
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on July 11, 2018, 04:04:20 PM
As I feared, we now face months, if not years waiting for the report, then months waiting for a decision and then years waiting for funding. In the end everyone forgets that there ever was a pool and it's all kicked into the long grass and forgotten about. To say that Hazel Grove & Grand Central are viable alternatives for Marple residents just goes to show how in touch with Marple our Council is. Unfortunately I've seen it all happen before.

Grand Central's viable for some Marple residents.  I know because I am now going there at least twice a week.  There's free parking in the NCP (if you validate your ticket) and there's five buses an hour that run from Marple and that stop right outside.  It's not ideal.  But I've done worse.  It's not as handy as Romiley but it's an option.

Hazel Grove is nearer than Grand Central.  It's inbetween.  But ultimately it's only any use if you have a car.

And if you don't want it kicked into the long grass, well I suggest talking to your friendly local councillors.  I believe one of mine lives across the road from me...
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Victor M on July 11, 2018, 04:08:10 PM
Quote
Grand Central's viable for some Marple residents.  I know because I am now going there at least twice a week.  There's free parking in the NCP (if you validate your ticket) and there's five buses an hour that run from Marple and that stop right outside.  It's not ideal.  But I've done worse.  It's not as handy as Romiley but it's an option.

It really does depend on what time you travel, New Mills is quicker and easier to get to than any of the alternatives put forward by Life Leisure/SMBC and nobody has mentioned the impact the closure is having on the Swimming Club!
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on July 11, 2018, 09:43:12 PM
I'd say it's rather neutral.  Nothing has changed in this statement.  They've been saying at least January for ages. 

What it does give is (finally) a public statement on the extent of the problems ("pool fabric and filtration systems, the shell of the building, and the mechanical and electrical systems") and basically states it needs a lot of money to bring it up to code - yet alone refurbish and redevelop it into a better facility.

Equally though, a new facility would cost money.  The question is how much it would cost to give a decent facility.  Keep in mind that in Denton, Tameside council are spending £14m on a new facility in Denton.  It's pretty big admittedly - a 17x8m "small" pool, an 8 lane 25m pool, gym, bowling alley, soft-play etc.  But building new isn't cheap.  Still, the benefits of spending more may well be deemed to be worth it.

Anyway, ultimately the statement changes nothing.  There's still three options:

1) close Marple completely
2) spend the money to repair Marple pool.
3) build a new Marple pool somewhere.

Our councillors will have to look at the options and make a call.
Spending that that money on it is just scatching the surface ,we need new but were and how mutch .there must be funding available from somewere .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Howard on July 12, 2018, 08:11:25 AM
The telling phrases from the statement are these:

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With this level of investment and the existing site constraints, it will not be possible to transform the building into a modern and fit for purpose centre which could widen the health and leisure options available to Marple residents. We know that the site is extremely well used and that there is demand for additional gym and swimming capacity in Marple.
It's too old and too expensive to keep the site going, even in it's current form.

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The Council is committed to providing quality swimming and fitness facilities for residents in Marple and is in discussion with local Councillors on the best way of achieving this. The Council wants to keep all options open at this stage and has not yet made any decision on the pool’s future. To aid discussions, the Council has commissioned a leisure expert to investigate options for a new facility which could replace the current pool and gym and possibly offer a wider range of leisure and community facilities. This work has commenced and will develop a series of options for consultation with local residents and user groups.
Good. I hope we get a decent facility appropriate for the size of the local population.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Victor M on July 12, 2018, 08:43:54 AM
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Good. I hope we get a decent facility appropriate for the size of the local population.

So do we all but at a cost of around £10M I don't think it will happen, very interesting that there is no date given for when a decision will be made, no date when the Consultants report will be published, in fact no new dates for anything! Seeing that the pool is over 80 years old what plans did Life Leisure have in place prior to this for a replacement? They are following a well documented path on how Council's close swimming pools, just look at the number of old pools that Manchester have closed in the last 15 years.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on July 12, 2018, 08:50:58 AM
So do we all but at a cost of around £10M I don't think it will happen, very interesting that there is no date given for when a decision will be made, no date when the Consultants report will be published, in fact no new dates for anything! Seeing that the pool is over 80 years old what plans did Life Leisure have in place prior to this for a replacement?

Life Leisure are merely the operator.  They don't own the buildings - they just run them.  So they probably had no plans to replace because ultimately that's a council decision,
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Steve Gribbon on July 12, 2018, 08:56:59 AM
Good morning all

Apologies for not posting this when I received it, I was up on the moors with the fire related situation that is ongoing.

A line that Howard used is 100% correct, that the Council are going to work with Councillors to find the best solution. Personally I do not want to see our pool go, I would hate that to happen and I believe we (Councillors) are all thinking this way.

We will of course update whenever we can but please at this stage don't be overly pessimistic, what was published was being honest and with our agreement. Now starts the task of getting the best we can for where we live.

Kind regards

Steve
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Andy on July 12, 2018, 09:46:41 AM
Hi Steve,

Personally I'd have liked a stronger response. Something along the lines of

" I'll die in a ditch before they close the pool, it is a significant asset to the local area and one that is used by all sections of the community and should be for years to come. The fact that they could consider closing it is wholly unacceptable. I'll resign if the officers /exec don't find the money as will my LD colleagues. A matter of weeks ago we campaigned on this platform and I'm a man of my word etc..."

On the list of issues i'd say that this is a bit higher that pointing at muddy verges and speed bumps.

I do have a couple of questions,

How much do you think the reduction in funding from central government since  2010 have impacted on the council's ability to maintain and renew important places like this.

Why when the LDs were in control of the council for the past couple of decades did you not do something about this?

The issue here isn't financial, its political. It's about th future of Marple and whether we will accept fewer facilities than all neighbouring towns. 


Good morning all

Apologies for not posting this when I received it, I was up on the moors with the fire related situation that is ongoing.

A line that Howard used is 100% correct, that the Council are going to work with Councillors to find the best solution. Personally I do not want to see our pool go, I would hate that to happen and I believe we (Councillors) are all thinking this way.

We will of course update whenever we can but please at this stage don't be overly pessimistic, what was published was being honest and with our agreement. Now starts the task of getting the best we can for where we live.

Kind regards

Steve
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on July 12, 2018, 12:23:50 PM
So do we all but at a cost of around £10M I don't think it will happen, very interesting that there is no date given for when a decision will be made, no date when the Consultants report will be published, in fact no new dates for anything! Seeing that the pool is over 80 years old what plans did Life Leisure have in place prior to this for a replacement? They are following a well documented path on how Council's close swimming pools, just look at the number of old pools that Manchester have closed in the last 15 years.
If it does needs another location in Marple
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on July 12, 2018, 01:46:26 PM
Personally I'd have liked a stronger response. Something along the lines of

" I'll die in a ditch before they close the pool, it is a significant asset to the local area and one that is used by all sections of the community and should be for years to come. The fact that they could consider closing it is wholly unacceptable. I'll resign if the officers /exec don't find the money as will my LD colleagues. A matter of weeks ago we campaigned on this platform and I'm a man of my word etc..."

