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Archive => Archived Boards => Sale of Hibbert Lane Campus to Supermarket Chain => Topic started by: My login is Henrietta on January 21, 2013, 11:04:46 PM
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Those who welcome a new supermarket in Marple on the basis that it will provide us with cheap food might find the observations on supermarket pricing made in the Channel 4 Despatches programme - "Secrets of your Supermarket" - somewhat enlightening. Ditto "The Food Programme" on R4 this afternoon on what goes into supermarket "value" burgers and they weren't just talking about horsemeat.
NB Whilst there is nothing inherently dangerous in the consumption of horsemeat itself, much of the horsemeat intended for human consumption is imported into Europe (and thence possibly into that burger in your bun) from Mexico where regulations concerning medication given to horses are extremely lax. Particularly of concern is a common anti-inflammatory and pain killer used in veterinary medicine called phenylbutazone which was withdrawn from the British human pharmacopoeia some years ago when it was found to be carcinogenic. To be fair, here was no suggestion that the horsemeat found in the burgers had any 'bute contamination - this time!)
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'Cheap Food' as you put it does not mean people want a Asda so they can buy cheap burgers, its everyday household brands what are sold at a higher value in other shops. for example would you buy a tin of Heinz Tomato soup at shop A for £1.20 or go to shop B who sell it for 80p? And before anyone jumps on my back I know that is not the real price for said item!
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Good post Henrietta. Surprise - there are reasons why cheap food is cheap! Supermarkets do sell their premium ranges, which probably contain less horsemeat, but here I find much of what you pay goes towards the fancy packaging.
Regarding other items - e.g. soup - possibly our existing supermarket, the Co-op, may be more expensive than Asda/Tesco for branded items, but their own brand products seem fine in quality and price, often with genuine multi-buy savings. Also, as the T.V. programme showed, there are big differences in prices between large and small stores in the same chain. What category will an Asda store be? It will probably be "large" until the other shops have gone out of business, then it will revert to "small" pricing - that's WalMart's U.S. business model.
Consumers are of course free to choose the quality of their food, and on that basis I would like the smaller shops - butchers, veg shops, fish stall, deli - to stay open, so I can continue to buy locally sourced good quality produce. My concern is that a new supermarket may, depending on location, shift the shopping centre away from the existing businesses causing closures and loss of choice. It's not nimbyism, but I do want certain things to stay as they are.
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Good post Henrietta. Surprise - there are reasons why cheap food is cheap! Supermarkets do sell their premium ranges, which probably contain less horsemeat, but here I find much of what you pay goes towards the fancy packaging.
Regarding other items - e.g. soup - possibly our existing supermarket, the Co-op, may be more expensive than Asda/Tesco for branded items, but their own brand products seem fine in quality and price, often with genuine multi-buy savings. Also, as the T.V. programme showed, there are big differences in prices between large and small stores in the same chain. What category will an Asda store be? It will probably be "large" until the other shops have gone out of business, then it will revert to "small" pricing - that's WalMart's U.S. business model.
Consumers are of course free to choose the quality of their food, and on that basis I would like the smaller shops - butchers, veg shops, fish stall, deli - to stay open, so I can continue to buy locally sourced good quality produce. My concern is that a new supermarket may, depending on location, shift the shopping centre away from the existing businesses causing closures and loss of choice. It's not nimbyism, but I do want certain things to stay as they are.
How do you know that other shops are going to go out of business there are a fe w shops that have already closed in Marple now you can't blame that on. ASDA . Can you could it be that they are the wrong type of shop for Marple .what type of shop would you like in Marple . Supermarket or charity shops ..
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Asda prices are the same wherever you shop , unlike the garage that often sells items for more than you would get them in the CO op main store.
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I want an Asda because I am fed up having to go to Stockport for everything including weeks shopping. Years ago you could get many items in Marple that you just can't now. I do use local shops several times a week and will continue to do so. But if we could do our main food shopping here in Marple, we would use Marple's other shops much more; jewellers, health shop etc. rather than get it in Stockport whilst we are there. I also would rather go myself than shop online but at the moment it is often easier to do it online. Again local shops lose out that way too. If people actually have to go out eg to an Asda in Marple, surely some would stop off at other shops also?
