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Archive => Archived Boards => Sale of Hibbert Lane Campus to Supermarket Chain => Topic started by: Dave on December 10, 2012, 05:33:05 PM
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The planning application for the college's proposed new facilities at Buxton Lane, and the Asda supermarket on Hibbert Lane, has now been submitted, and there is advice from MIA on the 'Latest News' thread here on the forum, for people who want to object.
It's very important, however, that people who support the college should also make their views known. If you click on this link: http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData/AcolNetCGI.gov?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=116256
....you'll see the application, and all you have to do is scroll down to a box entitled 'Public Representations'. Click on the link inside the box and you'll be taken to a very short form where you can post your support.
I don't know when the deadline is, but I have a feeling that it's not very long now - maybe just a week or two. Now's the time for everyone who cares about education in Marple to speak up and give the college their support.
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The planning application for the college's proposed new facilities at Buxton Lane, and the Asda supermarket on Hibbert Lane, has now been submitted, and there is advice from MIA on the 'Latest News' thread here on the forum, for people who want to object.
It's very important, however, that people who support the college should also make their views known. If you click on this link: http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData/AcolNetCGI.gov?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=116256
....you'll see the application, and all you have to do is scroll down to a box entitled 'Public Representations'. Click on the link inside the box and you'll be taken to a very short form where you can post your support.
I don't know when the deadline is, but I have a feeling that it's not very long now - maybe just a week or two. Now's the time for everyone who cares about education in Marple to speak up and give the college their support.
There you go again Dave with what might be considered emotional blackmail "for anyone who cares about education...." when previously you have conceded that retaining the college is nothing to do with educational quality but is a matter of economics and retaining the students footfall in the town centre. Just because its it Marple doesn't make it a better college.
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The planning application for the college's proposed new facilities at Buxton Lane, and the Asda supermarket on Hibbert Lane, has now been submitted, and there is advice from MIA on the 'Latest News' thread here on the forum, for people who want to object.
It's very important, however, that people who support the college should also make their views known. If you click on this link: http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData/AcolNetCGI.gov?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=116256
....you'll see the application, and all you have to do is scroll down to a box entitled 'Public Representations'. Click on the link inside the box and you'll be taken to a very short form where you can post your support.
I don't know when the deadline is, but I have a feeling that it's not very long now - maybe just a week or two. Now's the time for everyone who cares about education in Marple to speak up and give the college their support.
There you go again Dave with what might be considered emotional blackmail "for anyone who cares about education...." when previously you have conceded that retaining the college is nothing to do with educational quality but is a matter of economics and retaining the students footfall in the town centre. Just because its it Marple doesn't make it a better college.
Thanks wheels voted for the college .
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Good point Dave. Only fair to point out the 'other side'.
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Thanks for the link Dave, have added my support this morning
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Likewise, I have supported CAMSFC and ASDA's joint application on the planning portal.
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I suspect the majority need there to be a "not bothered either way" box
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I suspect the majority need there to be a "not bothered either way" box
I think that is true. A lot of the people I knew originally against it now say they are not bothered as it doesn't affect them. I know some against it still but hard to take many seriously as they shop in Asda or other big store in another nearby town. I feel they are saying it is OK to add to traffic and affect small shops in other towns but not in their back yard. Most Yes people I know are just after reasonably priced shopping and a reduced need to go to Stockport for most things. They don't want to 'destroy' Marple which is the way some MIA people have tried to make them feel.
I have added my support also for the application.
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I have noticed it says (0) petitions, what happened to MIA's petition? I have also given my support for the application
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Tina, that would be for a petition in relation to this submitted application MiA petitions where gathered and submitted before the application so carry little weight.
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Thanks. Have now registered my vehement opposition to the ASDA planning application. Would hate to see ASDA's destruction of the town centre and demise of local traders, resulting in the subsequent disappearance of things we love about Marple - Food+Drink Festival, Christmas Cracker etc.
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Thanks. Have now registered my vehement opposition to the ASDA planning application. Would hate to see ASDA's destruction of the town centre and demise of local traders, resulting in the subsequent disappearance of things we love about Marple - Food+Drink Festival, Christmas Cracker etc.
And people going supermarket shopping out of Marple .
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In what way would that planned Asda result in the subsequent disappearance of things we love about Marple - Food+Drink Festival, Christmas Cracker etc.
Utterly ridiculous.
I actually want the bloody store now, and it's all thanks to MIA and some of the absolute tosh they and their supporters spout.
I will, however, carry on supporting my local shops, just as I do now.. nothing will really change.. (apart from a new college building)
Littlewoods & White's butchers won't suffer
Claudios pattiserie won't suffer nor All things Nice.. I will actually use these stores MORE than I do now.. because it will enable me to stay in Marple instead of travelling to Tesco to 'do a big shop'
I LOVE MARPLE
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In what way would that planned Asda result in the subsequent disappearance of things we love about Marple - Food+Drink Festival, Christmas Cracker etc.