See, if I saw a councillor say something like that, I'd be thinking of one Boris Johnson who declared to his constituents that he'd lie down in front of the bulldozers before he'd allow a third runway to be built at Heathrow.  And then was handily out of the country for pointless reasons when given the opportunity to vote on rejecting the third runway...  Or of Zack Goldsmith who resigned from the Conservatives to fight Heathrow's expansion, made a big thing about it, caused a by-election, lost it, then not long after, rejoined the Conservatives again.

Basically, beware of grand gestures made by politicians as quite often, they ain't worth the paper they're written on.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Andy on July 12, 2018, 06:07:07 PM

Ah, but for the time being I believe Steve to be a man of principal opposed to the chaps below. I'd suggest most of the constituency have seen through Boris, except Wragg of course.

The point I'm making is that if the elected representatives starting point is weak then the final outcome will be bad. It even suggests that they know the pool may be closed and they don't want to over promise.

See, if I saw a councillor say something like that, I'd be thinking of one Boris Johnson who declared to his constituents that he'd lie down in front of the bulldozers before he'd allow a third runway to be built at Heathrow.  And then was handily out of the country for pointless reasons when given the opportunity to vote on rejecting the third runway...  Or of Zack Goldsmith who resigned from the Conservatives to fight Heathrow's expansion, made a big thing about it, caused a by-election, lost it, then not long after, rejoined the Conservatives again.

Basically, beware of grand gestures made by politicians as quite often, they ain't worth the paper they're written on.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: admin on July 12, 2018, 07:39:55 PM
There was a statement made on behalf of all 6 councillors at Area Committee last night, during the chair's announcements.

https://stockport.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/360609/start_time/194000

As far as I can see all 6 of our councillors are committed to doing their best to ensure that we do not loose the pool, or that we get a new one, but it isn't going to be easy or quick. It sounds like repairs to the current pool will take many months, even if the costs are sanctioned, and building a new one on the same site or elsewhere will take even longer. 

We can debate the reasons why the pool is in the condition it is and who should have done something about it sooner but we are where we are. It is certainly not the fault of a councillor elected just a couple of months ago or even those elected a couple of years ago. Steve has made a pretty clear statement that he doesn't want to loose the pool and that he thinks councillors are united in their views.

The best thing that we members of the public can do is make sure councillors and the council know how important we think it is that Marple has a good swimming facility and that it is not acceptable to not have one.   
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Will on July 15, 2018, 09:24:23 AM
Do we know who has been commissioned to review the options? It strikes me that there will be a Feasibility Study which should undertake a site appraisal of viability of various site options and compare against an impact assessment of what would happen if it were to close. The trouble is if other sites are to be considered that process can take months to identify suitable locations, identify cost of purchase and any remediation required (it's always on a brownfield site) and then have a legal review of title and any planning restrictions.

Having done similar on other public sector projects this can take up to 6 months depending on whether there is funding in place or not. Given the budgets identified to date it's likely it would have to come from borrowing which would be a council level decision. If so we therefore need to ensure this is not a party political issue as we need all sides on board to avoid blockages.

Our best option is to demolish the existing pool and rebuild as it would be the cheapest (land already owned and with right classification of use etc). It would also be the quickest as you could procure a Main Contractor and be on site within 12 months of approval of Feasibility and approved funding. Then you would have 12 to 24 months of construction but we would have a facility with a 60 year design life.

If we patch and mend we will be doing this all again in a few years time

Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on July 15, 2018, 10:54:27 AM
Do we know who has been commissioned to review the options? It strikes me that there will be a Feasibility Study which should undertake a site appraisal of viability of various site options and compare against an impact assessment of what would happen if it were to close. The trouble is if other sites are to be considered that process can take months to identify suitable locations, identify cost of purchase and any remediation required (it's always on a brownfield site) and then have a legal review of title and any planning restrictions.

Having done similar on other public sector projects this can take up to 6 months depending on whether there is funding in place or not. Given the budgets identified to date it's likely it would have to come from borrowing which would be a council level decision. If so we therefore need to ensure this is not a party political issue as we need all sides on board to avoid blockages.

Our best option is to demolish the existing pool and rebuild as it would be the cheapest (land already owned and with right classification of use etc). It would also be the quickest as you could procure a Main Contractor and be on site within 12 months of approval of Feasibility and approved funding. Then you would have 12 to 24 months of construction but we would have a facility with a 60 year design life.

If we patch and mend we will be doing this all again in a few years time
There is not a lot of room on that site .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: marpleexile on July 15, 2018, 02:51:10 PM
There is not a lot of room on that site .

If you brought a new build up to the boundaries of the site, there would be plenty of room for a full sized pool (the current on in only 4 lanes wide and not even a 25m long), plus a 1/2 decent gym on the second floor, maybe even a studio.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Will on July 15, 2018, 06:26:22 PM
There is not a lot of room on that site .

It's tight but I'm assuming they could expand into the land inbetween the building and Stockport Road. The building would have to be more efficiently designed but it is possible. If they were to CPO the properties on the corner it would work better and still be a lot cheaper than buying a new site.

I can't think of any other suitable central site and an "out of town" position wouldn't work for many people and would have millions in site acquisition costs
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on July 15, 2018, 08:25:20 PM
It's tight but I'm assuming they could expand into the land inbetween the building and Stockport Road. The building would have to be more efficiently designed but it is possible. If they were to CPO the properties on the corner it would work better and still be a lot cheaper than buying a new site.

I can't think of any other suitable central site and an "out of town" position wouldn't work for many people and would have millions in site acquisition costs
What about parking not being a killjoy on this
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on July 15, 2018, 08:41:21 PM
It's tight but I'm assuming they could expand into the land inbetween the building and Stockport Road. The building would have to be more efficiently designed but it is possible. If they were to CPO the properties on the corner it would work better and still be a lot cheaper than buying a new site.

I can't think of any other suitable central site and an "out of town" position wouldn't work for many people and would have millions in site acquisition costs

I found this interesting PDF from Sport England about community pools.  It comes with suggested site plans - see page 29 onwards
https://www.sportengland.org/media/4653/affordable-community-swimming-pools-r003-2012.pdf

Looking at them, there's definitely scope to fit a 4 lane 25m pool on site, probably 5 if you lose the open are on the side of Stockport Road.  The plans don't include gym facilities, but it's not beyond wit or wisdom to imagine them upstairs as now.   Sure a studio could be squeezed in there as well. 