Many shops are closing anyway, even national chains. Another supermarket gives Marple residents more choice but it seems this idea threatens many. Many people don't want us to have the option of cheaper more convienient shopping yet they themselves are quite happy to use huge stores in neighbouring towns!
Also not everybody has the luxury of buying anything other than cheap food!
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How do you know that other shops are going to go out of business there are a fe w shops that have already closed in Marple now you can't blame that on. ASDA . Can you could it be that they are the wrong type of shop for Marple .what type of shop would you like in Marple . Supermarket or charity shops ..
I think that if Asda appears on Hibbert Lane then a) most customers will travel there by car and b) once parked in the car park, few will venture into Marple centre. If they had used the Co-op, they would be more likely to nip across the road to visit the hardware shop, cake shop, car accessory shop, florist..... Just my opinion, based on observations of Co-op shoppers and friends.
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One of the main shops that will suffer from an asda would be Iceland.
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How do you know that other shops are going to go out of business there are a fe w shops that have already closed in Marple now you can't blame that on. ASDA . Can you could it be that they are the wrong type of shop for Marple .what type of shop would you like in Marple . Supermarket or charity shops ..
I think that if Asda appears on Hibbert Lane then a) most customers will travel there by car and b) once parked in the car park, few will venture into Marple centre. If they had used the Co-op, they would be more likely to nip across the road to visit the hardware shop, cake shop, car accessory shop, florist..... Just my opinion, based on observations of Co-op shoppers and friends.
Possibly true. However they are a lot more likely to do so if they shop at an Asda on Hibbert than if they are shopping at Sainsburys in Hazel Grove, or Tesco in Stockport.
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How do you know that other shops are going to go out of business there are a fe w shops that have already closed in Marple now you can't blame that on. ASDA . Can you could it be that they are the wrong type of shop for Marple .what type of shop would you like in Marple . Supermarket or charity shops ..
I think that if Asda appears on Hibbert Lane then a) most customers will travel there by car and b) once parked in the car park, few will venture into Marple centre. If they had used the Co-op, they would be more likely to nip across the road to visit the hardware shop, cake shop, car accessory shop, florist..... Just my opinion, based on observations of Co-op shoppers and friends.
This may well be true, however, I suspect that the majority of 'supermarket' shopping undertaken by Marple residents currently takes place outside of Marple (Bredbury, Hazel Grove, Stockport) and that such customers may well visit Marple shops more once their 'big-shop' is relocated back into Marple (as they have more time and local knowldge of the shops / products on offer). At least that's what I envisage myself doing in future - assuming I can stomach Asda's 'cheap food'!
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I think that if Asda appears on Hibbert Lane then a) most customers will travel there by car and b) once parked in the car park, few will venture into Marple centre. If they had used the Co-op, they would be more likely to nip across the road to visit the hardware shop, cake shop, car accessory shop, florist..... Just my opinion, based on observations of Co-op shoppers and friends.
But would they still be more likely to use Marple shops than if they went to another town entirely?
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One of the main shops that will suffer from an asda would be Iceland.
That would be a shame if it does but there are many towns where large and small retailers compete side by side and all do well. I would rather do my main shop at a Marple Asda and then do top ups in Iceland as it is smaller and quicker. In addition not everybody likes ASDA and the MIA 8,000 alone will keep the Co-op and Iceland afloat ;D
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How do you know that other shops are going to go out of business there are a fe w shops that have already closed in Marple now you can't blame that on. ASDA . Can you could it be that they are the wrong type of shop for Marple .what type of shop would you like in Marple . Supermarket or charity shops ..
Re shops going out of business.
