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Title: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Snowball on March 20, 2015, 12:57:12 PM
I moved to Marple last year and absolutely love living here apart from one thing......

..... I have never seen footpaths so badly covered in dog poo. The pavement on Stockport Road running from Cross Lane up to the Market Street is terrible. I've never seen any dogs roaming free so can only assume it is irresponsible owners not clearing up after their dogs.

Does Marple have any enforcement  for this issue, if not perhaps it's time they did.

First post on the forum, and sorry it's a whinge, but having recently got dog poo all over the wheels of a baby buggy I needed to vent a little.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Rachael on March 20, 2015, 01:18:17 PM
It's disgusting.  I am a dog owner, and would not dream of not clearing up after my dog .  The Middlewood way is just vile, people use it as a dog toilet, and its not on :(   Im with the same view as you, these dogs are not walking by themselves, so it is, irresponsible dog owners .   I have actually knocked on a door to ask for a carrier bag, nappy bag etc  when I got caught short ( my bags had fallen out of my pockets ) , the owner did not mind one bit .  There is no excuse .
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on March 20, 2015, 01:55:51 PM
Since I retired and started to walk our grandchildren to and from school most days I've been astounded at the amount of dog mess on pavements and paths around here. You can barely look up for fear of treading in it and I'm always shouting at the kids to mind that mess. It is really disgusting and has turned me against keeping dogs as pets.

We also have a problem immediately outside our house, which appears to be a regular toilet spot for at least one inconsiderate owner who doesn't even clean up when it is left immediately in front of our path to the front door. I've adjusted our cameras and I'm looking forward to identifying the culprit(s).

I also have an issue with this in Memorial Park. As most will know I'm involved with the Friends group and we regularly encounter dog mess left in and around the flowerbeds when we are tending them, and all over the park too. We had a most unpleasant experience when our 3 year old granddaughter was playing near the tree sculpture in the park - a place where children will most obviously play - and she trod in some left there and played on for several minutes before we realised. It was all over her shoes and clothes and hands - disgusting and dangerous too.

I've made enquiries with the council about the effectiveness of the dog warden's visits to the park and was amazed to learn that there has NEVER been a single fine issued EVER! It's beyond me how that can be the case and believe that they should make a concerted effort to catch some offenders.

I've discussed the highlighting of dog mess in the park by using coloured spray with the council. It is seems to be something that has been successfully done in other authority areas to raise awareness and reduce offending but SMBC are against it. I haven't given up on this idea yet but at the moment we are putting so much effort into highlighting ASB in the park to the authorities that we're not ready to start another fight yet. But the time will come.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: EmmyJane Designs on March 20, 2015, 02:23:50 PM
This was highlighted recently when we had snow. The little brown parcels really showed up then.

When we moved here several years ago, I wrote to our local Councillor. Her reply was interesting, she said it's the most complained thing about Marple.

The other thing that really, really annoys me is the habit of dog owners actually taking the time to pick up theirs dog's mess and then flinging the bag into trees, over peoples fences, into hedges, into the canal.  Oooh I can feel my blood pressure rising now.

I too have had an  unfortunate  instance where my young nephew was  playing out in our local park, had it all over his shoes, luckily I was close and smelt in just in time.  Those shoes went in the bin and he was carried home.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Cyberman on March 20, 2015, 07:01:08 PM
I too find inconsiderate dog owners a real problem in Marple. Recently someone left a poo-filled bag on the pavement near our house -I found it when I trod on it in the dark. Luckily it didn't burst. I've come across huge piles of the stuff right in the middle of the precinct, also on the paths in the park. I saw a dog doing its business on the grass in the park, while its owner turned a blind eye and walked off. I challenged the owner to pick it up and his response was "who are you .. the f*****g police". There is a real attitude problem with a significant number of dog owners. I would love to a) ban dogs from the park and b) introduce an expensive licence to put people off owning the things.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: chicken lady on March 20, 2015, 08:53:01 PM
 I don't live in Marple now, but when I did I walked my dog either down the Middlewood way, or up Stockport road and round the Memorial Park. I always picked up poo, put it in a bin or took it home and put it in my dustbin. Sometimes I picked up poo that had been left by other, irresponsible owners, particularly on the rugby club field on the Middlewood Way. I now live in a very rural area, and find that very few of the local people pick up the poo, and the verges of our lane are now dog poo alley, not very nice when you have to leap onto the verge to avoid the tractors! The 2 worst culprits here are a Police officer and a PCSO, says it all really.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: wheels on March 20, 2015, 10:22:35 PM
I just don't understand why anyone would want to keep a dog in their house at all so I am with all the posters here although I must say I only ever see people  picking it up not leaving it.

My real comment was in response to Admin I thought there had been some prosecution's actually but I will ask and find out.

Also question to Admin which I am sorry I don't know where to post it. ----- Why has my "Show unread posts since last visit" link stopped working. It stopped about a month ago. It does however work on my PC at work but not at home.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on March 21, 2015, 06:40:44 AM
My real comment was in response to Admin I thought there had been some prosecution's actually but I will ask and find out.

As I understand it there have been prosecutions in Marple but I don't know how many. It would be interesting to find out if you can please. I'm aware of one on the Middlewood Way in the last year or two as there was a notice posted on a lamppost to say so. However, I was talking about Memorial Park - I have been assured by the council that there has never been a prosecution or fine issued for dog fouling in the park, which I find amazing.

Also question to Admin which I am sorry I don't know where to post it. ----- Why has my "Show unread posts since last visit" link stopped working. It stopped about a month ago. It does however work on my PC at work but not at home.

There is a section for Technical Questions and Support here: http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?board=5.0

And I've created a new thread for you here: http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=6192.0
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Dave on March 21, 2015, 08:07:13 AM
Recently someone left a poo-filled bag on the pavement near our house -I found it when I trod on it in the dark. Luckily it didn't burst.

This habit used to puzzle me too, until someone explained that some dog owners leave the bagged-up poo by the side of the road or path to pick up on their way back from the walk, rather than carrying it all the way. Seems quite sensible, but the problem is that sometimes they forget about it!
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: My login is Henrietta on March 22, 2015, 06:10:49 PM
This was highlighted recently when we had snow. The little brown parcels really showed up then.

When we moved here several years ago, I wrote to our local Councillor. Her reply was interesting, she said it's the most complained thing about Marple.

The other thing that really, really annoys me is the habit of dog owners actually taking the time to pick up theirs dog's mess and then flinging the bag into trees, over peoples fences, into hedges, into the canal.  Oooh I can feel my blood pressure rising now.

I too have had an  unfortunate  instance where my young nephew was  playing out in our local park, had it all over his shoes, luckily I was close and smelt in just in time.  Those shoes went in the bin and he was carried home.
Hmm, so it's the most complained about issue and there has never been a prosecution for dog fouling!

In-ter--est-ing!

It scared me when I got my first council tax bill when I came back to Marple - nearly twice the amount I'd been paying when I lived elsewhere. What are they spending my money on and what are my elected representatives doing? This is both a health issue and an environmental issue.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Dave on March 23, 2015, 10:11:42 AM
Hmm, so it's the most complained about issue and there has never been a prosecution for dog fouling!

In-ter--est-ing!

But not sur-pri-sing!  I read the other day that there are only half the number of police officers n Greater Manchester, compared with ten years ago.  So it's just possible that they have got more important things to do! 
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Tricky on March 23, 2015, 10:32:26 AM
Just to say.. It's not only dog wardens who can issue fines.. PCSO's can issue and also other Environmental officers from the Council




Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Melancholyflower on March 23, 2015, 08:06:12 PM
Tricky I'm afraid this is the age-old problem with anti-social behaviour of any kind.

It stands to reason that ignorant dog owners are also far more likely to be aggressive when confronted about their actions by a non-police officer. Hence some of the earlier comments from people who are brave enough to confront these individuals, and obviously put themselves at risk over what is a really trivial issue. Same with people who drop litter.

The odd arrest might make a difference, but as Dave points out the police really have bigger and better things to do. Education is the only way forward to stop behaviour like this.

Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Tricky on March 24, 2015, 10:56:42 AM
I didn't mention the Police nor did I mention anyone being arrested..?

The point I was trying to make is that whilst SMBC has a couple of dedicated dog wardens who may occasionally visit the area, Marple has 2 patrolling PCSOs who are authorised to issue fixed penalty fines. 

I always carry multiple bags when walking my dog.. so if and when people use the excuse that they haven't got one.. hey presto!

 
I've found it less confrontational saying something like "I have a spare bag for you" rather than "Oi clear up after your dog" etc..




Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Dave on March 24, 2015, 12:24:49 PM
Sometimes I picked up poo that had been left by other, irresponsible owners, particularly on the rugby club field

That is so antisocial.  There are some places where no-one should ever leave dog poo, and that is one of them.  >:(

I now live in a very rural area, and find that very few of the local people pick up the poo, and the verges of our lane are now dog poo alley, not very nice when you have to leap onto the verge to avoid the tractors! The 2 worst culprits here are a Police officer and a PCSO, says it all really.

The laws about dog fouling apply to pavements, footpaths, parks, sports field, and roads where there is a speed limit of 50 mph or less.   They do not apply to bridleways, byways, and country lanes where there is no speed limit.  The rule there is quite simple - watch your step!   ;)
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on March 28, 2015, 02:21:55 PM
This thread went wandering off a bit talking about horse muck, which is fine, but I've moved those posts to a separate thread and would like to bring this one back on track.

Here are a couple of images taken this morning of what we were confronted with on our task in the park today.

This is disgusting and there must be a way to stop it.

We need people to be caught allowing their dogs to do it and not picking up and for them to be fined heavily.

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Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: chicken lady on March 28, 2015, 04:11:37 PM
Disgusting - the owners not the dogs. I can only hope that those owners have it trampled into their carpets at some point! The difficulty in catching people is that often, if they see someone watching, especially someone in uniform, they do pick it up, although as I've previously mentioned, the worst culprits in our village are a police officer and a PCSO.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Snowball on March 28, 2015, 11:50:18 PM
I'm pleased to see that I'm not the only one upset by the state of Marple's pavements and open areas.

I want to know what Stockport MBC are doing to address the problem in their Council area and particularly in Marple, so I plan to submit a FOI request in the next few days to see if I can get a few answers.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: willow on March 29, 2015, 12:56:55 PM
Compstall Road in Marple Bridge and Compstall village are a disgrace too. You can't walk along the pavement without continually looking where you are walking.
Don't know what the answer is but something definitely needs to be done about it.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Snowball on March 29, 2015, 01:25:53 PM
Whilst looking on the Stockport MBC website for FOI request information I came across some useful stuff about dog fouling.