The current building is not at all well optimised - looking at old photographs, the changing rooms and reception are are a more recent extension and are laid out in a rather hap-hazed way.  The storage areas never seem to be particularly sensibly laid out.

So something could be done.  With a bigger site, you could do a lot more.  But yeah, where...
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on July 15, 2018, 09:44:21 PM
I found this interesting PDF from Sport England about community pools.  It comes with suggested site plans - see page 29 onwards
https://www.sportengland.org/media/4653/affordable-community-swimming-pools-r003-2012.pdf

Looking at them, there's definitely scope to fit a 4 lane 25m pool on site, probably 5 if you lose the open are on the side of Stockport Road.  The plans don't include gym facilities, but it's not beyond wit or wisdom to imagine them upstairs as now.   Sure a studio could be squeezed in there as well. 

The current building is not at all well optimised - looking at old photographs, the changing rooms and reception are are a more recent extension and are laid out in a rather hap-hazed way.  The storage areas never seem to be particularly sensibly laid out.

So something could be done.  With a bigger site, you could do a lot more.  But yeah, where...
Brybns park a lot of it is not used now for Football .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: marpleexile on July 16, 2018, 07:45:25 AM
So something could be done.  With a bigger site, you could do a lot more.  But yeah, where...

My preference would be the dog toilet, sorry, Rec.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on July 16, 2018, 10:37:18 AM
My preference would be the dog toilet, sorry, Rec.
which one that many .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: shambles on July 16, 2018, 08:45:38 PM
Yes, Marple needs a decent leisure centre but I don't think the present site is suitable, mainly to due lack of space. If the present building is refurbished it will close fully for a long period !
Although people may be opposed to building it on the 'rec' this is land that was given to the people of Marple many years ago but is little used, partly due to it being waterlogged most of the year by water coming from the old limekilns/canal and now not going to the pond/lake on Fieldhouse Lane.
A leisure centre could be built at the Strines end with a 6 lane 25 metre pool having level access to Arkwright Road, and a gym at a higher level with level access to Strines Road.
If this site were to be used the existing gym on Stockport Road would remain in use until the new one is completed.
I have lived in Marple for over 50 years and have been swimming 2/3 times a week for over 15 years, but never at Marple.
When a new pool opens I would happily use it instead of Romiley
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: longtimenologin on July 16, 2018, 10:14:40 PM
Not sure that the owners of the new house with the big windows looking across the Rec to the hills would be best pleased with a new leisure centre there!
Isn’t there a deed about the use of that land ?
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: My login is Henrietta on July 28, 2018, 03:56:23 AM
The only places it cuold go and still be reasonably central are playing fields which would mean The Rec, Hawk Green common, Marple Cricket Club or Marple Hall School. Otherwise you're looking at a green field site or land from Memorial or Brabyns Park.

Let's face it, none of those options would ever get through local campaigners.
It may not be "local campaigners" who stop it - it could be the law. Is Hawk Green's common registered as a village green. the definition being "A green is any land on which a significant number of inhabitants of any area has indulged in lawful sports and pastimes, for 20 years, as of right." or as a common? On that definition Marple Rec could also qualify for registration as a village green although if I remember correctly from my History teaching days, the rec could be registered as common land if it had been in free use by the public for more than 60-something years (I'm a bit woolly on the actual period of time involved as I've been retired nearly 10 years.) and was not fenced off - which applies in both cases
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on September 18, 2018, 04:41:08 PM
Although there's no news, minutes from the Friends of Marple Memorial Park's recent meeting unveil one of the possible options being looked at:

The initial response from councillors was very positive, however, one councillor was concerned about potential development in the park arising from ongoing consultations relating to the possibility of relocating Marple swimming pool. Apparently one of the options being considered is a total redevelopment of the “built areas” within the park.
https://www.marplememorialpark.org.uk/memorialpark/FriendsSeptember2018.pdf (page 3)

Obviously there will be other options - no doubt redevelopment of the existing site is one of them.  And no one's saying that there definitely will be a new pool in the park area.  It just shows that various options are being considered.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: marpleexile on September 18, 2018, 08:42:20 PM
Although there's no news, minutes from the Friends of Marple Memorial Park's recent meeting unveil one of the possible options being looked at:

The initial response from councillors was very positive, however, one councillor was concerned about potential development in the park arising from ongoing consultations relating to the possibility of relocating Marple swimming pool. Apparently one of the options being considered is a total redevelopment of the “built areas” within the park.
https://www.marplememorialpark.org.uk/memorialpark/FriendsSeptember2018.pdf (page 3)

Obviously there will be other options - no doubt redevelopment of the existing site is one of them.  And no one's saying that there definitely will be a new pool in the park area.  It just shows that various options are being considered.

What consitutes the "built" areas? Does it mean the existing buildings - library, council offices, bowling green, or the car park, or both, or neither?
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on September 18, 2018, 10:36:14 PM
What consitutes the "built" areas? Does it mean the existing buildings - library, council offices, bowling green, or the car park, or both, or neither?

That's all that was mentioned.  It was just a snippet.  A brief glimpse into what's going on.  I'm sure there will be more information on options soon enough.

But the council does own the library, the offices, the clinic, the senior citizens hall (although not the Scout hut) and the car park.  You could combine the library, pool and gym in one building to make it a "one stop shop".  Even more options if you could include  the police station and Scout hut at the same time.  The current pool site could be redeveloped as offices, maybe even the clinic and senior citizen hall.  This is all pure speculation of course. 

It could be a complex option due to the necessity to relocate and shuffle lots of facilities in one go.  But it would offer lots of options with a convenient location.

Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on September 19, 2018, 11:47:30 AM
That's all that was mentioned.  It was just a snippet.  A brief glimpse into what's going on.  I'm sure there will be more information on options soon enough.

But the council does own the library, the offices, the clinic, the senior citizens hall (although not the Scout hut) and the car park.  You could combine the library, pool and gym in one building to make it a "one stop shop".  Even more options if you could include  the police station and Scout hut at the same time.  The current pool site could be redeveloped as offices, maybe even the clinic and senior citizen hall.  This is all pure speculation of course. 

It could be a complex option due to the necessity to relocate and shuffle lots of facilities in one go.  But it would offer lots of options with a convenient location.
Lets hope it all fits in .and if it does go ahead not to many objections .from the not in my Back yard .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Henry_ on September 19, 2018, 01:04:06 PM
It could work on that site. A brand new combined leisure facility and library could be amazing. The work would be very disruptive and there'd likely be a lot of opposition, but with the right vision and sensitivity in the design we could have something fit for many future generations. The existing library is a 60s monstrosity.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on September 19, 2018, 07:33:42 PM
It could work on that site. A brand new combined leisure facility and library could be amazing. The work would be very disruptive and there'd likely be a lot of opposition, but with the right vision and sensitivity in the design we could have something fit for many future generations. The existing library is a 60s monstrosity.
Councill ofices are not a lot diferent .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: DLL on September 20, 2018, 12:09:42 PM
To build a new facility will take years ! Planning, approval, funding, build.

