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Archive => Archived Boards => Sale of Hibbert Lane Campus to Supermarket Chain => Topic started by: admin on March 07, 2013, 05:40:19 PM
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Looks like ASDA have 6 months to appeal, should they choose to do so:
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/planning/appeals/guidance/timelimits
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Its also 6 months from the date of receipt of the decision notice and not the date of the committee meeting.
It may take SMBC a couple of weeks to produce the relevant paperwork - or they might be very efficient.
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Would asda have to reapply for planning if it was seen that the chadwick st project was not happening in a few years or could that be worked into the appeal.
If that was the alternative site and no supermarket wanted it and sorting office still there in five years what could happen?
The cost per sq ft to build it may cause expanding supermarkets to consider other towns.
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These are interesting questions, bluezorro. But sadly, I fear that our lovely councillors are so determined to put a stop to the college's plans that they will do whatever it takes to ensure that a supermarket gets built at Chadwick Street. By which I mean they will, if necessary, ensure that the cost of acquiring the site will be reduced to compensate for the high construction and running costs, and for the relatively low projected turnover. :(
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I thought most people assumed it would be turned down at this point. It was always going to appeal surely?
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Would asda have to reapply for planning if it was seen that the chadwick st project was not happening in a few years or could that be worked into the appeal.
If that was the alternative site and no supermarket wanted it and sorting office still there in five years what could happen?
The cost per sq ft to build it may cause expanding supermarkets to consider other towns.
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IF ASDA did decide to go for Chadwick street were we're does that put Mia .
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I thought most people assumed it would be turned down at this point. It was always going to appeal surely?
But that was before chadkirk/trinity was thrown into the mix, and they stood a very good chance of winning as the council were essentially rejecting the bid "just because". Now, it's more interesting, and Asda have got to weight up whether they think they have any chance of winning the appeal.
A question for those who know more about planning proceedures that me. Lets assume that Asda don't appeal, or lose the appeal. How do things stand in, say 3 years time, if the Trinity Development still hasn't gone ahead because as some suspect on here, its not a truely viable proposal due to the cost of developing the site, and the lack of parking. Would Asda (or another Supermarket if Asda lose interest) be able to come back, retable the planning application, and win on the sequential test by demonstrating that the lack of movement on the Trinity Development is evidence that it isn't actually a suitable alternative for another supermarket in Marple.
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I thought most people assumed it would be turned down at this point. It was always going to appeal surely?
But that was before chadkirk/trinity was thrown into the mix, and they stood a very good chance of winning as the council were essentially rejecting the bid "just because". Now, it's more interesting, and Asda have got to weight up whether they think they have any chance of winning the appeal.
A question for those who know more about planning proceedures that me. Lets assume that Asda don't appeal, or lose the appeal. How do things stand in, say 3 years time, if the Trinity Development still hasn't gone ahead because as some suspect on here, its not a truely viable proposal due to the cost of developing the site, and the lack of parking. Would Asda (or another Supermarket if Asda lose interest) be able to come back, retable the planning application, and win on the sequential test by demonstrating that the lack of movement on the Trinity Development is evidence that it isn't actually a suitable alternative for another supermarket in Marple.
Good point but I think the ridge will have wanted to develop Buxton lane by then .
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I thought most people assumed it would be turned down at this point. It was always going to appeal surely?
But that was before chadkirk/trinity was thrown into the mix, and they stood a very good chance of winning as the council were essentially rejecting the bid "just because". Now, it's more interesting, and Asda have got to weight up whether they think they have any chance of winning the appeal.
A question for those who know more about planning proceedures that me. Lets assume that Asda don't appeal, or lose the appeal. How do things stand in, say 3 years time, if the Trinity Development still hasn't gone ahead because as some suspect on here, its not a truely viable proposal due to the cost of developing the site, and the lack of parking. Would Asda (or another Supermarket if Asda lose interest) be able to come back, retable the planning application, and win on the sequential test by demonstrating that the lack of movement on the Trinity Development is evidence that it isn't actually a suitable alternative for another supermarket in Marple.
As long as both those sites on Hibbert Lane & Trinity Street are vacant and available this issue will never be resolved. The only way to virtually guarantee that a supermarket is not built on Hibbert Lane is to build one on Trinity Street and the only way to absolutely guarantee it is to build something else on Hibbert Lane. Obviously, neither of these situations has happened yet. Planning permission is decidedly not the end of this story.
Another issue here is CAMSFC. What exactly is their situation in general and their financial situation in particular. If it is bad, then how long can they afford to wait on ASDA ? In addition to this what exactly is their contractual arrangement with ASDA. Can they extricate themselves from the partnership and sell the land for zoned development for which they would get planning permission although they would also get considerably less money than a supermarket is prepared to pay. However three years waiting in the wings with no money from either might finish them off anyway.
There is also the increasing threat to them of competition from a small but select band of Secondary schools who have definite plans to open up a sixth form provision in the near future. Marple Hall is one of them.
The irony now is that MACSFC have moved from the position of having no control over the situation at Hibbert Lane to possibly having the final say.
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Would asda have to reapply for planning if it was seen that the chadwick st project was not happening in a few years or could that be worked into the appeal.