Sadly, my experience bears this out. Everywhere I have lived in the last 40 years has seen good independent butchers, bakers, grocers, greengrocers, etc., go to the wall when a big-name supermarket established itself in the area. In Hyde it's even effected what was once a very good market to the extent that the council has reduced the number of stalls and many of the establish stall-holders have given up, including a number of food stalls which sold cheaper and in many cases better quality fruit and veg, cheese, bacon, etc. I won't entirely blame Asda for this as Morrisons started the slide but it's certainly delivered the coup de grace as, although Asda is within walking distance of the middle of town (about the same distance as the Hibbert Lane college site), very few people bother once they have parked in what is effectively a free carpark. And as far as Marple is concerned I wonder if Asda will bring pressure to bear on the the council to get rid of free and cheap parking in the centre of the village? There is already talk of building on the parking off Chadwick Street.......
And as far as cheapness is concerned Asda, in common with other supermarket chains, tailors it's prices to the area it's in. You can bet your bottom pound that the company is rubbing its hands with glee at the thought of establishing itself in an area that is perceived to be more affluent (whether it is or not) than other areas of Stockport.
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And as far as cheapness is concerned Asda, in common with other supermarket chains, tailors it's prices to the area it's in. You can bet your bottom pound that the company is rubbing its hands with glee at the thought of establishing itself in an area that is perceived to be more affluent (whether it is or not) than other areas of Stockport.
have you any evidence for this as I am sure at the consultations Asda have said that all their stores have the same low prices.
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Sadly, my experience bears this out. Everywhere I have lived in the last 40 years has seen good independent butchers, bakers, grocers, greengrocers, etc., go to the wall when a big-name supermarket established itself in the area.
Are you sure that this is not due to general social changes though? Eg more working mothers, pensioners working longer etc. The above could also have happened if there isn't an Asda locally but people drive to a neighbouring town's Asda.
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You can not blame supermarkets for the decline in the independent sector. Independent retailers have declined because local people just do not want to use them. And they don't use them for a whole variety of reasons, change in work pattern as highlighted by JMC is one but also other cultural factors have also brough about their demise for example we are now all used to and want a wider range of exotic foods which the independents often don't stock.
This is quite apart from the fact that they open for very short periods during the day usually 9-5 (closing even earlier if your a bakers) meaning many of us just can't use them even if we wanted to as we are at work. I will leave aside higher prices and poor customer service.
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And in some cases poor quality food for expensive prices.
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A tescos used to be in the shopping centre in hyde before asda opened , so the arrival of asda would have had little impact on the market.
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You can not blame supermarkets for the decline in the independent sector. Independent retailers have declined because local people just do not want to use them. And they don't use them for a whole variety of reasons, change in work pattern as highlighted by JMC is one but also other cultural factors have also brough about their demise for example we are now all used to and want a wider range of exotic foods which the independents often don't stock.
This is quite apart from the fact that they open for very short periods during the day usually 9-5 (closing even earlier if your a bakers) meaning many of us just can't use them even if we wanted to as we are at work. I will leave aside higher prices and poor customer service.
Some of your posting I agree with wheels . The staying open later. Can't see it working .archers for instance most of there bread and cakes have gone by three to three thirty .they do start baking early well before seven
Butchers don't think they need to . You just want to cater for a small minority .coop is open late if anybody wants that .icelands six I think boots five thirty .
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Apart from the coop and iceland no food offerings on sundays.
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Apart from the coop and iceland no food offerings on sundays.
But would you use them it's no good opening Sundays just for a handful of people that may use them .it does cost money to open wages don't know what they pay for Sunday working .it won't work .
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All shops need to assess the marketplace and decide whether they need to trade on sundsys or not.
Tourists and people who work saturdays need to be catered for.
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Well Amazon you can't blame many people for not using Archers if they chose to open for basically only half a day. I would suggest that for many independent retailers hours of 12-8 would be more reasonable and I am not sure there is sufficient business for them to be opening Monday and Tueday at all.
We are no longer in the 1950s that I certainly remember as a child and yet the independent retail sector seems stuck in that time.
