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Archive => Archived Boards => Local Issues => Topic started by: GM on May 24, 2016, 09:08:13 PM
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Looks like another housing development in the very centre of Marple.
Emery planning have put through a proposal for the site between the garage and the off-licence on church lane. Which includes the demolition of the E&E overalls building and neighbouring two empty shops and building behind them, to create 24 apartments and parking.
The sketches include for a junction opposite the dentists and a side road through the off-licence car park onto the roundabout.
www.emeryplanning.com should have the details from tomorrow.
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Please see the attached community consultation
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That's the Albert Schools building. It looks as if it's been going downhill for a long time:
From 1968
(http://www.visitmarple.co.uk/photos/albums/uploads/new/mlhs12/albert-schools-1968.jpg)
From 2002
(http://www.visitmarple.co.uk/photos/albums/uploads/new/misc/AlbertSchool2002.jpg)
It looks pretty terrible now.
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Here's a direct link to the Consultation page on the Emery Planning Site:
http://www.emeryplanning.com/index.php/public-consultation/church-menu
And you can make comments via the site here: http://www.emeryplanning.com/index.php/steps-church
Here's the before and after plans:
(http://www.emeryplanning.com/cache/widgetkit/gallery/188/Site%20Location%20Plan-d7658f67b5.jpg)
(http://www.emeryplanning.com/cache/widgetkit/gallery/185/Layout-6838263e23.jpg)
Seems a shame not to use the off-licence building and car park too. That's going to look a bit tatty stuck on the end.
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At a quick glance this looks like a good scheme, and hopefully these will be 'affordable' places for first-time buyers.
But I agree that it would be better still if it extended to the junction and replaced 'Chirch Lane Stores' (sic) and its little car park.
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make a good site for a small, good quality supermarket..
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make a good site for a small, good quality supermarket..
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Yes, perfect place for a Waitrose
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The plot would become even better if the garage site could be purchased too. Residential, retail or a maybe even a combination.
If I was a neighbour of the site I'd probably prefer residential. Be interesting to know how neighbours feel.
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It would be nice if there was some 1 bed room and studio flats rather then all 2 bed, however I expect the requirement to provide a parking space for each flat stopped that, so not allowing cheaper flats to be built.
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That's the Albert Schools building. It looks as if it's been going downhill for a long time:
It looks pretty terrible now.
It's a magnificent looking building. It would be a great pity to lose it.
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It's a magnificent looking building. It would be a great pity to lose it.
Then put in a offer, buy it yourself and put it to a good usage..... Otherwise don't complain when someone else takes action to provide much needed housing.
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It's a magnificent looking building. It would be a great pity to lose it.
The building inside is in a terrible state and would require massive reworking to make it habitable. Much easier to knock it down and purpose build something that meets current building regulations.
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I'm sure far more dilapidated buildings have been renovated for similar cause. This scheme looks thoroughly unimaginative and I don't understand the thinking behind knocking that building down and then having a damn car park fronting onto the street, while two large apartment buildings are stuck at the back completely overlooking existing residents homes.
It also seems a real shame that the (former retail?) units fronting the top of Market St can't be brought back into that use. There will surely be demand at some point, as local centres seem to flourish with independents and cafes (great location just down from the canal too). Even if they were demolished and this end of the centre given a mini supermarket it would be better and help to gently expand the retail centre and provide some choice.
Having a bland apartment building looking down Market St and a car park in place of that characterful piece of history seems a poor aspiration.
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New supermarket? Really?
I think we have plenty of choice in Marple. All the local independent shops sell everything we need along with Iceland, co-op and Asda.
We went to Poynton a couple of weeks ago. What a shock to see this delightful village full of supermarkets. Waitrose and a large Aldi with many smaller ones.
This once had a great butcher, greengrocer and bakery. Although it did look like a new bakery was starting up.
Surely we don't want Marple to go down the same route.
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New supermarket? Really?
I think we have plenty of choice in Marple. All the local independent shops sell everything we need along with Iceland, co-op and Asda.
We went to Poynton a couple of weeks ago. What a shock to see this delightful village full of supermarkets. Waitrose and a large Aldi with many smaller ones.
This once had a great butcher, greengrocer and bakery. Although it did look like a new bakery was starting up.
Surely we don't want Marple to go down the same route.
Just what we need in Marple if we had room to build them .
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It would be nice if there was some 1 bed room and studio flats rather then all 2 bed, however I expect the requirement to provide a parking space for each flat stopped that, so not allowing cheaper flats to be built.