If that was the alternative site and no supermarket wanted it and sorting office still there in five years what could happen?
The cost per sq ft to build it may cause expanding supermarkets to consider other towns.
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IF ASDA did decide to go for Chadwick street were we're does that put Mia .
I thought campaign was always focused against a supermarket (Asda ) on Hibbert Lane, not no to a supermarket in Marple?
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If the local authority (and the "Marple 6") are so set against a supermarket on Hibert Lane why don't they commit to gifting the proceeds of the sale of Chadwick Street to the Cheadle & Marple College? If the College then gets its (£4m?) from selling HL for housing, then both parties would get what they want. There are examples in other parts of the country where local authorities have made capital contributions to College projects. So, "Marple 6", let's hear what you think.
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Would asda have to reapply for planning if it was seen that the chadwick st project was not happening in a few years or could that be worked into the appeal.
If that was the alternative site and no supermarket wanted it and sorting office still there in five years what could happen?
The cost per sq ft to build it may cause expanding supermarkets to consider other towns.
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IF ASDA did decide to go for Chadwick street were we're does that put Mia .
I thought campaign was always focused against a supermarket (Asda ) on Hibbert Lane, not no to a supermarket in Marple?
Yes,Marple in action are against a supermarket on Hibbert Lane. Amazon must of missed that ::)
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Would asda have to reapply for planning if it was seen that the chadwick st project was not happening in a few years or could that be worked into the appeal.
If that was the alternative site and no supermarket wanted it and sorting office still there in five years what could happen?
The cost per sq ft to build it may cause expanding supermarkets to consider other towns.
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IF ASDA did decide to go for Chadwick street were we're does that put Mia .
I thought campaign was always focused against a supermarket (Asda ) on Hibbert Lane, not no to a supermarket in Marple?
Yes,Marple in action are against a supermarket on Hibbert Lane. Amazon must of missed that ::)
Their stated position at the moment is that they are against Hibbert lane, and have no opinion on anything else. But given that all the objections to a supermarket on Hibbert lane are at least as relevant, if not more so in the case of traffic problems, to Trinity street, it's not unreasonable to ask if MIA will switch targets (so to speak) once Hibbert lane is dead and buried, if trinity street looks like it might actually happen.
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Would asda have to reapply for planning if it was seen that the chadwick st project was not happening in a few years or could that be worked into the appeal.
If that was the alternative site and no supermarket wanted it and sorting office still there in five years what could happen?
The cost per sq ft to build it may cause expanding supermarkets to consider other towns.
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IF ASDA did decide to go for Chadwick street were we're does that put Mia .
I thought campaign was always focused against a supermarket (Asda ) on Hibbert Lane, not no to a supermarket in Marple?
Yes,Marple in action are against a supermarket on Hibbert Lane. Amazon must of missed that ::)
Why one and not the other or does that come later .so they can have there picture in the press again like i said they wanted .
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Bowden Guy makes a very reasonable point. Stockport MBC haven't been very forthcoming on what they will be doing with the proceeds of the sale (or even - and this will be of great interest to local Council-Tax payers - how much they expect to get from the sale). Presumably they will be using those proceeds for the benefit of Marple ... won't they?
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Their stated position at the moment is that they are against Hibbert lane, and have no opinion on anything else. But given that all the objections to a supermarket on Hibbert lane are at least as relevant, if not more so in the case of traffic problems, to Trinity street, it's not unreasonable to ask if MIA will switch targets (so to speak) once Hibbert lane is dead and buried, if trinity street looks like it might actually happen.
That is what I think will happen also.
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Their stated position at the moment is that they are against Hibbert lane, and have no opinion on anything else. But given that all the objections to a supermarket on Hibbert lane are at least as relevant, if not more so in the case of traffic problems, to Trinity street, it's not unreasonable to ask if MIA will switch targets (so to speak) once Hibbert lane is dead and buried, if trinity street looks like it might actually happen.
That is what I think will happen also.
But surely they will be far to late as Chadwick Street already has planning permission.
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If the local authority (and the "Marple 6") are so set against a supermarket on Hibert Lane why don't they commit to gifting the proceeds of the sale of Chadwick Street to the Cheadle & Marple College? If the College then gets its (£4m?) from selling HL for housing, then both parties would get what they want. There are examples in other parts of the country where local authorities have made capital contributions to College projects. So, "Marple 6", let's hear what you think.
An interesting point. The council would not be allowed to just do it - they are not permitted to just give away assets to whoever they like - but they might get permission from the government. Something like this has indeed been known to happen, and I have personal experience of it, although this was a few years ago and the 'rule book' may have changed by now. The relevant government department, of course, is DCLG, where ironically our MP used to be a junior minster.
The council would need to argue that there was some clear economic or other measurable benefit to local council taxpayers, and that this benefit would not happen unless they donated the proceeds from Chadwick Street. Which on the face of it, they could do.
The question is, is the political will there to actually do it? And if there is, why has no mention of the possibility been made by any councillor or by our MP?