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well said wheels
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Opening Sundays is all well and good but for smaller businesses this is probably not a viable option with the increased cost in wages, staff etc. I for one like to stay at home on Sundays and have a day with my family and not go to the local shops. Ii may be that the independents need to realign there opening hours to suit the needs of the local population but even that is no guarantee that extra business will be generated as as stated on this forum, most people will still do their main shopping at a supermarket.
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A sunday is the second busiest day in footfall for supermarkets.
If a supermarket opened on chadwick st or hibbert lane it would be crazy if other retailers did not grasp this opportunity.
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A sunday is the second busiest day in footfall for supermarkets.
If a supermarket opened on chadwick st or hibbert lane it would be crazy if other retailers did not grasp this opportunity.
That's a way of if at all .
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Some of your posting I agree with wheels . The staying open later. Can't see it working .archers for instance most of there bread and cakes have gone by three to three thirty .they do start baking early well before seven
They chose to do the baking only early, if they cared about customers they could do the braking so they still had fresh bread in stock at the times that customers wish to shop.
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Well said Ringi in fact a good example of a good product and poor customer service
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Bakers will bake only during the night to ensure they have a super fresh product on the day of sale. To ask bakers to bake all day does not make any sense at all. Why would they bake all day to have product left over when the shop closes. To any small food business the obvious choice would be to sell out and ensure good stock rotation. Don't be fooled by the supermarkets baking all day. I can guarantee that they do not bake anything fresh, they just pre programme an oven for a part baked product filled with a huge amount of additives and unnecessary ingredients and pass it off as a fresh baked loaf. The best policy is to buy fresh, as early as possible from a good baker, deli,food store etc and enjoy a product made with love and lots of attention from somebody who cares and not from a supermarket who don't care who you are so long as you buy from them. Rant over
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Some of your posting I agree with wheels . The staying open later. Can't see it working .archers for instance most of there bread and cakes have gone by three to three thirty .they do start baking early well before seven
They chose to do the baking only early, if they cared about customers they could do the braking so they still had fresh bread in stock at the times that customers wish to shop.
What time would that be then .
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Bakers will bake only during the night to ensure they have a super fresh product on the day of sale. To ask bakers to bake all day does not make any sense at all. Why would they bake all day to have product left over when the shop closes. To any small food business the obvious choice would be to sell out and ensure good stock rotation. Don't be fooled by the supermarkets baking all day. I can guarantee that they do not bake anything fresh, they just pre programme an oven for a part baked product filled with a huge amount of additives and unnecessary ingredients and pass it off as a fresh baked loaf. The best policy is to buy fresh, as early as possible from a good baker, deli,food store etc and enjoy a product made with love and lots of attention from somebody who cares and not from a supermarket who don't care who you are so long as you buy from them. Rant over
Another sensible posting .
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Bakers will bake only during the night to ensure they have a super fresh product on the day of sale. To ask bakers to bake all day does not make any sense at all. Why would they bake all day to have product left over when the shop closes. To any small food business the obvious choice would be to sell out and ensure good stock rotation. Don't be fooled by the supermarkets baking all day. I can guarantee that they do not bake anything fresh, they just pre programme an oven for a part baked product filled with a huge amount of additives and unnecessary ingredients and pass it off as a fresh baked loaf. The best policy is to buy fresh, as early as possible from a good baker, deli,food store etc and enjoy a product made with love and lots of attention from somebody who cares and not from a supermarket who don't care who you are so long as you buy from them. Rant over
I accept that except that I think some of us are suggesting that the selling need not start until mid day and the baking can be done in the morning thus having the product available when most of us would want to buy between say 4pm and 7.30pm.
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Well Amazon you can't blame many people for not using Archers if they chose to open for basically only half a day. I would suggest that for many independent retailers hours of 12-8 would be more reasonable and I am not sure there is sufficient business for them to be opening Monday and Tueday at all.
We are no longer in the 1950s that I certainly remember as a child and yet the independent retail sector seems stuck in that time.
wheels Archers business plan most be bad how long have they been there?? they have staff that start work at 4 in the morning, then the shop is open 930 till 5, 6 days a week... why open at 12-8 coz there are more people who going shopping between 9-12 then 5-8 so all shops should open for a couple of people... How about people be better organised, :o :oA sunday is the second busiest day in footfall for supermarkets.
