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Archive => Archived Boards => Local Issues => Topic started by: JennyB250 on July 29, 2015, 02:34:51 PM
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For anyone living around the junction with Cross Lane and Buxton Lane. The 'Local Community Pub' now has extended hours and is open until 1.30am at weekends and until 12.30am all other days. We are constantly disturbed by patrons leaving the pub at all hours or as they stand outside smoking and drinking, as well as the live music that drifts out through open doors most weekends. Late hours and cheap drinks does not attract the local community but instead attempts to draw in younger drinkers from the surrounding area. Today I see they have significantly reduced the height of the hedging from over 15 foot to around 3 or 4 foot around the beer garden. The tall hedging did at least baffle some of the noise, but now it is free to escape into the surrounding houses at all hours. The previous tenants were very community orientated, alas it would appear the new occupants have less regard for their neighbours.
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The place needs knocking down.
We live not too far from it and are sick of listening to terrible singers each Saturday.
My understanding was that when they had live 'acts' on they needed to close the doors, I don't know if it is still in the licence.
There were one or two local residents who did some digging and complained. maybe our new local Councillor will be interested seeing as he lives just round the corner.
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Maybe if "the community" who complain every single weekend came into the pub once in a while they would see we have very few young drinkers but many 50+ hardworking drinkers who appreciate the "cheap beer" as they use hard earned cash to buy it non of whom I might add are sat writing complaints in the afternoon - most people go to work during the day. As for the live music the majority are single or duos and ALL are local to the area so please forgive us for helping people from "the community" as it's obviously not your particular group. All our regulars live within walking distance of the pub and the average age of people leaving noisily is around 60 to walk up the road to their houses!! We are open for the hours on our licence and work very hard to keep our customers happy - unfortunately you clearly come from a different section of the "community" despite the fact most of our customers live exactly on or around the junction in question. Please understand we are not out to annoy anyone we are simply trying to run a "community pub" with a small minority who have campaigned for years to close the place with no regard for any of the locals who do enjoy the place.
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I live round the corner from the Marple Tavern and the previous tenants Karen, Lisa and Simeon transformed it from a place I never used into a good but under-used community asset. They tried hard to get the real local community into the pub (I remember Karen actually knocking on every door round here and introducing herself when they first arrived) and we’ve had some great New Year nights, family parties and dos there in the last few years. The pub and its regulars were very supportive of Friends of the Park and the Skatepark project in recent times too. Despite all that I understand that they were struggling to make a living and that is why they left. I’ve been in a few times since the new tenants arrived and they seem to be trying to carry on much the same as before but they need more local people to use it. I’ve been in on a Friday night and was surprised at how good the singing duo was and I’ve been in to watch the football with my son (who has been a regular through thick and thin for years). They’ve had a good guest ale on each time I’ve been in and the beer is a good price too. If you haven’t been in for a while I’d say go in and support it. It will be as good as the local community make it!
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I live around the corner from it too , I have no problem with the place . I think the last tennants tried really really hard . My husband and my father in law would go in from time to time . My father in law would get a text message to let him know if there was a new beer arriving, or when the football was on ... its the little things . They sponsored charities, and worked hard with the community . I hope the new tennants do well and continue the same . I can understand the logic of the hedge being cut , surely if people can see that it is a well used beer garden, then are more inclined to visit themselves. Also inside it will make it lighter, and brighter and more welcoming .
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I have been going in the Marple Tavern for nearly 8 years now as a regular, and its a great pub the tenants and bar staff that are in now are brilliant and very pleasant and I wish them all the best in the world, they work very hard and at the end of the day they are trying to make a living like the rest of us, and in this day and age running a pub is not easy. The cheap beer does not at attract young ones to the pub at all, the majority of the regulars that go in are older than me and I am 45 even though I do consider myself to be young at 45. Granted there are some younger ones that go in but, they are hard workers too, and they never cause any trouble. We all go in to meet and chat with friends and chill out after a hard days work, what is the harm in that ? Since I have been going in the pub I have met some great people and I have also made lots of very dear friends too. We have some great nights playing crib, darts and pool or even just sat chatting and the weekends music is just brilliant (Blank Cheque is one of my favourites, just two guys play acoustic guitars). So, the local residents need to take a chill pill and get themselves in the pub and support it, if your so community orientated.