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Their stated position at the moment is that they are against Hibbert lane, and have no opinion on anything else. But given that all the objections to a supermarket on Hibbert lane are at least as relevant, if not more so in the case of traffic problems, to Trinity street, it's not unreasonable to ask if MIA will switch targets (so to speak) once Hibbert lane is dead and buried, if trinity street looks like it might actually happen.
That is what I think will happen also.
Do we ever find out what happens to the proceeds of anything that SMBC sells? Will we feel any benefit if NPS finds a buyer for the toilets on Marple Rec'? I think MIA are correct to stick to their original aim, as we all know is, to stop an sp' on Hibbert Lane that would affect the many homes around the Hibbert and Buxton Lane area. The possible increase in traffic and the almost certain decrease in footfall to the existing Marple shops. To diversify to objecting to Chadwick Street would only muddy the waters. Of course the traffic situation that could arise from the Chadwick street site is also a big issue. MIA cannot rest yet , as Asda may appeal. Eventhough I feel it would bring much needed trade to Marple. I don't think that some people know or care, how much time, effort and personal money is required to support this issue. If people think that the much appreciated public donations cover the cost of this campaign that has been running for 21 months is enough think again. It is easy for members on this forum to be critical. Hey! if it was all as easy as typing a few objectionable words on a pc'. If a certain person on this forum is so passionate about the future of the college, why does he not orchestrate a support group? If people want an sp' on Hibbert Lane, why didn't they do what MIA did? Work at it! It takes a great effort to amass the very much appreciated support of the people who do not want a sp' on Hibbert Lane. I would think that a lot of people who do not want an sp' on Hibbert Lane are not happy about the Chadwick Street proposal which is bigger than expected, plus the related traffic issues. MIA have their hands full with the Hibbert Lane site. There are only so many hours in a day!
ps this is in reply to Hollins, will we know what happens to the proceeds of the sale of Chadwick Street?
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If a certain person on this forum is so passionate about the future of the college, why does he not orchestrate a support group?
Because such a campaign, if it were to stand a chance of being successful, should have been initiated by the college itself, and should have been underway a long time ago. It's far too late now, and anyway, it is not for those of us who have no connection with the college to do their job for them. I feel that the college has let the community down almost as much as the councillors and our MP have. :(
will we know what happens to the proceeds of the sale of Chadwick Street?
I assume it will just disappear into the council's bank account.
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I would think that a lot of people who do not want an sp' on Hibbert Lane are not happy about the Chadwick Street proposal which is bigger than expected, plus the related traffic issues. MIA have their hands full with the Hibbert Lane site.
Chadwick Street is not a proposal anymore! Its a planning consented development. Lets not forget that. Now all it needs is someone with the mony to deliver it. You can all moan about traffic and parking from now on until you are blue in the face. That ship has sailed, there is no going back.
My biggest regret of this whole sorry episode is that the elected and self-appointed "Guardians of Marple" have fallen asleep at the wheel and have effectively waived through a potentially damaging supermarket scheme, whilst publically celebrating the refusal of the other. Where is the critical analysis of the CS site and the effects this could have on our community? Oh thats right, everyone was too busy slinging mud at ASDA. I bet most of Marple doesn't even realise CS has consent!
MIA may had their hands full with ASDA, but in the meantime they have effectively given another nasty supermarket operator carte blanche to dump an equal sized supermarket on top of the only decent sized car park in Marple (which curretly accomodates all us existing town cente shoppers) and cheek by jowl to exitsing residential properties. Well done. Have another glass of wine and relax.... its too late to anything about CS now anyway.
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Was there a No to Chadwick Street campaign? If there was I missed it.I objected to the council about it. I was one of the few. Do you think some of the MIA should of given up their full time jobs to try to fight it?
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Was there a No to Chadwick Street campaign? If there was I missed it.I objected to the council about it. I was one of the few. Do you think some of the MIA should of given up their full time jobs to try to fight it?
No I don't, but why as a campaign group only object to one? It could be argued that this puts MIA in a position of responsibility to advise the public on both schemes as in many respects the impacts are the same. As it is by MIA making no reps on CS this has given a signal to the public that 'all is ok' when it is far from it.
It also makes me wonder what MIAs motivation was - if they don't have any desire to hold a very similar scheme to the Asda site to account.
Mrs O - I'm glad you put in an objection. That makes you consistent, which is all I really wanted from MIA.
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MIA may had their hands full with ASDA, but in the meantime they have effectively given another nasty supermarket operator carte blanche to dump an equal sized supermarket on top of the only decent sized car park in Marple (which curretly accomodates all us existing town cente shoppers) and cheek by jowl to exitsing residential properties. Well done. Have another glass of wine and relax.... its too late to anything about CS now anyway.
Very good point.
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Dave,
I think that you believe that if you keep repeating the Mantra about the Councillors and the MP letting the community down that everybody will start believing it.
Try this: Rightly or wrongly Councillors and the MP believed even though it was a catalyst for a College refurbishment a supermarket on Hibbert Lane was a bad idea for Marple. They believed that the harm it would do outweighed the benefits. They believed it would effectively kill off the town centre and in support of this so did Marple Business Forum. Marple 6 + MP also believed that there was much opposition in the community to this scheme and in support of this MIA came into being and I also expect Councillors + MP have had much other representation in opposition.