If a supermarket opened on chadwick st or hibbert lane it would be crazy if other retailers did not grasp this opportunity.
well iceland was open on sundays with the run to xmas, and they had 12 people in the shop all day, did'nt pay for 1 member of staff...
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Bakers will bake only during the night to ensure they have a super fresh product on the day of sale. To ask bakers to bake all day does not make any sense at all. Why would they bake all day to have product left over when the shop closes. To any small food business the obvious choice would be to sell out and ensure good stock rotation. Don't be fooled by the supermarkets baking all day. I can guarantee that they do not bake anything fresh, they just pre programme an oven for a part baked product filled with a huge amount of additives and unnecessary ingredients and pass it off as a fresh baked loaf. The best policy is to buy fresh, as early as possible from a good baker, deli,food store etc and enjoy a product made with love and lots of attention from somebody who cares and not from a supermarket who don't care who you are so long as you buy from them. Rant over
I accept that except that I think some of us are suggesting that the selling need not start until mid day and the baking can be done in the morning thus having the product available when most of us would want to buy between say 4pm and 7.30pm.
betwwen 4pm and 730 when most of us?? no you mean you
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Alex, iceland has been open on sundays for nearly a year not just for the run up to christmas.
Have you ever been to tescos glosssop or portwood, asda hyde or ashton on a sunday?
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Alex,
No I don't mean me most people leave for work between 7 and 10 and get back into Marple between 4.30 and 7 and thus are unable to use local shops. Are you suggesting local shops should be the preserve of the elderly alone.
A more European approach to out shopping habits is not what people demand.
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Bakers will bake only during the night to ensure they have a super fresh product on the day of sale. To ask bakers to bake all day does not make any sense at all. Why would they bake all day to have product left over when the shop closes. To any small food business the obvious choice would be to sell out and ensure good stock rotation. Don't be fooled by the supermarkets baking all day. I can guarantee that they do not bake anything fresh, they just pre programme an oven for a part baked product filled with a huge amount of additives and unnecessary ingredients and pass it off as a fresh baked loaf. The best policy is to buy fresh, as early as possible from a good baker, deli,food store etc and enjoy a product made with love and lots of attention from somebody who cares and not from a supermarket who don't care who you are so long as you buy from them. Rant over
I accept that except that I think some of us are suggesting that the selling need not start until mid day and the baking can be done in the morning thus having the product available when most of us would want to buy between say 4pm and 7.30pm.
Your struggling at bit hear wheels .if. Most of us would want to buy at that time why are archers sold out at
three . This morning at eleven not much left on the shelves .
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You seem to be ignoring the majority who would have shopped their but are unable. How were you able to get there during the working day.
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You seem to be ignoring the majority who would have shopped their but are unable. How were you able to get there during the working day.
its just hard luck if you cant get there in time it closes, why dont you buy your stuff you want from near you work? the people who live in marple and work in marple surport them.
what is your grapp with achers? all the bakers in marple open and close at about the same time.
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Alex, iceland has been open on sundays for nearly a year not just for the run up to christmas.
Have you ever been to tescos glosssop or portwood, asda hyde or ashton on a sunday?
yer there busy with people who work all week in shops ;)
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There just one example of the poor customer service due to outdated opening hours of the independents in Marple to compete they have to compete not just on price but on service. That means competing on opening hours as well gone are the days when they can close at 5pm
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There just one example of the poor customer service due to outdated opening hours of the independents in Marple to compete they have to compete not just on price but on service. That means competing on opening hours as well gone are the days when they can close at 5pm
opening hours what for we are open till 6 every day in marple we start at 7, between 5-6 at night we may get 1 maybe 2 customers we only stay open coz we are cleaning, we are a indepent shop we are a business we are there to make money not to waste money, we would have to take about 100 pound every hour to stay open to pay the staff, so that is about 10 to 15 customers in the shop.. if you look up market st about 5 when all the shops are still open its dead.. who is going to park there cars and walk around at 7 at night in the rain, nobody... so if that is poor customer service we are sorry.. :'(.