There is a page where statistics are reported for the number of complaints about fouling, broken down by month and region.

http://www.stockport.gov.uk/services/environment/envhealth/animalwelfare/dogwardenservice/dogfouling/dogfoulinginyourarea/ (http://www.stockport.gov.uk/services/environment/envhealth/animalwelfare/dogwardenservice/dogfouling/dogfoulinginyourarea/)

You will see that for the Marple area there have been relatively few complaints compared to other regions. I would expect that the Dog Wardens would pay attention to those areas with high levels of complaints.
 
So part of the answer is perhaps in our own hands and we need to be registering our complaints with the Council. Only three complaints for the Marple region were made in Feb 2015, but there have been more people on this Forum alone expressing their concern. This is a link for making your complaint

http://www.stockport.gov.uk/services/environment/envhealth/animalwelfare/dogwardenservice/dogfouling/dogfoulingcomplaints (http://www.stockport.gov.uk/services/environment/envhealth/animalwelfare/dogwardenservice/dogfouling/dogfoulingcomplaints)
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on March 29, 2015, 05:05:37 PM
I think you're right Snowball and I've reported those in Memorial Park on Saturday.

I'll continue to do this too and would encourage every one else to do the same.

What I would suggest is that we also report all the details in this thread (with photos where possible), which will build up a single location where everyone can see what's being reported and if anything is being done about it.

I did note when making the report however, that they are primarily looking for intelligence including who the culprit is and it says that this form should only be used where intelligence is known and / or signage is required. We have enough signage in the park already.

They also provides a text alert service (I'm going to put that number in my phone!) Here are the full details:

Please note that this form should only be used where intelligence is known and / or signage is required. Forms received without such information or requests will be passed directly to street cleansing and no action will be taken by the Dog Warden Service.

If intelligence is provided and / or signage is requested, the Dog Warden will respond accordingly within 4 weeks of receipt of the job.

If the address or contact telephone number of a known dog fouling offender can be identified, a warden will attempt to speak to that person within 5 working days to clarify the law regarding dog fouling and provide advice on responsible dog ownership.  All other dog fouling reports will be responded to within 4 weeks.

A text alert system for members of the public to use if and when they witness a dog fouling has also been set up by the Dog Warden Service.

If you witness someone allowing their dog to foul you can text the time, date, location and a brief description of the dog and owner to 07624 805 662.  Appropriate action will then be taken by the service. Text messages to this number cost the standard network rate and no automated reply will be received.

Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: willow on March 29, 2015, 05:29:56 PM
I've just reported on the street cleansing section. Tomorrow morning I will get exact locations of any mess on my way to school and report again.
Hopefully if everybody starts reporting regularly the council will have to do something about it.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: chicken lady on March 29, 2015, 05:31:03 PM
So it seems that unless you can provide a name and address for the owner of the dog, there's not much they can do. Can they not do some surveillance?
Good old council, what on earth do we pay for?
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: corium on March 29, 2015, 05:37:54 PM
I may well be wrong but I'm sure I've heard somewhere that there is CCTV being actively considered for the memorial park
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on March 29, 2015, 05:45:47 PM
I may well be wrong but I'm sure I've heard somewhere that there is CCTV being actively considered for the memorial park

The Friends of the Park have been battling for 18 months to extra get CCTV installed in the park. You can read up on the detail in the monthly minutes on the web site if interested. We have recently succeeded in reaching agreement that a single camera will be installed soon. This will cover the bowling green buildings, some of the bowling green, toilets, some of the infants play area and possibly part of the front of the library. This has been quite an effort to achieve and is a big step down from what we wanted, which was an extra 4 or even 6 cameras. If we'd got those we'd have have had enough coverage to catch dog-foulers on the flowerbeds in the act but, as it is, it would only be in the areas I've just mentioned.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: willow on March 29, 2015, 07:26:23 PM
It's a shame one of the parks in Marple can't be changed to a dog free zone. Even if owners clear up the mess, it usually leaves a bit behind. It would be nice to be able to sit on the grass in the summer and have a picnic.
I know there are a lot of responsible owners that this would penalise against but the parks should be for everyone to enjoy and at the moment none are clean for children to run around and play football on.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Bowden Guy on March 29, 2015, 10:27:29 PM
An interesting article (from 2009) which shows how utterley pathetic this country has become viz-a-viz law and order - and those in our "community" who choose to break the law,  like our wonderful "band of brothers" who excel in robbing our homes and stealing from young girls in the street, late at night.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6712334/Name-and-shame-offenders-but-not-if-it-upsets-family-says-Government.html
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: My login is Henrietta on March 30, 2015, 02:45:41 AM
It's a shame one of the parks in Marple can't be changed to a dog free zone. Even if owners clear up the mess, it usually leaves a bit behind. It would be nice to be able to sit on the grass in the summer and have a picnic.
I know there are a lot of responsible owners that this would penalise against but the parks should be for everyone to enjoy and at the moment none are clean for children to run around and play football on.
If some dog owners won't pick up the poo  is it likely they will obey a "dog-free park" rule?
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on March 30, 2015, 09:30:46 AM
3 incidents of dog fouling on the way to school this morning. Two on Cross Lane reported to street cleaning, one on Brydges Road not reported as it is a few days old and I will pick it up.

The way the street cleaning form works it's best to report by street name and then describe the location(s) on that street.

The green one is a regular offender on the Cross Lane area so will be interesting to monitor this one.



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Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on March 30, 2015, 09:40:03 AM
If some dog owners won't pick up the poo  is it likely they will obey a "dog-free park" rule?

Policing this kind of rule is always a problem. A dog free park is a bit draconian but it would be good to have dogs kept on leads until they reach the open fields in the park. This would not only help with dog mess in certain areas but would protect the flowerbeds and shrub beds.

I witnessed a lady let her two dogs off the lead near to Garth Road the other day and they literally smashed their way through the shrub bed that Friends of the Park had replanted the previous weekend - then they came back to the owner at full tilt through the bed again and then back through them a third time. I did speak to the owner about that and and our volunteers regularly have to ask people to keep their dogs off the beds during task days. If they were on the lead until they reached the field this wouldn't be nearly so bad.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Dave on March 30, 2015, 10:21:09 AM
Even if owners clear up the mess, it usually leaves a bit behind.

An important point from willow.  Dog poo on pavements and in parks and (above all, perhaps) on sports fields, is disgusting, and it's good that this issue is once more being given an airing (as it were!) on this forum.

That said, in these ever-more-fastidious times, we should remember that the Great Outdoors is not 100% hygienic, and never will be (thank goodness).  So we still need to watch our step, be careful when we sit down on the grass, and in particular, train our children to do the same.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on March 31, 2015, 11:56:35 AM
Very pleased to see that the poo I reported yesterday on the way to school has gone. Could possibly be the heavy rain has washed it away but let's hope it's that the street cleaning team are on the ball, and if so, well done!

Came back from the school run this morning via the Middlewood Way, which is what we usually do with the 3 grandchildren and friends at home time. Here are some delightful images captured between Rose Hill and the turn-off for Woodville Drive, which I shall now report. I reckon I captured about 50% of what's there.

Case Reference is 101861637

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Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: marveld on March 31, 2015, 02:20:33 PM
Very pleased to see that the poo I reported yesterday on the way to school has gone. Could possibly be the heavy rain has washed it away but let's hope it's that the street cleaning team are on the ball, and if so, well done!

Came back from the school run this morning via the Middlewood Way, which is what we usually do with the 3 grandchildren and friends at home time. Here are some delightful images captured between Rose Hill and the turn-off for Woodville Drive, which I shall now report. I reckon I captured about 50% of what's there.

Case Reference is 101861637

I applaud your efforts, but I suspect nothing will change in (Memorial Park/Middlewood Way/pavements in general) until a few people get prosecuted. Most dog owners make the effort, but others will simply not bother. Having the council clean up for them will re-enforce their attitude that it's not their responsibility to keep paths and parks clean.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on March 31, 2015, 02:37:14 PM
I applaud your efforts, but I suspect nothing will change in (Memorial Park/Middlewood Way/pavements in general) until a few people get prosecuted. Most dog owners make the effort, but others will simply not bother. Having the council clean up for them will re-enforce their attitude that it's not their responsibility to keep paths and parks clean.

The objective is to get some people prosecuted. Join us, report the poo in Marple!
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: marplerambler on March 31, 2015, 06:32:43 PM
The photographs of the dog poo on the Middlewood Way make the route seem pretty horrendous but I think this is an unfair picture - lots of dogs with lots of owners and I do not ever remember seeing a dog doing its business and its owner not removing it (I am generally pretty snotty and say if I see anything like this happening). I have been using it regularly for fifteen years to walk to and from the bus stop and station and can recall few occasions when the calling cards have been ignored by the owners. The dog owners in the area are usually pretty responsible and just clear up as a matter of routine - this certainly doesn't happen in a lot of places. Nearly all owners clear up after their dogs whether it be on the metalled surface or on the verges. I don't have a dog and I don't have a bee in my bonnet because I see so many of the owners carrying the bags to the dog-poo bins so I give the dog owners in the area nine out of ten.

The only reason it is not 10/10 is that it was sad was to see a mountain of poo-bags accumulate during a hot summer a few years ago at the time that the section of thee Middlewood Way behind Woodville Drive was metalled. A works truck reversed and demolished the poo-bin, the bin was removed and for about three hot summer months collection ceased. Dog walkers scooped up the poo in bags and then a small proportion of them threw the bags to form a pile at the entrance to the passageway to Woodville Drive - the stink was dreadful!

I pestered the parks & rec dept of Stockport MBC and the bin was eventually replaced and collections for incineration were resumed.

