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Archive => Archived Boards => Chadwick Street / Trinity Street Development => Topic started by: admin on October 11, 2012, 07:14:35 PM
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It's been suggested we have a poll on this topic, so registered users can now vote once only in this thread. Votes are anonymous - nobody can tell how you have voted. Of course you can tell us how and why you voted in this thread too if you wish........
You cannot see the results of the poll until you have voted yourself.
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It's been suggested we have a poll on this topic, so registered users can now vote once only in this thread. Votes are anonymous - nobody can tell how you have voted. Of course you can tell us how and why you voted in this thread too if you wish........
You cannot see the results of the poll until you have voted yourself.
I've voted it's a good idea . We need a choice to the coop .
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I'm just bumping this up so that it doesn't get buried by everyone's favourite topic.
Interesting results so far - no objections at all yet, a couple not bothered and the rest in favour saying it's a good idea.
Do we have any residents of the Chadwick Street area on the forum? It would be good to hear their views too.
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I've gone with "not bothered either way" because ...well, in principle, it doesn't bother me if the site is not redeveloped but if it was then that would be OK too. I would be happy to see the college site supermarket development shelved and if that if effected by development of Chadwick St site then I'd see it as the lesser of two evils with shoppers kept slap bang in the centre of Marple and a bit of competition for/variation from Co-op.
However overall, having lived in Marple, out of choice, for 10 years, I've never hankered after another supermarket here! A shoe shop or clothes shop maybe.....
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The whole point is do you or do you not feel you need another supermarket in Marple (which may be called a town but its infrastructure is no more than a village awaiting a by-pass) and if you do will the infrastructure, roads, businesses, and residents support the influx of visitors from out of town as well as the residents of Marple. If you believe the answer is yes and Marple gets a new supermarket, then I am afraid the people most affected by it will have to suffer the consequences if you don't see who could be affected the most.
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So, Marple is a "village"? A village...... with a huge secondary school, a sixth form college, a swimming baths, a cinema, two railway stations........it's hardly Emmerdale is it?
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The whole point is do you or do you not feel you need another supermarket in Marple (which may be called a town but its infrastructure is no more than a village awaiting a by-pass) and if you do will the infrastructure, roads, businesses, and residents support the influx of visitors from out of town as well as the residents of Marple. If you believe the answer is yes and Marple gets a new supermarket, then I am afraid the people most affected by it will have to suffer the consequences if you don't see who could be affected the most.
A village for goodnesssake Marple is a suburb of Stockport.
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A village for goodnesssake Marple is a suburb of Stockport.
Interestingly I don’t think of Marple as being a suburb of Stockport, I tent to more think of Maple as a suburb of Manchester as that is where the train goes and where a lot of the locals with good jobs tent to work.
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So, Marple is a "village"? A village...... with a huge secondary school, a sixth form college, a swimming baths, a cinema, two railway stations........it's hardly Emmerdale is it?
Marple is only classed as a town by some people due to its population, since I was a kid it has always had its swimming baths, a cinema, two railway stations, its own theatre, Roman Lakes, good bus routes etc. When I was a kid Marple was a country village surrounded by fields, these fields are now housing estates. Rose Hill, Marple Hall, Norbury Drive, Woodville Drive, 7 Stiles, Hawk Green etc and I am only 59 years old. The boundaries of Marple have not changed just the population and the redevelopment needed to cater for this increase in population.
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I'm surprised so many people think that developing the car park is a good idea. Come on people, wake up - we NEED to keep it a car park.
The majority of Marple residents shop from their cars - no problem with that, it's merely the consequence of a decades of integrating the car into a sophisticated society. But it means if we reduce the currently inadequate supply of parking spaces, the town will suffer further. The arguments against redeveloping the school site were around the impact on the town centre. How on earth is it better to stick a supermarket in the middle and reduce car parking to impractical levels? If it were to go that way, then in few years this forum will be full of hand wringing about there being nowhere to park and it being easier to drive to the nearest supermarket with adequate parking....
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I'm surprised so many people think that developing the car park is a good idea. Come on people, wake up - we NEED to keep it a car park.
The majority of Marple residents shop from their cars - no problem with that, it's merely the consequence of a decades of integrating the car into a sophisticated society. But it means if we reduce the currently inadequate supply of parking spaces, the town will suffer further. The arguments against redeveloping the school site were around the impact on the town centre. How on earth is it better to stick a supermarket in the middle and reduce car parking to impractical levels? If it were to go that way, then in few years this forum will be full of hand wringing about there being nowhere to park and it being easier to drive to the nearest supermarket with adequate parking....
That particular penny dropped a long time ago, but it got lost amongst the cheering of the rabid crowds basking in the glow of seeing off Asda.
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That particular penny dropped a long time ago, but it got lost amongst the cheering of the rabid crowds basking in the glow of seeing off Asda.
So your quite happy shopping at the coop .or maybe you don't shop at the coop,you go elsewhere .
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So your quite happy shopping at the coop .or maybe you don't shop at the coop,you go elsewhere .
Yes I do supermarket shop elsewhere as it happens. I'm not a huge fan of the Coop. Not that it has any relevance to the point made by rebel with regards to car parking.
My point has always been that Marple as a local centre doesn't have anywhere near enough car parking to allow its main car park to be built on and by a car park generating supermarket no less! The Chadwick Street proposals include a rooftop car park which is not really big enough to cater for the proposed supermarket (i've done the sums), let alone the others who currently park there. Its a recipe for chaos and potnetially will seriously disadvantage the other local shops in Marple.
The evidence? Just see what happened to the Coop car park whilst it was 'free' - its been rammed. And at no point has Chadwick Street been empty. The parking case for the level of development proposed at Chadwick Street is deeply flawed and I fear, should it ever happen, it will cause big traffic and parking problems for centre of Marple. One of the key negative reasons hurled at the ASDA scheme.
