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Archive => Archived Boards => Sale of Hibbert Lane Campus to Supermarket Chain => Topic started by: admin on July 03, 2012, 08:01:30 PM
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Andrew Hubert of CAMSFC has asked if this statement and two communications that are being distributed to Marple Residents can be placed on the web site:
“The College and ASDA will hold a two day public exhibition on Friday 06th and Saturday 07th July. This will allow the public to view and comment on the proposals for the developments at Hibbert Lane and Buxton Lane. The times of the exhibitions will be 10am -8 pm on the Friday and 10am to 5pm on the Saturday. The venue will be in the Dance Studio of the Buxton Lane building . This will be accessible by a door directly into the room which is off the side of the building facing the playing fields and will be sign posted on the day. There will be no access through the main College building or reception. On Friday 06th there will be no available car parking on the site until after 5pm but there will be limited car parking available on the Saturday”
One of the attachments is the college's leaflet that has been posted already but the other is a similar document showing Adsa's plans, which will be the first time many of you have seen them.
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I note they don't indicate the the opening hours of the proposed supermarket. A late-night opening store that close to houses would not improve the residents quality of life. Hope they sell cheap earplugs. Also the feedback questions are very selective - e.g. "would it reduce car journeys out of town for weekly shopping" ... possibly yes. But where is "would it increase journeys into town by non-residents" ... probably yes too! These WalMart characters are extremely cunning.
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In the ASDA document, it states that it will be "slightly" bigger than the Co-op.
25,000 sq ft sales area as opposed to 17,000 sq ft.
My maths isn't brilliant but that is just less than 50% bigger, so a bit more than slightly bigger.
The questionnaire on the back is an embarrassment.
For Example.
5 Would the residents have of Marple like cheaper petrol ? No we would like it more expensive if possible please, at least £1.50 a Litre.
6. Asda will safe guard the open space. They have no choice in that do they?
There is no mention of a Pharmacy as mentioned in previous posts.
I have posted my comments regarding the "alleged" reduction traffic on more than one occasion.
Asda say they only think it will reduce traffic!!!I still disagree.
"Local towns have thrived when a new supermarket has been built".
Bredbury hasn't thrived since Morrisons was built, Bredbury has no centre, there is just more Traffic Jams which are caused by people driving through it partly to get to & from Morrisons.
Hyde, since Asda was built there, the market has nearly vanished and many more smaller shops have closed
or become fast food places.
I honestly don't think we need another supermarket, maybe the ideal solution would be that Asda would take over the Co-op site ?
Admittedly I am biased given where I live, with both the expansion of Buxton and the "proposed" Asda
have I believe give a negative effect on my neighbourhood.
The New Supermarket is a convenience and not a necessity, it does not mean our quality of life will improve or our town will be a better place to live.
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I am not the only person who lives in the immediate vicinity who did not get a copy of ASDA's leaflet. Coincidence? I think not.
After 10 years the 'open space' can be built on. I know let's have a KFC etc and have a nice little retail park on there? Improve Marple? You must be joking.
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I am not the only person who lives in the immediate vicinity who did not get a copy of ASDA's leaflet. Coincidence? I think not.
After 10 years the 'open space' can be built on. I know let's have a KFC etc and have a nice little retail park on there? Improve Marple? You must be joking.
No Leaflets in the Buxton Lane Area!!!
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I am not the only person who lives in the immediate vicinity who did not get a copy of ASDA's leaflet. Coincidence? I think not.
After 10 years the 'open space' can be built on. I know let's have a KFC etc and have a nice little retail park on there? Improve Marple? You must be joking.
I understand that view,but something has to be done to Marples shopping experience. It cannot be left as it is as it would continue to die just as if ASDAs presence would make it die. But overpriced local traders, with extremly poor customer service opening only when they feel like it are doing nothing for Marple either.
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I am not the only person who lives in the immediate vicinity who did not get a copy of ASDA's leaflet. Coincidence? I think not.
After 10 years the 'open space' can be built on. I know let's have a KFC etc and have a nice little retail park on there? Improve Marple? You must be joking.
I understand that view,but something has to be done to Marples shopping experience. It cannot be left as it is as it would continue to die just as if ASDAs presence would make it die. But overpriced local traders, with extremly poor customer service opening only when they feel like it are doing nothing for Marple either.
Agreed but I do not think this is the answer. The Marple Business Forum could do with reviewing the issues you raise such as opening hours and service etc.
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This may be a stupid question ??? But why can we not park on the car park at Buxton lane on those dates ?
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I am not the only person who lives in the immediate vicinity who did not get a copy of ASDA's leaflet. Coincidence? I think not.