About three months ago a mattress was dumped and lay in Wood Lane car park for a couple of weeks. I was passing as the Council worker was clearing the bin at the passageway to Woodville Drive and I mentioned the dumped mattress to the driver. The driver then very kindly removed the mattress so many thanks to the driver for that.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on March 31, 2015, 08:28:14 PM
The photographs of the dog poo on the Middlewood Way make the route seem pretty horrendous but I think this is an unfair picture.......
It IS horrendous and it's an accurate picture of what it is there between the Tip at Rose Hill and the alley way to Woodville Drive. In fact, it's quite favourable in a way as when I walked the kids home this afternoon I noticed almost as many piles that I'd missed the first time. I walk this section of the Middlewood Way virtually every weekday when the kids are at school. I've never seen anyone not picking up either but new new piles appear with alarming frequency. I don't know what percentage of dog owners are not picking up but I would suggest that the ones that don't are doing it every day, day in day out. There are probably some who pick up if they are seen but don't bother if nobody else is there. Statistically it may not be very a high proportion but it is too many and is not acceptable.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: marplerambler on March 31, 2015, 10:52:11 PM
It IS horrendous and it's an accurate picture of what it is there between the Tip at Rose Hill and the alley way to Woodville Drive. In fact, it's quite favourable in a way as when I walked the kids home this afternoon I noticed almost as many piles that I'd missed the first time. I walk this section of the Middlewood Way virtually every weekday when the kids are at school. I've never seen anyone not picking up either but new new piles appear with alarming frequency. I don't know what percentage of dog owners are not picking up but I would suggest that the ones that don't are doing it every day, day in day out. There are probably some who pick up if they are seen but don't bother if nobody else is there. Statistically it may not be very a high proportion but it is too many and is not acceptable.
I must be walking around with my eyes closed to such things because I walked the same section at about 5pm and didn't notice the problem, the thing that I am annoyed about is that a week ago someone nicked all of the daffodils (donated by Friends of Rose Hill station) I so lovingly planted three years ago. Still, some have just come out at the Rose Hill entrance to the Middlewood Way. One can but try!
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on April 01, 2015, 05:14:33 PM
I must be walking around with my eyes closed to such things because I walked the same section at about 5pm and didn't notice the problem..

If you're accompanied by 3 to 4 young children aged between 2 and 7 you will develop an eye for it I can assure you: you can never take your eyes off the ground.

.......the thing that I am annoyed about is that a week ago someone nicked all of the daffodils (donated by Friends of Rose Hill station) I so lovingly planted three years ago....

We get this in Marple Memorial Park all the time too: "but my mother is ill" was one recent excuse!

But back to the topic in hand, here's the results of a stroll home along Cross Lane and Buxton Lane this morning and I will report in a moment (Case Reference 101864587).

Most of this wasn't there when I took the photos on Monday:

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Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Rachael on April 04, 2015, 07:56:22 AM
The Middlewood way is disgusting, when I take my dog out, when I go down the   path that goes from Woodville Drive, the one  with the metal barrier onto the Middlewood way , is quite often full of poo, I would not mind but there is a dog poo bin only ten steps further, there is absolutely no excuse and it makes me mad .  Unfortunately, I know its disgusting, as even the poo you cant see ,  I have a Labrador, with a nose that likes to sniff out everything .....  :-[

I have been taking my dog up to the Memorial park of late, and its lovely up there for him  , It would be a shame if there was ever a ban on dogs in the park , as I do think the majority of dog owners respect the park and its surroundings.

 In the area of London where my cousins live, they actually have parks with specific dog zone areas, this keeps the dogs out of the other areas of the park, keeps the park  clean ( for those who follow the rules ) and it works .
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on April 04, 2015, 08:13:37 AM
The Middlewood way is disgusting, when I take my dog out, when I go down the path that goes from Woodville Drive, the one with the metal barrier onto the Middlewood way, is quite often full of poo, I would not mind but there is a dog poo bin only ten steps further, there is absolutely no excuse and it makes me mad. Unfortunately, I know its disgusting, as even the poo you can't see,  I have a Labrador, with a nose that likes to sniff out everything .....  :-[

I think it would be helpful if you report the Middlewood Way @Pink Panther  , so that the council don't think it's just one person that is unhappy with it. Here's the link:

http://www.stockport.gov.uk/services/environment/envhealth/animalwelfare/dogwardenservice/dogfouling/dogfoulingcomplaints

Use the street cleaning option just to report a mess or the dog warden link to report intelligence about an offender.

I have been taking my dog up to the Memorial park of late, and its lovely up there for him, It would be a shame if there was ever a ban on dogs in the park, as I do think the majority of dog owners respect the park and its surroundings.

 In the area of London where my cousins live, they actually have parks with specific dog zone areas, this keeps the dogs out of the other areas of the park, keeps the park clean (for those who follow the rules) and it works.

I agree that a ban on dogs in the park would be too severe - we want everyone to be able to enjoy it in lots of different ways, just not at the expense of others. As I mentioned further down, what I think would be best is if dogs were kept on a lead when entering the park and not let off until they reached the open fields, or they go straight round the woodland walk at the perimeter. So a bit like the dog zones in the parks you mentioned.

Which parks are they please? I might be able to find a link and info.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: EmmyJane Designs on April 08, 2015, 10:38:20 PM
Brickbridge road from All Saints Primary School down to the canal is re-named Poo alley in our family.
It seems to be the same owners taking their dogs out at certain times, as the poo is always in the same little places.

I use this lane a lot and am yet to see anyone 'in the act'. It's only a matter of time. However if I did approach an offender, no doubt I'd get a huge swearing mouthful.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Snowball on April 15, 2015, 03:45:06 PM
I submitted my Freedom of Information Request to Stockport MBC, questions and answers  below

1.         How many Dog Wardens are currently employed by Stockport MBC?
One dog warden currently employed.

2.         How many Fixed Penalty tickets for dog fouling were issued in 2014 by Dog Wardens and PCSO's ?
2 FPNs were issued for dog fouling offences in 2014.  1 by a PCSO and 1 by a dog warden.
 
3.         How many prosecutions for dog fouling were undertaken in 2014 by Stockport MBC ?
None.
 
4.         Of the Fixed Penalty tickets issued how many were issued in Marple ?
None.

The answers speak for themselves really, it's little wonder that the problem is so widespread with the meager resources deployed. Two Fixed Penalty tickets issued in the whole of the MBC area makes you realise why some dog owners are happy to ignore the law with impunity.

Apologies for funny formatting (sorted - Admin)
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: wheels on April 15, 2015, 04:41:55 PM
Why do you have to cost the rest of us money asking for this information via FOI when you could just ask for it say via an elected member or officer.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Snowball on April 15, 2015, 06:05:44 PM
Why do you have to cost the rest of us money asking for this information via FOI when you could just ask for it say via an elected member or officer.

Not sure I understand your point, Stockport employ staff to deal with FOI requests that's what the legislation is for, if they weren't responding to my request then they would be responding to someone else's.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: corium on April 15, 2015, 07:42:51 PM
Agree with Snowball here, the question to the elected official might be why they are not redeploying FoI officials as dog wardens at least a day a week (slightly tongue in cheek!)
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Bowden Guy on April 15, 2015, 09:42:10 PM
Snowball, your comment perfectly (and quite hilariously, I might add) encapsulates why we need to reduce the size and cost of the public sector as a matter of some urgency.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Snowball on April 15, 2015, 10:10:17 PM
Snowball, your comment perfectly (and quite hilariously, I might add) encapsulates why we need to reduce the size and cost of the public sector as a matter of some urgency.

Blame the Politicians for introducing the legislation, but not the poor public servants who are stuck with managing it.

Interesting topic but moving away somewhat from the Dog Poo issue.

Found a massive pile on the pavement right in front of my house (which some poor sole had trodden in and spread in a trail after them) think it must be an aggrieved dog/owner getting his own back
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on April 16, 2015, 08:00:40 AM
Interesting topic but moving away somewhat from the Dog Poo issue.

I agree, please stick to the topic (pun intended). How @Snowball obtained the information can be discussed in a separate thread if you thing it's important.

Well done for obtaining this and, as you say, it speaks for itself that there is no effort being made to issue FPN's or to prosecute offenders across the whole borough.

The situation will never change unless enough people make a big enough fuss. Regular reporting is one way to raise the profile of the issue.

Brickbridge road from All Saints Primary School down to the canal is re-named Poo alley in our family.
It seems to be the same owners taking their dogs out at certain times, as the poo is always in the same little places.

I use this lane a lot and am yet to see anyone 'in the act'. It's only a matter of time. However if I did approach an offender, no doubt I'd get a huge swearing mouthful.

I've seen the same trait of poo in the same places on a regular basis. It would be a good thing for people who live near Brickbridge Rd to report this to street cleaning. Would you be able to do that @EmmyJane Designs ?

Also, if you manage to obtain intelligence about who is responsible then that can be reported to the Dog Warden.

http://www.stockport.gov.uk/services/environment/envhealth/animalwelfare/dogwardenservice/dogfouling/dogfoulingcomplaints
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: wheels on April 16, 2015, 04:14:27 PM
As I started the deviation my apols.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: EmmyJane Designs on April 16, 2015, 04:21:44 PM
admin - I have in the past complained about Brickbridge road and will again.

The number of times I use it, I can't believe I've not caught some one in the act.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on April 28, 2015, 04:45:35 PM
Pleased to report that since my complaints to street cleaning about Cross Lane and the route to Rose Hill School things have been much better, clearly there has been some level of cleaning by the council going on and the Dog Warden van was parked on Cross Lane yesterday too. Big improvement that maybe the result of my complaints, maybe not, but worth trying if you have problems in your area.

The park is still much the same, although my wife saw the Dog Warden in there recently too. Friends of Brabyns Park have raised the issue of dog fouling in parks with the Stockport Greenspace Forum (the umbrella group for all Stockport Park Friends' Groups) and they are now collecting views from all local groups with the intention of talking in more detail about borough-wide policies on dogs in parks and dog fouling with the council.

Obviously if the situation deteriorates on the school run I'll be back on the case and hope everyone else is complaining rather that put up with the mess.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: corium on April 28, 2015, 07:02:54 PM
Interesting article in the Times today re Baltimore where only dogs that have been DNA tested ( & I think chipped) are allowed in public parks - big fines for those whose dogs aren't. but of course this requires wardens to monitor it & analyse the "evidence".
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Cyberman on April 28, 2015, 09:03:39 PM
They are doing something similar in the East London borough of Barking (!) and Dagenham. See BBC website http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32495924 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32495924). Could we persuade SMBC to adopt this policy?

There was a large pile of the stuff in the alleyway at the end of Willow Grove earlier this week. Reported it to the council and it was removed the next day.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: chicken lady on April 28, 2015, 10:33:57 PM
It certainly seems like there's movement ( if you'll pardon the pun) on the dog poo front.

Quote from: chicken lady on March 20, 2015, 08:53:01 PM
I now live in a very rural area, and find that very few of the local people pick up the poo, and the verges of our lane are now dog poo alley, not very nice when you have to leap onto the verge to avoid the tractors! The 2 worst culprits here are a Police officer and a PCSO, says it all really.

The laws about dog fouling apply to pavements, footpaths, parks, sports field, and roads where there is a speed limit of 50 mph or less.   They do not apply to bridleways, byways, and country lanes where there is no speed limit.  The rule there is quite simple - watch your step!   

