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Title: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Duke Fame on October 09, 2012, 10:09:44 PM
The referenced http://www.marpletowncentrestore.co.uk/ (http://www.marpletowncentrestore.co.uk/) isn't live yet, says "under construction", as I'd hoped to find out from there where the new sorting office will be.  Marple Area Committee minutes earlier this year noted http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/mgCommitteeDetails.aspx?ID=138 (http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/mgCommitteeDetails.aspx?ID=138) "A requirement of any development proposal will be to retain parking provision to serve the district centre, public realm improvements and the relocation of the Royal Mail sorting office."

I guess the reference to "high quality food retailer" in the booklet doesn't necessarily rule out LIDL / ALDI.

Well certainly in Germany Aldi would be regarded as a quality retailer and they regularly beat larger retailer including Waitrose in terms of their fruit and veg quality.



The likes of Waitrose are fur coat & no knickers shops. Foodies, would not shop there without an endorsement
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Harry on October 10, 2012, 09:39:35 AM
Well certainly in Germany Aldi would be regarded as a quality retailer ..........

I don't think so. I think Aldi are regarded in Germany much as they are regarded here.

The BerlinInfo web site includes Aldi in the 'stack'em high, sell 'em cheap´ category, which they also call 'downmarkets´.

Aldi also top the list of 'Cheap and nasty supermarkets:' according to them.

See the full article at http://www.berlinfo.com/Lifetime/Shopping/food/supermarkets/index.htm (http://www.berlinfo.com/Lifetime/Shopping/food/supermarkets/index.htm)

Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Victor M on October 10, 2012, 09:59:33 AM
People might be interested in the article printed recently in The Guardian  about ALDI
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/blog/2012/oct/08/aldi-supermarket-shopping-difference
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Tricky on October 10, 2012, 10:28:42 AM
People might be interested in the article printed recently in The Guardian  about ALDI
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/blog/2012/oct/08/aldi-supermarket-shopping-difference

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The Guardian - Comments

MANTARIK 08-10-12

Got to love these middle class poverty tourist types.

 :)
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: alstan on October 10, 2012, 04:17:49 PM
You probably already know that earlier this year UK consumers voted Aldi on to the short list for Supermarket of the Year (run by Which?) and that their panel of experts placed the company in first place, beating M&S and Waitrose on customer satisfaction, value for money, reliability and quality. They won the same award in 2009. Doesn’t get much better than that.

It doesn’t look to me as if they are regarded the same in Germany as they are here., Berlin Information Group’s (whoever they are) cheap and nasty or Which? Supermarket of the Year, take your pick. It’s not a difficult decision for me.

Then there was the blind wine tasting at this years International Wine and Spirit competition. Aldi entered a bottle of their own label £3.59 Tempranillo against French Grand Crus and others costing £30 a bottle. It won the silver medal , Aldi also won another 17 medals at the event including a Shiraz selling for £3.49. Their wine and spirits sales grew by 25.4% in the first 12 weeks of this year.

Aldi on Chadwick Street? Yes please.

Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: amazon on October 10, 2012, 04:20:51 PM
You probably already know that earlier this year UK consumers voted Aldi on to the short list for Supermarket of the Year (run by Which?) and that their panel of experts placed the company in first place, beating M&S and Waitrose on customer satisfaction, value for money, reliability and quality. They won the same award in 2009. Doesn’t get much better than that.

It doesn’t look to me as if they are regarded the same in Germany as they are here., Berlin Information Group’s (whoever they are) cheap and nasty or Which? Supermarket of the Year, take your pick. It’s not a difficult decision for me.

Then there was the blind wine tasting at this years International Wine and Spirit competition. Aldi entered a bottle of their own label £3.59 Tempranillo against French Grand Crus and others costing £30 a bottle. It won the silver medal , Aldi also won another 17 medals at the event including a Shiraz selling for £3.49. Their wine and spirits sales grew by 25.4% in the first 12 weeks of this year.

Aldi on Chadwick Street? Yes please.



No thank you  . Don't like aldi stuff
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Dave on October 10, 2012, 04:35:23 PM
Then there was the blind wine tasting at this years International Wine and Spirit competition. Aldi entered a bottle of their own label £3.59 Tempranillo against French Grand Crus and others costing £30 a bottle. It won the silver medal , Aldi also won another 17 medals at the event including a Shiraz selling for £3.49.

I'll drink to that!   :P
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: jethroh65 on October 10, 2012, 06:41:25 PM
You probably already know that earlier this year UK consumers voted Aldi on to the short list for Supermarket of the Year (run by Which?) and that their panel of experts placed the company in first place, beating M&S and Waitrose on customer satisfaction, value for money, reliability and quality. They won the same award in 2009. Doesn’t get much better than that.

It doesn’t look to me as if they are regarded the same in Germany as they are here., Berlin Information Group’s (whoever they are) cheap and nasty or Which? Supermarket of the Year, take your pick. It’s not a difficult decision for me.

Then there was the blind wine tasting at this years International Wine and Spirit competition. Aldi entered a bottle of their own label £3.59 Tempranillo against French Grand Crus and others costing £30 a bottle. It won the silver medal , Aldi also won another 17 medals at the event including a Shiraz selling for £3.49. Their wine and spirits sales grew by 25.4% in the first 12 weeks of this year.

Aldi on Chadwick Street? Yes please.



No thank you  . Don't like aldi stuff
Better than Asda!!! ::)
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: amazon on October 10, 2012, 06:58:41 PM
You probably already know that earlier this year UK consumers voted Aldi on to the short list for Supermarket of the Year (run by Which?) and that their panel of experts placed the company in first place, beating M&S and Waitrose on customer satisfaction, value for money, reliability and quality. They won the same award in 2009. Doesn’t get much better than that.

It doesn’t look to me as if they are regarded the same in Germany as they are here., Berlin Information Group’s (whoever they are) cheap and nasty or Which? Supermarket of the Year, take your pick. It’s not a difficult decision for me.