Why? Are you unaware that those of us who live alone actually enjoy having visitors to stay?
Why should we be expected to be ghetto-ised in one bedroom flats, to say nothing of a rabbit hutch that used to be called a bed-sit?
It's time people who should know better started treating widow/ers, spinsters and bachelors like all other tax payers rather than nuisances to be swept under the carpet.
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I'm sure far more dilapidated buildings have been renovated for similar cause. This scheme looks thoroughly unimaginative and I don't understand the thinking behind knocking that building down and then having a damn car park fronting onto the street, while two large apartment buildings are stuck at the back completely overlooking existing residents homes.
It also seems a real shame that the (former retail?) units fronting the top of Market St can't be brought back into that use. There will surely be demand at some point, as local centres seem to flourish with independents and cafes (great location just down from the canal too). Even if they were demolished and this end of the centre given a mini supermarket it would be better and help to gently expand the retail centre and provide some choice.
Having a bland apartment building looking down Market St and a car park in place of that characterful piece of history seems a poor aspiration.
When the shop on the right as you look at them from Market Street and which was a sweet shop called "The Bon Bon" closed and came up for sale, I remember my father (who at the time, was a big(gish) bug in the then Chamber of Trade) commenting that it would be difficult to sell it as a shop as there was a covenant on the property which restricted its use as a retail outlet. I was only in my teens so I can't remember the details but doubtless someone else knows.
Further to Market Street, I sat outside "All Things Nice", having coffee, a week or so ago and it struck me how tatty Market Street was looking with cheap-looking shop fronts (with a few exceptions). The general appearance of the street doesn't look exactly inviting to shoppers who don't know the area very well.
I found it quite sad.
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The planning application for this is now on the Stockport MBC website - reference DC/065826. Full title "Demolition of existing buildings and erection of mixed use development comprising 20 apartments and A1 retail floorspace".
It looks very similar to the initial consultation scheme EXCEPT THAT the ground floor of the building near the road is now a shop. Originally there were 24 apartments.
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When the shop on the right as you look at them from Market Street and which was a sweet shop called "The Bon Bon" closed and came up for sale, I remember my father (who at the time, was a big(gish) bug in the then Chamber of Trade) commenting that it would be difficult to sell it as a shop as there was a covenant on the property which restricted its use as a retail outlet. I was only in my teens so I can't remember the details but doubtless someone else knows.
Further to Market Street, I sat outside "All Things Nice", having coffee, a week or so ago and it struck me how tatty Market Street was looking with cheap-looking shop fronts (with a few exceptions). The general appearance of the street doesn't look exactly inviting to shoppers who don't know the area very well.
I found it quite sad.
You're right, Marple has been in a slow decline for years and really needs a kick up the arse to bring it in to this century! Market street could be fabulous and a place where people from outside Marple come to shop / eat and could really benefit the community with jobs etc.
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You're right, Marple has been in a slow decline for years and really needs a kick up the arse to bring it in to this century! Market street could be fabulous and a place where people from outside Marple come to shop / eat and could really benefit the community with jobs etc.
yes it is in decline afraid what with Banks closing and going part time . noticed the ladies knicker shop is closing as well .its not very inviting at the moment Marple
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yes it is in decline afraid what with Banks closing and going part time . noticed the ladies knicker shop is closing as well .its not very inviting at the moment Marple
Banks are closing everywhere. There is nothing unique to Marple on that front. There is a Lloyds closing soon near Piccadilly bus station but that doesn't mean Manchester city centre is dying. Just that the business model of banks is changing due to the majority of people preferring to bank online. I go into a branch once or twice a year. I dislike branches closing but realistically I don't go in them.
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I agree that Marple is in decline. It is no longer the viberant town that it was twenty/thirty years ago. It has become run down and has to many charity shops. The charity shop in the old blockbuster shop looks scruffy!!
If you look at the regeneration of Poynton- in my opinion this has been a success and people travel to go there!! We need to encourage more specialist shops to open up in Marple - encourage the existing shops to open later. The Wednesday half day closing is out of date. Marple has the potential to be a great place that people choose to visit.
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I agree that Marple is in decline. It is no longer the viberant town that it was twenty/thirty years ago. It has become run down and has to many charity shops. The charity shop in the old blockbuster shop looks scruffy!!
If you look at the regeneration of Poynton- in my opinion this has been a success and people travel to go there!! We need to encourage more specialist shops to open up in Marple - encourage the existing shops to open later. The Wednesday half day closing is out of date. Marple has the potential to be a great place that people choose to visit.