Fast forward 5 years and it will have been all worth it.

This will however be a long long wait without a facility.

Romiley is currently overflowing, pardon the pun.

Marple needs a pool and a modern gym facility - end of.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: jimblob on September 21, 2018, 09:41:07 AM
Maybe David Lloyd, Nuffield, Pure Gym etc should be encouraged to buy the garden centre land and build a facility there rather than heap the cost of this onto the tax payer?
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: ringi on September 21, 2018, 10:17:52 AM
One issue is that a Marple gym/swimming pool will always be a 2nd choose for people who dirve if it does not have free parking.  (Romiley has free parking.)    Even then some of the sites being talked about will take longer for someone from Rose Hill end of Marple to get to, then Romiley.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on September 21, 2018, 10:42:57 AM
Maybe David Lloyd, Nuffield, Pure Gym etc should be encouraged to buy the garden centre land and build a facility there rather than heap the cost of this onto the tax payer?
To far out not every one has cars traffic is bad round there no public transport in that part .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: jimblob on September 21, 2018, 01:10:35 PM
To far out not every one has cars traffic is bad round there no public transport in that part .
and add a bus route, and the traffic is bad because we need an a6/m60 bypass.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on September 21, 2018, 02:51:11 PM
and add a bus route, and the traffic is bad because we need an a6/m60 bypass.
Spot on with you all the way
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: wheels on September 21, 2018, 08:10:10 PM
I think you first of all have to look at land the council actually owns. Anything else would be far to expensive and would cause massive delay. An when you look round the council owns very few suitable site. Indeed the site of the current pool would still seem the most practical.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on September 22, 2018, 09:46:54 AM
I think you first of all have to look at land the council actually owns. Anything else would be far to expensive and would cause massive delay. An when you look round the council owns very few suitable site. Indeed the site of the current pool would still seem the most practical.
It would b a quicker option .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: red666bear on September 22, 2018, 08:01:18 PM
It would b a quicker option .
Why don`t you put forward the sorting office site amazon?
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on September 23, 2018, 12:45:37 PM
Why don`t you put forward the sorting office site amazon?
Because it would put you out of a job .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: PhilB on October 17, 2018, 03:26:09 PM
Updated Statement on Marple Pool: 17th October 2018 taken from life leisure website

Marple Pool has been temporarily closed since 13th March 2018 due to problems with the pool filtration systems and pool fabric.

The Council is continuing the work on the feasibility of providing new leisure and community facilities in Marple following temporary closure of the pool earlier this year.   

This work is looking at how we can develop new multi-purpose facilities which will meet the current and future needs of the residents of Marple. It includes assessing the scale of need, the demand in the local area, the costs and the viability of any new provision, based on modern facilities.

We are also keen to build a strong partnership with Sport England and Swim England to maximise any funding opportunities.

We recognise and welcome the active local interest in this project and expect to share the first stage of this feasibility work once it is complete later this Autumn. At that stage we will aim to speak to relevant interest groups and other stakeholders during November to guide us towards a further update by the end of the year.

In the meantime, the gym facility at the site remains open to local residents. Alternative swimming facilities are available at Romiley, Hazel Grove, Avondale and Grand Central. The Council recognises that the current closure of Marple Pool has had an impact on capacity at Life Leisure Romiley and will be working with Life Leisure and users to do our best to accommodate temporary users.

The Council has set up an e-mail address to answer any queries users and local residents may have about the facility. The address is marplepoolproject@stockport.gov.uk
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: admin on October 17, 2018, 05:00:50 PM
Marple Local History Society has published an interesting article about Marple Baths on their web site:

http://www.marplelocalhistorysociety.org.uk/our-local-heritage/379-marple-baths.html

(https://visitmarple.co.uk/photos/albums/uploads/general2/normal_picture271.jpg)
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on October 17, 2018, 08:33:14 PM
Marple Local History Society has published an interesting article about Marple Baths on their web site:

http://www.marplelocalhistorysociety.org.uk/our-local-heritage/379-marple-baths.html

(https://visitmarple.co.uk/photos/albums/uploads/general2/normal_picture271.jpg)

I found this a fascinating piece.  I always wondered what that area was at the end of the pool.  I always assumed it was some grand former spectator area or something.  Never thought that it would be for use as a stage!
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on October 17, 2018, 08:51:02 PM
I found this a fascinating piece.  I always wondered what that area was at the end of the pool.  I always assumed it was some grand former spectator area or something.  Never thought that it would be for use as a stage!
Fasinating article .but now passed its sell by date , must be one of the oldest baths in the country .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on October 17, 2018, 09:17:08 PM
Fasinating article .but now passed its sell by date , must be one of the oldest baths in the country .

Old, but there are others of a similar vintage, or older.  Six years older is the Porchester Centre in Bayswater, London.  It opened in 1925.  A far grander construction than Marple's pool, it's lovely place to swim, and has been refurbished to a high standard.

But neither compare in age to a facility just up the road.  The gorgeous Glossop baths were opened in 1887.

Both quite different in style to Marple's more utilitarian style facilities it must be said! 


Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Andy on January 10, 2019, 09:28:51 AM
If my memory serves I think January was pencilled in as the date by which the pool should be opened.

Any news on this? The email updates have dried up and you get the sense the Council are just treading water until someone pulls the plug.

Andy 
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: PhilB on January 10, 2019, 10:08:31 AM
I asked the question a couple of weeks ago.....

A lot of work is taking place behind the scenes at the moment on this project.  We are still very much at the feasibility stage and don’t have any firm plans to share at this point.

I know the lack of tangible information is really frustrating for users of the pool and local residents, but please be assured that we are working hard to get some solutions together before we go through the decision making process about future leisure provision in Marple.

As soon as we have some further information, we will let you know.

Best Wishes

Peter

Peter Ashworth
Head of Culture & Leisure
Stockport Council
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: admin on January 10, 2019, 10:20:04 AM
If my memory serves I think January was pencilled in as the date by which the pool should be opened.

Any news on this? The email updates have dried up and you get the sense the Council are just treading water until someone pulls the plug.

Andy

January was mentioned as a "no earlier than" date in the first public statement but that was superseded in October with this:

Marple Pool has been temporarily closed since 13th March 2018 due to problems with the pool filtration systems and pool fabric.

