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Archive => Archived Boards => Local Issues => Topic started by: simpleton on December 28, 2012, 08:33:10 PM
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Hi i dont know if this has been discussed before, don't want to cause trouble but can the bloke from spar stop people from in the car park and go into Raja brothers even if you are not parked outside his shop? I have noticed the last few days there has been a sigh outside
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I don’t know what the law allows the spar shop to do, however I know that their attribute and actions has stopped me shopping at the spar, I now always try to use Raja brothers instead.
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His actions are very immature.
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This topic has been discussed at length here: http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=3059.0
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What's going on?
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Has the bloke from the spar thought about parking his van across the access road to a new supermarke
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Has the bloke from the spar thought about parking his van across the access road to a new supermarke
If they carry on this feud, I fear the owners & staff of both shops will be needing Asda for work. I noticed Raja was open on Christmas day yet there were cars parked accross the car park entrance.
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Hi i dont know if this has been discussed before, don't want to cause trouble but can the bloke from spar stop people from in the car park and go into Raja brothers even if you are not parked outside his shop? I have noticed the last few days there has been a sigh outside
The owner/occupier of a piece of land can prevent people from parking on his land but not on land which doesn't belong to him. There may be an easement "by prescription" as there has been unobstructed access across the land to both shops for over 20 years. Change of ownership is irrelevant. I would imagine that the Raja brothers could claim that this applies to vehicles as well as pedestrians.
The Traffic Management Act 2004 covers some aspects of obstructed access to private property.
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Hi i dont know if this has been discussed before, don't want to cause trouble but can the bloke from spar stop people from in the car park and go into Raja brothers even if you are not parked outside his shop? I have noticed the last few days there has been a sigh outside
The owner/occupier of a piece of land can prevent people from parking on his land but not on land which doesn't belong to him. There may be an easement "by prescription" as there has been unobstructed access across the land to both shops for over 20 years. Change of ownership is irrelevant. I would imagine that the Raja brothers could claim that this applies to vehicles as well as pedestrians.
The Traffic Management Act 2004 covers some aspects of obstructed access to private property.
I don't wish failure on either shop but if Mel were to decide to give up the franchise and develop his ground floor into a flat, he would have a lot of fun restricting access to the shop next door.
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cutting off nose to spite face springs to mind, I was going to stop for some milk today on my way home, but once I saw what was going on I found it intimidating so drove on by. Sad really, for all concerned.
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Duke.
Would the parking not be covered within a change of usage under planning.
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Duke.
Would the parking not be covered within a change of usage under planning.
I'm just going on Henrietta's thoughts and taking it to a (il)logical conclusion. Let's hope it doesn't get that far and the shops can co-exsist.
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I noticed it the other day and, while I sympathize about the situation of having a competitor move in right next door, it just makes them look childish and arrogant.
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I have been challenged on this parking issue at the Spar. I find it very unsavoury and somewhat childish behaviour. I do fully appreciate competition is not always wanted but to go to these lengths? The effect it has actually had is making the Spar car park so tiny that it's almost unusable. I previously shopped at the Spar but now visit Raja Bros, directly as a result of this. In my opinion whatever the Spar was trying to achieve has backfired and shown themselves to be a tad immature.
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I have also been challenged by the owner of Spar when i went into Raja regarding using the cash machine at Spar. I was met with a barrage of abuse by the owner, this was made a little worse because I had my little 5 year old boy with me.
It seems to be a tit for tat game and little childish to put a sign in front of the Spar, saying this is for Spar Customers Only, this seems to have more potential for accidents on the main road where people who park in the car park can no longer turn round, and therefore having to reverse out onto a main road as the carp park is effectively half the size.
My last comment on this is when are the the Railway Pub going to put a sign in there carp park saying Railway Customers Only, as the owner of the Spar constantly parks his Silver County Hire Van in there car park
Seems very much like the "Kettle Calling The Pot Black" as the saying goes
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I have also been challenged by the owner of Spar when i went into Raja regarding using the cash machine at Spar. I was met with a barrage of abuse by the owner, this was made a little worse because I had my little 5 year old boy with me.
It seems to be a tit for tat game and little childish to put a sign in front of the Spar, saying this is for Spar Customers Only, this seems to have more potential for accidents on the main road where people who park in the car park can no longer turn round, and therefore having to reverse out onto a main road as the carp park is effectively half the size.
My last comment on this is when are the the Railway Pub going to put a sign in there carp park saying Railway Customers Only, as the owner of the Spar constantly parks his Silver County Hire Van in there car park
Seems very much like the "Kettle Calling The Pot Black" as the saying goes
That is terrible.
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this seems to have more potential for accidents on the main road where people who park in the car park can no longer turn round, and therefore having to reverse out onto a main road as the car park is effectively half the size.