As they have been our Councillors and our MP for quite some time now and the issue of a supermarket has not shown then it is probably a reasonable assumption to make that they didn't want a supermarket anyway, anywhere in Marple. However once CAMSFC broke bread with ASDA (behind everybody's back) they (CAMSFC) took the lid off the supermarket box and Councillors + MP realised very quickly that it wouldn't go back on again and that somewhere in Marple there was going to be a supermarket.
Councillors + MP identified an alternative site in the town centre that might just enhance and support the existing businesses. So they used their influence to bring this about. This was supported by the FACT that the Hibbert Lane scheme contravened Council Planning Policy whereas the Trinity Street scheme complied with it. This was further supported by SMBC's professional planning directorate and also by SMBC's Planning Committee.
As if this wasn't enough Councillors + MP believed that there were/are other ways for the College to finance a refurbishment programme but when they tried to communicate this to CAMSFC they would not entertain them. When Councillors informed CAMSFC that they would not gain planning permission for Hibbert Lane, CAMSFC ignored them.
Throughout Councillors + MP have taken a consistent stance, they have engaged with the community, they have explained their position. They have represented their community - how can this be construed as "letting the community down". Please explain if you can.
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Was there a No to Chadwick Street campaign? If there was I missed it.I objected to the council about it. I was one of the few. Do you think some of the MIA should of given up their full time jobs to try to fight it?
I also objected. It seems ridiculous to me to dump it on Marple's main car park (as Belly said so well). Where will Iceland, Boots shoppers park for example. Students walking down Church lane will have a nightmare negotiating Trinity Street. I only hope they put a crossing there. I also worry if it is a Waitrose/M&S then there is still few places left in Marple for lower income residents to shop and will scream snobbery (eg MIA were against Asda but fine for high end stores even though many of the same arguments such as traffic still apply). I can only hope it will be an Aldi or Asda (if they do switch to CS-I think they will appeal).
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Dave,
I think that you believe that if you keep repeating the Mantra about the Councillors and the MP letting the community down that everybody will start believing it.
'Everybody'?? No danger of that, Simone - the number of people who have got nothing better to do than post on this forum, or read our words of wisdom, is vanishingly small. ;)
Try this: Rightly or wrongly Councillors and the MP believed even though it was a catalyst for a College refurbishment a supermarket on Hibbert Lane was a bad idea for Marple. They believed that the harm it would do outweighed the benefits.
That's your analysis, Simone. My take on it, for what it's worth, is different. I was at the 'party in the park' in July 2011, and saw some of our councillors looking visibly shaken by the angry crowd that shouted at them, and I have little doubt that from that moment on they were browbeaten into opposing the college's scheme. I'm afraid it's probably as simple as that. It would be nice to think that they all gave it calm, deep and rational consideration and concluded that 'that the harm it would do outweighed the benefits', but somehow I doubt it. You may be right - but there again, so might I. And now it really doesn't matter - we are where we are.
Throughout Councillors + MP have taken a consistent stance, they have engaged with the community, they have explained their position. They have represented their community - how can this be construed as "letting the community down". Please explain if you can.
With pleasure, Simone. Motivated by their desire to hang on to their seats, they have put their own short-term interests ahead of those of the next few generations of young people in Marple, who will for the foreseeable future continue to put up with third rate facilities, while their college is spending ever increasing amounts of money propping up its crumbling and inefficient buildings instead of spending it on teaching. The best we can hope for is that the college sells the land for housing and carries out 'plan B', in which case we may be able to look forward to second rate facilities!
I would like to think that our elected representatives have the vision and courage to act in the long-term interests of our community, not to make knee-jerk responses to every noisy pressure group that comes along. But maybe I'm being unrealistic.
As if this wasn't enough Councillors + MP believed that there were/are other ways for the College to finance a refurbishment programme but when they tried to communicate this to CAMSFC they would not entertain them.
Some time ago I discussed this with one of our councillors and our MP. The only proposal that they have had to offer, as far as I know, is that the college should dispose of the land for housing, and carry out whatever limited refurbishment they can afford for the c.4 million that this would provide. And indeed, that is what now looks most likely. Thanks a lot!
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It is my understanding that both ASDA & C&MSFC have now extricated themselves from their commercial partnership and that ASDA will not be following any appeal route. So the NO campaign has triumphed.
In addition to this C&MSFC are preparing a planning application for submission, for houses on the Hibbert Lane site.
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'Everybody'?? No danger of that, Simone - the number of people who have got nothing better to do than post on this forum, or read our words of wisdom, is vanishingly small. ;)
That's your analysis, Simone. My take on it, for what it's worth, is different. I was at the 'party in the park' in July 2011, and saw some of our councillors looking visibly shaken by the angry crowd that shouted at them, and I have little doubt that from that moment on they were browbeaten into opposing the college's scheme. I'm afraid it's probably as simple as that. It would be nice to think that they all gave it calm, deep and rational consideration and concluded that 'that the harm it would do outweighed the benefits', but somehow I doubt it. You may be right - but there again, so might I. And now it really doesn't matter - we are where we are.