A week ago I contacted our local council (not Stockport) about the problem and 3 days later the dog warden was seen in our lane, speaking to dog walkers and putting up posters. The poo is noticeably less.
Result!
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: chicken lady on April 28, 2015, 10:36:45 PM
Sorry Admin, I haven't done the quote and Dave's reply properly, iPad not playing!
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Rachael on June 14, 2015, 08:11:27 PM
Took my lab to Marple Memorial park this morning, unfortunately had to watch where I was walking on more than one occasion on the grass there .... what is wrong with people, was there talk of more CCTV , will this happen.... , would not mind but there are ample bins there, and dog waste can be disposed of in the public bins so no excuse !! Will email relevant people when i get home from work tomorrow,  it gets me so cross.  Unfortunately the Marple rugby pitch field is bad at the moment too , and I'm sure everyone knows kids and adults play sports on their, it really is disgusting .... these dogs are not on their own walking, they are with owners :(
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on June 14, 2015, 09:51:22 PM
Thanks for letting us know @Pink Panther, I had to clear up 3 lots around the flowerbeds for our task day yesterday too.

Please do report it to using the links.

To answer your question about CCTV, we've had a single camera installed that looks at the bowling green and buildings, the toilets, play area and front of library. In fact I'm going to a meeting about it tomorrow and waiting for a demo of how it works. But there won't be any more cameras installed in the near future and we only got this one with some heavy string-pulling by local councillors.

The walk to and from school along Cross Lane has been much better recently, which is why I've not posted anything here for a while. The Middlewood Way seems better too, although I suspect a lot of it is not visible in the undergrowth now things are shooting up.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on July 10, 2015, 07:50:38 PM
This evening I've reported the person who allowed their dog to foul the path right outside my house at 11:07am. The owner can been seen "picking up" on my security camera but it was obviously a half-hearted attempt as this is what was left behind. I had to pick up the remains and scrub and disinfect the pavement to ensure that my 3 young grandchildren and other visitors to our house did not step in it as it is right in front of our path.

It will be good to hear what the dog warden has to say and if he is interested in seeing the video evidence.

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Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Rachael on July 11, 2015, 11:12:39 AM
I have messaged you Mark .   There is someone who comes to the rugby pitch to walk their dog , a while back  my husband had a conversation with him and this man told him he does not bother to clean up after his dog, he was so brazen about it, my husband thought he was joking .  My son recently saw the same man with his dog ( black labrador ) down the middlewood way  and he did not clean up after his dog, my son is only a child, so did not approach him .   He comes to the rugby club field  in his car and parks in the middlewood way car park ( not the rugby club car park ) , he is probably in his late sixties, early seventies.   I am waiting to see him again and I will get his car reg number and report him myself .  I cant report a man with a black lab, as some mornings there are several black labs on the field , but he is the only owner of a black lab I have seen come in a car .  If anyone knows who this man is, then please feel free to send me a personal message . Please do not name him on here .
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on July 11, 2015, 04:56:30 PM
I hope you get the details that you need to report him @Pink Panther

Today I had to pick up this one in the Infants Play Area, left for the first unsuspecting toddler to stumble on. Dogs aren't allowed in the play areas for this very reason!

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Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: SHG on July 13, 2015, 10:40:21 AM
Hello,
@Pink Panther - as a committee member of Marple RUFC, I would like to thank you for your efforts to help stop the fouling of the pitches.

It has been an issue for a number of years and no signage, bins (burnt down) has been able to reduce the amount. This is a constant issue brought up within committee meetings due to the 200+ children using the pitches on Sunday and the obvious health risks.
We do our best to scan the pitches before they begin their sessions and touch wood have not had an accident so far.

As the pitches are mainly used in the evenings, it is difficult for members to keep an eye on them, so i'm glad to hear that other locals are able to assist.
I am a dog owner myself (small border collie) and will personally keep an eye out for this gentleman and pull him up if i see fit. - I keep a large amount of poo bags in my pocket and take great pleasure of providing one to an owner who hasn't picked up their dogs business!(you should see some of their faces)

Thanks again,
Simon
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Rachael on July 14, 2015, 03:52:27 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3035127/100-spot-fines-dog-walkers-don-t-poop-scoop-bags-public-outrage-waste-grows.html

This is a good idea !
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Dave on July 16, 2015, 10:57:52 AM
It might look like a good idea, but how will dog wardens know whether people are carrying poo bags?  Or will they be empowered to conduct a full body search   :o
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: nbt on July 16, 2015, 01:31:53 PM
It might look like a good idea, but how will dog wardens know whether people are carrying poo bags?  Or will they be empowered to conduct a full body search   :o

*imagines*

Quote
Can you show me your dog poo bags?

No? Here's a fine.

What's that sorry? You have them? Well you should have show them to me when I asked.

Can't see the problem myself. If you can't prove you have them by showing some, you get fined.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: simonesaffron on July 17, 2015, 07:17:30 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3035127/100-spot-fines-dog-walkers-don-t-poop-scoop-bags-public-outrage-waste-grows.html

This is a good idea !

No, this is a silly idea. Sounds like an item in, 'Have I got News for You,' probably is.

' Assume the Position and show us your poo bags . '

Typical Daily Mail. Why does every headline in the DM contain the word OUTRAGE.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: nbt on July 17, 2015, 02:35:07 PM
why is it silly? specifically? because you don't like it? I don't like dog poo everywhere, and I think it's a brilliant idea. if you have a bag for your dog's poo, you're ok, if not then  WHY NOT
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: simonesaffron on July 17, 2015, 03:23:56 PM
It is silly because it cannot be enforced either in the park or in the courts.

It is silly because Stockport has 2 Dog Wardens for the whole of Stockport.

It is silly because the Council won't adopt it.

It is silly because it is in The DAILY MAIL and everything in there is silly.   
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Dave on July 17, 2015, 04:00:29 PM
Can't see the problem myself. If you can't prove you have them by showing some, you get fined.

If some officious jobsworth wearing a high-vis vest saying 'Dog Warden' asked to see what's in my pockets I would tell him to stick his whistle where the sun don't shine.   8)
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on July 17, 2015, 05:27:10 PM
So how can this problem be tackled then?

When we set up our gazebos for the Locks Festival recently in a space of 6m x 3m we had to pick up 4 lots of dog mess just within that area. Just a random sample of the park.

We regularly have to pick-up dog mess when we are maintaining the flowerbeds in the park so that we don't get it all over shoes and clothes.

Last week, as explained earlier, we had to pick up dog mess from the infants play area where dogs are not even supposed to be.

Also last week, one of our volunteers was verbally abused and intimidated by a dog owner for politely asking him "is this your dog" that had just fouled the flowerbeds she was working in.

I for one would like to see the results of trying out any new ideas to stop this mess in our parks and on our streets.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Melancholyflower on July 18, 2015, 12:00:39 AM
Bit of an overreaction to some thoughtful ideas to tackle this issue.

Not exactly a crusade against basic human rights, more a reinforcement of common courtesy and responsibility for one's pets. It should be applauded.

Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: simonesaffron on July 18, 2015, 08:52:24 AM
There seems to be something about dog owners' as a group of people that doesn't apply in the same ratio to other groups, say cyclists or horse owners.

There seems to be a large number of irresponsible dog owners' as well as a large number of responsible owners  perhaps 50/50. Yet these irresponsible are not necessarily irresponsible people in other ways, just as dog owners. In support of this hypothesis I have two friends who  both keep dogs. One set of dogs is completely under control whereas the others are not, yet both people are very responsible in all other ways. In further support of this I notice that when we had a dog licencing system only 50% of dog owners had a licence so half of them were breaking the law.

Speaking of dog licences, perhaps we should reintroduce them ( the RSPCA is in favour).

So we would say that all dog owners' have to have a licence and pay say £100.00 per dog. We could use this money to provide pooh bags and dog wardens and micro chip all dogs and perhaps do other things to improve the situation, even for the dogs, but ensure that  their behaviour could be traced back to their owners.

Make the owners responsible for their dogs.

I had some business in South Manchester last week. There appeared to be several dogs roaming around that didn't seem to be owned by anybody. I am not a dog person. I have never really understood England's attitude towards them. However I am not normally intimidated by dogs but a couple of these apparent strays seemed quite ferocious.           
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Dave on July 18, 2015, 10:38:17 AM
Speaking of dog licences, perhaps we should reintroduce them ( the RSPCA is in favour).

So we would say that all dog owners' have to have a licence and pay say £100.00 per dog. We could use this money to provide pooh bags and dog wardens and micro chip all dogs and perhaps do other things to improve the situation, even for the dogs, but ensure that  their behaviour could be traced back to their owners.

A very good idea.

So how can this problem be tackled then?

I think it's going to take some time, and come about slowly through a combination of law enforcement and education, leading to a gradual acceptance that leaving dog poo on pavements and in parks is not socially acceptable.  It's a bit like drink driving - when I started driving, a very long time ago, nobody thought twice about downing several pints and then driving home.  But nowadays it is generally frowned upon, and as a result fewer people do it, and the vehicle accident rate has fallen significantly.  But that change in behaviour took many years to bed in. 

If you think about it, when we old codgers were kids, the idea of stopping to pick up your dog poo and take it away in a plastic bag would have been regarded as ridiculous.  Now it's the norm, but not everyone has cottoned on yet! 
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: simonesaffron on July 18, 2015, 02:32:26 PM
Hey Dave,

Who are you calling an 'old codger?'
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Dave on July 18, 2015, 07:11:01 PM
It's OK Simone - old codgers are male. Not sure what the female equivalent is. Maybe 'old biddy'? But you're not one of those, of course.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Dizzy Penguin on July 20, 2015, 02:51:02 PM
I've always thought of it as Simon E rather than Simone.

Meanwhile, amen to this... http://www.whyihatedogs.com/10-reasons-why-i-hate-dogs (http://www.whyihatedogs.com/10-reasons-why-i-hate-dogs)
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: simonesaffron on July 21, 2015, 08:35:59 AM
Thank you Dizzy,

Simone Saffron.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Dave on July 24, 2015, 10:26:24 AM
Blimey Simone, I always thought you were female.  So I don't need to be polite to you any more.   ;)
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: simonesaffron on July 25, 2015, 07:39:22 AM
Gender shouldn't be an issue here but as it is, yes I am female. With 2 ex husbands, 2 children and 3 grandchildren to support my notion . 

How many men do you know called Simone?
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Dave on July 25, 2015, 07:48:30 AM
OK Simone.  I thought you were thanking Dizzy for acknowledging your correct gender:

I've always thought of it as Simon E rather than Simone.

