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Archive => Archived Boards => Local Issues => Topic started by: admin on August 16, 2014, 07:24:35 AM
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Just for info.
I assume that this is the footpath that passes under the Aqueduct and Viaduct on the Romiley side of the river.
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The temporary closure order period is always longer than the period of closure needed if all work is carried out according to schedule . The closure period on the legal notice allows extra time for unseen problems or eventualities. The reason for this is that if six months were to be the expected period of the work and a problem arose resulting in a longer period being required a second legal notice would have to be made and the Council Solicitors would need to create a new order and this is a costly business. It is most strange that there there is not a map accompanying the order on display at the site but there should be a copy of the order and map for inspection at Stockport Town Hall reception and also at Marple and Stockport libraries.
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Is this to do with the removal of trees?
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It is most strange that there there is not a map accompanying the order on display at the site..........
There was but the person who sent it to me didn't include the map originally. They've sent it now and I must confess to be completely confused by it.
Is the key the right way round? Solid line closed and dotted line is the diversion? If so it looks to me like the canal towpath and under the viaduct is the diversion and the route that is closed is all through the streets of Marple Bridge, Compstall and Romiley.
If the key was the other way around then it would make more sense, however, why would the entire length of the canal need to be closed if it is for works on the viaduct.
Am I being thick? Can anyone explain the error of my interpretation please?
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I must agree the key does seem to be the wrong way round
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As Admin and Corium have noted, the key seems to be completely the wrong way round and there is no obvious reason to close this length of unrelated towpath - there are hardly going to be any works vehicles on it. The diversion is also extremely long if you are on foot and didn't find out until you got to the footpath closure.
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I have sent an email to Stockport Council suggesting the following:-
If the work is on the aqueduct surely the canal towpath should remain open to the Grosvenor Road FP58M/entry point to the park from the canal! You then drop into Brabyns Park cross the park to Bridleway 11 Bredbury and Romiley Rollins Lane from the Iron Bridge to Compstall. Cross the River Etherow on the road bridge at Compstall then double back following the northern bank of the river on FP15BR and FP16BR bottom of Watermeetings Lane to come back under the aqueduct to rejoin the canal on the western side of the river. This route is much shorter, uses Brabyns Park and follows footpaths or bridleways for its entire length (other than the road bridge over the river) and is much preferable to a marathon treck on the main road.
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Never mind on foot - I use the canal towpath on my commute to Hyde by bicycle so that I don't have to drop down into the valley and climb back out again (and so do a few other people that I know) so closing the viaduct itself will have a massive impact
Well, unless they do it in winter when it's too muddy and horrible to commute by bike anyway ;)
That diversion seems very long too. There are several shorter alternatives,e.g. through Brabyn's park and over the Iron Bridge, or over the bridge on the other side of the cutting here
http://streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=395280&Y=390106&A=Y&Z=115
the only reasons I can see that they would recommend such a long diversion are
1) they have to use footpaths indicated on the definitive map, and those mentioned above are not actually shown on the definitive map (else they'd show on the streetmap link)
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2) they are shutting the towpath between the viaduct and the bridge outside the industrial estate
Hope that it's the former not the latter
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I have sent an email to Stockport Council suggesting the following:-
If the work is on the aqueduct surely the canal towpath should remain open to the Grosvenor Road FP58M/entry point to the park from the canal! You then drop into Brabyns Park cross the park to Bridleway 11 Bredbury and Romiley Rollins Lane from the Iron Bridge to Compstall. Cross the River Etherow on the road bridge at Compstall then double back following the northern bank of the river on FP15BR and FP16BR bottom of Watermeetings Lane to come back under the aqueduct to rejoin the canal on the western side of the river. This route is much shorter, uses Brabyns Park and follows footpaths or bridleways for its entire length (other than the road bridge over the river) and is much preferable to a marathon treck on the main road.
The notice says the work is on the Viaduct, although I wouldn't be surprised if they meant the aqueduct! I think this is all very confusing and should be clarified by the council. Please let us know if you get a reply.
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A copy of the letter and map were attached at a tree at the marple end of the aqueduct at one point. About four weeks ago, they vanished. The towpath is still open, I've ridden it this morning. I'm not usre if this means they're not going to do anything or if they're re-doing the documenation with the correct map or if they're just not closing the towpath until work actually begins. Would be nice to confirm though, I might call Stockport ROW later
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The river and canal trust have a notice;
https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/notice/1050/marple-aqueduct
that gives dates of closure, and reasons.