With pleasure, Simone. Motivated by their desire to hang on to their seats, they have put their own short-term interests ahead of those of the next few generations of young people in Marple, who will for the foreseeable future continue to put up with third rate facilities, while their college is spending ever increasing amounts of money propping up its crumbling and inefficient buildings instead of spending it on teaching. The best we can hope for is that the college sells the land for housing and carries out 'plan B', in which case we may be able to look forward to second rate facilities!
I would like to think that our elected representatives have the vision and courage to act in the long-term interests of our community, not to make knee-jerk responses to every noisy pressure group that comes along. But maybe I'm being unrealistic.
Some time ago I discussed this with one of our councillors and our MP. The only proposal that they have had to offer, as far as I know, is that the college should dispose of the land for housing, and carry out whatever limited refurbishment they can afford for the c.4 million that this would provide. And indeed, that is what now looks most likely. Thanks a lot!
Well done marple in action and the local councilors you've just ruined Marple more houses more trafic no modern facilities for the college .Disgusted with the lot of you who voted against it . ...
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It is my understanding that both ASDA & C&MSFC have now extricated themselves from their commercial partnership and that ASDA will not be following any appeal route. So the NO campaign has triumphed.
In addition to this C&MSFC are preparing a planning application for submission, for houses on the Hibbert Lane site.
Splendid news, hope that turns out to be correct. All your previous scoops seem to have subsequently come true so am optimistic.
C&MSFC / ASDA site hasn't been updated with any details of this yet though. Last posting in their News section is dated 23-Nov-2012, "Planning application has been submitted". http://www.marplecollegeandasda.co.uk/ (http://www.marplecollegeandasda.co.uk/)
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The source seems to be Marple Civic Society. They must be confident to publish it on their web site.
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I am disappointed too for the college etc. I also wonder if trinity will ever happen. Maybe we will get Asda there instead? I suspect MIA will campaign against that if it becomes on the cards.
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Well done marple in action and the local councilors you've just ruined Marple more houses more trafic no modern facilities for the college .Disgusted with the lot of you who voted against it . ...
You are a cruel man Amazon! I am cut to the quick. Thanks anyway ;)
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The source seems to be Marple Civic Society. They must be confident to publish it on their web site.
MCS are not my source but the source is irrelevent, what matters is that it is true. CAMSFC expected to make an announcement next Tuesday.
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You are a cruel man Amazon! I am cut to the quick. Thanks anyway ;)
Even though Amazon has never stated, I always thought that "Amazon" was a woman. Is my intuition wrong?
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Even though Amazon has never stated, I always thought that "Amazon" was a woman. Is my intuition wrong?
Hope your sources are more reliable than your intuition ;D ::)
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You are a cruel man Amazon! I am cut to the quick. Thanks anyway ;)
Tru though you've ruined marple ,.more houses more trafic .nowere for them to shop only out of town .
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Hope your sources are more reliable than your intuition ;D ::)
Thanks mark .must bring me tights in of the line it looks like rain .
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Let us hope so.
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Where are all these people going to get school places. Most local schools are full.
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Tru though you've ruined marple ,.more houses more trafic .nowere for them to shop only out of town .
New Houses will hardly "ruin" Marple. They will bring a fraction of the traffic movement that a Hibbert Lane Asda would have brought. In addition to which affordable housing is needed - that is if it is affordable. What is affordable housing anyway? if you can't afford it then it's not affordable is it ? Then of course they can all shop in Marple, boost the local trade. The College can use the money to carry out a less grand refurbishment but nevertheless a refurbishment. So it could generally be a good thing all around.
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New Houses will hardly "ruin" Marple. They will bring a fraction of the traffic movement that a Hibbert Lane Asda would have brought. In addition to which affordable housing is needed - that is if it is affordable. What is affordable housing anyway? if you can't afford it then it's not affordable is it ? Then of course they can all shop in Marple, boost the local trade. The College can use the money to carry out a less grand refurbishment but nevertheless a refurbishment. So it could generally be a good thing all around.
You live in 'cloud cuckoo land'
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No, I live in Marple, the same as you do.
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New Houses will hardly "ruin" Marple. They will bring a fraction of the traffic movement that a Hibbert Lane Asda would have brought. In addition to which affordable housing is needed - that is if it is affordable. What is affordable housing anyway? if you can't afford it then it's not affordable is it ? Then of course they can all shop in Marple, boost the local trade. The College can use the money to carry out a less grand refurbishment but nevertheless a refurbishment. So it could generally be a good thing all around.
Agreed, Amazon is irrational in his thinking. A supermarket with a petrol station would have hundreds of vehicle movements per hour. Trading from 8am until 10pm. He says there is nowhere to shop. What does he think the majority of people in the town centre are doing if not shopping? Amazon has stated on this forum where he lives, and has mentioned coming to Marple to shop!!! He contradicts himself by saying that people who live in Marple have to shop out of town.
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Agreed, Amazon is irrational in his thinking. A supermarket with a petrol station would have hundreds of vehicle movements per hour. Trading from 8am until 10pm. He says there is nowhere to shop. What does he think the majority of people in the town centre are doing if not shopping? Amazon has stated on this forum where he lives, and has mentioned coming to Marple to shop!!! He contradicts himself by saying that people who live in Marple have to shop out of town.