After 10 years the 'open space' can be built on. I know let's have a KFC etc and have a nice little retail park on there? Improve Marple? You must be joking.
We didn't, Maria
Whilst I've felt MiA has been all hot air so far, now is the time for a constructive questonaire to counter the Asda one.
It will kill the town centre,
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I am not the only person who lives in the immediate vicinity who did not get a copy of ASDA's leaflet. Coincidence? I think not.
After 10 years the 'open space' can be built on. I know let's have a KFC etc and have a nice little retail park on there? Improve Marple? You must be joking.
I understand that view,but something has to be done to Marples shopping experience. It cannot be left as it is as it would continue to die just as if ASDAs presence would make it die. But overpriced local traders, with extremly poor customer service opening only when they feel like it are doing nothing for Marple either.
I don't see that argument, are the shops overpriced? We have two greengrocers, both sell better stuff than the supermarket and in most cases cheaper. Fish is far fresher from the guy next to the pub and no more expensive. The butcher is cheaper than supermarkets and better, Iceland is cheaper than Asda & for all the moans, the coop is OK.
I do think the shops should arrange a late night between them and maybe take some expanding foam to the car park ticket machines (I must say I've never bothered paying anyway)
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There are some interesting posts in the Trivia, posts removed from Tesco/Asda.You need to be logged in to read them.
(The interesting ones have now been moved to the Tesco/Asda thread. Admin).
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I wonder who they sent this leaflet to, as I live opposite the site and haven't received one, nor have either of my neighbours. Perhaps they haven't been posted yet.
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Just got mine today! live just off brook drive!
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Read it into what you will but I am not aware of anyone in the vicinity of the college who have received a leaflet the only person who I am aware of who has received one lives off Windlehust RD I have spoken to CAMSFC who inform me that the leaflets went last Friday They appear to be keeping the consultation very low key. I wonder why ! Make of this what you will :-\
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I live reasonably close and received mine this morning.
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I am not the only person who lives in the immediate vicinity who did not get a copy of ASDA's leaflet. Coincidence? I think not.
After 10 years the 'open space' can be built on. I know let's have a KFC etc and have a nice little retail park on there? Improve Marple? You must be joking.
I understand that view,but something has to be done to Marples shopping experience. It cannot be left as it is as it would continue to die just as if ASDAs presence would make it die. But overpriced local traders, with extremly poor customer service opening only when they feel like it are doing nothing for Marple either.
Yip most of the shops closed to day It's Wednesday .they must do okay if they can close Wednesday .
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In the ASDA document, it states that it will be "slightly" bigger than the Co-op.
25,000 sq ft sales area as opposed to 17,000 sq ft.
My maths isn't brilliant but that is just less than 50% bigger, so a bit more than slightly bigger.
The questionnaire on the back is an embarrassment.
For Example.
5 Would the residents have of Marple like cheaper petrol ? No we would like it more expensive if possible please, at least £1.50 a Litre.
6. Asda will safe guard the open space. They have no choice in that do they?
There is no mention of a Pharmacy as mentioned in previous posts.
I have posted my comments regarding the "alleged" reduction traffic on more than one occasion.
Asda say they only think it will reduce traffic!!!I still disagree.
"Local towns have thrived when a new supermarket has been built".
Bredbury hasn't thrived since Morrisons was built, Bredbury has no centre, there is just more Traffic Jams which are caused by people driving through it partly to get to & from Morrisons.
Hyde, since Asda was built there, the market has nearly vanished and many more smaller shops have closed
or become fast food places.
I honestly don't think we need another supermarket, maybe the ideal solution would be that Asda would take over the Co-op site ?
Admittedly I am biased given where I live, with both the expansion of Buxton and the "proposed" Asda
have I believe give a negative effect on my neighbourhood.
The New Supermarket is a convenience and not a necessity, it does not mean our quality of life will improve or our town will be a better place to live.
Bredbury never thrived before morrisons or Safeway came traffic is not queuing to morrisons it's queuing to get to the motorway that was never built it was like that before morrisons came .
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Read it into what you will but I am not aware of anyone in the vicinity of the college who have received a leaflet the only person who I am aware of who has received one lives off Windlehust RD I have spoken to CAMSFC who inform me that the leaflets went last Friday They appear to be keeping the consultation very low key. I wonder why ! Make of this what you will :-\
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How can it be low key when you say thousands of people know about it .why do you have to have a leaflet
We have this website .which thousands do use ,
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MIA have contacted CAMSFC regarding the leaflets. Walmart /asda have stated that they sent out 10,000 on Friday ? MIA offered to put banners up on the two campus sites to alert the public to the 2 day consultation period , but Walmart/asda declined our offer and have assured MIA that they will have banners up by tommorow morning. It has to be said that it's a very poor consultation by Walmart /Asda and CAMSFC when it's opposition has to take the lead and alert the. Community.