The Council is continuing the work on the feasibility of providing new leisure and community facilities in Marple following temporary closure of the pool earlier this year.
 
This work is looking at how we can develop new multi-purpose facilities which will meet the current and future needs of the residents of Marple. It includes assessing the scale of need, the demand in the local area, the costs and the viability of any new provision, based on modern facilities.

We are also keen to build a strong partnership with Sport England and Swim England to maximise any funding opportunities.

We recognise and welcome the active local interest in this project and expect to share the first stage of this feasibility work once it is complete later this Autumn. At that stage we will aim to speak to relevant interest groups and other stakeholders during November to guide us towards a further update by the end of the year.


They are clearly running behind that with their feasibility study and speaking to relevant groups and stakeholder during November and we are due an update. @PhilB seems to have obtained a current holding statment.

The studies they are doing include the possibility of using the "built" area in Marple Memorial Park to create a brand new community / leisure centre. This was explained during public question time at Marple Area Committee back in November. You can watch this back via this link:

https://stockport.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/381827/start_time/201000

This would be a massive project in terms of both cost and logistics and could be why it is taking longer than expected.



Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Andy on January 11, 2019, 07:17:41 AM
Thanks Mark and Phil for the update.

It is good to see that it hasn’t been forgotten.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on January 29, 2019, 07:44:57 AM
In a few weeks time it will be nearly a year since the pool closed its doors and for be the silence is deafening, both from our council and from our elected representatives. And I am beginning to worry that they just want us to go away and forget about this stuff. And that if we want our pool back, we are going to have to make noise.  And a lot of it.

So I have a question.  Are you ready to fight? 
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: PhilB on January 29, 2019, 04:20:22 PM
I think the real fight will be against the 'objecters' when the council's proposal is to be build a new facility on a different site in Marple.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: admin on January 29, 2019, 05:17:36 PM
I've emailed Peter Ashworth, who @PhilB communicated with before, and he has advised that there will be an updated statement published by the end of the week latest.

It may possibly be finalised in time for it to be read out at tomorrow night's Area Committee meeting.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on January 29, 2019, 07:12:36 PM
I've emailed Peter Ashworth, who @PhilB communicated with before, and he has advised that there will be an updated statement published by the end of the week latest.

Funnily enough I also got the same message from him.  I will wait with baited breath.

But believe me, if dates are given I will be chasing up on each one regularly.  Dates being missed are not acceptable. The communication on this is appalling and I for one am getting fed up and angry about this.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: PhilB on January 29, 2019, 10:17:21 PM
But believe me, if dates are given I will be chasing up on each one regularly.  Dates being missed are not acceptable. The communication on this is appalling


Totally agree..
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: DLL on January 30, 2019, 01:30:17 PM
I'll back you up / offer support also ..... disgraceful how this has all been dealt with
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: admin on January 30, 2019, 07:54:15 PM
There was a statement about the pool read out at this evening's Marple Area Committee during Chair's announcements that included a promise of more regular updates.

You should be able to listen to the recording via the link below:

https://stockport.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/398337/start_time/142000?force_language_code=en_GB (https://stockport.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/398337/start_time/142000?force_language_code=en_GB)

I would imagine that the text will also appear on the Life Leisure site in the next day or so too:

https://www.lifeleisure.net/our-centres/marple/ (https://www.lifeleisure.net/our-centres/marple/)
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: admin on January 31, 2019, 08:05:25 AM
The following statement has now been published on the Life Leisure site for Marple Pool:

Updated Statement on Marple Pool: 31st January 2019

The swimming pool at Marple has been temporarily closed since March 2018 due to problems with the pool fabric and filtration system.  These [problems] meant that it was not safe for the public to continue to use the pool.  The gym has remained open.

Relevant surveys were commissioned and these indicated that the site required investment of £2.7m in the next 2 years to address a series of urgent and priority condition issues.  After consultation with local Councillors, a decision was made not to seek the investment required immediately whilst the Council looked into whether it would be more cost effective in the long term to provide a replacement facility.

Since summer 2018, the Council has been carrying out initial feasibility work to develop options for providing a modern, fit for purpose, leisure facility with pool in Marple.  This has been considering:
This phase of work will be completed shortly.

The Council has now taken a decision to proceed with a more detailed piece of work to develop a concept design for a new facility.

The Council will form a proposal from this work, which will be discussed with the local community. There will be further regular written updates.

In the meantime, any queries on the project can be directed to marplepoolproject@stockport.gov.uk
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on January 31, 2019, 10:47:04 AM
The following statement has now been published on the Life Leisure site for Marple Pool:

Updated Statement on Marple Pool: 31st January 2019

The swimming pool at Marple has been temporarily closed since March 2018 due to problems with the pool fabric and filtration system.  These [problems] meant that it was not safe for the public to continue to use the pool.  The gym has remained open.

Relevant surveys were commissioned and these indicated that the site required investment of £2.7m in the next 2 years to address a series of urgent and priority condition issues.  After consultation with local Councillors, a decision was made not to seek the investment required immediately whilst the Council looked into whether it would be more cost effective in the long term to provide a replacement facility.

Since summer 2018, the Council has been carrying out initial feasibility work to develop options for providing a modern, fit for purpose, leisure facility with pool in Marple.  This has been considering:
  •     Potential sites for a new facility
  •     The range of facilities which might be incorporated
  •     The scope for incorporating a range of additional community facilities with the leisure offer
  •     Funding options for a new facility
This phase of work will be completed shortly.

The Council has now taken a decision to proceed with a more detailed piece of work to develop a concept design for a new facility.

The Council will form a proposal from this work, which will be discussed with the local community. There will be further regular written updates.

In the meantime, any queries on the project can be directed to marplepoolproject@stockport.gov.uk
Couple of years maybe .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Blackfryers on January 31, 2019, 01:52:07 PM
Any new pool should not be considered in isolation, but designed as an integrated community facility that can also upgrade the sub-optimal range of community buildings in Marple, particularly in Memorial Park, plus other uses perhaps including the theatre. The Neighbourhood Forum - has been working on this for a year or so, but we need the Council to recognise that just replacing the pool would be a lost opportunity.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: ringi on January 31, 2019, 07:18:59 PM
Marple Medical Practice also has a location that is not great, as there is no dependable parking.  Maybe they would be interested in being part of the rebuilding project, so they can get a better location.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: jimblob on February 01, 2019, 09:54:30 AM
Marple Medical Practice also has a location that is not great, as there is no dependable parking.  Maybe they would be interested in being part of the rebuilding project, so they can get a better location.

I thought the plan was that we'd all cycle and walk in the future... no cars allowed in Marple!
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Belly on February 02, 2019, 11:01:42 AM
Please just get on with it SMBC. Over a year now, just to decide that the old pool cannot be repaired. How long to find a site, design the building, get planning, raise funds and then build it.