They do because they can't get what they want in marple .you want a few hundred houses on that site ok
Wonder if the people that live near there think so .now perhaps MIA will object to that as well .
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New Houses will hardly "ruin" Marple. They will bring a fraction of the traffic movement that a Hibbert Lane Asda would have brought. In addition to which affordable housing is needed - that is if it is affordable. What is affordable housing anyway? if you can't afford it then it's not affordable is it ? Then of course they can all shop in Marple, boost the local trade. The College can use the money to carry out a less grand refurbishment but nevertheless a refurbishment. So it could generally be a good thing all around.
Like the rover stated you live in cloud cukooooo . Land
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They do because they can't get what they want in marple .
I'm not sure what you think people want on a daily / weekly basis that cannot be sourced in Marple centre. I know this sounds a little 'league of gentlemen' but why would you have to go elsewhere for day to day subsistance.
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I'm not sure what you think people want on a daily / weekly basis that cannot be sourced in Marple centre. I know this sounds a little 'league of gentlemen' but why would you have to go elsewhere for day to day subsistance.
Don't you think people should have a choice .we have a sort off supermarket the coop with its inflated prices
Would be nice to have a choice of supermarkets without having to go out of marple . Now this has happened idont think any supermarket will want to come to marple . Because they will know they will be objections . From Mia .so Chadwick site is a dead duck as far as development is concerned .
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Would be nice to have a choice of supermarkets without having to go out of marple . Now this has happened idont think any supermarket will want to come to marple . Because they will know they will be objections . From Mia .so Chadwick site is a dead duck as far as development is concerned .
I checked the http://www.marple-in-action.org.uk/ (http://www.marple-in-action.org.uk/) site concerning this. It states fairly clearly that MIA don't hold a view concerning Chadwick Street.
Have you heard something since to render that statement obsolete ?
Information about Chadwick Street Development
MARPLE IN ACTION WAS FORMED TO OPPOSE A SUPERMARKET DEVELOPMENT ON HIBBERT LANE.
As a group, we do not hold a view on whether or not a supermarket should be built on Chadwick Street.
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I think he hears voices in his head! How many times do we have to repeat that MIA were formed to object to a supermarket on Hibbert Lane because it would be detrimental to surrounding properties and take trade away from the existing shops in the town centre. He says people want a few hundred houses built on there.How does he know this?He also says that if new homes were built, the occupants would have to shop out of Marple.If people don't like what Marple has to offer why would they come? It is unlikely that hundreds of houses would go on that site, Hundreds of multi level apartments maybe. Has he seen some plans? He is obsessed with what he thinks MIA will or won't do. SMBC recieved a small number of objections to a supermarket on Chadwick Street in comparison to the objections to one on Hibbert Lane.
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SMBC recieved a small number of objections to a supermarket on Chadwick Street in comparison to the objections to one on Hibbert Lane.
I think this is, in part, due to stopping Asda being the primary focus. If that is over and a major supermarket wants Trinity then I still think many would object and perhaps start a new challenge. The original argument by many was that they don't want another supermarket at all. Let's be honest wouldn't a 25,000sq tesco be a threat to local businesses as much as an Asda would have been? Won't traffic be awful in the centre of Marple? Won't Lyme Grove residents get people parking down there? How will school kids cross Trinity with lorries approaching.
I can't really see Trinity ever happening and don't know if the council ever intended it to be developed. People will still go out of Marple for their main shop and that is a shame. It would be good for an Aldi to go at Trinity as it isn't too big for the site and would be a good offering for those on a low income. Alternatively a small Asda...
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It has been said many times before but there is absolutely no doubt that Trinity Street was a scheme devised by local Councillors with one purpose in mind and that was to prevent ASDA/CAMSFC gaining planning permission for Hibbert Lane. Once that had been achieved then Trinity Street had served its purpose as far as local Councillors were concerned. MIA could have brought the whole population of Marple onto the streets in objection against Hibbert Lane and it would not have made one bit of difference to the planning decision but once the Council came up with an alternative site in the town centre it was an entirely different story. Trinity Street was conjured up to defeat that planning process and not for reality.
The danger of course is that whilst Hibbert Lane remains "fallow" Asda or some other supermarket may always be lurking in the background. They may not be prepared to pay ASDA price but they will always pay much more than a housing developer.
I doubt that the Marple 6 (and this is where the influence lies not with MIA) will trust CAMSFC until something other than a Supermarket is actually being built on Hibbert Lane. So if I was in their shoes I would hold onto the Trinity Street Scheme until that time arrives.
IMHO a 25.000 sq ft Supermarket on Trinity Street is an unsolvable vehicular traffic catastrophe. As JMC says a smaller supermarket would have benefits and I could easily see that happening in due course but the primary aim now will be to shut any supermarket out of Hibbert Lane for good and I believe that that is where the next piece of action will be.
I think that we can expect a very quick planning application for houses to be lodged and pushed through by Councillors for Hibbert Lane and we could even see Trinity Street left exactly as it is for years to come. After all they don't really need it because Trinity St is not about Trinity Street, it never was, it is about Hibbert Lane.