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In the ASDA document, it states that it will be "slightly" bigger than the Co-op.
25,000 sq ft sales area as opposed to 17,000 sq ft.
My maths isn't brilliant but that is just less than 50% bigger, so a bit more than slightly bigger.
The questionnaire on the back is an embarrassment.
For Example.
5 Would the residents have of Marple like cheaper petrol ? No we would like it more expensive if possible please, at least £1.50 a Litre.
6. Asda will safe guard the open space. They have no choice in that do they?
There is no mention of a Pharmacy as mentioned in previous posts.
I have posted my comments regarding the "alleged" reduction traffic on more than one occasion.
Asda say they only think it will reduce traffic!!!I still disagree.
"Local towns have thrived when a new supermarket has been built".
Bredbury hasn't thrived since Morrisons was built, Bredbury has no centre, there is just more Traffic Jams which are caused by people driving through it partly to get to & from Morrisons.
Hyde, since Asda was built there, the market has nearly vanished and many more smaller shops have closed
or become fast food places.
I honestly don't think we need another supermarket, maybe the ideal solution would be that Asda would take over the Co-op site ?
Admittedly I am biased given where I live, with both the expansion of Buxton and the "proposed" Asda
have I believe give a negative effect on my neighbourhood.
The New Supermarket is a convenience and not a necessity, it does not mean our quality of life will improve or our town will be a better place to live.
Bredbury never thrived before morrisons or Safeway came traffic is not queuing to morrisons it's queuing to get to the motorway that was never built it was like that before morrisons came .
This is going around in circles again but there are several small towns of comparable size to Marple close by - Glossop/Whaley Bridge/Buxton to name just 3 - which have large supermarkets slightly out of their town centres and thriving local shops in the middle. I and many others would expect the same thing to happen in Marple, and appear to have a lot more trust and respect for the traders and Marple than those in opposition to these changes - who seem to think that our local shops will just give up and close.
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MIA have contacted CAMSFC regarding the leaflets. Walmart /asda have stated that they sent out 10,000 on Friday ? MIA offered to put banners up on the two campus sites to alert the public to the 2 day consultation period , but Walmart/asda declined our offer and have assured MIA that they will have banners up by tommorow morning. It has to be said that it's a very poor consultation by Walmart /Asda and CAMSFC when it's opposition has to take the lead and alert the. Community.
I think it was Marple website that has done most to alert the community not Mia .
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MIA have contacted CAMSFC regarding the leaflets. Walmart /asda have stated that they sent out 10,000 on Friday ? MIA offered to put banners up on the two campus sites to alert the public to the 2 day consultation period , but Walmart/asda declined our offer and have assured MIA that they will have banners up by tommorow morning. It has to be said that it's a very poor consultation by Walmart /Asda and CAMSFC when it's opposition has to take the lead and alert the. Community.
Seriously, as if . . . . ::)
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Do you know what it's true ! And the college agreed if ASDA could not get them up in time. Don't believe me contact CAMSFC :-*
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Do you know what it's true ! And the college agreed if ASDA could not get them up in time. Don't believe me contact CAMSFC :-*
I do believe you, I mean as if they'd agree to MIA doing their publicity. I'm amazed the college agreed to it TBH.
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Read it into what you will but I am not aware of anyone in the vicinity of the college who have received a leaflet the only person who I am aware of who has received one lives off Windlehust RD I have spoken to CAMSFC who inform me that the leaflets went last Friday They appear to be keeping the consultation very low key. I wonder why ! Make of this what you will :-\
Its not a conspiracy. Its just downright incompetence.
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I live on Seven Stiles and Ive just got mine
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CAMSFC have emailed MIA to say that ASDA will put a banner up tomorrow ! You couldn't make it up could you. ;). Still no leaflet at my address or friends and family around the effected area. I know Walmart have told me they have delivered 10,000 leaflets but like a fool I forgot to ask where ??? Come on Walmart try to keep up !
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Do you know what it's true ! And the college agreed if ASDA could not get them up in time. Don't believe me contact CAMSFC :-*
I do believe you, I mean as if they'd agree to MIA doing their publicity. I'm amazed the college agreed to it TBH.
Sorry HWL I have misread your post. CAMSFC were going to allow MIA to put banners up to alert the public It was only when I pointed out that at this short notice it would be two White sheets hand painted and pinned on both sites. CAMSFC didn't think the sheets would look good and I think Walmart agreed . Walmart has now informed MIA that banners will be there tomorrow to alert the public. Which is bad news really as I have already purchased a small tin of black paint from Alan the paint! Oh well it will save for another day.
