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Local Community => Local Issues => Topic started by: wheels on May 01, 2015, 12:05:59 PM

Title: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: wheels on May 01, 2015, 12:05:59 PM
Of course we do but we also accept Marple is a suburb of Stockport (thankfully) and don't pretend it's a pretty Cheshire village.
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: Condate on May 01, 2015, 12:48:52 PM
Of course we do but we also accept Marple is a suburb of Stockport (thankfully) and don't pretend it's a pretty Cheshire village.

It's a Cheshire town. What it most certainly isn't is part of Greater Manchester.
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: wheels on May 01, 2015, 01:13:19 PM
It's a Cheshire town. What it most certainly isn't is part of Greater Manchester.

Your just denying the facts with that statement.
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: wheels on May 01, 2015, 02:25:57 PM
Agreed Simone in fact other than for a few metres on Strines Rd Marple doesn't event connect to Cheshire.

Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: amazon on May 01, 2015, 02:57:47 PM
The Co-op overpriced its products for the people of Marple and in doing do treated us with disdain. They very often didn't have stuff on the shelves either.

Quite simply, latterly, they  did not offer a good service to the people of Marple. Over the years these are some of the items that they didn't have when I was looking for them.

Mushrooms

Kiwi Fruit

Ice

Cucumber

And can you believe this one - Milk!


Stockport is in the county of Greater Manchester and Marple is in Stockport. You may want it to be in Cheshire (it once was)  but the FACT is, it isn't now, any more than Manchester is in Lancashire.
The posh people of Marple won't want to know that .youve spoiled there day .
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: Condate on May 01, 2015, 09:31:23 PM
Stockport is in the county of Greater Manchester and Marple is in Stockport. You may want it to be in Cheshire (it once was)  but the FACT is, it isn't now, any more than Manchester is in Lancashire.

Well, as far as I'm concerned it's a case of Cheshire before; Cheshire now; Cheshire forever. The Mersey is a millennium (and a lot more) old boundary; indeed that's what the name means.  As the old saying says, "the hedge abides which field divides". Whatever purely administrative arrangements there may be, that doesn't change reality.
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: wheels on May 01, 2015, 10:26:24 PM
Well the reality is you live in Stockport and enjoy the benefits of Greater Manchester Transport, GM Fireservice, GM Ambulance service. In fact Cheshire no longer exists as an entity in its own right.
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: Dave on May 02, 2015, 07:21:53 AM
The Mersey is a millennium (and a lot more) old boundary; indeed that's what the name means.  As the old saying says, "the hedge abides which field divides". Whatever purely administrative arrangements there may be, that doesn't change reality.

This discussion is bizarre!  To pursue Condate's wonky logic to even more absurd lengths, Cheshire is a comparatively recent invention, a mere thousand years old.  Marple is really part of the Ancient Kingdom of Mercia (from which the name of the Mersey is derived, of course). 
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: Condate on May 02, 2015, 10:23:14 AM
And of course the northern border of Mercia is the Mersey. That's why associating Marple, (which like the rest of Cheshire is really not part of the Northwest, but part of the northern midlands as the Cheshire dialect demonstrates) with Manchester across the Mersey is not logical. While the southern border of the county, with Shropshire is indeed only 1000 or so years old, the northern border is much more ancient.

It can be of course that for purely administrative purposes, part of Cheshire and part of Lancashire are treated as part of the same administrative area (as indeed part of Lancashire was included in the old County Borough of Stockport), but that doesn't change the real borders of the counties and even if we must have the current administrative boundaries, that doesn't stop us recognising  the traditional borders for other purposes. As for the changes in 1974; at the time, an official of the Department of the Environment wrote in a letter to the Times concerning the new 'counties'. “They are administrative areas and will not alter the traditional boundaries of counties, nor it is intended that the loyalties of people living in them will change.”

For more about the traditional borders see http://abcounties.com/ (http://abcounties.com/)

There is also http://county-wise.org.uk/counties/never-abolished/ (http://county-wise.org.uk/counties/never-abolished/)
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: Dave on May 02, 2015, 11:45:01 AM
I think Condate should become a member of this fine organisation:  http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/cms/   ;)
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: corium on May 02, 2015, 12:13:43 PM
Being practical where I have to fill in my address electronically and a county is required for completion (not always the case) on the lists I can recall Greater Manchester was not an option & the programming doesn't recognise Unitary Authorities so Cheshire it is.
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: Condate on May 02, 2015, 12:47:19 PM
Are there any proposals to take up the chance under the new rules to install signs indicating the traditional boundaries?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/by-george-englands-traditional-counties-can-return-to-englands-roads (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/by-george-englands-traditional-counties-can-return-to-englands-roads)

As I understand the guidlines, (paragraph 033 at ) http://planningguidance.planningportal.gov.uk/blog/guidance/advertisments/applications-for-express-consent-determination-appeals-modification-and-revocation/ (http://planningguidance.planningportal.gov.uk/blog/guidance/advertisments/applications-for-express-consent-determination-appeals-modification-and-revocation/) A sign indicating the historical boundary of Cheshire could be errected at several places within Stockport.

Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: Dave on May 02, 2015, 12:52:48 PM
.....and then we'll all be even more confused than we are already!   :D
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: simonesaffron on May 02, 2015, 08:03:22 PM
Perhaps all of you (you in particular Condate) should read Councillor Kev's book.

Chapter 1, pages 7 & 8.
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: hollins on May 02, 2015, 10:01:36 PM
There are times on this forum when Marple appears to be an independent republic!
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: Howard on May 02, 2015, 11:42:38 PM
Marple should secede from Stockport and become a tax haven along the lines of Monaco or Andorra.
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: pauljonespm on May 03, 2015, 01:39:06 AM
Asda marple does not sell cheshire cheese.
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: admin on May 03, 2015, 06:34:44 AM
Asda marple does not sell cheshire cheese.

Do they sell Greater Manchester cheese? Or even grated Manchester cheese!
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: Dave on May 03, 2015, 07:16:54 AM
And you don't see many of these in Marple.......

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTR3xcNgONCqsFCUw12G7ItlKJXeAYVLZCt2z3H2Awjj260mP_O)
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: Barbara on May 03, 2015, 08:02:32 AM
Asda are not singling out Cheshire to boycott - there are lots of things they don't have that the Co-op used to carry!!

Anyway, whenever I am asked for my address I always say 'Cheshire' and it is always accepted, with or without the postcode.
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: nipper14 on May 03, 2015, 04:13:49 PM
Asda are not singling out Cheshire to boycott - there are lots of things they don't have that the Co-op used to carry!!

Anyway, whenever I am asked for my address I always say 'Cheshire' and it is always accepted, with or without the postcode.

Yes - Asda don't carry empty shelves, like the Co-op used to!

Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: Belly on May 03, 2015, 04:14:39 PM
Here we go again. Is that time of year so soon..... Cheshire as a County doesn't exist any more. Marple is part of Stockport. Please deal with it.

This thread  belongs on an Altrincham forum..... you can have some fun with that lot by winding them up with the 'T' word  ;D They also try to use the Post Office as vindication! Since when did a private company decide where you live and who you pay your taxes to?
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: amazon on May 03, 2015, 05:22:03 PM
Asda are not singling out Cheshire to boycott - there are lots of things they don't have that the Co-op used to carry!!

Anyway, whenever I am asked for my address I always say 'Cheshire' and it is always accepted, with or without the postcode.
Like what I know they don't sell cooking apples as yet they have been told .
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: Condate on May 03, 2015, 06:11:27 PM
Here we go again. Is that time of year so soon..... Cheshire as a County doesn't exist any more. Marple is part of Stockport. Please deal with it.

Cheshire as an administrative unit (very regrettably) doesn't exist. Cheshire as a traditional county does, since the 1974 changes only affect administrative areas, not the traditional counties. Cheshire as an idea certainly continues to exist in the hearts and minds of its people.
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: Belly on May 03, 2015, 06:26:12 PM
Really, have you asked them all?

And what happens when those born before SMBC came in to existence all die? Will the next generation  believe that they are part of an entity that by then won't have existed for 50+ years?

Borders change on a regular basis be they national, county or district. Hanging onto a certain snapshot of the past serves very little purpose.
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: simonesaffron on May 03, 2015, 07:12:36 PM
It is always more in the moment Condate, to be where you really are, than where you could have been, or were.
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: RWW on May 03, 2015, 08:54:42 PM
Any 21st Century map of the area will show that Marple is in the borough of Stockport. That's a good thing. The people of Marple need bringing down to earth every once in a while :-).
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: nipper14 on May 04, 2015, 11:36:03 AM
I am Stockport born and bred and proud of it. I have always included Cheshire in my address and will continue to do so.
Title: Re: So is Marple in Cheshire?
Post by: Water Rat on May 04, 2015, 08:39:51 PM
Phew - an independent republic sounds good even if a bit Citizen Smith - hang on what about Marple Bridge?  I still have relatives alive who were born when Marple Bridge was in Derbyshire ie before 1936. East of the Goyt was part of Ludworth in the Hundred of the High Peak in Derbyshire. Are they still to be included in Derbyshire, Cheshire or ...gulp ...  Stockport MBC?