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Another vote in support of the Marple Tavern. I only get out for a beer with friends once a week or so and we've found the pub to be a friendly welcoming place.
As per other comments, running a pub business is pretty difficult these days, you only have to look at the number of them closing down every week to realise this. Just selling drinks is no longer enough to survive, providing music, food, quizzes etc. is needed to draw people in. At the end of the day its an estate pub that will live or die from the support of the local community. Instead of moaning about it, get in there and give it some support. If it ever closes and finishes up a vandalised eyesore you'll only have yourselves to blame.
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I occasionally go in it with a friend of mine who is a regular there. I don't live near it.
I always enjoy my visits there. I am a Grandmother, I was in it last month and I would say that the age group was mixed but leaning more to the 50+ drinker. I didn't see any irresponsible behaviour and I thought the music was quite good.
It presents to me as good community pub, which the local community should be supporting and I guess many of them are.
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I've come to this topic late as I have been away for some weeks. I live on Buxton Lane near the pub in question. If there was a problem with noise or rowdiness I would be able to hear it and and be disturbed by it. If it disturbed me or my neighbours I would be complaining too. However, despite being within spitting distance of the pub I can't say I've been bothered by its activities.
The Rugby Club, however, has been a different matter and that's nearly a 1/4 of a mile away from my house! A couple of years ago I had cause to complain to SMBC about one of its night-time events. The music was so loud that both inside and outside my house I initially thought that the row was coming from next door's garden!! Perhaps the rugby club is the problem not the pub?
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I'm writing this post at half past 1 on a Saturday night... I have just been woken up by people shouting whilst coming out of the pub. This is not the first time it's happened... If the maple tavern wants to pride itself on being a social hub for the community, perhaps it should put some rules in place that help to prevent people screaming outside the pub while the rest of the community try to sleep. This has gotten worse since the change of ownership.
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Last night a few people turned up after last orders who aren't regulars and they were very drunk and very loud. We refused to serve them and after asking them politely twice to leave the car park they were walked off the premises and down the road in the direction they claimed they lived. We cannot be held responsible for every single incident as they had got in that state else where and were refused entry hence the noise, it was dealt with swiftly and with as little fuss as possible and we can only apologise for the short period of nuisance which was due to circumstances out of our control, we have a clear policy on NOT serving anyone who appears drunk when they arrive at the pub.
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Henrietta, you had cause to complain a COUPLE of years ago? I live right near the club, OCCASIONALY they have evening events that may cause a bit of noise, but they are far and few between. I could not count on one hand the amount of times I have heard noise in a space of 12 months, or even two years, I would understand if it was every weekend, but it is not, I live within metres, have never heard noise that I felt the need to complain.
Did you complain to the rugby club first, or just go straight to the council :(
As for the Marple Tavern, a fellow dog walker I bumped into, lives closer than me, and said that there was a singer on at the weekend, the doors were wide open and it was very noisy, he felt it was going to wind the neighbours in the immediate vicinity right up ( including him ) ... I could not hear it where I live, but I guess on such a hot evening, it's a difficult one.... I thought the doors had to be shut when there are live acts on?
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The biggest problem with the Marple Tavern is that it's open too late, playing music that is too loud and it's located in a residential area. This is a licensing issue. People who are being disturbed should ring the Stockport environmental health noise team. As for the afternoon music, plenty of hard working retirees live in this community too. These individuals should be able to sit outside in their well-earned spare time without getting a headache!
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Firstly, it is quite interesting to see how many people live so close to me, no doubt we interact in real life too.
Pubs are one of those things that are wholly subjective, to ‘declare my hand’ I much prefer the Railway and have been drinking in there for the past 12 years, in fact when I lived on Claremont if I didn’t go in the Railway I’d schlep up the hill to the Ringers walking past the Otters. It never occurred to me to go in – much as I never went in the Pine or the Bull.