Umm, Market Street is a pretty good "centre". Unfortunately, the "improvements" over the last 30 years have made it a mess with cheap, tatty shop fronts replacing the C19 ones. The people responsible for the trees, the herb beds and the benches do their best but are fighting a losing battle.
I was only wondering the other day what the Portas money had been frittered on.
I lived on Market Street as a child when many of the properties were lived in by the shop owners and again in the early '80s when I lived over my father's shop and was the only resident in the street. I'm glad to see that more of the flats above the shops are occupied again.
The row attached to the Bull's Head and which carries a plaque giving the age of the properties - built in the year of the battle of Trafalgar! The row was sheduled for slum clearance just before the second World War - saved by Hitler and not many can say that! It's a pity that no-one saw fit to try and get Market street made a conservation area before the "developers" (hollow laugh!) got their sticky little paws on it.
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Can anyone give an update on this proposed development, there hasn't been any new forum postings and no signs onsite of anything starting soon.
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Can anyone give an update on this proposed development, there hasn't been any new forum postings and no signs onsite of anything starting soon.
According to the Planning Portal the status is still just "registered". It doesn't show that it has been either granted or refused.
I suspect this means that they're having a rethink but I'm not certain of that.
To see follow the link below and search for DC/06582
http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData-live/ (http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData-live/)
I've also heard a rumour that there is to be a new retail outlet on the site of Church Lane Garage but cannot find anything to confirm this.
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Thanks Admin , 👍🏻
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To resurrect this topic - there are now revised planning application documents on the Stockport Planning website:
http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData-live/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=OQ22Y9PJHUW00 (http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData-live/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=OQ22Y9PJHUW00).
There seems to be hardly any change from the original. Disabled places and bin locations have been shuffled round in the car park. but the basic structure of 3 storey apartments and a shop seems unchanged. The consultation expiry date is now 18th July. This could be a cunning plan by the developers to retrigger the consultation process with only a short period to respond. I don't know if previous comments still stand, or if they have to be re-submitted.
So - please make your feelings known to Stockport Council!
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Still a shame they can't incorporate the ghastly off-licence as well.
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The latest plans for this development are up for consideration at Marple Area Committee on Wednesday.
Here (hopefully) is a link to the application:
http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData-live/applicationDetails.do?keyVal=OQ22Y9PJHUW00&activeTab=summary (http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData-live/applicationDetails.do?keyVal=OQ22Y9PJHUW00&activeTab=summary)
These links sometimes expire so if it doesn't work search the portal (http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData-live/) for DC/065826 | Demolition of existing buildings and erection of mixed use development comprising 20 apartments and A1 retail floorspace (Amended Plans).
I still think it's a great shame that the eyesore shop and car park on the corner of Hibbert Lane (Chirch Lane Stores) is not being included in this scheme.
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I still think it's a great shame that the eyesore shop and car park on the corner of Hibbert Lane (Chirch Lane Stores) is not being included in this scheme.
Have any of the councillors looked into the option of the council using their powers to forcefully buy it?
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I am not particularly clear why it is considered an eyesore. It just looks like a shop to me. It has a frontage. It has signs.
It's not the best shop in the world but it's open and - presumably - makes enough money to keep it open. Compared to some other shops nearby, there is nothing wrong with it in my eyes.
An eyesore to me would be derelict, overgrown, rotting, falling down. Neither the shop building nor the car park fit that description. Certainly i can see no justification for compulsory purchase.
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As reported in the Area Committee thread, the planning application for 92-94 Church Lane was recommended for refusal by Marple Councillors, but it will now go to the Planning and Highways committee for a final decision. This is on Thursday 22 November at 6pm and it can be watched live or on catch-up via the council's webcast system using this link: https://stockport.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/385295 (https://stockport.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/385295)
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Here's an article about this application on the Place Northwest web site:
https://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/marple-mixed-use-and-cheadle-care-home-face-committee/ (https://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/marple-mixed-use-and-cheadle-care-home-face-committee/)
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Application for houses Church Lane 92 - 24 has been approved tonight at the planning meeting.
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Application for houses Church Lane 92 - 24 has been approved tonight at the planning meeting.
That's right. I was surprised that nobody even mentioned the Marple Area Committee recommendation to refuse, let alone discuss it, and you can see why our own councillors were concerned about that. You can watch it back via the link below. Look out for the views of Cllr. Philip Harding (Edgeley & Cheadle Heath) who is obviously much more knowledgable about what Marple needs than our own six local councillors!
https://stockport.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/385295/start_time/1502000
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With it approved, I wonder how long it will take before the retailer is announced. I am assuming there is one lined up. Given there is a cash machine on the plans, it screams mini supermarket to me.