I agree with you on this point - parking is certainly awkward now. There are effectively 3 SPAR car slots, with one spot being used by SPAR staff. On a few occasions, I have witnessed cars coming up Stockport Road and turning left into SPAR to find they can't park so they have had to wait on the pavement and then reverse in when a slot becomes free. More cars are now parking on the double yellow lines on Dale Road, albeit for a short while. SPAR's decision is certainly affecting their own customers. (I am still loyal to SPAR and have a friendly relationship with the owners as an occasional customer).
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Signs gone today.
Half or more of sales space empty.
Maybe people have bought everything before the cold weather sets in.
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The shelves have been empty for ages. When we have been in they have not had what we wanted. We have had to go next door.
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Clown sign back up today and a banner celebrating someones 30th.
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Clown sign back up today and a banner celebrating someones 30th.
I never had any problems parking the wheels transport outside. I used to call in there for milk on the way home then once they tried to charge me £1.39 for 4lt. When I pointed this out they said sorry and charged me £1. Told me it was a simple error. Three days later exactly the same thing happened. Haven't been back since.
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FOUR LITRES OF MILK FOR £1.39 !!
wow! I'm there tomorrow..
or was that a simple error wheels?
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Hes parking his silver machine on dale road sunday afternoon.
Maybe his powers of disruption extend to there too.
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Hes parking his silver machine on dale road sunday afternoon.
Maybe his powers of disruption extend to there too.
I think you should remember this is someone's livelihood. There is clearly a dispute between the neighbours and it's not doing either shop any good but there seems to be a bit of nastiness in the posts here.
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Hes parking his silver machine on dale road sunday afternoon.
Maybe his powers of disruption extend to there too.
Disgraceful behaviour by the Spar owner. He should be a pillar of society - like the folks who run Premier...
"The premier shop was raided yesterday,it was a multi agency raid by Borders agency,customs and excise,trading standards,licencing and a large no of police officers with sniffer dog two employees of premier were handcuffed and taken away as was a large quantity of alcohol and other items" (taken from this post - http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=3059.105 (http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=3059.105))
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Hes parking his silver machine on dale road sunday afternoon.
Maybe his powers of disruption extend to there too.
Disgraceful behaviour by the Spar owner. He should be a pillar of society - like the folks who run Premier...
"The premier shop was raided yesterday,it was a multi agency raid by Borders agency,customs and excise,trading standards,licencing and a large no of police officers with sniffer dog two employees of premier were handcuffed and taken away as was a large quantity of alcohol and other items" (taken from this post - http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=3059.105 (http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=3059.105))
That was posted by the Spar Owner
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Hes parking his silver machine on dale road sunday afternoon.
Maybe his powers of disruption extend to there too.
Disgraceful behaviour by the Spar owner. He should be a pillar of society - like the folks who run Premier...
"The premier shop was raided yesterday,it was a multi agency raid by Borders agency,customs and excise,trading standards,licencing and a large no of police officers with sniffer dog two employees of premier were handcuffed and taken away as was a large quantity of alcohol and other items" (taken from this post - http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=3059.105 (http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=3059.105))
That was posted by the Spar Owner
Must be incorrect then. My apologies.
Well how about this .... http://themarpleleaf.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/marple-store-wars-new-twist.html (http://themarpleleaf.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/marple-store-wars-new-twist.html)
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Cyberman, are you sure that the comment following the blog that you link to wasn't written by the owner of Spar?
The events which you note occurring at his neighbours seem to have taken place quite a long time ago and are hardly justification for the current feud. Premier seem to be maintaining a dignified silence here: I know which shop I would go to purely on the basis of that.
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Regardless of issues next door at Raja Brothers, the Spar owner has looked a bit silly with all the sign nonsense and will have lost custom as a result.
I always got my husband to park in front of the railings outside raja and go in the spar.
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Yes same here a couple of weeks ago, thought it was just me(oh and the women in front of me).Used the cash machine then wandered over to Raja's , he followed me over and gave me a mouthful telling me never to park on his land again!
When i came out of Raja's the torrent of abuse continued, followed me to my car and and confronted me and reminded me that i was parking on his property and never to again.
then the sign went up!
Its funny that most people i speak to have had a similar experience, so we only shop at Raja's now.
So his plan to deter us from shopping there has truly backfired, what a horrible man and we will never step foot on his car park again or his shop.
So job well done....
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Yes same here a couple of weeks ago, thought it was just me(oh and the women in front of me).Used the cash machine then wandered over to Raja's , he followed me over and gave me a mouthful telling me never to park on his land again!
When i came out of Raja's the torrent of abuse continued, followed me to my car and and confronted me and reminded me that i was parking on his property and never to again.
then the sign went up!
Its funny that most people i speak to have had a similar experience, so we only shop at Raja's now.
So his plan to deter us from shopping there has truly backfired, what a horrible man and we will never step foot on his car park again or his shop.
So job well done....
Sure this has been posted before what's the obsession with this subject it getting like a vendeta thought this subject had been barred from the website . It's as though the same person is wrighting this .
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Not at all amazon.
My comments were that the sign is not good for his business.
If i cant park in the car park like i used to and go in the spar, whose fault is that.
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Sure this has been posted before what's the obsession with this subject it getting like a vendeta thought this subject had been barred from the website . It's as though the same person is wrighting this .