Having grown up in Marple, been schooled here, bought a house here and am now raising my own family you get to know the place and of all the pubs in the town the Otters is the worst.
Living where I do I have been in maybe a dozen times in the past 5 or 6 years. The place doesn’t appeal to me, in its original guise it reminded me of the Alzheimer’s hospice attached to North Manchester General with leatherette wing backed chairs, a blue haze in the air and a strange smell – perhaps as my Grandfather was in there at a similar time it has linked the two places in my mind – I drew the conclusion that a pub that chose its soft furnishings on the basis of how easy it was to disinfect them probably wasn’t where I wanted to spend a great deal of time.
In recent times it has improved visually, certainly the makeover that was undertaken by the chap who owned the Rock Tavern did the world of good. But it was only ever cosmetic. On its opening night I went in, as did my neighbours, one goes in to watch football the other hasn’t been back.
Pubs and communities have a strange relationship, they both serve each other, are dependent on each other and do what they can to coexist. The Landlords want to be the centre of the community, the other pubs in Marple seem to have the balance right, there are no other complaints on this forum. The otters has always been on the edge, it doesn’t seem to have a ‘place’ in the town.
Provided the music isn’t obtrusive, provided the patrons behave themselves then I will continue to walk past it to another boozer and we can all live in peace, however, if the noise increases again and they tip drunkards onto the streets every night then I genuinely believe the place will no longer be grounded in the sort of community I want to live in.
Assuming that the thoughts on this thread are representative there seems to be the will locally to do something about it.
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Here we go again - we had a solo singer on at weekend and I can 100% guarantee the sound insulation was on the windows the doors were LOCKED and we were checking noise levels on the corner of the street every half hour - it's actually got to a point now where we don't enjoy the acts as we are so worried about the neighbours ! The Marple Tavern is not only our livelyhood it is also our HOME so we are not trying to upset anybody we are simply running a business. 75% of our regulars live on Wood Lane, Peacefield and the surrounding houses and many of them are retired (one or 2 are not so good on their legs)so while you are complaining they are enjoying the pub and the entertainment so if we are not here they will have to stay in - how is that fair ? My only real issue is "why buy a house near a pub if you want peace and quiet"?
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Incidentally on Sunday 30th Aug we are holding a CHARITY EVENT for TERMINALLY ILL CHILDREN with live acoustic music OUTSIDE in the afternoon/early evening - feel free to complain to Enviromental Health noise dept as your "quiet" is obvious more important than some of the community getting together and working hard to raise money for those much more UNFORTUNATE than yourselves 😄
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Incidentally on Sunday 30th Aug we are holding a CHARITY EVENT for TERMINALLY ILL CHILDREN with live acoustic music OUTSIDE in the afternoon/early evening - feel free to complain to Enviromental Health noise dept as your "quiet" is obvious more important than some of the community getting together and working hard to raise money for those much more UNFORTUNATE than yourselves 😄
Sounds good - don't forget to promote it with more details in the Events Calendar on here!
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Just to finish off we are working alongside Stockport Councils Enviromental Health team to make sure our noise levels comply with their boundaries. We contact them every Monday for updates and are trying our upmost to keep everyone happy. This is a community pub and the community that support it love it we would like more of the community to get involved 👍
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I’m glad you are using the insulation system Karen built. It’s strange because she used it all the time and you couldn’t even hear the music on the street, never mind in your own home. Maybe she turned the volume down? Also this past Saturday night at 12.45 a.m. music was blasting out of your open windows. Maybe you’re missing something?
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By the way, I'm glad you are holding that charity event.