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I live on Seven Stiles and Ive just got mine
Is it any different from what's on the website .
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Amazon we are the privileged few not everyone has use of the Internet !
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Ive had my M.I.A newsletter through the letter box, but thats it ?? ( Woodville Dv )
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I had my CAMSFC letter and my ASDA letter delivered today, Rose Hill area
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I'm still amazed that the drawing shows that the store AND carpark occupies a space smaller than the current footprint of the college buildings.
I don't think many expected that. The open (green) space is actually bigger than it is currently and the landscaping will shield most residents.
Asda have played a good one here.. let MIA stir up hysteria.. then provide something which many will think isn't so bad.
It certainly is not a 24hr super-hyper-megastore that people were told it could be.
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But ten years down the line, they could extend on that land ?
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I'm still amazed that the drawing shows that the store AND carpark occupies a space smaller than the current footprint of the college buildings.
I don't think many expected that. The open (green) space is actually bigger than it is currently and the landscaping will shield most residents.
Asda have played a good one here.. let MIA stir up hysteria.. then provide something which many will think isn't so bad.
It certainly is not a 24hr super-hyper-megastore that people were told it could be.
It isn't now but what happens in 2020 when they decide to extend the store and sell of what's left to B & Q, KFC, Comet etc, to pay for the x10shun?
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In the ASDA document, it states that it will be "slightly" bigger than the Co-op.
25,000 sq ft sales area as opposed to 17,000 sq ft.
My maths isn't brilliant but that is just less than 50% bigger, so a bit more than slightly bigger.
Sales areas does not include back of house, offices etc either :/
The questionnaire on the back is an embarrassment.
For Example.
5 Would the residents have of Marple like cheaper petrol ? No we would like it more expensive if possible please, at least £1.50 a Litre.
Agreed. Blatantly worded to get the response they want. A child could see through that.
The 'any local charities' nonsense too. It marketing 101.
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But ten years down the line, they could extend on that land ?
To me this is a fundamental question, as this green plot looks like it is all set up ready for another development in the future.
So, can that green space NEVER be built on, or can it be built on in 10 years time? We keep hearing different takes on this. Does anyone know for sure?
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Paul Lawrence SMBC planning stated at the meeting in the park that MIA got them to hold outside that. The supermarket would probably be the size of Morrison's in Cheadle Heath, the developer could not build on all the 8.5 acres initially but after 10 years they can build on the whole development. Now that's what he said on 27th July 2011 whether that's now changed I don't know but it's a good question.
Also where's the community youth club and sports hall on Hibbert Lane going to be this is joint owned by CAMCFC and SMBC so should not be moved this is in the Deeds it's for community use on Hibbert Lane
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But ten years down the line, they could extend on that land ?
To me this is a fundamental question, as this green plot looks like it is all set up ready for another development in the future.
So, can that green space NEVER be built on, or can it be built on in 10 years time? We keep hearing different takes on this. Does anyone know for sure?
I agree they need badgering on this at the consultation to the point where some form of written commitment is made.
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building looks nice on the leaflet
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building looks nice on the leaflet
So did the New Rose Hill School it's what it looks like when it's built that's the problem. Can anyone see the back entry for service trucks and the like ican not see this. Will this be another entrance facing Brindly Ave wher main reception is now ?
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But ten years down the line, they could extend on that land ?
To me this is a fundamental question, as this green plot looks like it is all set up ready for another development in the future.
So, can that green space NEVER be built on, or can it be built on in 10 years time? We keep hearing different takes on this. Does anyone know for sure?
I can't see a petrol station on the plan, but I maybe wrong. They are usually built a good way from the actual store so I would think it would be on the Green land on the plan. So the store is described as being smaller than first thought. It doesn't matter, be it sales area, warehouse, car park, trolley park, Goods in/out service road, Customer in/out road and possible petrol station it is all ASDA! on a very big site.
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building looks nice on the leaflet
So did the New Rose Hill School it's what it looks like when it's built that's the problem. Can anyone see the back entry for service trucks and the like ican not see this. Will this be another entrance facing Brindly Ave wher main reception is now ?
Keep trying to find problems miss marbles .you will be able to go and look tomorrow .and ask questions .
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But ten years down the line, they could extend on that land ?
To me this is a fundamental question, as this green plot looks like it is all set up ready for another development in the future.
So, can that green space NEVER be built on, or can it be built on in 10 years time? We keep hearing different takes on this. Does anyone know for sure?
I can't see a petrol station on the plan, but I maybe wrong. They are usually built a good way from the actual store so I would think it would be on the Green land on the plan. So the store is described as being smaller than first thought. It doesn't matter, be it sales area, warehouse, car park, trolley park, Goods in/out service road, Customer in/out road and possible petrol station it is all ASDA! on a very big site.
