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Archive => Archived Boards => Local Issues => Topic started by: Duke Fame on August 12, 2014, 11:22:37 AM
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There appears to be a speed trap set up heading towards Marple just after Pure Gym. It's just at the spot where drivers have to speed up in order to get up the hill.
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There appears to be a speed trap set up heading towards Marple just after Pure Gym. It's just at the spot where drivers have to speed up in order to get up the hill.
Or drivers could just drop a gear, keep their momentum to climb the hill and stay within the speed limit.
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Or drivers could just drop a gear, keep their momentum to climb the hill and stay within the speed limit.
And use more petrol?
It's just a warning to keep the speed down to 30, not really a comment on the money-grabbing nature of these traps.
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It's the Treasury that grabs the money, thereby helping to keep the levels of taxation down. This is surely to be welcomed by we hard-working taxpayers.
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I suspect it may be related to an accident a couple of weeks ago just beyond there in which it was pretty obvious speed had played a part
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It's the Treasury that grabs the money, thereby helping to keep the levels of taxation down. This is surely to be welcomed by we hard-working taxpayers.
I disagree, I happen to think the treasury should allow the workers to keep as much money in their pockets.
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OK well I think the exact opposite. Taxation in whatever form is how we belong to the club of society. I would like to see a society where people are proud to be contributing ever more to society via taxation.
A civilised society needs high levels of taxation.
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OK well I think the exact opposite. Taxation in whatever form is how we belong to the club of society. I would like to see a society where people are proud to be contributing ever more to society via taxation.
A civilised society needs high levels of taxation.
could you expand on this theory please... The more you tax people, the cost of goods and services goes up, therefore attracting outsiders to your society becomes more challenging. Denmark is a classic example of your theory. (£12 for a pint of beer).
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could you expand on this theory please... The more you tax people, the cost of goods and services goes up, therefore attracting outsiders to your society becomes more challenging. Denmark is a classic example of your theory. (£12 for a pint of beer).
What an exceptionally selective statistic, as if the pint of beer was a major indicator of life satisfaction. Take a look at the OECD index of Denmark (http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/denmark/ (http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/denmark/)) and then add the UK as a comparison, lower on the page. Denmark outperforms the UK in almost every important index (education, employment, work-life balance, life satisfaction, community). If you want ot illustrate the benefits of a high-tax society you couldn't have picked a better one.
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What an exceptionally selective statistic, as if the pint of beer was a major indicator of life satisfaction. Take a look at the OECD index of Denmark (http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/denmark/ (http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/denmark/)) and then add the UK as a comparison, lower on the page. Denmark outperforms the UK in almost every important index (education, employment, work-life balance, life satisfaction, community). If you want ot illustrate the benefits of a high-tax society you couldn't have picked a better one.
Yes, it was a strange example to choose, Denmark's satisfaction levels are legendary but the reasons for this satisfaction can be in spite of high taxation, not because of it.
I find the idea that no matter how hard or how well an individual works & earns, he should not be trusted to spend that money in a way that they feel suits themselves quite appalling.
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I find the idea that no matter how hard or how well an individual works & earns, he should not be trusted to spend that money in a way that they feel suits themselves quite appalling.
Agreed. That's why it's self-evidently a very good thing to keep taxation at the minimum possible level by raising as much revenue as possible from speeding drivers and other offenders.
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Agreed. That's why it's self-evidently a very good thing to keep taxation at the minimum possible level by raising as much revenue as possible from speeding drivers and other offenders.
Speeding motorists are one thing, it's their own fault but setting up a sting where it is very difficult to drive efficiently AND keep below the limit is just not on.
As for the accident a couple of weeks ago, i can't belive that was down to speeding, it happened at a time where traffic does well to move at all.
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What an exceptionally selective statistic, as if the pint of beer was a major indicator of life satisfaction. Take a look at the OECD index of Denmark (http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/denmark/ (http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/denmark/)) and then add the UK as a comparison, lower on the page. Denmark outperforms the UK in almost every important index (education, employment, work-life balance, life satisfaction, community). If you want ot illustrate the benefits of a high-tax society you couldn't have picked a better one.
Thank you how. Point well made.
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Thank you Howard*
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Thank you Howard*
Slow down you cyclists .
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As for the accident a couple of weeks ago, i can't belive that was down to speeding, it happened at a time where traffic does well to move at all.
I said speed was a factor, this is not quite the same as speeding. Judging by the damage to the front of one vehicle, even allowing for modern crumple zones, speed obviously played a part
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Thank you Howard*
I'm not agreeing with you, just pointing out that Denmark illustrates many of the signs of a prosperous high-tax economy.