This should be a priority, but it really doesn’t feel like it.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on February 02, 2019, 01:51:22 PM
Please just get on with it SMBC. Over a year now, just to decide that the old pool cannot be repaired. How long to find a site, design the building, get planning, raise funds and then build it.

This should be a priority, but it really doesn’t feel like it.
I t will take a longish time you cant just build something some were even if a site is found .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Belly on February 02, 2019, 04:48:38 PM
I'd say a year to decide that you probably might want to build something, somewhere does not smack of a great deal of urgency or give me a huge amount of confidence that a new pool is likley to be available anytime soon!
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on February 02, 2019, 04:59:09 PM
I t will take a longish time you cant just build something some were even if a site is found .

Case in point.  New pool going to be built next to Hyde leisure pool.  Six lane, 25m pool.

They have the plans.  They have the site.  They have the money.

They do not have the contractors.

The first was Carillion.  Who went bust.  So they reprocured.  Only for the second contractor to pull out recently
https://tamesidereporter.com/2019/01/second-contractor-pulls-out-of-hyde-pool-extension-project/

A new pool for Marple is going to take years even if it all goes smoothly.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: jimblob on February 04, 2019, 04:05:49 PM
Case in point.  New pool going to be built next to Hyde leisure pool.  Six lane, 25m pool.
Save the money and put it towards better transport links to a larger and better pool in Hyde. We'll wait 5 years + and IF there's a decision to build a pool in Marple it'll be the size of a duck pond and probably have to accommodate them as well when they're evicted from Etherow park.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Andy on February 04, 2019, 04:32:59 PM
As I've said before, the council do have the land, they own the old Peacefield playing field. The only access to this is through the college, next to the large sports hall.

 Why not come to an arrangement with the college over use of facilities and build it there. There are the transport links, space for carparking etc etc and it could compliment the college's sports provision.

Andy
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: jimblob on February 04, 2019, 05:34:48 PM
As I've said before, the council do have the land, they own the old Peacefield playing field. The only access to this is through the college, next to the large sports hall.

 Why not come to an arrangement with the college over use of facilities and build it there. There are the transport links, space for carparking etc etc and it could compliment the college's sports provision.

Andy
Transport Links!..... Windlehurst and/or Stockport Road. Nice to see you retain a sense of humour/optimism  :-\
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Andy on February 05, 2019, 09:03:39 AM
1000 16 to 19 year olds manage it each day.

Transport Links!..... Windlehurst and/or Stockport Road. Nice to see you retain a sense of humour/optimism  :-\
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: admin on February 05, 2019, 09:28:13 AM
Why not come to an arrangement with the college over use of facilities and build it there. There are the transport links, space for carparking etc etc and it could compliment the college's sports provision.

That seems a quite logical and sensible option to me.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on February 05, 2019, 11:01:24 AM
That seems a quite logical and sensible option to me.
Would have been ok were Asda was suposed to be going .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on February 05, 2019, 11:03:53 AM
That seems a quite logical and sensible option to me.
what transport links are there .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on February 05, 2019, 11:07:05 AM
what transport links are there .

The college site is a short walk off Hibbert Lane.  Hibbert Lane is served by the hourly 375 bus (Mellor to Stockport via Stepping Hill), Monday to Saturday.  It is also served by the 394 (Glossop to Stepping Hill) that runs every two hours Monday to Friday.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: PhilB on February 05, 2019, 11:54:07 AM
As they state in the last update :
The range of facilities which might be incorporated
The scope for incorporating a range of additional community facilities with the leisure offer


The only logical location is in Memorial Park and to knock down the current community facilities ( library / senior citizens  / health centre / scouts...) obviously not the main type II listed building !!

Marple Memorial Park is at the heart of the local community, housing the library, health centre and other public buildings.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: nbt on February 05, 2019, 11:54:35 AM
The buses that currently serve the site are not particularly frequent, but then there's only one bus an hour to new mils at the moment and that's the pool that my wife is currently using

The college site is just over half a mile walk from the bus stops on Stockport Road - that distance is not exactly insurmountable and the buses there are much more frequent.

Memorial Park though would be a much better idea
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: GM on February 05, 2019, 12:23:37 PM
Memorial park would be the best solution, with all the bus routes practically passing by its doorstep.
And being close enough for all the local schools to use including those in marple bridge, possibly without needing buses.

As a temporary solution whilst the existing library is replaced, the closed pool could be covered like they did in the past for winter dances and used as the library. I'm sure the scouts hut could be used for the community groups and given a grant to cover the costs of its additional use.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on February 05, 2019, 09:03:42 PM
The college site is a short walk off Hibbert Lane.  Hibbert Lane is served by the hourly 375 bus (Mellor to Stockport via Stepping Hill), Monday to Saturday.  It is also served by the 394 (Glossop to Stepping Hill) that runs every two hours Monday to Friday.
NO buses sunday near there .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: jimblob on February 06, 2019, 10:14:59 AM
Families wanting to take their children swimming of a weekend will want to drive, they're not going to get on a bus. As things stand, they're not going to drive into Marple and use Windlehurst because it'll then cost them a set of new suspension; they won't go via Stockport Road because at weekends, the A6 in Hazel Grove is gridlocked. They'll go elsewhere and probably have lunch afterwards at an out of town retail park. We need to get real about what kind of place Marple wants to be... a retirement village landlocked because of such a poor road connections or a town that brings in affluence which will in turn encourage businesses to set up here.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: marpleexile on February 06, 2019, 12:36:25 PM
We need to get real about what kind of place Marple wants to be... a retirement village landlocked because of such a poor road connections

I thought that the NIMBY attitudes of the various local societies (eg Marple Civic Society) that claim to speak on behalf of all residents had already made it clear that this is what "we" want.  >:(
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: PhilB on February 06, 2019, 01:05:29 PM
For the purpose of the subject header, I just want a sports / leisure facility in Marple, so I don't have to travel 'to far' by land, air or sea to get to it.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: jimblob on February 06, 2019, 02:41:10 PM
For the purpose of the subject header, I just want a sports / leisure facility in Marple, so I don't have to travel 'to far' by land, air or sea to get to it.
Given the cost of building and maintaining such a facility, other people will need to come into Marple to use it though in order to make it commercially viable. You can't have it all ways
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on February 06, 2019, 02:53:58 PM
Families wanting to take their children swimming of a weekend will want to drive, they're not going to get on a bus. As things stand, they're not going to drive into Marple and use Windlehurst because it'll then cost them a set of new suspension; they won't go via Stockport Road because at weekends, the A6 in Hazel Grove is gridlocked. They'll go elsewhere and probably have lunch afterwards at an out of town retail park. We need to get real about what kind of place Marple wants to be... a retirement village landlocked because of such a poor road connections or a town that brings in affluence which will in turn encourage businesses to set up here.
Not everyone has a car .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on February 06, 2019, 03:00:35 PM
Given the cost of building and maintaining such a facility, other people will need to come into Marple to use it though in order to make it commercially viable. You can't have it all ways
The park is a good option incoporate all other facilities there Library clinic old folks meeting rooms councill ofices whats left .of course they will be the dont want it on my back door

but you have to move on .we will see in the coming months what they come up with .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: My login is Henrietta on February 15, 2019, 03:03:20 PM
As I've said before, the council do have the land, they own the old Peacefield playing field. The only access to this is through the college, next to the large sports hall.