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well, it's still open. A few weeks ago when it was first due to close I stopped on my commute and asked one of the workers what the work would entail. They're repointing the aqueduct, so they'll be building a large scaffolding structure that will overhang and hence block the path.
There's been more activity down there in the past few days, but still no sign of the pat closing. Yesterday morning I asked one of the workmen if he knew when it was going to close but he wasn't able to help. I'm just heaing down there each day and thinking "is this the day when I've got to turn back and head down to Compstall and up that bloody great big hill?" If it comes to that though I'll be riding up the pavement, I don't fancy crawling up that hill in the morning with all the drivers on the way to work
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well, it's still open. A few weeks ago when it was first due to close I stopped on my commute and asked one of the workers what the work would entail. They're repointing the aqueduct, so they'll be building a large scaffolding structure that will overhang and hence block the path.
There's been more activity down there in the past few days, but still no sign of the pat closing. Yesterday morning I asked one of the workmen if he knew when it was going to close but he wasn't able to help. I'm just heaing down there each day and thinking "is this the day when I've got to turn back and head down to Compstall and up that bloody great big hill?" If it comes to that though I'll be riding up the pavement, I don't fancy crawling up that hill in the morning with all the drivers on the way to work
NBT be careful if you ride your bike on the pavement. "Cycling on footways (a path at the side of a carriageway) is prohibited by Section 72 of the Highway Act 1835, amended by Section 85(1) of the Local Government Act 1888. This is punishable by a fixed penalty notice of £30 under Section 51 and Schedule 3 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988." (Quote from the Bike Hub cycling site)
An acquaintance of ours was done for it a while back.
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NBT be careful if you ride your bike on the pavement. "Cycling on footways (a path at the side of a carriageway) is prohibited by Section 72 of the Highway Act 1835, amended by Section 85(1) of the Local Government Act 1888. This is punishable by a fixed penalty notice of £30 under Section 51 and Schedule 3 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988." (Quote from the Bike Hub cycling site)
An acquaintance of ours was done for it a while back.
Does that include horses as well /
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Does that include horses as well /
I don't know if that particular piece of legislation covers it but yes, it is illegal for horses to be ridden or led on the roadside footpath.
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The aqueduct was closed this morning. Goodness only knows when it will be open again
As for cycling on pavements, that's a different discussion. I don't encourage it, but official ACPO guidance is that it should not be a problem if the rider is careful. Going up big hills on busy roads like the road from Compstall to Etherow, or Hempshaw Lane for instance, I think careful riding on the pavement should be OK.
“The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required.
http://www.bikehub.co.uk/featured-articles/cycling-and-the-law/
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Tweeted at the local Canal Trust account this week, and they said it will be closed until end of Feb! But it will open over the Christmas break, presumably while no work is taking place. Not sure exactly what they class as Christmas break. I often get off train early and run home to Marple, so a pain for me. Best route might be the one across the river near Chadkirk and then the riverside route to Rose Hill. Very muddy even in the summer, so dread to think what it is like now!
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the path from the new bridge alongside the river up to Marple Dale nursing home is awful at the moment. The new path up the school is fine though. From my house (near the ring o'bells), going to hyde via chadkirk is actually a tenth of a mile shorter than going though Marple memorial park and along the canal, but it does mean I spend more time on road and there's the climb back up to the canal as well :(
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Yes, I found out how bad it was Wednesday evening! Luckily, it had started to frost up so some bits I managed to 'glide' over, but other bits I sunk into up to my ankles. New route is about 8 mins longer (running quite slowly), went down to canal near paper mill, cut through woods and down to Chadkirk, over new bridge, through the bog, and up towards Rose Hill. Not too bad, but will be glad when the canal re-opens!
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When Connect2 - the route between Rosehill and Otterspool Bridge, was first discussed the Council was opposed to improving the riverside path owing to it occasionally flooding, so the Marple Hall route was chosen. Due to increased use with residents now having a pleasant round trip on offer the path has generally been in better condition than before, but I suspect the Council will still be opposed to improving matters.
