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Title: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: rosehill7 on May 31, 2014, 08:42:49 AM
IT HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION, THROUGH A FORMER WORK-HORSE WHO HAS IT FROM A CURRENT WORK-HORSE, THAT HIGH LEVEL MANAGERS HAVE BEEN INTO THE CO-OP, DISCUSSING AN OFFER THAT "CANNOT BE REFUSED" FROM ASDA.  AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, THE OFFER HAS BEEN ACCEPTED. :'(  Apparently the Co-op have decided to sell a number of their stores.  Considering this was a flagship store, it seems a strange choice to sell to Asda, as this will infuriate many local residents.
IT'S NOT SIGNED, SEALED AND DELIVERED YET, BUT I EXPECT IT IS HOPED TO BE, BEFORE THE NEWS GETS OUT.
(Not exactly from the horse's mouth, but requires investigation! Pass it on!) :o
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on May 31, 2014, 01:02:48 PM
IT HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION, THROUGH A FORMER WORK-HORSE WHO HAS IT FROM A CURRENT WORK-HORSE, THAT HIGH LEVEL MANAGERS HAVE BEEN INTO THE CO-OP, DISCUSSING AN OFFER THAT "CANNOT BE REFUSED" FROM ASDA.  AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, THE OFFER HAS BEEN ACCEPTED. :'(  Apparently the Co-op have decided to sell a number of their stores.  Considering this was a flagship store, it seems a strange choice to sell to Asda, as this will infuriate many local residents.
IT'S NOT SIGNED, SEALED AND DELIVERED YET, BUT I EXPECT IT IS HOPED TO BE, BEFORE THE NEWS GETS OUT.
(Not exactly from the horse's mouth, but requires investigation! Pass it on!) :o

Mmmmmmm.  ???
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on May 31, 2014, 01:35:29 PM
If it were true you thought you would spread what could be delicate commercial negotiations around did you?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on May 31, 2014, 01:44:46 PM
this will infuriate many local residents.

I doubt it.  The opposition to the previous Asda scheme was not really because it was Asda, as opposed to any other supermarket chain,  it was mainly on the grounds of its proposed location on Hibbert Lane.  There would have been just as much opposition to a Tesco or Sainsbury's in that location.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: rosehill7 on May 31, 2014, 03:34:54 PM
You may want to call it "delicate commercial negotiations", Wheels,  :-\ but there are many people who wouldn't want Asda in Marple anywhere, and I consider that members should be notified of major developments within the Co-op.  Selling off flagship stores to a Walmart subsidiary (and Marple is not the only one) is a major development!   >:(
Anyway I've checked and it seems that all the staff were called into a meeting to be told about the offer, so it must be out of the period of delicate negotiations. :o
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on May 31, 2014, 04:08:44 PM
If it's true and I've heard the very same as Rosehill it will be s positive for Marple. The Co-op has got to be the worst food retailer in the country and I for one would swap it for an Asda on the same site to-morrow.

I can't see how or why it would upset anybody in Marple. in fact I would have thought that Marple would be overjoyed at the prospect. As Dave said the supermarket argument last year was about the site and not the company.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Franz on May 31, 2014, 05:51:33 PM
There is no "if" about it. It is true.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: rosehill7 on May 31, 2014, 06:08:24 PM
Yeah SimoneSaffron and all the rest of you who are up for Asda on the Co-op site - if you don't mind becoming a subsidiary of the USA, back it! :-*

And I have spoken to staff in the Co-op who are able to talk openly about it, and tell me it's not signed, sealed and delivered yet. It may not be through until October, so if there is anyone else who objects to the behaviour of the Co-op, there's time to say so.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: JMC on May 31, 2014, 06:08:54 PM
This is good news. Now all we need is an Aldi and I'm happy  ;)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on May 31, 2014, 06:36:17 PM
Yeah SimoneSaffron and all the rest of you who are up for Asda on the Co-op site - if you don't mind becoming a subsidiary of the USA, back it! :-*

So Asda happens to be owned by an American company?  So what.  I can think of various reasons why I might not choose to shop there, but being American certainly isn't one of them.  Does anyone not eat Cadbury's chocolate because it is American-owned?  Or eat Quaker Oats?  Or drive a Ford? 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on May 31, 2014, 06:37:28 PM
Yeah SimoneSaffron and all the rest of you who are up for Asda on the Co-op site - if you don't mind becoming a subsidiary of the USA, back it! :-*

And I have spoken to staff in the Co-op who are able to talk openly about it, and tell me it's not signed, sealed and delivered yet. It may not be through until October, so if there is anyone else who objects to the behaviour of the Co-op, there's time to say so.

"...subsidiary of the USA..." What are you talking about Rosehill ? It's a supermarket in Marple not FBI Headquarters. Anyway we've been the 51st state of the USA since The Marshall Plan, so what's the difference?     
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on May 31, 2014, 07:57:12 PM
This is good news. Now all we need is an Aldi and I'm happy  ;)

Not a Aldi small marks or waitrose .lets have some competition .so are MIA reforming .plenty of room for expansion at the coop .they can buy the shops coop travel not a problem charity shop that just leaves Edward Melor .theres one unit allready empty .
Looking forward to this I hope hapening .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on May 31, 2014, 08:24:09 PM
You may want to call it "delicate commercial negotiations", Wheels,  :-\ but there are many people who wouldn't want Asda in Marple anywhere, and I consider that members should be notified of major developments within the Co-op.  Selling off flagship stores to a Walmart subsidiary (and Marple is not the only one) is a major development!   >:(
Anyway I've checked and it seems that all the staff were called into a meeting to be told about the offer, so it must be out of the period of delicate negotiations. :o
What reason would people not want Asda in Marple . Or any other supermarket ......
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Water Rat on May 31, 2014, 10:33:45 PM
I agree that the main opposition to ASDA and Tesco were based on the proposed location on the college site and that appears not to be compromised by a change of ownership from the Co-op to ASDA.  The Co-op are going through a severe retrenchment at the present time including selling off many of their farms plus the well-published banking problems.

Perhaps the way forward would be to resurrect the original Compstall Co-operative Society and then we could have the shops back in Compstall, Marple, Marple Bridge, Romiley, Hawk Green etc.  We might even get a Heritage Lottery Grant  :)

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Howard on May 31, 2014, 10:38:04 PM
I predict you'll see another co-op convenience store in the empty unit next to Costa. The co-op still own that property.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on June 01, 2014, 10:09:06 AM
That wouldn't surprise me either.  And the sale of the main Co-op (if it's true) is also not at all surprising.  As someone wrote recently on the other Co-op thread:

I read somewhere that the Co-op, in attempting to turn round its ailing business, is considering disposing of some or all of its larger supermarkets and concentrating on the smaller convenience stores.

Although whether the Co-op would want to open a convenience store so close to a supermarket is an interesting question, especially as they already have a convenience store at the Texaco garage.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: rosehill7 on June 01, 2014, 10:42:15 AM
I think we have more to consider than buying American goods.  Residents should consider educating themselves about Walmart. Just read Wikipedia.

Then we should ask what price are we prepared to pay for CHEAP?

Will they want to build up or out?  Is our fire station behind it safe?

What will the centre of our town look like?  CHEAP?  Will that affect property prices?

Which small stores will it affect?

MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION...AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT FIGHT IT!  TELL THE CO-OP HOW YOU FEEL THROUGH THE MEMBERS' WEBSITE.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: rosehill7 on June 01, 2014, 10:52:39 AM
"...subsidiary of the USA..." What are you talking about Rosehill ? It's a supermarket in Marple not FBI Headquarters. Anyway we've been the 51st state of the USA since The Marshall Plan, so what's the difference?     

I THINK WE SHOULD ALL BE GETTING PARANOID ABOUT PRICE FIXING ETC BY NOW, BUT MOST OF US ARE HAPPY TO LIE BELLY UP AS LONG AS WE CAN SAVE A BOB OR TWO!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on June 01, 2014, 12:00:14 PM
No need to SHOUT, rosehill!   ;)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Harry on June 01, 2014, 12:23:16 PM
TELL THE CO-OP HOW YOU FEEL THROUGH THE MEMBERS' WEBSITE.


An excellent suggestion. Thank you Rosehill.

I've told them that I think its a marvellous idea and will be most welcome by the people of Marple.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 01, 2014, 02:06:47 PM
I think we have more to consider than buying American goods.  Residents should consider educating themselves about Walmart. Just read Wikipedia.

Then we should ask what price are we prepared to pay for CHEAP?

Will they want to build up or out?  Is our fire station behind it safe?

What will the centre of our town look like?  CHEAP?  Will that affect property prices?

Which small stores will it affect?

MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION...AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT FIGHT IT!  TELL THE CO-OP HOW YOU FEEL THROUGH THE MEMBERS' WEBSITE.

Were you a member of MIA .....
a lot of us have allready told the coop what we think .we need change for marple Asda could be that change .it will be very busy if they come .possible Chadwick street won't hapen going to need the car park space .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on June 01, 2014, 02:07:57 PM
An excellent suggestion. Thank you Rosehill.

I've told them that I think its a marvellous idea and will be most welcome by the people of Marple.



Me too I've just done it now. I've urged them to hurry the deal along. The sooner the co-op gets out of Marple and Asda arrives the better for all of us.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: JMC on June 01, 2014, 03:32:33 PM
I think any opposition will be that hinted at on a post above, that some see it as cheap. In other words,snooty people don't want Asda in Marple. Much of MIA was over the location of HL but there were also many smears about Asda and Walmart being banded about. It wouldn't surprise me if some were against it but I don't see how they could stop it?

I wouldn't worry re the fire station, stores cannot just take other people's property. They could build a second floor though maybe? Like the big Asda/Tescos.

I wouldn't put too much faith in Wikipedia, it is often very inaccurate due to its nature that anyone can edit it.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 01, 2014, 03:45:46 PM
I think any opposition will be that hinted at on a post above, that some see it as cheap. In other words,snooty people don't want Asda in Marple. Much of MIA was over the location of HL but there were also many smears about Asda and Walmart being banded about. It wouldn't surprise me if some were against it but I don't see how they could stop it?

I wouldn't worry re the fire station, stores cannot just take other people's property. They could build a second floor though maybe? Like the big Asda/Tescos.

I wouldn't put too much faith in Wikipedia, it is often very inaccurate due to its nature that anyone can edit it.
             I did say twelve months ago that Asda would try and come to marple .

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on June 01, 2014, 06:26:27 PM
They could build a second floor though maybe? Like the big Asda/Tescos.

They could, but I suspect they won't.  In the past year or two there's been a lot of press analysis tracing a decline in the construction of really huge supermarkets such as the Tesco Extra at Portwood roundabout.  See, for example,  http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/mar/17/supermarkets-realise-size-no-longer-key-to-universe

Quote from that article: 'shoppers are changing their habits fast. They are shopping in smaller outlets, more often, and moving online at a dramatic rate.'

So although Asda will probably want to rebuild and extend, the extension may not be a huge one.  Maybe increasing the present 17,000 sq.ft. of the Co-op by c.50%, to about 25,000 sq.ft, which I believe is a fairly standard size for a normal supermarket.  I suspect they could achieve that by simply extending across the area currently occupied by the row of four small shops next door and also into the vast loading yard at the back. 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: barndoor on June 01, 2014, 06:52:57 PM
This is good news. Now all we need is an Aldi and I'm happy  ;)

I don't mind Aldi, but I'd prefer a Booths. It won't happen, of course, but I can dream...
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on June 01, 2014, 07:28:47 PM

Although whether the Co-op would want to open a convenience store so close to a supermarket is an interesting question, especially as they already have a convenience store at the Texaco garage.

Also, the most convenient place to park for such as store (as side from the Bus Stop) would be....... in the car park of the new Asda (Tesco, or M&S, or Aldi or whatever).
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on June 01, 2014, 07:44:40 PM
I think we have more to consider than buying American goods. 
What American goods? They don't ship stuff from the States just because the parent company is now American, they source stuff from the same supply lines they always did - although possibly can use the buying power of a larger company to get a better deal on some items.
Residents should consider educating themselves about Walmart. Just read Wikipedia.

What about them? The fact that Asda is owned by Walmart doesn't change UK employment law (some of the more, er, interesting, practises in the States are illegal in the UK, and they are no better or worse than anyone else when it comes to things like Zero hour contracts.

None of which would affect the Residents of Marple, just it's employees.

Then we should ask what price are we prepared to pay for CHEAP?

That's a fair point, but it is also a much wider point, and not solely related to a change in ownership of the Co-Op building.

But the people who are complaining most about the prices in the Co-Op are the least well off in Marple who can barely afford to shop there, but for whom it isn't practical, or any cheaper once transportation is factored in, to shop outside of Marple - like the majority of the residents do.

Will they want to build up or out?  Is our fire station behind it safe?

Why would the Fire Station not be safe? Asda (or anyone else) taking over the Co-Op building wouldn't impact on whether Marple Fire Station is needed or not.

What will the centre of our town look like?  CHEAP?  Will that affect property prices?

Because all the Charity shops make it look so classy now? Replacing the Co-Op sign with an Asda sign won't make one jot of difference. Although property prices might well go up if being able to do a family shop for 4 or more people in the village, rather than having to drive a 10+ mile round trip to a neighbouring village is seen as desirable.

Which small stores will it affect?

Same as when we were talking about the College site, Iceland and Superdrug. Virtually non of the other shops left in Marple directly compete with a Supermarket. And those that do are still here despite the majority of residents shopping outside the village.

MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION...AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT FIGHT IT!  TELL THE CO-OP HOW YOU FEEL THROUGH THE MEMBERS' WEBSITE.

Done
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: corium on June 01, 2014, 08:25:18 PM
I think any opposition will be that hinted at on a post above, that some see it as cheap. In other words,snooty people don't want Asda in Marple. Much of MIA was over the location of HL but there were also many smears about Asda and Walmart being banded about. It wouldn't surprise me if some were against it but I don't see how they could stop it?

 

I agree. I heard some comments around only Waitrose, or at a pinch M&S, being "acceptable" in Marple however I see the ASDA delivery vans as frequently as any other. What happens with the petrol station - is that also owned by the CooP or just leased?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on June 02, 2014, 07:57:01 AM
I don't think the sale of the town centre Co-op to Asda will affect the Texaco garage Co-op. 

Good post by marpleexile - I agree with all of that, and this bit: 
Because all the Charity shops make it look so classy now?
....made me smile  :)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 02, 2014, 01:20:47 PM
I don't think the sale of the town centre Co-op to Asda will affect the Texaco garage Co-op. 

Good post by marpleexile - I agree with all of that, and this bit:  ....made me smile  :)

Remember as well Asda do a hell of a lot of local charity giving ....
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: corium on June 02, 2014, 01:43:23 PM
Reply from the Coop to my tweet to them:

The Co-operative Group can confirm that it has reached a conditional agreement to sell its food store in Marple to Asda, subject to approval from the Competition and Markets Authority.

The sale is part of our strategy to be the UK’s leading convenience food retailer. Allied to this we are continuing to invest in our estate and looking to acquire a further 100 convenience food stores by the end of 2014.

A spokesperson for The Co-operative Group said: “Our food store in Marple will be sold as a going concern, and all food staff, full-time and part-time, will transfer to the new operator with their terms and conditions of employment maintained. It will continue to trade as a Co-operative store until it transfers to Asda.

“We are pleased to have a deal which will ensure continued employment for our colleagues, as well as a continuing service for the local community.”
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on June 02, 2014, 01:50:30 PM
Great news - thanks corium - and well done to rosehill7 for 'breaking' it! 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Pink Panther on June 02, 2014, 02:15:09 PM
I think some of the staff there are in for a shock, when visiting the store the other day, the woman on the check out didnt even speak to me, acknowledge me etc etc, Asda simply will not allow that carry on .  I have worked for Asda for 3 years, and think what you will of it, they actually have very high standards , and targets that have to  be met on a daily basis .... some may not want an Asda store full stop, but a shop that will be cheaper, cleaner, fuller, and colleagues that have to give you the time of day as part of their job surely can only be a good thing ... why would anyone object to that ?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Howard on June 02, 2014, 02:29:36 PM
some may not want an Asda store full stop, but a shop that will be cheaper, cleaner, fuller, and colleagues that have to give you the time of day as part of their job surely can only be a good thing ... why would anyone object to that ?

I don't think anyone other than "rosehill7" is objecting. I was absolutely against an Asda on Hibbert Lane, but that was for reasons other than them being Asda. I'm quite happy for them to take over the Co-op store. Certainly the prices will be lower and their logistics will be far better than the Co-op's which means that their shelves won't be half empty.

Personally, I like the idea of the Co-op's ethical standpoint, which I find far more acceptable than that of the Wallmart organisation. However, the Co-op's rank incompetence in terms of managing their stocks in the Marple store and their policy of pricing what the local population will bear will not be missed. What the Co-op needed was some local competition which might have smartened up their act and increased the choice of Marple shoppers. I doubt whether anything will be build on Chadwick St for the foreseeable future so we will be exchanging one monopoly for another. However, I suspect that Asda management will make the store in Marple a far more attractive proposition than the Co-op it is replacing.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 02, 2014, 02:56:19 PM
I don't think anyone other than "rosehill7" is objecting. I was absolutely against an Asda on Hibbert Lane, but that was for reasons other than them being Asda. I'm quite happy for them to take over the Co-op store. Certainly the prices will be lower and their logistics will be far better than the Co-op's which means that their shelves won't be half empty.

Personally, I like the idea of the Co-op's ethical standpoint, which I find far more acceptable than that of the Wallmart organisation. However, the Co-op's rank incompetence in terms of managing their stocks in the Marple store and their policy of pricing what the local population will bear will not be missed. What the Co-op needed was some local competition which might have smartened up their act and increased the choice of Marple shoppers. I doubt whether anything will be build on Chadwick St for the foreseeable future so we will be exchanging one monopoly for another. However, I suspect that Asda management will make the store in Marple a far more attractive proposition than the Co-op it is replacing.
How long will this take to turn over . To Asda .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on June 02, 2014, 02:59:45 PM
You are right Panther there is no reason for objection. Apart from the snooties who will object to anything unless it is a Waitrose. They somehow have this picture of Marple being an upper class Victorian village. If it ever was it shed such an image decades ago.

This time though there is nowhere for them to object to. It is a trading relationship between the co-op and Asda and nobody else's business. SMBC won't be interested and local councillors certainly won't. Incidentally last year I was in the ASDA in Hyde. It isn't a store that I normally go in but I saw two ( yes two ) of our local Councillors shopping there.           
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Pink Panther on June 02, 2014, 07:11:32 PM
I dont know how long it will take Amazon, we have not had any information at the store I work at
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Franz on June 02, 2014, 07:38:43 PM
I should imagine that ASDA are delighted with the situation. Not only have they apparently achieved their objective of a foothold in Marple but they have presumably done so without any of those concessions that they once offered in relation to the sale of some food and non food products and a café.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Marple mujahideen make some attempt to spoil the party but I suspect that, if it does proceed, ASDA will still be in Marple long after they have gone.

ASDA in Marple and Aldi in Offerton and Romiley! Sounds good to me. I just need Aldi to increase the size of their car park in Romiley then we can all get in.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 02, 2014, 08:08:52 PM
I should imagine that ASDA are delighted with the situation. Not only have they apparently achieved their objective of a foothold in Marple but they have presumably done so without any of those concessions that they once offered in relation to the sale of some food and non food products and a café.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Marple mujahideen make some attempt to spoil the party but I suspect that, if it does proceed, ASDA will still be in Marple long after they have gone.

ASDA in Marple and Aldi in Offerton and Romiley! Sounds good to me. I just need Aldi to increase the size of their car park in Romiley then we can all get in.


The bucher the baker won't be smiling over the top of there banner now ...
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: gazwhite on June 02, 2014, 08:51:04 PM
The bucher the baker won't be smiling over the top of there banner now ...

I'm sure they will... It's all about quality and service.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Belly on June 02, 2014, 09:54:31 PM
I'll cough to being a convert to Asda (Hyde) about 9 months ago. I think Marpleites will be surprised at the quality of much of the food and certainly the staff are very friendly - which I do get the impression is a company ethos. I think it will be good for Marple as it's bound to both draw in customers to the town and / or retain them. My days of jaunting over Werneth Low are likely to soon be over.

One thing though - I do fear for Marples car parking now. Can't see the current co-op coping with the demand is Asda is half decent. So where to go? Is this the death rattle for the Chadwick St development proposals.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 02, 2014, 10:11:09 PM
I'm sure they will... It's all about quality and service.



And price .idont think it will make a lot of difference to the other shops maybe for a week or so when it changes over . I will still use the other shops .....
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Michael Taylor on June 02, 2014, 10:43:43 PM
I was opposed to Asda on Hibbert Lane, but this makes sense. Just disappointed it wasn't snapped up by Booths.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: alison on June 02, 2014, 11:00:17 PM
At the risk of being shot down by the 'I hate the coop because I equate the failings of top management with the whole of the bank, and anyway banks are evil' brigade, I do worry what that means for the staff of the in store bank who I have always heard good things about.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on June 03, 2014, 12:35:11 AM
I think we have more to consider than buying American goods.  Residents should consider educating themselves about Walmart. Just read Wikipedia.

Then we should ask what price are we prepared to pay for CHEAP?

Will they want to build up or out?  Is our fire station behind it safe?

What will the centre of our town look like?  CHEAP?  Will that affect property prices?

Which small stores will it affect?

MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION...AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT FIGHT IT!  TELL THE CO-OP HOW YOU FEEL THROUGH THE MEMBERS' WEBSITE.


I'm with Rosehill on the Walmart issue as I've said in an earlier post. British workers have more employment protection in law than Americans but Walmart are known to wriggle round the law where they can. Yes, Rosehill is correct. Research Walmart. You may be shocked!

As to the "CHEAP" issue, sadly, there are those who are happy to overlook moral issues in favour of cheap goods even where those goods are of dubious quality. If one is poor this is understandable to a degree but I don't think those of us who can afford internet access and equipment can, honestly, describe our selves as poor.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on June 03, 2014, 01:59:07 AM
I'll cough to being a convert to Asda (Hyde) about 9 months ago. I think Marpleites will be surprised at the quality of much of the food and certainly the staff are very friendly - which I do get the impression is a company ethos. I think it will be good for Marple as it's bound to both draw in customers to the town and / or retain them. My days of jaunting over Werneth Low are likely to soon be over.

One thing though - I do fear for Marple's car parking now. Can't see the current co-op coping with the demand is Asda is half decent. So where to go? Is this the death rattle for the Chadwick St development proposals.
Hyde ASDA has changed drastically since I lived in Hyde, then. It had surly, ill-trained and unhelpful staff and the quality of the goods was poor to the extent that they often broke the law eg defrosted fish and shellfish with instructions not to re-freeze on the packaging were sold under a big banner stating that the product was suitable for home freezing! There was poor management of sell-by dates on perishable foods and poor freezer organisation. It was also expensive compared with Morrisons in Hyde. And I was warned off buying electrical goods from there by an employee - unfortunately AFTER I'd bought an electrical item which died within the guarantee (hollow laugh) period and which lead to a protracted battle with the manager of the store who only gave in when I reported the matter to TMBC trading standards.

Re parking. You can bet your bottom dollar that they (or any other large s/market brand) will agitate for the removal of free parking and short duration street parking around the centre of Marple once they get settled in. They've achieved it elsewhere.

Oh well, as the old adage goes - be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Berni inn on June 03, 2014, 07:24:04 AM
Is the hazel grove conversion from coop to asda a bad one?
I think not and it would be the same size as a marple one.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: rsh on June 03, 2014, 09:57:25 AM
I'm amazed after only floating the idea of another supermarket buying the site a few weeks ago that it seems to be genuinely happening. Quite pleased too, although I have concerns similar to some raised.

Particularly the Hazel Grove store concerns me - I might indeed say it was a bad conversion, in that they seem to have basically slapped green paint over everything, stuffed it with far too many products and aisles for the floor space and not properly considered the parking and access. You only need to see the odd checkout and entrance/exit layout to see how cheap and ill-considered it was. That building really should have been levelled and rebuilt to a modern standard, but perhaps they didn't want to risk that investment given the competition in Hazel Grove.

In Marple parking would be the biggest concern if they do the same kind of job. The current car park is difficult and busy at peak times even with an "unpopular" store. If it suddenly becomes reasonable for more people to do their full weekly shop there, it absolutely simply won't cope. And this won't just make the store itself a pain to visit but could hurt Marple itself.

The best scenario would again be to demolish and rebuild with a rooftop or basement car park spanning the full length and width of the site (ditto the store above/below). A bigger, better, cheaper store here could really capture the income of a vast population which currently goes elsewhere. Given what they wanted at Hibbert Lane, they're hopefully looking to do *something* more to better utilise the site, but would they want to lose income during a long rebuild, or just get straight in there for a fast buck? Hmm...

It'd be interesting to know whether they're actually looking to buy the 3 or 4 small units too, so the whole site, or just the main store...
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on June 03, 2014, 10:20:11 AM
The current car park is difficult and busy at peak times even with an "unpopular" store. If it suddenly becomes reasonable for more people to do their full weekly shop there, it absolutely simply won't cope.

Agreed.  Although the present arrangement (two hours free parking for anyone, whether or not they are actually using the Co-op) could easily be changed to what Asda and Sainsbury's do at their Stockport town centre stores, i.e. charge £5 which is then knocked off what you spend inside the store. 

The best scenario would again be to demolish and rebuild with a rooftop or basement car park

Agreed again - but I bet they don't - too expensive! 

It'd be interesting to know whether they're actually looking to buy the 3 or 4 small units too, so the whole site, or just the main store...

It would.  I'd always assumed that the four small shops were a sub-let from the Co-op - and of course, one of them is Co-op Travel anyway.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 03, 2014, 10:34:00 AM
Agreed.  Although the present arrangement (two hours free parking for anyone, whether or not they are actually using the Co-op) could easily be changed to what Asda and Sainsbury's do at their Stockport town centre stores, i.e. charge £5 which is then knocked off what you spend inside the store. 

Agreed again - but I bet they don't - too expensive! 

It would.  I'd always assumed that the four small shops were a sub-let from the Co-op - and of course, one of them is Co-op Travel anyway.

Dave waiting for the banners now saying save our coop . .....
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on June 03, 2014, 11:33:58 AM
I'm not absolutely sure and I've not been in the town centre Asda at all,  but I think that of all the Asda stores that I have been in then parking has either been free for a limited period or redeemable in the store. In Hazel Grove you are allowed 1.5 hours which I think is fair enough.

ASDA versus the Co-op is really a non contest as far as being a foodstore is concerned. I fail to understand how it can be seen any other way.
Inflated prices, narrow sell by dates, empty shelves, surly staff (not all of them) but the culture is there - this is what the co-op represents - overall a poor quality product.

Last year I was racing the clock early one morning and I needed an item which I knew the co-op sold so I drove over there. There was a small queue of people outside the door, it wasn't even open -it was 7.11 am. They can't even open on time.

I'm no lover of ASDA or any other such organisation. They just want your money, they're not interested in you as a person, of course they are not but the co-op in Marple is not even interested in you as a customer. To me it wouldn't matter if it was Tesco, Sainsbury's, Morrisons or almost any other - they are all much better than the co-op.       

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: alan@romiley on June 03, 2014, 02:07:56 PM
I am so pleased to hear that Asda are taking over in Marple, now I will have a good reason to shop in the town

But I shall miss the Co-op ethos of service with a smile,a friendly helpful manager, bright welcoming atmosphere, happy and smiling cash out staff  eager to help and clean displays, polished shoes and clean shaven assistants and "happy to help" people.

I have lost count of the number of Cafes and take outs and is it two tattoo parlors!, am I correct in assuming that Business Council tax/rates and Landlord rents are advantageous that in other areas?, I will have to find out and perhaps think about having a franchise on a SUBWAY or wine bar- I am sure I could do well with the student trade.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 03, 2014, 02:33:10 PM
I am so pleased to hear that Asda are taking over in Marple, now I will have a good reason to shop in the town

But I shall miss the Co-op ethos of service with a smile,a friendly helpful manager, bright welcoming atmosphere, happy and smiling cash out staff  eager to help and clean displays, polished shoes and clean shaven assistants and "happy to help" people.

I have lost count of the number of Cafes and take outs and is it two tattoo parlors!, am I correct in assuming that Business Council tax/rates and Landlord rents are advantageous that in other areas?, I will have to find out and perhaps think about having a franchise on a SUBWAY or wine bar- I am sure I could do well with the student trade.

Which coop is this Alan ......
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: JMC on June 03, 2014, 03:13:23 PM
I have found it is hit and miss with Coop staff, there are a few very nice but many seem ambivalent about whether they want to be there and serving you. They could take a leaf out of Costa's book- they are always friendly in there and it makes you want to go back.I suspect this is the reason for its popularity rather than just its brand (bit of both maybe). Hopefully Asda will train the staff better.

Went to a local group this am with 60+ people. Pretty much all of them living in Marple were happy about the Coop becoming Asda except one who thought it was 'downmarket' for Marple.

I would stay in Marple for weekly shop (currently use Sainsbury's online) which would be great and I suspect many more would. If they sold George clothes it would be brilliant and save many parents the trip to Stockport every time they need kids uniform etc.Also small electrical goods would be useful.

Hazel Grove Asda is OK other than the parking but there is much less choice than the big Asdas. Good thing is that you get out quicker though. Either way it is much better than the Coop.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Barbara on June 03, 2014, 04:55:03 PM
Well it is no use speculating what the new store will be like - and it is not unexpected that the Co-op are selling, as it is well known that they intend to get rid of all their 'flagship' stores.  I do wonder what will happen re the instore bank, as they are a separate entity from the Co-op group as a whole.  Also the pharmacy, as the Co-op have announced that they will probably sell all those.  But we shall just have to wait a while and see what develops.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on June 03, 2014, 06:41:27 PM
Barbara, if we didn't speculate and we were content to wait and see then there wouldn't be any postings on this forum.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Mr Marple on June 03, 2014, 06:53:48 PM
I think we have more to consider than buying American goods.  Residents should consider educating themselves about Walmart. Just read Wikipedia.

Then we should ask what price are we prepared to pay for CHEAP?

Will they want to build up or out?  Is our fire station behind it safe?

What will the centre of our town look like?  CHEAP?  Will that affect property prices?

Which small stores will it affect?

MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION...AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT FIGHT IT!  TELL THE CO-OP HOW YOU FEEL THROUGH THE MEMBERS' WEBSITE.


Do you know something........it's good to wear your heart on your sleeve.

I also agree with the comments of "be careful about what you wish for", yep the street car parking is certainly going to be an issue with some or many people.

However, my question to my fellow Marple residents is this  =  lets take the price of milk into question, who can tell me or us how much milk is at asda in comparison to co-op? Hopefully any stated prices will be better.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: corium on June 03, 2014, 07:52:50 PM
Just wanted to pick up a few points here.

There has been some expression of concern for the in-store Coop bank staff. I suspect they would have gone even if the store remained. I seem to recall an item on the news 4/6 weeks ago which implied most if not all of the in-store banking facilities would be phased out across the whole Coop.

I'm a Coop member and it hasn't gone unnoticed that we're the ones who have lost our divi; I'm not so sure every senior staff member has lost their bonus, but I could be wrong. But given the number of financial institutions who have a stake in the various bits of it now I'm not sure the Coop going forward will retain the any of it's (perceived) remaining original ethos in the long term.

M
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Harry on June 03, 2014, 09:09:46 PM
I think you'll find that the Co-op will change quite significantly following its recent huge losses. It has to.

The strategy, as far as I have gleaned, is to sell off the larger stores (they've admitted they can't compete) and concentrate on convenience stores, sell off the pharmacies and even sell their farming interests. I don't know about the bank.

It appears that they see the future as being in competition to Spar, but without the franchise model.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Middle wood on June 03, 2014, 10:31:02 PM
The Co-op store is poorly managed which is a shame as it's products and range are good. However, the Asda conversion of the Hazel Grove Co-op is badly done. They have crammed in all their range of products - clothes, toys, etc - and this has left a limited range of food. The fresh chiller section and fruit & vegetables are very small. I certainly can't use the store for a weekly family shop.

I do hope that the Marple store is better or there is only a small improvement to our shopping choices. Better stocked, surely, but I'll be sticking to Sainsbury's in Hazel Grove and Aldi in Romiley otherwise. I'll continue to use the local butchers and green grocers regardless of the store conversion.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 04, 2014, 12:59:17 PM
The Co-op store is poorly managed which is a shame as it's products and range are good. However, the Asda conversion of the Hazel Grove Co-op is badly done. They have crammed in all their range of products - clothes, toys, etc - and this has left a limited range of food. The fresh chiller section and fruit & vegetables are very small. I certainly can't use the store for a weekly family shop.

I do hope that the Marple store is better or there is only a small improvement to our shopping choices. Better stocked, surely, but I'll be sticking to Sainsbury's in Hazel Grove and Aldi in Romiley otherwise. I'll continue to use the local butchers and green grocers regardless of the store conversion.



Asda are supposed to be taking over in September .any further info 0800 068 6727  .thats the number I was given this morning in the coop .for info .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on June 05, 2014, 04:32:16 PM
That's good for everyone then, better supermarket and not too much more traffic
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Barbara on June 05, 2014, 04:41:03 PM
This is just a query, before anyone jumps down my throat!  Does the car park actually belong to the Co-op?  I seem to remember there was some controversy about this a few years back. 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 05, 2014, 05:00:40 PM
This is just a query, before anyone jumps down my throat!  Does the car park actually belong to the Co-op?  I seem to remember there was some controversy about this a few years back. 

Don't think they do own it . But they will have gone into this before purchasing the coop .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 05, 2014, 05:02:15 PM
That's good for everyone then, better supermarket and not too much more traffic
So you don't think ita a good idea then Duke .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on June 05, 2014, 06:15:06 PM
So you don't think ita a good idea then Duke .

I think it's fine. I have little time for the Co-op and their politics so pretty happy to see another store take it.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on June 06, 2014, 12:04:38 PM
I think it's fine. I have little time for the Co-op and their politics so pretty happy to see another store take it.