ASDA would be better taking over the coop reallocating the old folks and fire station and building back .
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building looks nice on the leaflet
So did the New Rose Hill School it's what it looks like when it's built that's the problem. Can anyone see the back entry for service trucks and the like ican not see this. Will this be another entrance facing Brindly Ave wher main reception is now ?
I live near the new Rose Hill and I think it looks nice
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Can I ask a simple question???
If an Asda is built on Hibbert Lane will all of the people who have voiced their opinions about not wanting an Asda boycot it if is built and still do all of their shopping in all of the other local shops (including the Co-op)?
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Can I ask a simple question???
If an Asda is built on Hibbert Lane will all of the people who have voiced their opinions about not wanting an Asda boycot it if is built and still do all of their shopping in all of the other local shops (including the Co-op)?
What do you think? I can hazzard a guess that most will use Asda rather than currently leaving town to shop at Morrisons.
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The petrol station is just to the left of the slip road, where a second entrance road curves around.
For a supermarket it looks "ok" to me. Fairly low-profile, modest signage and reasonably good materials - redbrick to match surrounding housing, lots of glass and some shape to its roof, so it's not just a big box. It's good they seem to have two entrances, one from the car park and one fronting the road, meaning you don't have to dodge cars to get into the store by foot (take note, Co-op). There's a lack of trees though, they should be dotted through the car park to soften its vast expanse, and the two impressions above are very careful about what they show. The building looks ok, but they don't exactly show how it fits into the landscape, or how the car park and petrol station look. It's hard to picture what it'd actually look like from Hibbert Lane.
And they really have done their homework. 25,000 sq ft works out at 2322m², exactly the same floorspace as Tesco at Whaley Bridge. Of course, Tesco want to extend that store now, and ASDA could well do the same here on that car park in the upper corner, who knows. But compared to the hideous white box of that Tesco and the big signage on its roof, I think this doesn't look too bad at all.
I agree the amount of land left empty is hard to believe. "We guarantee to safeguard the existing open space on the Hibbert Lane site for future community use". Well, considering this supermarket information leaflet is yuckily titled "Community News", just what do ASDA consider "community use" to be? Anything by a major multinational looking for profit? Most likely though I think it could end up as houses.
Interested to see what else is shown at the event tomorrow, or if this is the only look we're getting.
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I agree with others... it looks ripe for something of the same size right next door!
now if they agree to build a swimming pool there......
but if its another retail development, which if asda get the go ahead will be less easy to oppose, then obviously that is a worry. We all know that the super markets will say one thing and do another so saying they are committed to keeping it a green space is worthless as far as I am concerned.
However.. I also think it looks... ok...
Expansion is a worry, but the way they have it on these pictures makes any expansion relatively restricted/small in comparison to the whole plot.
The traffic is still my main concern though, but parking isnt massive so it wont be designed for much more than the coop an they have other similar and bigger sized stores close by. I still think even a small development will increase it significantly though.
What has irritated me beyond belief is the leading questions on that blooming leaflet though! That is supposed to be part of their consultation? Havent got it to hand so i apologise for not copying word for word.. but would the people of Marple benefit from cheaper petrol? I mean, how are we supposed to answer that! and the rest... I may well be writing an essay on it!! :D
As for your question Rover.. if they build a massive store on there then I wont be shopping at Asda ever again. I am an Asda customer and have been for several years so it would be inconvenient to change but I will. If its within what I think is ok then yes I will continue to use it. The way they deal with the local concerns from now on will also have an impact on how I shop in the future regardless of what or if they build.
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Hey panic over! Some Walmart consultation leaflets have been delivered now !...........In Offerton :-X Well done Walmart for alerting the community of Marple! But maybe this is a taste of things to come if Walmart are allowed to move into town. Shame on you CAMSFC and Walmart you have never been honest and open with the community and continue to try to treat us as fools
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I got mine yesterday. I have been up this morning to look and I am happy with the plans, looks very nice :)
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I too dropped by at the college this morning to have a look at the exhibition. Nothing very startling there - it is much as expected. Spoke to a couple of guys from the college who seemed to me to be a tad optimistic about the time scale ('could be all done in a couple of years'), as if they expect the application to go through without the delay of going to appeal. And they confirmed that it will be a single planning application for both the college building and the supermarket.
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I have had my mailings. About a year late in my view had the College been open and straightforward from the start much of the misinformation would have been avoided and they could have got the community of Marple on their side from the outset. As it was there was a void of information which allowed others to move in.