 Why not come to an arrangement with the college over use of facilities and build it there. There are the transport links, space for carparking etc etc and it could compliment the college's sports provision.

Andy
Thank you. Buxton Lane is already a rat-run with cars and commercial vehicles avoiding the traffic chaos at the Church Lane/Hibbert Lane roundabout and the Hibbert Lane/Stockport Road junction, particularly in the morning and at school chucking-out time, to say nothing of the evening rush hour. And heaven help us all at the traffic island at the entrance to the Willows housing estate when building is complete and all the houses inhabited.

Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on February 15, 2019, 03:09:51 PM
Thank you. Buxton Lane is already a rat-run with cars and commercial vehicles avoiding the traffic chaos at the Church Lane/Hibbert Lane roundabout and the Hibbert Lane/Stockport Road junction, particularly in the morning and at school chucking-out time, to say nothing of the evening rush hour. And heaven help us all at the traffic island at the entrance to the Willows housing estate when building is complete and all the houses inhabited.
And no busses sunday .the park is the best option but as i have said it wont suite every one .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on February 18, 2019, 10:43:41 PM
To use the sorting office site, you would need to take part of the car park as well. 

If you look at the satellite imagery and compare the two, there's definitely more space at the current site - especially if you used the space between the building and pavement.
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3944499,-2.0652427,122m/data=!3m1!1e3 <- current pool
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3930709,-2.063492,112m/data=!3m1!1e3 <- sorting office
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: jimblob on February 19, 2019, 10:05:32 AM
Save the money and use it to improve the roads in and out of Marple so you can go to a larger and better equipped pool elsewhere. That way, we solve two problems. If (and I stress the word IF) Marple gets a new pool, it'll cost a fortune and to justify the cost, need to have people coming into Marple and use it from outside the locale. With our existing road infrastructure that's going to make an existing problem EVEN worse.
Marple needs to stop living in it's little bubble!
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on February 19, 2019, 10:35:57 AM
Save the money and use it to improve the roads in and out of Marple so you can go to a larger and better equipped pool elsewhere. That way, we solve two problems. If (and I stress the word IF) Marple gets a new pool, it'll cost a fortune and to justify the cost, need to have people coming into Marple and use it from outside the locale. With our existing road infrastructure that's going to make an existing problem EVEN worse.
Marple needs to stop living in it's little bubble!
Grants would be available .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on February 19, 2019, 10:38:22 AM
To use the sorting office site, you would need to take part of the car park as well. 

If you look at the satellite imagery and compare the two, there's definitely more space at the current site - especially if you used the space between the building and pavement.
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3944499,-2.0652427,122m/data=!3m1!1e3 <- current pool
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3930709,-2.063492,112m/data=!3m1!1e3 <- sorting office
could compulsory purchase the two shops on the corner making even more room still think parks best option put everything together .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: marpleexile on February 19, 2019, 03:34:41 PM
I want some of what Amazon's on..... (although I suspect it's probably illegal!)

What makes you say that.

My assumption is that whatever happens to Marple Pool's current site, be that a new leisure centre built in place, or redevelopment into something else entirely (probably housing), is that they would at least try to buy the corner plot to make it into one single development.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: wheels on February 20, 2019, 07:54:38 AM
We also need to factor into the debate about any future pool/leisure complex in Marple a consideration of the state of the Romiley Pool/leisure centre. Those who use it will know that while it it is much younger than the Marple pool it is of a certain age and built to the same poor standards of that age.  If the Romiley pool were to close or break down even if only for a short time that would leave the whole of this side of Stockport without facilities.  This needs to be continually pointed out to Stockport decision makers.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: jimblob on February 20, 2019, 10:07:04 AM
This needs to be continually pointed out to Stockport decision makers.
It's called Town Planning; there's an institute of chartered town planners (RTPI) who are supposedly competent in balancing social, economic and environmental needs to shape the way that towns and cities grow. I'm not sure "Stockport decision makers" even understand what this phrase means, let alone execute such a task. The only thing they seem to be able to build are speed humps  >:(
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: admin on March 21, 2019, 05:49:20 PM
An updated statement has been published on the status of Marple Swimming Pool today:

Updated Statement on Marple Pool: 21st March 2019

The swimming pool at Marple has been temporarily closed since March 2018 due to problems with the pool fabric and filtration system. These meant that it was not safe for the public to continue to use the pool.

Relevant surveys were commissioned and these indicated that the site required investment of £2.7m in the next 2 years to address a series of urgent and priority condition issues. After consultation with local Councillors, a decision was made not to seek the investment required immediately whilst the Council looked into whether it would be more cost effective in the long term to provide a replacement facility.

Since summer 2018, the Council has been carrying out initial feasibility work to develop options for providing a modern, fit for purpose, leisure facility with a pool in Marple. This has been considering:

• Potential sites for a new facility
• The range of facilities which might be incorporated
• The scope for incorporating a range of additional community facilities with the leisure offer
• Funding options for a new facility

Following the initial feasibility work, the project is now progressing with the development of a more detailed scheme. This will present a series of options for incorporating other community facilities alongside replacement leisure facilities, including a pool, in Marple. Once a more detailed scheme has been developed and funding options finalised, engagement will take place with users and local residents.

The Council is committed to working with Life Leisure to maintain gym provision in Marple, pending a decision regarding a replacement swimming and leisure facility. To ensure that the continued gym provision is financially viable, Life Leisure are proposing to amend the opening hours to weekdays only with effect from 1st April 2019.

There will be further regular written updates as the project progresses. The next update will be circulated in May 2019.

Any queries on the project can be directed to marplepoolproject@stockport.gov.uk

https://www.lifeleisure.net/our-centres/marple/
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: PhilB on March 21, 2019, 06:35:50 PM
Not really an update. It's the same as the last one at the end of JAN. They have sneaked in the gym is closing at the weekends. Next update it will be closing during the week too, I guess!!
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: andrewbowden on March 21, 2019, 07:18:40 PM
Not really an update. It's the same as the last one at the end of JAN. They have sneaked in the gym is closing at the weekends. Next update it will be closing during the week too, I guess!!