I'm sure this has been posted: http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/north-west/115984-co-op-sell-five-stores-asda
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Barbara on June 06, 2014, 02:07:23 PM
I enquired about the bank staff this morning, and was told by one of them that they are being transferred to other branches, so at least they are not losing their jobs.  Pity about losing the branch though, it has been very useful.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: nipper14 on June 06, 2014, 02:31:06 PM
I've never been that impressed by the Co-op, and look forward to it being sold to Asda, although I would'nt mind any of the big supermarkets as any of them would stock a better range than the Co-op. Personally I would have welcomed a bigger Asda at Hibbert Lane, although that no doubt puts me in a minority. 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on June 06, 2014, 03:18:21 PM
Personally I would have welcomed a bigger Asda at Hibbert Lane, although that no doubt puts me in a minority. 

Nobody knows, nipper - but if it is a minority there's at least two of us in it!  The biggest plus of the Hibbert Lane site, IMO, would have been the petrol station, which would have had a beneficial effect on the extortionate fuel prices which we put up with in Marple! 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 06, 2014, 04:32:29 PM
I've never been that impressed by the Co-op, and look forward to it being sold to Asda, although I would'nt mind any of the big supermarkets as any of them would stock a better range than the Co-op. Personally I would have welcomed a bigger Asda at Hibbert Lane, although that no doubt puts me in a minority. 

No idont think so .it would have kept it out of the centre of marple . Not every body would have gone up there
So really it's a bit of a Back fire really .if it had been passed without all the protests we won't know really know
   
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Rothers on June 06, 2014, 07:59:37 PM
The sale doesnt include the petrol station, and apparently Waitrose were in the mix too to purchase it.
(according to the lady who served me today).
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 06, 2014, 08:22:44 PM
The sale doesn't include the petrol station, and apparently Waitrose were in the mix too to purchase it.
(according to the lady who served me today).

The coop at Marple doesn't have a petrol station .are Asda buying the small coop with the petrol station .at the bot am of Marple as well ... Think you may be a bit mixed up with this .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on June 06, 2014, 11:51:41 PM
The sale doesnt include the petrol station, and apparently Waitrose were in the mix too to purchase it.
(according to the lady who served me today).

Waitrose is worse thaN THE CO-OP. Over-priced and over-packaged bought by fools who can;t read labels
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on June 07, 2014, 08:16:48 AM
Waitrose is worse thaN THE CO-OP. Over-priced and over-packaged bought by fools who can;t read labels

Been in the pub again Duke?

A friend of mine is very close to the Marketing Director for Waitrose and she told me that Waitrose have no interest whatsoever in Marple.

Apparently Waitrose were approached by SMBC'S agents about Chadwick Street and politely declined to even enter into the discussion.  Marple doesn't contain the right type of ..."brand direction" for Waitrose. I'm not really sure what that means, I think it means that we've got to many Council houses - anyway it looks like Waitrose won't be coming to Marple - that won't please the Snooties,       
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Franz on June 07, 2014, 10:46:23 AM
I am not surprised, Simone. You wont usually find a Waitrose in a suburban dormitory town.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on June 07, 2014, 02:15:46 PM
There's one in Cheadle Hulme, which is about as suburban as it gets!  And there are plenty of council houses there too.  But it doesn't surprise me that Waitrose are not interested in coming here.  It may be something to do with the age profile - Marple has a greater % of older residents than most other parts of Stockport.  Perhaps Waitrose see themselves as aimed at the young and upwardly mobile?     
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: barndoor on June 07, 2014, 02:38:10 PM
I'll continue to use the local butchers and green grocers regardless of the store conversion.

I'm with you on that one, Middle wood: I shop locally wherever I can and think the Marple butchers and greengrocers are fantastic. Why? There's a widely-held perception that supermarkets offer better value, and while that's possibly true for some items, I've found by using a small independent I'm getting much better quality and often quantity than any supermarket I've been able to find.

What a shame it is that some people will only ever look at the headline price and cheerfully ignore what they're actually getting for their money.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 07, 2014, 02:54:05 PM
There's one in Cheadle Hulme, which is about as suburban as it gets!  And there are plenty of council houses there too.  But it doesn't surprise me that Waitrose are not interested in coming here.  It may be something to do with the age profile - Marple has a greater % of older residents than most other parts of Stockport.  Perhaps Waitrose see themselves as aimed at the young and upwardly mobile?    

But they do have a posher type roundabout . With sort of road layout .poyton I mean
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: barndoor on June 07, 2014, 04:28:17 PM
Waitrose is worse thaN THE CO-OP. Over-priced and over-packaged bought by fools who can;t read labels

Waitrose worse than the Co-op?

Ah yes, Waitrose: Which? magazine's second-favourite supermarket; described by the New Statesman as having a 'stellar' performance 'with significant advancements in both total and like-for-like sales'; and the food retailing division of John Lewis Partnership, one of Britain's most successful companies (no. 4 in the Sunday Times Top Track 100 league table).

You can verify all of this for yourself by searching for 'Waitrose successes'.

They're clearly much worse than the Co-op which came last in the same Which? magazine poll; whose state of its finances is so parlous it is having to sell off supermarkets, farms and pharmacies; and whose former bank boss acquired the sobriquet 'Crystal Methodist' after pleading guilty to possession of cocaine, crystal meth and ketamine. The new Chief Executive admitted the business he inherited was 'failing in its basic function for customers'.

Yes, I can see how you can claim Waitrose to be worse than the Co-op.

Try searching for 'Co-op successes': it's a bit like the old joke where Googling 'French military victories' returns the page 'Did you mean French military defeats?'

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on June 07, 2014, 08:07:36 PM
Been in the pub again Duke?

A friend of mine is very close to the Marketing Director for Waitrose and she told me that Waitrose have no interest whatsoever in Marple.

Apparently Waitrose were approached by SMBC'S agents about Chadwick Street and politely declined to even enter into the discussion.  Marple doesn't contain the right type of ..."brand direction" for Waitrose. I'm not really sure what that means, I think it means that we've got to many Council houses - anyway it looks like Waitrose won't be coming to Marple - that won't please the Snooties,       

I have the same information Simone. As I understand it there are one and a half retailers interested in the site. One is very very interested and other is still thinking.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Franz on June 08, 2014, 08:39:28 AM
No 4 in the Sunday Times Top Track 100 league table means that John Lewis have the  4th highest turnover among the UK’s private companies. So what? Walmart  have the second highest turnover among all companies, both private and public, throughout the world so, presumably, that makes Asda far, far better than Waitrose?

So who came first in the Which ”Best Supermarket ” award? Was it not, for the second year running and the third time in the past five years,  Aldi?  The same company that has just pushed John Lewis off the top of the list as Retailer of the Year in the trade magazine, “Retail Week”, awards. The same company that won The Grocer magazine’s “Grocer of the Year” award in 2013. Sainsbury’s and Morrisons and Asda all had to make acceptance speeches for lesser awards but, yet again, Waitrose failed to reach the podium.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: JMC on June 08, 2014, 01:36:13 PM
I have the same information Simone. As I understand it there are one and a half retailers interested in the site. One is very very interested and other is still thinking.

Can you tell us who these retailers are please? I am hoping one is Aldi or Lidl.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on June 08, 2014, 02:02:21 PM
Go on Wheels tell us who they are.

Aldi are alright but if we're having an ASDA my preference would be for an  M & S Food give us a bit of balance.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on June 08, 2014, 02:11:52 PM
I have the same information Simone. As I understand it there are one and a half retailers interested in the site. One is very very interested and other is still thinking.

Are interested, or were interested? I would have thought that coop selling to Asda might make them reconsider as Asda will provide real a competitor where as the coop wouldn't have.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Rothers on June 08, 2014, 02:49:47 PM
The coop at Marple doesn't have a petrol station .are Asda buying the small coop with the petrol station .at the bot am of Marple as well ... Think you may be a bit mixed up with this .

Mixed up ?? The petrol station that has the Co-op in it, simple.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on June 08, 2014, 04:13:04 PM
I think that the acquisition of the co-op by Asda will make everybody re-think the situation at least I hope that it will.

There is a traffic conundrum in Marple which nobody as far as I know has been able to solve. I think that Asda will be successful in Marple and that they will bring a competitively priced quality product to the town. This though will bring more traffic and if they ultimately extend their store then it will bring even more. Then there are the traffic implications if Chadwick Street is developed.

Where are all these cars going to go does anybody know. How are we going to ameliorate this traffic situation if we have two 25,000 sf supermarkets within three hundred metres of each other in Marple.?   
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: barndoor on June 08, 2014, 04:32:11 PM
No 4 in the Sunday Times Top Track 100 league table means that John Lewis have the  4th highest turnover among the UK’s private companies. So what? Walmart  have the second highest turnover among all companies, both private and public, throughout the world so, presumably, that makes Asda far, far better than Waitrose?

So who came first in the Which ”Best Supermarket ” award? Was it not, for the second year running and the third time in the past five years,  Aldi?  The same company that has just pushed John Lewis off the top of the list as Retailer of the Year in the trade magazine, “Retail Week”, awards. The same company that won The Grocer magazine’s “Grocer of the Year” award in 2013. Sainsbury’s and Morrisons and Asda all had to make acceptance speeches for lesser awards but, yet again, Waitrose failed to reach the podium.


Nowhere in my missive did I compare Waitrose to Aldi, or to Sainsbury's, or indeed to Morrisons (which, incidentally, has lately found itself in a bit of serious schtuck, The Grocer magazine award or not). I was merely responding to Simonsaffron's Duke Fame's fatuous claim that Waitrose is worse than the Co-op.

However you make some claims which ought to be clarified to allow the impartial reader to draw an informed conclusion.

While Aldi bagged the top place in Which? magazine's survey this year, it's worth emphasising that seven consecutive years' winner Waitrose came in second. To clarify, with the exception of 2014, it's won it every year since the award's inception. The Co-op came in last. I'm no ranking specialist, but I'm pretty certain that in a field of more than two entrants 'second' is higher up the table than 'last'.

And The Grocer magazine? Both Waitrose and the Co-op 'failed to reach the podium'; so your anti-Waitrose argument is weakened by what some may term 'exclusionary detailing'. I will be interested to read the outcome of the 2014 awards ceremony this coming Tuesday...
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on June 08, 2014, 04:34:15 PM
Are interested, or were interested? I would have thought that coop selling to Asda might make them reconsider as Asda will provide real a competitor where as the coop wouldn't have.

Agreed.  We already know that Chadwick Street was not an attractive proposition, because developer Kirkland failed to get anyone to take it.  And that was when the only competition was the Co-op!   As Simone rightly points out, now there is serious competition in the shape of Asda, that can only frighten the other supermarkets off even more.

As for this:
I have the same information Simone. As I understand it there are one and a half retailers interested in the site. One is very very interested and other is still thinking.

....that's just good old wheels giving us his famous dance of the seven veils!  He coyly shows us a bit of ankle, and then vanishes for a few days.......    :D
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Belly on June 08, 2014, 04:54:12 PM
I think that the acquisition of the co-op by Asda will make everybody re-think the situation at least I hope that it will.

There is a traffic conundrum in Marple which nobody as far as I know has been able to solve. I think that Asda will be successful in Marple and that they will bring a competitively priced quality product to the town. This though will bring more traffic and if they ultimately extend their store then it will bring even more. Then there are the traffic implications if Chadwick Street is developed.

Where are all these cars going to go does anybody know. How are we going to ameliorate this traffic situation if we have two 25,000 sf supermarkets within three hundred metres of each other in Marple.?   

Simone

This is the same old issue that was hashed and re-hashed by MIA. The problem isnt traffic, Marple will cope with this, its all about parking. The vast majority of people that will shop in the old Coop / new Asda will be existing Marple residents or people from those immediate surrounding towns already driving through Marple to get to an existing 'out of Marple' store. The same will apply to an 'extended' co-op / Asda store and equally to a 'new store' at Chadwick Street. New foodstores don't generate a great deal of 'new traffic' rather they redistribute existing foodstore related traffic and alter existing shopping patterns. Afterall, why should an additional store make an individual carry out more and more trips to foodstores. I can promise you that there have been many, many studies that have looked at this. Bottom line is, the vast majority of the traffic that will travel to these foodstores is already inherent to Marple - at the moment though this traffic eventually finds its way out of the town and parks in large car parks at Tesco, Sainsbury, Asda, et al. This will change......

As I've bleated on now for ages like a scratched record, Marple faces a real parking issue in future, both with and without Asda replacing the co-op. The town suffers from a limited parking supply that is scattered all over the place. Only two large car parks exist, one at Co-op / Asda and the other at Chadwick Street (CS). In practice the existing Co-op car park barely copes with demand and CS acts as the vital 'pressure release valve' for the rest of the town during busy periods, whilst also serving local shops and businesses. Should only the Asda make-over of the Ridgedale Centre take place, then I suspect that the town will probably cope - but get ready for the potential need to lug your supermarket shopping across the road to Chadwick Street from time to time, as I suspect that at busy times (Saturday mornings / early afternoon), finding a space in the Co-op / Asda car park will be very, very difficlut.

If both developments go forward, then I really fear for the town. The CS proposals are ill-concieved in the critical regard of parking. The CS scheme effectively removes the existing car park and replaces it with a woefully under-sized rooftop 'semi-private' car park associated with another foodstore. The level of parking proposed in the CS scheme is barely enough to cater for the foodstore demand (I personally don't even think that it washes its face on this score) let alone all the current 'pressure valve' / local parking that currently takes place on the exitsing CS car park. The parking case for the CS development was seemingly cobbled together based on some limited weekend traffic data collected in the summer time and was based on the principle that current presure valve / local parking on CS would effectively be forced off the current car park into the remainder of the surrounding small public car parks scattered about the town. This may well break down in practice as it effectively relies on a person driving into Marple knowing in which car park a spare space is availbale - hence SMBC's condition on the CS scheme to provide 'real time' parking signage on the approach to the town, to try to guide people to available spaces. I have real concerns as to the effectiveness and downright practicalities of such a system working successfully in Marple, as many of the car parks are cramped, difficult to access and unsuited to the effective installation of real time data.

Even if it could work (and during events such as the food festival, christmas cracker, carnival, etc it certainly will not), what also worries me is that the previous CS case was based on the assumption of the Ridgedale Centre remaining the Co-op, with all the inherent issues of poor service and the towns disenchantment with that particular offer. Combine the CS scheme with a rejuveated Ridgedale Centre (under Asda) and I can only see a potential disaster that the town is sleepwalking towards. And who will suffer? Not the foodstore operators, but the remaining local retailers on Market St, whose customers could be shunted out. Thanks community, well played local councillors.

One of the only good things about the former Hibbert Lane proposals was that it wouldn't mess up the town centres ability to react to parking demand - as it provided a nice big self contained site. The granting of the CS proposals has potentially put a great big ticking timebomb under the town, which the Council could trip if they get their way and flog the site. They have been warned about this, but chose to ignore it at the planning application stage (for political expediency?) and equally MIA were negligibly silent on this issue. I hope we don't reap what we have sowed.....


Apologies. Rant over. But we're all doomed!  ;D
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on June 08, 2014, 05:08:20 PM
Can you tell us who these retailers are please? I am hoping one is Aldi or Lidl.

No of course I can't you would all know where it came from and it would be a massive breach of confidence.

Sorry that's just the position I am in.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on June 08, 2014, 05:10:34 PM
Are interested, or were interested? I would have thought that coop selling to Asda might make them reconsider as Asda will provide real a competitor where as the coop wouldn't have.

As of last Friday
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on June 08, 2014, 05:38:54 PM
we're all doomed!  ;D

Belly's case is a persuasive one, and he could well prove to be right in his apocalyptic vision of the future.    :o

Two things to bear in mind, however:

1.   It is open to Asda to control parking in their car park more effectively than the Co-op have.  For example, they could adopt the scheme which Sainsbury's use in the Stockport town centre store.  It costs £5 to park for up to two hours, and you get that refunded if you spend at least a fiver in the store.

2.   The retail area of the Co-op is only 17,000 sq ft.  If Asda want to extend that space, for example by demolishing the four small shops next door, they will need planning consent.  SMBC may well take a view that the car parking is insufficient for a 25,000 sq.ft store, and either refuse it, or put conditions on it, such as requiring Asda to provide more car parking space.  This would presumably have to be either at an upper level or underground.  Either way it's expensive. 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Belly on June 08, 2014, 06:16:33 PM

2.   The retail area of the Co-op is only 17,000 sq ft.  If Asda want to extend that space, for example by demolishing the four small shops next door, they will need planning consent.  SMBC may well take a view that the car parking is insufficient for a 25,000 sq.ft store, and either refuse it, or put conditions on it, such as requiring Asda to provide more car parking space.  This would presumably have to be either at an upper level or underground.  Either way it's expensive. 

ASDA would then probably make reference to the large amounts of evidence that suggest that making a store bigger doesn't necessarily make it significantly more popular in terms of visits. Increase in RFA does undoubtedly increase each individual shoppers spend, as wider range of items often just means you buy more, when you do visit.

It certainly will be interesting to see how it all pans out!  ???
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 08, 2014, 08:19:35 PM
Mixed up ?? The petrol station that has the Co-op in it, simple.

That's not the way you worded it .still think your a bit mixed up .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 08, 2014, 08:21:38 PM
Agreed.  We already know that Chadwick Street was not an attractive proposition, because developer Kirkland failed to get anyone to take it.  And that was when the only competition was the Co-op!   As Simone rightly points out, now there is serious competition in the shape of Asda, that can only frighten the other supermarkets off even more.

As for this:
....that's just good old wheels giving us his famous dance of the seven veils!  He coyly shows us a bit of ankle, and then vanishes for a few days.......    :D

Were do you think the fire station could go .?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on June 09, 2014, 07:45:42 AM
AFAIK the fire station is going nowhere!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on June 09, 2014, 08:36:36 AM
Nowhere in my missive did I compare Waitrose to Aldi, or to Sainsbury's, or indeed to Morrisons (which, incidentally, has lately found itself in a bit of serious schtuck, The Grocer magazine award or not). I was merely responding to Simonsaffron's Duke Fame's fatuous claim that Waitrose is worse than the Co-op.

I don't believe Barndoor that I made any such comparison  between Waitrose and the Co-op, "fatuous" or otherwise. If you read the postings properly you will see that the comparison that you quote was made by the one and only  Duke Fame. You can hardly expect anybody to take your assertions and speculations seriously if you can't get a simple bald fact right.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Rothers on June 09, 2014, 08:58:26 AM
That's not the way you worded it .still think your a bit mixed up .
please explain, nobody else seems to think i am mixed up...
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on June 09, 2014, 09:16:48 AM
Belly

We know it's the same old issue and for us lesser mortals we say traffic when we mean parking and perhaps parking when we mean traffic. However, it's all cars to us whatever you want to call it and there could quite simply be too many of them.

Thanks for the dissertation and you obviously have some expertise in this field which I respect but as you said yourself all you did was play the same old scratched record even to the extent of taking the easy mark and bashing the local Councillors yet again. I really do think that we should leave them out of this debate. They won't join it anyway and whatever they do they are  always going to be wrong in the eyes of many and they will be influenced by short - term political gain, they always are - they are politicians. Nevertheless they will have experts such as you to guide them. So what would your advice be? So maybe if and when your doom laden prophecy happens we should blame the traffic experts and not the politicians. They're only giving the people what thy think they want so that they themselves can keep winning elections. I can understand that.

If we are eventually to have two supermarkets in Marple then what are our prospects? Will we be poisoned as we sleep in our beds by traffic fumes? Will there be not a parking space in the whole of Marple to be had ever again? Will we wake up each morning to find crazed shoppers parked on our house drives? Will we be stranded in Marple for evermore unable to cross its border in any direction because of logjam. 

We all know what the problems are but are there any answers? Can Marple, two successful Supermarkets, local traders, traffic and parking be reconciled or is this insoluble and is another supermarket on CS the suicide note for Marple ?     
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Belly on June 09, 2014, 09:44:40 AM
Simone

Why blame the 'traffic experts' for something that has been politcally engineered? Afterall, planning applications are decided by politicians and not by the 'experts'. I've lost count of planing committees that I have attended where councillors make appalling 'planning' decisions which are entirely politically motivated and against strong officer advice, with the resultant appeal and cost award against the Council being shrugged off (most not in Stockport I hasten to add). I suspect that pressure was brought to bear in terms of getting officers on board with the CS scheme - as the CS scheme was, to all intents and purposes, a Council motivated propersition in response to Hibbert Lane.

My 'solution' in the short term at least is therfeore simple, the Council re-thinks, or at least delays, implementation of its strategy on CS. Whilst the CS area is no oil painting, it serves an important purpose. A purpose that was effectively ignored by the current consented scheme, which was then bulldozed through planning on a political ticket of 'anything but Hibbert Lane'. Thats politics all over. Not good planning.

Fortunately, the Council members still hold the trump card. The decision as to whether to sell CS or not. Again something that will be decided by Councillors. I would suggest that they sit back and take stock of what Asda might bring to the party at the Ridgedale Centre and then plan from there.

Not the cure all solution I grant you, but I would suggest, the pragmatic way forward in this case.

 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on June 09, 2014, 10:59:50 AM
Belly writes that his solution to the potential parking/traffic problem in Marple is for the Council to 're-think, or at least delay, implementation of its strategy on CS,' meaning, I assume, that the Council should withdraw it from the market pending an assessment of the impact on traffic and parking of the new Asda. 

Sensible idea, but my guess is that it may prove unnecessary.  As I wrote yesterday:
We already know that Chadwick Street was not an attractive proposition, because developer Kirkland failed to get anyone to take it.  And that was when the only competition was the Co-op!   As Simone rightly points out, now there is serious competition in the shape of Asda, that can only frighten the other supermarkets off even more.

I doubt whether the Council will get a supermarket to take Chadwick Street now, unless they are prepared to virtually give it away!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on June 09, 2014, 12:06:53 PM
I think that both Belly and Dave's general perception of the situation is as accurate as you can be when you are speculating which of course with the possible exception of Wheels we all are. As Belly says it would be a wise move now for Councillors to wait (at least until the end of the year) and see exactly what the impact of the ASDA takeover seems to be.  It is of course true that whosoever the retailer that was considering buying CS is/was then the goalposts have been well and truly moved with the arrival of Asda and they will almost certainly be reconsidering their position as Asda will be a much fiercer competitor than the co-op.

The only thing that I would say in response to Belly is that we are obviously a traffic society. There is no getting away from it and although CS has been politically motivated, (no argument there) somebody with expertise in these matters is surely advising Councillors and if this traffic cannot be ameliorated within any scheme then  these 'experts' who are being employed for their expertise should be saying so. Perhaps they are,I don't know, but these Officers whatever they are saying must take some responsibility for whatever is the actual and eventual outcome.         
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dizzy Penguin on June 09, 2014, 02:14:03 PM
Everyone get on yer bicycles for goodness sake  ;D
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on June 09, 2014, 02:21:09 PM
Seems to me Belly and Dave are all too keen to blame others for any traffic problems, the Council, Officers, elected member, retailers when in fact they are the problem. They are the traffic they drive to the shops instead of walking or cycling to them, if you need a larger shop all the retailer will deliver. Use you keyboard to shop.

We as a society need to accept responsibility for the traffic problems we create by using cars not always looking to blame others
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on June 09, 2014, 02:49:25 PM
Waitrose worse than the Co-op?

Ah yes, Waitrose: Which? magazine's second-favourite supermarket; described by the New Statesman as having a 'stellar' performance 'with significant advancements in both total and like-for-like sales'; and the food retailing division of John Lewis Partnership, one of Britain's most successful companies (no. 4 in the Sunday Times Top Track 100 league table).

You can verify all of this for yourself by searching for 'Waitrose successes'.

They're clearly much worse than the Co-op which came last in the same Which? magazine poll; whose state of its finances is so parlous it is having to sell off supermarkets, farms and pharmacies; and whose former bank boss acquired the sobriquet 'Crystal Methodist' after pleading guilty to possession of cocaine, crystal meth and ketamine. The new Chief Executive admitted the business he inherited was 'failing in its basic function for customers'.

Yes, I can see how you can claim Waitrose to be worse than the Co-op.

Try searching for 'Co-op successes': it's a bit like the old joke where Googling 'French military victories' returns the page 'Did you mean French military defeats?'




My issue with Waitrose is the price. It's often cheaper to go to a restaurant than buy the ingredients at Waitrose. IMHO, Wiatrose seems to charge a premium for fancy packaging. The co-op is expensive too.

Personally, I'd rather shop in hte Bakers, greengrocers, butcher and fish kiosk than use supermarkets.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on June 09, 2014, 02:52:26 PM
Simone

This is the same old issue that was hashed and re-hashed by MIA. The problem isnt traffic, Marple will cope with this, its all about parking. The vast majority of people that will shop in the old Coop / new Asda will be existing Marple residents or people from those immediate surrounding towns already driving through Marple to get to an existing 'out of Marple' store. The same will apply to an 'extended' co-op / Asda store and equally to a 'new store' at Chadwick Street. New foodstores don't generate a great deal of 'new traffic' rather they redistribute existing foodstore related traffic and alter existing shopping patterns. Afterall, why should an additional store make an individual carry out more and more trips to foodstores. I can promise you that there have been many, many studies that have looked at this. Bottom line is, the vast majority of the traffic that will travel to these foodstores is already inherent to Marple - at the moment though this traffic eventually finds its way out of the town and parks in large car parks at Tesco, Sainsbury, Asda, et al. This will change......

As I've bleated on now for ages like a scratched record, Marple faces a real parking issue in future, both with and without Asda replacing the co-op. The town suffers from a limited parking supply that is scattered all over the place. Only two large car parks exist, one at Co-op / Asda and the other at Chadwick Street (CS). In practice the existing Co-op car park barely copes with demand and CS acts as the vital 'pressure release valve' for the rest of the town during busy periods, whilst also serving local shops and businesses. Should only the Asda make-over of the Ridgedale Centre take place, then I suspect that the town will probably cope - but get ready for the potential need to lug your supermarket shopping across the road to Chadwick Street from time to time, as I suspect that at busy times (Saturday mornings / early afternoon), finding a space in the Co-op / Asda car park will be very, very difficlut.

If both developments go forward, then I really fear for the town. The CS proposals are ill-concieved in the critical regard of parking. The CS scheme effectively removes the existing car park and replaces it with a woefully under-sized rooftop 'semi-private' car park associated with another foodstore. The level of parking proposed in the CS scheme is barely enough to cater for the foodstore demand (I personally don't even think that it washes its face on this score) let alone all the current 'pressure valve' / local parking that currently takes place on the exitsing CS car park. The parking case for the CS development was seemingly cobbled together based on some limited weekend traffic data collected in the summer time and was based on the principle that current presure valve / local parking on CS would effectively be forced off the current car park into the remainder of the surrounding small public car parks scattered about the town. This may well break down in practice as it effectively relies on a person driving into Marple knowing in which car park a spare space is availbale - hence SMBC's condition on the CS scheme to provide 'real time' parking signage on the approach to the town, to try to guide people to available spaces. I have real concerns as to the effectiveness and downright practicalities of such a system working successfully in Marple, as many of the car parks are cramped, difficult to access and unsuited to the effective installation of real time data.

Even if it could work (and during events such as the food festival, christmas cracker, carnival, etc it certainly will not), what also worries me is that the previous CS case was based on the assumption of the Ridgedale Centre remaining the Co-op, with all the inherent issues of poor service and the towns disenchantment with that particular offer. Combine the CS scheme with a rejuveated Ridgedale Centre (under Asda) and I can only see a potential disaster that the town is sleepwalking towards. And who will suffer? Not the foodstore operators, but the remaining local retailers on Market St, whose customers could be shunted out. Thanks community, well played local councillors.

One of the only good things about the former Hibbert Lane proposals was that it wouldn't mess up the town centres ability to react to parking demand - as it provided a nice big self contained site. The granting of the CS proposals has potentially put a great big ticking timebomb under the town, which the Council could trip if they get their way and flog the site. They have been warned about this, but chose to ignore it at the planning application stage (for political expediency?) and equally MIA were negligibly silent on this issue. I hope we don't reap what we have sowed.....


Apologies. Rant over. But we're all doomed!  ;D

Isn;t there a car-park on the other side of the fire station, that's always empty. I tend to go there if I'm in the car as it's less effort waiting for people to park etc.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Franz on June 09, 2014, 03:02:48 PM
Quote
Nowhere in my missive did I compare Waitrose to Aldi, or to Sainsbury's, or indeed to Morrisons (which, incidentally, has lately found itself in a bit of serious schtuck, The Grocer magazine award or not). I was merely responding to Simonsaffron's Duke Fame's fatuous claim that Waitrose is worse than the Co-op.

Nowhere in my post did I say that you had compared Waitrose to Aldi, or to Sainsbury’s, or indeed to Morrisons. Nor did I express an opinion on the comparative merits of Waitrose and the Co-op. I merely suggested that it was nonsensical to use the position of the John Lewis Partnership in a list of the turnover of UK private companies in a critique of someone else’s opinion as to the comparative desirability of the two supermarkets.

I don’t know in which category of the Which? awards Waitrose came out top for seven years running but it  wasn’t “Supermarket of the Year” which Aldi won  in 2009, 2012 and 2013. So Aldi have won it in three of the past five years and I wonder whether your emphasis was worthwhile.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on June 09, 2014, 05:19:40 PM
Seems to me Belly and Dave are all too keen to blame others for any traffic problems, the Council, Officers, elected member, retailers

Not true.  Belly is clearly concerned about parking. He may be right, but as I wrote above, I don't think it's inevitable that we will experience a severe shortage of parking in the future - it depends on how Asda manage their car parking, and on whether there is eventually another supermarket at Chadwick Street.   And at no point have I blamed anyone for anything! 

As for his wider point, Wheels needs to understand that most of us do not live within walking distance of a supermarket, that you can't carry the contents of a supermarket trolley on a bike, and that there are those of us who do not wish to buy food online. 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: barndoor on June 09, 2014, 05:24:11 PM
I don't believe Barndoor that I made any such comparison  between Waitrose and the Co-op, "fatuous" or otherwise. If you read the postings properly you will see that the comparison that you quote was made by the one and only  Duke Fame. You can hardly expect anybody to take your assertions and speculations seriously if you can't get a simple bald fact right.

simonesaffron, you are absolutely correct and I hope you'll accept my apologies for this oversight. I will happily put up my hands and say, "Mea culpa."

Admin, if it's possible, in post #88 can you please amend 'Simonsaffron's fatuous claim' to 'Duke Frame's fatuous claim' .

That's done - Admin

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on June 09, 2014, 07:25:28 PM
Not true Dave you can easily carry the contents of a supermarket trolley on a bike. I have often cycled back from Sainsburys with a weeks shopping for 3, if I can do that at 63 then I am sure others can. In fact Asda had agreed to provide trailer bikes for customers in their original Hibbert Lane proposals.



Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 09, 2014, 07:55:08 PM
Everyone get on yer bicycles for goodness sake  ;D

Tandems would be better save a bike .give a lift .
And will marple be able to cope with the extra people coming to marple rather than going the other way .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on June 09, 2014, 09:33:43 PM
Nowhere in my missive did I compare Waitrose to Aldi, or to Sainsbury's, or indeed to Morrisons (which, incidentally, has lately found itself in a bit of serious schtuck, The Grocer magazine award or not). I was merely responding to Simonsaffron's Duke Fame's fatuous claim that Waitrose is worse than the Co-op.

However you make some claims which ought to be clarified to allow the impartial reader to draw an informed conclusion.

Ironic use of fatuous there Barndoor. I say that Waitrose is worse than Co-op on the basis of the most common argument used in favour of a Supermarket on Hibbert La in that it was argued that the Co-op was rather expensive and as Asda was seen as a better value alternative. Waitrose is one of those rare beasts as more expensive than the co-op and tended to appeal to 'stepford wives' types.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Maria on June 10, 2014, 10:48:51 AM
Love how some refer to "snooties" who would like a Waitrose but then refer to an M&S! Made me chuckle  ;)

Does that mean those who want an ASDA, Aldi etc are scrotes? I think not.  We are each entitled to an opinion and our own preference and labelling people, for me, benefits no-one.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: rsh on June 10, 2014, 10:59:25 AM
Talking of bikes, where do those who cycle currently lock up their bike while nipping into the co-op?

As far as I know there's no dedicated space, just some low railings next to the failed click and collect or the railings around the trolleys at the entrance, not really ideal and very poor for a "convenience" supermarket. If ASDA actually installed a few proper (covered?) bike hoops that'd be a start!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: JJJA19 on June 10, 2014, 12:24:07 PM
Ironic use of fatuous there Barndoor. I say that Waitrose is worse than Co-op on the basis of the most common argument used in favour of a Supermarket on Hibbert La in that it was argued that the Co-op was rather expensive and as Asda was seen as a better value alternative. Waitrose is one of those rare beasts as more expensive than the co-op and tended to appeal to 'stepford wives' types.

I like to shop at waitrose and am a Male in my 40's ...just like good quality produce...but cheers for the sweeping statement
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 10, 2014, 12:56:50 PM
I like to shop at waitrose and am a Male in my 40's ...just like good quality produce...but cheers for the sweeping statement
You must be well off .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: nipper14 on June 10, 2014, 03:58:22 PM
I certainly couldn't carry weekly supermarket shopping home on a bike. We shop for 3 weekly and fill 4 or 5 large supermarket bags. These heavily laden bags fill the car boot and would be impossible to transport home by bike!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on June 10, 2014, 04:15:23 PM
Talking of bikes, where do those who cycle currently lock up their bike while nipping into the co-op?

As far as I know there's no dedicated space, just some low railings next to the failed click and collect or the railings around the trolleys at the entrance, not really ideal and very poor for a "convenience" supermarket. If ASDA actually installed a few proper (covered?) bike hoops that'd be a start!

I think he railings around the trolleys are for bike (I assumed they were)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 10, 2014, 09:04:59 PM
I certainly couldn't carry weekly supermarket shopping home on a bike. We shop for 3 weekly and fill 4 or 5 large supermarket bags. These heavily laden bags fill the car boot and would be impossible to transport home by bike!