Utterly ridiculous.
I actually want the bloody store now, and it's all thanks to MIA and some of the absolute tosh they and their supporters spout.
I will, however, carry on supporting my local shops, just as I do now.. nothing will really change.. (apart from a new college building)
Littlewoods & White's butchers won't suffer
Claudios pattiserie won't suffer nor All things Nice.. I will actually use these stores MORE than I do now.. because it will enable me to stay in Marple instead of travelling to Tesco to 'do a big shop'
I LOVE MARPLE
Best sensible posting for months .
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In what way would that planned Asda result in the subsequent disappearance of things we love about Marple - Food+Drink Festival, Christmas Cracker etc.
Utterly ridiculous.
I actually want the bloody store now, and it's all thanks to MIA and some of the absolute tosh they and their supporters spout.
I will, however, carry on supporting my local shops, just as I do now.. nothing will really change.. (apart from a new college building)
Littlewoods & White's butchers won't suffer
Claudios pattiserie won't suffer nor All things Nice.. I will actually use these stores MORE than I do now.. because it will enable me to stay in Marple instead of travelling to Tesco to 'do a big shop'
I LOVE MARPLE
Great post. I feel the same.
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Well said Tricky, i dont live in marple anymore but my parents and family do, but i am planning on doing my xmas shopping for veg and fruit in marple, so i shop more in marple than i do where i live.
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In what way would that planned Asda result in the subsequent disappearance of things we love about Marple - Food+Drink Festival, Christmas Cracker etc.
Utterly ridiculous.
I actually want the bloody store now, and it's all thanks to MIA and some of the absolute tosh they and their supporters spout.
I will, however, carry on supporting my local shops, just as I do now.. nothing will really change.. (apart from a new college building)
Littlewoods & White's butchers won't suffer
Claudios pattiserie won't suffer nor All things Nice.. I will actually use these stores MORE than I do now.. because it will enable me to stay in Marple instead of travelling to Tesco to 'do a big shop'
I LOVE MARPLE
Why would you use White & Littlewoods when you can get factory butchered stuff from Asda, dipped in blood to look 'fresh' and then wrapped in celephane wrap?
Why would you go to the greengrocers when you can get Asparagus imported from peru and ripened in the warehouse?
Why would you go to Archers when you can buy centrally prepared and pasturised dough warmed up in the store oven?
Why would you get cheese from All things.. when you can get a plastic chedder in Asda
Why, having driven your car the 160 mtrs to Asda would you waddle your overweight masses to the little shops in the traditional town centre.
On the other hand, why would you need Asda when you have the above shops and if you really need the mass produced option, why do you currently drive a 20 mile round trip to Tesco for a big sho pwhen you can currently walk to Co-op or the above shops (or is it a case of liziness)
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For the same reason that some of us choose to use some if these shops rather than the Co-op.
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For the same reason that some of us choose to use some if these shops rather than the Co-op.
THe co-op is within the cenral area, I cannot see people, having felt the need to go to Asda and walk around the aisles to then waddle to Marple, at best they will get into their MPVs and drive from the free car park to pay to park and then buy the things they specifically left off the Asda list.
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If the Co-op wasn't so expensive and was better run there wouldn't be such a need for an Asda. There is nothing wrong with extra choice for the people of Marple. Most people shop outside of Marple now for their main shop and Littlewoods etc still survive. In addition, all those against Asda won't go there so will continue using the local shops and Co op.
Duke, you are being the same as the MIA people who claimed the Co-op was great, not expensive etc. I would have more respect if you admitted that it wasn't the cheapest and that those on a low income WOULD benefit from a cheaper store in Marple but you feel it is outweighed by the traffic etc. Not just dismissing the logical counter argument. Oh and I support Asda yet am not overweight by any means!
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We've been round this topic so many times - people's shopping habits, the merits and demerits of the Co-op, the possible impact of a new supermarket on the independent traders - that there is nothing left to be said on the issue, and we are now just repeating ourselves.
Let's face it, we simply don't know what will happen if a new supermarket arrives, and looking at what has happened elsewhere doesn't help because the experience in other places has been so variable.
So why don't we agree to differ, wait and see what happens, and instead of fretting about shops and supermarkets, focus on what really matters - the educational facilities provided for our young people in the 21st century. That is far more important than agonising about whether this or that shop might possibly be affected by a new supermarket, isn't it?
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Just picked up from Marple Civic Society that "An extraordinary meeting is being arranged for the ASDA planning application to go before Marple Area Committee. The meeting will take place sometime between 16th January and 27th February 2013. SMBC will notify respondees to the planning application by post." Further details will be posted as they become available.
Also, Marple Civic Society have published their objections to the Asda proposals. (https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=5AE1C34D7E844FFF&id=5AE1C34D7E844FFF!471)
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I've read the letter, and I find it astonishing that an organisation which professes to be 'concerned about all aspects of our town, surrounding villages and countryside' should be so lacking in concern about the educational facilities available to our young people. They should be ashamed of themselves!
