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Archive => Archived Boards => Hazel Grove Elections May 2015 => Topic started by: sgk on April 07, 2015, 10:54:52 PM
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He visited Romiley today.
Election 2015: Clegg 'we offer a sensible centre ground' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/32212383)
Even posed for some selfies with Romiley folk.
https://twitter.com/phill8wright/status/585426905563815936/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/phill8wright/status/585426905563815936/photo/1)
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He was meeting young performers at the Forum, apparently - presumably passing on some advice. The Cambridge dictionary defines actor as "someone who pretends to be someone else while performing in a film, play, or television or radio programme". Based on Nick's 2010 efforts, I can't think of anyone more suited.
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He was meeting young performers at the Forum, apparently - presumably passing on some advice. The Cambridge dictionary defines actor as "someone who pretends to be someone else while performing in a film, play, or television or radio programme". Based on Nick's 2010 efforts, I can't think of anyone more suited.
Clegg has surprised me as to quite how good he's been in Government, I hope he gets another 5 years with the Lib Dem / Conservative coalition.
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Clegg has surprised me as to quite how good he's been in Government, I hope he gets another 5 years with the Lib Dem / Conservative coalition.
Comic genius, brilliant one-liner!
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Clegg has surprised me as to quite how good he's been in Government, I hope he gets another 5 years with the Lib Dem / Conservative coalition.
But Clegg has stated that he would be happy to form a coalition with either the Conservatives or Labour.
So a vote for Lisa Smart / Nick Clegg is a vote for either David Cameron or Ed Miliband. We just don't know which one.
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Comic genius, brilliant one-liner!
WHO .Duke or clegg .
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WHO .Duke or clegg .
Both!
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But Clegg has stated that he would be happy to form a coalition with either the Conservatives or Labour.
So a vote for Lisa Smart / Nick Clegg is a vote for either David Cameron or Ed Miliband. We just don't know which one.
Another coalition is looking increasingly unlikely, IMHO. More likely is a Labour or Tory minority government supported by one or two other parties in a so-called 'confidence and supply' arrangement. Labour/SNP + possibly LibDem? Or Tory/LibDem/DUP?
If the SNP win a shedload of seats, and the LibDems lose half of theirs, the former looks more likely to me.
In 45 years of voting, I can't recall a more unpredictable or fascinating general election. And the panic among the parties (notably the Tories) is palpable. Hence the burst of wild promises: £8 billion a year more for the NHS; no more inheritance tax; free beer for ever (OK, I made that one up, but it wouldn't surprise me!).
And then there's the Daily Mail's glorious headlines, which are beyond parody!:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3032823/Red-Ed-s-tangled-love-life-Miliband-s-wife-tells-fury-meeting-unattached-Ed-learn-seeing-hostess-just-one-number-relationships-women-clique.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3024983/SNP-s-Nicola-Sturgeon-tells-Ed-Miliband-ll-call-shots-now.html
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What is also of interest is that if your correct Dave and we don't have a stable coalition as we have for the last 5 yrs with the Fixed Term Parliament Act I assume someone else is asked to form a Government if a minority Government is defeated rather then move to a further election as has been the case in the past.
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But Clegg has stated that he would be happy to form a coalition with either the Conservatives or Labour.
So a vote for Lisa Smart / Nick Clegg is a vote for either David Cameron or Ed Miliband. We just don't know which one.
Maybe in their manifesto, they could be clear on which policies are negotiable in the event of a coalition, say tuition fees, and which are non-negotiable, such as... erm... well, you get the idea anyway.
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Clegg has surprised me as to quite how good he's been in Government, I hope he gets another 5 years with the Lib Dem / Conservative coalition.
Agree, this has been an excellent government
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1. No top-down reorganisation of the NHS......
2. We will eliminate the budget deficit within the lifetime of this parliament......
3. No ifs, no buts, net immigration down to the 10s of thousands......
If that's excellent, what does failure look like? ::)
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1. No top-down reorganisation of the NHS......