Were do you shop which supermarket .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: nipper14 on June 11, 2014, 11:40:35 AM
Various supermarkets, Tesco Stockport, Whaley Bridge, Hattersley; Sainsbury's Hazel Grove; occasionally Morrisons Bredbury, Asda Stockport. I would never do a weekly shop at the Co-op in Marple as you don't get the same choice as other supermarkets. I prefer Aldi to the Co-op.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dizzy Penguin on June 11, 2014, 01:28:50 PM
Amazon doesn't really argue the green case very well.

It's not that everybody should get on their bikes...it's that those who can should.

IF you're doing a quick essentials shop, IF what you're getting can fit in a rucksack, IF you live close enough to cycle there (by your own standards - nobody elses) then it would make sense to get some fresh air and bike to the supermarket.

It's not about getting everyone on their bike regardless of circumstance.... or trying to find loopholes in that circumstance... it's just that, if everybody who COULD cycle DID cycle, or could walk did walk, then the world would be a greener place and the local traffic congestion around Marple would - probably - be less of a pain in the bottom. :)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 11, 2014, 01:50:07 PM
Various supermarkets, Tesco Stockport, Whaley Bridge, Hattersley; Sainsbury's Hazel Grove; occasionally Morrisons Bredbury, Asda Stockport. I would never do a weekly shop at the Co-op in Marple as you don't get the same choice as other supermarkets. I prefer Aldi to the Co-op.
So now you will be shopping sometimes in marple when Asda comes .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 11, 2014, 01:56:14 PM
Amazon doesn't really argue the green case very well.

It's not that everybody should get on their bikes...it's that those who can should.

IF you're doing a quick essentials shop, IF what you're getting can fit in a rucksack, IF you live close enough to cycle there (by your own standards - nobody elses) then it would make sense to get some fresh air and bike to the supermarket.

It's not about getting everyone on their bike regardless of circumstance.... or trying to find loopholes in that circumstance... it's just that, if everybody who COULD cycle DID cycle, or could walk did walk, then the world would be a greener place and the local traffic congestion around Marple would - probably - be less of a pain in the arse. :)

Can't recollect mentioning bikes I don't have a car or a bike to many hills were I live I do have a bike it's in me brothers cellar at Woodley .not used it for at least forty years .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Victor M on June 11, 2014, 04:02:39 PM
Does anyone know if the adjacent shop buildings are also included in the sale?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on June 11, 2014, 04:17:29 PM
Does anyone know if the adjacent shop buildings are also included in the sale?

Well if they are there will be leases of various lengths so they might be expenses to get out of.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 11, 2014, 04:39:13 PM
Does anyone know if the adjacent shop buildings are also included in the sale?

The Asda at the grove still has coop chemist and travel agent in there .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: falcon on June 11, 2014, 04:43:10 PM
I changed to the Co-Op bank when the Halifax closed in  Marple, does this mean I will have to change banks again or are they taking over one of the empty shops?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Victor M on June 11, 2014, 04:56:04 PM
Quote
I changed to the Co-Op bank when the Halifax closed in  Marple, does this mean I will have to change banks again or are they taking over one of the empty shops?
No they are not relocating to other premises in Marple, but you will be able to use the local Post Office for paying in cheques and cash.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 12, 2014, 01:52:24 PM
No they are not relocating to other premises in Marple, but you will be able to use the local Post Office for paying in cheques and cash.

Rumours are that Asda are still interested in the fire station ..... It's surplus to requirements oferton is now the main one ..
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on June 12, 2014, 02:24:11 PM
Rumours are that Asda are still interested in the fire station ..... It's surplus to requirements oferton is now the main one ..

Would you say that if your house in Marple was on fire ?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on June 12, 2014, 02:35:04 PM
Rumours are that Asda are still interested in the fire station ..... It's surplus to requirements oferton is now the main one ..

What rumours  other than the one you have just started. Nonesense.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 12, 2014, 02:38:14 PM
Would you say that if your house in Marple was on fire ?
No only telling u what I heard in the coop this morning .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: MarpleRes on June 14, 2014, 07:38:37 PM
ASDA is a retailer of low quality produce and traditionally does well in poor areas because it is cheaper than most other Supermarkets. The fact that it is moving here is yet another indicator that Marple is a town moving into rapid decline. For that you can thank Stockport Council and our local Liberal representatives for their experiments in social engineering. The Co-op was bad enough but I have absolutely no intention of using the ASDA store because I would not eat, or feed my family with, the low quality food it sells. I would urge any other Marple resident who feels the same to boycott this store and not patronise it even for non-food purchases.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on June 14, 2014, 08:59:06 PM
ASDA is a retailer of low quality produce and traditionally does well in poor areas because it is cheaper than most other Supermarkets. The fact that it is moving here is yet another indicator that Marple is a town moving into rapid decline. For that you can thank Stockport Council and our local Liberal representatives for their experiments in social engineering. The Co-op was bad enough but I have absolutely no intention of using the ASDA store because I would not eat, or feed my family with, the low quality food it sells. I would urge any other Marple resident who feels the same to boycott this store and not patronise it even for non-food purchases.

Always good to get a positive contribution
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 14, 2014, 09:29:57 PM
Always good to get a positive contribution

All the staff have been given increase in wages and stiil have there ten percent on what they buy ....
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on June 14, 2014, 09:52:30 PM
All the staff have been given increase in wages and stiil have there ten percent on what they buy ....

20% staff discount today
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on June 14, 2014, 09:54:41 PM
All the staff have been given increase in wages and stiil have there ten percent on what they buy ....

The staff will be TUPIED in the normal way its not some special reward they are getting.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 14, 2014, 10:37:31 PM
The staff will be TUPIED in the normal way its not some special reward they are getting.

I know makes you wonder how many will stay when they take over they wont be able tp walk around with hands in pockets .or stand talking .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on June 15, 2014, 09:05:17 AM
you can thank Stockport Council and our local Liberal representatives for their experiments in social engineering.

Eh?   ???  What's that all about?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on June 15, 2014, 09:53:40 AM
ASDA is a retailer of low quality produce and traditionally does well in poor areas because it is cheaper than most other Supermarkets. The fact that it is moving here is yet another indicator that Marple is a town moving into rapid decline. For that you can thank Stockport Council and our local Liberal representatives for their experiments in social engineering. The Co-op was bad enough but I have absolutely no intention of using the ASDA store because I would not eat, or feed my family with, the low quality food it sells. I would urge any other Marple resident who feels the same to boycott this store and not patronise it even for non-food purchases.

I think that you've got a pretty forlorn hope there MarpleRes but what a wonderful example of snootiness your post was. I ENJOYED IT TREMENDOUSLY.  ..."experiments in social engineering..." - wonderful stuff.   
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Bowden Guy on June 15, 2014, 05:48:22 PM
Personally, I think Asda is an excellent place to shop. We do our main shop at their store in Hyde. Of course, there is a lot of rubbish food but if you swerve away from that there is excellent VFM to be found.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: nipper14 on June 16, 2014, 11:37:40 AM
Personally, I think Asda is an excellent place to shop. We do our main shop at their store in Hyde. Of course, there is a lot of rubbish food but if you swerve away from that there is excellent VFM to be found.

I also think Asda is value for money. They also sell some poorer quality goods, but you don't have to buy them.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: JMC on June 16, 2014, 12:02:34 PM
I too find Asda great. I hope they do the George clothing range.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on June 16, 2014, 01:47:02 PM
I too find Asda great. I hope they do the George clothing range.

A lot of the supply chain for supermarkets is the same whatever the supermarket. In fairness to the co-op, they had diversified into farming supply and some suppliers are exclusive to the Co-op. Morrisons have similar arrangements. Asda will share suppliers with the other big boys. When I was a lad having a PT job in Tesco, we'd regularly have deliveries that had Waitrose or Sainsbuy stickered fruit & veg in with the Tesco stuff.

I can understand parents hoping for 'George' clothing for kids but for adult clothing, it's really not good quality so you end up with a false economy of buying cheap and buying twice. Far Better to try Copenhagen or Becky sues in Marple or Eternal Envy in Stockport for ladies wear.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Franz on June 16, 2014, 02:43:00 PM
ASDA is a retailer of low quality produce and traditionally does well in poor areas because it is cheaper than most other Supermarkets. The fact that it is moving here is yet another indicator that Marple is a town moving into rapid decline. For that you can thank Stockport Council and our local Liberal representatives for their experiments in social engineering. The Co-op was bad enough but I have absolutely no intention of using the ASDA store because I would not eat, or feed my family with, the low quality food it sells. I would urge any other Marple resident who feels the same to boycott this store and not patronise it even for non-food purchases.

Absolute nonsense. I suspect that Asda will still be a "Marple Resident" long after you have gone!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Howard on June 16, 2014, 04:15:37 PM
ASDA is a retailer of low quality produce and traditionally does well in poor areas because it is cheaper than most other Supermarkets. The fact that it is moving here is yet another indicator that Marple is a town moving into rapid decline. For that you can thank Stockport Council and our local Liberal representatives for their experiments in social engineering. The Co-op was bad enough but I have absolutely no intention of using the ASDA store because I would not eat, or feed my family with, the low quality food it sells. I would urge any other Marple resident who feels the same to boycott this store and not patronise it even for non-food purchases.

And this attitude, my friends, is why Marple gets its reputation of being snobbish and elitist. "Social engineering" and "rapid decline"...what are you on about? The true indicator of how desirable a place is to live is house prices which are holding up extremely well in the area. Marple is in a fantastic area for outdoor pursuits, has extremely well-attended sporting clubs (football, rugby, swimming), a vibrant Scouting and Guiding movement and many other things to recommend it. Doing the place down just because Asda is coming here to replace a moribund Co-op is pathetic.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on June 16, 2014, 04:45:20 PM
"Social engineering" and "rapid decline"...what are you on about?
Indeed.  It's nonsense. 

However, I was interested in this bit of Howard's post:
And this attitude, my friends, is why Marple gets its reputation of being snobbish and elitist.
Maybe I'm out of touch, but I have never been aware that Marple had such a reputation, and if it has, I'm not sure it's justified.  I've heard it said of places like Bramhall and Hale Barns, but Marple is a much less pretentious and more socially mixed area than those - and that's one reason why some of us like living here.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Howard on June 16, 2014, 04:56:29 PM
Those attitudes were well to the fore in the Hibbert Lane debate with accusations of eliteism and snobbishness flying around. It wasn't necessarily on this forum as those comments were very quickly removed at the height of the debate. However. if you are a Facebook user, I invite you to view the "Yes to Asda on Hibbert Lane" group which is at https://www.facebook.com/yesmarple (https://www.facebook.com/yesmarple). Those phrases, or equivalents, fly thick and fast on there and still prevail as news of the co-op sale to Asda broke.

Whether valid or not, the views of MarpleRes certainly won't help to convince anyone that these attitudes don't exist.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on June 16, 2014, 06:34:00 PM
Having taken a look at that Facebook page I see what Howard means, and clearly such attitudes do exist, although my instinct is not to take  those Facebook posters not MarpleRes very seriously.  ::)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on June 17, 2014, 09:35:36 AM
I think it's interesting that there has only been that one strange post from MarpleRes...... Perhaps she they have left town already.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 17, 2014, 02:01:51 PM
I think it's interesting that there has only been that one strange post from MarpleRes...... Perhaps she they have left town already.
Could be printing banners we want Asda at the ridge .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: LouiseHaig on June 18, 2014, 08:07:09 PM
Whilst I dont rate the Co-op very highly, I rate ASDA even less.  It is cheap and crap, I will not be going.  I am really quite annoyed that ASDA are coming to Marple!!!!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on June 18, 2014, 09:33:01 PM
Whilst I dont rate the Co-op very highly, I rate ASDA even less.  It is cheap and crap, I will not be going.  I am really quite annoyed that ASDA are coming to Marple!!!!

Your in a minority . Can't wait . And don't swear .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: LouiseHaig on June 19, 2014, 09:03:49 AM
Your in a minority . Can't wait . And don't swear .

I didnt swear....  I think you meant instead of 'your' - either You are, or You're....
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on June 19, 2014, 05:09:42 PM
Whilst I dont rate the Co-op very highly, I rate ASDA even less.  It is cheap and crap, I will not be going.  I am really quite annoyed that ASDA are coming to Marple!!!!


The biggest argument in favour of Asda in Hibbert lane was that the co-op was expensive. It pretty much ticks all the boxes to see Asda taking over from the Co-op. As for quality, supermarkets share suppliers, so when it comes to selling *rap (and that's swearing) it's across the board. When the horsemeat scandal hit, you will recall most supermarkets got caught out, IRC only Morrisons and Iceland had a clean bill of health.

Supermarkets are a compromise, you will find better frut & veg, better bread, better stationery, better fish, better meat and better booze in Marple than ANY of the supermarkets. If Asda do clothing you'll find better clothes throughout the town but alas, we're all a bit lazy at times and we will shop at Asda when it comes.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on June 20, 2014, 01:33:42 AM
All the staff have been given increase in wages and stiil have there ten percent on what they buy ....
It will be interesting to review the situation in a years time. Asda/Walmart have a reputation for taking on existing staff under their former terms and conditions and then reneging on this down the line.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Pink Panther on June 20, 2014, 10:25:26 AM
I would go and speak to the the people who work at Asda  Hazel Grove store during the day time, you will find that the majority of them 4 years later after being taken over   are ex co op staff, I do not think the staff at Marple Co op have anything to worry about when it comes to their jobs. What will change with thier jobs,  is the level of customer service they have to give, which will have to increase ten fold .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on June 20, 2014, 12:11:40 PM
It will be interesting to review the situation in a years time. Asda/Walmart have a reputation for taking on existing staff under their former terms and conditions and then reneging on this down the line.

Does that effect the price of milk?

On the face of it, I don't get the impression the staff at the coop are working at full capacity all the time.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on June 20, 2014, 04:48:46 PM
It will be interesting to review the situation in a years time. Asda/Walmart have a reputation for taking on existing staff under their former terms and conditions and then reneging on this down the line.

Asda are legally required under TUPE regulations to honour the existing contracts of employment. They can't "renege" on this.

However, they still have all the normal options open to an employer, so I would imagine that the good staff will get managed upwards, and the poor staff will get managed out.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: MarpleRes on July 24, 2014, 10:52:11 PM
And this attitude, my friends, is why Marple gets its reputation of being snobbish and elitist. "Social engineering" and "rapid decline"...what are you on about? The true indicator of how desirable a place is to live is house prices which are holding up extremely well in the area. Marple is in a fantastic area for outdoor pursuits, has extremely well-attended sporting clubs (football, rugby, swimming), a vibrant Scouting and Guiding movement and many other things to recommend it. Doing the place down just because Asda is coming here to replace a moribund Co-op is pathetic.

First of all let me say that the only pathetic thing on here is the bully boy attitude and name calling directed towards anybody who dares to post an opposing view to your own. I'm not a regular contributor and don't intend to be, I just came back out of interest to see how much vitriol I had generated and I wasn't disappointed. All I can say is that I have lived in Marple most of my life and it has gone downhill. Call it snobbish if you like, names from bigoted trolls hiding behind computer screens isn't going to hurt me, but if your house being burgled, your car being vandalised, your family being verbally abused in the street by yobs just for walking past, most of the decent shops closing and being replaced by pound shops, charity shops and Asda is your idea of a fantastic area then good for you. I'm not saying that Marple is all bad, it does have some very good things going for it as you say, but believe me, Asda will not be putting anything in the plus column. The co-op isn't great either but if you really want to live in an area that other people aspire to visit and/or live in there were much better outcomes that could have happened. If wanting to live in a nice, peaceful area with decent shops is negative and snooty then thats me. And if you want to know about social engineering look into the council's policy of moving problem families out of sink estates into 'nicer' areas such as Marple in the often misguided hope that they will lift their standards. Some may very well do, but if a mob of those that don't are moved into the house next to you I wonder if you will still feel you are living in a fantastic area. Asda targets poor areas. Fact. That it has targeted Marple demonstrates that Marple has slipped or is seen as slipping towards that category. OK thats it. Let the name calling and cheap shots begin again, though before you do, I suggest you visit the Memorial Park (if you can get through all the dog muck and discarded Greggs' bags) and spend a moment contemplating those who gave their lives to defend my right and yours to have an opinion and a voice.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on July 24, 2014, 11:27:29 PM
I don't mind you having opinions but I do mind you getting facts wrong. Local Authorities have not had any control or involvement in/over housing allocations for many years now. As you say that's a fact.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: MarpleRes on July 25, 2014, 12:02:55 AM
I don't mind you having opinions but I do mind you getting facts wrong. Local Authorities have not had any control or involvement in/over housing allocations for many years now. As you say that's a fact.

I didn't specify a time but the point is that the town has declined over the years and in my opinion having an Asda here isn't going to improve things. I do concede that I was a bit over the top in my comments about Memorial Park though. It isn't as bad as I made out so I retract that. Believe it or not I like Marple and most of the people I know who live here. The bad eggs are few but it worries me that some people seem pleased to be getting an Asda. Is it wrong or snooty to aspire to something better?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on July 25, 2014, 08:41:47 AM
It makes a change finding a troll who actually owns up to it!  ;D

I just came back out of interest to see how much vitriol I had generated
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Phil on July 25, 2014, 11:40:50 AM
It makes a change finding a troll who actually owns up to it!  ;D


I was rather more amused at the inference that Howard was a bigoted troll hiding behind his computer screen  ;D
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Howard on July 25, 2014, 01:28:09 PM
I was rather more amused at the inference that Howard was a bigoted troll hiding behind his computer screen  ;D

I also found it amusing, although to be fair he/she was implying I was a bigoted troll rather than inferring it. Especially funny as Howard  is actually my name (who would choose that as a nickname, unlike say "MarpleRes"?) and that from looking though posts on the forum it would be extremely easy to find me playing in my band, as a volunteer coach at the rugby club or giving blood (although not in that order).
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on July 25, 2014, 02:14:06 PM
I didn't specify a time but the point is that the town has declined over the years and in my opinion having an Asda here isn't going to improve things. I do concede that I was a bit over the top in my comments about Memorial Park though. It isn't as bad as I made out so I retract that. Believe it or not I like Marple and most of the people I know who live here. The bad eggs are few but it worries me that some people seem pleased to be getting an Asda. Is it wrong or snooty to aspire to something better?

Roll on Asda .yes it's me Again .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on July 26, 2014, 12:02:09 AM
I didn't specify a time but the point is that the town has declined over the years and in my opinion having an Asda here isn't going to improve things. I do concede that I was a bit over the top in my comments about Memorial Park though. It isn't as bad as I made out so I retract that. Believe it or not I like Marple and most of the people I know who live here. The bad eggs are few but it worries me that some people seem pleased to be getting an Asda. Is it wrong or snooty to aspire to something better?

The point is that you are wrong, you don't need to aspire to something better than Asda, tesco, waitrose, aldi for that matter. Marple has a shop that beats Asda in every dept so just shop in Archers, the fish man, the butchers, the ladies clothes shops, the greengrocers etc etc. 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on July 26, 2014, 07:26:51 AM
I was rather more amused at the inference that Howard was a bigoted troll hiding behind his computer screen  ;D

Howard is no troll - but he is a pedant  :D ...........
he/she was implying I was a bigoted troll rather than inferring it.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on July 26, 2014, 11:51:02 AM
The point is that you are wrong, you don't need to aspire to something better than Asda, tesco, waitrose, aldi for that matter. Marple has a shop that beats Asda in every dept so just shop in Archers, the fish man, the butchers, the ladies clothes shops, the greengrocers etc etc. 
At there prices .agree about archers .not the fish man nor the butchers Nields not bad sometimes .the
Rest maybe . If the shops are so good why do people go out of marple to shop a the big supermarkets .

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: gazwhite on July 26, 2014, 03:11:30 PM
Their.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Howard on July 27, 2014, 07:29:05 AM
Howard is no troll - but he is a pedant  :D ...........

Thanks, Dave. That's the nicest thing you've ever said about me  :)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2014, 07:39:02 AM
And gaz is a pedant too.   ;D   
Their.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on July 27, 2014, 10:24:18 AM
There is a small (thankfully) and diminishing(also thankfully) group of people in Marple who still believe that Marple is an Edwardian, Cheshire village and not a suburban town of Greater Manchester. These people will seek to dictate on the quality of ASDA versus Waitrose etc, when we all know that there is quality in both. They will criticise the conduct of their neighbour and complain to anybody that will listen both officially and unofficially as long as it is behind their neighbour's back, what they won't actually do is go and speak to their neighbour's face about it.They will hold everybody responsible for the shortcomings in their lives (of which there will be many - they are only human after all) except themselves. They will blame council policies but they won't put up for the Council. They will lecture us on our grammar and our punctuation and they will leap upon misplaced apostrophes as if they are a symbol of class and status. They will look down on anybody that doesn't go to work in a suit or drops an 'aitch.'

That's why they are snooty. 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on July 27, 2014, 10:58:02 AM
Sorry, I forgot to mention they will even tell lies about the park just to prove their point and in the process insult the members of the community who selflessly and tirelessly keep that park in superb condition. I walk through it on a regular basis, have done for years and I've never seen a Greggs bag in there. What I have seen regularly is members of the public picking up a stray piece of litter and putting it in the bin.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on July 27, 2014, 11:50:33 AM
There is a small (thankfully) and diminishing(also thankfully) group of people in Marple who still believe that Marple is an Edwardian, Cheshire village and not a suburban town of Greater Manchester. These people will seek to dictate on the quality of ASDA versus Waitrose etc, when we all know that there is quality in both. They will criticise the conduct of their neighbour and complain to anybody that will listen both officially and unofficially as long as it is behind their neighbour's back, what they won't actually do is go and speak to their neighbour's face about it.They will hold everybody responsible for the shortcomings in their lives (of which there will be many - they are only human after all) except themselves. They will blame council policies but they won't put up for the Council. They will lecture us on our grammar and our punctuation and they will leap upon misplaced apostrophes as if they are a symbol of class and status. They will look down on anybody that doesn't go to work in a suit or drops an 'aitch.'
Exellent posting .

That's why they are snooty.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on July 27, 2014, 03:12:39 PM
Their.

What .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on July 27, 2014, 11:28:12 PM
ASDA is a retailer of low quality produce and traditionally does well in poor areas because it is cheaper than most other Supermarkets. The fact that it is moving here is yet another indicator that Marple is a town moving into rapid decline. For that you can thank Stockport Council and our local Liberal representatives for their experiments in social engineering. The Co-op was bad enough but I have absolutely no intention of using the ASDA store because I would not eat, or feed my family with, the low quality food it sells. I would urge any other Marple resident who feels the same to boycott this store and not patronise it even for non-food purchases.
I've only just seen this post but I have to agree about poor quality goods and that is one of the reasons why I won't be using ASDA but my main objection to Walmart is their attitude to and treatment of their staff. Having done some research into Walmart's activities, I'll be interested to see how long the promise to honour current terms and conditions of the Co-op staff will last. I'm aware that British workers have better employment protection than their counterparts in the USA but that doesn't seem to stop Walmart's underhand activities.

Interestingly, I've been told by a couple of Co-op staff that a lot of customers have said they won't be using ASDA. I'm in Glossop pretty regularly so I'll probably shop in the Co-op there or Sainsbury's at Stepping Hill for things I can't buy in Marple but I'll still buy my greengrocery, meat and deli stuff in the village. I'll miss the lovely staff in Marple Co-op, though.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on July 27, 2014, 11:35:29 PM
I think it's interesting that there has only been that one strange post from MarpleRes...... Perhaps she they have left town already.
Not true that Marple Res is the only poster to say this. I've said the same thing several times on this thread and again today. I'd starve before I shopped in ASDA, but fortunately I don't have to - There is a Co-op in Glossop, and I buy my greengrocery, meat and deli stuff in Marple anyway.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on July 28, 2014, 12:05:54 AM
As I understand it Walmart is about to be acquired by a Chinese company. They have even different employment practices.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on July 28, 2014, 07:07:32 AM
I've been told by a couple of Co-op staff that a lot of customers have said they won't be using ASDA.

Maybe they won't, but one thing's certain: many other people will - local people who at the moment shop elsewhere for better value, choice and quality. 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on July 28, 2014, 08:05:15 AM
You are of course right Dave, many will use it. We should have no loyalty to the Co-op we  have suffered their floundering  for too long now, with their empty shelves, erratic openings and closings and pricing policy based on the highest that the population of Marple will stand.

I live alone and my food bill is not a big expense. However that was not always the case and if I had a family to bring up now then I wouldn't do a big shop in the Co-op, I would go elsewhere and that is what people are doing, I have seen them.

Asda are not fools they will have done their research.

I buy most of my fresh produce from local business for no other reason than I wish to support them. Nevertheless, over the years I have purchased from every supermarket there is and apart from supermarket bread which is all tasteless and horrible (how do they all achieve this?) I have found little if any difference in quality from one to another. To me the assertion that Asda is low quality is nonsense and based upon some snooty myth as they are no different than anybody else. Perhaps somebody out there could enlighten me and let me know what the difference in quality is in; a tin of beans, a bar of soap, a newspaper, a box of teabags, a bottle of gin, some dishwasher tablets, an apple and a mushroom whether I buy them from Asda, Waitrose, Tesco, Morrisons, M&S or ALDI or anywhere else that springs to mind even the co-op, although the last time I went to the co-op for mushrooms they didn't have any..."for some reason we've had a rush on them today."

I do have one reservation about ASDA but it is not really to do with their identity. It is my understanding that they plan to expand to 25,000 - sf. Parking in Marple is currently stretched to capacity and I can only see the traffic situation becoming even worse than it already is.                 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Barbara on July 28, 2014, 08:23:28 AM
I agree Simone, it is the traffic/parking situation which has concerned me about any big supermarket development there.  At the risk of upsetting lots of the original protesters, I still think the original plan to site a new supermarket on Hibbert Lane was the best option out of a bad lot.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on July 28, 2014, 11:04:23 AM
Not true that Marple Res is the only poster to say this. I've said the same thing several times on this thread and again today. I'd starve before I shopped in ASDA, but fortunately I don't have to - There is a Co-op in Glossop, and I buy my greengrocery, meat and deli stuff in Marple anyway.

What would you have liked to see instead of the coop .....ASDA  ...
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on July 28, 2014, 11:06:19 AM
I agree Simone, it is the traffic/parking situation which has concerned me about any big supermarket development there.  At the risk of upsetting lots of the original protesters, I still think the original plan to site a new supermarket on Hibbert Lane was the best option out of a bad lot.
Instead we will have more permanent traffic .with maybe posh houses .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Rothers on July 28, 2014, 11:16:42 AM
As I understand it Walmart is about to be acquired by a Chinese company. They have even different employment practices.

Where did you read that ?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on July 28, 2014, 02:18:38 PM
You are of course right Dave, many will use it. We should have no loyalty to the Co-op we  have suffered their floundering  for too long now, with their empty shelves, erratic openings and closings and pricing policy based on the highest that the population of Marple will stand.

I live alone and my food bill is not a big expense. However that was not always the case and if I had a family to bring up now then I wouldn't do a big shop in the Co-op, I would go elsewhere and that is what people are doing, I have seen them.

Asda are not fools they will have done their research.

I buy most of my fresh produce from local business for no other reason than I wish to support them. Nevertheless, over the years I have purchased from every supermarket there is and apart from supermarket bread which is all tasteless and horrible (how do they all achieve this?) I have found little if any difference in quality from one to another. To me the assertion that Asda is low quality is nonsense and based upon some snooty myth as they are no different than anybody else. Perhaps somebody out there could enlighten me and let me know what the difference in quality is in; a tin of beans, a bar of soap, a newspaper, a box of teabags, a bottle of gin, some dishwasher tablets, an apple and a mushroom whether I buy them from Asda, Waitrose, Tesco, Morrisons, M&S or ALDI or anywhere else that springs to mind even the co-op, although the last time I went to the co-op for mushrooms they didn't have any..."for some reason we've had a rush on them today."

I do have one reservation about ASDA but it is not really to do with their identity. It is my understanding that they plan to expand to 25,000 - sf. Parking in Marple is currently stretched to capacity and I can only see the traffic situation becoming even worse than it already is.                 

You are right, the quality issue is a myth, usually it's the same supplier. Morrisons did have a slightly quicker supply chain for fish and veg than the others but I suspect the others have caught up by now.

There must be scope to put another story on the parking at the Park end of the car park, which would add a bit of capacity. That said, if the car park ever looks busy & I am in the car, I just park in the car park near the fire station and walk.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on July 28, 2014, 02:30:24 PM
There must be scope to put another story on the parking at the Park end of the car park, which would add a bit of capacity.

Agreed, but I believe it can be quite costly, and I suspect getting planning consent could also be a problem.  But there is good scope for Asda to tighten up the car park arrangements - for example by charging a decent sum (a fiver?), which would be refunded if you spend at least that amount at the tills.  This would reduce the number of people who park there just to shop elsewhere. 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on July 28, 2014, 03:59:36 PM
Where did you read that ?

In the FT a couple of months ago. Also on BBC news
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Howard on July 28, 2014, 04:05:17 PM
In the FT a couple of months ago. Also on BBC news

Nice try, Wheels. Even the most gullible readers would never believe that the Walton family would sell up Walmart. The only place that has any kind of story like that is a satire site called "The Final Edition". You can find the story, where the Chinese will rename the store "Great Wallmart", at the link below in a piece supposedly written by a reporter called "Sharia Law":

http://www.thefinaledition.com/article/china-buys-walmart-will-rebrand-as-greatwallmart.html (http://www.thefinaledition.com/article/china-buys-walmart-will-rebrand-as-greatwallmart.html)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: sgk on July 28, 2014, 07:20:21 PM
http://www.thefinaledition.com/article/china-buys-walmart-will-rebrand-as-greatwallmart.html (http://www.thefinaledition.com/article/china-buys-walmart-will-rebrand-as-greatwallmart.html)

Who would think this was real ?

shoppers will be exposed to a whole new range of fantastic low-priced Chinese products,” including the legendary ‘Tiananmen Squares’ chocolate-flavored dog-byproduct extrusion snacks

the popular ‘Mela-Milk’ simulated dairy beverage, (‘Now with added Melamine’)

Fully 100% of our CD’s, DVD’s, and Blue-Rays will be counterfeit.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Harry on July 28, 2014, 07:28:14 PM
It is my understanding that they plan to expand to 25,000 - sf.           

What makes you think this Simone?

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on July 28, 2014, 08:43:13 PM
Its just Wheels again, having his own little private joke. He just sets hares running for the fun of it.

I have to admit it though, I found the idea amusing.   
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on July 28, 2014, 09:49:17 PM
Its just Wheels again, having his own little private joke. He just sets hares running for the fun of it.

I have to admit it though, I found the idea amusing.   

Doesn't it bring out the pomposity in some people Simone
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on July 29, 2014, 09:11:11 AM
It is my understanding that they plan to expand to 25,000 - sf.
What makes you think this Simone?

Simone can answer that question for herself, but it would not be surprising if it were true, simply because Asda (and the other three major chains) have a standard retail area for their supermarkets which is normally around that figure.  I think the current Co-op retail space is only around 17K sq.ft. 

Whether it can actually be achieved or not - both physically and in terms of getting planning consent - is another matter, of course.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on July 29, 2014, 11:09:46 AM
Agreed, but I believe it can be quite costly, and I suspect getting planning consent could also be a problem.  But there is good scope for Asda to tighten up the car park arrangements - for example by charging a decent sum (a fiver?), which would be refunded if you spend at least that amount at the tills.  This would reduce the number of people who park there just to shop elsewhere. 

If they want to commit commercial suicide, perhaps.

Far better for all car parking to be free within Marple and we have a level playing field. I'm not sure if anyone really pays to park but there is always that need to keep the shopping time to a minimum.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on July 29, 2014, 11:18:51 AM
If they want to commit commercial suicide, perhaps.

Far better for all car parking to be free within Marple and we have a level playing field. I'm not sure if anyone really pays to park but there is always that need to keep the shopping time to a minimum.

I don't know about that. When we were kids, Mum used to do her weekly shop at another supermarket, but whenever we had to go to Stockport for a shopping trip - new school uniforms, etc - she did her weekly shop at Asda that week, as they had the handiest car park for the precinct, and at the time you had to pay to park there but got a freebie if you spend £x in store.

It probably wouldn't sway those who were planning on shopping at the independents, but it probably would help drive business away from the likes of Superdrug and Iceland.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on July 29, 2014, 12:31:36 PM
If they want to commit commercial suicide, perhaps.

It has worked for years for both Asda and Sainsbury's in Stockport, and they are both alive and kicking!   

On the other hand.......
Far better for all car parking to be free within Marple and we have a level playing field.

...that would be suicide for Asda, just as it was for the Co-op recently when (for at least 12 months) there were no restrictions or charges in the Co-op car park. The result was that the Co-op lost a lot of business because people who weren't customers were leaving their cars there all day.   
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Barbara on July 29, 2014, 02:26:25 PM
If free parking for 1.1/2 hours was imposed (and monitored!) that would solve the problem of the car park being full when there were events on elsewhere and shoppers being unable to park.  If you are not going into the main supermarket and expect to be longer than that, then there are other car parks available within a short walk.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: nipper14 on July 29, 2014, 05:08:31 PM
I agree Simone, it is the traffic/parking situation which has concerned me about any big supermarket development there.  At the risk of upsetting lots of the original protesters, I still think the original plan to site a new supermarket on Hibbert Lane was the best option out of a bad lot.
I too think Hibbert Lane would have been a better option, and perhaps more people than we think were of the same opinion, but the Marple in Action group had more clout.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Harry on July 29, 2014, 08:41:59 PM
I too think Hibbert Lane would have been a better option, and perhaps more people than we think were of the same opinion, but the Marple in Action group had more clout.


Unfortunately the silent majority stayed silent. And the vocal minority, led by a small group of shopkeepers, won the day.

Too late now.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on July 29, 2014, 08:50:31 PM
I too think Hubert Lane would have been a better option, and perhaps more people than we think were of the same opinion, but the Marple in Action group had more clout.