Thank you Dizzy,

How many men do you know called Simone?

Well I know a woman called Darryl and a man called Hilary.  And of course, Johny Cash knew a Boy Named Sue.   ;D

Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: simonesaffron on July 25, 2015, 09:07:41 AM
No Dave, I was thanking her for acknowledging  y incorrect gender.

I was being gracious as you often are.

'Often,' I said, not always.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Dizzy Penguin on July 27, 2015, 10:31:06 AM
Thank you Simone, for being equally incorrect ;)

I give my gender away in this thread. (http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=6140.msg37212)
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Snowball on August 05, 2015, 11:35:05 AM
Things are no better.

I've just been in Memorial Park with my grandkids and the amount of dog poo is absolutely disgusting. It's everywhere in the grass, my wife stood in it and we spent all our time chasing after the grandkids trying to steer them away from the numerous freshly left piles.

It appears to me that the owners who let their dogs run free around the grass areas pay little or no attention to what their dogs are doing. It seems to be a case of if the dog is not on a lead it's not the owners responsibility.

If this is the attitude perhaps it's time to have a requirement that dogs are not allowed off their leads.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on August 05, 2015, 11:48:38 AM
Things are no better.

I've just been in Memorial Park with my grandkids and the amount of dog poo is absolutely disgusting. It's everywhere in the grass, my wife stood in it and we spent all our time chasing after the grandkids trying to steer them away from the numerous freshly left piles.

It appears to me that the owners who let their dogs run free around the grass areas pay little or no attention to what their dogs are doing. It seems to be a case of if the dog is not on a lead it's not the owners responsibility.

If this is the attitude perhaps it's time to have a requirement that dogs are not allowed off their leads.

Can you please make a complaint to the Dog Warden @Snowball

http://www.stockport.gov.uk/services/environment/envhealth/animalwelfare/dogwardenservice/dogfouling/dogfoulingcomplaints
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Snowball on August 05, 2015, 01:00:54 PM
Can you please make a complaint to the Dog Warden @Snowball

http://www.stockport.gov.uk/services/environment/envhealth/animalwelfare/dogwardenservice/dogfouling/dogfoulingcomplaints

The trouble is Mark I haven't got any specific intelligence to report as to the owners responsible. To quote the website "Please note that this form should only be used where intelligence is known"
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on August 05, 2015, 01:35:06 PM
The trouble is Mark I haven't got any specific intelligence to report as to the owners responsible. To quote the website "Please note that this form should only be used where intelligence is known"

Then I would complain direct to the Dog Warden using dog.warden@stockport.gov.uk and copy in local councillors (or the other way around):

cllr.geoff.abell@stockport.gov.uk
cllr.shan.alexander@stockport.gov.uk
cllr.kenny.blair@stockport.gov.uk
cllr.martin.candler@stockport.gov.uk
cllr.annette.finnie@stockport.gov.uk
cllr.susan.ingham@stockport.gov.uk

It really is time that someone was caught and fined.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: marveld on August 05, 2015, 02:17:31 PM
Perhaps someone should ambush the offenders!  ;)

http://tinyurl.com/oxb388b (http://tinyurl.com/oxb388b)
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Lily on August 05, 2015, 05:24:44 PM
When I filled the form in re 'smoking in parks' I added in the extra comments section that, in my opinion, dogs should be kept on a lead in all parkland (and definitely NOT be allowed near any play areas).
Some people would, no doubt, still turn a 'blind eye' when their dog fouls but it might make a few of the 'offenders' think about it and possibly clean up.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: pirate Princess on August 16, 2015, 10:11:16 AM
I have just moved out of Marple part time to live in Yorkshire with my boyfriend, and the problem we have is sheep poo on the footpaths.the farmers just let them run wild and I have to say it's very funny walking down the road to the shops seeing a lamb and it's mum hanging outside the co-op. I do honestly have to say I do not miss the dog crap at all - some Marple dog owners are lazy and disgusting and dread to think what their houses are like if they just leave poo lying around.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Snowball on August 17, 2015, 12:50:05 PM
The last straw, now had dog poo spread across the path immediately in front of our drive. The bloody owner not only ignored picking it up but also allowed their dog to squat right outside our driveway. Some poor soul has already trodden in it, but then decided to try and scrape it off on our drive !!



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Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: sooty2 on August 17, 2015, 03:17:17 PM
I suggest keeping your camera at hand.Rather than taking pictures of the problem. Take a picture of the cause, The owner! I would think the offender is probably local to the area and possibly could be identified.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Snowball on August 17, 2015, 10:25:46 PM
I suggest keeping your camera at hand.Rather than taking pictures of the problem. Take a picture of the cause, The owner! I would think the offender is probably local to the area and possibly could be identified.

Well I sort of had a forlorn hope that the owner might read these forums and recognise what he/she left for us to clear up. But yea if I see them repeat it I will be taking a picture.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Dave on September 23, 2015, 01:25:34 PM
Whilst I share the general view that dog poo is unpleasant stuff and is not nice to tread in, and should not be left lying around on paths and pavements, and especially not on sports pitches (ugh!), some people do seem to get a bit obsessive about it. 

Walking my dog along a track near the Peak Forest canal yesterday, I passed a guy cutting his hedge, and he looked up at me and said 'Don't think I'm getting at you, but you will clean up after that dog won't you.'  I replied 'has my dog ever made a mess here', and he said 'no, I don't think I've ever seen you before - but I'm just checking'!    ::)
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: EmmyJane Designs on October 05, 2015, 11:49:49 AM

Memorial park was very busy yesterday. Due to the glorious the park was filled with small children and many dogs. I was dismayed to see lots of piles of poo and saw many children who were in danger of sliding in it while playing a game of rugby.

Last week I saw a young chap out walking his brown labrador on the Marple end of Macc forest canal. The dog left a huge pile at the side in the grass. The owner made no attempt to pick it up. I walked past and wanted to say something. However after turning around a few times to check if it was being the scooped the owner hid in the bushes.

I wish I had said something but I'm sick of having abuse hurled my way.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: simonesaffron on October 05, 2015, 04:35:57 PM
Well, you either have the courage to say something, or you don't.

Writing on here under the cloak of a nom de plume will make little difference
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: EmmyJane Designs on October 05, 2015, 07:08:24 PM
Thanks for the helpful comments  ;)
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on October 05, 2015, 07:13:06 PM
Last week I saw a young chap out walking his brown labrador on the Marple end of Macc forest canal. The dog left a huge pile at the side in the grass. The owner made no attempt to pick it up. I walked past and wanted to say something. However after turning around a few times to check if it was being the scooped the owner hid in the bushes.

If you have intelligence about the culprit then you should report it to the dog warden. A photo and or description, date and time. You could also try to identify where the person lives.

http://www.stockport.gov.uk/doitonline/az/dogfoulingproblems

They seem to have changed the link recently btw.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: GM on November 16, 2015, 03:40:17 PM
Its not about being obsessed about dog mess, its about the simple act of taking a minute to pick it up what your dog has left!.

If you take a walk along the canals, you see piles everywhere, if you own a dog pick it up and take it home.
People aren't paid to keep the footpaths, pavements and streets clean.

Other walkers & dog owners should be shaming each other and asking why your not carrying a full bag on your way home!.
I would even go as far as saying horse owners should stop and shovel, if they're riding along the canal tow paths!.

Maybe, the Marple website should host a name & shame campaign with a post your photo gallery of offending dog & owners ?.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Dave on December 13, 2015, 04:58:07 PM
Although I share the general antipathy to dog poo articulated on this thread, I do think it's becoming a bit excessive.  It all started as an entirely reasonable and understandable wish to keep our pavements, parks and sports pitches clean, but maybe we are in danger of getting a bit obsessive about it.   For example, walking the dog round the muddy tracks between Mellor Cross and New Mills Golf Club the other day, I came across this amusing example of the occasionally over-zealous approach to this issue.  :)

(http://i.imgur.com/LouhxjG.jpg)
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: marplerambler on December 13, 2015, 10:52:31 PM
....walking the dog round the muddy tracks between Mellor Cross and New Mills Golf Club the other day, I came across this amusing example of the occasionally over-zealous approach to this issue.  :)


Brilliant!!!! :)
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: prestbury on January 06, 2016, 09:45:41 PM
I want to know what Stockport MBC are doing to address the problem in their Council area and particularly in Marple,
Apparently not a lot judging by the state of some of the waste bins.

Spotted yesterday and not on its own.
(http://www.priestnall.com/Marple-2016-01-05.jpg)
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Dave on January 07, 2016, 05:50:26 PM
As Cllr Geoff Abell recently pointed out on another thread:
   Less funds from central government means something does have to give.  There is £21m less next year.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Rudolph Hucker on March 14, 2016, 08:33:42 PM
A local publican let his 2 dogs out unattended late last night. One of them crossed the road and, by the light of the streetlight opposite, it was seen to deposit a significant "load" onto the pavement. I would be amazed if that was an isolated occurrence (but obviously being late at night it won't be witnessed too often).

RH.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on March 15, 2016, 05:54:22 AM
If you have intelligence about the culprit then you should report it to the dog warden.

http://www.stockport.gov.uk/doitonline/az/dogfoulingproblems (http://www.stockport.gov.uk/doitonline/az/dogfoulingproblems)
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: michael ringobells on March 19, 2016, 04:34:49 PM
As Cllr Geoff Abell recently pointed out on another thread:
1. The dogs are NEVER allowed on their own
2. The dogs are ALWAYS on a lead until WELL onto the canalpaths, as the roads are so busy and people do 50mph +++ late at night up Church Lane.
3. One of the dogs is very old and can lag behind on the canal path. It would not be beyond reasonable possibility that an "accident" would have occurred in the dark. If my attention had been brought to it, it would have cheerfully and speedily been dealt with
4. In December I purchased 500 "dog poo bags" which are always in my pocket. I have just put them on my shopping list -BECAUSE I HAVE ALMOST USED THEM ALL IN THREE MONTHS  !!
5. You obviously do not have the cojones to approach "the local publican" directly, but hide behind "R.H" - Pathetic Keyboard Warrior, peeping through windows. There is a front door in your house? USE IT !!
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Snowball on March 19, 2016, 10:59:28 PM
1. The dogs are NEVER allowed on their own
2. The dogs are ALWAYS on a lead until WELL onto the canalpaths, as the roads are so busy and people do 50mph +++ late at night up Church Lane.
3. One of the dogs is very old and can lag behind on the canal path. It would not be beyond reasonable possibility that an "accident" would have occurred in the dark. If my attention had been brought to it, it would have cheerfully and speedily been dealt with
4. In December I purchased 500 "dog poo bags" which are always in my pocket. I have just put them on my shopping list -BECAUSE I HAVE ALMOST USED THEM ALL IN THREE MONTHS  !!
5. You obviously do not have the cojones to approach "the local publican" directly, but hide behind "R.H" - Pathetic Keyboard Warrior, peeping through windows. There is a front door in your house? USE IT !!