2. We will eliminate the budget deficit within the lifetime of this parliament......
3. No ifs, no buts, net immigration down to the 10s of thousands......
If that's excellent, what does failure look like? ::)
The fastest growing economy in the EEC
2 million more in employment
Explosion of apprenticeships
More from poorer backgrounds going to university
Equal Marriage
From the Lib Dem side... The snoopers charter stopped
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Also when we vote we are electing a local member not a Government. Has Stuunell service HG well/ And is there anything that would make you believe he's successor won't and is certainly more likely to than a Tory who is short of life experience and who was unwilling to speak up in Council for his electors?
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The fastest growing economy in the EEC
So it should be, bouncing back after Osborne caused the two years of UK stagnation in 2010 - 12.
2 million more in employment
Mostly part-time and minimum wage jobs, which have to be topped up from taxpayers' money.
Explosion of apprenticeships...... More from poorer backgrounds going to university.... Equal Marriage..... From the Lib Dem side... The snoopers charter stopped
I'll grant wheels those, but it's revealing that he doesn't attempt to deal with these three major Coalition broken promises: 1. No top-down reorganisation of the NHS......
2. We will eliminate the budget deficit within the lifetime of this parliament......
3. No ifs, no buts, net immigration down to the 10s of thousands......
Is it any wonder that the electorate is cynical?
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Interesting, Dave, that you feel let down by the fact that the Coalition government did not bring net migration down to the tens of thousands.
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I never said I felt 'let down', and that is not the point, as I suspect Bowden Guy knows very well.
The point is that it was a ridiculous promise. As long as we are in the EU, it was always going to be undeliverable. Cameron either knew that (in which case he was lying), or he didn't (in which case he was incompetent). Either way, it raises a big question over his fitness to continue in office.
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So, you're quite happy for net migration, currently running at hundreds of thousands per annum, to continue indefinitely?
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Isn't it interesting, how BG is desperately trying to change the subject. I wonder why........
We can have a debate about immigration some time, but right now, the discussion is about the competence of the coalition government, triggered by Henry's assertion yesterday that this has been an excellent government
The point I am trying to make is not about policies, with which one may agree or disagree, but about major promises which they have failed to keep. In other words, it's about competence.
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In 45 years of voting, I can't recall a more unpredictable or fascinating general election. And the panic among the parties (notably the Tories) is palpable.
Interesting that the predictions are for another hung parliament. I think that if this does indeed occur, it will prove once and for all that our electoral system is in need of an overhaul. If you can't form a majority with an unfair and loaded system, it makes no difference if we have genuine coalitions under a PR system where everyone's vote counts.
I find it disappointing, though all too predictable, that the Lib Dems campaign appears to be centred on votes for ukip and labour being wasted.
One thing is clear at least - don't vote Tory if you want electoral reforrm.
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Was I asleep or have we just had a referendum on electoral reform?
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We have indeed, but of significance is that it was a result of the coalition deal, wasn't for PR, :(and the Tories knew they could hijack the real debate and focus on the negative campaign.
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Whilst I might agree with you regarding PR Melancholy. A result of PR this that we would thankfully almost certainly confine single party government to the outer depths forever that we might have a more representative government. If a single party did win a majority on the 7th it would be with only about 34% of the vote representing lest than 25% of the electorate. The Tories and Labour Party will however continue to scupper PR just as they both do an elected 2nd chamber.
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Well, in my younger days I was a staunch FPTP supporter wheels, but having seen decades of majority governments and the botches that have occurred, I'm increasingly convinced that consensual government is more appropriate in the long term. It certainly cannot be any less effective.
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In addition:
" George Osborne has added more to the public debt in 5 years than the previous government did in 13."
Daily Telegraph 26 March 2015
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One thing is clear at least - don't vote Tory if you want electoral reforrm.
Well, since I don't want electoral reform, or at least not a change in the voting system, that suggests I should vote Conservative! In fact I won't be voting for any of the parties, although I will vote for a candidate. Any other system than the present one would mean an end to democracy in any meaningful sense. One reform which would be useful would be to reduce the size of constituencies, even though this would mean more MPs.