Like a mob marching down stockport road ..
 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on July 29, 2014, 11:04:28 PM
It has worked for years for both Asda and Sainsbury's in Stockport, and they are both alive and kicking!   

On the other hand.......  
...that would be suicide for Asda, just as it was for the Co-op recently when (for at least 12 months) there were no restrictions or charges in the Co-op car park. The result was that the Co-op lost a lot of business because people who weren't customers were leaving their cars there all day.   

In stocky, other car parks charge do it's not suicide. I can't believe anyone pays on Marple to park.

I don't think there is really a parking problem in the coop is there? I see cars desperately trying to get near the entrance but I have legs and can walk 20 metres
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: MarpleRes on July 29, 2014, 11:49:14 PM
There is a small (thankfully) and diminishing(also thankfully) group of people in Marple who still believe that Marple is an Edwardian, Cheshire village and not a suburban town of Greater Manchester. These people will seek to dictate on the quality of ASDA versus Waitrose etc, when we all know that there is quality in both. They will criticise the conduct of their neighbour and complain to anybody that will listen both officially and unofficially as long as it is behind their neighbour's back, what they won't actually do is go and speak to their neighbour's face about it.They will hold everybody responsible for the shortcomings in their lives (of which there will be many - they are only human after all) except themselves. They will blame council policies but they won't put up for the Council. They will lecture us on our grammar and our punctuation and they will leap upon misplaced apostrophes as if they are a symbol of class and status. They will look down on anybody that doesn't go to work in a suit or drops an 'aitch.'

That's why they are snooty. 


A lot of (incorrect) assumptions in there but if it makes you feel better...
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: MarpleRes on July 30, 2014, 12:33:06 AM
You are of course right Dave, many will use it. We should have no loyalty to the Co-op we  have suffered their floundering  for too long now, with their empty shelves, erratic openings and closings and pricing policy based on the highest that the population of Marple will stand.

I live alone and my food bill is not a big expense. However that was not always the case and if I had a family to bring up now then I wouldn't do a big shop in the Co-op, I would go elsewhere and that is what people are doing, I have seen them.

Asda are not fools they will have done their research.

I buy most of my fresh produce from local business for no other reason than I wish to support them. Nevertheless, over the years I have purchased from every supermarket there is and apart from supermarket bread which is all tasteless and horrible (how do they all achieve this?) I have found little if any difference in quality from one to another. To me the assertion that Asda is low quality is nonsense and based upon some snooty myth as they are no different than anybody else. Perhaps somebody out there could enlighten me and let me know what the difference in quality is in; a tin of beans, a bar of soap, a newspaper, a box of teabags, a bottle of gin, some dishwasher tablets, an apple and a mushroom whether I buy them from Asda, Waitrose, Tesco, Morrisons, M&S or ALDI or anywhere else that springs to mind even the co-op, although the last time I went to the co-op for mushrooms they didn't have any..."for some reason we've had a rush on them today."

I do have one reservation about ASDA but it is not really to do with their identity. It is my understanding that they plan to expand to 25,000 - sf. Parking in Marple is currently stretched to capacity and I can only see the traffic situation becoming even worse than it already is.                 

Of course ASDA will have done their research! That is my point. And why I am concerned. As to the quality issue being a myth please do your research - just a few years ago ASDA's Chief Executive himself described the quality of food sold by all ASDA stores as "not good enough" and it has not improved since then by most accounts. In my opinion the Co-op is not much better but if you ask any impartial judge (and I don't mean surveys of shoppers in store who obviously like the shop which is why they are in there and able to take part in the survey in the first place) the Co-op IS better quality than ASDA which is why I fail to see any reason to celebrate its arrival. I would actually say that the Co-op selling out of mushrooms was an indicator of the quality of the mushrooms, ditto empty shelves, but before anybody starts in with the insults again that was a little joke to try to lighten things up... this is definitely my last post so just a few more points - to the person who said I am a troll: please look it up. I didn't start with the insults and I really would have a field day with you if I was a troll. Re; Memorial Park: yes, I exaggerated but immediately regretted it and took that comment back, but I didn't lie - I walked through this afternoon and nearly stood in 3 separate lumps of dog muck near the kids' play area. No Greggs' bags though, i'll give you that. And I'll agree its not a bad park, though nothing to shout about either. Finally, if you want the ASDA just remember it when your house prices don't go up as much as they should, because like it or not, justified or not, an ASDA in a town holds down prices whereas a Waitrose or an M&S causes them to rise. I have no idea why that is other than I guess no-one travels far to go to ASDA whereas people will travel from other towns to shop at Waitrose or M&S but maybe its because of the effect they have on other shops nearby. Personally I won't be going there and I will be using the local shops as I mostly always have done anyway. I just hope they are still there in a year or two because one thing about the Co-op, they were not too damaging to the town centre. ASDA low prices will provide a much tougher challenge for several long established Marple businesses and I fear for their survival if people fall for the old ASDA jingly pockets. By the way, don't expect to see Julie Walters in there anytime soon. This may be a shock announcement to some people but I've heard she doesn't actually shop in ASDA! Is she a snooty???
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on July 30, 2014, 07:42:01 AM
A lot of (incorrect) assumptions in there but if it makes you feel better...

As you've strode forward with purpose to claim it and it obviously fits snugly - then wear it.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on July 30, 2014, 07:46:43 AM
to the person who said I am a troll: please look it up. I didn't start with the insults and I really would have a field day with you if I was a troll.

So being an obedient sort, I duly looked it up, and the OED defines trolling as 'Making a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them'.  In other words, trolls do this:
I just came back out of interest to see how much vitriol I had generated

QED, I think  ;)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Belly on July 30, 2014, 07:57:37 AM
Of course ASDA will have done their research!

Indeed they will have done. They would have noted a captive market of 30,000 people served by just one local supermarket. The same reason why there was a bidding war on the Hibbert Lane site - even with the Co-op in situ.

ASDA quality is fine. No different from all the other brands. Just cheaper.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on July 30, 2014, 11:40:58 AM
Finally, if you want the ASDA just remember it when your house prices don't go up as much as they should, because like it or not, justified or not, an ASDA in a town holds down prices whereas a Waitrose or an M&S causes them to rise. I have no idea why that is other than I guess no-one travels far to go to ASDA whereas people will travel from other towns to shop at Waitrose or M&S but maybe its because of the effect they have on other shops nearby. Personally I won't be going there and I will be using the local shops as I mostly always have done anyway. I just hope they are still there in a year or two because one thing about the Co-op, they were not too damaging to the town centre. ASDA low prices will provide a much tougher challenge for several long established Marple businesses and I fear for their survival if people fall for the old ASDA jingly pockets. By the way, don't expect to see Julie Walters in there anytime soon. This may be a shock announcement to some people but I've heard she doesn't actually shop in ASDA! Is she a snooty???

If all people care about is the value of their house, I have to say there is not much to worry about.

I'd guess that posh areas attract the likes of Waitrose rather than the other way around. I personally think waitrose is over-priced & over packaged rubbish - if you care about your food, you will find far better fare at Archers, the fish man, the butchers, the greengrocers & poundplus than plodding around the co-op, Waitrose, Asda or any major supermarket. Supermarkets are a compromise, for me, I prefer to keep the compromise on the cheaper end and will use Aldi if I'm coming home by car.

i can't believe anyone travels far to shop at a Waitrose or M&S, surely people drop in if they are passing.

What Julie Walters has to do about the price of fish is beyond me.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Harry on July 30, 2014, 01:03:40 PM

i can't believe anyone travels far to shop at a Waitrose or M&S, surely people drop in if they are passing.


Well they do. I have frequently seen one of our councillors doing his food shopping at M&S in Handforth Dean, and I've never seen him shopping in Marple.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on July 30, 2014, 06:57:09 PM
Well they do. I have frequently seen one of our councillors doing his food shopping at M&S in Handforth Dean, and I've never seen him shopping in Marple.

I'd assume it's on his way to work / home / to see a mistress - nobody would make a special trip to shop for food at M&S - also his expenses are too high!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Harry on July 30, 2014, 08:46:51 PM
I'd assume it's on his way to work / home / to see a mistress - nobody would make a special trip to shop for food at M&S - also his expenses are too high!

He does. I do. Lots of others I know do too.

Expenses, his or mine, are irrelevant.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on July 30, 2014, 10:32:46 PM
Unfortunately the silent majority stayed silent. And the vocal minority, led by a small group of shopkeepers, won the day.

Too late now.


I was against the original plan because I have seen what has happened on other places where I've lived when a large supermarket arrived in a previously thriving small town. I was neither led by nor influenced by "a small group of shopkeepers". In fact there were a lot of small shopkeepers but they were not alone. There was a lot of opposition from private citizens. Anyway, this is in the past and not the point at issue here.

What concerns me is the impact that Asda will have on parking elsewhere in the centre of Marple. As it is, we have some of the cheapest council car parking of anywhere I know. We also have a free car park and both time-limited and unlimited kerbside parking. It's a pretty safe bet that this will not continue when Asda "get their feet under the table" and, before anyone asks, I base my comments on personal experience in other areas (and Asda are not on their own in this).



Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on July 30, 2014, 10:49:56 PM
Further I would estimate that at least 50% of the town live within easy walking distance of the shops. So don't need a car at all.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on July 30, 2014, 11:21:21 PM
Asda are legally required under TUPE regulations to honour the existing contracts of employment. They can't "renege" on this.
However, they still have all the normal options open to an employer, so I would imagine that the good staff will get managed upwards, and the poor staff will get managed out.
You need to speak to the charity "War on Want" and the GMB union about Asda's labour relations . There is documented evidence that Asda tried to remove the legal rights of their workers, among other things, to take disputes to ACAS, remove sick pay for the first 3 days of illness, and to implement working practices that even their own company risk assessors say are dangerous and illegal.

UNI Global Union's 2014 report on Walmart's Global Strategy makes very interesting reading. However, if you are getting your bread and your beer cheap I suppose it doesn't really matter to you how the retailer behaves to its dependents (ie its direct employees in this country and abroad and its developing world suppliers and their employees).
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on July 31, 2014, 08:19:30 AM
You need to speak to the charity "War on Want" and the GMB union about Asda's labour relations . There is documented evidence that Asda tried to remove the legal rights of their workers, among other things, to take disputes to ACAS, remove sick pay for the first 3 days of illness, and to implement working practices that even their own company risk assessors say are dangerous and illegal.

UNI Global Union's 2014 report on Walmart's Global Strategy makes very interesting reading. However, if you are getting your bread and your beer cheap I suppose it doesn't really matter to you how the retailer behaves to its dependents (ie its direct employees in this country and abroad and its developing world suppliers and their employees).


Init pay attention to the withering a of a union.

Asda will keep the best staff and edge out the worst, how it should be.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on July 31, 2014, 08:23:36 AM
He does. I do. Lots of others I know do too.

Expenses, his or mine, are irrelevant.


Wow, you have time on your hands. Surely if you want a better quality of food you go to the greengrocers, butcher etc or perhaps Stockport market but not travel 25 miles to a soulless shed for factory prepared fast food. You can use that travel time to cook properly.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on July 31, 2014, 11:13:06 AM
For those of us with sufficient recall it is worthy of remembrance that the anti- Hibbert Lane argument was that the proposed supermarket 'was out of town' and that this would have the effect of drawing people away from the centre and not bringing them in. It was said at the time that such a siting would have a negative implication for local traders and may even put some of them out of business and in its worst scene, finish Marple centre off altogether.

Even with this proposal there was still a traffic issue although it was more one of traffic than one of parking.

Wheels has been batting on about this years and he is right, it is a community issue and not a council one. It's the community itself that causes the traffic/parking problems by their point blank insistence on taking their car on every conceivable journey they make, and many of these journeys could be comfortably carried out by foot/bike.

I am as guilty as the next person in doing this but from today I'm going to make a conscious effort to re-think my car journeys.   
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on July 31, 2014, 11:57:31 AM
For those of us with sufficient recall it is worthy of remembrance that the anti- Hibbert Lane argument was that the proposed supermarket 'was out of town' and that this would have the effect of drawing people away from the centre and not bringing them in. It was said at the time that such a siting would have a negative implication for local traders and may even put some of them out of business and in its worst scene, finish Marple centre off altogether.

Even with this proposal there was still a traffic issue although it was more one of traffic than one of parking.

Wheels has been batting on about this years and he is right, it is a community issue and not a council one. It's the community itself that causes the traffic/parking problems by their point blank insistence on taking their car on every conceivable journey they make, and many of these journeys could be comfortably carried out by foot/bike.

I am as guilty as the next person in doing this but from today I'm going to make a conscious effort to re-think my car journeys.   

Public transports good even if you don have a pass 'I've never had a car doesn't stop me shopping or going all over the country .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on July 31, 2014, 12:44:58 PM
Public transports good even if you don have a pass 'I've never had a car doesn't stop me shopping or going all over the country .


I've heard this and I've started biking to work as much as possible and I can get in as quick as by car.

However, planning my finish time to get a bus etc would be a pain in the posterior. I travel by train to Newcastle every so often to see the football and it's handy so I can have a drink etc. However, if I need to be back,  it's still quicker for me to take the car as there is no change at Manchester, change at York etc.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on August 10, 2014, 02:47:21 PM
I was talking to an assistant in the charity shop on the Hollins. She said that the row of shops next to the actual Co-op shop are included in the Asda deal (as we probably already knew). The original charity shop has a lease which holds until it expires so the estate agent must have too but the charity shop's expansion into the empty shop next door is not subject to a lease so they can get chucked out any time.

Asda is probably looking to the future and the possibility of extending into a large store subject to PP. Who owns the shops facing Stockport road? I understand that the old Hanbury's store belongs to the Co-op -- do the rest? If they do it's easy to understand Asda's interest in the existing Co-op site.

Whether the position of the Fire Station will affect the future granting of PP will be interesting, unless Asda agree to funding the re-siting of the fire station in order to provide them with larger floor space and parking?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on August 10, 2014, 02:53:52 PM
Asda is probably looking to the future and the possibility of extending into a large store subject to PP. Who owns the shops facing Stockport road? I understand that the old Hanbury's store belongs to the Co-op -- do the rest? If they do it's easy to understand Asda's interest in the existing Co-op site.

That's a very interesting notion, Henrietta.  If by any chance the whole of the Hollins row of shops belongs to the Co-op, and has now been acquired by Asda, that could be the best possible news for Marple, in that they might just want to demolish our worst eyesore!   :D
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Barbara on August 10, 2014, 03:28:02 PM
Not exactly good news for the businesses involved though, Dave!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on August 10, 2014, 05:30:21 PM
Not exactly good news for the businesses involved though, Dave!

Or it could be used for car parking ..
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on August 10, 2014, 05:34:50 PM
No problem relocating those businesses - there are plenty of empty shops nearby.  If the planners are on the ball, they will seize any opportunity to get rid of that ugly terrace, and thereby give the Memorial Park a much more visible presence.  
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: admin on August 10, 2014, 05:42:07 PM
We've had a number of discussions over the years about Hanburys and my understanding (which of course may not be right) is that the Co-Op do not own the buildings but did / do own the current lease on the former Hanburys shop. I don't know if there is a way of easily confirming the correct situation.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on August 10, 2014, 06:50:20 PM
I was talking to an assistant in the charity shop on the Hollins. She said that the row of shops next to the actual Co-op shop are included in the Asda deal (as we probably already knew). The original charity shop has a lease which holds until it expires so the estate agent must have too but the charity shop's expansion into the empty shop next door is not subject to a lease so they can get chucked out any time.

Asda is probably looking to the future and the possibility of extending into a large store subject to PP. Who owns the shops facing Stockport road? I understand that the old Hanbury's store belongs to the Co-op -- do the rest? If they do it's easy to understand Asda's interest in the existing Co-op site.

Whether the position of the Fire Station will affect the future granting of PP will be interesting, unless Asda agree to funding the re-siting of the fire station in order to provide them with larger floor space and parking?

Google the site it would suite Asda to acquire the fire station .and reallocate the fire station elsewhere ..
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on August 10, 2014, 09:27:14 PM
Or it could be used for car parking ..

The very last thing Marple needs is more parking.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on August 12, 2014, 11:18:46 AM
No problem relocating those businesses - there are plenty of empty shops nearby.  If the planners are on the ball, they will seize any opportunity to get rid of that ugly terrace, and thereby give the Memorial Park a much more visible presence.  


Hmmm, the point is that those shops are doing OK where they are. All are about right for the parade and benefit from being adjacent to the bus lay-by  and from having a broad pavement area.

I don't think it's for anyone else to say it's ugly whilst it has full occupancy. I think the Co-op only has the Costa & empty next door unit and we're led to believe Poundland are eyeing up that empty unit.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Howard on August 12, 2014, 11:49:42 AM
Well for me it can't come soon enough. Got back from holiday Sunday night and needed a shop on Monday for fresh stuff (fruit, veg, bread etc). I was in a rush so I decided to go to the Co-op instead of run around the local shops. At least 30% of the fruit & veg was empty; for example, no brown onions and no green apples. These are STAPLES and they didn't have them. There were huge gaps in the coffee section and no large packs of medium eggs. Plain yoghurt section had no co-op own brand leaving only brand names.

I'm not sure if they're running the place down and the staff don't care whether or not their customers shop there or not but I have rarely seen any Asda like this.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on August 12, 2014, 03:22:54 PM
I don't think it's for anyone else to say it's ugly whilst it has full occupancy.

The shops are occupied, so therefore they are not ugly.  Hmm, I'll have to think about that........   ???
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on August 12, 2014, 11:37:04 PM
The shops are occupied, so therefore they are not ugly.  Hmm, I'll have to think about that........   ???

The purpose of shops is for them to operate successfully, NOT to be a simply aesthetically pleasing bit of architecture. There are also affordable flats above. Yes, it may be ugly and it it were empty I'd almost agree that a CPO would be appropriate. However, the parade works at being a parade of shops providing goods and services, employment and meeting demand - it does not need state intervention to create unemployment and shortfalls in supply.

As ever, the state is best keeping it's incompetent nose out
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Howard on August 13, 2014, 07:39:06 AM
Via the Twitter feed of @MarpleLeaf (https://twitter.com/MarpleLeaf), news that the in-store Co-op bank branch will be closing :

https://twitter.com/MarpleLeaf/status/498924345188958208 (https://twitter.com/MarpleLeaf/status/498924345188958208)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuyI_u2IgAAiHcW.jpg)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on August 13, 2014, 09:54:49 AM
The purpose of shops is for them to operate successfully, NOT to be a simply aesthetically pleasing bit of architecture.

That, in one short sentence, is the long-discredited and failed philosophy which dominated Soviet Union and East European architecture for 40 years after the war.  Here in the UK it gave us the architectural philistinism of the 1960s, of which that masterpiece Marple Station is a good example!  It's surprising and quite sad to read that in 2014.  Sooner or later, cheap ugly buildings like the Hollins have to be pulled down - let's hope it's sooner! 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on August 13, 2014, 01:10:24 PM
That, in one short sentence, is the long-discredited and failed philosophy which dominated Soviet Union and East European architecture for 40 years after the war.  Here in the UK it gave us the architectural philistinism of the 1960s, of which that masterpiece Marple Station is a good example!  It's surprising and quite sad to read that in 2014.  Sooner or later, cheap ugly buildings like the Hollins have to be pulled down - let's hope it's sooner! 

This is a problem that lies with the property owners. Until they feel the building is no longer feasible, it will remain.

I agree, it's symptomatic of centralised planning that such a building was built in the first place, I suspect this was not a private development back in the day.

I'm amazed and pleasantly surprised that you think the Soviet Union and East European model of the post war period was a failure. I thought you voted Labour!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on August 13, 2014, 01:27:22 PM
I don't think Dave's ever said how he voted.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on August 13, 2014, 01:44:50 PM
I don't think Dave's ever said how he voted.

I was making assumptions, hates business, misunderstands economics, thinks money grows on Gordon Brown trees - i assumed we have a typical Labour voter.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on August 13, 2014, 02:18:47 PM
I was making assumptions, hates business, misunderstands economics, thinks money grows on Gordon Brown trees - i assumed we have a typical Labour voter.

Those are indeed assumptions, inaccurate ones as it happens,  for which there is not a shred of evidence.

As for this:
I'm amazed and pleasantly surprised that you think the Soviet Union and East European model of the post war period was a failure. I thought you voted Labour!
My point was purely about architecture - that Stalinist and brutalist architecture, which was a feature of those countries (and many others) at that time, was ugly.  I said nothing about 'the Soviet Union and East European model of the post war period' being a failure or a success for that matter.

Is it too much to expect that for once we could stay on topic and Duke could keep his political hobby-horses to himself? 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on August 13, 2014, 02:33:40 PM
Well for me it can't come soon enough. Got back from holiday Sunday night and needed a shop on Monday for fresh stuff (fruit, veg, bread etc). I was in a rush so I decided to go to the Co-op instead of run around the local shops. At least 30% of the fruit & veg was empty; for example, no brown onions and no green apples. These are STAPLES and they didn't have them. There were huge gaps in the coffee section and no large packs of medium eggs. Plain yoghurt section had no co-op own brand leaving only brand names.

I'm not sure if they're running the place down and the staff don't care whether or not their customers shop there or not but I have rarely seen any Asda like this.

It was the same Monday morning .dont know why they bother opening Mondays ....running it down no it's always like this Mondays .even before We new Asda was coming .even Wilson's have more Veg .on Mondays
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on August 13, 2014, 10:14:23 PM
Those are indeed assumptions, inaccurate ones as it happens,  for which there is not a shred of evidence.

As for this: My point was purely about architecture - that Stalinist and brutalist architecture, which was a feature of those countries (and many others) at that time, was ugly.  I said nothing about 'the Soviet Union and East European model of the post war period' being a failure or a success for that matter.

Is it too much to expect that for once we could stay on topic and Duke could keep his political hobby-horses to himself? 

I love the 3rd person speak Davey.

The topic has somewhat removed from the sale of the Co-op Dave, I'd say you were as guilty as anyone for wavering.

In short, I think it's down to the owners of the building as to when they think a complete change is needed. I dopubt very much that Mr B Booze would agree that he's better off elsewhere, nor for that matter Mr C Coffee or Greggs.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on August 14, 2014, 07:44:53 AM
I'd say you were as guilty as anyone for wavering.
Not guilty, M'Lud.   :D  This thread has rightly included references to the possible implications for nearby shops of the sale of the Co-op to Asda.  A few days ago, Henrietta suggested that the Hollins might be affected:
Who owns the shops facing Stockport road? I understand that the old Hanbury's store belongs to the Co-op -- do the rest? If they do it's easy to understand Asda's interest in the existing Co-op site. 
I then commented on the (lack of) architectural merits of the Hollins, and took issue with Duke's assertion that buildings do not need to be 'aesthetically pleasing'.   That discussion is relevant to this thread; the party I vote for isn't, and is none of Duke's business. 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on August 14, 2014, 10:40:57 AM
Not guilty, M'Lud.   :D  This thread has rightly included references to the possible implications for nearby shops of the sale of the Co-op to Asda.  A few days ago, Henrietta suggested that the Hollins might be affected:  I then commented on the (lack of) architectural merits of the Hollins, and took issue with Duke's assertion that buildings do not need to be 'aesthetically pleasing'.   That discussion is relevant to this thread; the party I vote for isn't, and is none of Duke's business. 

The aethetically pleasing issue should have been addressed when it was built (Local authority I believe) , now it's up to the owners of the building as to when they think a complete change is needed. I doubt very much that Mr B Booze would agree that he's better off elsewhere, nor for that matter Mr C Coffee or Greggs.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on August 14, 2014, 02:47:15 PM
The aethetically pleasing issue should have been addressed when it was built (Local authority I believe) , now it's up to the owners of the building as to when they think a complete change is needed. I doubt very much that Mr B Booze would agree that he's better off elsewhere, nor for that matter Mr C Coffee or Greggs.


Thought mr B Booze was moving the boards now been taken down .how can one find out who owns
This property . Or in fact any property . Remember the coop used to be we're M and Co is now .they may still own that block of shops and offices above .....
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on August 14, 2014, 02:50:01 PM
Thought mr B Booze was moving the boards now been taken down .how can one find out who owns
This property . Or in fact any property . Remember the coop used to be we're M and Co is now .they may still own that block of shops and offices above .....

Co-op estates here:  http://www.co-operative.coop/estates/propertysearch/Marple---Unit-1-The-Hollins/

Mr B Booze is staying having renegotiated with the landlord as the landlord was a bit greedy before.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Barbara on August 14, 2014, 04:12:35 PM
So the unit next to Costa is shown as 'under offer' - wonder who will come there?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on August 17, 2014, 12:58:39 AM
The very last thing Marple needs is more parking.
No, but I bet Asda does.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on August 17, 2014, 01:07:44 AM
Co-op estates here:  http://www.co-operative.coop/estates/propertysearch/Marple---Unit-1-The-Hollins/

Mr B Booze is staying having renegotiated with the landlord as the landlord was a bit greedy before.
Crumbs! Whoever takes on the propety will have to have a hefty turn over to cover 30K pa rent
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on August 17, 2014, 01:22:15 AM
For those of us with sufficient recall it is worthy of remembrance that the anti- Hibbert Lane argument was that the proposed supermarket 'was out of town' and that this would have the effect of drawing people away from the centre and not bringing them in. It was said at the time that such a siting would have a negative implication for local traders and may even put some of them out of business and in its worst scene, finish Marple centre off altogether.

Even with this proposal there was still a traffic issue although it was more one of traffic than one of parking.

Wheels has been batting on about this years and he is right, it is a community issue and not a council one. It's the community itself that causes the traffic/parking problems by their point blank insistence on taking their car on every conceivable journey they make, and many of these journeys could be comfortably carried out by foot/bike.

I am as guilty as the next person in doing this but from today I'm going to make a conscious effort to re-think my car journeys.   
Time was when I could walk from the bottom of Buxton Lane to the centre of Marple. Can't now due to an accident. On a good day I can make it to the bus stop on Hibbert Lane but the bus only runs hourly and the to and fro timings are not very convenient for a quick nip into the village. If you are prepared to do my shopping, collect my prescriptions and attend to any other business I have in the  village I'll willingly stop using my car. It would save me a lot of money. In fact I usually attend to any business I have in the village when I'm on my way to somewhere else so in my case and very probably that of many other people who drive into Marple's shopping and business centre, your argument is specious.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on August 17, 2014, 04:57:04 PM
Time was when I could walk from the bottom of Buxton Lane to the centre of Marple. Can't now due to an accident. On a good day I can make it to the bus stop on Hibbert Lane but the bus only runs hourly and the to and fro timings are not very convenient for a quick nip into the village. If you are prepared to do my shopping, collect my prescriptions and attend to any other business I have in the  village I'll willingly stop using my car. It would save me a lot of money. In fact I usually attend to any business I have in the village when I'm on my way to somewhere else so in my case and very probably that of many other people who drive into Marple's shopping and business centre, your argument is specious.
There's a brand new Asda opening near wicks . They must have some money
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on August 18, 2014, 11:07:23 PM
Crumbs! Whoever takes on the propety will have to have a hefty turn over to cover 30K pa rent

Yep, I can't imagine anyone will pay that. With rates, a 45pc margin that's 80k before paying anything else. I can only see a fast food outlet doing that from that outlet. Nobody will pay that and survive.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on August 25, 2014, 12:44:51 AM
There's a brand new Asda opening near wicks . They must have some money
????
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: hollins on August 25, 2014, 09:22:29 AM
????

http://storelocator.asda.com/store/stockport-belmont (http://storelocator.asda.com/store/stockport-belmont)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Bowden Guy on August 25, 2014, 09:36:05 AM
I really wish Marple could acquire an Aldi. Excellent quality food at a price that is substantially less than Tesco, Sainsbury's, Morrisons et al. Since joining the "Aldi revolution" we are saving an absolute fortune.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: admin on August 25, 2014, 09:59:28 AM
I believe the new store that Amazon is referring to is the one being built where MFI used to be near Wickes and Halfords at the top of Lancashire Hill.

http://storelocator.asda.com/store/reddish

I've been told that this will replace the existing Stockport store but not certain of that.

http://storelocator.asda.com/store/stockport-belmont (http://storelocator.asda.com/store/stockport-belmont)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on August 25, 2014, 12:31:29 PM
I believe the new store that Amazon is referring to is the one being built where MFI used to be near Wickes and Halfords at the top of Lancashire Hill.

http://storelocator.asda.com/store/reddish

I've been told that this will replace the existing Stockport store but not certain of that.


Unless the existing Stockport store isn't doing particularly well, it's not much of a replacement. The car park is very handy for town centre shopping, and I would have thought that they would get a decent amount of business off the back of that alone.

Although I would guess that the Portwood Tesco has probably reduced custom from people who were only food shopping as it is (slightly) more conveniently located if you're not going else where as well, and has an easier parking layout.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on August 25, 2014, 06:16:41 PM
The Stockport Asda will presumably be on a more valuable site, as it's in the town centre, so maybe they are selling up and moving to a cheaper site to release some capital?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on August 25, 2014, 07:33:22 PM
The Stockport Asda will presumably be on a more valuable site, as it's in the town centre, so maybe they are selling up and moving to a cheaper site to release some capital?

I doubt it Dave.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on August 25, 2014, 07:35:56 PM
I really wish Marple could acquire an Aldi. Excellent quality food at a price that is substantially less than Tesco, Sainsbury's, Morrisons et al. Since joining the "Aldi revolution" we are saving an absolute fortune.


There is an Aldi in Romily and Offerton, I doubt Marple will need another. Morrisons remains the best of the supermarkets IMHO, Lidl is good. Worst are Co-op, Tesco & Waitrose
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Victor M on August 26, 2014, 08:26:41 AM
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There is an Aldi in Romily and Offerton, I doubt Marple will need another.

If you look on the Aldi site they are  actively looking for a site in Marple. Let's hope they find one.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Lily on August 26, 2014, 09:24:39 AM
Why don't all of us who would like an Aldi email them, via the contacts address on their website, and ask for an Aldi in Marple (giving your reasons why).
That way, they could gauge the level of interest and maybe look a 'little more actively'.
I'd certainly welcome one.
Aldi have just been granted permission to build one in Chapel-en-le-Frith. Let's try and beat New Mills and Whaley Bridge before they try getting one.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on August 26, 2014, 12:34:41 PM
If you look on the Aldi site they are  actively looking for a site in Marple. Let's hope they find one.

The site has mentioned Marple for a good few years. I just think it will be a little dearer for them to build in the obvious plots available.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on August 31, 2014, 08:50:25 PM
Why don't all of us who would like an Aldi email them, via the contacts address on their website, and ask for an Aldi in Marple (giving your reasons why).
That way, they could gauge the level of interest and maybe look a 'little more actively'.
I'd certainly welcome one.
Aldi have just been granted permission to build one in Chapel-en-le-Frith. Let's try and beat New Mills and Whaley Bridge before they try getting one.

Why ...
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Howard on September 01, 2014, 09:10:34 AM
Why ...

If you read the message Lily posted it's because she would like an Aldi. She's perfectly free to do so. If you don't want one then don't participate.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: corium on September 01, 2014, 09:43:02 AM
Does anyone know what the changeover timetable is for the Marple Coop? Presumably it will be closing for a short period?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: admin on September 01, 2014, 10:26:17 AM
Does anyone know what the changeover timetable is for the Marple Coop? Presumably it will be closing for a short period?

Have heard that change-over is 9 September but only via word-of-mouth. No idea if there is a period of closure.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on September 01, 2014, 01:49:45 PM
If you read the message Lily posted it's because she would like an Aldi. She's perfectly free to do so. If you don't want one then don't participate.
Thank you for your kind words .Howard .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on September 01, 2014, 01:51:57 PM
Have heard that change-over is 9 September but only via word-of-mouth. No idea if there is a period of closure.
the bank is closing as well on the 9 September .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Barbara on September 01, 2014, 02:14:18 PM
One of the staff told me the other day that they think it will be towards the end of September and the store may be closed for about a month.  It is only the bank that is finishing on the 9th.  Mind you, even the staff are not sure of the timing yet.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Howard on September 01, 2014, 03:24:13 PM
Thank you for your kind words .Howard .

No problem. Happy to explain any of the posts you don't understand  ;)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on September 01, 2014, 05:35:22 PM
One of the staff told me the other day that they think it will be towards the end of September and the store may be closed for about a month.  It is only the bank that is finishing on the 9th.  Mind you, even the staff are not sure of the timing yet.

Just a guess but I'd have thought they will swap it over within a week. The Netto shops were smaller but the swap happened within a week.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on September 02, 2014, 07:08:02 AM
Agreed.  I'll be amazed if the shop closes for a month.  A day or two would be enough time for the signs to be changed and the stock to be valued.  (Bring it on  ;D)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on September 02, 2014, 10:38:26 AM
I would have thought it might take a little longer but not a month. No retailer would want to give up a months sales at such a key time of the year. But I would have thought they would want to redesign the store and perhaps remove the cafe to create more sales space. But I agree they will do it quickly. After all the social engineering the Council has been engaged in has to have been for some purpose.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Victor M on September 02, 2014, 10:41:44 AM
Does anyone know how long the old Coop site in Hazel Grove was closed whilst it became an ASDA. That might give us some idea how long it will take.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on September 02, 2014, 11:13:23 AM
Agreed.  I'll be amazed if the shop closes for a month.  A day or two would be enough time for the signs to be changed and the stock to be valued.  (Bring it on  ;D)

I don't think they will value the stock, I'd expect the whole lot will be moved out in one go including the fittings etc. They may leave the lighting and PA but expect to see a team of over 50 come in and move it all. Similarly, Asda's team will come in, and refit in no time at all. Then it's just a case of getting the stock in. 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on September 02, 2014, 11:15:25 AM
Does anyone know how long the old Coop site in Hazel Grove was closed whilst it became an ASDA. That might give us some idea how long it will take.

Asda had to re-model the car park etc and i suspect it's not quite as significant in that Marple can be far more profitable.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Victor M on September 02, 2014, 11:19:33 AM
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Asda had to re-model the car park etc and i suspect it's not quite as significant in that Marple can be far more profitable.