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There just one example of the poor customer service due to outdated opening hours of the independents in Marple to compete they have to compete not just on price but on service. That means competing on opening hours as well gone are the days when they can close at 5pm
opening hours what for we are open till 6 every day in marple we start at 7, between 5-6 at night we may get 1 maybe 2 customers we only stay open coz we are cleaning, we are a indepent shop we are a business we are there to make money not to waste money, we would have to take about 100 pound every hour to stay open to pay the staff, so that is about 10 to 15 customers in the shop.. if you look up market st about 5 when all the shops are still open its dead.. who is going to park there cars and walk around at 7 at night in the rain, nobody... so if that is poor customer service we are sorry.. :'(.
Well said Wheels likes. To think he can win every argument this time he can't .
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Alex, if a new supermarket open on chadwick st brought 1000 customers on a sunday would you open to take advantage.
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Well Alex if I can't use your facilities because you have restricted opening times you cannot blame working people for not using you and going to the supermarkets instead. When your closing early I am and many others will be in the supermarkets and if the independents go to the wall does it really matter if we can't use them anyway.
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Alex, if a new supermarket open on chadwick st brought 1000 customers on a sunday would you open to take advantage.
if the other shops on market st open then yes we would
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Well Alex if I can't use your facilities because you have restricted opening times you cannot blame working people for not using you and going to the supermarkets instead. When your closing early I am and many others will be in the supermarkets and if the independents go to the wall does it really matter if we can't use them anyway.
wheels i understand what you are saying about hours, but if independent shops which delt with fresh food wanted to open your hours they would go bust very very quickly... like i said in a early post can you not buy your fresh food you want to buy from independent shop near your works? if we change our opening hours it would be down to the customer at the end of the day with there shopping patterens
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Well Alex if I can't use your facilities because you have restricted opening times you cannot blame working people for not using you and going to the supermarkets instead. When your closing early I am and many others will be in the supermarkets and if the independents go to the wall does it really matter if we can't use them anyway.
wheels i understand what you are saying about hours, but if independent shops which delt with fresh food wanted to open your hours they would go bust very very quickly... like i said in a early post can you not buy your fresh food you want to buy from independent shop near your works? if we change our opening hours it would be down to the customer at the end of the day with there shopping patterens
Alex, Wheels is right, Marple's independent traders are leaving money on the table by having opening hours that prevent a large number people from using their shops.
Equally, you are right about it not currently being worth their while, as there doesn't appear to be the demand for it. It's rather a chicken & egg situation. The shops won't open without the customers to support it, but the customers won't be there to support it unless the shops are open.
Local traders (across the country) missed the boat about 10/15 years ago by not moving with the times. Now, people such as myself who can't usually use local traders have our buying habits ingrained into using supermarkets which are open when I'm able to shop.
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Well said exile.
Marple will have to make a complete change once a supermarket opens, be it late night thursdays or sunday trading or even both.
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Bakers will bake only during the night to ensure they have a super fresh product on the day of sale. To ask bakers to bake all day does not make any sense at all. Why would they bake all day to have product left over when the shop closes. To any small food business the obvious choice would be to sell out and ensure good stock rotation. Don't be fooled by the supermarkets baking all day. I can guarantee that they do not bake anything fresh, they just pre programme an oven for a part baked product filled with a huge amount of additives and unnecessary ingredients and pass it off as a fresh baked loaf. The best policy is to buy fresh, as early as possible from a good baker, deli,food store etc and enjoy a product made with love and lots of attention from somebody who cares and not from a supermarket who don't care who you are so long as you buy from them. Rant over
I accept that except that I think some of us are suggesting that the selling need not start until mid day and the baking can be done in the morning thus having the product available when most of us would want to buy[/font][/font] between say 4pm and 7.30pm.