I had an email about the gym a few weeks ago.  Members will be allowed to use romiley at weekends (if their membership doesn't cover it already.)

Also of note is that all centres besides Grand Central and Hazel Grove will now be closed on bank holidays due to funding cuts.

Have a feeling they may not be in a massive rush on this one...
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: admin on March 21, 2019, 07:33:35 PM
If I focus on these two extracts from the updates I can maybe see some progress.

The trouble is it is taking a long time and we don't have a pool while we wait.

Updated Statement on Marple Pool: 31st January 2019

Since summer 2018, the Council has been carrying out initial feasibility work to develop options for providing a modern, fit for purpose, leisure facility with pool in Marple. 

This phase of work will be completed shortly.

The Council has now taken a decision to proceed with a more detailed piece of work to develop a concept design for a new facility.

The Council will form a proposal from this work, which will be discussed with the local community.


Updated Statement on Marple Pool: 21st March 2019

Following the initial feasibility work, the project is now progressing with the development of a more detailed scheme. This will present a series of options for incorporating other community facilities alongside replacement leisure facilities, including a pool, in Marple. Once a more detailed scheme has been developed and funding options finalised, engagement will take place with users and local residents.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: Malcolm Allan on March 24, 2019, 08:07:21 AM
I hope I can clarify and explain some things on this.

On the Gym first of all. It will help to know Life Leisure is not the Council. They are separate bodies. Life Leisure has made the decision on the gym hours, not the council. I’ve advised residents who’ve already contacted me about this to complain direct to Life Leisure. There is no plan to close the gym, and I believe the Council have asked for it to remain until a new facility is built or something forces it to close down such as structural damage or Health and Safety.

On the Pool:

1.   A meeting was held a few months ago between all local councillors, the Senior Officer responsible in the Council and the Labour cabinet Member responsible. It was agreed at this meeting that all parties would work together to ensure there is a pool with leisure facility in Marple. That is a commitment from all parties but we need 1. a site 2. the cash and 3. public acceptance of the ultimate proposal.

2.   The council commissioned the feasibility study which in the first stage has looked at possible sites, the costs involved, any necessary land purchase, size of a facility and where the cash would come from. The announcement says that has been completed so all these are feasible. They are moving to the next stage.

3.   I suggested 6 sites to the Council and I believe all have been considered.  All are within half a mile of the present baths, most much closer.

4.   The Neighbourhood Plan team proposed a new facility and a site, before the closure was known. This has been public for a long time and in every plan draft. I led that team and the preferred option was the Memorial Park. The park has the room without going into any green space, but a good facility would need the involvement, support and co-operation of the library, the occupants of the hall, the Police, the Clinic (NHS) the Scouts and the Senior Citizens’ Hall. Not all of this land is owned by the Council. I stress that was the Neighbourhood Plan opinion, not a decision!

5.   The next stage of the feasibility will include consulting relevant expert and involved bodies on whichever are now felt to be the best sites. Those consultations will be in confidence, for obvious reasons. The council do not want to propose anything until these parties have had their full say, otherwise any proposals would potentially be seriously flawed. After this, optional  plans will be drawn up.

6.   This should result in a plan and a series of options for consultation with the public. Residents will be consulted.

7.   Refurbishing the old baths is not off the table, and in my opinion remains an option if a new facility is impossible.
 
I’m trying to keep people informed; I’ve held a surgery at Romiley baths for Marple swimmers and I get asked every time I go there three times a week. I’ve also tried to keep in touch with those who contacted me via my council email. People are welcome to do this at any time via my Councillor contacts or surgeries in the area. 
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on March 24, 2019, 11:00:18 AM
I hope I can clarify and explain some things on this.

On the Gym first of all. It will help to know Life Leisure is not the Council. They are separate bodies. Life Leisure has made the decision on the gym hours, not the council. I’ve advised residents who’ve already contacted me about this to complain direct to Life Leisure. There is no plan to close the gym, and I believe the Council have asked for it to remain until a new facility is built or something forces it to close down such as structural damage or Health and Safety.

On the Pool:

1.   A meeting was held a few months ago between all local councillors, the Senior Officer responsible in the Council and the Labour cabinet Member responsible. It was agreed at this meeting that all parties would work together to ensure there is a pool with leisure facility in Marple. That is a commitment from all parties but we need 1. a site 2. the cash and 3. public acceptance of the ultimate proposal.

2.   The council commissioned the feasibility study which in the first stage has looked at possible sites, the costs involved, any necessary land purchase, size of a facility and where the cash would come from. The announcement says that has been completed so all these are feasible. They are moving to the next stage.

3.   I suggested 6 sites to the Council and I believe all have been considered.  All are within half a mile of the present baths, most much closer.

4.   The Neighbourhood Plan team proposed a new facility and a site, before the closure was known. This has been public for a long time and in every plan draft. I led that team and the preferred option was the Memorial Park. The park has the room without going into any green space, but a good facility would need the involvement, support and co-operation of the library, the occupants of the hall, the Police, the Clinic (NHS) the Scouts and the Senior Citizens’ Hall. Not all of this land is owned by the Council. I stress that was the Neighbourhood Plan opinion, not a decision!

5.   The next stage of the feasibility will include consulting relevant expert and involved bodies on whichever are now felt to be the best sites. Those consultations will be in confidence, for obvious reasons. The council do not want to propose anything until these parties have had their full say, otherwise any proposals would potentially be seriously flawed. After this, optional  plans will be drawn up.

6.   This should result in a plan and a series of options for consultation with the public. Residents will be consulted.

7.   Refurbishing the old baths is not off the table, and in my opinion remains an option if a new facility is impossible.
 
I’m trying to keep people informed; I’ve held a surgery at Romiley baths for Marple swimmers and I get asked every time I go there three times a week. I’ve also tried to keep in touch with those who contacted me via my council email. People are welcome to do this at any time via my Councillor contacts or surgeries in the area.
Thank you for very infomative update .
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: marpleexile on March 25, 2019, 09:25:03 AM
3.   I suggested 6 sites to the Council and I believe all have been considered.  All are within half a mile of the present baths, most much closer.

Curious what the 6 sites are. Can think of Memorial Park, Peacefield Playing field and the Rec. Which ones am I missing?
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: wheels on March 25, 2019, 11:23:39 AM
I would assume the existing site is one of the six.
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: amazon on March 25, 2019, 12:43:51 PM
Curious what the 6 sites are. Can think of Memorial Park, Peacefield Playing field and the Rec. Which ones am I missing?
Marple hall ,college
Title: Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
Post by: ringi on March 25, 2019, 08:41:13 PM
Marple hall

That site would be great for me, but it is too far from most people in Marple