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It has been said many times before but there is absolutely no doubt that Trinity Street was a scheme devised by local Councillors with one purpose in mind and that was to prevent ASDA/CAMSFC gaining planning permission for Hibbert Lane. Once that had been achieved then Trinity Street had served its purpose as far as local Councillors were concerned. MIA could have brought the whole population of Marple onto the streets in objection against Hibbert Lane and it would not have made one bit of difference to the planning decision but once the Council came up with an alternative site in the town centre it was an entirely different story. Trinity Street was conjured up to defeat that planning process and not for reality.
The danger of course is that whilst Hibbert Lane remains "fallow" Asda or some other supermarket may always be lurking in the background. They may not be prepared to pay ASDA price but they will always pay much more than a housing developer.
I doubt that the Marple 6 (and this is where the influence lies not with MIA) will trust CAMSFC until something other than a Supermarket is actually being built on Hibbert Lane. So if I was in their shoes I would hold onto the Trinity Street Scheme until that time arrives.
IMHO a 25.000 sq ft Supermarket on Trinity Street is an unsolvable vehicular traffic catastrophe. As JMC says a smaller supermarket would have benefits and I could easily see that happening in due course but the primary aim now will be to shut any supermarket out of Hibbert Lane for good and I believe that that is where the next piece of action will be.
I think that we can expect a very quick planning application for houses to be lodged and pushed through by Councillors for Hibbert Lane and we could even see Trinity Street left exactly as it is for years to come. After all they don't really need it because Trinity St is not about Trinity Street, it never was, it is about Hibbert Lane.
Brilliant posting '
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I think he hears voices in his head! How many times do we have to repeat that MIA were formed to object to a supermarket on Hibbert Lane because it would be detrimental to surrounding properties and take trade away from the existing shops in the town centre. He says people want a few hundred houses built on there.How does he know this?He also says that if new homes were built, the occupants would have to shop out of Marple.If people don't like what Marple has to offer why would they come? It is unlikely that hundreds of houses would go on that site, Hundreds of multi level apartments maybe. Has he seen some plans? He is obsessed with what he thinks MIA will or won't do. SMBC recieved a small number of objections to a supermarket on Chadwick Street in comparison to the objections to one on Hibbert Lane.
Have you seen the small site at cherry tree romiley were the pub was not the school site that's for Alzheimer's look how many a fordable houses they've cramend on that site .look forward to the ridge development .
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Have you seen the small site at cherry tree romiley were the pub was not the school site that's for Alzheimer's look how many a fordable houses they've cramend on that site .look forward to the ridge development .
I am not exactly sure that I am translating your post correctly, but I actually think, that that development is a big improvement on that big, horrible, scruffy pub that was there and it has the added bonus of providing provides homes for people. Perhaps Amazon you don't want people to have homes as long as you've got a supermarket.
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Have you seen the small site at cherry tree romiley were the pub was not the school site that's for Alzheimer's look how many a fordable houses they've cramend on that site .look forward to the ridge development .
Could you please use some simple punctuation? I am sure I am not alone having to guess what you are trying to say. There is a spell checker on this forum. Why not use it? Simone is not sure if she is translating your post correctly.Why should we need to do this? Forgive me if English is not your first language.
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look forward to the ridge development .
Who and for what reason?
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The College can use the money to carry out a less grand refurbishment but nevertheless a refurbishment. So it could generally be a good thing all around.
Actually I understand from other sources (not the college) that thanks to recent developments in government capital funding for sixth-form colleges, the improvements at camsfc may not necessarily have to be 'less grand' after all, even if the revenue from the sale of the Hibbert Lane site is only a modest 4 million. See http://www.education.gov.uk/schools/adminandfinance/schoolscapital/a00217642/bcif-2013-2014.
If the 4 million can be topped up by BCIF funds, the new Buxton Lane development may yet be worth having.
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The deadline for making an application was 4 months ago?
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The deadline for making an application was 4 months ago?
There is no reason why they shouldn't have put their application in, in advance. Just in case the ASDA scheme didn't work out. Though I wouldn't hold my breath.
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I am not exactly sure that I am translating your post correctly, but I actually think, that that development is a big improvement on that big, horrible, scruffy pub that was there and it has the added bonus of providing provides homes for people. Perhaps Amazon you don't want people to have homes as long as you've got a supermarket.
Not saying its not a improvement just stating how cram ed up they are .which seems to be the norm .
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The deadline for making an application was 4 months ago?
Yes, for schemes where the funds need to be made available within the 2013-14 financial year. But given the lead time needed for a new scheme to be designed and a new planning application to be submitted, they wouldn't need the funds until 2014-15 at the earliest. And these pots of capital funding generally roll forward to from one year to the next, though the amount of money in them can often change, of course.
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Have you seen the small site at Cherry Tree, Romiley, where the pub was. Not the school site that's for Alzheimer's Look how many affordable houses they've crammed on that site. Look forward to the Ridge Development.
I've tweaked your grammar/punctuation a little to make it clearer to read.
The small site where the Cherry Tree pub once stood, in Romiley is indeed under development.