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That's right. I was surprised that nobody even mentioned the Marple Area Committee recommendation to refuse, let alone discuss it, and you can see why our own councillors were concerned about that. You can watch it back via the link below. Look out for the views of Cllr. Philip Harding (Edgeley & Cheadle Heath) who is obviously much more knowledgable about what Marple needs than our own six local councillors!
https://stockport.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/385295/start_time/1502000 (https://stockport.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/385295/start_time/1502000)
Agree there admin i enjoyed watching this last night .can you tell me what dates the planning meetings are .there will be one local planning application that i am interested in .
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Agree there admin i enjoyed watching this last night .can you tell me what dates the planning meetings are .there will be one local planning application that i am interested in .
Not all applications go to the Planning and Highways Committee, some go to the Area Committee and some are decided just by the planners. There's a set of criteria that decides what the approval level has to be and I think it includes the number of objections received.
The next Planning and Highways meetings are 10 January and 14 February, see here: http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/ieListMeetings.aspx?CommitteeId=150
The Marple Area Committee meetings are always announced in their own thread.
Which planning application is it that you are interested in?
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Not all applications go to the Planning and Highways Committee, some go to the Area Committee and some are decided just by the planners. There's a set of criteria that decides what the approval level has to be and I think it includes the number of objections received.
The next Planning and Highways meetings are 10 January and 14 February, see here: http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/ieListMeetings.aspx?CommitteeId=150 (http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/ieListMeetings.aspx?CommitteeId=150)
The Marple Area Committee meetings are always announced in their own thread.
Which planning application is it that you are interested in?
DC/071375 I have not objected to this just interested being across from me. It looks good wont see a lot of it its down bottom of garden
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DC/071375 I have not objected to this just interested being across from me. It looks good wont see a lot of it its down bottom of garden
I'm not sure if this will be called up (for Committee review).
What you can do is find it on the Planning Portal and then track it - you will have to register to do that. I think you will then get email updates.The other thing is to keep your eye on Area Committee agendas. If it does get called up I think it will go to Marple Area Committee first.
http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData-live/search.do?action=simple&searchType=Application
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I'm not sure if this will be called up (for Committee review).
What you can do is find it on the Planning Portal and then track it - you will have to register to do that. I think you will then get email updates.The other thing is to keep your eye on Area Committee agendas. If it does get called up I think it will go to Marple Area Committee first.
http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData-live/search.do?action=simple&searchType=Application
Thanks for your help
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With it approved, I wonder how long it will take before the retailer is announced. I am assuming there is one lined up. Given there is a cash machine on the plans, it screams mini supermarket to me.
Perfect for a small M&S Food, fingers crossed. I can understand the residents annoyed that they decided to place the two buildings at the back of the site, and certainly having parking fronting the road where the more historic building was isn’t ideal, but at least they altered the plans to provide some activity and retail fronting market street. With the right well-known name it could have a great effect, book-ending the main shopping area between here and Asda and drawing footfall between the two... and finally some choice.
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Perfect for a small M&S Food, fingers crossed. I can understand the residents annoyed that they decided to place the two buildings at the back of the site, and certainly having parking fronting the road where the more historic building was isn’t ideal, but at least they altered the plans to provide some activity and retail fronting market street. With the right well-known name it could have a great effect, book-ending the main shopping area between here and Asda and drawing footfall between the two... and finally some choice.
I did run through the "usual" suspects in my mind. Sainsburys and Tesco are obvious candidates. As is M&S. But with Sainsburys buying Asda, that seems less likely. Co-op would be another. But there's one here already. Not that that necessarily means anything. I used to live somewhere where Tesco bought a much loved pub, closed it down and turned it into a Tesco Express. The nearest Tesco Express to that? A mere 100m away...
We will see. I could be reading too much into the fact that there's a cash machine in the plans. But quite often these things are tied up ahead of the planning application being granted. Some years ago I lived near another pub that was sold and shut down. The owners put in planning permission to convert the garden for housing, rebuild the upstairs for flats but keep the ground floor as a "pub/bar". And within days of planning permission being granted it was announced Sainsburys would be moving in. There'd never been any intention to keep it as a pub. It had been a done deal from day one. Anyway, that's by the by, but it shows the planning and preparation that goes into these kind of developments.
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A petition has been started by local people who want to try and save the Albert Schools building.