I thought they opened the store way before all the car park had finished.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on September 02, 2014, 12:48:09 PM
I thought they opened the store way before all the car park had finished.

Your correct Victor they opened before the CP was remodelled and that itself was held up by various utility problems
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on September 02, 2014, 01:15:50 PM
Does anyone know how long the old Coop site in Hazel Grove was closed whilst it became an ASDA. That might give us some idea how long it will take.
I think it was two weeks but the road layout and car park took quite a good while .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Melancholyflower on September 02, 2014, 08:57:13 PM
Oh yes, and boy did regular users of the A6 notice.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on September 03, 2014, 06:40:30 PM
Agreed.  I'll be amazed if the shop closes for a month.  A day or two would be enough time for the signs to be changed and the stock to be valued.  (Bring it on  ;D)
I would imagine it depends on how much structural work they intend doing.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: JMC on September 04, 2014, 01:18:52 PM
I heard it would be shut for 6 weeks!! :o
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on September 04, 2014, 05:53:17 PM
They'd be crazy to do that - they would have no customers left by the time they re-opened!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on September 04, 2014, 06:42:01 PM
They'd be crazy to do that - they would have no customers left by the time they re-opened!

Poss night job that's what the coop did when they sort of modernised few years ago .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on September 04, 2014, 07:36:22 PM
Poss night job that's what the coop did when they sort of modernised few years ago .

I'd be surprised if they close at all, but certainly if it was for any longer than a long weekend.

I think a week or even month of overnights with "closed" floor space during opening hours would be more likely.

They certainly don't want the few residents who currently shop in Marple getting into the habit of going else where.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on September 04, 2014, 09:05:36 PM
I'd be surprised if they close at all, but certainly if it was for any longer than a long weekend.

I think a week or even month of overnights with "closed" floor space during opening hours would be more likely.

They certainly don't want the few residents who currently shop in Marple getting into the habit of going else where.
Like the few ,,Marple is going to be busy when they open .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: JMC on September 11, 2014, 02:03:15 PM
I know it has been mentioned before on here but I hope the staff are given some training in customer service when it becomes as ASDA. Went in earlier with an elderly lady and the female staff member at the cafe was very impatient and unfriendly even though they were very quiet and nobody was behind us in the queue. Additionally, the lady who served me at checkout didn't even acknowledge me never mind smile or even pretend they wanted to be there. Awful staff!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on September 11, 2014, 02:51:43 PM
I know it has been mentioned before on here but I hope the staff are given some training in customer service when it becomes as ASDA. Went in earlier with an elderly lady and the female staff member at the cafe was very impatient and unfriendly even though they were very quiet and nobody was behind us in the queue. Additionally, the lady who served me at checkout didn't even acknowledge me never mind smile or even pretend they wanted to be there. Awful staff!
Cafe is going .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: alex on September 11, 2014, 07:35:46 PM
The coop store in Marple will be closing in February for its refit
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on September 12, 2014, 03:24:26 PM
The coop store in Marple will be closing in February for its refit
That's what I heard this morning they had a meeting yesterday .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: sgk on September 12, 2014, 06:29:17 PM
That's what I heard this morning they had a meeting yesterday .

A member of staff has told me it's February too.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on September 13, 2014, 03:31:54 PM
I know it has been mentioned before on here but I hope the staff are given some training in customer service when it becomes as ASDA. Went in earlier with an elderly lady and the female staff member at the cafe was very impatient and unfriendly even though they were very quiet and nobody was behind us in the queue. Additionally, the lady who served me at checkout didn't even acknowledge me never mind smile or even pretend they wanted to be there. Awful staff!
How very odd. I always find them friendly and helpful even at the end of a busy shift. I'm greeted like a welcome customer both at the checkout and when I need to ask one of the floor walkers a question.

Perhaps it's not just the attitude of the staff that causes the problems that certain people on here complain about? A smile and a "hello" doesn't cost customers anything either.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: JMC on September 14, 2014, 11:32:18 AM
How very odd. I always find them friendly and helpful even at the end of a busy shift. I'm greeted like a welcome customer both at the checkout and when I need to ask one of the floor walkers a question.

Perhaps it's not just the attitude of the staff that causes the problems that certain people on here complain about? A smile and a "hello" doesn't cost customers anything either.

I doubt it somehow as I have heard it so many times from numerous different people, on here and from acquaintances, friends and relatives. All staff (not just a handful) should be polite and welcoming at all times. I have never noticed this in any other supermarket. Blaming the customer is a cop out.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on September 14, 2014, 04:30:57 PM
I doubt it somehow as I have heard it so many times from numerous different people, on here and from acquaintances, friends and relatives. All staff (not just a handful) should be polite and welcoming at all times. I have never noticed this in any other supermarket. Blaming the customer is a cop out.
Unfortunately, some of the people who complain about the attitude of the staff in the Co-op are also people who exhibit rude behaviour on this forum. There may be a conclusion to be drawn.

I repeat: It has not been my experience that Co-op staff are rude or unhelpful but then, I'm not rude or unpleasant to them. There again, perhaps there's a conclusion to be drawn.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: JMC on September 14, 2014, 05:56:43 PM
Unfortunately, some of the people who complain about the attitude of the staff in the Co-op are also people who exhibit rude behaviour on this forum. There may be a conclusion to be drawn.

I repeat: It has not been my experience that Co-op staff are rude or unhelpful but then, I'm not rude or unpleasant to them. There again, perhaps there's a conclusion to be drawn.

It seems like you are suggesting I get rudeness because I am rude!!!  :D And you get friendly responses because you are nice!!! Do you work at the Coop by any chance  ;)

Sorry but I have never been 'rude' on this forum!! Or in the Coop!! In fact I know many staff there to speak to. A few are friendly, yes. But there are some who it seems like don't want to be there or don't make any effort or chat in the aisles for ages. Overall, though, surely the customer is always right, if their experience has been bad then this should be dealt with. Many residents say it is badly stocked/unfriendly etc. At the very least it should be seen as a possibility and not simply blaming the customer!!

The (non rude) elderly lady was slow, yes, she is 80+ with arthritis and took a while to order/get money out of purse. But that doesn't mean the staff member should be rude back surely!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dizzy Penguin on September 15, 2014, 08:22:04 AM
I asked about this and was also told February, but he was very much of the attitude of “…if it even happens at all.” I’m not sure if that was sour grapes cos it’s been put on hold or if it genuinely is precarious for whatever reasons.

Anyway, like Henrietta, I’ve always found the staff cheerful and fine. And unlike Henrietta, I’m not always cheerful and fine myself!

In fact there’s one lady who’s name escapes me (in her 40’s at a guess, blonde bob) who saw me with my newborn baby 18 months ago and now always asks about him when I’m at her checkout. She’s very friendly without being too in your face. I find all the staff friendly in Co-op, except for maybe ...............[removed by admin - PM me if you'd like to know why].

All staff (not just a handful) should be polite and welcoming at all times.

Who do you think you are?? You don't know anything about a particular persons day. Some people just have bad days. They didn't get enough sleep. Their cat died at the weekend. Could be anything. How dare you suggest ALL staff should give you the time of day at ALL times like you're some kind of god.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on September 15, 2014, 10:07:23 AM
I asked about this and was also told February, but he was very much of the attitude of “…if it even happens at all.” I’m not sure if that was sour grapes cos it’s been put on hold or if it genuinely is precarious for whatever reasons.

That was my first thought too, when someone posted here that the changeover had been put back to Feb, when it was previously expected about now.  It could be that the negotiations have stalled over a problem of some sort.  But even if that's the case, one thing is certain - the Co-op will dispose of it eventually.  Nationally they have made it plain that their policy is to concentrate on convenience stores in future. 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: JMC on September 15, 2014, 10:30:57 AM


Who do you think you are?? You don't know anything about a particular persons day. Some people just have bad days. They didn't get enough sleep. Their cat died at the weekend. Could be anything. How dare you suggest ALL staff should give you the time of day at ALL times like you're some kind of god.

Hmmm, OK.. Well when I worked in customer services, we had to be polite at all times no matter what day we had had. Tutting at an old lady because she took a while to get money out is not acceptable nor does expecting reasonable service mean you think you are some sort of God!! Sure everyone has an off day and may not be on top form/super friendly every time but there is never an excuse for rudeness.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: JMC on September 15, 2014, 10:32:34 AM
I reckon they are doing it after Christmas because it is busiest period and would probably be a complete nightmare trying to fit everything in before. Not to mention the huge money they would lose. Either way I am looking forward to the new Asda.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: munchkjn on September 19, 2014, 11:30:45 AM
I'm not really looking forward to it as I don't really like shopping in asda. I suppose I'm a snob but it makes me feel confused and anxious and I don't really like the layout or the product range. They seem to aim the brand at a certain demographic which I feel that maybe I don't fit into.

Are there still plans to bring an alternative supermarket to Marple on the site of the post office depot? I haven't heard anything about it for a while.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on September 19, 2014, 01:50:32 PM
That was my first thought too, when someone posted here that the changeover had been put back to Feb, when it was previously expected about now.  It could be that the negotiations have stalled over a problem of some sort.  But even if that's the case, one thing is certain - the Co-op will dispose of it eventually.  Nationally they have made it plain that their policy is to concentrate on convenience stores in future. 
Your right it's a paperwork problem .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on September 19, 2014, 02:59:29 PM
Your right it's a paperwork problem .

I didn't use the word 'paperwork', which makes it sound trivial.  It could equally well be something much more serious, to do with land ownership or access rights, for example.  We just don't know. 

Are there still plans to bring an alternative supermarket to Marple on the site of the post office depot? I haven't heard anything about it for a while.

It's now entirely in the hands of the council, so don't hold your breath!   ;)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on September 19, 2014, 03:32:10 PM
No it's in the hands of the supermarket who have expressed an interest and the other who have expressed mild interest.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on September 19, 2014, 04:54:22 PM
I'm not really looking forward to it as I don't really like shopping in asda. I suppose I'm a snob but it makes me feel confused and anxious and I don't really like the layout or the product range. They seem to aim the brand at a certain demographic which I feel that maybe I don't fit into.

Are there still plans to bring an alternative supermarket to Marple on the site of the post office depot? I haven't heard anything about it for a while.

You sound like a snob.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Bowden Guy on September 19, 2014, 05:06:58 PM
We are all "snobs" in that we all make value judgments about other people. For example, I consider myself superior to someone who robs a 22 year old woman, in the early hours of the morning, at the end of the road where I live. We all make these judgments, apart from you, of course......
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: pauljonespm on September 19, 2014, 11:40:07 PM
There is no interest from supermarkets for the sorting office site.
The build cost per sq ft is to expensive when compared to options in alternative towns.

Regarding the co-op, neither party would be satisfied if the store was  fully or part closed over the busiest months of the year so february looks like a sensible option.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on September 20, 2014, 07:40:51 AM
No it's in the hands of the supermarket who have expressed an interest and the other who have expressed mild interest.

As we know, wheels has impeccable council connections, so he may be better informed than the rest of us.  But my understanding is that the Chadwick/Trinity Street site has not yet been disposed of, or found a tenant, and is still in the hands of the Stockport Strategic Property Partnership, which is a partnership between the council and property firm Carillion:CBRE.  

A supermarket expressing interest, whether mild or not, does not change that status, and the likelihood is that pauljonespm will be proved correct:  
The build cost per sq ft is to expensive when compared to options in alternative towns.

Coming back to the Asda acquisition of the Co-op site, I would not be entirely surprised if that were to fall through now.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on September 20, 2014, 01:50:37 PM
My understanding of the situation is as follows and to some extent concurs with what Wheels has said.

There are two supermarkets interested in Chadwick street. The interest of one is much stronger than the other. However there is an increasing awareness amongst decision makers that Marple has an insoluble parking problem that is getting worse and if a new supermarket were to come to town then that would exacerbate it even further. The parking situation will even be worsened when/if the co-op changes to Asda.

So that is the dilemma; increased/improved supermarket provision versus parking.   
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on September 20, 2014, 04:17:08 PM
Fundamentally Simone is correct in the first part of her post there is a supermarket that is very interested one less so. As to what will happen who knows...As to the parking I must admit I was not aware there was a parking problem in the town centre,
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on September 20, 2014, 06:55:46 PM
Fundamentally Simone is correct in the first part of her post there is a supermarket that is very interested one less so. As to what will happen who knows...As to the parking I must admit I was not aware there was a parking problem in the town centre,

There isn't a problem it's just that people can't be bothered walking .or using public transport .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Belly on September 20, 2014, 08:17:25 PM
Fundamentally Simone is correct in the first part of her post there is a supermarket that is very interested one less so. As to what will happen who knows...As to the parking I must admit I was not aware there was a parking problem in the town centre,
But there will be when the Council sell the biggest public car park in Marple to allow a supermarket to be built on it! I'm not going to start on this again......   ;D
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on September 20, 2014, 08:23:03 PM
But there will be when the Council sell the biggest public car park in Marple to allow a supermarket to be built on it! I'm not going to start on this again......   ;D

The public/The drivers create the problem by driving instead of walking not the Local Authority.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Belly on September 20, 2014, 08:51:47 PM
The public/The drivers create the problem by driving instead of walking not the Local Authority.
Sorry wheels but that is absolute tosh.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on September 20, 2014, 10:57:59 PM
It seems like you are suggesting I get rudeness because I am rude!!!  :D And you get friendly responses because you are nice!!! Do you work at the Coop by any chance  ;)

Sorry but I have never been 'rude' on this forum!! Or in the Coop!! In fact I know many staff there to speak to. A few are friendly, yes. But there are some who it seems like don't want to be there or don't make any effort or chat in the aisles for ages. Overall, though, surely the customer is always right, if their experience has been bad then this should be dealt with. Many residents say it is badly stocked/unfriendly etc. At the very least it should be seen as a possibility and not simply blaming the customer!!

The (non rude) elderly lady was slow, yes, she is 80+ with arthritis and took a while to order/get money out of purse. But that doesn't mean the staff member should be rude back surely!
How very clever of you to know what I meant to say when I didn't know it myself. I didn't mention your user name and I don't know what your attitude in the shop is. However, if the cap fits wear it.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on September 20, 2014, 11:56:47 PM
I asked about this and was also told February, but he was very much of the attitude of “…if it even happens at all.” I’m not sure if that was sour grapes cos it’s been put on hold or if it genuinely is precarious for whatever reasons.

Anyway, like Henrietta, I’ve always found the staff cheerful and fine. And unlike Henrietta, I’m not always cheerful and fine myself!

In fact there’s one lady who’s name escapes me (in her 40’s at a guess, blonde bob) who saw me with my newborn baby 18 months ago and now always asks about him when I’m at her checkout. She’s very friendly without being too in your face. I find all the staff friendly in Co-op, except for maybe ...............[removed by admin - PM me if you'd like to know why].

Who do you think you are?? You don't know anything about a particular persons day. Some people just have bad days. They didn't get enough sleep. Their cat died at the weekend. Could be anything. How dare you suggest ALL staff should give you the time of day at ALL times like you're some kind of god.
Good for you, DP and I know the lady you mean. She always asks after my horse having seen me one day when I'd come straight from the stables covered in straw.

There's a young girl on the checkout who is very shy and seems at first glance to be stand-offish but she comes out of her shell if you smile and talk to her and she's very helpful.

I'm not always all sweetness and light when I get out of the car but I don't think I should take that with me into the store and throw it at the first assistant I speak to so I try to bear in mind that the other person may be having a bad day too and I find a smile and a friendly word works wonders. It cheers me up too, much more than if I'd been grumpy.

I worked in shops and cafes when I was a student and I know what a thankless task it is. One becomes grateful for even something as small as a smile. Fortunately, I wasn't condemned to spend my working life there. Other people do it because they have no option and shouldn't be sneered at.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: mikes on September 21, 2014, 03:43:36 PM
I wonder where ASDA are going to put the petrol station they will inevitably want ?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Harry on September 21, 2014, 05:59:34 PM
I wonder where ASDA are going to put the petrol station they will inevitably want ?

As only one of the nearest twelve Asda stores has a petrol station, I doubt that this will be a problem.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on September 22, 2014, 11:27:41 AM
Whatever the reason and whosoever you attribute the blame too, there is a parking problem in Marple and it gets worse as each year goes by.

The benefit of a new supermarket in the centre is increased competition/choice and all the implications this offers. Also to enhance the business of the local traders. If there is nowhere for people to park then this enhancement will be cancelled out. If you take your car into Marple on a Friday or Saturday you will experience difficulty in parking it in fact you may not be able to do it at all. I know this as I have first - hand experience of it myself. 

Therefore by definition there is a parking problem and if we reduce the number of parking spaces by building a supermarket on an existing car-park then this problem will be made worse.

That's my take on it anyway.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: munchkjn on September 22, 2014, 12:46:53 PM
You sound like a snob.

I don't particularly think I'm better than anyone, I just don't like asda.

Interesting to read the developments, increased choice is a good thing as we are all different  :)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on September 22, 2014, 03:05:47 PM
I don't particularly think I'm better than anyone, I just don't like asda.

Interesting to read the developments, increased choice is a good thing as we are all different  :)

Lot of men stocktaking in the coop this morning will that be for coop or Asda . All the shelves seamed to be stocked .up  including the veg .not usually like that on a Monday ......
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: alison on September 23, 2014, 11:02:39 PM
As only one of the nearest twelve Asda stores has a petrol station, I doubt that this will be a problem.

I can't  actually think of a local Asda that has a petrol station, which is it? Asda s'more recent business model is for smaller stores ( e.g. The one in Reddish, the new one about to open near Stockport Tesco, the one in Longsight, Cheadle Hulme) . The Marple size is a pretty good fit with that and two existing petrol stations is probably enough!

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on September 24, 2014, 10:10:34 AM
The only Asda with fuel that I can think of is the one in Moss Side.  When Asda's Hibbert Lane scheme was still alive, they planned to sell fuel there, which would have done wonders for the exorbitant price of fuel in Marple!

Re the sales area of Asda stores, I don't know about the others that Alison mentions, but the new one in Reddish is far bigger than the Marple Co-op, which as I recall is a mere 17,000 sq.ft.  See http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/business/asda-announces-300-new-jobs-7574078

The Marple Co-op is an unusual size - bigger than a convenience store but not as big as a 'normal' supermarket.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Howard on September 24, 2014, 12:41:56 PM
Ashton-under-Lyne Asda has a petrol station. That's a big 24hr store as well.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on September 25, 2014, 08:09:44 PM

The Marple Co-op is an unusual size......not as big as a 'normal' supermarket.
It will be, Dave, it will be!

Although Asda is following the other big supermarket names into "convenience" stores. Perhaps that's why they took on the Co-op sites. The following is from December last year:-

http://www.marketingmagazine.co.uk/article/1224888/asda-reveals-new-high-street-format-convenience-battle-heightens
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on September 26, 2014, 10:25:31 AM
I don't really understand your point the Marple Co-op is much much larger than what is meant by a "convenience store" and not at all what Andy Clarke was taking about in the article your shared with us.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on September 26, 2014, 10:55:51 AM
It will be, Dave, it will be!

Although Asda is following the other big supermarket names into "convenience" stores. Perhaps that's why they took on the Co-op sites. The following is from December last year:-

http://www.marketingmagazine.co.uk/article/1224888/asda-reveals-new-high-street-format-convenience-battle-heightens

I've read the article login and your comments are perplexing.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on September 26, 2014, 12:21:18 PM
I don't really understand your point the Marple Co-op is much much larger than what is meant by a "convenience store" and not at all what Andy Clarke was taking about in the article your shared with us.
Suggest you read the link
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on September 26, 2014, 12:26:54 PM
I've read the article login and your comments are perplexing.
(Sigh)

Quote from the link.

"It forms a wider part of Asda’s belated attempt to muscle into the convenience sector."

There are other links I could have included. Would you like me to do so?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on September 26, 2014, 12:31:34 PM
With Simone on this your not making any sense at all H.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on September 26, 2014, 12:58:32 PM
With Simone on this your not making any sense at all H.
For Simone and Wheels benefit:-

Asda - has - a - plan - to - move - into - the - "con-ven-ience" - market - this - includes - smaller - local - town - super-markets - as - well - as - small - garage - forecourt - shops - perhaps - this - is - their - plan - for - Marple.

I've put the above into words of as few syllables as possible but I can translate it into French, German, Welsh or Spanish if you would find one of those easier to understand.

For the rest of the world - In 2010 there was a Dow Jones report of an interview with a Walmart spokeswoman which stated categorically that Asda would be concentrating on opening smaller stores in the UK as part of its long term game plan. I was suggesting that, perhaps, Asda's purchase of the Co-op's smaller supermarkets (of which Marple is one) may be part of that strategy. They have already re-opened a small store in Sheffield in one of the premises they bought from Netto and intend continuing with more of the same.

I hope that is now clear.



Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Harry on September 26, 2014, 01:53:36 PM
I think that Asda's plan is to move into the convenience store market, as have Sainsburys, Tesco and Morrisons, in addition to having larger supermarkets. This is in contrast to the co-op who have stated that they are moving solely to convenience stores.

A convenience store tends to be up to approx 4,000 sq ft. Marple's Co-op is 17,000 sq ft. Obviously a supermarket as its far too large to be classed as a convenience store.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on September 26, 2014, 02:48:17 PM
Useful definitions here:  http://www.igd.com/our-expertise/Retail/Convenience/3369/Convenience-Retailing-Market-Overview/

In the UK, a convenience store is defined as being under 3,000 sq.ft trading area.  Anything bigger than that is subject to the six-hour restriction on Sunday opening hours. 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on September 26, 2014, 05:20:28 PM
As I said 'perplexing.'

I think that it is highly unlikely that Asda are going to purchase a 17,000 square feet store and turn it into a 4000 square feet store.

Thanks for the offers of the translations login but your hypothesis might make more sense if you translated it into Mandarin Chinese. 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on September 26, 2014, 07:23:32 PM
For Simone and Wheels benefit:-

Asda - has - a - plan - to - move - into - the - "con-ven-ience" - market - this - includes - smaller - local - town - super-markets - as - well - as - small - garage - forecourt - shops - perhaps - this - is - their - plan - for - Marple.

I've put the above into words of as few syllables as possible but I can translate it into French, German, Welsh or Spanish if you would find one of those easier to understand.

For the rest of the world - In 2010 there was a Dow Jones report of an interview with a Walmart spokeswoman which stated categorically that Asda would be concentrating on opening smaller stores in the UK as part of its long term game plan. I was suggesting that, perhaps, Asda's purchase of the Co-op's smaller supermarkets (of which Marple is one) may be part of that strategy. They have already re-opened a small store in Sheffield in one of the premises they bought from Netto and intend continuing with more of the same.

I hope that is now clear.


So why are they opening a large supermarket at hillgate . That's near Wicks .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on September 28, 2014, 12:02:03 AM
So why are they opening a large supermarket at hillgate . That's near Wicks .

I thought it was Reddish
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: alison on September 28, 2014, 09:49:30 AM
I thought it was Reddish

You are both kind of right. It's officially Reddish, near Wickes and Halfords. I drive past it every day. Its opening in the next two weeks and the floor space is big but not anywhere near the size of the stockport superstore. Its probably about the size of the Asda in Hazel Grove. It looks like about a third of the space has been given over to George.

Anyhoo, back to Marple....
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on September 28, 2014, 11:52:24 AM
I thought it was Reddish

Ok reddish then does it really matter most people know we're whicks is anyway ....
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on September 29, 2014, 03:36:01 PM
For Simone and Wheels benefit:-

Asda - has - a - plan - to - move - into - the - "con-ven-ience" - market - this - includes - smaller - local - town - super-markets - as - well - as - small - garage - forecourt - shops - perhaps - this - is - their - plan - for - Marple.

I've put the above into words of as few syllables as possible but I can translate it into French, German, Welsh or Spanish if you would find one of those easier to understand.

For the rest of the world - In 2010 there was a Dow Jones report of an interview with a Walmart spokeswoman which stated categorically that Asda would be concentrating on opening smaller stores in the UK as part of its long term game plan. I was suggesting that, perhaps, Asda's purchase of the Co-op's smaller supermarkets (of which Marple is one) may be part of that strategy. They have already re-opened a small store in Sheffield in one of the premises they bought from Netto and intend continuing with more of the same.

I hope that is now clear.





Their Netto stores have all been transferred to Asda or sold off. There will be a lot of tooing & froing on the purchase of any hypermarket site as there are now planning issues surrounding any new hypermarket as there is a (too little too late) concern about the impact on existing and established high streets.

The strategy to aim at smaller stores is driven by the lack of hypermarket sites available.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: curlywurly on November 17, 2014, 08:24:27 PM
So not much longer to wait........... Decision due 28 November 2014.   
The (CMA) Competition and Markets Authority is investigating the anticipated acquisition by Asda Stores Limited of 5 grocery stores from Co-operative Group Limited.
https://www.gov.uk/cma-cases/asda-stores-limited-co-operative-group-limited-5-stores (https://www.gov.uk/cma-cases/asda-stores-limited-co-operative-group-limited-5-stores)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on November 19, 2014, 11:24:27 AM
An interesting link from curlyworly.  As the nearest existing Asda is in Hazel Grove, I would be surprised if this was regarded as 'a substantial lessening of competition'.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on November 19, 2014, 03:37:10 PM
An interesting link from curlyworly.  As the nearest existing Asda is in Hazel Grove, I would be surprised if this was regarded as 'a substantial lessening of competition'.

yes your right Marple is no exactly saturated with supermarkets .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: curlywurly on November 28, 2014, 04:01:18 PM
Competition and Markets Authority case CMA clearance decision....

28 November 2014: The CMA has cleared the anticipated acquisition by Asda Stores Limited of 5 grocery stores and 3 petrol filling stations from Co-operative Group Limited. The full text of the decision will be available shortly.
https://www.gov.uk/cma-cases/asda-stores-limited-co-operative-group-limited-5-stores (https://www.gov.uk/cma-cases/asda-stores-limited-co-operative-group-limited-5-stores)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on November 28, 2014, 05:10:12 PM
Competition and Markets Authority case CMA clearance decision....

28 November 2014: The CMA has cleared the anticipated acquisition by Asda Stores Limited of 5 grocery stores and 3 petrol filling stations from Co-operative Group Limited. The full text of the decision will be available shortly.
https://www.gov.uk/cma-cases/asda-stores-limited-co-operative-group-limited-5-stores (https://www.gov.uk/cma-cases/asda-stores-limited-co-operative-group-limited-5-stores)

Great roll on February .or even sooner .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on December 17, 2014, 09:46:58 PM
Great roll on February .or even sooner .


14 feb they take over ....
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on December 19, 2014, 02:02:53 PM

14 feb they take over ....
Valentine's Day  ;D
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on December 19, 2014, 08:28:27 PM
Valentine's Day  ;D
as I said sooner the better it was terrible in there this morning very little veg not many in .

Some lovely expensive turkeys .£45 large .....

Move on time for change .feel sorry for some of the staff some will be going ..you can't stand around talking .

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: BennyBlue on January 26, 2015, 08:57:49 PM
Yes - signs up saying CO-OP will close on 14th Feb
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on January 31, 2015, 01:48:55 PM
Yes - signs up saying CO-OP will close on 14th Feb

Re opens April as ASDA will be interesting to see how busy Marple is when closed .the car park will be closed of so no parking there ..
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Victor M on January 31, 2015, 03:24:11 PM
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Re opens April as ASDA

April seems a long time for the store to be closed, it only took them 2 weeks to convert the store at Hazel Grove.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on January 31, 2015, 03:43:06 PM
Re opens April as ASDA will be interesting to see how busy Marple is when closed .the car park will be closed of so no parking there ..

What's the source on that? 6 weeks seems an awfully long time, and has the danger of people getting used to not shopping in Marple. Which is bad for all the businesses, not just ASDA.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on January 31, 2015, 04:38:56 PM
What's the source on that? 6 weeks seems an awfully long time, and has the danger of people getting used to not shopping in Marple. Which is bad for all the businesses, not just ASDA.

Staff told by two different staff this morning .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: JMC on January 31, 2015, 10:21:09 PM
I was told it will have a small GEORGE clothing and an opticians.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on February 01, 2015, 07:35:57 AM
Staff told by two different staff this morning .

Fair enough. But it's a pity about that car park as that is going to screw everyone else.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on February 01, 2015, 07:38:19 AM
I was told it will have a small GEORGE clothing and an opticians.

Most supermarkets have their clothing range in anything larger than a convirnence store sized shop, so that makes  sense. But it'd be a squeeze to fit in an opticians as well.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 01, 2015, 09:17:05 AM
What's the source on that? 6 weeks seems an awfully long time, and has the danger of people getting used to not shopping in Marple. Which is bad for all the businesses, not just ASDA.

I think other businesses would do well in that time IF the car park was open. Looks a bit of a mean trick to close the carpark.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Harry on February 01, 2015, 10:13:02 AM
If it's true that the Asda car park will be closed to the public then it may be that they need easy access for their teams of shopfitters etc. Shoppers will just have to park in one of the council car parks. They only ever seem to be full at Christmas. Or people could always walk.

I would expect Asda to introduce a charge for their car park anyway. Refundable after spending something like £5 in store. Afterall Asda will probably be considerably busier then the Co-op, so they'll need their car park for their customers, not for other local traders.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 01, 2015, 12:12:45 PM
What's the source on that? 6 weeks seems an awfully long time, and has the danger of people getting used to not shopping in Marple. Which is bad for all the businesses, not just ASDA.
Looks as though it's a full rip out rewire heating .staff going on training coarses .they are still saying six weeks .can someone else Ask as well .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 01, 2015, 01:45:28 PM
Looks as though it's a full rip out rewire heating .staff going on training coarses .they are still saying six weeks .can someone else Ask as well .

There are other small coops not far away .Bredbury .  A6 . Down the road Marple Garage .ita not as though they are going out of business .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Barbara on February 01, 2015, 04:08:20 PM
Does the car park actually belong to the Co-op?  I seem to remember there being some doubt about this before, when it was disputed that they could charge for parking. 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 01, 2015, 04:50:24 PM
Does the car park actually belong to the Co-op?  I seem to remember there being some doubt about this before, when it was disputed that they could charge for parking.
Acording to civic society .minutes on this website some of it belongs to stockport MBC .the rest the coop
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 01, 2015, 04:52:26 PM
Does the car park actually belong to the Co-op?  I seem to remember there being some doubt about this before, when it was disputed that they could charge for parking.

Shared with the council, the council insists on paying for parking but I think the coop have not enforced it. It may be something for the council to appreciate that car park charges are not good for business & perhaps worth considering when they rejuvenate the shopping precinct in Stockport
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 02, 2015, 11:29:41 AM
Thanks Howard .
. Closed for eight weeks new cafe wet fish new bakery ..a dominos type place ..

Should be interesting .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on February 02, 2015, 09:20:13 PM
There are other small coops not far away .Bredbury .  A6 . Down the road Marple Garage .ita not as though they are going out of business .
Ah, but the Co-op at the filling station only has limited stock. Oh well, as I am in Glossop 3 or 4 days a week, I'll be using the Co-op there for things I can't get in independent shops in Marple. Which may get me into Aldi as well. So ya-boo-sucks to Asda.

Sad really, the Co-op has had stores in Marple since at least 1898 - end of an era. In their day the Co-operative Societies were a boon to working class people. Often, the dividend was the only money the housewife could save against a rainy day or for a celebration. I can remember, as a little girl in the 1950s, going with my Aunt to collect her "divi" money in time for preparing for Christmas. My parents and grandparents didn't use the Co-op because they owned businesses in Marple themselves and insisted that we should give our trade to people who gave us theirs. That sort of loyalty doesn't seem to exist anymore but I do try to follow my Father's principles and use local independents wherever possible.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: hollins on February 02, 2015, 10:09:57 PM
(From a checkout assistant) - Co-op closes 14 February, ASDA opens 13 April.

Given the masses of empty shelves in the Co-op this evening their stock will have gone long before 14th February. I'm just wondering which day they will start cutting the price on their wines ...
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on February 02, 2015, 10:17:42 PM

Given the masses of empty shelves in the Co-op this evening

That's just business as usual for the Marple Co-Op isn't it? Hence why the store is being sold.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 03, 2015, 05:12:09 PM
(From a checkout assistant) - Coop closes 14 February, ASDA opens 13 April.

Given the masses of empty shelves in the Coop this evening their stock will have gone long before 14Th February. I'm just wondering which day they will start cutting the price on their wines ...

allready are on some wines .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 03, 2015, 05:16:23 PM
Ah, but the Co-op at the filling station only has limited stock. Oh well, as I am in Glossop 3 or 4 days a week, I'll be using the Co-op there for things I can't get in independent shops in Marple. Which may get me into Aldi as well. So ya-boo-sucks to Asda.

Sad really, the Co-op has had stores in Marple since at least 1898 - end of an era. In their day the Co-operative Societies were a boon to working class people. Often, the dividend was the only money the housewife could save against a rainy day or for a celebration. I can remember, as a little girl in the 1950s, going with my Aunt to collect her "divi" money in time for preparing for Christmas. My parents and grandparents didn't use the Co-op because they owned businesses in Marple themselves and insisted that we should give our trade to people who gave us theirs. That sort of loyalty doesn't seem to exist anymore but I do try to follow my Father's principles and use local independents wherever possible.
theres a picture on virtual tour of the coop at lower fold in its hayday .problem now no alternative stores in marple for two months .stores not shops .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: sgk on February 03, 2015, 09:59:53 PM
theres a picture on virtual tour of the coop at lower fold in its hayday .problem now no alternative stores in marple for two months .stores not shops .

Here are a couple from the virtual tour.

(http://visitmarple.co.uk/photos/albums/uploads/new/mlhs14/lower-fold-coop.jpg) (http://visitmarple.co.uk/photos/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pid=7815)(http://visitmarple.co.uk/photos/albums/uploads/marplebridge/picture08.jpg) (http://visitmarple.co.uk/photos/albums/uploads/marplebridge/picture08.jpg)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: admin on February 04, 2015, 06:41:55 AM
theres a picture on virtual tour of the coop at lower fold in its hayday .problem now no alternative stores in marple for two months .stores not shops .