Then there was the blind wine tasting at this years International Wine and Spirit competition. Aldi entered a bottle of their own label £3.59 Tempranillo against French Grand Crus and others costing £30 a bottle. It won the silver medal , Aldi also won another 17 medals at the event including a Shiraz selling for £3.49. Their wine and spirits sales grew by 25.4% in the first 12 weeks of this year.

Aldi on Chadwick Street? Yes please.



No thank you  . Don't like aldi stuff
Better than Asda!!! ::)

No chance ,roll on ASDA .
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: thebigshed on October 10, 2012, 08:26:55 PM
How can anyone not like to be able to buy an angle grinder with their baked beans?
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Bluezorro on October 10, 2012, 08:42:27 PM
Maybe aldi could brand the supermarket as a 'waitrose outlet' then nobody would know that it was them.

Stack it high and sell it cheap.

Aldi are not known as a cheap supermarket in germany and holland.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Lily on October 10, 2012, 08:44:36 PM
And what's more, Aldi now sell Heinz Baked Beans (the best in my opinion) along with other branded goods.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Bluezorro on October 10, 2012, 08:57:04 PM
Asda would not fancy a margin busting battle with an aldi.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: JMC on October 10, 2012, 10:31:13 PM
I like Aldi. Yes it is a little 'odd' at first but the prices and products are great. I think a lot of people are just brand snobs and think cheap is aways awful without ever trying it.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Duke Fame on October 10, 2012, 11:05:02 PM
You probably already know that earlier this year UK consumers voted Aldi on to the short list for Supermarket of the Year (run by Which?) and that their panel of experts placed the company in first place, beating M&S and Waitrose on customer satisfaction, value for money, reliability and quality. They won the same award in 2009. Doesn’t get much better than that.

It doesn’t look to me as if they are regarded the same in Germany as they are here., Berlin Information Group’s (whoever they are) cheap and nasty or Which? Supermarket of the Year, take your pick. It’s not a difficult decision for me.

Then there was the blind wine tasting at this years International Wine and Spirit competition. Aldi entered a bottle of their own label £3.59 Tempranillo against French Grand Crus and others costing £30 a bottle. It won the silver medal , Aldi also won another 17 medals at the event including a Shiraz selling for £3.49. Their wine and spirits sales grew by 25.4% in the first 12 weeks of this year.

Aldi on Chadwick Street? Yes please.



No thank you  . Don't like aldi stuff
Better than Asda!!! ::)

No chance ,roll on ASDA .

Asda is quite good, it always leaves me with a sense of superiority
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Dave on October 11, 2012, 09:35:48 AM
I know what you mean, Duke.  You remind me of why I don't actually mind the Co-op - it's one of the few places where I still feel young.    :D
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Chris78 on October 11, 2012, 02:17:59 PM
Granted Aldi are a lot better than some people make them out to be, but when it boils down to it I think the majority of people (including Kirkland who know doubt are trying to attract a more prestigious supermarket name than Aldi) would say they are not regarded as a high quality food retailer. I don't think Aldi would be seen as a major anchor store for Marple nor would they attract enough people into the town which Kirkland have made out they are looking to get in their leaflet. I think given that Romiley has an Aldi, the way the development looks. i.e. its not a box standard off the self retail unit, the presentation of the leaflet with green banners and its text font, it just doesn't come across as an Aldi.

My thoughts are that Kirkland are in discussions with either Waitrose or M&S Simply Food. Both are more plausible than Aldi but to be left field and add yet another supermarket to the mix of discussion what about a Booths? They are a North West company, they are very selective in the whereabouts of their stores, have a good selection of local produced goods, invest in attractive buildings and employ people who are really knowledgeable and passionate about food. I know they are seen to be expensive and the Waitrose of the North but I think they would be a good fit for Marple.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Dave on October 11, 2012, 02:36:28 PM
Dream on Chris!  Great idea, but I can't see it, sadly.  :'( And isn't the plot a bit too small for a Booths? 
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Harry on October 11, 2012, 06:00:40 PM
It may not be too small Dave. The proposed development on Trinity Street has 25,000 sq ft of sales area, exactly the same as the proposed Asda store.

My preference would be an M&S Simply Food. Now that really would bring people into Marple.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Chris78 on October 11, 2012, 09:06:57 PM
The Booths at Clitheroe is nt that big nor is the M&S Simply Food at Hazel Grove. As like all the established supermarkets Waitrose have "Little Waitrose" so I don't think size necessarily matters.  ;)
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: alstan on October 12, 2012, 07:07:09 AM
Everybody seems to rave about Booths where is their nearest shop? I have never seen one so I will have to have a look.

Attract more people to Marple? I thought that was something we desperately needed to avoid. What has happened to the gridlock that we were going to be engulfed in?
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: marpleexile on October 12, 2012, 09:18:06 AM
Attract more people to Marple? I thought that was something we desperately needed to avoid. What has happened to the gridlock that we were going to be engulfed in?

I think you've missed the point. It's OK if Marple is in gridlock because people are visiting nice local stores, such as the Co-Op, Iceland, Superdrug, Boots, etc. But not if it's because they are visiting one of those nasty national chain stores such as Asda. Oh, wait, er......
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Cyberman on October 12, 2012, 12:01:49 PM
Re Gridlock - my concern (hope I'm not alone) is the extra traffic round Church Lane / Hibbert Lane and their junctions. Wouldn't be so bad if the new build was more central.

Re Booths - nearest store is probably Media City, Salford, which I use occasionaly. Also I think there's one in Knutsford. Good quality stuff, lots of luxury food items, well presented and informed staff... but expensive! Not an alternative to the Co-op for me. If they build one, perhaps we could also have a cable-car from Marple Bridge to Marple.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: alstan on October 12, 2012, 12:49:33 PM
Hi Cyberman. I am a bit puzzled and wonder if I have missed something. I had assumed that cars would access Chadwick Street along Hibbert Lane and Church Lane, is there likely to be another route?

I was forgetting, it wasn't just gridlock was it, there was also light pollution, air pollution, crime, noise, deliveries, especially going beep, beep, beep in reverse, our houses burning down because the volunteer emergency services can't get through the traffic, in fact just about everything that has ever been afflicted on mankind!
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Cyberman on October 12, 2012, 01:14:33 PM
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Hi Cyberman. I am a bit puzzled and wonder if I have missed something. I had assumed that cars would access Chadwick Street along Hibbert Lane and Church Lane, is there likely to be another route?