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I may request that they build a community Ark on the spare land
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I too dropped by at the college this morning to have a look at the exhibition. Nothing very startling there - it is much as expected. Spoke to a couple of guys from the college who seemed to me to be a tad optimistic about the time scale ('could be all done in a couple of years'), as if they expect the application to go through without the delay of going to appeal. And they confirmed that it will be a single planning application for both the college building and the supermarket.
If it goes to appeal will it cost the councill a lot of money.
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I too dropped by at the college this morning to have a look at the exhibition. Nothing very startling there - it is much as expected. Spoke to a couple of guys from the college who seemed to me to be a tad optimistic about the time scale ('could be all done in a couple of years'), as if they expect the application to go through without the delay of going to appeal. And they confirmed that it will be a single planning application for both the college building and the supermarket.
If it goes to appeal will it cost the councill a lot of money.
It will cost us a lot of money as it will be from our Council Tax!
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I too dropped by at the college this morning to have a look at the exhibition. Nothing very startling there - it is much as expected. Spoke to a couple of guys from the college who seemed to me to be a tad optimistic about the time scale ('could be all done in a couple of years'), as if they expect the application to go through without the delay of going to appeal. And they confirmed that it will be a single planning application for both the college building and the supermarket.
If it goes to appeal will it cost the councill a lot of money.
It will cost us a lot of money as it will be from our Council Tax!
It's also one of the reasons that we pay Council tax, to allow our elected bodies to defend the decisions that they make on our behalf. I've no problem with it.
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I hope it comes from the Marple Area Committee budget so that other areas dont lose out
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I too dropped by at the college this morning to have a look at the exhibition. Nothing very startling there - it is much as expected. Spoke to a couple of guys from the college who seemed to me to be a tad optimistic about the time scale ('could be all done in a couple of years'), as if they expect the application to go through without the delay of going to appeal. And they confirmed that it will be a single planning application for both the college building and the supermarket.
If it goes to appeal will it cost the councill a lot of money.
It will cost us a lot of money as it will be from our Council Tax!
Take note all you .no against a supermarket .money that could be better spent else were in the area
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I Have just been and I have noticed that the roundabout will have 4 exits. I was informed by Walmart that it was hoped that people would be expected to use Edwards Way down onto cross lane as a way back out of Marple Are they crazy !
Walmart also say that there are no plans as yet for infer structure which I do not believe
Lots of people complaining about not knowing about the consultation and had only been alerted to it by MIA :P
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I Have just been and I have noticed that the roundabout will have 4 exits. I was informed by Walmart that it was hoped that people would be expected to use Edwards Way down onto cross lane as a way back out of Marple Are they crazy !
Walmart also say that there are no plans as yet for infer structure which I do not believe
Lots of people complaining about not knowing about the consultation and had only been alerted to it by MIA :P
This roundabout is definitely one of the worst things about it. When coming to Asda from the west (from the direction of Rose Hill) then people will try to avoid going through two sets of lights and then over the mini roundabout at Hibbert Lane/Church Lane. They will either turn right on to Cross Lane and then go up Edwards Way or Buxton Lane or they will go up Church Lane and then onto Leigh Avenue then Edwards Way. Leigh Avenue is particularly difficult to get out of anyway because it intersetcs with the one-way Church Lane where people park their cars right opposite the junction on Church Lane and they also park very close to the end of Leigh Avenue leaving very little manoeuvring room.
When leaving Asda they will also try to avoid the centre by going down Edwards Way or Buxton Lane. Anyone who has tried to get out of Cross lane will know how busy that junction can be and it will only lead to more rat running through Throstle Grove or Rose Lane to get to The Drive.
I predict that anyone living on these roads will see a significant increase of traffic on them leading to greater risk for pedestrians, pets etc.
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I spoke to a Man from Asda , who reckons that it should be here by 2015 if planning is approved . Applications will be going through in September at the earliest .
Apparently the land will not be land banked if planning is not approved .
The college are leading the way on desicions , definately no building work for the new store untill the new college is finished .
At 4.pm I was told that they had had approximately 200 visitors today , and speaking with other residents of Marple at the college today, the handful I spoke to , had had a U turn over their decision about Asda coming to Marple and thought it was a good thing.
Also I was told by someone from Asda today, that if Waitrose do get the sorting office, this will not deter Asda, they will still go ahead with the application .