As to the discussion on Riding Cycles on Pavements. Local cyclists have had several attempts at getting an alternative route up Otterspool Road from Otterspool Bridge ( I realise its not Compstall Brow ), but the Highways Department's response has been " nobody has been killed there yet, so it is not dangerous" and they don't have to do anything!!! I had an experienced cycling friend who lived on Overdale Rd who took to riding on the pavement between home and Marple Rd and was warned off by the police ( yes legally it is wrong ) so would ride into Romiley and down to Chadkirk - probably a 2 mile diversion just to bypass that section. Regrettably with a Council that treats its residents in that manner is it little wonder some cyclists take to the pavements for their own safety. Perhaps more people should support the cyclists.
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When Connect2 - the route between Rosehill and Otterspool Bridge, was first discussed the Council was opposed to improving the riverside path owing to it occasionally flooding, so the Marple Hall route was chosen.
I've never heard of the riverside path from Marple Dale farm to the weir/Chadkirk bridge "flooding". I was under the impression that the school route was chosen since there was a problem between the land owner(s) and the council reaching an agreement. Negotiations had dragged on to such an extent that the council feared they may lose funding, hence the change in route. I was told this by councillor Martin Candler.
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I've never heard of the riverside path from Marple Dale farm to the weir/Chadkirk bridge "flooding". I was under the impression that the school route was chosen since there was a problem between the land owner(s) and the council reaching an agreement. Negotiations had dragged on to such an extent that the council feared they may lose funding, hence the change in route. I was told this by councillor Martin Candler.
That is exactly my understanding too @marveld
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Some years ago, probably around 25 years ago !, the river did come over the path just below the lower farm. My daughter dropped her glasses in the water, we never found them.
Since then the weir has collapsed so the water level is now a lot lower.
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Can anyone advise if the towpath across the Aqueduct is currently open or closed please?
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It was open on Boxing Day - don't know about today though.
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It was open yesterday (Monday 29th), I understand it's open over the christmas period but wil be closed when work resumes - not sure if that will be Monday 5th perhaps?
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What it *looks* like they are doing is opening it at weekend, or at least that is what was happening pre-Xmas. I am not sure what they do once they finish the work at night... don't want to get all that way to find it closed!
I notice that at the moment they have actually fenced off the public footpath diversion that goes under the aquaduct and viaduct and up towards Cherry Tree Estate. I hopped over the fence (with baby daughter in backpack, hope the wife isn't reading!) and ignored it the other day... not sure they have advised anyone of that?
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I've moved NBT's post to this thread (http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=6002.0) but the quoted bit below is relevant to the Aqueduct:
Marple Aqueduct at the bottom of the locks will remain closed until the end of March
https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/notice/2108/marple-aqueduct
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Although the period quoted is from the Official Notice, we walked over the aqueduct only a week ago. At the time there was no work going on. The link posted above refers to navigation over the aqueduct, not necessarily relevant to walking.
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The link posted above refers to navigation over the aqueduct, not necessarily relevant to walking.
The link says that the towpath is closed. That is definitely relevant to walking - the alternative is to swim!
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Yes, apologies, it does say the footpath is closed, I had only read the bit about the navigation restriction. However, as I said, we walked along the tow path only a week ago without encountering anyone working there or any obstructions, so it will be up to those who use it to keep us informed.
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There is a piece on this tonight on 'BBC Northwest Tonight' programme. Which normally starts at 6.30 pm. BBC 1.
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The barriers were removed on Friday and I happily cycled straight through on my commute to and from work. They were also absent on Monday when a colleague ran to work and home (Disley to Hyde - now that deserves respect!). They were back this morning though, blocking access to the towpath at both sides *cough*
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There is a piece on this tonight on 'BBC Northwest Tonight' programme. Which normally starts at 6.30 pm. BBC 1.
I understand it is also on Granada Reports at 6pm, BBC, as @EmmyJane Designs says, at 6.30pm and also Radio Manchester and Manchester Evening News.
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Photos of TV interviews now on the Virtual Tour:
http://visitmarple.co.uk/photos/thumbnails.php?album=lastup&cat=-44
(http://visitmarple.co.uk/photos/albums/userpics/10002/aqueduct7.jpg)
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Granada Reports, report here...
http://www.itv.com/news/granada/ (http://www.itv.com/news/granada/)
scroll down the page, for 2 minutes worth of coverage.
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Granada Reports, report here...
http://www.itv.com/news/granada/ (http://www.itv.com/news/granada/)
scroll down the page, for 2 minutes worth of coverage.
As they said on TV and also on the above link: "The highest aqueduct in England, which happens to be in Cheshire, is undergoing a major facelift."