Well yes - straight off Stockport Rd, down Trinity St, the same way many drivers access the Chadwick St car park now. Also, folks could still use the Co-op car park which is only a short walk away.

And you forgot "fumes from the petrol station". 
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Chris78 on October 12, 2012, 02:21:11 PM
The Kirkland leaflet shows the rooftop car park to be taken off Trinity Street only. The back of shop lorry deliveries also seem to take access off Trinity Street in the same vicinity as the Icelands. Although the existing car park site is currently accessed off Chadwick Street this does nt appear to be the case with the new development, so really it should be known as the Trinity Street Development.

Going off the leaflet it would appear that the main access onto Trinity Street will be off Church Lane, as its only a one-way section off Stockport Road which I can't see being widened. As like any major development Kirkland / the Supermarket will have to do traffic studies and will probably have to invest in highway improvements of the surrounding roads as part of their planning application. My main concern is Church Lane (or Chirch Lane as the store at the roundabout likes to call it on their banner!  :D) as that defiantly needs sorted out supermarket or not.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: alstan on October 12, 2012, 04:59:07 PM
I didn't  mention fumes from the petrol station because it has not previously been mentioned on the forum, as far as I am aware. All of those mentioned are quotes from people previously expressing their fears in relation to the Hibbert Lane development.

I am not sure about Trinity Street, as has already been mentioned it is already one way and would presumably remain so and all those vehicles on Stockport Rd waiting to turn right into Trinity Street?
Anyway all will become clear next week.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Henry on October 13, 2012, 09:53:45 AM
Back to the original topic, what might the supermarket be on Chadwick Street: It's a reasonable assumption that the developer Kirkland has already struck a deal with one of the supermarkets dependent on planning permission being granted. It could be argued that it's unlikely Kirkland would make the major investment in site surveys, liaison with council planners, architects' drawings, leaflet production/distribution, consultation/exhibition costs etc etc without financial backing from one of the supermarkets.
So what clues do we have to the likely supermarket behind the Chadwick Street plans? As noted on this forum already, Kirkland developed a supermarket in Bury or Bolton for Aldi relatively recently. The first Kirkland press release was issued for them by Lexington Communications which provides lobbying services to Tesco. The Kirkland Developments leaflet distributed to residents used the typeface and green colouring that closely matches that used by Waitrose.
I wonder which "high quality food retailer" it will be that is coming to Marple?
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: wheels on October 13, 2012, 03:15:21 PM
And this is what Saga have to say about Aldi

http://www.saga.co.uk/health/weight-loss/judith-wills-diet-challenge/2012/october/5-low-cost-supermarkets-with-hidden-slimming-benefits.aspx?smagnl=432
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: amazon on October 13, 2012, 03:56:31 PM
Everybody seems to rave about Booths where is their nearest shop? I have never seen one so I will have to have a look.

Attract more people to Marple? I thought that was something we desperately needed to avoid. What has happened to the gridlock that we were going to be engulfed in?

If ASDA don't come you won't attract people to marple they will go out of town to do there supermarket shop
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: amazon on October 13, 2012, 04:00:24 PM
Hi Cyberman. I am a bit puzzled and wonder if I have missed something. I had assumed that cars would access Chadwick Street along Hibbert Lane and Church Lane, is there likely to be another route?

I was forgetting, it wasn't just gridlock was it, there was also light pollution, air pollution, crime, noise, deliveries, especially going beep, beep, beep in reverse, our houses burning down because the volunteer emergency services can't get through the traffic, in fact just about everything that has ever been afflicted on mankind!
Why don't we close Marple down then it will be the nice sleepy village some of you seem to want .
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: wheels on October 13, 2012, 04:15:42 PM
Hi Cyberman. I am a bit puzzled and wonder if I have missed something. I had assumed that cars would access Chadwick Street along Hibbert Lane and Church Lane, is there likely to be another route?

I was forgetting, it wasn't just gridlock was it, there was also light pollution, air pollution, crime, noise, deliveries, especially going beep, beep, beep in reverse, our houses burning down because the volunteer emergency services can't get through the traffic, in fact just about everything that has ever been afflicted on mankind!
Why don't we close Marple down then it will be the nice sleepy village some of you seem to want .

Yes some of them seem to believe our industrial town is a village. Mind you a village needs a village shop.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: amazon on October 13, 2012, 05:05:26 PM
Hi Cyberman. I am a bit puzzled and wonder if I have missed something. I had assumed that cars would access Chadwick Street along Hibbert Lane and Church Lane, is there likely to be another route?

I was forgetting, it wasn't just gridlock was it, there was also light pollution, air pollution, crime, noise, deliveries, especially going beep, beep, beep in reverse, our houses burning down because the volunteer emergency services can't get through the traffic, in fact just about everything that has ever been afflicted on mankind!
Why don't we close Marple down then it will be the nice sleepy village some of you seem to want .

Yes some of them seem to believe our industrial town is a village. Mind you a village needs a village shop.

Coarse it does a nice village ASDA .
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: simonesaffron on October 14, 2012, 07:38:16 AM
Trinity Street versus ASDA, it is an interesting situation.

ASDA is cut and dried apart from the small matter of the planning permission.

Kirkland, now that's going to be a difficult site to deliver. Firstly there is the issue of the relocation of the Sorting Office. My information is that they won't go unless the Council find them another suitable site in Marple - and up to now they haven't been able to do that. In addition to that Kirkland won't have a client. No client in their right mind would sign up until the ASDA situation has been resolved and that would include an appeal and no developer would seek a client until they can deliver the site. If we had three supermarkets in town; Co-op, ASDA and another, then they would all lose money.

As for planning permission, also complicated. Trinity Street is local Councillor driven they all want a supermarket in the centre. So it is likely that the Local Councillors will support Kirkland and deny ASDA but is that where it rests? Highways and Planning Committee may have last say and they are politicians. The way that I see it a lot of political damage can be done to the Lib Dems, both locally and throughout Stockport if ASDA comes to Hibbert Lane. Councillors are nothing else if not petulant and they love political point scoring even those in the same party hold grudges against others.