Why do you protest so much, I know of another pub in Marple with two dogs.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: simonesaffron on March 20, 2016, 07:23:42 AM
As Michael says "an accident could have occurred in the dark," so accept his explanation with grace.

Snowball, do you ever write about anything else on this site, only dog pooh?   
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: ta41700 on March 21, 2016, 05:01:10 PM
If Michael is so upset after witnessing the two dogs fouling near his home, has he thought of bagging the mess and taking it back to the owner of the dogs!  :D
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: rsh on March 23, 2016, 10:44:14 AM
Not aimed at anyone but I can't help but say dogs are better kept on leads while ON canal paths too, unless they're exceptionally well trained. As a dog owner myself there seems no benefit for taking them off the lead there on a narrow linear path (not like in a wide open park area where they can run around) and if they're just meandering all over the place, as so many do, they can be annoying for other approaching dog walkers or cyclists.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on April 08, 2018, 05:11:53 PM
The council is consulting on proposals to promote responsible dog ownership in the Borough.

https://consultation.stockport.gov.uk/policy-performance-and-reform/pspo-responsible-dog-ownership/

Here's a news release they have put out about it:

HAVE YOUR SAY ON RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERSHIP

Stockport Council is consulting on proposals to promote responsible dog ownership in the Borough.

The Council understands that the majority of dog owners are responsible and look after both their dogs and their local environment. The Council, however, continues to receive complaints about dog fouling and irresponsible dog owners across the Borough.

In response to these complaints, the Council is consulting on proposals to introduce a number of additional measures that it believes will promote responsible dog ownership in the Borough.

These proposals include:

- Strengthen the existing provisions to prevent dog fouling by increasing the current fine from £50 to £100

- Excluding dogs from enclosed children’s play areas and other enclosed sports areas

- Requiring dogs to be kept on leads in cemeteries and around bowling greens

- No more than four dogs to be under the control of one person in parks and other public open areas

- Requiring people to have dog bags or the means to pick up after their dog when they are walking their dog

- Requiring people to put dogs on a lead when requested by an authorised officer

Residents have until 7th June 2018 to have their say at www.stockport.gov.uk/haveyoursay. Once this consultation has taken place, the Council will take a decision on what measures to introduce.

This is part of the ‘We Love Stockport – Be Proud of Where You Live’ campaign that is underway across the Borough.

Caroline Simpson, Corporate Director for Place at Stockport Council, said: “The Council is committed to improving the environment in Stockport but, unfortunately, dog fouling remains one of the biggest causes of complaints from residents. By doubling the fine from £50 to £100, we want to send a strong message that dog fouling is an environmental crime and we’ll prosecute those who don’t pick up after their dog.

“The other measures are designed to promote responsible dog ownership. We know the vast majority of dog owners are considerate and do care about the local environment, but we want to make sure that the Council’s greenspaces and public areas can be enjoyed by everybody.”

For more information visit www.stockport.gov.uk/haveyoursay
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: amazon on April 08, 2018, 09:45:57 PM
The council is consulting on proposals to promote responsible dog ownership in the Borough.

https://consultation.stockport.gov.uk/policy-performance-and-reform/pspo-responsible-dog-ownership/

Here's a news release they have put out about it:

HAVE YOUR SAY ON RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERSHIP

Stockport Council is consulting on proposals to promote responsible dog ownership in the Borough.

The Council understands that the majority of dog owners are responsible and look after both their dogs and their local environment. The Council, however, continues to receive complaints about dog fouling and irresponsible dog owners across the Borough.

In response to these complaints, the Council is consulting on proposals to introduce a number of additional measures that it believes will promote responsible dog ownership in the Borough.

These proposals include:

- Strengthen the existing provisions to prevent dog fouling by increasing the current fine from £50 to £100

- Excluding dogs from enclosed children’s play areas and other enclosed sports areas

- Requiring dogs to be kept on leads in cemeteries and around bowling greens

- No more than four dogs to be under the control of one person in parks and other public open areas

- Requiring people to have dog bags or the means to pick up after their dog when they are walking their dog

- Requiring people to put dogs on a lead when requested by an authorised officer

Residents have until 7th June 2018 to have their say at www.stockport.gov.uk/haveyoursay. Once this consultation has taken place, the Council will take a decision on what measures to introduce.

This is part of the ‘We Love Stockport – Be Proud of Where You Live’ campaign that is underway across the Borough.

Caroline Simpson, Corporate Director for Place at Stockport Council, said: “The Council is committed to improving the environment in Stockport but, unfortunately, dog fouling remains one of the biggest causes of complaints from residents. By doubling the fine from £50 to £100, we want to send a strong message that dog fouling is an environmental crime and we’ll prosecute those who don’t pick up after their dog.

“The other measures are designed to promote responsible dog ownership. We know the vast majority of dog owners are considerate and do care about the local environment, but we want to make sure that the Council’s greenspaces and public areas can be enjoyed by everybody.”

For more information visit www.stockport.gov.uk/haveyoursay
THEY ALLSO NEED TO INCREASE THE DOG BINS Go round etherrow dogs everywere but not many if any bins people are not going to walk around with it will dump it some were .
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Rudolph Hucker on April 09, 2018, 12:01:04 PM
Just a quick question; how many people annually are fined the current £50 for dog fouling, does anyone know?

RH.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: andrewbowden on April 09, 2018, 01:19:49 PM
Just a quick question; how many people annually are fined the current £50 for dog fouling, does anyone know?

RH.

The council will.  You could put in a Freedom of Information request.

One thing they could potentially do with the increased fines, is spend it on enforcement.  I used to live in an area where they increased the fines for littering and hired more people to do the enforcement.  And that would (hopefully) bring in more fines ;)
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on April 09, 2018, 02:04:00 PM
Just a quick question; how many people annually are fined the current £50 for dog fouling, does anyone know?

RH.

I don't know the answer to that question but I do know that nobody has EVER been fined for dog fouling in Marple Memorial Park.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Snowball on April 09, 2018, 10:45:48 PM
The council will.  You could put in a Freedom of Information request.



If you look back to post 41 I did just that, some time ago now but I bet things haven’t improved.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on April 10, 2018, 06:41:45 AM
If you look back to post 41 I did just that, some time ago now but I bet things haven’t improved.

That's right @Snowball ! I knew I'd seen it somewhere and didn't realise it was right here in this thread. Here's what you discovered then.......

I submitted my Freedom of Information Request to Stockport MBC, questions and answers  below

1.         How many Dog Wardens are currently employed by Stockport MBC?

One dog warden currently employed.

2.         How many Fixed Penalty tickets for dog fouling were issued in 2014 by Dog Wardens and PCSO's ?

2 FPNs were issued for dog fouling offences in 2014.  1 by a PCSO and 1 by a dog warden.
 
3.         How many prosecutions for dog fouling were undertaken in 2014 by Stockport MBC ?

None.
 
4.         Of the Fixed Penalty tickets issued how many were issued in Marple ?

None.

The answers speak for themselves really, it's little wonder that the problem is so widespread with the meager resources deployed. Two Fixed Penalty tickets issued in the whole of the MBC area makes you realise why some dog owners are happy to ignore the law with impunity.

Apologies for funny formatting (sorted - Admin)
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: nbt on April 10, 2018, 10:09:28 AM
THEY ALLSO NEED TO INCREASE THE DOG BINS Go round etherrow dogs everywere but not many if any bins people are not going to walk around with it will dump it some were .

how bloody heavy is dog poo? if it's too heavy too carry, maybe people shouldn't have dogs? if its not too heavy, don't leave it somewhere. If it's too disgusting for you to carry, it's twice as disgusting for you to leave it packaged up into a neat little bag hanging from a tree or stuffed into a wall. Some people really need a talking to.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Dave on April 10, 2018, 11:48:55 AM
The problem with carrying a loaded 'doggy bag' is not one of weight but simply one of convenience, if that is the right expression!

These proposals are reasonable and welcome when applied to urban and suburban pavements, parks, sports pitches, children's play areas etc, all of which need to be kept clean, and which are usually provided with waste bins.  But once you get away from the suburbs and into the country, they don't really make much sense.  Those of us who walk our dogs out in the Peak District or just around the bridleways and byways of the Goyt Valley, sometimes going for miles and taking a couple of hours or more (during which you never pass a waste bin) are simply not going to walk that distance carrying a bag of dog poo.   We have a supply of doggy bags in our pockets, and we use them when we can, but when away from roads and paved footpaths we will have to continue doing what we do now, which is either to ensure that our dogs are off the track when they do their business, or (if they go where they shouldn't) simply flick or kick it into the undergrowth or (on the towpath) into the canal. 

That may or may not comply with the proposed new regulations, but it is the reality of country life, and until the British countryside is fully equipped with waste bins, complete with teams of countryside rangers to empty them evey week (don't hold your breath!) it will carry on that way.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: andrewbowden on April 10, 2018, 12:01:55 PM
The problem with carrying a loaded 'doggy bag' is not one of weight but simply one of convenience, if that is the right expression!

These proposals are reasonable and welcome when applied to urban and suburban pavements, parks, sports pitches, children's play areas etc, all of which need to be kept clean, and which are usually provided with waste bins.  But once you get away from the suburbs and into the country, they don't really make much sense.  Those of us who walk our dogs out in the Peak District or just around the bridleways and byways of the Goyt Valley, sometimes going for miles and taking a couple of hours or more (during which you never pass a waste bin) are simply not going to walk that distance carrying a bag of dog poo.   We have a supply of doggy bags in our pockets, and we use them when we can, but when away from roads and paved footpaths we will have to continue doing what we do now, which is either to ensure that our dogs are off the track when they do their business, or (if they go where they shouldn't) simply flick or kick it into the undergrowth or (on the towpath) into the canal. 

The Forestry Commission runs a campaign urging people to flick it.  In the countryside bagged poo left dangling for the poo bag fairies is far worse for the environment than just flicking it into the undergrowth. 
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Steve Gribbon on April 10, 2018, 10:16:28 PM

Good evening.