Maybe it's a great opportunity to try out Marple's independent shops for a lot of the stuff you would normally get from the Co-Op. A lot of people aren't doing a "big shop" anymore apparently. They are shopping more often and just getting what they need. Just an idea.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 04, 2015, 08:11:03 AM
theres a picture on virtual tour of the coop at lower fold in its hayday .problem now no alternative stores in marple for two months .stores not shops .

When I had Saturday's free, I did my shop in Marple, the quality of food far exceeds supermarkets, it was a nice little loop, fish man, greengrocer, butcher, archers , super drug and the household stuff fromthe discount guy. It was far quicker than going to the Copland I spent less as I didn't buy the rubbish extras.
Try it, you may not bother with Asda when it opens
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Harry on February 04, 2015, 11:04:05 AM
When I had Saturday's free, I did my shop in Marple, the quality of food far exceeds supermarkets, it was a nice little loop, fish man, greengrocer, butcher, archers , super drug and the household stuff fromthe discount guy. It was far quicker than going to the Copland I spent less as I didn't buy the rubbish extras.
Try it, you may not bother with Asda when it opens

And it has the added advantage that you can spend up to twice as much per item by shopping with with local traders.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on February 04, 2015, 12:11:43 PM
Why would anyone go to shops when they have a keyboard.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Middle wood on February 04, 2015, 04:20:54 PM
I wonder just how much thought the Asda shop planners put into what the local area needs. Did they visit Marple even? It would have been nice if there could have been some consultation.

Marple has its fair share of bakeries and cafés. I most definitely will not be using Asda for either as these are far superior to the awful Asda cafés and cheap bakery items that I've had from Asda before. A fish counter is a good idea although Morrisons are hard to beat on that front. A decent deli too. What I want most from the Marple supermarket is a good range of the basics at reasonable prices and not small sections of bakeries, cafés, George clothing, pizza counters.

Pretty sure, though, that Asda will just try to undercut the local shops. I know that they are in business to make money but they were trying to promote the Hibbert Lane store as a community supermarket before. I've not heard a single statement from them on this store.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 04, 2015, 04:28:02 PM
When I had Saturday's free, I did my shop in Marple, the quality of food far exceeds supermarkets, it was a nice little loop, fish man, greengrocer, butcher, archers , super drug and the household stuff fromthe discount guy. It was far quicker than going to the Copland I spent less as I didn't buy the rubbish extras.
Try it, you may not bother with Asda when it opens

Bet you use Asda when it comes though .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Middle wood on February 04, 2015, 04:41:35 PM
Entirely depends if it's better than what I use now. I hardly use the Co-op but do use the butcher.s, green grocers and local cafés. I have the advantage of being close enough to other supermarkets at various days in the week. So the choice is mine!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 04, 2015, 10:32:17 PM

And it has the added advantage that you can spend up to twice as much per item by shopping with with local traders.

Seriously? I spend a little more at Archers but I don't eat a lot of bread so go for the quality but Greggs and Greenaughs is far cheaper and Still better than the Co-op or an Asda. Both butchers are better value than supermarkets, both greengrocers are better quality and Wilsons is  a fair bit cheaper and the fish guy is a different league to the vac pac stuff that supermarkets offer (in fairness Moggys is good).

In short, it's a lot cheaper to go local.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 04, 2015, 10:32:59 PM
Why would anyone go to shops when they have a keyboard.

Because they care what they put in their mouths
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on February 05, 2015, 12:14:45 AM
So only all small retailers are honest and provide good products are services. Is that the case Duke, that's leaving aside their unwillingness to move into the current century.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 05, 2015, 10:26:40 AM
So only all small retailers are honest and provide good products are services. Is that the case Duke, that's leaving aside their unwillingness to move into the current century.

Did you get an English O'level at comprehension? Not sure where you concluded that from anything I posted.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on February 05, 2015, 04:31:17 PM
That's just business as usual for the Marple Co-Op isn't it? Hence why the store is being sold.
The Co-op is being sold because of changes brought about due to overall company financial problems caused by miss-management in another part of the company.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on February 05, 2015, 04:34:51 PM
allready are on some wines .
Not looked at the wine section this week but they have always had good deals on wine for (and I don't drink rubbish!)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on February 05, 2015, 04:37:58 PM
Maybe it's a great opportunity to try out Marple's independent shops for a lot of the stuff you would normally get from the Co-Op. A lot of people aren't doing a "big shop" anymore apparently. They are shopping more often and just getting what they need. Just an idea.
Here, here! "That's a good idea, son" as the comedian used to say.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Victor M on February 05, 2015, 04:47:06 PM
What worries me is that there are a large number of elderly people in Marple who walk to the co-op to do a small shop and although they could buy many of the items from a local independent shop there are lots of other essentials that they won't be able to buy easily. e.g. Washing up liquid, detergent, cereals, biscuits etc.

8 weeks is a long time to be shut.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on February 05, 2015, 04:50:44 PM
And it has the added advantage that you can spend up to twice as much per item by shopping with with local traders.
Yes, but if the produce lasts twice as long as the supermarket you only need to shop half as often. In any case, when was the last time you went into a supermarket for a loaf of bread and a container of milk and came out with only what you went in for?

Just after Christmas I was asked to cater for a brunch party for 20people with a special request for a fish dish. I priced smoked haddock and priced it at the fishmonger's in Market street and 3 supermarkets. The fishmonger was better quality and cheaper than buying it as numerous small packs of "bits" that Tesco, Sainsbury's and Morrisons had on offer and on top of the cost of the fish, I'd have had to factor in the price of petrol to go to a s/market outside Marple to get it.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on February 05, 2015, 04:59:00 PM
So only all small retailers are honest and provide good products are services. Is that the case Duke, that's leaving aside their unwillingness to move into the current century.
"So only all small retailers are honest and provide good products are services" No, they aren't but if they aren't they don't stay in business. Most of the independent retailers in Marple who have stood the course have done so because they give good service and value for money. Just remember that "value  for money" and "cheap" at not synonymous.

Be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 05, 2015, 05:01:36 PM
Yes, but if the produce lasts twice as long as the supermarket you only need to shop half as often. In any case, when was the last time you went into a supermarket for a loaf of bread and a container of milk and came out with only what you went in for?

Just after Christmas I was asked to cater for a brunch party for 20people with a special request for a fish dish. I priced smoked haddock and priced it at the fishmonger's in Market street and 3 supermarkets. The fishmonger was better quality and cheaper than buying it as numerous small packs of "bits" that Tesco, Sainsbury's and Morrisons had on offer and on top of the cost of the fish, I'd have had to factor in the price of petrol to go to a s/market outside Marple to get it.
when asda comes they are having a fish counter . so you will be able to compare
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on February 05, 2015, 05:11:02 PM
What worries me is that there are a large number of elderly people in Marple who walk to the co-op to do a small shop and although they could buy many of the items from a local independent shop there are lots of other essentials that they won't be able to buy easily. e.g. Washing up liquid, detergent, cereals, biscuits etc.

8 weeks is a long time to be shut.
Washing-up liquid and detergent - the hardware shop next to The Bull's Head on Market Street, the convenience store on Church Lane where the off-licence was, the shop on the corner of Dale Road, the Co-op at the filling station.

Cereals, biscuits, etc. - Iceland, the convenience store on Church Lane where the off-licence was, the shop on the corner of Dale Road, the Co-op at the filling station.

Just to name a few.

8 weeks is Asda's fault, not the Co-op's. And if you are so concerned about Marple's old people and their shopping will you be volunteering to do their shopping for them when you go out of the village to do yours? Or to give them a lift into the village?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on February 05, 2015, 05:18:35 PM
when asda comes they are having a fish counter . so you will be able to compare
You will indeed but in common with other supermarkets, Asda's fish will have wandered all round the country from supplier to main distribution centre to local distribution centre before it gets anywhere near Marple. The fishmonger on Market Street gets his fish virtually from the quay.  And if Asda's wet fish counter is as stinky and the fish as "tired" looking as that in the Morrisons in Hyde the last time I was in there, the fishmonger on Market Street has nothing to worry about!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: EmmyJane Designs on February 05, 2015, 06:04:51 PM
One of the reasons we moved to Marple was for the shopping, independent shops that is.
I agree with Henrietta that the food and perishables bought from our local shops is of high quality.
For example I buy a couple of sausages from Littlewoods butches and my mother in law will buy a pack of cheap 'walls' from a supermarket. She will eat half the pack, whereas I only need 2. The local butchers sausages will be full of high quality meat and flavour, not just fat and left over bits.

I also use the health food shop for refills of 'ecover' products. Which ends up cheaper than a supermarket.

People will always moan that they haven't the time to shop locally. This may be the case. However I enjoy the exercise, bumping into friends and neighbours, the fact that many of the local traders know my name and in some cases will give you samples to try or a little extra meat.

If we don't shop locally the very face of Marple will change imo 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Victor M on February 05, 2015, 06:14:08 PM
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And if you are so concerned about Marple's old people and their shopping will you be volunteering to do their shopping for them when you go out of the village to do yours? Or to give them a lift into the village?

I already do, as well as volunteering at a local charity, giving my services free at local children's sporting events, why do you always think the worse Henrietta?

I was just pointing out that there is some very vulnerable people in our community who will find it hard not having a supermarket for 8 weeks.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: red666bear on February 05, 2015, 07:31:28 PM
You will indeed but in common with other supermarkets, Asda's fish will have wandered all round the country from supplier to main distribution centre to local distribution centre before it gets anywhere near Marple. The fishmonger on Market Street gets his fish virtually from the quay.  And if Asda's wet fish counter is as stinky and the fish as "tired" looking as that in the Morrisons in Hyde the last time I was in there, the fishmonger on Market Street has nothing to worry about!
He the fishmonger also gets his electricity from the bulls head via an open window. I am sure the fish in asda will be fly free.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 05, 2015, 07:52:21 PM
He the fishmonger also gets his electricity from the bulls head via an open window. I am sure the fish in asda will be fly free.
But he pays for his electric via a meter .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 05, 2015, 08:31:49 PM
What worries me is that there are a large number of elderly people in Marple who walk to the co-op to do a small shop and although they could buy many of the items from a local independent shop there are lots of other essentials that they won't be able to buy easily. e.g. Washing up liquid, detergent, cereals, biscuits etc.

8 weeks is a long time to be shut.

Iceland will do all those, all cheaper than the Co-op and Asda for that matter.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 05, 2015, 08:36:41 PM
You will indeed but in common with other supermarkets, Asda's fish will have wandered all round the country from supplier to main distribution centre to local distribution centre before it gets anywhere near Marple. The fishmonger on Market Street gets his fish virtually from the quay.  And if Asda's wet fish counter is as stinky and the fish as "tired" looking as that in the Morrisons in Hyde the last time I was in there, the fishmonger on Market Street has nothing to worry about!

The fish counter in Moggy's is about a day fresher than Asda. As you say, fish quay yo distribution centre to packing , to store does not fresh fish make. Moggy's had the shortest supply chain of all the biggies but none will have been over to 'umberside that morning in the way the proper fish mongers operate.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 05, 2015, 08:39:06 PM
I already do, as well as volunteering at a local charity, giving my services free at local children's sporting events, why do you always think the worse Henrietta?

I was just pointing out that there is some very vulnerable people in our community who will find it hard not having a supermarket for 8 weeks.

The point being is it will not be hard at all.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Victor M on February 05, 2015, 08:48:22 PM
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The point being is it will not be hard at all.

For us able bodied people you are right but if you were unsteady on your feet, didn't have full mobility then you would find it hard getting round all the different shops. just look at the number of people who shop at the co-op who have a limp, use a stick, have poor eye sight. Never mind them having to squeeze into say Iceland. Our local shops are not geared up to serving large quantities of people. Please look after any elderly neighbours, they could probably do with some help shopping over the next 8 weeks.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 05, 2015, 09:17:58 PM
For us able bodied people you are right but if you were unsteady on your feet, didn't have full mobility then you would find it hard getting round all the different shops. just look at the number of people who shop at the co-op who have a limp, use a stick, have poor eye sight. Never mind them having to squeeze into say Iceland. Our local shops are not geared up to serving large quantities of people. Please look after any elderly neighbours, they could probably do with some help shopping over the next 8 weeks.
Agree with you there re elderly my wife is waiting for hip replacement going through the process stepping hill at the moment /so it has really brought it home to me how the infirm
strugle they will miss the taxi stoping at the door coop /but its not staying closed for very long it will be reopening .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: EmmyJane Designs on February 05, 2015, 09:22:39 PM
I noticed many times the butchers (both) and staff at' Nealds fruit and veg' always come out to help anyone with a disability.
Also I'm guessing that if you were to put in a big enough order to any local shops, they would ensure you got a delivery.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on February 05, 2015, 11:13:55 PM
I already do, as well as volunteering at a local charity, giving my services free at local children's sporting events, why do you always think the worse Henrietta?

I was just pointing out that there is some very vulnerable people in our community who will find it hard not having a supermarket for 8 weeks.
I apologise for misjudging you but I wasn't aware that I "always think the worse". Interesting to know that.

And I was pointing out that Marple without a supermarket for 8 weeks will not be a desert with  pensioners (of which I am one) starving to death in the gutter on Hollins Lane.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on February 05, 2015, 11:47:32 PM
For us able bodied people you are right but if you were unsteady on your feet, didn't have full mobility then you would find it hard getting round all the different shops. just look at the number of people who shop at the co-op who have a limp, use a stick, have poor eye sight. Never mind them having to squeeze into say Iceland. Our local shops are not geared up to serving large quantities of people. Please look after any elderly neighbours, they could probably do with some help shopping over the next 8 weeks.
Oh do get a grip, Victor. There are queues in Supermarkets at busy times. What do you think we did before S/markets? We queued in an orderly fashion if the shop was busy or we went at a time when we knew that they wouldn't be busy. Are you expecting carrot riots if people have to wait to be served in Neal's? Are you anticipating bouncers on the door at Iceland?

(And I'm a pensioner who uses a stick.)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 06, 2015, 08:10:16 AM
For us able bodied people you are right but if you were unsteady on your feet, didn't have full mobility then you would find it hard getting round all the different shops. just look at the number of people who shop at the co-op who have a limp, use a stick, have poor eye sight. Never mind them having to squeeze into say Iceland. Our local shops are not geared up to serving large quantities of people. Please look after any elderly neighbours, they could probably do with some help shopping over the next 8 weeks.

There is very little difference in walking from fish man, greengrocer, to discount guy,  to butcher, to Iceland, to bakery when compared to covering the aisles at the coop.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on February 09, 2015, 01:04:20 PM
There is very little difference in walking from fish man, greengrocer, to discount guy,  to butcher, to Iceland, to bakery when compared to covering the aisles at the coop.
Exactly!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Barbara on February 09, 2015, 01:25:57 PM
Bit ironic today - I got a £1 off voucher if you spend £10.  Got to find £10 worth of things to buy first!   ;)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: mikes on February 09, 2015, 08:49:11 PM
I wonder if the Co-op at New Mills is staying?  I might have to go down there.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 09, 2015, 09:13:28 PM
I wonder if the Co-op at New Mills is staying?  I might have to go down there.
YES .theres one at A6 facing collage Berycroft lane Bredbury one on Bosdon fold somewere.  Glossop rail station .theres five large ones closing .but no more round hear /
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Bowden Guy on February 09, 2015, 09:18:55 PM
There is very little difference in walking from fish man, greengrocer, to discount guy,  to butcher, to Iceland, to bakery when compared to covering the aisles at the coop.

Funnily enough, that's the complete opposite of what we were told when Asda wanted to open at Hibbert Lane. We were assured by Miss Marple (remember her?) that Asda would kill off these shops.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on February 10, 2015, 08:11:24 AM
Like others, with some exceptions, I cannot really see a great difference in terms of physical agility in walking around the co-op against walking around the local shops in Marple.

If nothing else it will move us out of that sanitised, supermarket atmosphere.

It will be very interesting to see what effect the absence of a long standing supermarket has on the community as a whole. I suspect that many of us could be pleasantly surprised.   
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 10, 2015, 09:12:58 AM
Funnily enough, that's the complete opposite of what we were told when Asda wanted to open at Hibbert Lane. We were assured by Miss Marple (remember her?) that Asda would kill off these shops.

I remember Miss Marple bringing in her friend Sheila Oliver who made Miss Marple appear sane and grounded.

I don't think there is a contradiction, it was argued that Hibbert lane would kill the local shops as it would suck trade out of the centre. I think that is concurrent with the argument that this little period of being supermarket -free will prove the point.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 10, 2015, 12:04:15 PM
Like others, with some exceptions, I cannot really see a great difference in terms of physical agility in walking around the co-op against walking around the local shops in Marple.

If nothing else it will move us out of that sanitised, supermarket atmosphere.

It will be very interesting to see what effect the absence of a long standing supermarket has on the community as a whole. I suspect that many of us could be pleasantly surprised.
Coops flat maket street is not some of the shops have large steps .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Howard on February 10, 2015, 12:15:19 PM
Coops flat. maket street is not. some of the shops have large steps .

@amazon If someone you know has a problem with steps, they may have a case for complaint under the 2004 Disability Discrimination Act where businesses and organisations are required to make reasonable physical adjustments to their premises to assist disabled users. The businesses and organisations affected include shops, banks, libraries, places of worship, restaurants, and schools. They may have to make changes like building ramps to replace stairs, widening door-ways, or having Braille signs or menus. Many big businesses have already made changes. For example, look at the Natwest in Marple.

As I understand it, compliance is enforced through the local authority so you might want to start there.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 10, 2015, 12:30:51 PM
@amazon If someone you know has a problem with steps, they may have a case for complaint under the 2004 Disability Discrimination Act where businesses and organisations are required to make reasonable physical adjustments to their premises to assist disabled users. The businesses and organisations affected include shops, banks, libraries, places of worship, restaurants, and schools. They may have to make changes like building ramps to replace stairs, widening door-ways, or having Braille signs or menus. Many big businesses have already made changes. For example, look at the Natwest in Marple.

As I understand it, compliance is enforced through the local authority so you might want to start there.
Look at the jewelers facing RBS ..
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on February 10, 2015, 12:51:39 PM
@amazon If someone you know has a problem with steps, they may have a case for complaint under the 2004 Disability Discrimination Act where businesses and organisations are required to make reasonable physical adjustments to their premises to assist disabled users. The businesses and organisations affected include shops, banks, libraries, places of worship, restaurants, and schools. They may have to make changes like building ramps to replace stairs, widening door-ways, or having Braille signs or menus. Many big businesses have already made changes. For example, look at the Natwest in Marple.

As I understand it, compliance is enforced through the local authority so you might want to start there.

The key word there is "reasonable". The DDA doesn't require changes, it requires reasonable changes. If the business owner can demonstrate that there is no reasonable adjustment they can make, then they don't have to make an adjustment. The cost/benefit of any such adjustment can be considered.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Howard on February 10, 2015, 01:03:56 PM
@marpleexile Understood. Hence my use of the phrase "may". Personally, I don't understand why a business wouldn't want to make their premises accessible.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: admin on February 10, 2015, 02:15:39 PM
I've been asked by someone who lives near the Co-Op to publicise this licence application posted by Asda recently:

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Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Bowden Guy on February 10, 2015, 02:16:17 PM
Howard, I don't believe local Councils have any role in the enforcement of the DDA. As this fact sheet from one of the London boroughs states " there is no enforcement or regulatory body". It is up to individuals or representative organisations to complain, sue etc.

http://www.rbkc.gov.uk/planningandconservation/applicationsanddecisions/idoc.ashx?docid=12cc7143-abb5-4192-bc56-ec7b08b90887&version=1
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on February 10, 2015, 02:17:27 PM
@marpleexile Understood. Hence my use of the phrase "may". Personally, I don't understand why a business wouldn't want to make their premises accessible.

Largely it is down to cost in most cases. If the adjustments are going to cost thousands rather than hundreds, and your margins are small and/or you don't think you are missing out on much business, then it's easy to see why some businesses would think it's not worth their effort/would be an unnecessary cost to the business.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: hollins on February 10, 2015, 03:09:10 PM
I've been asked by someone who lives near the Co-Op to publicise this licence application posted by Asda recently:

I'm not sure why this should cause anyone angst - the Co-op currently sells alcohol between 7am and 10pm: putting an extra hour at the start and end of the day in the license application is probably just to cover them if somebody with a faulty watch is opening or closing the store. Neither the Co-op nor ASDA will be able to open more than 6 hours on a Sunday.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Lily on February 10, 2015, 03:41:03 PM
Interesting reading on the Hazel Grove website!

http://www.civicr.com/a/hazel-grove/forum/do-we-really-need-more-of-the-same-t4313-p1.html
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: rsh on February 10, 2015, 03:54:52 PM
Looks like an "advertisement" planning app has gone in too - DC/057703? Nothing viewable online yet though, shows on the map but not listings.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 10, 2015, 04:20:35 PM
I remember Miss Marple bringing in her friend Sheila Oliver who made Miss Marple appear sane and grounded.

I don't think there is a contradiction, it was argued that Hibbert lane would kill the local shops as it would suck trade out of the centre. I think that is concurrent with the argument that this little period of being supermarket -free will prove the point.
It might do more harm when it's open than where it was planned to go.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Howard on February 10, 2015, 04:21:02 PM
I've been asked by someone who lives near the Co-Op to publicise this licence application posted by Asda recently:

Surely this is just Asda's licence replacing Co-op's license?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: admin on February 10, 2015, 04:40:23 PM
Surely this is just Asda's licence replacing Co-op's license?

Yes, that may be the case, although no idea how to check what the Co-Op's existing licence conditions are. I think they were concerned that the notice was a bit hidden away and wanted to ensure that people were aware. Also maybe the implication that Asda will be open from 6am until 11pm even on a Sunday selling alcohol was a bit of a concern too.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on February 10, 2015, 06:36:51 PM
Look at the jewelers facing RBS ..
I was just about to say that the step at that particular shop is the only one I have any difficulties with. I can't think of anywhere else there's a problem. The steps outside the shop next to the Bulls Head have hand rails.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 10, 2015, 08:34:05 PM
Yes, that may be the case, although no idea how to check what the Co-Op's existing licence conditions are. I think they were concerned that the notice was a bit hidden away and wanted to ensure that people were aware. Also maybe the implication that Asda will be open from 6am until 11pm even on a Sunday selling alcohol was a bit of a concern too.
What time does Bargain booze stay open to . I don't do marple at night .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: sgk on February 10, 2015, 08:48:36 PM
What time does Bargain booze stay open to . I don't do marple at night .
Open until 10pm every night.
http://www.bargainbooze.co.uk/storedetail/?id=57 (http://www.bargainbooze.co.uk/storedetail/?id=57)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 10, 2015, 09:16:07 PM
It might do more harm when it's open than where it was planned to go.

Not sure I can work out the logic with that argument.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Bowden Guy on February 10, 2015, 10:14:42 PM
Well, here's 2 suggestions why a new Asda on the Coop site might take more business from our independent retailers.

1. They might actually find a way of keeping the shelves stacked, which appeared to be beyond the capabilities of the Coop management.

2. Asda is much, much cheaper than the Coop (although not as good as Aldi) and people will soon notice this fact.

On the other hand, we could all trudge round the local shops, with our full, heavy carrier bags. In the rain.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: BennyBlue on February 11, 2015, 08:50:03 AM
I heard or maybe read on here that the former Co-op in Hazel Grove was converted to an ASDA practically overnight. Within this context, 8 weeks sounds like a very long time for the Marple conversion but perhaps it reflects just how much work is needed to modernise the store. After all, why would ASDA want to delay re-opening the store longer than necessary? If that is the case, and 8 weeks is needed, perhaps the question should be why have we had to put up with an under par supermarket for as long as we have?

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Victor M on February 11, 2015, 09:35:44 AM
I think that because it looks like 8 weeks that the store will be closed just shows how much redevelopment they are going to do internally. What will be interesting to see if with no supermarket does the number of people increase in the other shops or does it drive people away from Marple because they are doing their supermarket shop elsewhere.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 11, 2015, 03:06:19 PM
Not sure I can work out the logic with that argument.

I should have said it might take more trade of the smaller shops in marple were its going now than going on the ridge site .itwould have just  just been that further out .of marple ..
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: EmmyJane Designs on February 11, 2015, 05:56:17 PM
No body can predict what the future will hold for Marple's independent shops. However I feel very optimistic.

If you look at nearby villages such as Disley or New Mills they are managing very well. In New Mills there is a new bakery and green grocer and this is with the Co-op and small Sainsbury's. 
People think that supermarkets are cheaper, with the exception of Aldi I think with meal planning, it's cheaper to shop locally. Produce is fresher and of better quality.

As for lugging heavy shopping bags around, I personally take a rucksack. Or you could ask the local shop keeper to hang on your purchases until it's time to go home.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 11, 2015, 10:05:18 PM
I should have said it might take more trade of the smaller shops in marple were its going now than going on the ridge site .itwould have just  just been that further out .of marple ..

The Asda shop on the coop site is an easy walk to all the other shops and 'feels' part of the town centre given Archers and Hollins being so close and main shopping area is just a 30sec walk across the road. There is no doubt that people do buy the things from the coop that are available in the smaller shops but the coop site is close enough to complement the town centre, the hibbert la site would have detracted from the town centre.

Someone suggested that people will park at Hibbert La and walk down to the specialist shops having bought the bog-standard shopping from Hibbert La, personlly I think that gives people a bit too much credit, they simply will not bother to walk if they can help it.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Cyberman on February 12, 2015, 08:44:35 PM
Quote
I should have said it might take more trade of the smaller shops in marple were its going now than going on the ridge site .itwould have just  just been that further out .of marple ..
Some of us consider the ethical practices of supermarkets. Asda won't tempt them away from the local shops, or Sainsburys, Aldi or Morrisons. Asda comes bottom in Ethical Consumer's list. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/nic-compton/ethical-food-shopping_b_1661206.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/nic-compton/ethical-food-shopping_b_1661206.html)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on February 13, 2015, 08:50:04 AM
With all the revelations over the last few years, it is difficult to understand how the co-op organisation can now be considered ethical in any way.

The particular issue with the Marple supermarket in my view is very much connected to the poor service/high prices that the co-op has inflicted upon the people of Marple for many years. Had the co-op supermarket company s a whole been a little more ethical with its direct customers in the first place, then those customers may have supported it, instead of drifting away and allowing ASDA in.

The demise of the co-op supermarket has been a self inflicted blow caused by greed and lack of ethics. Which with a touch of irony their successor is now being accused of.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: mikes on February 13, 2015, 09:18:17 AM
Some of us consider the ethical practices of supermarkets. Asda won't tempt them away from the local shops, or Sainsburys, Aldi or Morrisons. Asda comes bottom in Ethical Consumer's list. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/nic-compton/ethical-food-shopping_b_1661206.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/nic-compton/ethical-food-shopping_b_1661206.html)

Unfortunately an article from July 2012 is not likely to be of much use in 2015.  But I too also morn the destruction of our farmers livelihoods and try to pay a fair price for milk etc. But it is getting more difficult.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 13, 2015, 12:14:30 PM
Unfortunately an article from July 2012 is not likely to be of much use in 2015.  But I too also morn the destruction of our farmers livelihoods and try to pay a fair price for milk etc. But it is getting more difficult.
Asda take over on the 20th February .tried this morning to do my normal shop in marple
Five items failed to obtain .and I did try .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: admin on February 13, 2015, 01:13:26 PM
Five items failed to obtain .and I did try .

What were the 5 items Amazon? just curious.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Howard on February 13, 2015, 01:21:09 PM
What were the 5 items Amazon? just curious.

My guess is:
Organic Peruvian Quinoa
A multi-pack of Chia seeds
Authentic Grissini from Turin
A dozen quail eggs
Two litres of Aqua Libre

Close?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Harry on February 13, 2015, 03:24:53 PM
The way they're reducing prices today they'll probably only have newspapers tomorrow.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 13, 2015, 03:36:03 PM
My guess is:
Organic Peruvian Quinoa
A multi-pack of Chia seeds
Authentic Grissini from Turin
A dozen quail eggs
Two litres of Aqua Libre

Close?
elmlee double single non at iceland and neils .alpen original .extra large eggs non at neils or wilsons small tins heinze beans and spageti non at iceland ,.your turn now .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: admin on February 13, 2015, 04:47:45 PM
Well love 'em or loath 'em, time is nearly up for Marple Co-Op: http://visitmarple.co.uk/photos/thumbnails.php?album=lastup&cat=0

From this:

(http://visitmarple.co.uk/photos/albums/uploads/new/misc/CoopopeningMarple.jpg)

To this in 102 years:

(http://visitmarple.co.uk/photos/albums/userpics/10002/lastdayformarpleco-op_006.jpg)

Thank you to Ruth Hargreaves for the present day images.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on February 13, 2015, 05:00:38 PM


(http://visitmarple.co.uk/photos/albums/userpics/10002/lastdayformarpleco-op_006.jpg)

Thank you to Ruth Hargreaves for the present day images.

Nice to see that it's business as usual right up until the end :-)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: EmmyJane Designs on February 13, 2015, 05:09:45 PM
There have been reports from some local traders that business has been brisk today  :)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Howard on February 13, 2015, 05:59:22 PM
It's not really goodbye. They still have a presence in Marple for the convenience store at the Junction of Church Lane and Stockport Road.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on February 13, 2015, 07:54:39 PM
Marple Co-op,

RIP.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 13, 2015, 08:18:41 PM
Marple Co-op,

RIP. 
roll on ASDA .time for a change .sorry for some of the staff some have gone retired .some won't come back to work there .we will see .it was originally closing for month but it needs  so much doing at it to bring up to required standard ..

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 13, 2015, 09:21:12 PM
There have been reports from some local traders that business has been brisk today  :)
Hope they managed to find what they wanted ,I didnt
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Michael Taylor on February 15, 2015, 06:23:01 PM

In the Marple Spring of 2011 when the community came together to oppose plans by Asda and the College to build a hideous new retail shed I expected it would be an opportunity to forge a new vision for the centre of Marple. Not so. Instead the interest by developers has evaporated and communications on plans for the Co-op site, the surrounding plots and even of Asda itself has been very poor.

Speaking to shop staff yesterday they are due to be transferred and retrained as Asda employees and the target date for a new store is the 30th of April. I hope they're going to be OK.

Speaking to shoppers as the shelves emptied they wonder what the whole of the centre will be like and what can be done to make it flow better.

I'll be honest, there was a great deal about the Co-op I didn't like - it was more expensive than most other supermarkets and the range was limited.

It's clear the Co-op brand has taken a battering and the slow death of the Marple store has been tied to larger corporate problems, but the local civic gain has been positive. Will Asda be as generous? So far their silence has been deafening, but then it's early days.

The Civic Society have been active citizens doing some excellent work. Our Labour Party street stalls and surveys have identified an appetite to contribute to something better locally. We're keen to progress this and would urge local people to put pressure on our councillors to work a lot harder for our community.
- See more at: http://themarpleleaf.blogspot.co.uk/#sthash.CXAWhTtG.dpuf
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 15, 2015, 06:35:56 PM
Hope they managed to find what they wanted ,I didnt

What were you looking for?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 15, 2015, 06:43:25 PM
In the Marple Spring of 2011 when the community came together to oppose plans by Asda and the College to build a hideous new retail shed I expected it would be an opportunity to forge a new vision for the centre of Marple. Not so. Instead the interest by developers has evaporated and communications on plans for the Co-op site, the surrounding plots and even of Asda itself has been very poor.

Speaking to shop staff yesterday they are due to be transferred and retrained as Asda employees and the target date for a new store is the 30th of April. I hope they're going to be OK.

Speaking to shoppers as the shelves emptied they wonder what the whole of the centre will be like and what can be done to make it flow better.

I'll be honest, there was a great deal about the Co-op I didn't like - it was more expensive than most other supermarkets and the range was limited.

It's clear the Co-op brand has taken a battering and the slow death of the Marple store has been tied to larger corporate problems, but the local civic gain has been positive. Will Asda be as generous? So far their silence has been deafening, but then it's early days.

The Civic Society have been active citizens doing some excellent work. Our Labour Party street stalls and surveys have identified an appetite to contribute to something better locally. We're keen to progress this and would urge local people to put pressure on our councillors to work a lot harder for our community.
- See more at: http://themarpleleaf.blogspot.co.uk/#sthash.CXAWhTtG.dpuf

Asda don;t have to be generous, they are not in the game to be generous. It is however, a great opportunity for the independent shops to make hay and prove their worth.

I really don't think  it's the place of local councillors or wannabe Mp's (sorry Michael, you know I don;t like the big state ideology of Liebour) to decide what shops are available in the town. If there are private investors / developers, no obstacles should be put in their way to come forward and develop the centre but in reality, there is not a lot wrong with the offer in Marple.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 15, 2015, 09:17:02 PM
What were you looking for?

Read the post over photo old coop marple bridge .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 16, 2015, 12:16:25 PM
Read the post over photo old coop marple bridge .

I must admit, I didn't know they still did Emlee, is Tip Top still available?
I'd have thought there were plenty muesli offerings if not exactly alpen branded original (it's full of sugar you know)
extra large eggs non at neils or wilsons - I think you may be nit picking, there are plenty eggs about if not extra large. The lady on Hibbert lane (opp vets) does them fresh out of her hen but the hen doesn't do size to order.
I must admit to being surprised at the lack of tins of beans and spaghetti it's years since I've bought them but is it just the particular brand you struggled with?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on February 16, 2015, 12:59:23 PM
In the Marple Spring of 2011 when the community came together to oppose plans by Asda and the College to build a hideous new retail shed I expected it would be an opportunity to forge a new vision for the centre of Marple. Not so. Instead the interest by developers has evaporated and communications on plans for the Co-op site, the surrounding plots and even of Asda itself has been very poor.

The organised opposition to Hibbert Lane was never about anything more than NIMBYism though. Through scaremongering and lies they managed to get enough people to believe that the Swimming Pool would close (and other such nonsense - also known a FUD - Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt), to scare the Councillors into manufacturing the Chadwick street fantasy, which put enough of a planning application road block in the way to cause Asda to give up.

It's therefore not surprising that once the Hibbert Lane project died, it all went very quiet. It was never about what was best for Marple, but what was best for various individuals.