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'Rays of Sunshine ' is a fantastic charity . Many of our youngest sons friends off ward 84 at RMCH (oncology ward) have been granted wishes by the charity . Although he isn't old enough to be granted a wish we will pop down and give our support . A couple of days later it will be ' Child Cancer Awareness month ' (September) and its charities like this that bring a smile to there faces
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Incidentally on Sunday 30th Aug we are holding a CHARITY EVENT for TERMINALLY ILL CHILDREN with live acoustic music OUTSIDE in the afternoon/early evening - feel free to complain to Enviromental Health noise dept as your "quiet" is obvious more important than some of the community getting together and working hard to raise money for those much more UNFORTUNATE than yourselves 😄
I am sure that the neighbours being driven insane by the racket will be delighted to hear that your altruism has led you to donate all profits from the bar to the charity. Now I know why there can be such a thing as a poor pub landlord/landlady! I always thought that charity events at pubs were a publican's excuse to make a packet by bleeding the p****d dry, throw them out screaming at one in the morning and then retiring to bed with the rosy glow of knowing that you have performed a wonderful service for society by passing the few quid paid for entrance to charities other than research into cirrhosis of the liver or cancer research for adults attempting to delay the premature death of those you have sold booze and billions of fags to over the years.
I have no problem in accepting that you are a businessman/woman providing a service and working hard to make a living but please do me a favour by keeping the doors and windows shut and don't try to justify your existence by stating that you have assumed the role of a registered charity: if you are in the business of
working hard to raise money for those much more UNFORTUNATE than yourselves 😄
you could really shut up the sceptics by stating on the website that you and your staff worked without payment or profit from the drink and cigs you sold and donated every penny made to the charities.
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Marplerambler you have obviously been very fortunate to not have a child with a life threatening illness or a been told your child is terminal ?? I was once like you till March 2014 when my gorgeous little boy was diagnosed with stage 4 liver cancer and was given 2 weeks to live when he was 4.5 months old . Luckily (i say that very lightly) my little boy did live after intense chemo and an selfless act of a family to agree to donating their loved ones liver .
So if Marple Tavern want to hold a charity event and it means selling alcohol which as you quite rightly said affects the liver well at least those people have a choice whilst alot of children are still fighting and are sadly loosing their fight which 2 children very close to me are through no fault of their own so be it like you said p####d people give more money!!
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No, Simpleton. There is no way that anybody can really understand. What a heart-breaking experience for you and your family. I am so glad your little one pulled through and I know it's still early days. I imagine it's really nice to know that there are people out there that are in your corner. Bless.
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Marple Rambler I have re read your post. I don't think this is personal. Marple Tavern is badly situated as an entertainment venue and it was never constructed for that purpose. The sound system is too powerful and the noise travels right out of the place. It's hard to imagine that if the volume isn't low enough (especially the bass) some neighbours may feel like they are right on the dance floor. They should keep on working with the noise team to deal with each complaint until they get it right. (Or easier still, communicate with the neighbours) That's what's required in this community.
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Thank you jennieljr . It us still very early days but he is is alot better than this time last year
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Incidentally on Sunday 30th Aug we are holding a CHARITY EVENT for TERMINALLY ILL CHILDREN with live acoustic music OUTSIDE in the afternoon/early evening - feel free to complain to Enviromental Health noise dept as your "quiet" is obvious more important than some of the community getting together and working hard to raise money for those much more UNFORTUNATE than yourselves 😄
I notice that there is still no reply indicating that the pub intends to donate one penny from the huge profits it will make from the event which is ostensibly for the benefit of those unfortunate enough to suffer from cancer. Your scathing criticism of the lack of compassion of neighbours is your most recent comment made so I am wondering if you stumbled from your soap box extolling the wonderful work done by publicans for charities in the face of a total lack of compassion on the part of neighbours and have forgotten to dispel the impression that the primary beneficiary of the event will be the pub landlord/landlady and indicate that this event is not just a cash cow for the publican who allows a volunteer acting on behalf of the charity to collect a donation from those walking through the door to buy to buy the booze and fags which are primary causes of cancer in Britain.
I suffer no illusions about just how generous your customers may be as they put their hands into their pockets: many will also kindly donate an amount in excess of the entry fee and that these donations will be very gratefully received by the charity helping the children. Can you please make it clearer to myself and other local residents just how much the pub itself is donating to the charity from its takings?