Sorry if this info has been posted elsewhere
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ps, also told the store is likely to open between 8 and 10pm
The biggest hurdle they will have will be noise and light polution in the surrounding areas , this could stop the whole thing ( apparently )
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When I was there people were just walking around and leaving, interaction was not really encouraged. There were three employees walking around as if they were members of the public, pointing at things saying how great it looked, sadly for them I recognised them, so there game was over. The whole experience was a farce. Everyone I asked could not answer my questions about leaflets , alerting the public , noise and light pollution, or house devaluation. I was although informed that the sports hall and youth centre was to be re located to Buxton Lane. When I pointed out that it is not CAMSFC to decide that as it's joint owned I was told that the council said they could re locate it :-\. When I objected I was informed that I could suggest that a youth club or community sports hall could be put on the Green Space on Hibbert Lane site? I thought they could not build on there, so what if a Mac Donalds was suggested ?
I pointed out Edwards way having lots of elderly residents and young children was not really a good idea as a road out of the supermarket and that Cross lane was a nightmare to get out of without increased traffic, they appeared not to be bothered and could only say that their noise levels would be in line with policy.
I asked if the community could object if noise levels were high, the reply was that deliverys would be made at night ??? Hello Walmart are we on the same planet ?
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I live near to the Texaco (Co-op) and I don't hear any deliveries being made at all, even sat out in the garden on the very rare occasion it is not raining I still do not hear anything. I have neighbours who actually back onto the Texaco and they do not hear anything and they are only metres away.
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I live near to the Texaco (Co-op) and I don't hear any deliveries being made at all, even sat out in the garden on the very rare occasion it is not raining I still do not hear anything. I have neighbours who actually back onto the Texaco and they do not hear anything and they are only metres away.
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There is concern from residents around the Coop at present MIA have had complaints about deliveries around 4 am. Residents complain that there sleep is disturbed and Coop do not answer their letters or complaints. Residents say that there are Trucks arriving and having to keep engines running due to refrigeration until order is signed in.
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Rover, What sort of a comparison is that? :(
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When leaving Asda they will also try to avoid the centre by going down Edwards Way or Buxton Lane. Anyone who has tried to get out of Cross lane will know how busy that junction can be and it will only lead to more rat running through Throstle Grove or Rose Lane to get to The Drive.
Very good points there, it is poor that the roundabout places Edwards Way on equal level with Hibbert Lane and the supermarket entrance, actively encouraging drivers to use it more as a cut-through. I don't know why they can't just widen the road slightly (onto ASDA's land) and provide staggered right-hand turn outs, rather than obstruct the entire flow of the road with a roundabout that everyone has to go around - no doubt just a supermarket ploy to get more people to turn into their car park.
If the roundabout does go ahead, ASDA should perhaps pay to make Edwards Way a 20mph zone and install some traffic-calming measures at the entrance to clearly mark it as a residential area and not a main cut-through (say a single low bump or a short patch of cobbles). Just an idea.
Have the college thought about traffic on Buxton Lane and Cross Lane too? How are all their buses going to get down there each morning and afternoon? They should maybe retain a bus layby up on Hibbert Lane for them.
Oh, and still no ASDA leaflets on Woodville Drive!
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I went to along today & living close to the college( Fir Road ) one of the concerns I had was the apparent lack of parking on the plans for the proposed Buxton Lane development.
If the New build goes ahead there will be only 30 additional extra car park spaces on Buxton Lane compared
to what is there now. Given that there are approximately 125-150 spaces on the Hibbert Lane campus, I asked where will all the students be parking, on Buxton Lane or the Woodville estate?
Answer: We are only allowed buy planning guidelines for certain ratio of pupil to car park spaces for new builds.
Also the revamped Buxton Lane capacity for students will be the same as the present Buxton Lane & Hibbert Lane sites. At present the college has spare capacity for students, obviously they are hoping new facilities will attract more students.
The car parks on both sites are at present usually full.
The college representative although sympathetic to the problem I highlighted, suggested I speak to the authorities about, and maybe they can bring in permit parking for local residents!!!!!
For anyone who lives close to the college I imagine the open evening parking problems that happen now are what we expected to accept as the norm for our area on a daily basis.
I didn't bother speaking to the Walmart representatives who were obviously their generic rent a planning hit squad, who probably were on their 5th planning assignment of the week !!!
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I went to along today & living close to the college( Fir Road ) one of the concerns I had was the apparent lack of parking on the plans for the proposed Buxton Lane development.
If the New build goes ahead there will be only 30 additional extra car park spaces on Buxton Lane compared
to what is there now. Given that there are approximately 125-150 spaces on the Hibbert Lane campus, I asked where will all the students be parking, on Buxton Lane or the Woodville estate?
Answer: We are only allowed buy planning guidelines for certain ratio of pupil to car park spaces for new builds.
Also the revamped Buxton Lane capacity for students will be the same as the present Buxton Lane & Hibbert Lane sites. At present the college has spare capacity for students, obviously they are hoping new facilities will attract more students.
The car parks on both sites are at present usually full.