The success of each scheme now depends upon the other's failure, in addition to this who is to say that ASDA won't abandon CAMSFC and become Kirkland's client in a kind of plan B thus saving themselves the cost of the College refurbishment and still gaining the presence that they want in Marple.   

Interesting eh ?   
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Dave on October 14, 2012, 07:19:02 PM
I think it's a bit confusing to refer to Asda as 'saving themselves the cost of the College refurbishment'. If the Hibbert Lane scheme goes ahead, Asda will have bought the site from the college. It will not be directly paying for the college refurbishment.

As for whether it would be cheaper ('Asda price!') for Asda to acquire Chadwick St instead, we should not assume that because the Hibbert Lane site is bigger, it will necessarily be a more expensive scheme than Chadwick Street. There's a whole heap of other factors in that financial equation.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: simonesaffron on October 15, 2012, 10:06:47 AM
I think it's a bit confusing to refer to Asda as 'saving themselves the cost of the College refurbishment'. If the Hibbert Lane scheme goes ahead, Asda will have bought the site from the college. It will not be directly paying for the college refurbishment.

As for whether it would be cheaper ('Asda price!') for Asda to acquire Chadwick St instead, we should not assume that because the Hibbert Lane site is bigger, it will necessarily be a more expensive scheme than Chadwick Street. There's a whole heap of other factors in that financial equation.

When I refer to the cost of the refurbishment I don't just mean the land price although that is critical. ASDA have undertaken to do the College refurbishment themselves or at least with their own contractors so there is a management/cost implication. In addition to this they (ASDA) have clearly stated that they will not start work on the Store until the College is finished. This delay will represent a loss in revenue whereas Trinity Street could be developed immediately. This bit is guesswork but with this in mind Trinity Street could be open  and trading 12/18months before Hibbert Lane. I don't know what revenues are expected from either of these new stores but Marple co-op has an annual gross turnover of £13m - even proportionally ASDA stand to lose a lot of money over a 12/18 month wait.     

Please tell me what these "whole heap of other factors" are ?
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Dave on October 15, 2012, 02:52:30 PM
Please tell me what these "whole heap of other factors" are ?

Here's a few for starters:

1.  Gross retail area, which obviously has a significant bearing on takings.  The Hibbert lane is likely to have more net space, and therefore a higher projected turnover.
2.  Access and construction issues.  Hibbert Lane is a level site and should be easy (and therefore cheap) to build on - plenty of space for plant and site cabins, easy access for lorries. Chadwick/Trinity Street is on a slope and is a more constricted site - less room for access, cabins, tower crane etc. Therefore likely to be a more costly build.
3.  Hibbert Lane will have a fuel forecourt, unlike Chadwick Street.  Therefore significantly more revenue.
4.  Geology/decontamination.  Chadwick Street may have an industrial past (I don't know, just guessing), which may mean decontamination costs. 

So Chadwick Street may be a more economic option for Asda than Hibbert Lane - or it may not.  Without detailed and expert analysis, we really can't know.   

Meanwhile, this is very interesting: 
ASDA have undertaken to do the College refurbishment themselves or at least with their own contractors

What's your source for that, Simone? 
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: alstan on October 15, 2012, 05:01:35 PM
Dave , I think Simone may well be correct. I don't know if you saw my post on 26th September as follows
"I take your point with regard to funding Dave but Asda would have an interest in ensuring that the proceeds of the sale are spent on the rebuilding of Buxton Lane and would be equally reluctant to lose control of the funds until the work is completed.  Indeed they can hardly do so as they presumably cannot gain access to Hibbert Lane until the students move out into the newly built Buxton Lane premises. The entitlement of the college to the proceeds of the sale would probably arise at the same time as title in the Hibbert Lane site passed  and I would have thought that it would be possible to devise a contract whereby the proceeds of the sale are the construction by Asda of a new building on the Buxton Lane site on completion of which title in the Hibbert Lane site would pass to Asda.  Anyway I am only speculating and too much time has been wasted on that already."
It was written in response to a post of yours saying that there is no way that the college would allow Asda to have any control of the money once title had passed. However, the consideration under the contract of sale does not have to be cash and I think that, given Asda's complete dependence on the rebuilding of Buxton Lane, the consideration might well be the refurbishment of Buxton Lane by Asda.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Dave on October 15, 2012, 05:27:47 PM
Yes, I do remember that post, but as a former college governor I think it's highly unlikely that the college's legal advisors or their funding council (the EFA) would permit the college to procure a new building in such a roundabout way.  Even simple construction contracts are a lawyer's paradise, with complex legal agreements between all parties involved, and serious liabilities and penalties for any party which fails to comply with its contractual obligations.  The mind boggles at the legal agreements which would be required if a college building were contracted out to a supermarket, which the sub-contracted it to a construction firm!   It's all too risky. 

And why would anyone want to do it that way anyway?   I can't see any reason why 'Asda would have an interest in ensuring that the proceeds of the sale are spent on the rebuilding of Buxton Lane'. If the joint planning application is successful, the college and Asda will no doubt enter in to a binding agreement, with an agreed date for the completion of building works at Buxton Lane and the resulting vacating of Hibbert Lane by the college.  If Asda can't get on site at Hibbert Lane by the due date, because the Buxton Lane development has overrun, there will be penalties paid by the college to Asda.   
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: simonesaffron on October 15, 2012, 05:33:31 PM
Please tell me what these "whole heap of other factors" are ?

Here's a few for starters:

1.  Gross retail area, which obviously has a significant bearing on takings.  The Hibbert lane is likely to have more net space, and therefore a higher projected turnover.
2.  Access and construction issues.  Hibbert Lane is a level site and should be easy (and therefore cheap) to build on - plenty of space for plant and site cabins, easy access for lorries. Chadwick/Trinity Street is on a slope and is a more constricted site - less room for access, cabins, tower crane etc. Therefore likely to be a more costly build.
3.  Hibbert Lane will have a fuel forecourt, unlike Chadwick Street.  Therefore significantly more revenue.
4.  Geology/decontamination.  Chadwick Street may have an industrial past (I don't know, just guessing), which may mean decontamination costs. 