Albert Schools Petition link (https://www.change.org/p/councillor-andy-sorton-save-the-albert-schools-building-in-marple-uk-from-demolition-5582488c-0485-4f78-bbbb-18e52d889947)
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Irrespective of what you may thinm of this descision people seem to wilfully not understand the planning process.
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Irrespective of what you may thinm of this descision people seem to wilfully not understand the planning process.
I was thinking that myself.
Incidentally, I was once told by a councillor NEVER EVER sign a petition when it comes to planning. That's because - in their council at least - a petition is counted as one submission in the planning process. Doesn't matter how many people sign it - that's irrelevant. It's one submission.
And it's the number of submissions that are important. So if you object or support a planning application and someone wants you to sign a petition about it, don't. Write a letter instead. That way you know for sure it will be counted and tallied.
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A petition has been started by local people who want to try and save the Albert Schools building.
Albert Schools Petition link (https://www.change.org/p/councillor-andy-sorton-save-the-albert-schools-building-in-marple-uk-from-demolition-5582488c-0485-4f78-bbbb-18e52d889947)
(https://assets.change.org/photos/0/am/hq/TVamHqPdKjgKiOD-800x450-noPad.jpg?1543789251)
To late, given how long the building was on the market for, they could have brought it themselves and done something with it.
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A petition has been started by local people who want to try and save the Albert Schools building.
Albert Schools Petition link (https://www.change.org/p/councillor-andy-sorton-save-the-albert-schools-building-in-marple-uk-from-demolition-5582488c-0485-4f78-bbbb-18e52d889947)
(https://assets.change.org/photos/0/am/hq/TVamHqPdKjgKiOD-800x450-noPad.jpg?1543789251)
For what its a mess needs coming down .move on
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To late, given how long the building was on the market for, they could have brought it themselves and done something with it.
I agree that it's far too late to do anything about this now but I'm not aware of the building even coming on the open market. The first time I was aware of anything going on was when I started this thread in May 2016. This was when Emery Planning were consulting on their first proposals: http://www.emeryplanning.com/public-consultation/92-94-church-lane-marple/ (http://www.emeryplanning.com/public-consultation/92-94-church-lane-marple/)
I don't see how a petition or anything else can make any difference at this late stage after the plans are approved but maybe people have to learn that for themselves.
Somehow people need to become more aware of what is going on around them at the start rather than when it's all done and dusted. However, I didn't see that as a reason not to share the petition.
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I agree that it's far too late to do anything about this now but I'm not aware of the building even coming on the open market. The first time I was aware of anything going on was when I started this thread in May 2016. This was when Emery Planning were consulting on their first proposals: http://www.emeryplanning.com/public-consultation/92-94-church-lane-marple/ (http://www.emeryplanning.com/public-consultation/92-94-church-lane-marple/)
I don't see how a petition or anything else can make any difference at this late stage after the plans are approved but maybe people have to learn that for themselves.
Somehow people need to become more aware of what is going on around them at the start rather than when it's all done and dusted. However, I didn't see that as a reason not to share the petition.
And do what with it
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And do what with it
The petition? Whatever they want to do with it.
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But doesn't sharing the petition give false hope to those who started it, is it not better to feed back to them your perfectly sensible comments about it being too late and people must try and understand what's going on around them and learn how the system works.
I don't see how a petition or anything else can make any difference at this late stage after the plans are approved but maybe people have to learn that for themselves.
Somehow people need to become more aware of what is going on around them at the start rather than when it's all done and dusted. However, I didn't see that as a reason not to share the petition.
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Paid a trip to E&E Workwear in the old Albert Schools building on Church Lane today to record it for posterity before demolition:
Over 80 photos now on the Virtual History Tour: https://visitmarple.co.uk/photos/thumbnails.php?album=192
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End of a era today. I have run around this place since I was a little girl. :'(
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End of a era today. I have run around this place since I was a little girl. :'(
Good luck to you all.
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Are they relocating or was it just another case of management with the right price? Good luck to you all in what ever you do especially my ex neighbour x
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Nope they have closed the doors for good.
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Some more great photos of the staff at E&E Workwear in the Albert Schools building on their last day taken by Arthur Procter have been added to the Virtual History Tour:
https://visitmarple.co.uk/photos/thumbnails.php?album=lastup&cat=-192
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Some more great photos of the staff at E&E Workwear in the Albert Schools building on their last day taken by Arthur Procter have been added to the Virtual History Tour:
https://visitmarple.co.uk/photos/thumbnails.php?album=lastup&cat=-192
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Like the bacon butty on the table
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Albert Schools is no longer. Didn't take long to demolish it. RIP.