Full plans at http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData/AcolNetCGI.gov?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=110200 (http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData/AcolNetCGI.gov?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=110200). 8 new houses and 6 new flats, as pictured below.
Unsure what point you were making though. Wonderful that so many affordable houses, perhaps using a shared equity approach, have been made available despite the small site? And you're hoping that plenty can be provided on the Cheadle+Marple plot soon ?
(http://i.imgur.com/BOlKzn5.jpg)
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I've tweaked your grammar/punctuation a little to make it clearer to read.
The small site where the Cherry Tree pub once stood, in Romiley is indeed under development.
Full plans at http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData/AcolNetCGI.gov?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=110200 (http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData/AcolNetCGI.gov?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=110200). 8 new houses and 6 new flats, as pictured below.
Unsure what point you were making though. Wonderful that so many affordable houses, perhaps using a shared equity approach, have been made available despite the small site? And you're hoping that plenty can be provided on the Cheadle+Marple plot soon ?
(http://i.imgur.com/BOlKzn5.jpg)
Why do some think they have to be so perfect on this site.just come back from Glossop,they now have a tesco
Aldi coop markspencers heron frozen foods. High street is busy the odd one empty .and all marple wants is houses .charity shops Cafes ..and a great do it yourself store
Get a life Marple .
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Amazon,
Now this I understand without translation.
Maybe you should move to Glossop.
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It has been said many times before but there is absolutely no doubt that Trinity Street was a scheme devised by local Councillors with one purpose in mind and that was to prevent ASDA/CAMSFC gaining planning permission for Hibbert Lane.
One of the first pieces of info that was obtained by a Freedom of Information request was an mail from SMBC to CAMSFC's consultants which stated that land was available (Chadwick St) for a new Supermarket. The plan to develop Chadwick St. had been around for a lot longer than people think and certainly before ASDA was interested in the Hibbert Lane Site.
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One of the first pieces of info that was obtained by a Freedom of Information request was an mail from SMBC to CAMSFC's consultants which stated that land was available (Chadwick St) for a new Supermarket. The plan to develop Chadwick St. had been around for a lot longer than people think and certainly before ASDA was interested in the Hibbert Lane Site.
Yes. Full text of the 08-Jul-2011 email is at http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=4617.msg26502 (http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=4617.msg26502).
"Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, we cannot agree that the Chadwick St car park site is not a “sequentially preferable” site. Basically, local and national policy says that sites for development should be in the most sustainable locations and therefore there is always a sequencing to the release of sites. Whilst we acknowledge that the Chadwick St site is less commercially attractive, we remain of the view that it is deliverable and therefore sequentially available. This undermines the Hibbert Lane site very significantly indeed."
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One of the first pieces of info that was obtained by a Freedom of Information request was an mail from SMBC to CAMSFC's consultants which stated that land was available (Chadwick St) for a new Supermarket. The plan to develop Chadwick St. had been around for a lot longer than people think and certainly before ASDA was interested in the Hibbert Lane Site.
Victor, We've had this conversation before more than once.
Being available is one thing, there is land all over Stockport that is "available" and has been "available" for years what matters is if and when that availability is processed and the "process" for "Trinity Street" was only kicked in when the CAMSF/SUPERMARKET scheme introduced itself. Before that there was a declaration with no intent on the part of the council.
I am not sure of the point that you try to make. All I am saying is that ASDA are leaving town because of the planning application for Trinity Street.
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I am not sure of the point that you try to make.
The point I am making is that SMBC didn't run round trying to find some way of stopping the Hibbert lane development once they had been approached by CAMSFC Consultant's, they already had plans, on the back burner, to develop Chadwick St. They (SMBC) warned CAMSFC representatives this at their first meeting, this idea that the Chadwick St. development is just a spoiling tactic is wrong. If this was not the case ASDA would have appealed against the decision, there are not many instances where ASDA don't go to appeal, this shows the professionalism of SMBC's planning dept.
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The point I am making is that SMBC didn't run round trying to find some way of stopping the Hibbert lane development once they had been approached by CAMSFC Consultant's, they already had plans, on the back burner, to develop Chadwick St. They (SMBC) warned CAMSFC representatives this at their first meeting, this idea that the Chadwick St. development is just a spoiling tactic is wrong. If this was not the case ASDA would have appealed against the decision, there are not many instances where ASDA don't go to appeal, this shows the professionalism of SMBC's planning dept.
Of course they "run round" their intention was to stop the Hibbert Lane, Supermarket. The Trinity Street site was rushed through all processes; Area Committee, Executive, Marketing, Planning. What often takes years was executed in months. Their was a multiplicity of uses that the Trinity St site could have been used for in SMBC'S development plan. If my recall is correct they varied from housing to a nightclub casino. There was a lot of bidding interest in the Trinity Street site and they weren't all proposing Supermarkets. Do you think that it was just a coincidence that SMBC decided to award to a developer who allegedly is building a supermarket, a Supermarket virtually the same size as the Hibbert Lane Asda and at exactly the same time ?
If they wanted a Supermarket on that site why didn't they build one years ago.
Are you actually saying that if ASDA hadn't appeared on Hibbert Lane that there would have been a Supermarket on Trinity Street anyway ?
If you are then I have to disagree.