You make it clear that at this event the speakers will be placed in the garden of the pub to ensure that your customers inside are able to hear each other and be able to converse without the intrusion of blasting music in the pub - the opportunity to have a convivial conversation will certainly lead to more people staying longer (and thus spending more) yet you are particularly vociferous in your attack upon local residents who seem to think that it is reasonable to be able to enjoy their Sundays in conversation with their families free from the intrusion of the amplified noise generated by the speakers in the pub grounds (note that I don't say music because physics dictates that it is the low pitched bass sounds in the music and not which carry to create the thud-thud sound if you are a distance from the speakers: if the music carried as a complete tune it would be melodious and you would just sing along).
If the pub is
working hard to raise money for those much more UNFORTUNATE than yourselves 😄
can you please silence your critics by telling them just how much the pub is donating to the charity from its takings.
I am sure that a failure to respond will be interpreted by all as a statement of 'Not one penny!'
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Not sure when you last went in a pub but they haven't sold cigarettes since the smoking ban. There is no charge to anyone for entry to the charity event. There are more terminal illnesses than cancer. We are supplying a bouncy castle, gladiators, marquees and food and ALL MONEY COLLECTED FROM THESE WILL GO STRAIGHT TO THE CHARITY. Any stalls are donating to the charity not us and every penny from raffle ticket sales will go directly to the charity. We are paying staff to help at the event and supplying the electric etc. We have also made a donation ourselves. We will not be donating money from the bar sales as we make far less than the pubco so maybe you should contact them and ask them to donate. We are having live acts outside as the children's activities will be outside and the adults will be supervising them?? I am disabled myself and feel slightly "bullied" by your comments. Hope this clears up the financial circumstances surrounding the event.
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Personally i think should be seen a good thing that Marple Tavern are doing and people should support them instead of opposing it . From what i have read they are not doing it for their own gratification . They are raising money for CHILDREN not ADULTS who have a terminal or life threatening illnesses to try and make their lives and the lives of their families a bit of a happier one and if you only have the only thing you have to worry about is noise that will be made whilst raising money then you are flippin lucky . Oh and to point out i do live in close proximity and also used to live on wood lane
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Well done top @MsW and The Marple Tavern. We often hear about how many pubs are closing and communities bemoaning their loss. This kind of event is exactly what we need to make sure pubs are seen as vital yet responsible members of local communities.
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Thankyou for the support. Simpleton it's good to hear your child is getting better we hope he makes a full recovery 😀
We will post on here what we raised for the Ray of Sunshine charity and if it goes well we will look at doing other things to raise more money for great causes.
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The marple tavern is louder than reading festival today! Can still hear every word of the rubbish pop covers from my living room with the windows shut. Oh the joy.
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The comments about antisocial behaviour (noise) etc would be better aimed at the Council than here?
If it is a loud one off event why not go and join in?! You might just have a great day.
Don't know if anyone's seen the Spring Gardens on Compstall Road or remember what the Norfolk looked like when it closed with those 5h1tty grilles on the doors and windows? If the MT thrives it won't end up like that.
Enjoy.
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Just had confirmation from the organisers and we raised £272.08 for the Ray of Sunshine charity 😄 on Sunday
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Just had confirmation from the organisers and we raised £272.08 for the Ray of Sunshine charity 😄 on Sunday
Well done, that is great.
I haven't been in the pub for a while but it has always been nice when I have been in. My teenage (19) daughter and friends sometimes go in but they are very sensible and all off to uni this Sept. I have only heard good things about it.
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Henrietta, you had cause to complain a COUPLE of years ago? I live right near the club, OCCASIONALY they have evening events that may cause a bit of noise, but they are far and few between. I could not count on one hand the amount of times I have heard noise in a space of 12 months, or even two years, I would understand if it was every weekend, but it is not, I live within metres, have never heard noise that I felt the need to complain.