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Well, if high taxation is a mark of a "great society' then the logical conclusion is that the State should take all of our income and then we'll all be incredibly happy.
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Slow down you cyclists .
Well actually I usually cycle along the A6 and then Nangreave Rd avoids the climb and the A6 feels safer than Hempshaw Lane.
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I'm not agreeing with you, just pointing out that Denmark illustrates many of the signs of a prosperous high-tax economy.
Yes and I was thanking you for making the point clearer. Where did I suggest you were agreeing? That might have made me feel I was actually wrong.
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Well, if high taxation is a mark of a "great society' then the logical conclusion is that the State should take all of our income and then we'll all be incredibly happy.
Ah sense at last BG
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Well actually I usually cycle along the A6 and then Nangreave Rd avoids the climb and the A6 feels safer than Hempshaw Lane.
Wow! I hate the A6 when on the bike, I get off it at the old train line which isn;t ideal on my road bike but better than getting mowed down.
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Ah sense at last BG
Lordy, you really think that? Why would anyone strive to achieve anything?
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It's back, kill your speed and all that
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Love it how road safety can be turned into a debate about tax. Speed kills. End of.
Incidentally, an excellent article about the value of taxation and how we should regard it as " the support we owe each other- a tick in the box for the common good" in today's Guardian. Not a publication certain contributors to this thread would be likely to purchase though.
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Speeding motorists are one thing, it's their own fault but setting up a sting where it is very difficult to drive efficiently AND keep below the limit is just not on.
As for the accident a couple of weeks ago, i can't belive that was down to speeding, it happened at a time where traffic does well to move at all.
It isn't a "sting". It's in a place where the speed limit is 30mph. The speed limit is law of the land. You exceed the speed limit and you are breaking the law. If caught you pay the price. End of story. Grow up, pay up and smile and decide to be more careful next time.
I don't understand why you have a problem.
(And yes, I have been done for speeding. I knew what the speed limit was. I wasn't concentrating. My fault and I paid up without whingeing. And I AM more careful now.)
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I don't understand why you have a problem.
Let me explain. Duke is a libertarian Tory. They believe in 'small government', and that the state should never interfere in the lives of citizens unless that is absolutely necessary and unavoidable. They tend to regard speed limits as an example of such unwanted intervention.
However, that's relatively harmless stuff. Libertarian conservatism is more widespread in the USA, I think, manifesting itself in the notorious belief in 'the right to bear arms'. And look where that has got them!
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Let me explain. Duke is a libertarian Tory. They believe in 'small government', and that the state should never interfere in the lives of citizens unless that is absolutely necessary and unavoidable. They tend to regard speed limits as an example of such unwanted intervention.
However, that's relatively harmless stuff. Libertarian conservatism is more widespread in the USA, I think, manifesting itself in the notorious belief in 'the right to bear arms'. And look where that has got them!
Huge leap there Dave. Yes you are right I am a libertarian, not necessarily a Tory, more someone who was frustrated with Labour in government and very suspicious of their re-writing of history and promises.
As for having a problem with speed limits, I certainly do not have a problem there. The point of posting on here was simply being neighborly and saying the speed trap returned last week so keep within the limits.
I don't mind checking speeds but in some cases (not all) they do so in a place where vehicles naturally need to have a bit more momentum to get up a hill and in those cases it's a sting to raise ash rather than for safety.
A good example of a sting is the approach to Parrs wood from the Heatons. There is a bus lane that is under Stockpoprt Council and it's peak hours only so cars can use the lane after 10 a.m. The lane ends before the border to Manchester and re-starts on the Manchester side but with different hours so cars cannot enter the lane at all. The bus route only has 2 buses an hour yet Manchester council have a camera fixed on the point where the times change. It's set to create confusion and getting the money flowing into the Socialist local authority from the capitalist car driver
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it's a sting to raise cash rather than for safety....... It's set to create confusion and getting the money flowing into the Socialist local authority from the capitalist car driver.
As I've pointed out before, the more money councils can raise from motoring offences the less they have to take from taxpayers. In fact, I agree with Duke that
the treasury should allow the workers to keep as much money in their pockets.
In other words, careless motorists pay so that workers can keep more of their money. Seems entirely reasonable to me! ;D
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As I've pointed out before, the more money councils can raise from motoring offences the less they have to take from taxpayers. In fact, I agree with Duke that
In other words, careless motorists pay so that workers can keep more of their money. Seems entirely reasonable to me! ;D
Dave, I agree with enforcing the law, I do not agree with entrapment.