So Chadwick Street may be a more economic option for Asda than Hibbert Lane - or it may not.  Without detailed and expert analysis, we really can't know.   

Meanwhile, this is very interesting: 
ASDA have undertaken to do the College refurbishment themselves or at least with their own contractors

What's your source for that, Simone? 



Dave,

"Gross retail area", "access and construction issues", "decontamination," you're making it up by guessing and hoping. Fuel revenue, I'll concede on that one, fair point.

Don't actually recall my source, I would tell if I could. I thought that it was common knowledge, maybe it has just been said so many times that it has gone into folklore.   
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: simonesaffron on October 15, 2012, 05:46:57 PM
It's all to do with the Joint Enabling/Planning Application and it gives answers to the questions How do we know that CAMSFC aren't just going to take the money and run ? What commitment does ASDA have to the education of young people in Marple? Maybe not too convincing to those that are tinged with cynicism answers but answers nevertheless. 
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Dave on October 15, 2012, 06:30:33 PM
"Gross retail area", "access and construction issues", "decontamination," you're making it up by guessing and hoping.

What I'm trying to argue, Simone, is simply that these factors are unknowns.  So we can't necessarily assume that Chadwick Street would be a financially more attractive proposition for Asda than Hibbert Lane, which is what I thought you were implying when you wrote:
who is to say that ASDA won't abandon CAMSFC and become Kirkland's client in a kind of plan B thus saving themselves the cost of the College refurbishment and still gaining the presence that they want in Marple.  

And believe me, Hibbert Lane will almost certainly be a much easier and cheaper site to build on than Chadwick Street would be - that is self-evident.

As for this:
I thought that it was common knowledge.

....in that case we can safely discount it.   ;)
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: simonesaffron on October 16, 2012, 07:56:46 AM
Dave,

In the absence of absolutes we have to make assumptions without which there would be silence. The danger to informed opinion is when we attempt to substantiate our assumptions as absolutes or even worse when we believe that we have done so. 
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: amazon on October 16, 2012, 10:57:43 AM
Dave,

In the absence of absolutes we have to make assumptions without which there would be silence. The danger to informed opinion is when we attempt to substantiate our assumptions as absolutes or even worse when we believe that we have done so. 
Would you like to translate that Simon please
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: simonesaffron on October 16, 2012, 11:46:48 AM
Afraid I can't Amazon, I speak as I spake - so to speak.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Dave on October 16, 2012, 03:00:04 PM
The danger to informed opinion is when we attempt to substantiate our assumptions as absolutes or even worse when we believe that we have done so. 

You mean like this?
ASDA have undertaken to do the College refurbishment themselves or at least with their own contractors

I thought that it was common knowledge, maybe it has just been said so many times that it has gone into folklore. 
   ;)


Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: simonesaffron on October 16, 2012, 10:52:41 PM
The danger to informed opinion is when we attempt to substantiate our assumptions as absolutes or even worse when we believe that we have done so. 

You mean like this?
ASDA have undertaken to do the College refurbishment themselves or at least with their own contractors

I thought that it was common knowledge, maybe it has just been said so many times that it has gone into folklore. 
   ;)




You seem to be spending a lot of time these days Dave, in a state of vicarious writing. 
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: wheels on October 16, 2012, 11:09:57 PM
The danger to informed opinion is when we attempt to substantiate our assumptions as absolutes or even worse when we believe that we have done so. 

You mean like this?
ASDA have undertaken to do the College refurbishment themselves or at least with their own contractors

I thought that it was common knowledge, maybe it has just been said so many times that it has gone into folklore. 
   ;)




You seem to be spending a lot of time these days Dave, in a state of vicarious writing. 

What you on Simone you hav not been making any sense for the last couple of days
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: simonesaffron on October 17, 2012, 08:06:07 AM
Wheels,

That is always assuming that I have ever made any in the past.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: My login is Henrietta on November 16, 2012, 05:06:28 AM
I like Aldi. Yes it is a little 'odd' at first but the prices and products are great. I think a lot of people are just brand snobs and think cheap is aways awful without ever trying it.
There's a lot of silly snobbery about Aldi - mostly from people who've never shopped there. Aldi's run-of-the-mill products  are good quality and stand up well to more famous brands (Corale baked beans - much nicer than Heinz!) and they have a lot of lines which would be on the speciality food shelves at inflated prices in "posher" supermarkets. The staff are pleasant and helpful and the stores' rather arcane selections of cooking pots, gardening stuff, clothing, tools, etc., etc., are always entertaining and often useful.

I shop in Aldi about once a month when I'm passing but do all my greengrocery, meat and bakery shopping in independent shops in Marple, have my milk delivered by a local firm and use the Co-op for "emergencies". Whilst my heart would like Waitrose on Chadwick Street, my head thinks Aldi would be a better bet!
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: amazon on November 16, 2012, 03:20:20 PM
I like Aldi. Yes it is a little 'odd' at first but the prices and products are great. I think a lot of people are just brand snobs and think cheap is aways awful without ever trying it.
There's a lot of silly snobbery about Aldi - mostly from people who've never shopped there. Aldi's run-of-the-mill products  are good quality and stand up well to more famous brands (Corale baked beans - much nicer than Heinz!) and they have a lot of lines which would be on the speciality food shelves at inflated prices in "posher" supermarkets. The staff are pleasant and helpful and the stores' rather arcane selections of cooking pots, gardening stuff, clothing, tools, etc., etc., are always entertaining and often useful.

I shop in Aldi about once a month when I'm passing but do all my greengrocery, meat and bakery shopping in independent shops in Marple, have my milk delivered by a local firm and use the Co-op for "emergencies". Whilst my heart would like Waitrose on Chadwick Street, my head thinks Aldi would be a better bet!

Glad you think so .i preference Asda really .wii be a lot easier when it comes to marple .
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: JMC on November 26, 2012, 10:03:32 AM
Does anyone think we will end up with a supermarket on both sites?
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Victor M on November 26, 2012, 04:25:30 PM
Quote
Does anyone think we will end up with a supermarket on both sites?