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Albert Schools is no longer. Didn't take long to demolish it. RIP.
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Albert Schools is no longer. Didn't take long to demolish it. RIP.
Sad that they couldn't incorporate the Albert Schools' frontage in the re-build. Marple has lost too much of it's originality over the years.
Rumour has it that there is to be a "Convenience Store" on the ground floor front. One would think there is enough empty commercial property in Marple without building more.
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Sad that they couldn't incorporate the Albert Schools' frontage in the re-build. Marple has lost too much of it's originality over the years.
Rumour has it that there is to be a "Convenience Store" on the ground floor front. One would think there is enough empty commercial property in Marple without building more.
What we know from the planning applications are thus:
- It's going to be retail
- They've got planning permission for a cash machine
- They've got someone lined up to take it.
- They've asked - on behalf of the prospective tenant - for opening hours to be 7am-11pm seven days a week
That just screams small supermarket. Something akin to the Co-op, a Tesco Express or Sainsburys Local. What other shops that size almost always have a cash machine, and open that kind of hours? There isn't anything. The only question in my mind is who is the tenant? One of the big companies, or someone else.
And yes, there's empty shops in Marple. But nothing that's big enough to house something like a Tesco Express. Even the old Natwest would be too small. The old Post Office certainly is. There's a reason Tesco have taken over/destroyed several large pubs to make into supermarkets. That's the size of building they want.
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What we know from the planning applications are thus:
- It's going to be retail
- They've got planning permission for a cash machine
- They've got someone lined up to take it.
- They've asked - on behalf of the prospective tenant - for opening hours to be 7am-11pm seven days a week
That just screams small supermarket. Something akin to the Co-op, a Tesco Express or Sainsburys Local. What other shops that size almost always have a cash machine, and open that kind of hours? There isn't anything. The only question in my mind is who is the tenant? One of the big companies, or someone else.
And yes, there's empty shops in Marple. But nothing that's big enough to house something like a Tesco Express. Even the old Natwest would be too small. The old Post Office certainly is. There's a reason Tesco have taken over/destroyed several large pubs to make into supermarkets. That's the size of building they want.
I have heard a strong rumour that it will actually be the Co-Op! Of course this may not be true, it is only rumour as far as I know.
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I have heard a strong rumour that it will actually be the Co-Op! Of course this may not be true, it is only rumour as far as I know.
Some years ago I lived near a pub. It was a busy pub. But Tesco bought it, shut it down and opened a Tesco Express there.
That new Tesco Express was a mere 100 metres from an already existing branch of Tesco Express (in that case a petrol station.) You could walk it in about two minutes. To this day both Tescos still exist.
So the fact that there's a Co-op five minutes walk away already is certainly no reason for it not to be another Co-op! Indeed, not far from where I used to live there are now two Co-ops both within five minutes walk of each other.
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One would think there is enough empty commercial property in Marple without building more.
My perception of Marple's shops is that there are not that many empty ones and it is much better than when we moved here in the late 80s.
Currently I can think of:
- Barnardo's and the one next to it that are currently being refurbished - I had heard that Barnardo's was coming back but it looks like it is going to be a new double-fronted store atm.
- Room 85 - which has recently been taken over and will reopen soon.
- Comix - next to Beer Traders, and which I heard Traders were hoping to extend into.
- Chooies - which is being split into two new premises.
- The former Post Office, which I understand now has permission to become a restaurant / bar.
- The offices above Mackays.
I'm sure there must be others but it doesn't seem too bad to me compared to many High Streets.
How many others are there and what do we know of their prospects?
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My perception of Marple's shops is that there are not that many empty ones and it is much better than when we moved here in the late 80s.
Currently I can think of:
- Barnardo's and the one next to it that are currently being refurbished - I had heard that Barnardo's was coming back but it looks like it is going to be a new double-fronted store atm.
- Room 85 - which has recently been taken over and will reopen soon.
- Comix - next to Beer Traders, and which I heard Traders were hoping to extend into.
- Chooies - which is being split into two new premises.
- The former Post Office, which I understand now has permission to become a restaurant / bar.
- The offices above Mackays.
I'm sure there must be others but it doesn't seem too bad to me compared to many High Streets.
How many others are there and what do we know of their prospects?
Beer Traders had a premises license application to spread into the Comix shop. I presume it was approved as it's not on the list, and there's work going on in there. I can't find the actual register for licenses.