I have some pink bio-degradable spray that has been used in other areas of the UK to highlight poo left behind on footpaths. The idea is that the poo is sprayed and this is designed to show inconsiderate owners that it is being noticed. It has proved popular in other parts of the UK.

I intend to go down Middlewood way in the next few days and do some 'highlighting'. Before I do, if anyone has an opinion either positive or negative it would be read and taken on. Personally I think anything is worth a go, this might just help. I won't do anything until Thursday morning so this gives people time to say their views.

Your comments as always are welcome. Please join in with your thoughts.

Seven Months into my Councillor candidate campaign and I am still loving it, although spraying dog poo pink was not one of the things I thought I'd be involved in!!!

Kind regards

Steve Gribbon
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Blossom on April 10, 2018, 11:48:20 PM
The problem with carrying a loaded 'doggy bag' is not one of weight but simply one of convenience, if that is the right expression!

These proposals are reasonable and welcome when applied to urban and suburban pavements, parks, sports pitches, children's play areas etc, all of which need to be kept clean, and which are usually provided with waste bins.  But once you get away from the suburbs and into the country, they don't really make much sense.  Those of us who walk our dogs out in the Peak District or just around the bridleways and byways of the Goyt Valley, sometimes going for miles and taking a couple of hours or more (during which you never pass a waste bin) are simply not going to walk that distance carrying a bag of dog poo.   We have a supply of doggy bags in our pockets, and we use them when we can, but when away from roads and paved footpaths we will have to continue doing what we do now, which is either to ensure that our dogs are off the track when they do their business, or (if they go where they shouldn't) simply flick or kick it into the undergrowth or (on the towpath) into the canal. 

That may or may not comply with the proposed new regulations, but it is the reality of country life, and until the British countryside is fully equipped with waste bins, complete with teams of countryside rangers to empty them evey week (don't hold your breath!) it will carry on that way.

Well said Dave.  We walked our dog through some woodland in the Peak District area and there was actually a sign up from the owners of the woodland (I am struggling to remember who it definitely was but I am pretty sure it was English Heritage) and there was actually a sign up asking dog owners to 'stick and flick' rather than use a plastic bag.  The sign said that the dog poo would deteriorate quicker 'out in the open' rather than in a plastic bag.  As long as it flicked into a bush or well off the paths that are obviously walked on, I can't see the problem.  I do it all the time in areas such as this woodland.

I NEVER leave it on footpaths, roads, Brabyns or Memorial Park, or anywhere other than in the depth of the countryside and deep in woodland.  If they bring in a law that you have to have a poo bag on you if questioned, that is fine by me, as every single coat I own has poo bags in the pockets.  I also support heavy fines was anyone leaving dog poo on pavements, parks, etc. 
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Blossom on April 10, 2018, 11:53:52 PM
Good evening.

I have some pink bio-degradable spray that has been used in other areas of the UK to highlight poo left behind on footpaths. The idea is that the poo is sprayed and this is designed to show inconsiderate owners that it is being noticed. It has proved popular in other parts of the UK.

I intend to go down Middlewood way in the next few days and do some 'highlighting'. Before I do, if anyone has an opinion either positive or negative it would be read and taken on. Personally I think anything is worth a go, this might just help. I won't do anything until Thursday morning so this gives people time to say their views.

Your comments as always are welcome. Please join in with your thoughts.

Seven Months into my Councillor candidate campaign and I am still loving it, although spraying dog poo pink was not one of the things I thought I'd be involved in!!!

Kind regards

Steve Gribbon

A lady who was renting a house near me tried this a few years ago, although with blue paint.  It looked an absolute mess and made the problem worse as she verbally attacked anyone with a dog so just to annoy her people seemed to leave more on the pavement.  Just to add I didn't.  In the end someone reported her to the Council and she was told to stop.  Perhaps you had better check with your possible future employers to see if they are now happy with someone doing this.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on April 11, 2018, 06:05:27 AM
Good evening.

I have some pink bio-degradable spray that has been used in other areas of the UK to highlight poo left behind on footpaths. The idea is that the poo is sprayed and this is designed to show inconsiderate owners that it is being noticed. It has proved popular in other parts of the UK.

I intend to go down Middlewood way in the next few days and do some 'highlighting'. Before I do, if anyone has an opinion either positive or negative it would be read and taken on. Personally I think anything is worth a go, this might just help. I won't do anything until Thursday morning so this gives people time to say their views.

Your comments as always are welcome. Please join in with your thoughts.

Seven Months into my Councillor candidate campaign and I am still loving it, although spraying dog poo pink was not one of the things I thought I'd be involved in!!!

Kind regards

Steve Gribbon

Friends of Memorial Park wanted to try this in the park some years ago, back in the days when we had a full-time park attendant, but the council wouldn't support it.

It would be interesting to trial it somewhere, although I would suggest talking to Greenspace Officers first.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Steve Gribbon on April 11, 2018, 08:09:37 AM

Good morning

Thank you for your messages so far, and that is the beauty of this site, open polite and reasonable debate.
I think checking with the Council is a really good idea and I shall do that, I was going put the reason for the pink spray onto laminate sheets and put them on lamp posts which I thought may also encourage picking up, but I will reply on here when I have been in contact.

Blossom-going out and ranting at people like the person you said is one thing I guarantee I would not do! I would like to see a couple of posts down there with bags available, but this is something I am hoping if I get elected I can get involved in.

Like I have said for Months, helping our community is why I am standing. This is another reason, not just for the fact it is unsightly, it is very much a health hazard too.

Kind regards

Steve Gribbon
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Dave on April 11, 2018, 10:22:16 AM
Considering Stockport is a metropolitan borough, some parts of it (e.g. round here) are surprisingly rural.   So it's important that councillors and officers keep that in mind when introducing new regulations - they should be fit for purpose in all parts of the borough, including out here in the 'sticks!' 
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: GM on April 11, 2018, 12:54:40 PM
Regardless of where you are you should be picking it up and taking it home or putting it into a designated bin.

Just kicking it down the side of a footpath or adjacent fields is absolutely inexcusable, dog poo can transmit worms and other life threatening parasites to livestock including sheep and cows.

Even if the fields are empty these parasites survive for a long period of time dormant waiting for livestock later in the year.
Such parasites cause livestock to die, abort pregnancy's, horses have also been known to eat the poo bags which despite there supposedly biodegradable nature don't just disappear overnight!.

Just because its rural is not an excuse!.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Dave on April 11, 2018, 04:28:10 PM
Ever seen a farmer picking up after his dog? No, me neither!

That said, actually I agree that dog poo should not be left in fields where there is livestock, and no-one on this thread has suggested that it should.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on April 15, 2018, 09:07:40 AM
Shared from Friends of the Park's web site:

A busy task day in pleasant sunshine was a little marred for Friends of Memorial Park yesterday. We were very disappointed to have to fill 4 bags with dog mess from around the flowerbeds before we could make a start on maintenance.

Unfortunately over the next 15 minutes we had problems with several dog owners. The first let his two spaniels out in the car park. Full of energy, they crashed through our flowerbeds many times before one of them crapped amongst the plants. While the owner picked up, the other dog continued his running through the beds breaking off daffodils. After suggesting to the owner that he keep his dogs on a lead until past the flowerbeds, and he replied "fair point", they continued on their trail of destruction into the War Memorial Beds, where the second dog crapped. So the owner then had to walk into the bed himself to clear up while the pair of them continued to burn off energy crashing through the low hedges we planted last year.

The next one was a lady whose dog crapped near the beds but she was too busy talking on her phone to notice. When this was pointed out to her she picked up but without apology or acknowledgement or interruption of her phone conversation.

We then had another lady who allowed her dog to crap in a flowerbed and on the edge of the border. She picked up but when asked why she needed to let the dog crap on the beds because we have to kneel there to maintain them she didn't seem to understand our concerns. While this was going on her second dog, a small Jack Russell type, continued wandering happily through the beds taking no notice of her efforts to call it out. When told what we thought of this and that her dog should be under control she said she didn't like my rudeness (the word crap was used several times) and although she supported what we did in the park she wasn't sure if she could continue to do so. Well this is the kind of support we can do without!

Then just when things were calming down and we were getting back to work another owner with a dog on a long lead allowed it to wander back and forth through one of the beds. When spoken to he said "the dog was in sniffing mode"!

Thankfully things got back to normal after that and we managed to put fresh edges to all the beds, get lots of weeds out and add a selection of new plants. Work was also done to the Toilet Bed and Jubilee Bed, and the WWI silhouette at the park entrance was cleaned of the mud that someone had thrown on it. We also tidied up the mess left by the contractor around the benches at the park entrance when they replaced the York stone that had been stolen.

On a much happier note, we also continued our Little Growers scheme, which encourages young children to take home some seeds to grow and nurture before planting back in the park later in the year. This is proving very popular and we'll do it for the final time this year during the next task day on 28 April, which will also be the annual Family Treasure Hunt.

http://www.marplememorialpark.org.uk/task-days/task-days-in-2018.html
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: CllrGeoffAbell on April 15, 2018, 10:18:05 AM
Couple of points on this issue.

Firstly, we have checked with officers re the pink spray.  (@Blossom - nominally councillors are in charge!  I am pleased to say they listen to us, and we listen to them.)

Secondly, as someone recently mentioned in a scrutiny meeting, some things are so much better these days.  One is casual drink-driving and another is that dog-owners normally pick up after their pets.  Not to say there aren't exceptions, of course...

I suspect that I spoke yesterday to the lady who posted.  She came up with a good idea of an area where it's safe to let dogs off the lead.  I doubt it could be enforceable, but most people react well to polite requests I find.  The park has all sorts of users.

Incidentally, I am standing down as a councillor.  In my time, I've noticed Marple Memorial Park go from strength to strength, in spite of the cuts in resources (directly as a result of government cuts in funding to local councils).  Friends and volunteers really have stepped up and I thank them.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: amazon on April 15, 2018, 10:25:32 AM
Shared from Friends of the Park's web site:

A busy task day in pleasant sunshine was a little marred for Friends of Memorial Park yesterday. We were very disappointed to have to fill 4 bags with dog mess from around the flowerbeds before we could make a start on maintenance.

Unfortunately over the next 15 minutes we had problems with several dog owners. The first let his two spaniels out in the car park. Full of energy, they crashed through our flowerbeds many times before one of them crapped amongst the plants. While the owner picked up, the other dog continued his running through the beds breaking off daffodils. After suggesting to the owner that he keep his dogs on a lead until past the flowerbeds, and he replied "fair point", they continued on their trail of destruction into the War Memorial Beds, where the second dog crapped. So the owner then had to walk into the bed himself to clear up while the pair of them continued to burn off energy crashing through the low hedges we planted last year.