As i first posted i wasnt out for causing trouble i just wanted to know if the bloke from Spar could stop people from parking on that part of land . So it is not a vendetta of any sort i just don't appriciate having abuse thrown at me when i am simply going about my own business and by all accounts i am not on my own . If this subject has been barred then i would presume admin would have barred it again . I am NOT the same person as it says i am a NEWBIE .
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Chaos outside the spar car park tonight. Its an accident waiting to happen as people have to back out onto Stockport road.
Could the raja owners not apply for the dropping of the kerb and access the car park from dale road.
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Planning permission to drop the curb and create an entrance from Dale Rd was sought and lost many years ago by the then Victoria wine iirc, one of the reasons for refusal was that it would be used as a "rat run" by motorists trying to avoid the traffic lights.
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Chaos outside the spar car park tonight. Its an accident waiting to happen as people have to back out onto Stockport road.
Could the raja owners not apply for the dropping of the kerb and access the car park from dale road.
Alternatively could people not park a couple of hundred metres away and walk to the shops.
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Maybe they could build a fence to stop spar customers cutting through.
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Just noticed that Spar is now called 'Rose Hill Stores' and that the dreadful, 'parking only for Spar customers' sign has gone. (Unless he is making a new sign, to reflect the name change!)
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Just noticed that Spar is now called 'Rose Hill Stores' and that the dreadful, 'parking only for Spar customers' sign has gone. (Unless he is making a new sign, to reflect the name change!)
There is a parking notice in the SPAR window regarding 'private land' and the need to obtain a shop receipt. From memory it's a fine of ~£85 that you have 28 days to pay, reduced to ~£60 if paid within 14 days. If you don't pay within 28 days it goes up to ~£135.
I've no idea how the SPAR owner enforces this e.g. by clamping or photo evidence. I was going to ask, but I never shop by car. To be honest, the notice left me with bad taste in my mouth.
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There is a parking notice in the SPAR window regarding 'private land' and the need to obtain a shop receipt. From memory it's a fine of ~£85 that you have 28 days to pay, reduced to ~£60 if paid within 14 days. If you don't pay within 28 days it goes up to ~£135.
I've no idea how the SPAR owner enforces this e.g. by clamping or photo evidence. I was going to ask, but I never shop by car. To be honest, the notice left me with bad taste in my mouth.
All this has put me off to be honest. We recently parked outside Raja and were going to use Spar but in the end went to Raja and the Spar guy was peering out the window at us. Felt quite threatening. I think it puts people off rather than the opposite. Does the Spar owner own the entire car park? Or just the entrance.
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Does the Spar owner own the entire car park? Or just the entrance.
They own the half outside their shop that they have had resurfaced.
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Does the Spar owner own the entire car park? Or just the entrance.
They own the half outside their shop that they have had resurfaced.
Spar is now Rose Hill Stores so I hope the rebranding is the end of the matter.
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Spar is now Rose Hill Stores so I hope the rebranding is the end of the matter.
Duke, the shop owners have not changed, just the connection with SPAR.
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Wheel clamping on private ia a criminal offence from 1 October 2012
These supposed 'fines' are a Wild West measure. Whether the cowboys do it at supermarkets, retail parks, hospitals or housing estates, they're often unenforceable.
See Moneysavingexpert.com
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets (http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets)
Rogue ticketers are not be able to obtain the ‘vehicle keepers’ address from DVLA in order to pursue the debt,
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Duke, what an earth has the rebranding of the spar got to do with anything, unless the spar has a new owner?
Otherwise nothing will have changed. Silver car parked in same place, taking up his customers parking spaces which in turn causes others to reverse onto stockport rd.(people doing this are foolish as they risk an accident).
Maybe it was the spar central distribution warehouse that was running at 50% stock levels and everyone thought it was the shop causing the empty shelves.
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Duke, what an earth has the rebranding of the spar got to do with anything, unless the spar has a new owner?
Otherwise nothing will have changed. Silver car parked in same place, taking up his customers parking spaces which in turn causes others to reverse onto stockport rd.(people doing this are foolish as they risk an accident).
Maybe it was the spar central distribution warehouse that was running at 50% stock levels and everyone thought it was the shop causing the empty shelves.
A new branding is a great time to remove the negative aspects that are associated the 'old' brand.
I don't think idle chit chat and ill-informed opinion that could have devastating effects on a family business should be thrown about on a published forum.
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Bravo Mr Rosehill Stores.
No car and sign blocking the carpark for past few days.
I am sure there is more than enough customers to keep both shops going.
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Yes but no cycling facilities BZ. ::)
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Yes but no cycling facilities BZ. ::)
You can't ride a bike round a shop??????
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Really great to hear it appears to have been sorted :-)
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Yes but no cycling facilities BZ. ::)
You can't ride a bike round a shop??????
Wheels can ;D
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Would probably take up less room than the obese car drivers waddling round.
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Very glad that Rose Hill Stores seems to be doing well. :)