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Look who was in the Ring o' Bells with William Wragg today!
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Yep, the Tories are throwing the kitchen sink at Hazel Grove!
I've got a postal vote and I've already voted, but Mrs Dave is still trying to make her mind up. Or at least, she was until this morning, when she received a 'personal' letter from David Cameron. It informed her that 'if you vote Liberal Democrat in Hazel Grove you are likely to get Ed Miliband as your Prime Minister'.
'Ooh good', she said, 'so that settles it'. :D
Seriously though, I think the letter is just plain wrong. A Tory/Lib Dem coalition is surely more likely than a Labour/ Lib Dem coalition. The bookies certainly think so, with typical odds on the former at 7/2, and the latter 8/1. See http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/next-government
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Not sure that it is a good idea for the Ringers to show such political partisanship. May alienate some of its customers!
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Yep, the Tories are throwing the kitchen sink at Hazel Grove!
I've got a postal vote and I've already voted, but Mrs Dave is still trying to make her mind up. Or at least, she was until this morning, when she received a 'personal' letter from David Cameron. It informed her that 'if you vote Liberal Democrat in Hazel Grove you are likely to get Ed Miliband as your Prime Minister
Sadly the Lib Dem campaign is no less negative - I.e. vote lib dem because Labour can't win here.
Real positive politics. No wonder there is so much apathy.
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Sadly the Lib Dem campaign is no less negative - I.e. vote lib dem because Labour can't win here.
Real positive politics. No wonder there is so much apathy.
Totally agree.
I think Labour, UKIP and Green will get many more votes this year.
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Sadly the Lib Dem campaign is no less negative - I.e. vote lib dem because Labour can't win here.
I bet they don't use that "Can't win here" message in constituencies where they were third or fourth last time!
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Defenders would say it's making best use of the system they've got, buts still disappointing. I feel Lib Dems have really missed a trick in not campaigning on PR as it's increasingly a vote winner.
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I feel Lib Dems have really missed a trick in not campaigning on PR as it's increasingly a vote winner.
Since PR means the end of democracy, I'm glad it's not an election issue and I hope never it comes about.
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Defenders would say it's making best use of the system they've got, buts still disappointing. I feel Lib Dems have really missed a trick in not campaigning on PR as it's increasingly a vote winner.
Mflower. I disagree to campaign on it now looks like self interest better to let the FPTP system discredit itself and allow people to reach the obvious decision that it has to be replaced.
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Mflower. I disagree to campaign on it now looks like self interest better to let the FPTP system discredit itself and allow people to reach the obvious decision that it has to be replaced.
Replaced by what? It won't be democracy, which can only be retained with a system where local communities elect an individual (not a party) to represent them in parliament and the current system does just that very well (or could do if people stopped voting based on party labels).
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But I don't want an individual who gains less than 50% representing the majority. I don't wan't someone who can't speak for the community as the majority did not vote for them.
Most of us vote for the party not the individual and long may it be so.
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I am very much in favour of removing party names from ballot papers. We do not and should not be voting for a party. We vote for and should vote for a man or woman to represent us. He or she may be a member of a political party, but it is the person we vote for. Once elected, that person is simply a member of parliament. There is no such thing strictly speaking as a Conservative MP, or a Labour MP, or a Lib Dem MP for example; they are just MPs. It is true that all too often the MPs vote as the whips decide, but that is a defect of the system that ought to be reformed.
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I am very much in favour of removing party names from ballot papers. We do not and should not be voting for a party.
It's really not for you to be telling me or the millions of others who think differently on what basis we should be voting. You should just accept we have different views. Mine is that we should be voting for the party not the individual yours is different. I would not presume to tell you on what basis you should vote. Just accept people approach this matter differently.
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I hope you're right Condate.
Arguments for both sides. The whips are certainly a big negative in parliament, and the whole committee system could do with a revamp so that all sides can have a say in how policy is enacted. At the moment it's a joke.