I asked Kirkland that question at their consultation event and they stated that if planning permission was given for Hibbert Lane then no one would be interested in developing Chadwick St car park. So the answer is we will get one or the other but not both.

As for which Supermarket, @ 26,000 sq ft it would make it the biggest Waitrose in the North West, so not likely and it is too big for M&S or Aldi. That only leaves Sainsbury's, Morrisons or Tesco. As Tesco were interested in the Hibbert Lane site I'd put my money on Tesco or as an outside bet ASDA, but then I'm not a betting man.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: JMC on November 26, 2012, 04:46:50 PM
I asked Kirkland that question at their consultation event and they stated that if planning permission was given for Hibbert Lane then no one would be interested in developing Chadwick St car park. So the answer is we will get one or the other but not both.
As for which Supermarket, @ 26,000 sq ft it would make it the biggest Waitrose in the North West, so not likely and it is too big for M&S or Aldi. That only leaves Sainsbury's, Morrisons or Tesco. As Tesco were interested in the Hibbert Lane site I'd put my money on Tesco or as an outside bet ASDA, but then I'm not a betting man.

Thanks Victor, that is very interesting.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: JMC on November 26, 2012, 04:48:06 PM
Just a thought. Is there any way it could be two smaller retailers within one unit? Maybe Waitrose and Aldi for example?
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Bluezorro on November 26, 2012, 09:16:46 PM
I think kirkland are playing games.
A waitrose at chadwick street would still be viable even if  asda opened on hibbert lane.

Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: admin on November 26, 2012, 09:24:50 PM
Just a thought. Is there any way it could be two smaller retailers within one unit? Maybe Waitrose and Aldi for example?

There is the facility for two outlets in the Kirkland Design one large and one small - although the smaller one could possibly be on two floors - this was one of the things explained to me by the architect when I went to the consultation.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: JMC on November 27, 2012, 09:44:36 AM
There is the facility for two outlets in the Kirkland Design one large and one small - although the smaller one could possibly be on two floors - this was one of the things explained to me by the architect when I went to the consultation.

Thank you, that is interesting. It would be disappointing if both were expensive stores such as M&S and Waitrose. We need a cheaper store such as Aldi or Asda to compete with the Co-op and help Marple's lower income residents. I heard that Aldi was definately a non contender but not sure if that is a rumour or fact.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Maria on November 27, 2012, 01:45:23 PM
JMC I agree, an ALDI would be perfect and would provide competition as against the Co-op.

I would not really like a Waitrose and do not see how it would benefit the vast majority of Marple residents.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: rsh on December 03, 2012, 07:58:24 PM
Just a thought. Is there any way it could be two smaller retailers within one unit? Maybe Waitrose and Aldi for example?

There is the facility for two outlets in the Kirkland Design one large and one small - although the smaller one could possibly be on two floors - this was one of the things explained to me by the architect when I went to the consultation.
Two floors - almost sounds like it'd make a restaurant or cafe unit, perhaps?

There's no way two competing food retailers would take units next to each other here, and I still can't see it being an Aldi as it would surely only cannibalise their sales from Hazel Grove and Romiley (and in future Offerton), for the cost of a very expensive development with the rooftop car park. For Waitrose it'd be an absolute winner; just as people want a cheaper supermarket like Asda, there's plenty of affluence in Marple which also surely doesn't shop at the Co-op (where prices are similar yet quality, service and range are rather sub-standard). They'd make a strong "anchor" for the town centre and hopefully offset any negative pull from Asda.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: rsh on March 03, 2013, 05:05:30 PM
Only just noticed that the architects on the plans are Fairhursts, whose only previous supermarket scheme appears to have been for, wait for it... http://www.fairhursts.com/projectsStageThree.php?id=63
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: amazon on March 03, 2013, 05:09:52 PM
Only just noticed that the architects on the plans are Fairhursts, whose only previous supermarket scheme appears to have been for, wait for it... http://www.fairhursts.com/projectsStageThree.php?id=63
if

If waitrose come will make the coop look cheap .
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Henry on March 03, 2013, 06:38:31 PM
That's interesting, RSH. I think the developer Kirkland has already struck a deal with one of the supermarkets (depending on planning permission being granted). Kirklands have made a huge investment in site surveys, liaison with council planners, architects' drawings, videos, leaflet production/distribution, consultation/exhibition costs etc - this will already have run into six figures I am sure. Does Kirklands have the financial resources to do that without financial backing from one of the supermarkets? Would a bank advance that sort of money to Kirklands without a commitment from a supermarket in place?
In a previous posting, clues to the likely supermarket behind the Chadwick Street plans were discussed. Kirkland developed a supermarket in Bury or Bolton for Aldi relatively recently. The first Kirkland press release was issued for them by Lexington Communications which provides lobbying services to Tesco. The Kirkland Developments leaflet distributed to residents used the typeface and green colouring that closely matches that used by Waitrose. Now RSH reveals that Fairhursts were also architects for a another Waitrose development. Let the speculation (and detective work) continue!
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: amazon on March 03, 2013, 08:23:45 PM
That's interesting, RSH. I think the developer Kirkland has already struck a deal with one of the supermarkets (depending on planning permission being granted). Kirklands have made a huge investment in site surveys, liaison with council planners, architects' drawings, videos, leaflet production/distribution, consultation/exhibition costs etc - this will already have run into six figures I am sure. Does Kirklands have the financial resources to do that without financial backing from one of the supermarkets? Would a bank advance that sort of money to Kirklands without a commitment from a supermarket in place?
In a previous posting, clues to the likely supermarket behind the Chadwick Street plans were discussed. Kirkland developed a supermarket in Bury or Bolton for Aldi relatively recently. The first Kirkland press release was issued for them by Lexington Communications which provides lobbying services to Tesco. The Kirkland Developments leaflet distributed to residents used the typeface and green colouring that closely matches that used by Waitrose. Now RSH reveals that Fairhursts were also architects for a another Waitrose development. Let the speculation (and detective work) continue!