Note I'm only talking about the organised opposition to Hibbert Lane. I know that there were a wide range of opinions on the subject, and that people objected to it for many reasons, many of them much more altruistic than the motives I perceived from the likes of MIA and the Councillors.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 16, 2015, 03:04:37 PM
The organised opposition to Hibbert Lane was never about anything more than NIMBYism though. Through scaremongering and lies they managed to get enough people to believe that the Swimming Pool would close (and other such nonsense - also known a FUD - Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt), to scare the Councillors into manufacturing the Chadwick street fantasy, which put enough of a planning application road block in the way to cause Asda to give up.

It's therefore not surprising that once the Hibbert Lane project died, it all went very quiet. It was never about what was best for Marple, but what was best for various individuals.

Note I'm only talking about the organised opposition to Hibbert Lane. I know that there were a wide range of opinions on the subject, and that people objected to it for many reasons, many of them much more altruistic than the motives I perceived from the likes of MIA and the Councillors.

I Suspect Hibbert Lane was shelved in spite of some of the actions of MIA. I did not want ASDA to open on Hibbert lane but found the rumour mill and lies that were coming out of certain activists (Sheila Oliver) hindered the legitimacy of the campaign.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 16, 2015, 03:52:57 PM
I Suspect Hibbert Lane was shelved in spite of some of the actions of MIA. I did not want ASDA to open on Hibbert lane but found the rumour mill and lies that were coming out of certain activists (Sheila Oliver) hindered the legitimacy of the campaign.
I did say some ware on this forum years ago that Asda would come to Marple .noticed today that the coop car park was full .will it be free now The new estate agent had there car there .as well .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 16, 2015, 03:55:42 PM
I Suspect Hibbert Lane was shelved in spite of some of the actions of MIA. I did not want ASDA to open on Hibbert lane but found the rumour mill and lies that were coming out of certain activists (Sheila Oliver) hindered the legitimacy of the campaign.
Allso the bucher the baker .and a few others on the photo with the banner .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on February 17, 2015, 09:56:21 AM
There can't be anything to say about the Marple Supermarket issue that hasn't been said ten times over to the point of tedium. With that in mind, I may as well repeat my wearisome view.

NIMBY'S didn't really feature in this. Anybody who believes that, has no grasp of what was happening at the time. The NO campaigners had a legitimate claim about the supermarket being out of town and having an adverse effect on town centre businesses. This was a held view by many thousands in Marple. As a consequence the Councillors did what they are supposed to do and supported their voters. Or at least the one's that were making their views known.

On this occasion the Councillors actually looked through all the histrionics and devised a plan, It was devious, and there probably will never will be a supermarket on Chadwick Street.

Well who has ever heard of that, devious politicians, what next?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 17, 2015, 11:05:08 AM
Allso the bucher the baker .and a few others on the photo with the banner .

There are plenty who were against the plan and all with good reason. I'm suggesting the fibs and massive exaggerations came from just one or two sources and this did not help the message.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on February 17, 2015, 05:10:47 PM
There can't be anything to say about the Marple Supermarket issue that hasn't been said ten times over to the point of tedium. With that in mind, I may as well repeat my wearisome view.

NIMBY'S didn't really feature in this. Anybody who believes that, has no grasp of what was happening at the time. The NO campaigners had a legitimate claim about the supermarket being out of town and having an adverse effect on town centre businesses. This was a held view by many thousands in Marple. As a consequence the Councillors did what they are supposed to do and supported their voters. Or at least the one's that were making their views known.

On this occasion the Councillors actually looked through all the histrionics and devised a plan, It was devious, and there probably will never will be a supermarket on Chadwick Street.

Well who has ever heard of that, devious politicians, what next?
I never thought I'd agree with you on anything, Simonesaffron, but good for you!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: admin on February 18, 2015, 07:53:29 AM
For posterity, here's a photo from Arthur of the Co-Op in better days for comparison with Ruth's:

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Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: hollins on February 18, 2015, 10:08:21 AM
For posterity, here's a photo from Arthur of the Co-Op in better days for comparison with Ruth's:

The usual number of customers then!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 19, 2015, 11:15:51 AM
Looks like work has begun.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: admin on February 19, 2015, 11:18:06 AM
Looks like work has begun.
Scrap man thought it was his birthday yesterday - saw Co-Op trollies piled high on his van in the car park.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 20, 2015, 08:19:21 AM
Scrap man thought it was his birthday yesterday - saw Co-Op trollies piled high on his van in the car park.

They'll have anything that's not tide down, although the trollies were tied down.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: EmmyJane Designs on February 20, 2015, 03:21:31 PM
I seem to remember (useless info) that supermarket trolly's are about £100ish each to make. Surely asda would be better recycling them?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Lily on February 20, 2015, 03:44:15 PM
Or transferring the trolleys to one of the few Co-ops that are still open would have been a better idea.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on February 20, 2015, 03:53:23 PM
I seem to remember (useless info) that supermarket trolly's are about £100ish each to make. Surely asda would be better recycling them?

When they took over the Netto, the trollies simply got a new laminate on the handle and coloured trim.

I'm sure Asda aren't aware their trollies are no longer locked up outside the store
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 20, 2015, 04:44:52 PM
I seem to remember (useless info) that supermarket trolly's are about £100ish each to make. Surely asda would be better recycling them?
 
If they take over whats left gets dumped same with freezers if they are still there .coop had a week to clear .Asdas take over was the 20 this month they start new
 thats how it goes /that what hapened Hazel grove /
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: jethroh65 on February 21, 2015, 01:19:03 PM
Could anybody actually afford to fill a Trolley at the Co-op ?  ;D
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: admin on February 21, 2015, 04:11:02 PM
Asda is launching a free temporary bus service to Asda Hazel Grove.

While they get the new store ready they are offering customers a temporary free bus service to the closest alternative Asda store at Hazel Grove.

The service will run from The Navigation, Marple to Asda Hazel Grove every Wednesday and Friday whilst the Marple store is closed.

Timetable
Service runs Wednesday and Friday (excluding Bank Holidays)

Marple – Asda Hazel Grove
Marple, The Navigation: 09.45 10.45 11.45 12.45 13.45
Hazel Grove, Asda: 10.00 11.00 12.00 13.00 14.00

Asda Hazel Grove – Marple
Hazel Grove, Asda: 10.15 11.15 12.15 13.15 14.15
Marple, The Navigation 10.30 11.30 12.30 13.30 14.30
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 21, 2015, 07:58:19 PM
Asda is launching a free temporary bus service to Asda Hazel Grove.

While they get the new store ready they are offering customers a temporary free bus service to the closest alternative Asda store at Hazel Grove.

The service will run from The Navigation, Marple to Asda Hazel Grove every Wednesday and Friday whilst the Marple store is closed.

Timetable
Service runs Wednesday and Friday (excluding Bank Holidays)

Marple – Asda Hazel Grove
Marple, The Navigation: 09.45 10.45 11.45 12.45 13.45
Hazel Grove, Asda: 10.00 11.00 12.00 13.00 14.00

Asda Hazel Grove – Marple
Hazel Grove, Asda: 10.15 11.15 12.15 13.15 14.15
Marple, The Navigation 10.30 11.30 12.30 13.30 14.30
cant see the point of this the 394 glossop stepping hill runs every hour drops right outside .ASDA hazel grove .penny just dropped it's free .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Blossom on February 21, 2015, 09:24:39 PM
Very good business sense on Asda's part.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: mikes on February 22, 2015, 11:44:35 AM
What a great idea.  Then you can go to M&S and do the shopping in a decent supermarket.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marplerambler on February 22, 2015, 05:43:45 PM
cant see the point of this the 394 glossop stepping hill runs every hour drops right outside .ASDA hazel grove .penny just dropped it's free .
Is the free bus going to go via High Lane or via Dan Bank and more importantly is it going to pick up and set down at bus stops en-route?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Mr Marple on February 22, 2015, 08:54:28 PM
Haven't had the time to look around for information on the Asda opening. Can anyone shed some light?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on February 22, 2015, 09:09:32 PM
Haven't had the time to look around for information on the Asda opening. Can anyone shed some light?
. Eight weeks from the 20th of this month. Just scroll through the postings on this subject 
There's plenty of them .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: kerry452 on March 05, 2015, 08:23:32 PM
Is the free bus going to go via High Lane or via Dan Bank and more importantly is it going to pick up and set down at bus stops en-route?

Would like to know this also, havent seen any info on this bus except posts on here.
Thanks
-k-
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on March 05, 2015, 09:30:12 PM
Would like to know this also, havent seen any info on this bus except posts on here.
Thanks
-k-
Look on there website it runs wed friday quarter two the hour /admin posted it on this website .goes straight there .its free

theres allso a poster outside Asda on the temp railings telling you about it .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on March 05, 2015, 11:18:08 PM
I can't imagine it would provide a stopping service its there to take people to their store, people who would normally have got to the Co-op.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marplerambler on March 08, 2015, 10:53:15 PM
If I do my shopping at ASDA Hazel Grove do I have to carry the shopping from Marple centre all the way back to either Marple College if the bus is going via Hawk Green or from Rose Hill station if the bus is going via Dan Bank and then walk from the bus stop. You would never believe it but some people have to catch a bus back from the shops if they are really loaded up and then carry their shopping from the bus stop!

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: BennyBlue on March 09, 2015, 08:06:07 AM
What ASDA should have done is offer free delivery on internet shopping to Marple postcodes until the new store opens. A free bus to the Hazel Grove store sounds like a complete faff.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on March 09, 2015, 01:54:48 PM
If I do my shopping at ASDA Hazel Grove do I have to carry the shopping from Marple centre all the way back to either Marple College if the bus is going via Hawk Green or from Rose Hill station if the bus is going via Dan Bank and then walk from the bus stop. You would never believe it but some people have to catch a bus back from the shops if they are really loaded up and then carry their shopping from the bus stop!
If your a pensioner you can use the 394 for free any day that goes your way you don't have to use Asdas bus .if you want the times just ask will post on here .dont see what the problem is .theres plenty of other alternatives using public transport .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on March 13, 2015, 11:31:22 AM
I was shopping in Marple yesterday and asked one independent shopkeeper whether the closure of the Co-op had affected trade in the village and she said that her shop had been busier than when the Co-op was open. Obviously, one swallow does not a summer make but it would be good if all the shops in the village were to benefit as this one is.

It looks as though Merpuddlians are learning and hopefully will remain loyal to the small shops that they are discovering thanks to the "inconvenience" of the absence of the Co-op.


Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on March 13, 2015, 04:44:16 PM
I was shopping in Marple yesterday and asked one independent shopkeeper whether the closure of the Co-op had affected trade in the village and she said that her shop had been busier than when the Co-op was open. Obviously, one swallow does not a summer make but it would be good if all the shops in the village were to benefit as this one is.

It looks as though Merpuddlians are learning and hopefully will remain loyal to the small shops that they are discovering thanks to the "inconvenience" of the absence of the Co-op.
Good but you can't buy everything you want in marple I've tried .one regulare customer of the coop now goes to waitrose and has it delivered .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on March 15, 2015, 08:05:23 PM
Good but you can't buy everything you want in marple I've tried .one regulare customer of the coop now goes to waitrose and has it delivered .
Maybe, but you can buy everything you NEED in Marple - at least, I can and have done during the last few weeks - but then I have done anyway since I came back to live in Marple several years ago.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Bowden Guy on March 16, 2015, 09:17:41 AM
Trouble is, one person's "want" is another person's "need". A bit like owning a horse, I would suppose?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on March 16, 2015, 10:26:42 AM
Trouble is, one person's "want" is another person's "need". A bit like owning a horse, I would suppose?
Well, I shop for my horse in Marple, too. Goyt Mill stocks everything Horse and I "need" at very reasonable prices.




Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on March 16, 2015, 11:03:16 AM
Well I expect you will be able to get even more when ASDA open their "village" store
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on March 16, 2015, 02:44:58 PM
Maybe, but you can buy everything you NEED in Marple - at least, I can and have done during the last few weeks - but then I have done anyway since I came back to live in Marple several years ago.
Sorry but you cant buy everything you Need in marple ive tried.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Razzle24 on March 16, 2015, 04:58:14 PM
You cannot buy everything you need in Marple, especially when you work and all the shops are closed ! ???
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on March 16, 2015, 05:28:32 PM
Agreed Razzle many many local traders are just not willing to serve their local market and then complain when local people are unable to support them. Perhaps Claudo should run classes to Marple traders about how to provide good European customer service
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on March 16, 2015, 08:07:23 PM
You cannot buy everything you need in Marple, especially when you work and all the shops are closed ! ???
Even when they are open
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on March 16, 2015, 08:16:30 PM
Amazon your confused because you think Marple traders are here to servce the public when in fact they think its the other way round.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: rsh on March 16, 2015, 09:13:16 PM
Asda signage application: http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/getimage.asp?DocumentNumber=233242

No radical change whatsoever, especially with both using a bright green brand.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on March 16, 2015, 09:18:43 PM
Gosh, how DID we cope in the days when no shops were open 24 hours a day, local MUDC byelaws prevented certain businesses from trading on Mondays and there was universal obligatory half day closing? It's a wonder we didn't starve to death or have to go barefoot and in rags for want of shop keepers prepared to work all hours god sent in case someone needed a loaf of bread or a pair of socks in the middle of the night.

What happened to your ability to organise your life? Working women have done it for eons. We shop in our lunch hour or on Saturdays or whenever our day off falls. I'm sick to the back teeth of this constant whining because everyone is out of step except you. Get a life and accept the shopkeepers' need for one too.

If some of you are as rude in local shops as you are in your criticism of them on here, I'm not surprised that you don't get good service. 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Bowden Guy on March 16, 2015, 10:12:57 PM
Hope you feel better for that rant....
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on March 16, 2015, 10:20:10 PM
Henrietta,

I too remember the times  to which you refer, well at leaset my memory goes back to the early 50s and they were dreadful times so don't portray the service we got then as some sort of golden era. I and others are very happy that some Marple traders want to stay in those times just don't expect me to use then and spend my money there when they can be bothered to open.  I will move into the 21st century  and buy my socks when I want them not when traders lingering after a bygone age think I should.

On line shopping will ultimately force these traders to compete in other ways or wither away.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: hollins on March 16, 2015, 10:35:45 PM
Asda signage application: http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/getimage.asp?DocumentNumber=233242

No radical change whatsoever, especially with both using a bright green brand.

The large sign seems to suggest opening hours 8am - 10pm: slightly shorter than the Co-op.
It also seems to imply that the other small outlets in the building - including the Co-op Travel - will be staying there.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on March 17, 2015, 04:47:24 PM
Amazon your confused because you think Marple traders are here to servce the public when in fact they think its the other way round.
Beginning to agree with you on that .supose when Asda opens and trade goes down a little we will hear that trades not very good .neils well stocked up today Iceland very busy but you can't buy everything you need there .wilsons ok .butchers don't use in marple I will not say why .
Archers ok making the most of it .
Only a few weeks to go .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on March 25, 2015, 12:02:05 AM
The large sign seems to suggest opening hours 8am - 10pm: slightly shorter than the Co-op.
It also seems to imply that the other small outlets in the building - including the Co-op Travel - will be staying there.

I think you may want to read that carefully, opening Monday at 8 am closing Saturday at 10pm,  quite a difference

The red "welcome to Asda Marple, open 24 hours"
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: hollins on March 25, 2015, 09:50:02 AM
I think you may want to read that carefully, opening Monday at 8 am closing Saturday at 10pm,  quite a difference

The red "welcome to Asda Marple, open 24 hours"

Ah, you are right! I missed it.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on March 25, 2015, 11:25:10 AM
Beginning to agree with you on that .supose when Asda opens and trade goes down a little we will hear that trades not very good .neils well stocked up today Iceland very busy but you can't buy everything you need there .wilsons ok .butchers don't use in marple I will not say why .
Archers ok making the most of it .
Only a few weeks to go .

If you can shop in the 'normal' shopping hours, Marple is a very good place to pick up everything - certainly the quality is far higher than any supermarket.

I'm afraid that for sheer laziness, the supermarkets have the edge if, like me, you don't get home until 8pm, I can;t really expect Archers to open on the off chance I fancy a loaf.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on March 25, 2015, 12:39:06 PM
Shocking as it might be to some I agree Duke I don't expect small local traders to be open when normal people get home from work at say 8pm as do you and I. However nor doI expect them to be closing at 5.30 just as the great mass of people are getting home nor do I expect people like Archers to be almost out of stock by 3pm.

As for the quality being better locally I think we will just differ there as I just don't find that to be the case generally. Not that I think that is an issue specific to Marple most local shops in most communities provide a lower quality of product.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on March 25, 2015, 12:43:19 PM
If you can shop in the 'normal' shopping hours, Marple is a very good place to pick up everything - certainly the quality is far higher than any supermarket.

I'm afraid that for sheer laziness, the supermarkets have the edge if, like me, you don't get home until 8pm, I can;t really expect Archers to open on the off chance I fancy a loaf.

I suspect that over time (ie 10-15 years) "normal" shopping hours will gradually become something like 10am-8pm, or even 12pm-10pm, as our retailers catch up with how the rest of society operates.

Gosh, how DID we cope in the days when no shops were open 24 hours a day, local MUDC byelaws prevented certain businesses from trading on Mondays and there was universal obligatory half day closing? It's a wonder we didn't starve to death or have to go barefoot and in rags for want of shop keepers prepared to work all hours god sent in case someone needed a loaf of bread or a pair of socks in the middle of the night.

What happened to your ability to organise your life? Working women have done it for eons. We shop in our lunch hour or on Saturdays or whenever our day off falls. I'm sick to the back teeth of this constant whining because everyone is out of step except you. Get a life and accept the shopkeepers' need for one too.

We coped because generally only one parent worked full time, the other parent either didn't work, or worked part time. Until not that long ago (relatively speaking) it was quite rare for both parents to be working full time. And single parent families (which were also rarer "back then") often lived with extended family, of which not all the adults would be working full time.

Society has changed massively - for better or worse, take your pick, but it has changed - and some people (and businesses) are still struggling to realise this.

However nor doI expect them to be closing at 5.30 just as the great mass of people are getting home nor do I expect people like Archers to be almost out of stock by 3pm.

Marple retailers have had it easier than many, because the aging population has shielded them from this change to a degree, but as they start moving on, and get replaced by younger families, they'll have to adapt or die.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on March 25, 2015, 12:51:57 PM
Good post exile
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dizzy Penguin on March 25, 2015, 01:43:35 PM
I think you may want to read that carefully, opening Monday at 8 am closing Saturday at 10pm,  quite a difference

The red "welcome to Asda Marple, open 24 hours"

So will the asda not be open at all on a Sunday then? Or will it be open but just a non-24hr day, such as 10:00 - 16:00 ? and then resuming it's 24hr opening times from Monday morning.

I can't see them not opening at all on a Sunday ... surely they should be open on both weekend days.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: admin on March 25, 2015, 01:47:12 PM
So will the asda not be open at all on a Sunday then? Or will it be open but just a non-24hr day, such as 10:00 - 16:00 ? and then resuming it's 24hr opening times from Monday morning.

I can't see them not opening at all on a Sunday ... surely they should be open on both weekend days.

The signs in the planning application drawings say 10am to 4pm on a Sunday.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Barbara on March 25, 2015, 02:03:44 PM
There was a large red notice at the top of the steps leading down into the car park (just behind Costa) yesterday.  It definitely said 10 till 4 on Sunday, and I think it gave 7 am till 11pm on the other days.  So it is very long hours. 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: admin on March 25, 2015, 02:23:44 PM
There was a large red notice at the top of the steps leading down into the car park (just behind Costa) yesterday.  It definitely said 10 till 4 on Sunday, and I think it gave 7 am till 11pm on the other days.  So it is very long hours.

That will be the sign they've installed before their planning application is approved then!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: hollins on March 25, 2015, 04:52:18 PM
There seems to be a later version of the signage application at
http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/getimage.asp?DocumentNumber=235176 (http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/getimage.asp?DocumentNumber=235176)

This one is suggesting 7am - 11pm on Monday to Saturday and 10-4 on Sundays (which seems to be more in line with other ASDA stores locally).

The only thing which is 24-hour is the cash machine.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on March 25, 2015, 11:12:03 PM
There seems to be a later version of the signage application at
http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/getimage.asp?DocumentNumber=235176 (http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/getimage.asp?DocumentNumber=235176)

This one is suggesting 7am - 11pm on Monday to Saturday and 10-4 on Sundays (which seems to be more in line with other ASDA stores locally).

The only thing which is 24-hour is the cash machine.

The main sign has changed but the others still say 24hrs Mon - Sat
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on March 25, 2015, 11:37:22 PM
I suspect that over time (ie 10-15 years) "normal" shopping hours will gradually become something like 10am-8pm, or even 12pm-10pm, as our retailers catch up with how the rest of society operates.

We coped because generally only one parent worked full time, the other parent either didn't work, or worked part time. Until not that long ago (relatively speaking) it was quite rare for both parents to be working full time. And single parent families (which were also rarer "back then") often lived with extended family, of which not all the adults would be working full time.

Society has changed massively - for better or worse, take your pick, but it has changed - and some people (and businesses) are still struggling to realise this.

Marple retailers have had it easier than many, because the aging population has shielded them from this change to a degree, but as they start moving on, and get replaced by younger families, they'll have to adapt or die.

Take a bakery like Archers, they have to open early as bakers are expected to knock out the morning goods for breakfast and in the morning (hence the name).  Extend their hours to close at 10pm, the bakers will be starting at 6a.m. with 2 bakers and at least 2 counter staff with the bakers knocking off at 8 pm they they'll be needing to pay for 60 hours work in a day then at min wage incl NI (before Michael Taylor's lot put NI up even higher) it will cost £470 a day just to staff it and assuming a 'normal' margin and forgetting waste, heating & other overheads, they will need to take £1,155 a day to pay the wages alone so around for a bakery, perhaps 1,000 loaves every day. It simply is too expensive to run those hours as I just can't see Marple being able to sustain a competitive retail offering over the hours you expect UNLESS the govt relaxes it's NMW and employment taxation.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: rsh on March 26, 2015, 12:35:13 AM
The main sign has changed but the others still say 24hrs Mon - Sat

Where it said 24hrs there was also "store specific" text overlaid, which I'd take to mean this is a standard graphic they use in every planning app and not specific to Marple's hours.

Funny they submitted the app only to update it now the Asda logo comes with an awkward yellow Walmart emblem. I wonder if that sign apparently installed is the new version or will be replaced already...
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on March 26, 2015, 08:49:49 AM
Take a bakery like Archers, they have to open early as bakers are expected to knock out the morning goods for breakfast and in the morning (hence the name).  Extend their hours to close at 10pm, the bakers will be starting at 6a.m. with 2 bakers and at least 2 counter staff with the bakers knocking off at 8 pm they they'll be needing to pay for 60 hours work in a day then at min wage incl NI (before Michael Taylor's lot put NI up even higher) it will cost £470 a day just to staff it and assuming a 'normal' margin and forgetting waste, heating & other overheads, they will need to take £1,155 a day to pay the wages alone so around for a bakery, perhaps 1,000 loaves every day. It simply is too expensive to run those hours as I just can't see Marple being able to sustain a competitive retail offering over the hours you expect UNLESS the govt relaxes it's NMW and employment taxation.

You did actually read my post didn't you?

I wasn't suggesting that the local retailers would extended their hours, I was suggesting that over time they would move their hours from the 8/9 to 5/6 they currently operate to something more like 10-8 or 12-10. So no, I'm not suggesting that the bakers would still come in a 6am if they're opening until 10pm. If the closing time moved back 4 or 5 hrs, then I would have thought that the staff would start work 4 or 5 hrs later as well.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on March 26, 2015, 09:41:51 AM
You did actually read my post didn't you?

I wasn't suggesting that the local retailers would extended their hours, I was suggesting that over time they would move their hours from the 8/9 to 5/6 they currently operate to something more like 10-8 or 12-10. So no, I'm not suggesting that the bakers would still come in a 6am if they're opening until 10pm. If the closing time moved back 4 or 5 hrs, then I would have thought that the staff would start work 4 or 5 hrs later as well.

I gave the example of Archers for that reason, as a good quality bakery the punter expects to buy a fresh loaf, croissant etc first thing in the morning. I don't have a great knowledge of bakery retailing but my observation is that they tend to be pretty busy in the morning and less so later on. Now for the likes of me, I will not have time (or the inclination)  to go shopping at 7a.m. but it simply is not financially viable for them to be open the hours to suit me.

So, as a punter, I'd have to accept that the price I pay for convenience will be an acceptable but sub-standard product from the supermarkets.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on March 26, 2015, 11:00:08 AM
I gave the example of Archers for that reason, as a good quality bakery the punter expects to buy a fresh loaf, croissant etc first thing in the morning.

Ahh, we're at cross purposes then. My contention is that over time, the retirees that currently make up the bulk of their morning/daytime trade, will literally start to die out over the next 10 or so years, being replaced by either younger families, or new retirees, who's lifestyle and habits will probably be substantially different

I don't have a great knowledge of bakery retailing but my observation is that they tend to be pretty busy in the morning and less so later on. Now for the likes of me, I will not have time (or the inclination)  to go shopping at 7a.m. but it simply is not financially viable for them to be open the hours to suit me.

It's a bit of chicken and egg there with Archers though. Everyone knows that they sell out by about 2.30/3pm, so everyone knows that if you want bread from Archers, you have to get in early - thus a self-fore-filling situation.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on March 26, 2015, 11:04:36 AM
Take a bakery like Archers, they have to open early as bakers are expected to knock out the morning goods for breakfast and in the morning (hence the name).  Extend their hours to close at 10pm, the bakers will be starting at 6a.m. with 2 bakers and at least 2 counter staff with the bakers knocking off at 8 pm they they'll be needing to pay for 60 hours work in a day then at min wage incl NI (before Michael Taylor's lot put NI up even higher) it will cost £470 a day just to staff it and assuming a 'normal' margin and forgetting waste, heating & other overheads, they will need to take £1,155 a day to pay the wages alone so around for a bakery, perhaps 1,000 loaves every day. It simply is too expensive to run those hours as I just can't see Marple being able to sustain a competitive retail offering over the hours you expect UNLESS the govt relaxes it's NMW and employment taxation.

Claudio seems to manage to do all that on his own and produce a better product and customer service.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on March 26, 2015, 11:54:54 AM
Take a bakery like Archers, they have to open early as bakers are expected to knock out the morning goods for breakfast and in the morning (hence the name).  Extend their hours to close at 10pm, the bakers will be starting at 6a.m. with 2 bakers and at least 2 counter staff with the bakers knocking off at 8 pm they they'll be needing to pay for 60 hours work in a day then at min wage incl NI (before Michael Taylor's lot put NI up even higher) it will cost £470 a day just to staff it and assuming a 'normal' margin and forgetting waste, heating & other overheads, they will need to take £1,155 a day to pay the wages alone so around for a bakery, perhaps 1,000 loaves every day. It simply is too expensive to run those hours as I just can't see Marple being able to sustain a competitive retail offering over the hours you expect UNLESS the govt relaxes it's NMW and employment taxation.
They don't open till 9.30 and are closed Monday's .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Razzle24 on March 26, 2015, 12:44:00 PM
and sold out by 12pm!!!!!!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on March 26, 2015, 06:42:37 PM
Claudio seems to manage to do all that on his own and produce a better product and customer service.

It's not really the point Wheels, Claudio may well do it all alone but it will limit him and you are still demanding he is available from 8am-11pm and he must prepare from 6a.m. For a lot less effort and the same pay, he can work for the local authority so say he will need more compensation than a local authority council clerk so let's say £40,000 p.a. so given a working year of 47 weeks he needs to pay fixed costs so needs to take around £650 a day - average price of bread say £1.50 that's 430 punters a day all served by one guy.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on March 26, 2015, 06:45:11 PM
They don't open till 9.30 and are closed Monday's .

Not really the point Amazon, people like me are demanding the service right through to 11pm. I'm saying that it's very difficult for Archers or anyone else to provide the quality at all hours.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on March 26, 2015, 11:48:34 PM
It's not really the point Wheels, Claudio may well do it all alone but it will limit him and you are still demanding he is available from 8am-11pm and he must prepare from 6a.m. For a lot less effort and the same pay, he can work for the local authority so say he will need more compensation than a local authority council clerk so let's say £40,000 p.a. so given a working year of 47 weeks he needs to pay fixed costs so needs to take around £650 a day - average price of bread say £1.50 that's 430 punters a day all served by one guy.

Duke the Leader of the Council doesn't  get £40,000 never mind the staff and generally she does about 9am to 9pm. Where do you get these ideas from.  Its publicly available information check it.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on March 27, 2015, 07:57:34 AM
Duke the Leader of the Council doesn't  get £40,000 never mind the staff and generally she does about 9am to 9pm. Where do you get these ideas from.  Its publicly available information check it.
I should hope not, I'm saying that Claudio will need a larger reward for his efforts than a mere town clerk so picked a figure of £40k on the basis that he is going to have to work ridiculous hours if he is to match the supermarket's convenience and supply the quality he currently achieves.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: sgk on March 27, 2015, 11:27:47 AM
I should hope not, I'm saying that Claudio will need a larger reward for his efforts than a mere town clerk so picked a figure of £40k on the basis that he is going to have to work ridiculous hours if he is to match the supermarket's convenience and supply the quality he currently achieves.

Duke - this page on the Stockport Council website has some pay grade info, if you're interested.  It's a bit out of date, reflects 2012 salaries, so they only go up to £170,051. (plus expenses)
http://www.stockport.gov.uk/atozindex/payandgrades (http://www.stockport.gov.uk/atozindex/payandgrades)
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on March 27, 2015, 12:25:52 PM
Duke - this page on the Stockport Council website has some pay grade info, if you're interested.  It's a bit out of date, reflects 2012 salaries, so they only go up to £170,051. (plus expenses)
http://www.stockport.gov.uk/atozindex/payandgrades (http://www.stockport.gov.uk/atozindex/payandgrades)

I suppose they have made Stockport into a thriving business centre over the years so they are worth every penny!   :-X

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on March 27, 2015, 12:49:28 PM
I should hope not, I'm saying that Claudio will need a larger reward for his efforts than a mere town clerk so picked a figure of £40k on the basis that he is going to have to work ridiculous hours if he is to match the supermarket's convenience and supply the quality he currently achieves.


I see he has started to open on a Monday now further evidence of his willingness to respond to customer demand while Archers keep to the same hours they had in the 60s
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on March 27, 2015, 01:58:06 PM
Not really the point Amazon, people like me are demanding the service right through to 11pm. I'm saying that it's very difficult for Archers or anyone else to provide the quality at all hours.
So you're saying the butchers bakers boots mand co And all the others should be open and empty till
11 pm ...
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on March 27, 2015, 02:10:27 PM
Where it said 24hrs there was also "store specific" text overlaid, which I'd take to mean this is a standard graphic they use in every planning app and not specific to Marple's hours.

Funny they submitted the app only to update it now the Asda logo comes with an awkward yellow Walmart emblem. I wonder if that sign apparently installed is the new version or will be replaced already...
New signs going up at Asda today so they must have had permission ......
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on March 27, 2015, 04:07:42 PM

I see he has started to open on a Monday now further evidence of his willingness to respond to customer demand while Archers keep to the same hours they had in the 60s


It's not really an argument of Claudio's V Archers, both produce some excellent product. It's simply that neither of these very good bakers can provide the 'around the clock' opening hours that the modern high flyer in Marple may require and for us, it's a compromise of sometimes have to accept the lesser quality produce of the supermarkets for the convenience of their opening hours.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: admin on March 27, 2015, 04:11:19 PM
New signs going up at Asda today so they must have had permission ......

Their planning application is not approved, it is still in the consolation period:

http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData/AcolNetCGI.gov?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=123476

They have probably taken a flyer on it because they are in a rush and didn't submit the plans early enough.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on March 27, 2015, 04:12:51 PM
So you're saying the butchers bakers boots mand co And all the others should be open and empty till
11 pm ...

No, on the contrary, I'm saying that although the independent shops will almost always offer a far better product, the indy's cannot afford to provide the 'around the clock' opening hours of the supermarkets. So although working trends for the bright modern high flyer to work longer hours that keep us out of Marple during traditional shop hours, for us, it's a compromise to accept the lesser quality produce of the supermarkets for the convenience of their opening hours.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on March 27, 2015, 04:13:47 PM
Duke the Leader of the Council doesn't  get £40,000 never mind the staff and generally she does about 9am to 9pm. Where do you get these ideas from.  Its publicly available information check it.


No Wheels, the Leader of the Council doesn't get £40,000 but there's plenty of Officers that do. The money that gets taken out of the Council doesn't go to the elected members, their wage (for want of a better word) is comparatively unsubstantial. The officers on the other hand, that's a different story.

How much does the chief exec get paid and other senior managers? 
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on March 27, 2015, 04:14:47 PM
Their planning application is not approved, it is still in the consolation period:

http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData/AcolNetCGI.gov?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=123476

They have probably taken a flyer on it because they are in a rush and didn't submit the plans early enough.

It's just planning permission because of the size of the signage. THe actual opening hours  must be down to the store to decide, I'd not want the council to have a say in that.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: admin on March 27, 2015, 04:30:00 PM
It's just planning permission because of the size of the signage. The actual opening hours  must be down to the store to decide, I'd not want the council to have a say in that.

Opening hours are a separate issue but I would imagine that the council would and should have a say in those. Certainly Local Councillors should as they ought to represent the interests of local residents. The planning application is to put new signs up and the simple fact is that they don't have permission to do that, whatever the opening hours are.

One might expect it to go through on the nod where they are replacing one brand with another but it is not as simple as that as they are putting new signs were there weren't any before.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Belly on March 27, 2015, 09:51:17 PM
It's just planning permission because of the size of the signage. THe actual opening hours  must be down to the store to decide, I'd not want the council to have a say in that.