Chiu's, there were some planning applications about re-configuring the building (application DC/071198), approved in January. Plan was to split out the living accommodation with an external staircase, and retain a takeaway downstairs. The documents imply the takeaway would be extended with a seating area.
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I have heard a strong rumour that it will actually be the Co-Op! Of course this may not be true, it is only rumour as far as I know.
That wouldn’t surprise me. I can imagine that they would be interested in opening a bigger convenience store than the very small one at the Texaco garage. And then maybe giving up the Texaco site?
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The Coop probably wouldn't give up the texaco. They make to much money on the over inflated fuel prices.
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Albert Schools is now a pile of bricks
Thanks to David Burridge we now have a selection of photos on the Virtual History Tour showing the state of play on Saturday 22 June:
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Managed to accidentally stumble on this PDF whilst searching Google for something else.
https://realla-media.freetls.fastly.net/uploads/property/brochures/original/jdOavA5nMXWbObsXGAXEQQ
Basically Co-op is lined up on a fifteen year lease on the retail unit, as has been the rumour for a while.
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Great news, I can't stand ASDA and the Coop will be well frequented by me.
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Yes, excellent news. :)
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Yes, excellent news. :)
Pity its not the whole area .
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Pity its not the whole area .
Agreed.
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The Coop probably wouldn't give up the texaco. They make to much money on the over inflated fuel prices.
I asked the other day when I was picking up groceries at the Co-op and they will be staying there.
And on the issue of the Co-op's grocery prices - I went into Asda with a friend a while back. (I don't use Asda myself as I don't approve of its parent company's attitude to its suppliers and staff). I was shocked at how expensive their food is! Co-op for me -
My Co-op savings over the year paid for a weekend in a hotel when I was attending a reunion last October!
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I asked the other day when I was picking up groceries at the Co-op and they will be staying there.
And on the issue of the Co-op's grocery prices - I went into Asda with a friend a while back. (I don't use Asda myself as I don't approve of its parent company's attitude to its suppliers and staff). I was shocked at how expensive their food is! Co-op for me -
My Co-op savings over the year paid for a weekend in a hotel when I was attending a reunion last October!
Very good coop for you then
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It's taking forever to get things going on the Albert Schools site. Is there a problem with footings for the new buildings?
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I asked the other day when I was picking up groceries at the Co-op and they will be staying there.
Hmm. I wouldn't bank on that. No doubt the Co-op will keep the Texaco garage site open for a while after the new branch has opened, but if the takings go down at Texaco (which they probably will), then I should imagine they will give it up.
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Hmm. I wouldn't bank on that. No doubt the Co-op will keep the Texaco garage site open for a while after the new branch has opened, but if the takings go down at Texaco (which they probably will), then I should imagine they will give it up.
I used to near a Tesco Express Petrol Express in South West London. Tesco bought a pub 100m away, closed it down and opened another Tesco Express in the pub building.
Both Tesco Expresses remain open to this day.
I'm pretty sure Co-op wouldn't be taking on another store if they didn't think they can make having two work. Given the position of the new store, I suspect it's likely to be Asda and Iceland that stand to lose from it. But equally it could bring in more customers due to the sheer convenience of having a late opening store on their doorstep.
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I used to near a Tesco Express Petrol Express in South West London. Tesco bought a pub 100m away, closed it down and opened another Tesco Express in the pub building.
Both Tesco Expresses remain open to this day.
I'm pretty sure Co-op wouldn't be taking on another store if they didn't think they can make having two work. Given the position of the new store, I suspect it's likely to be Asda and Iceland that stand to lose from it. But equally it could bring in more customers due to the sheer convenience of having a late opening store on their doorstep.
shame its not going to be bigger ideal place would have been sorting office they could then go to the old baths site put another floor in remodernise with latest sortin machinery .
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They make to much money on the over inflated fuel prices.
Diesel 132.9 versus cheapest in stockport - ASDA 123.7 !!
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They make to much money on the over inflated fuel prices.
Diesel 132.9 versus cheapest in stockport - ASDA 123.7 !!
Asda dont have .petrol in marple
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They make to much money on the over inflated fuel prices.
Diesel 132.9 versus cheapest in stockport - ASDA 123.7 !!
Not sure which Asda you're talking but the nearest Asda with a petrol station is Reddish. Sainsburys at Hazel Grove was 127.9 last night.
Although to put that in context, 40 litres of diesel at Texaco at 132.9 would cost you £53.16
And 40 litres of diesel Sainsburys Hazel Grove would cost you £51.16 - a whopping £2 less.