Most of who? I suggest you go and expound this theory in any small town in France and see how far it gets you considering that most French people start work earlier than is usual here but still manage to cope with inconsiderate bakers who bake over night and either take long lunch breaks or close early in the afternoon! What about Archers' staff? If they are working until 7.30pm and shops are closed in the morning when are they supposed to do their shopping?
I have to say, Wheels, that you are either the most selfish person on this board or you "only do it to annoy because you know it teases"....
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Well Alex if I can't use your facilities because you have restricted opening times you cannot blame working people for not using you and going to the supermarkets instead. When your closing early I am and many others will be in the supermarkets and if the independents go to the wall does it really matter if we can't use them anyway.
wheels i understand what you are saying about hours, but if independent shops which delt with fresh food wanted to open your hours they would go bust very very quickly... like i said in a early post can you not buy your fresh food you want to buy from independent shop near your works? if we change our opening hours it would be down to the customer at the end of the day with there shopping patterens
There are so few customers using Archers' that there is frequently a queue outside in the morning waiting for them to open. On Christmas Eve morning I went past just after the shop had opened and the queue was up to Hollins' shop and was several deep. Poor Archers, how CAN they stay in business whan they are SO short of customers and don't oblige people with their opening hours?
Alex, Wheels is right, Marple's independent traders are leaving money on the table by having opening hours that prevent a large number people from using their shops.
Equally, you are right about it not currently being worth their while, as there doesn't appear to be the demand for it. It's rather a chicken & egg situation. The shops won't open without the customers to support it, but the customers won't be there to support it unless the shops are open.
Local traders (across the country) missed the boat about 10/15 years ago by not moving with the times. Now, people such as myself who can't usually use local traders have our buying habits ingrained into using supermarkets which are open when I'm able to shop.
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You seem not to understand again Henrietta, the point I am making is why should local people support local traders be it in a campaign against ASDA or just by using them if they, the traders are unwilling to support local peopl, an example of which is being open we want to use them aftwer work. Support has to be both ways and I don't see much movement from the local independent retail sector.
If I want a local builder for example he comes and sees me in the evening when I am available, why is the retail sector so unwilling to be flexable.
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You seem not to understand again Henrietta, the point I am making is why should local people support local traders be it in a campaign against ASDA or just by using them if they, the traders are unwilling to support local peopl, an example of which is being open we want to use them aftwer work. Support has to be both ways and I don't see much movement from the local independent retail sector.
If I want a local builder for example he comes and sees me in the evening when I am available, why is the retail sector so unwilling to be flexable.
Your local builder is not trailing a collection of assistants who need to be paid when he calls at your house and he is using your heating and lighting costs rather than his own business's.
(Actually, I think it unreasonable of you to expect your builder to visit out of hours)
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So if the independent retail sector dies in the fact of the supermarket competion should we care as the majority of us can't get to use them anyway
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You seem not to understand again Henrietta, the point I am making is why should local people support local traders be it in a campaign against ASDA or just by using them if they, the traders are unwilling to support local peopl, an example of which is being open we want to use them aftwer work. Support has to be both ways and I don't see much movement from the local independent retail sector.
If I want a local builder for example he comes and sees me in the evening when I am available, why is the retail sector so unwilling to be flexable.
It's worth remembering Wheels that local businesses pay the taxes to pay your benefits
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what benefits do you mean Duke?????
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what benefits do you mean Duke?????
I dunno what you lefties claim these days, housing, council tax, car allowance etc etc
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Sorry to disappoint Duke, full time employment, no benefits claimed, own all my own homes, feel generally that we as a nation including me are undertax. Taxation and the payment of it is how we belong to the club of society and we none of us should be looking to reduce our contribution.
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Sorry to disappoint Duke, full time employment, no benefits claimed, own all my own homes, feel generally that we as a nation including me are undertax. Taxation and the payment of it is how we belong to the club of society and we none of us should be looking to reduce our contribution.
You shoud see a council outreach worker who will no doubt help ensure you get all the benefits you are "entitled" to