It isn't in Cheshire. I've said it before, but the Marple Website doesn't help matters: "Welcome to the FIRST and BEST community web site for Marple and District, in Cheshire UK"
Marple IS NOT in Cheshire. Stop pretending it still is.
At least the Wikipedia entry bears the truth: "Marple is a small town within the Metropolitan Borough of Stockport, in Greater Manchester, England. It lies on the River Goyt southeast of Stockport. Historically in Cheshire, Marple has a population of 23,686 (2011 Census)."
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As they said on TV and also on the above link: "The highest aqueduct in England, which happens to be in Cheshire, is undergoing a major facelift."
It isn't in Cheshire. I've said it before, but the Marple Website doesn't help matters: "Welcome to the FIRST and BEST community web site for Marple and District, in Cheshire UK"
Marple IS NOT in Cheshire. Stop pretending it still is.
At least the Wikipedia entry bears the truth: "Marple is a small town within the Metropolitan Borough of Stockport, in Greater Manchester, England. It lies on the River Goyt southeast of Stockport. Historically in Cheshire, Marple has a population of 23,686 (2011 Census)."
Feature about Marple in Cheshire Life magazine.
So must be in Cheshire. Newspapers and magazines never lie or get anything wrong.
http://www.cheshirelife.co.uk/out-about/places/what_the_locals_really_think_of_marple_and_marple_bridge_1_3902935 (http://www.cheshirelife.co.uk/out-about/places/what_the_locals_really_think_of_marple_and_marple_bridge_1_3902935)
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A few more photos from yesterday's media visit taken by David Burridge are now on line:
http://visitmarple.co.uk/photos/thumbnails.php?album=lastup&cat=-44
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Went for a run yesterday about 2.30pm and it was all open with no-one working. It doesn't look finished yet, though, so I expect you can't always get through access.
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I've been commuting over the viaduct for a few weeks now, it's always open early morning (before 8 ) and later in the afternoon (after 5). Work is being done as I have seen changes occurring over the last fews days, e.g. footpath resurfacing
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As they said on TV and also on the above link: "The highest aqueduct in England, which happens to be in Cheshire, is undergoing a major facelift."
It isn't in Cheshire. I've said it before, but the Marple Website doesn't help matters: "Welcome to the FIRST and BEST community web site for Marple and District, in Cheshire UK"
Marple IS NOT in Cheshire. Stop pretending it still is.
At least the Wikipedia entry bears the truth: "Marple is a small town within the Metropolitan Borough of Stockport, in Greater Manchester, England. It lies on the River Goyt southeast of Stockport. Historically in Cheshire, Marple has a population of 23,686 (2011 Census)."
Try telling the Post Office that. A couple of years ago I had a Christmas card addressed to xxxxx Marple, Greater Manchester, which was first postmarked in early December and which arrived at the end of January. It had been re-directed by various offices 4 times with the last note being "TRY MARPLE IN CHESHIRE" (The PO's capitals not mine).
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Try telling the Post Office that. A couple of years ago I had a Christmas card addressed to xxxxx Marple, Greater Manchester, which was first postmarked in early December and which arrived at the end of January. It had been re-directed by various offices 4 times with the last note being "TRY MARPLE IN CHESHIRE" (The PO's capitals not mine).
A Royal Mail cock-up indeed. However, we both know that a letter addressed to Marple should have a postcode prefixed with "SK6" (Marple, Stockport). My dad is 87 and he still says Marple, Cheshire. ;)
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Does anyone know if the towpath is now permanently open ?
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I walked it Sunday & no sign of any residual workings ( though the railings aren't yet up)
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My dad is 87 and he still says Marple, Cheshire. ;)
Quite right too. As far as I'm concerned (and I'm a long way off 87), the motto of Marple should be "Cheshire before; Cheshire now; Cheshire forever". Marple's history is with Cheshire and I very much hope its future is with Cheshire. Perhaps that's because I was born in Cheshire, as were my parents, grandparents, great grandparents, great great grandparents and most of my great great great grandparents (two of them were southerners). I try to avoid crossing the Mersey into foreign parts if at all possible, but it's not always possible :)
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Does anyone know if the towpath is now permanently open ?
The towpath, canal lining and parapet repointing are all finished, so everything is fully open. However, there is still shuttering in place for concrete on the other side, and the surface on that side is still broken up. It looks like they have yet to reach a decision over railings and might put another closure in place at some time in the future. Its quite a dangerous place to work.
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Thanks