And for comparison, 40 litres at a station with a price of 123.7 comes out at £49.48. A saving of £3.86.
Yes the price is higher, but when you do the maths, you are simply not saving that much money going elsewhere. If I'm going past a cheaper petrol station anyway and I need fuel, I'll fill up there. But if I need to fill up and I'm not, well frankly the money I'm going to save rarely justifies going out of my way.
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The location of the cheapest petrol station is irrelevant! I was simply stating, by comparison, the coop inflate the fuel prices. You didn't need to waste your time calculating the 'whopping' difference in price per litre per mile !! I am aware of this basic calculation.
I don't think they will give up the station.
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The location of the cheapest petrol station is irrelevant! I was simply stating, by comparison, the coop inflate the fuel prices. You didn't need to waste your time calculating the 'whopping' difference in price per litre per mile !! I am aware of this basic calculation.
I don't think they will give up the station.
Given their prices are very similar to most over non supermarket petrol stations locally, perhaps they aren't inflating prices but major supermarkets are using petrol as a loss leader or promotional device (hint: they do.)
I would also say that 5p difference from the nearest supermarket is not inflated. By the calculations I have given, it is clearly only a minor price difference. Now if it was 20-30p different, I would say you may have a point.
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The Co-op don't own the Texaco fuel station. They are co-located and the Co-op just handle the transactions for Texaco. Therefore their prices are about right for the only other station in town, the Shell garage. I'm with Andrew on this; if I need to fill up I do it when I'm passing somewhere or just use the nearest. My time is worth more than the few pounds I'd save by driving out of town just to fill up.
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Bloody hell I wish I never said it now. I still don't think the COOP will give up the TEXACO station. Because it is established, very busy and they wont want another convenience / supermarket chain to take it over??
Not that it is relevant, I too buy fuel as an when I need it. I don't waste my time driving around wasting fuel trying to find a whopping saving on fuel prices. That would be just stupid.
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Bloody hell I wish I never said it now. I still don't think the COOP will give up the TEXACO station. Because it is established, very busy and they wont want another convenience / supermarket chain to take it over??
Not that it is relevant, I too buy fuel as an when I need it. I don't waste my time driving around wasting fuel trying to find a whopping saving on fuel prices. That would be just stupid.
Your learning .
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It's taking forever to get things going on the Albert Schools site. Is there a problem with footings for the new buildings?
In an attempt to veer the conversation away from petrol prices, I would say to this enquiry that there probably haven't been any particular problems with the "footings" but there will have been quite a lot of below ground works including drainage and foundations for the main structural steel frame, which you can now see going up. Things will appear to happen more quickly now.
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In an attempt to veer the conversation away from petrol prices, I would say to this enquiry that there probably haven't been any particular problems with the "footings" but there will have been quite a lot of below ground works including drainage and foundations for the main structural steel frame, which you can now see going up. Things will appear to happen more quickly now.
I noticed the steel frame seemed to have appeared quite quickly the other day. I was wondering if they were prioritising the retail unit to get it open. But it could just be the that it's easier to get it up and running.
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I noticed the steel frame seemed to have appeared quite quickly the other day. I was wondering if they were prioritising the retail unit to get it open. But it could just be the that it's easier to get it up and running.
There was a very large crane on site saturday .
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The front of the site needed piling and a lot of concete beams for the footing, I assume due to the old basement that was filled in. Block/brickwork seems to be making progress at the back of the site.
I expect the footings needed to be measured by the steelworks company before the could start making the steals for the shop, as otherwise, it is not clear who to blame if they don't fit.
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Bloody hell I wish I never said it now. I still don't think the COOP will give up the TEXACO station. Because it is established, very busy and they wont want another convenience / supermarket chain to take it over??
Not that it is relevant, I too buy fuel as an when I need it. I don't waste my time driving around wasting fuel trying to find a whopping saving on fuel prices. That would be just stupid.
According to one of the assistants in the Co-op shop part of the Texaco station Co-op will remain on that site when the proposed Co-op shop on the Albert Schools site opens.
Mind you - the Co-op may well change it's mind.
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According to one of the assistants in the Co-op shop part of the Texaco station Co-op will remain on that site when the proposed Co-op shop on the Albert Schools site opens.
Mind you - the Co-op may well change it's mind.
Why should they its very profitable store
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If the Coop pulled out of the petrol station, someone else would simply take it over. Thus Coop have no incentive to leave the site as it would create extra competition.
Having another store five minutes walk away is not likely to drastically dent profits