The next one was a lady whose dog crapped near the beds but she was too busy talking on her phone to notice. When this was pointed out to her she picked up but without apology or acknowledgement or interruption of her phone conversation.

We then had another lady who allowed her dog to crap in a flowerbed and on the edge of the border. She picked up but when asked why she needed to let the dog crap on the beds because we have to kneel there to maintain them she didn't seem to understand our concerns. While this was going on her second dog, a small Jack Russell type, continued wandering happily through the beds taking no notice of her efforts to call it out. When told what we thought of this and that her dog should be under control she said she didn't like my rudeness (the word crap was used several times) and although she supported what we did in the park she wasn't sure if she could continue to do so. Well this is the kind of support we can do without!

Then just when things were calming down and we were getting back to work another owner with a dog on a long lead allowed it to wander back and forth through one of the beds. When spoken to he said "the dog was in sniffing mode"!

Thankfully things got back to normal after that and we managed to put fresh edges to all the beds, get lots of weeds out and add a selection of new plants. Work was also done to the Toilet Bed and Jubilee Bed, and the WWI silhouette at the park entrance was cleaned of the mud that someone had thrown on it. We also tidied up the mess left by the contractor around the benches at the park entrance when they replaced the York stone that had been stolen.

On a much happier note, we also continued our Little Growers scheme, which encourages young children to take home some seeds to grow and nurture before planting back in the park later in the year. This is proving very popular and we'll do it for the final time this year during the next task day on 28 April, which will also be the annual Family Treasure Hunt.

http://www.marplememorialpark.org.uk/task-days/task-days-in-2018.html
Sorry but they should be shot the dogs that is .
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on April 15, 2018, 10:40:01 AM
Sorry but they should be shot the dogs that is .

Even for me that's a bit extreme Amazon! It is more the owners' fault than the dogs, it is the owners who need to change.

I suspect that I spoke yesterday to the lady who posted.  She came up with a good idea of an area where it's safe to let dogs off the lead.  I doubt it could be enforceable, but most people react well to polite requests I find.  The park has all sorts of users.

I agree with this and I have made the suggestion in my comments on the council consultation. What FoMMP would like to see is a "Dogs on leads until the designated area please!" sign across the paths at the main entrances to the park, maybe with some reminders where the paths converge. Then another line that when you cross it in one direction says "Dogs can be let off leads beyond this point" and in the other direction says "Dogs on leads beyond this point please". Maybe these could be complimented with some "Please keep dogs off the flowerbeds" signs too.

Incidentally, I am standing down as a councillor.  In my time, I've noticed Marple Memorial Park go from strength to strength, in spite of the cuts in resources (directly as a result of government cuts in funding to local councils).  Friends and volunteers really have stepped up and I thank them.

Thank you for acknowledging that Geoff. Without Friends of the Park there would be no flowerbeds in the park at all.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: rsh on April 16, 2018, 09:50:26 AM
Council’s proposals seem very fair and welcome, particularly increasing the fouling fine (even if it’s never used) and especially the limit to 4 dogs under the control of one person. Hopefully this might dissuade the professional dog walkers or private owners who feel it’s acceptable to let a whole pack loose across linear paths like Middlewood with little to no control and instead just constantly say “sorry” to everyone they pass for blocking their path or surrounding their own dog.

I feel for the friends of the park group having to deal with people like that. A general rule of “keep your dog under control OR on a lead” would be sensible in most places.

Yesterday I had a dog actually walk towards the front wheel of my bike along the canal, despite slowing to a crawl and moving right over, nearly sending me into the canal. The owner, with a second dog, both pointlessly meandering off their leads despite being on a narrow linear path, gave the usual jolly “sorry!” rather than ensuring the dogs were under control in the first place. He met with my sternest (not very stern) “yeah, that’s why I keep mine on a lead!” response. 8)
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: K.C.Dowling on April 16, 2018, 10:38:18 AM

I live opposite MMP and this situation is on the increase. I walk through it on a daily basis and I have witnessed countless examples of dog fouling incidents. I have on occasions tackled the culprits ( the dog owners that is not the dog ) and have been met with mixed responses. Admin's report on his 'task day' is a heartbreaking one and there is no doubt that a wonderful community asset is being degraded by these inconsiderate dog owners, as well as the negative effect their anti-social behaviour is having on a dedicated group of people who keep the park alive.

A resolution though, is within our grasp, it is certainly within the grasp of our local councillors and this resolution would be one of my priorities if I were a local councillor.

In my opinion, dog fouling people are tantamount to people who park in disabled parking spaces. They are just not like the rest of us. We don't understand why they would do it and they don't understand why we wouldn't do it. They will not cease unless we deter them.

During my time on the council, I cannot recall hearing of one single case across the whole of Stockport, ( let alone Marple) where there was a prosecution on dog fouling. This is what is needed. After all the consultations are over we must ensure that the council effects legal imposition and enforcement. The publicity of a handful of prosecutions will work wonders. What we must not do is allow local politicians to be politely( there's that word again) fobbed off by Senior Council Officers, once again, claiming lack of resources.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: CllrGeoffAbell on April 16, 2018, 12:34:59 PM
Stockport Council have just issued this.  If you are interested, dog-owner or not, please respond to the consultation.  Your comments will very much be reflected in decisions taken.


HAVE YOUR SAY ON RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERSHIP

Stockport Council is consulting on proposals to promote responsible dog ownership in the Borough.
The Council understands that the majority of dog owners are responsible and look after both their dogs and their local environment. The Council, however, continues to receive complaints about dog fouling and irresponsible dog owners across the Borough.

In response to these complaints, the Council is consulting on proposals to introduce a number of additional measures that it believes will promote responsible dog ownership in the Borough.
These proposals include:
- Strengthen the existing provisions to prevent dog fouling by increasing the current fine from £50 to £100
- Excluding dogs from enclosed children’s play areas and other enclosed sports areas
- Requiring dogs to be kept on leads in cemeteries and around bowling greens
- No more than four dogs to be under the control of one person in parks and other public open areas
- Requiring people to have dog bags or the means to pick up after their dog when they are walking their dog
- Requiring people to put dogs on a lead when requested by an authorised officer

Residents have until 7th June 2018 to have their say at www.stockport.gov.uk/haveyoursay. Once this consultation has taken place, the Council will take a decision on what measures to introduce.
This is part of the ‘We Love Stockport – Be Proud of Where You Live’ campaign that is underway across the Borough.

Caroline Simpson, Corporate Director for Place at Stockport Council, said: “The Council is committed to improving the environment in Stockport but, unfortunately, dog fouling remains one of the biggest causes of complaints from residents. By doubling the fine from £50 to £100, we want to send a strong message that dog fouling is an environmental crime and we’ll prosecute those who don’t pick up after their dog.
“The other measures are designed to promote responsible dog ownership. We know the vast majority of dog owners are considerate and do care about the local environment, but we want to make sure that the Council’s greenspaces and public areas can be enjoyed by everybody.”

For more information visit www.stockport.gov.uk/haveyoursay
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: K.C.Dowling on April 16, 2018, 01:08:33 PM
It's a good plan Geoff, I appreciate that you are keeping us informed but you'll be gone from the council by then.

The consultation and the plan is useless if we fail to effect legal imposition and enforcement.


We cannot accept statements such as ...No money... and only one dog warden... as the answer from the council.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on January 23, 2019, 12:34:14 PM
@CllrKennyBlair has started a petition about dog fouling in Marple. Give him your support and sign!

https://www.change.org/p/stockport-council-clean-up-our-streets
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: SHG on January 23, 2019, 01:52:50 PM
I'll give him my support if they stop taking all the bins away.

Two lap post attached bins on Station Road, plus bin next to bus stop on Stockport Road neat to The Drive. There maybe more, i've not found them yet.

I'll walk miles with a poo bag as a responsible owner, i cant speak for others if bins are not as available.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: admin on January 23, 2019, 03:43:48 PM
I'll give him my support if they stop taking all the bins away.

The petition says exactly that - it calls on SMBC to ensure there are enough bins and several other measures.
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Newbie1 on January 24, 2019, 05:29:29 PM
I've noticed an increased problem with dog fouling around Winnington/Ley Hey Park area recently as well.  I'm not sure increasing signs and bins will make much difference to the problem though. The money would be better spent purely on enforcement in my opinion. 
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: amazon on January 24, 2019, 09:21:31 PM
I've noticed an increased problem with dog fouling around Winnington/Ley Hey Park area recently as well.  I'm not sure increasing signs and bins will make much difference to the problem though. The money would be better spent purely on enforcement in my opinion.
Been a walk to chadkirk today parked in carpark to walk to the church knowing  the church is not open weekdays we just thought to call in .ariving at the gate to the church grounds there is a lawn which to day was being used by some dog training class and what a mess it was can someone tell me are dogs alowed in there is there any signs around we dint go through the gate .just turned round came back and over the river bridge .any councilars reading this please reply .
Title: Re: Dog poo fouled footpaths
Post by: Steve Gribbon on January 29, 2019, 10:10:13 PM
Good evening

I am collating requests to be sent to the Council to have dog fouling signs positioned where requested. This isn't for any 'political gain', I just offered to do so instead of 6 Marple Councillors sending in requests, it made more sense for our area for it to go from 1 person and I do like the glamorous jobs.

There are presently 15 signs for both Marple North and South requested. 

North-Brabyns Park Lacrosse Pitch, Middlewood Way near the rugby pitch (maybe South but still needed), Leighton Drive path, Brabyns Park near the Council Depot, 190 Stockport Road, Rose Walk, Rose Lane, 33 Cote Green Lane, Orchard Road, Ernocroft Road nr Belmont, George St Compstall, 149 Longhurst Lane, Knowle Road Mellor, Outside Ludworth School, 22 Compstall Road

South-Brickbridge Road, 54 Church Lane, Branham Road path, Mount Drive near cottages, Thornholme Road path, Hibbert Lane to Briarwood path, Hibbert Lane near the vets, Andrew Lane path to Deneway, 4 Fairacres Road, Keswick Road, Near to Goyt Mill, Light Column 14 Waterside, 48 Russell Avenue, Greenback Crescent path, 161 Strines Road

The signs are ordered in batches of 15 so when this amount is collated again then a new order will be placed. I used to be the proud owner of German Shepherd and I too got so frustrated by people leaving behind what is their responsibility to pick up and bin safely. Fingers crossed these new signs will have some effect.

Kind regards

Steve