I still think ASDA will come .
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Bluezorro on March 03, 2013, 10:08:36 PM
Asda will still come where?
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Duke Fame on March 03, 2013, 11:11:31 PM
Only just noticed that the architects on the plans are Fairhursts, whose only previous supermarket scheme appears to have been for, wait for it... http://www.fairhursts.com/projectsStageThree.php?id=63
if

If waitrose come will make the coop look cheap .

If waitrose come it will make the Peruga look cheap
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Bluezorro on March 03, 2013, 11:52:11 PM
"As part of the plans, Kirkland is proposing an attractive seating area/beer garden to the rear of the Bull's Head pub"

I bet waitrose would love the patrons of the bull sitting outside the posh new supermarket entrance.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Bluezorro on March 04, 2013, 12:09:38 AM
Theres not even enough car park places for the supermarket staff.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Miss C on March 04, 2013, 09:52:00 AM
I don't think Waitrose is more expensive than the Co-op. Honestly. And the food is better quality. The Co-op is very over priced with poor selection and or customer service.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Dave on March 04, 2013, 10:55:29 AM
A very good point, Miss C.  From my own experience I'm sure you're right about that. 
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: amazon on March 04, 2013, 11:34:41 AM
That's interesting, RSH. I think the developer Kirkland has already struck a deal with one of the supermarkets (depending on planning permission being granted). Kirklands have made a huge investment in site surveys, liaison with council planners, architects' drawings, videos, leaflet production/distribution, consultation/exhibition costs etc - this will already have run into six figures I am sure. Does Kirklands have the financial resources to do that without financial backing from one of the supermarkets? Would a bank advance that sort of money to Kirklands without a commitment from a supermarket in place?
In a previous posting, clues to the likely supermarket behind the Chadwick Street plans were discussed. Kirkland developed a supermarket in Bury or Bolton for Aldi relatively recently. The first Kirkland press release was issued for them by Lexington Communications which provides lobbying services to Tesco. The Kirkland Developments leaflet distributed to residents used the typeface and green colouring that closely matches that used by Waitrose. Now RSH reveals that Fairhursts were also architects for a another Waitrose development. Let the speculation (and detective work) continue!

I still think ASDA will come . To Chadwick street .
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Duke Fame on March 04, 2013, 01:57:00 PM
I don't think Waitrose is more expensive than the Co-op. Honestly. And the food is better quality. The Co-op is very over priced with poor selection and or customer service.

Having worked in a supermarket when at college, as far as fruit and veg is concerned, pretty much all supermarket produce comes from the same place with the exception of Moggys. Quite often in Tesco, we'd get boxes of toms etc with the wrong labels on, be that Sainsbury, Waitrose, Coop
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: JMC on March 04, 2013, 02:02:45 PM
They have hinted at it being a 'high quality' retailer. This would certainly appease many of MIA who are vocal about Tesco/Asda being evil capitalist giants they do not want in Marple. I would guess it is a Waitrose. However this still leaves a gap in Marple for those on low incomes that need the convenience of a supermarket. To them it will seem that MIA/snobbery/hypocrisy has taken place.

I also have a feeling that IF Asda is turned down at appeal and Trinity goes ahead, MIA may then decide to protest. Especially if it turns out it would be Tesco/Asda/Aldi/Lidl. They can't seem to make their minds up and many arguments they put forward  against HL also apply to TS eg. traffic choas, driving local shops out etc.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Bluezorro on March 04, 2013, 03:22:24 PM
Mia would not oppose chadwick st regardless of the supermarket.
The only reason asda was not granted planning permission was the alternative site at chadwick st.
If there was no chadwick st asda would have more chance for appeal.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Bowden Guy on March 04, 2013, 04:14:39 PM
Pardon my ignorance buit has anyone seen a valuation of the Chadwick Strret published anywhere? (ie what the Council would get as a recipt if sold)
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: amazon on March 04, 2013, 07:42:53 PM
They have hinted at it being a 'high quality' retailer. This would certainly appease many of MIA who are vocal about Tesco/Asda being evil capitalist giants they do not want in Marple. I would guess it is a Waitrose. However this still leaves a gap in Marple for those on low incomes that need the convenience of a supermarket. To them it will seem that MIA/snobbery/hypocrisy has taken place.

I also have a feeling that IF Asda is turned down at appeal and Trinity goes ahead, MIA may then decide to protest. Especially if it turns out it would be Tesco/Asda/Aldi/Lidl. They can't seem to make their minds up and many arguments they put forward  against HL also apply to TS eg. traffic choas, driving local shops out etc.

Good post don't they think that is a supermarket comes to Chadwick street it won't affect the same shops that they say will be affected if ASDA comes . Crazy. That supermarket will be selling the things that ASDA said they won't sell .
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: amazon on March 04, 2013, 07:46:35 PM
Pardon my ignorance buit has anyone seen a valuation of the Chadwick Strret published anywhere? (ie what the Council would get as a recipt if sold)

If the councillor had owned the ridge don't think there would have been a problem with permission for a supermarket ..on there .
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: alan@marple on March 04, 2013, 09:05:07 PM
Aldi I reckon
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Bluezorro on March 04, 2013, 09:14:16 PM
Judging by the amount of times i see the ocado van in marple, waitrose seem to be doing very well already.
Whereas aldi and morrisons do not have home delivery services.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Howard on March 04, 2013, 09:14:54 PM
If the councillor had owned the ridge don't think there would have been a problem with permission for a supermarket ..on there .

Which councillor do you mean, and why would they own the ridge?
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Bluezorro on March 04, 2013, 09:29:34 PM
Think they mean if the council owned hibbert lane instead of gifting it to the college.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Dave on March 05, 2013, 05:01:41 AM
I wouldn't call it a gift.  The law forced them to do it. 
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: amazon on March 05, 2013, 11:31:23 AM
If the councillor had owned the ridge don't think there would have been a problem with permission for a supermarket ..on there .

Which councillor do you mean, and why would they own the ridge?