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I've read the letter, and I find it astonishing that an organisation which professes to be 'concerned about all aspects of our town, surrounding villages and countryside' should be so lacking in concern about the educational facilities available to our young people. They should be ashamed of themselves!
I too have read the letter and I find it absolutely unbelievable that they seem to have no concern whatsoever for the future of the college. They don't seem very civic nor societal.
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I agree re lack of concern for the college. Also they have made many claims with no evidence to back them up.
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It is exactly as you say non evidenced - just bald assertion throughout.
Two aspects in relation to the CAMSFC/ASDA no campaigners that I endlessly find curious is;
1/ Their permanent reference to the traffic issue whereupon they completely ignore the same issue in relation to Trinity Street. It is as if this scheme will create no extra traffic whatsoever.
2/ Their constant refusal to even acknowledge the existence of the College and the benefits it brings to the community as a whole.
It is really quite amazing! What is equally amazing is that they call themselves ...The Marple Civic Society.
I have Civic pride, I am societal and I live in Marple and I say to the "Civic Society"...please,please don't represent me.
In fact it begs a question, if anybody from MCS is listening - "Who actually do you represent" AND furthermore who says you do ?
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It is exactly as you say non evidenced - just bald assertion throughout.
Two aspects in relation to the CAMSFC/ASDA no campaigners that I endlessly find curious is;
1/ Their permanent reference to the traffic issue whereupon they completely ignore the same issue in relation to Trinity Street. It is as if this scheme will create no extra traffic whatsoever.
2/ Their constant refusal to even acknowledge the existence of the College and the benefits it brings to the community as a whole.
It is really quite amazing! What is equally amazing is that they call themselves ...The Marple Civic Society.
I have Civic pride, I am societal and I live in Marple and I say to the "Civic Society"...please,please don't represent me.
In fact it begs a question, if anybody from MCS is listening - "Who actually do you represent" AND furthermore who says you do ?
Good post! I too state that you do not represent me or anybody that I know and who gave you the right to say you do? Has the whole of Marple voted you in to do this, the same goes for MIA?????
I hate people who assume that they know what other people think and proceed to state this publically.
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Yes, it's depressing that a well-respected local organisation should produce such a poor letter - as others have said, full of vague unsubstantiated assertions, like 'There would be correspondingly negative social impacts within the community.' ::)
However, we can take some comfort from the fact that this sort of letter may not cut much ice with the planners. MCS would have been better advised to adopt a more intelligent and balanced approach, acknowledging the importance of the college's aspirations, and the valuable contribution it makes to the community, blah blah blah, but arguing that there may be better ways of achieving their objectives - that sort of thing. As it is, they have just thrown the kitchen sink at it, and the result is a bit of a rant, and not at all persuasive.
As for this: 'Our patron Andrew Stunell MP has made clear that he supports the society’s objection to the proposal.' - words fail me (for once ;))
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Yes, it's depressing that a well-respected local organisation should produce such a poor letter - as others have said, full of vague unsubstantiated assertions, like 'There would be correspondingly negative social impacts within the community.' ::)
However, we can take some comfort from the fact that this sort of letter may not cut much ice with the planners. MCS would have been better advised to adopt a more intelligent and balanced approach, acknowledging the importance of the college's aspirations, and the valuable contribution it makes to the community, blah blah blah, but arguing that there may be better ways of achieving their objectives - that sort of thing. As it is, they have just thrown the kitchen sink at it, and the result is a bit of a rant, and not at all persuasive.
As for this: 'Our patron Andrew Stunell MP has made clear that he supports the society’s objection to the proposal.' - words fail me (for once ;))
Good posting Dave . Like you say not considered the college only publicity for the society .hope no one goes
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Can I ask a question(s)......... MIA have posted fliers tonight to houses around the college, My question is... who wrote it? It states 'Megastore' which its not. States children will no longer be able to play out? WHY? House prices have dropped by 20% around the college.... But what about Chadwick Street? Why are MIA only trying to block Asda but are quite happy for the Chadwick Street Development? All the points they make out could be easily be argued for Chadwick Street, so why don't they try to block that one also? Why will the Library, swimming pool and post office close because of Asda? The Bold lettering at the end of the flier explain alot! 'All so that an American company can make even more profit' Will anyone answer these questions?
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Can I ask a question(s)......... MIA have posted fliers tonight to houses around the college, My question is... who wrote it? It states 'Megastore' which its not. States children will no longer be able to play out? WHY? House prices have dropped by 20% around the college.... But what about Chadwick Street? Why are MIA only trying to block Asda but are quite happy for the Chadwick Street Development? All the points they make out could be easily be argued for Chadwick Street, so why don't they try to block that one also? Why will the Library, swimming pool and post office close because of Asda? The Bold lettering at the end of the flier explain alot! 'All so that an American company can make even more profit' Will anyone answer these questions?
Totally agree Tina. Even some MIA supporters have asked these very questions.