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I don't think I agree Belly. Marple is a small community and at least 50% of the population is within easy walking/cycling distance of the shops. What is needed is a change of culture rather than more or even the same level of parking.
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I don't think that the choice is so simple.
Do we want a supermarket on Chadwick Street or don't we ?
Whether you see Marple as a village or a town or something else altogether does a supermarket on Chadwick Street actually represent 'development' for Marple. If it does would it matter which Supermarket it was ?
If my recall is correct then planning permission was given for a 25,000 square feet supermarket. If my information is correct (and it may not be) the Co-op is 17,000 square feet. This would make the new one a third the size again. That's a big supermarket !
Who has supermarkets of such size ? Tesco, Sainsbury's, Asda. Are any of them expanding? Do people want Tesco at al ?
Big supermarket, big traffic. The last thing I want to see in Marple is more traffic. What is the plan for managing this traffic, has anybody seen one? It is as if the traffic has been forgotten about.
If we significantly reduce the size of the supermarket in order to reduce the size of the traffic - who do we get then - ALDI/LIDL? Do people want ALDI/LIDL. The Council has no control over who the end-user of the scheme is.
What will the Co-op's reaction be when a decent retailer rides into town. Maybe they will shut up shop and go home. If they do then what happens to the site. It could be years before its developed.
Marple isn't really a village but it isn't a bustling Town either. It is probably (to use an Americanism) a 'hick town,' perhaps it should remain so.
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I don't think I agree Belly. Marple is a small community and at least 50% of the population is within easy walking/cycling distance of the shops. What is needed is a change of culture rather than more or even the same level of parking.
Good luck with that Wheels. Trying to change people's travel patterns is a good part of my job. Its very, very difficult. Even more so, for travel to / from supermarkets and the 'big shop' culture.
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I'm surprised so many people think that developing the car park is a good idea. Come on people, wake up - we NEED to keep it a car park.
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The plans I saw kept the car park, in fact it was to be even bigger than the current car park. The supermarket was to be underneath the car park.
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The plans I saw kept the car park, in fact it was to be even bigger than the current car park. The supermarket was to be underneath the car park.
Thats correct. But the 'even bigger car park' isn;t big enough for the size of the new supermarket proposed and so will result in some overspill. Add that to the 60 or 70 cars displaced off the current car park and you have got yourself a problem. One that SMBC sought to ignore - despite myself and others pointing it out, with evidence.
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If my recall is correct then planning permission was given for a 25,000 square feet supermarket. ....... That's a big supermarket !
No. That's a small supermarket. According to IGD a small supermarket is defined as a food-focused store with a sales area of 3-25,000 sq ft.
The last thing I want to see in Marple is more traffic.
I couldn't agree more, but we're certainly going to get it. A lot more. Houses will be built on Hollins Lane when the college sells its land there (probably hundreds of them), more on Walton Drive, where the Dale Primary was, and then no doubt more on Buxton Lane when the college finally closes. Many hundreds more cars trying to leave Marple in the morning and return at the end of the working day. Not to mention hundreds more children being ferried to and from school each day.
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Houses will be built on Hollins Lane
Correction. Hibbert Lane.
I always mix those two up.
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Many hundreds more cars trying to leave Marple in the morning and return at the end of the working day.
Which is why we desperately need the proposed tram-train service. But not at Rose Hill!
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Which is why we desperately need the proposed tram-train service. But not at Rose Hill!
How many people do you think drive from Marple into the centre of Manchester in the day time?
Would anyone that is daft enough to do so consider using a tram?
A good transport link to Stepping Hill may get some people out of their cars, otherwise I expect the employment that most people are driving too is too far spread out to be practical for public transport.
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How many people do you think drive from Marple into the centre of Manchester in the day time?
Would anyone that is daft enough to do so consider using a tram?
A good transport link to Stepping Hill may get some people out of their cars, otherwise I expect the employment that most people are driving too is too far spread out to be practical for public transport.
Evidence shows the greatest number of rush hour trips are to Stockport there is where a link is needed to. The Reddish loop would be a much greater benefit than a train/tram
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For once we can agree, wheels - after all, it is the season of peace on earth and goodwill to all men. ;)
If the Reddish Vale 'chord' could be built, connecting the Marple to Piccadilly line with the Guide Bridge to Stockport line, trains (or indeed tram-trains) could go from Marple and Rose Hill to Stockport, via Romiley, Bredbury and Brinnington. And it would also make these people happy, of course: http://reddish.dsracing.me.uk/
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Its a very difficult task to persuade people to get out of their cars no matter how good or inexpensive public transport is.
A friend of mine was involved in a consultation exercise in 2012. It concerned the GMPTE travel passes that are given to the over - sixties enabling them to travel through the county on bus/train free of charge. My friend said that one of the facts that came to light during this exercise was that these passes had maximum take up and then maximum usage for a short period after their issue. Then gradually this usage dropped of once the novelty value wore off and as people got back into their cars. In the end many people were not using them at all despite their travel being completely free they still preferred to pay and drive their cars.
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It concerned the GMPTE travel passes that are given to the over - sixties enabling them to travel through the county on bus/train free of charge.
In the end many people were not using them at all despite their travel being completely free they still preferred to pay and drive their cars.
But travel to work, has many more problems with traffic jams, costly all day parking etc.
The money cost of using my car for most trips is so low that it is not a factor, so to get me out of my car the end to end experience must be better. I cannot even tell you the times of my local bus, however I know when the trains go, as driving into Manchester is no fun.
The parking costs in Marple have little effect on me, as I mostly part at the CoOp due as “top up shopping” and Amazon lockers are the only reasons I have to go into Marple often.