I should have said councill .thank you once again for correcting me .
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Duke Fame on March 05, 2013, 01:47:34 PM
Aldi I reckon

Given the Aldi at Romily & Hazel Grove, I think Aldi is the one option that can be ruled out. Asda or Morrisons would be the keenest.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: richard on March 05, 2013, 09:08:04 PM
At this stage I don't think that they have anybody in place. Anything is pure speculation and to think otherwise is foolish. If Kirkland developments have any Interested parties then they should let us know, however, I think that site is going to be a huge cost to develop and that may put off certain chains.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Harry on March 05, 2013, 09:34:01 PM
Given the Aldi at Romily & Hazel Grove, I think Aldi is the one option that can be ruled out. Asda or Morrisons would be the keenest.

Why do you say that Duke?

Aldi are about to open a new store in Offerton and their web site indicates that they are looking for a suitable site in Marple.

The Trinity site does look too large for Aldi though.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Bluezorro on March 05, 2013, 10:14:54 PM
Aldi Romiley covers a large area, from Romiley out to New Mills and everything between.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: wheels on March 05, 2013, 10:30:21 PM
I would have thought the suburb of Marple and that site areboth perfects matchesfor Aldi.

Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Duke Fame on March 05, 2013, 11:03:53 PM
Given the Aldi at Romily & Hazel Grove, I think Aldi is the one option that can be ruled out. Asda or Morrisons would be the keenest.

Why do you say that Duke?

Aldi are about to open a new store in Offerton and their web site indicates that they are looking for a suitable site in Marple.

The Trinity site does look too large for Aldi though.

I think Aldi have Marple covered with Romily whatever supermarket hooks up at Marple unless it turns out to be Lidl. Essentially, the Marple Aldi shopper will go to Romily if Tesco, Sains, Wait, Moggys, Asda etc moves in
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: jethroh65 on March 06, 2013, 07:21:24 AM
Given the Aldi at Romily & Hazel Grove, I think Aldi is the one option that can be ruled out. Asda or Morrisons would be the keenest.

Why do you say that Duke?

Aldi are about to open a new store in Offerton and their web site indicates that they are looking for a suitable site in Marple.

The Trinity site does look too large for Aldi though.

I think Aldi have Marple covered with Romily whatever supermarket hooks up at Marple unless it turns out to be Lidl. Essentially, the Marple Aldi shopper will go to Romily if Tesco, Sains, Wait, Moggys, Asda etc moves in
Well it's clear on Aldi's website they are interested in Marple properties.

http://www.aldi.co.uk/uk/html/company/13951_15547.htm

Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Bluezorro on March 06, 2013, 07:34:47 AM
Do you know how long it takes to walk to aldi romiley?
Of course aldi would want to come to marple.
Even coming back from romiley viia the canal i think i am going to lose my shopping trolley or mr zorro in the canal after its rained.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Duke Fame on March 06, 2013, 11:37:24 AM
Given the Aldi at Romily & Hazel Grove, I think Aldi is the one option that can be ruled out. Asda or Morrisons would be the keenest.

Why do you say that Duke?

Aldi are about to open a new store in Offerton and their web site indicates that they are looking for a suitable site in Marple.

The Trinity site does look too large for Aldi though.

I think Aldi have Marple covered with Romily whatever supermarket hooks up at Marple unless it turns out to be Lidl. Essentially, the Marple Aldi shopper will go to Romily if Tesco, Sains, Wait, Moggys, Asda etc moves in
Well it's clear on Aldi's website they are interested in Marple properties.

http://www.aldi.co.uk/uk/html/company/13951_15547.htm



They're bluffing ;-)

I'm surprised for the reasons given and would think that given strategies of the respective businesses, Moggy's would value the opportunity higher.
 
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Howard on March 06, 2013, 12:02:03 PM
Are you sure Aldi are really bluffing? They already have stores in Cheadle, Hyde, Romiley, Hazel Grove, Stockport, Heaton Chapel, Glossop, Stalybridge and Ashton. All within about 6 miles of each other. They seem to be dropping them in wherever they can no matter where other stores are as evidenced by the proposed one on Lisburne Lane in Offerton.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: sooty2 on March 06, 2013, 12:47:21 PM
I was told by an Aldi manager in July last year that Aldi were interested in the Chadwick Street site.In October last year I was in the company of four Aldi managers at a social event who told me the same. I know a store is planned for Offerton which may change their plans for Marple. I have heard on the grapevine that Kirkland will not on this occasion be working with Aldi. This may or may not be true.
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: wheels on March 06, 2013, 01:26:22 PM
I was told by an Aldi manager in July last year that Aldi were interested in the Chadwick Street site.In October last year I was in the company of four Aldi managers at a social event who told me the same. I know a store is planned for Offerton which may change their plans for Marple. I have heard on the grapevine that Kirkland will not on this occasion be working with Aldi. This may or may not be true.

Shame if its not Aldi, they are such a perfect fit for Marple
Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Duke Fame on March 06, 2013, 01:43:15 PM
Are you sure Aldi are really bluffing? They already have stores in Cheadle, Hyde, Romiley, Hazel Grove, Stockport, Heaton Chapel, Glossop, Stalybridge and Ashton. All within about 6 miles of each other. They seem to be dropping them in wherever they can no matter where other stores are as evidenced by the proposed one on Lisburne Lane in Offerton.

No I'm not sure at all, hence the ;-)

Just surprised, I drop into the Romily one when I go to the gym or passing by so i see it as an overlap of territory.

Title: Re: Speculation about which Supermarket it might be
Post by: Duke Fame on March 06, 2013, 02:16:02 PM
I was told by an Aldi manager in July last year that Aldi were interested in the Chadwick Street site.In October last year I was in the company of four Aldi managers at a social event who told me the same. I know a store is planned for Offerton which may change their plans for Marple. I have heard on the grapevine that Kirkland will not on this occasion be working with Aldi. This may or may not be true.

Shame if its not Aldi, they are such a perfect fit for Marple

They certainly will be most welcome and as you say, a perfect fit considering the co-op's slight premium for ethical sourcing etc.

I'd have thought that Aldi tend not to go for AN Other development, most (all?) of their sites are vey much brownfield & complete rebuild developments of their own standard design.