Did you complain to the rugby club first, or just go straight to the council :(
As for the Marple Tavern, a fellow dog walker I bumped into, lives closer than me, and said that there was a singer on at the weekend, the doors were wide open and it was very noisy, he felt it was going to wind the neighbours in the immediate vicinity right up ( including him ) ... I could not hear it where I live, but I guess on such a hot evening, it's a difficult one.... I thought the doors had to be shut when there are live acts on?
Sorry for delay in answering this. Been away again.
Yes, I went down to the Rugby Club on behalf of myself an a neighbour. I subsequently reported the problem to the council and the club was lucky that I didn't call the police as a result of the reception I got.
On arriving at the club I asked to speak to the organiser of the event or a member of the committee. After persisting in this for about 10 minutes I finally got to speak to a person who declined to disclose their position in the club. as I was getting nowhere I attempted to leave saying i would be speaking to SMBC regarding to the issue. I was pursued to my car by a man (not a youth) who grabbed me by the arm, preventing me from getting into my car and ranted at me. I told him to let go and he refused to do so until I threatened to report him to the police for assault. He say the error of his ways!
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I've just witnessed some of your local lads puking that cheap beer all over your front garden. Can you keep them inside please?
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8.50pm... Lightweights...
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I've just witnessed some of your local lads puking that cheap beer all over your front garden. Can you keep them inside please?
These assertions about this business are beginning to assume an air of the conjectural. Also the faint whiff of malice and cowardice.
If you have such a problem with this establishment as you seemingly do, then wouldn't it be better addressed if you presented it to the management in person and didn't put critical postings on this website under the cloak of anonymity.
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Loving the bass that has just started, echoing me out of bed! I'm up at 5 for work at 6 and didn't think a nightclub had moved into the neighbourhood UNDER MY HOUSE!!!
As for going in and speaking to the new owners, you'll get bared for voicing your concerns, not me personally but I know some who have.
Bring back Karen, she at least had respect for her neighbours 😡
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Get bared? Jay do you mean barred???? Remember Jay it's all about the bass. No trouble.
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I've just witnessed some of your local lads puking that cheap beer all over your front garden. Can you keep them inside please?
10 to 9 on Tuesday night - really Man City were on and 95% of our customers were over 40 except one who is in her 90s and loves the place and as it was a midweek match nobody was out to get drunk so.......
"Bring Karen back" yes because you supported her so well - she didn't have any music on and very few customers but at least all you could go to bed at 9 o'clock. As for the music we have cut it to once a week, have a decibel meter and it's on for 2 hours max, we are trying to keep the peace and make a living not buy a holiday home or a Bentley! As for people being barred - twice we have been approached by neighbours, once we were asked and immediately resolved the issue, the other time we had a neighbour march in shouting about licences to the DJ and customers before standing hands on hips screaming the odds about campaigning for 8 years to close the pub down and being generally quite aggressive- forgive me for being stupid but we don't want aggressive behaviour on our premises and neither do the neighbours or is that only if it isn't one of you ? Nobody has the right to march into our business shouting and being abusive when we had no idea who she was ?? This is becoming almost a smear campaign against a pub which is meant to be a "community pub" yet seemingly some of the community would rather it boarded up like the Spring Gardens or the Travellers .
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MsW, I think that you are getting a little excited here and allowing just one or two to agitate you, and if you don't mind me saying, thus proving their point.
If you read these posts in a balanced way you will come to realise that many of them are supportive of what you are trying to do. We understand the value of a good pub and what it brings to the community and we don't see any virtue in the alternative, which is very often a boarded up eyesore, left abandoned for years, attended only by vandals and miscreants.
There will always be people against pubs no matter how well managed.
Just take a balanced view.
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I don't mind this place but what I will say is...... £1 for a packet of crisps????
Jeeeeeeezus.
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May I ask then if most of your clientele are over 50, none roudy sort, why are you blasting them out of the place with banging low bass music? Let them converse with background music? Maybe you've considered they're deaf and enjoy the hum? And yes redbear666 it's all about the bass for OAPs, not me though 😉