Of course the council can determine the extent of opening hours. Planning has to be mindful of knock on effects of the operation of development such as noise, lighting, traffic, etc at unsoicable hours. Which in the case of the Marple store with residential properties immediately adjacent / opposite is highly relevant. I would guess that these properties are a reason that we won't see 24hr operation at the Marple store.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on March 28, 2015, 12:31:58 PM
Opening hours are a separate issue but I would imagine that the council would and should have a say in those. Certainly Local Councillors should as they ought to represent the interests of local residents.

Not sure I can agree with you there.

Are you saying that Asda, one of the most sophisticated retailers in the world. A retailer that has the highest technology available to analyse the shopping habits, needs and wants of the public should somehow be trumped by the whims of a council clerk who's only understanding of retail is on his numerous holidays, time off and days on strike?

I have to say, I'd put my money on the retail giant.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: admin on March 28, 2015, 01:26:50 PM
Not sure I can agree with you there.

Are you saying that Asda, one of the most sophisticated retailers in the world. A retailer that has the highest technology available to analyse the shopping habits, needs and wants of the public should somehow be trumped by the whims of a council clerk who's only understanding of retail is on his numerous holidays, time off and days on strike?

I have to say, I'd put my money on the retail giant.

If you agreed with me I'd think something was wrong Duke. No, I'm not saying that the decision should be made by a council clerk on a whim at all. I'm saying that the council and local councillors are there to ensure that the local community and the people who live around the store are not ridden over rough-shod, otherwise your most sophisticated retailer in the world would do whatever it liked to maximise its profit without anyone else's needs being taken into consideration.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on March 28, 2015, 01:38:58 PM
Their planning application is not approved, it is still in the consolation period:

http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData/AcolNetCGI.gov?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=123476

They have probably taken a flyer on it because they are in a rush and didn't submit the plans early enough.
The sign at the top of the steps saying eight till eleven has gone this morning .no more signs gone up since yesterday ,
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: admin on March 28, 2015, 01:48:55 PM
The sign at the top of the steps saying eight till eleven has gone this morning .no more signs gone up since yesterday ,

The sign was removed and defaced by vandals last night and it is currently in the park. I told the contractors who were in the Asda car park this morning where it was and they said that they would report it.

I think it was probably done by the the same people who defaced our WWI display, which I will post about separately.

The Friends of the Park have objected to the sign in that location and would encourage anyone who likes the park entrance as it is to do so too. However, we do not condone its removal by others. We prefer to use the planning process to persuade Asda that it is intrusive and unnecessary and would like them to remove it themselves. Or as the situation is now, not to refit it.

They certainly should not have installed it before the planning application is approved because they are not replacing an existing Co-Op sign in this location.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: rsh on March 30, 2015, 12:45:40 PM
Poster at Romiley station confirms Asda Marple opens Monday 13th April at 10am.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on March 30, 2015, 01:20:07 PM
The sign was removed and defaced by vandals last night and it is currently in the park. I told the contractors who were in the Asda car park this morning where it was and they said that they would report it.

I think it was probably done by the the same people who defaced our WWI display, which I will post about separately.

The Friends of the Park have objected to the sign in that location and would encourage anyone who likes the park entrance as it is to do so too. However, we do not condone its removal by others. We prefer to use the planning process to persuade Asda that it is intrusive and unnecessary and would like them to remove it themselves. Or as the situation is now, not to refit it.

They certainly should not have installed it before the planning application is approved because they are not replacing an existing Co-Op sign in this location.
Quite right admin but be careful that you don't object to much because I think in time ASDA will support Marple memorial park they do a lot of local charity suport .even Compstall cricket clubs had suport from them.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on March 31, 2015, 04:56:56 PM
Quite right admin but be careful that you don't object to much because I think in time ASDA will support Marple memorial park they do a lot of local charity suport .even Compstall cricket clubs had suport from them.

The new manager at ASDA Marple is still Peter .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on March 31, 2015, 05:06:00 PM
The new manager at ASDA Marple is still Peter .
If you go to Asda marple you can nominate a cause for them to suport I've just done it for the skate
Park . Come on get voting .fill the box in .....
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: hollins on April 01, 2015, 07:45:38 PM
Poster at Romiley station confirms Asda Marple opens Monday 13th April at 10am.

There's a rumour that might be a tad early.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on April 01, 2015, 08:09:15 PM
There's a rumour that might be a tad early.
Why confirm otherwise .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Harry on April 01, 2015, 09:32:41 PM
Poster at Romiley station confirms Asda Marple opens Monday 13th April at 10am.

Adverts appearing on the Manchester Evening News twitter feed confirm the 13th at 10am.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on April 02, 2015, 03:36:57 PM
Adverts appearing on the Manchester Evening News twitter feed confirm the 13th at 10am.
And on bus shelters .it will be ready for the 13 April .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on April 03, 2015, 03:41:58 PM
And on bus shelters .it will be ready for the 13 April .

Latest objections Re Asda from civic society on there website ,
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marveld on April 04, 2015, 07:43:42 PM
Latest objections Re Asda from civic society on there website ,

http://www.marplecivicsociety.org.uk/News.html (http://www.marplecivicsociety.org.uk/News.html)

I personally think the new green sign at the top of the steps rather OTT and would prefer it to be taken down (as shown in the photo on the above link). I don't mind the new sign on the main building. However, I also think the new frames that have appeared on the perimeter of the car park opposite Archers to perhaps be a little too much. I think these frames are designed to show temporary signs (special offers etc.). Anyone else agree/disagree?

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on April 04, 2015, 08:12:38 PM
http://www.marplecivicsociety.org.uk/News.html (http://www.marplecivicsociety.org.uk/News.html)

I personally think the new green sign at the top of the steps rather OTT and would prefer it to be taken down (as shown in the photo on the above link). I don't mind the new sign on the main building. However, I also think the new frames that have appeared on the perimeter of the car park opposite Archers to perhaps be a little too much. I think these frames are designed to show temporary signs (special offers etc.). Anyone else agree/disagree?
IF its going to advertise cut price bread yes sign top of steps needs removing .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on April 06, 2015, 06:22:31 PM
So ASDA have erected signs without planning permission, have they?

Quelle surprise!

Didn't someone say "Be careful what you wish for" when all the cheers went up about ASDA coming to Marple?

Thin end of the wedge and all that.




Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on April 06, 2015, 06:38:55 PM
So ASDA have erected signs without planning permission, have they?

Quelle surprise!

Didn't someone say "Be careful what you wish for" when all the cheers went up about ASDA coming to Marple?

Thin end of the wedge and all that.
Some people don't like change ,but they will use it when it opens next week if it had been a Waitrose or booths not a word would have been uttered .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on April 06, 2015, 07:16:55 PM
Some people don't like change ,but they will use it when it opens next week if it had been a Waitrose or booths not a word would have been uttered .
I don't have a problem with change or with cut-price supermarkets per se. I just have a problem with ASDA/Walmart and their unethical and unscrupulous dealings with staff, suppliers and their rough riding over local authority planning regulations and other legislative matters. "We're big:We can do as we please"
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on April 10, 2015, 11:07:29 PM
http://www.marplecivicsociety.org.uk/News.html (http://www.marplecivicsociety.org.uk/News.html)

I personally think the new green sign at the top of the steps rather OTT and would prefer it to be taken down (as shown in the photo on the above link). I don't mind the new sign on the main building. However, I also think the new frames that have appeared on the perimeter of the car park opposite Archers to perhaps be a little too much. I think these frames are designed to show temporary signs (special offers etc.). Anyone else agree/disagree?

No, If you buy a property within reason you should be allowed to do what you like with it
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on April 11, 2015, 11:09:11 AM
No, If you buy a property within reason you should be allowed to do what you like with it
And if what you do with your property "within reason" by your standards, interferes with the right of owners and tenants of neighbouring properties to "quiet enjoyment" of their homes and the value thereof?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on April 12, 2015, 10:40:33 AM
And if what you do with your property "within reason" by your standards, interferes with the right of owners and tenants of neighbouring properties to "quiet enjoyment" of their homes and the value thereof?

A sign at the top of their car park stairs is not usually famed for it's late night parties every day of the week.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on April 12, 2015, 11:04:58 PM
A sign at the top of their car park stairs is not usually famed for it's late night parties every day of the week.
Legally, "quiet enjoyment" doesn't only mean late night parties
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on April 13, 2015, 02:06:53 PM
Legally, "quiet enjoyment" doesn't only mean late night parties

Anyone done Asda yet .surprised at how mutch they've managed to get in .to busy to judge as yet
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dizzy Penguin on April 13, 2015, 02:16:12 PM
Anyone done Asda yet .surprised at how mutch they've managed to get in .to busy to judge as yet

https://twitter.com/search?q=marple%20asda
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Jay on April 13, 2015, 02:26:31 PM
All looks well until you turn off the veg aisle and then there's no where to run! Middle aisle has gone so the only way to navigate your way round is the 100m run from the back of the store to the till end, which ends more or less within breathing distance of the till operator. Realising the only way to the next aisle is to have sharp elbows and a disregard for your fellow shopper or a 100m dash back the way you came I personally don't think the layout is a good one. They don't even supply water fountains at the top end for refreshments once you've completed the 200m dash!!!! :o. Hopefully may be a littler easier once it's calmed down
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on April 13, 2015, 03:53:27 PM
All looks well until you turn off the veg aisle and then there's no where to run! Middle aisle has gone so the only way to navigate your way round is the 100m run from the back of the store to the till end, which ends more or less within breathing distance of the till operator. Realising the only way to the next aisle is to have sharp elbows and a disregard for your fellow shopper or a 100m dash back the way you came I personally don't think the layout is a good one. They don't even supply water fountains at the top end for refreshments once you've completed the 200m dash!!!! :o. Hopefully may be a littler easier once it's calmed down
You spend more that way agree not a lot of room as yet .give it time to settle nice to see a lot of the same staff ......some were queuing at six this morning they say ....... Will miss the delli counter .ita all
Packet stuff now .fish will stick to going to meal house brew Stockport for that .lets not forget to suport the other shops in Marple as well .....
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: rsh on April 14, 2015, 06:10:25 PM
Blimey that enormous green sign facing the Memorial Park entrance is more disgusting than I'd imagined! I will definitely be sending my thoughts too. That was the first impression.

Second not much better - where do you leave a bike? Ok the co-op never had anywhere (the only supermarket I knew of without) but Asda with all their might and money haven't thought to add any stands amongst the plethora of new signage and in fact old railings in front of the "click and collect" where I often saw bikes locked have been removed! Meanwhile the car park was chaotic at midday with queues for spaces... I will be contacting to see if they can add some cycle stands, so let's see how responsive they are.

Inside as expected, tightly packed warehouse shelves and lots of walking end to end! Queues for checkouts (numerous people with FULL trolleys - unthinkable in co-op days!) making navigation more difficult still. But even so, a better atmosphere, welcoming staff, prices at the other end of the scale to what Marple has suffered too long, pensioners with a beaming smiles!

Goodbye co-op and good riddance...
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Bowden Guy on April 14, 2015, 08:14:34 PM
Mrs BG popped in today and was very impressed, although she agrees that things are a little "tighter" in terms of layout. I expect to put on some weight over the next few weeks given that I can now buy my 5 doughnuts for 50p once again!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on April 14, 2015, 09:02:31 PM
Mrs BG popped in today and was very impressed, although she agrees that things are a little "tighter" in terms of layout. I expect to put on some weight over the next few weeks given that I can now buy my 5 doughnuts for 50p once again!

MISSED THEM DOUGHNUTS . At least we can buy what we need instead of having to go else were .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: EmmyJane Designs on April 15, 2015, 05:43:41 PM
Quote
.lets not forget to suport the other shops in Marple as well .....

This is my concern.

The whole store and car park is not in anyway letting people see that there are amazing local shops around the corner (of course asda doesn't want anyone to shop anywhere else). E.g. The asda signs on Hollins Lane completely hide the fact that there is a local bakery opposite (Archers) from view of customers parking their cars.
When I visit towns and villages around our country I always scan around for the local shops too, if I'm visiting a supermarket.
In Glossop Marks and Spencer have a carpark with a footpath leading to the local shops. There is no signage to let people know there are alternative shops around.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: admin on April 17, 2015, 11:08:12 PM
Very pleased to see that the Asda sign on the steps up to the park entrance has been removed again some time today.

I hope it's Asda themselves who have done it this time and not vandals.

There are now 7 objections to the planning application for Asda's signage on the Planning Portal:

http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData/AcolNetCGI.gov?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=123476
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on April 17, 2015, 11:43:29 PM
This is my concern.

The whole store and car park is not in anyway letting people see that there are amazing local shops around the corner (of course asda doesn't want anyone to shop anywhere else). E.g. The asda signs on Hollins Lane completely hide the fact that there is a local bakery opposite (Archers) from view of customers parking their cars.
When I visit towns and villages around our country I always scan around for the local shops too, if I'm visiting a supermarket.
In Glossop Marks and Spencer have a carpark with a footpath leading to the local shops. There is no signage to let people know there are alternative shops around.

Is it ASDAs responsibility to promote other shops in the suburb or is it the traders responsibility to seek to promote themselves?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on April 18, 2015, 12:44:41 AM
No, but neither is it their responsibility to go out of their way to deliberately try to see off other businesses.

As I've said elsewhere there is plenty of evidence that ASDA is unscrupulous in their dealings with staff, suppliers and neighbours of their stores.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: corium on April 18, 2015, 11:27:33 AM
No, but neither is it their responsibility to go out of their way to deliberately try to see off other businesses.

As I've said elsewhere there is plenty of evidence that ASDA is unscrupulous in their dealings with staff, suppliers and neighbours of their stores.

I know the terms and conditions have changed e.g.  undertsand all staff must do some weekend work but the basic rate paid, I understand from a conversation I had yesterday, is higher than under the Coop regime. Might not be a lot but the staff member concerned appreciated it.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on April 18, 2015, 12:19:43 PM
No, but neither is it their responsibility to go out of their way to deliberately try to see off other businesses.

As I've said elsewhere there is plenty of evidence that ASDA is unscrupulous in their dealings with staff, suppliers and neighbours of their stores.

I accept most of that but local traders do have to do something to make people make that walk from ASDA and currently many of them don't they sit there expecting customers to just come to them.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: JMC on April 18, 2015, 12:47:49 PM
Blimey that enormous green sign facing the Memorial Park entrance is more disgusting than I'd imagined!

Really? I didn't see the big deal when I saw what all the fuss was over.

I do though agree with you about the smiling pensioners. It is one of the first things I noticed when I went in the new ASDA!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on April 18, 2015, 01:07:14 PM
I accept most of that but local traders do have to do something to make people make that walk from ASDA and currently many of them don't they sit there expecting customers to just come to them.
As I said if it were a Booths or a waitrose not a word would have been said and I bet the objections are from those those the did not want a ASDA in the first place ..
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on April 18, 2015, 05:05:38 PM
No, but neither is it their responsibility to go out of their way to deliberately try to see off other businesses.

As I've said elsewhere there is plenty of evidence that ASDA is unscrupulous in their dealings with staff, suppliers and neighbours of their stores.
A lot off the local shops were busy this morning .not a lot different from a normall sat ..neils very busy
Wilsons busy Iceland busy .few in the butchers .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on April 19, 2015, 12:07:02 PM
As I said if it were a Booths or a waitrose not a word would have been said and I bet the objections are from those those the did not want a ASDA in the first place ..
Before tarring people with this brush you should read this. It might open your eyes.

http://www.corporatewatch.org/company-profiles/asda-wal-mart-corporate-crimes





Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Cyberman on April 19, 2015, 12:57:44 PM
On a positive note - on Friday I saw 2 girls wandering round Marple with sandwich boards proclaiming "Your New ASDA store is now open!" 2 new jobs created (OK only briefly). We should be grateful for the rewarding job prospects offered by our American friends.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on April 19, 2015, 03:57:05 PM
Before tarring people with this brush you should read this. It might open your eyes.

http://www.corporatewatch.org/company-profiles/asda-wal-mart-corporate-crimes

What do people of Marple want some wanted alternative to the coop they now have that .what else would you like.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on April 19, 2015, 07:04:03 PM
Before tarring people with this brush you should read this. It might open your eyes.

http://www.corporatewatch.org/company-profiles/asda-wal-mart-corporate-crimes

This is a great example of why I often cringe when reading these sorts of campaigning websites.

Some of the "crimes" listed are spot on, and Asda/Wal Mart should be better held to account by the appropriate governments.

However, a lot of the stuff listed is either whingy, tin foil hat nonsense, or is drawing false conclusions from innocuous facts to support their anti Wal Mart agenda. And this generally only serves to undermine their position to any reading it who is coming in with a relatively open mind.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: hollins on April 19, 2015, 09:38:34 PM
As far as I can see, the new ASDA is EXTREMELY popular with the people of Marple (including myself).

Those who wish to can add to the anti-Walmart tirade. Please leave the rest of us to the relief of being able to shop for foodstuffs at sensible prices after work in the town we live in.

And for goodness sake, get over the green signs and the temporary banners in front of the car park. At least it's better than falling over A-boards on Market Street.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Condate on April 19, 2015, 09:54:04 PM
As far as I can see, the new ASDA is EXTREMELY popular with the people of Marple (including myself).

Well my household is boycotting ASDA, since it has meant the loss of the Co-op. This does mean going futher for a supermarket, since the nearest decent sized Co-op is in New Mills, but it's worth it. We are still using the local proper shops in Marple of course.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marplerambler on April 19, 2015, 10:53:03 PM
So ASDA have erected signs without planning permission, have they?

Quelle surprise!

Didn't someone say "Be careful what you wish for" when all the cheers went up about ASDA coming to Marple?

Thin end of the wedge and all that.

If you think ASDA are bad check out a book called 'Tescopoly'. Every dirty trick within the retail trade and sordid details of the rise of the Tesco empire is quite an eye-opener.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on April 19, 2015, 10:56:34 PM
Well my household is boycotting ASDA, since it has meant the loss of the Co-op. This does mean going futher for a supermarket, since the nearest decent sized Co-op is in New Mills, but it's worth it. We are still using the local proper shops in Marple of course.
Me too. Independents in Marple are my first choice but I use the Co-op in Glossop when I need a supermarket - not quite as close as New Mills but I'm there every week.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on April 19, 2015, 10:59:24 PM
This is a great example of why I often cringe when reading these sorts of campaigning websites.

Some of the "crimes" listed are spot on, and Asda/Wal Mart should be better held to account by the appropriate governments.

However, a lot of the stuff listed is either whingy, tin foil hat nonsense, or is drawing false conclusions from innocuous facts to support their anti Wal Mart agenda. And this generally only serves to undermine their position to any reading it who is coming in with a relatively open mind.
I AM capable of sorting the wheat from the chaff, Exile.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: My login is Henrietta on April 19, 2015, 11:01:17 PM
If you think ASDA are bad check out a book called 'Tescopoly'. Every dirty trick within the retail trade and sordid details of the rise of the Tesco empire is quite an eye-opener.
Of course. I don't shop in Tesco either.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: hollins on April 20, 2015, 09:41:31 AM
Well my household is boycotting ASDA, since it has meant the loss of the Co-op. This does mean going futher for a supermarket, since the nearest decent sized Co-op is in New Mills, but it's worth it. We are still using the local proper shops in Marple of course.

If you are using the local "proper" shops in Marple ... why exactly do you need to go to New Mills?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on April 20, 2015, 10:50:30 AM
I AM capable of sorting the wheat from the chaff, Exile.

As am I. But I have to say, given that a sizeable number of the "crimes" listed are just nonsense, it does make me wonder how much validity there is to the more sensible sounding claims - boy cried wolf and all that.

Now, I'm under no illusions about the business practises of Asda/Walmart, or any other multinational global corporation for that matter, but sites like that do treat their readers like they are gullible idiots, and it doesn't do their position any favours in the long term as their detractors (ie Walmart) will gloss over the more accurate allegations and focus on ridiculing the nonsense ones.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: nipper14 on April 20, 2015, 11:56:50 AM
I personally like the new Asda - lots of choice at decent prices, unlike the Co-op where you were lucky if you found what you wanted. I do my main shop at Tesco, but also shop at all the other large supermarkets, and have no qualms about it. But it's all down to choice, and we are all free to make our own choices.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on April 20, 2015, 01:16:49 PM
Me too. Independents in Marple are my first choice but I use the Co-op in Glossop when I need a supermarket - not quite as close as New Mills but I'm there every week.

Used the coop twice in Glossop while the change over was being done .it was no different that the Marple coop empty shelves staff not interested silly prices .that could be the next one for the chop .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Condate on April 20, 2015, 06:48:50 PM
If you are using the local "proper" shops in Marple ... why exactly do you need to go to New Mills?

Firstly, there are some things you can't easily buy in the local shops, so a supermarket does come in useful sometimes. Secondly, the local shops are not open when I leave for work and are closed when I come home. Sometimes, it is necessary to shop during the week, so I have to go somewhere and the Co-op at the garage does not have the same range as the excellent Co-op we have lost.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: marpleexile on April 20, 2015, 09:00:25 PM
the Co-op at the garage does not have the same range as the excellent Co-op we have lost.

Have we lost more than one Co-Op then? Where was the excellent one located?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: nipper14 on April 21, 2015, 12:19:04 PM
I don't want to seem to be picking on the Co-op, but judging by the occasional visit to the Marple store over the last few years it beats me why anyone would travel out of Marple specifically to shop at another Co-op!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Condate on April 21, 2015, 12:47:05 PM
I don't want to seem to be picking on the Co-op, but judging by the occasional visit to the Marple store over the last few years it beats me why anyone would travel out of Marple specifically to shop at another Co-op!

I suppose it's a matter of personal opinion, but I find the Co-op superior to the other supermarkets I've tried. I used to live in a town with a Tesco, Sainsbury's, Aldi, Lidl and Kwiksave and when I moved first to Compstall and now Marple, I was very surprised to discover the Co-op, as it was so much better than anything I'd known before, both in terms of the quality and range of the products. Obviously, not everyone agrees, but having discovered a supermarket which for me at least at the top of the league table, I'd find it hard to settle for anything less.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on April 21, 2015, 12:50:18 PM
I don't want to seem to be picking on the Co-op, but judging by the occasional visit to the Marple store over the last few years it beats me why anyone would travel out of Marple specifically to shop at another Co-op!
We whent to Marks Spencer's at Glossop and called in at the coop for a coffee .because the bus stop is
Outside the coop .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: tigerman on April 21, 2015, 02:07:54 PM
I too was often disappointed with the co-op's lack of food range. The co-op ethos is commendable, but my experience is coloured by the time when I pointed out to an assistant stacking shelves that an item I had just put in my basket was past its sell by date, she thanked me then walked off and actually replaced said item back on the shelf!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on April 21, 2015, 06:12:28 PM
Amazing!

It's all amazing!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on April 21, 2015, 07:55:21 PM
Amazing!

It's all amazing!
            ITS not its nozama /
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: mikes on May 01, 2015, 10:10:26 AM
Regarding the signs ASDA have put up without planning permission, I have just received a letter from Stockport MBC saying that the planning request for the "Proposal: Installation of 10 Facia Signs and 48 other signs" has been withdrawn.  Does this mean that they will now have to remove every sign and start again and include the people of Marple in their decision?   
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on May 01, 2015, 10:33:24 AM
Regarding the signs ASDA have put up without planning permission, I have just received a letter from Stockport MBC saying that the planning request for the "Proposal: Installation of 10 Facia Signs and 48 other signs" has been withdrawn.  Does this mean that they will now have to remove every sign and start again and include the people of Marple in their decision?
I think MIA should be reformed then there's a good chance it might close .and be empty .or it could change to a Neto . When will people stop moaning .and trying to make Marple something it's not and never will be .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: wheels on May 01, 2015, 10:36:20 AM
I think MIA should be reformed then there's a good chance it might close .and be empty .or it could change to a Neto . When will people stop moaning .and trying to make Marple something it's not and never will be .

Good post Amazon
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: bluebelly on May 01, 2015, 10:59:35 AM
well said amazon
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: mikes on May 01, 2015, 11:46:04 AM
Well maybe the three of you don't have any pride in our community, but a lot more do have and care about what is happening in Marple.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on May 01, 2015, 12:19:21 PM
Well maybe the three of you don't have any pride in our community, but a lot more do have and care about what is happening in Marple.
And what is hapening in Marple .do you or don't you want a supermarket if so what what supermarket
Or do you want cafes charity shops .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Condate on May 01, 2015, 12:46:29 PM
Well maybe the three of you don't have any pride in our community, but a lot more do have and care about what is happening in Marple.

Well said indeed.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Condate on May 01, 2015, 12:50:51 PM
And what is hapening in Marple .do you or don't you want a supermarket if so what what supermarket
Or do you want cafes charity shops .

If we can't have the Co-op, is it worth having a supermarket in Marple?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on May 01, 2015, 01:11:07 PM
If we can't have the Co-op, is it worth having a supermarket in Marple?
Coop wasent a supermarket it was a very expensive convenience store .so we're do you shop .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Mrs O on May 01, 2015, 01:21:31 PM
I think MIA should be reformed then there's a good chance it might close .and be empty .or it could change to a Neto . When will people stop moaning .and trying to make Marple something it's not and never will be .

Another stupid post Amazon. I'm with Condate and Mikes.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: simonesaffron on May 01, 2015, 01:33:49 PM
The Co-op overpriced its products for the people of Marple and in doing do treated us with disdain. They very often didn't have stuff on the shelves either.

Quite simply, latterly, they  did not offer a good service to the people of Marple. Over the years these are some of the items that they didn't have when I was looking for them.

Mushrooms

Kiwi Fruit

Ice

Cucumber

And can you believe this one - Milk!


Stockport is in the county of Greater Manchester and Marple is in Stockport. You may want it to be in Cheshire (it once was)  but the FACT is, it isn't now, any more than Manchester is in Lancashire.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: admin on May 02, 2015, 06:14:53 AM

Regarding the signs ASDA have put up without planning permission, I have just received a letter from Stockport MBC saying that the planning request for the "Proposal: Installation of 10 Facia Signs and 48 other signs" has been withdrawn.  Does this mean that they will now have to remove every sign and start again and include the people of Marple in their decision?

I've also received a copy. I would suggest all it means is that Asda has noted the objections and to save themselves lots of agro and bad publicity, like it being called up at Area Committee, they have withdrawn it so that they can submit a (retrospective) application that doesn't include some or all of the signs that are being objected to and will not be controversial.

Friends of the Park are very pleased that the sign intruding on the park has been removed and this was our only concern with the signage application. If the new application doesn't include signs that impact on the park entrance then we will not object again.

I believe there were 8 objections altogether but don't know what they all were (the Civic Society objections are in the public domain but the others aren't as as far as I know). If Asda address them all then a retrospective application would probably sail through and there would be no need to remove the signs that people do not object to and then put them back up again, which would be rather silly.

Speaking of silly.......... :-X
I think MIA should be reformed then there's a good chance it might close .and be empty .or it could change to a Neto . When will people stop moaning .and trying to make Marple something it's not and never will be .

I've moved the conversation about Marple's location to a separate thread: http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=6276.0
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: nipper14 on May 04, 2015, 11:49:59 AM
Talking of pride in the community, I note that since Asda took over, the steps and ramp from Asda car park to the memorial park have been cleaned and all the leaves and litter have been removed, the litter bin is emptied and the passage from the bin along the side of the supermarket is now clear of debris and rubbish. When the Co-op was there the litter bin was overflowing and the area around the steps was strewn with rubbish and leaves. The staff knew about it, but preferred to ignore it.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Golfballbazooka on May 05, 2015, 08:02:12 PM
Just seen the lady running the self check outs refuse to serve a man of around 45-50 two bottles of WKD! Has the world gone mad? Surely this if a bit far?
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Disgusted of Marple on May 05, 2015, 10:32:36 PM
Personally, I can't think of a more pleasant way to spend a couple of hours than attempting to get a small basket of shopping through the self-service checkouts.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: nipper14 on May 07, 2015, 04:07:15 PM
Just seen the lady running the self check outs refuse to serve a man of around 45-50 two bottles of WKD! Has the world gone mad? Surely this if a bit far?

She must have had her reasons, perhaps he was already inebriated, or was being abusive!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on May 15, 2015, 11:34:37 AM
I suppose it's a matter of personal opinion, but I find the Co-op superior to the other supermarkets I've tried. I used to live in a town with a Tesco, Sainsbury's, Aldi, Lidl and Kwiksave and when I moved first to Compstall and now Marple, I was very surprised to discover the Co-op, as it was so much better than anything I'd known before, both in terms of the quality and range of the products. Obviously, not everyone agrees, but having discovered a supermarket which for me at least at the top of the league table, I'd find it hard to settle for anything less.

I think the proof of the pudding is in the usage of the store. Asda is very busiy compared to the old Co-op, with this in mind, I'd suggest more people find it a better compromise of quality and price than the co-op. Obviously, the independent shops do things better but as a supermarket, Asda seems to tick the boxes better than the Co-op.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Henry_ on May 15, 2015, 12:03:44 PM
She must have had her reasons, perhaps he was already inebriated, or was being abusive!

A middle aged man buying WKD, that is reason enough to refuse him
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Duke Fame on May 15, 2015, 01:15:15 PM
A middle aged man buying WKD, that is reason enough to refuse him


It's almost as if he were buying for someone else!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Howard on May 15, 2015, 02:10:12 PM
I think the proof of the pudding is in the usage of the store. Asda is very busiy compared to the old Co-op, with this in mind, I'd suggest more people find it a better compromise of quality and price than the co-op. Obviously, the independent shops do things better but as a supermarket, Asda seems to tick the boxes better than the Co-op.

Personally I'm disappointed in their selection of decaff coffee. One brand? If I have to drink decaff (and I do...) I'd like them to stock Lavazza which the Co-op used to.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Razzle24 on May 15, 2015, 02:49:48 PM
It was like the Co-op last night, no loose carrots, only a few cartons of milk left, not many birthday cakes, no jam donuts. Lots of empty spaces on the shelves 😟
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Miss C on May 15, 2015, 06:30:58 PM
I couldn't agree more Razzle. The choice of fresh fruit and veg was really poor. Very disappointing.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on May 15, 2015, 08:26:12 PM
I couldn't agree more Razzle. The choice of fresh fruit and veg was really poor. Very disappointing.
THEY cant keep up with the demand .its busier than they expected /its well stocked in a morning .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on May 16, 2015, 11:29:20 AM
I thought I'd give Asda a try, and not rush to judgement on it until it's had time to settle in.  But I have to say I'm a bit disappointed.  Yes the prices are noticeably lower than the Co-op prices were, so that's a big plus.  And there are some nice bottled beers at sensible prices.   :P

But the poor bread selection, the limited stock of fish, and above all, the lack of a deli counter, are real minuses.  Without a deli counter the only sort of ham and other cooked meat you can get is that slimy stuff in thin slices that comes in plastic packaging and tastes of nothing!

But it seems to be quite popular - it often feels crowded, although that may be because they have tried to squeeze in more shelving, so the aisles are narrower.  I still prefer Morrisons. 

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: JMC on May 16, 2015, 11:48:59 AM
It was like the Co-op last night, no loose carrots, only a few cartons of milk left, not many birthday cakes, no jam donuts. Lots of empty spaces on the shelves 😟

Isn't it run by some of the same people? If so the same problems may just be repeated.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Howard on May 16, 2015, 12:01:28 PM
So maybe the problems of poor supply weren't actually the Co-op's fault anyway. Maybe it's just the lack of warehousing at the store that causes problems.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Harry on May 16, 2015, 05:21:25 PM
It was like the Co-op last night, no loose carrots, only a few cartons of milk left, not many birthday cakes, no jam donuts. Lots of empty spaces on the shelves 😟

I have thought the same. If you keep the same management then you keep the same problems.

Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on May 16, 2015, 08:13:05 PM
Isn't it run by some of the same people? If so the same problems may just be repeated.
Let's get this right it's not run by same people them same people work for Asda there are three managers there now one that used to work for coop the rest are from asda
Some of the staff are the same Asda took there contracts over allso some new staff
..if you don't like it there are still coops not very far away .with empty shelves and expensive prices .you don't have to shop there .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Russ on May 17, 2015, 09:44:28 AM
The checkout is just as much fun as ever, so long as you have plenty of time to spare.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Dave on May 25, 2015, 06:24:13 PM
The checkout is just as much fun as ever, so long as you have plenty of time to spare.

That's certainly how it was this afternoon. I popped in for some eggs and a few other things. It was busy. I wandered round and eventually found what I needed, including six large free range eggs for a very reasonable £1.25, and then made my way to the tills. The self service tills were all closed, and only two of the staffed tills were open, and of course they had HUGE queues.

So I cleared off and went to the Texaco Co-op, where I bought 6 large free range eggs - for £2.05 :-(.

And the moral of this tale is - you get what you pay for!
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: amazon on May 25, 2015, 07:52:07 PM
That's certainly how it was this afternoon. I popped in for some eggs and a few other things. It was busy. I wandered round and eventually found what I needed, including six large free range eggs for a very reasonable £1.25, and then made my way to the tills. The self service tills were all closed, and only two of the staffed tills were open, and of course they had HUGE queues.

So I cleared off and went to the Texaco Co-op, where I bought 6 large free range eggs - for £2.05 :-(.

And the moral of this tale is - you get what you pay for!

just shows how overpriced the coop was .
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: Condate on May 25, 2015, 08:19:02 PM
just shows how overpriced the coop was .

I never found it so, but I suppose it depends on what you are buying. I am sticking to using the Co-op at the garage, or that in New Mills when I need something I can't get at the local shops, or I need something when the shops are shut.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: JMC on May 27, 2015, 11:55:01 AM
just shows how overpriced the coop was .

I agree with this. As  family we are saving £20 a week using the new Asda (previously Tesco and Sainsburys). However I tend to do Click and Collect.
Title: Re: Sale of the Marple CO-OP to ASDA
Post by: nipper14 on May 27, 2015, 04:31:26 PM
Bought some plants at Asda yesterday. A lady at the self service tills could not have been more helpful. She was cheerful and chatted to me while she put the plants through the till for me, making me feel a bit lazy as I could have done it myself. She packed the plants in bags, before bidding me a friendly farewell. I doubt I would ever have received that kind of service at the Co-op. Well done Asda!