The college representative although sympathetic to the problem I highlighted, suggested I speak to the authorities about, and maybe they can bring in permit parking for local residents!!!!!
For anyone who lives close to the college I imagine the open evening parking problems that happen now are what we expected to accept as the norm for our area on a daily basis.
I didn't bother speaking to the Walmart representatives who were obviously their generic rent a planning hit squad, who probably were on their 5th planning assignment of the week !!!
Very good point. Why don't they make the old Peacefield school site into a car park with a footpath to the new college? The traffic on Cross Lane would probably still be the same, just the extra traffic past the college down Buxton Lane to the car park.
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I went to along today & living close to the college( Fir Road ) one of the concerns I had was the apparent lack of parking on the plans for the proposed Buxton Lane development.
If the New build goes ahead there will be only 30 additional extra car park spaces on Buxton Lane compared
to what is there now. Given that there are approximately 125-150 spaces on the Hibbert Lane campus, I asked where will all the students be parking, on Buxton Lane or the Woodville estate?
Answer: We are only allowed buy planning guidelines for certain ratio of pupil to car park spaces for new builds.
Also the revamped Buxton Lane capacity for students will be the same as the present Buxton Lane & Hibbert Lane sites. At present the college has spare capacity for students, obviously they are hoping new facilities will attract more students.
The car parks on both sites are at present usually full.
The college representative although sympathetic to the problem I highlighted, suggested I speak to the authorities about, and maybe they can bring in permit parking for local residents!!!!!
For anyone who lives close to the college I imagine the open evening parking problems that happen now are what we expected to accept as the norm for our area on a daily basis.
I didn't bother speaking to the Walmart representatives who were obviously their generic rent a planning hit squad, who probably were on their 5th planning assignment of the week !!!
Very good point. Why don't they make the old Peacefield school site into a car park with a footpath to the new college? The traffic on Cross Lane would probably still be the same, just the extra traffic past the college down Buxton Lane to the car park.
The Peacefield site has already been allocated for new housing, I think planning as already gone through?
Also your comment about the traffic on cross lane, " just the extra traffic past the college down Buxton Lane to the Car Park". What about all the " Rat Run" traffic from or to avoid ASDA?
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I Have just been and I have noticed that the roundabout will have 4 exits. I was informed by Walmart that it was hoped that people would be expected to use Edwards Way down onto cross lane as a way back out of Marple Are they crazy !
Walmart also say that there are no plans as yet for infer structure which I do not believe
Lots of people complaining about not knowing about the consultation and had only been alerted to it by MIA :P
This roundabout is definitely one of the worst things about it. When coming to Asda from the west (from the direction of Rose Hill) then people will try to avoid going through two sets of lights and then over the mini roundabout at Hibbert Lane/Church Lane. They will either turn right on to Cross Lane and then go up Edwards Way or Buxton Lane or they will go up Church Lane and then onto Leigh Avenue then Edwards Way. Leigh Avenue is particularly difficult to get out of anyway because it intersetcs with the one-way Church Lane where people park their cars right opposite the junction on Church Lane and they also park very close to the end of Leigh Avenue leaving very little manoeuvring room.
When leaving Asda they will also try to avoid the centre by going down Edwards Way or Buxton Lane. Anyone who has tried to get out of Cross lane will know how busy that junction can be and it will only lead to more rat running through Throstle Grove or Rose Lane to get to The Drive.
I predict that anyone living on these roads will see a significant increase of traffic on them leading to greater risk for pedestrians, pets etc.
Things can be altered .
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ps, also told the store is likely to open between 8 and 10pm
The biggest hurdle they will have will be noise and light polution in the surrounding areas , this could stop the whole thing ( apparently )
Don't they have light pollution when the college is open evenings is there not large lights on the car park side.
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I Have just been and I have noticed that the roundabout will have 4 exits. I was informed by Walmart that it was hoped that people would be expected to use Edwards Way down onto cross lane as a way back out of Marple Are they crazy !
Walmart also say that there are no plans as yet for infer structure which I do not believe
Lots of people complaining about not knowing about the consultation and had only been alerted to it by MIA :P
This roundabout is definitely one of the worst things about it. When coming to Asda from the west (from the direction of Rose Hill) then people will try to avoid going through two sets of lights and then over the mini roundabout at Hibbert Lane/Church Lane. They will either turn right on to Cross Lane and then go up Edwards Way or Buxton Lane or they will go up Church Lane and then onto Leigh Avenue then Edwards Way. Leigh Avenue is particularly difficult to get out of anyway because it intersetcs with the one-way Church Lane where people park their cars right opposite the junction on Church Lane and they also park very close to the end of Leigh Avenue leaving very little manoeuvring room.
When leaving Asda they will also try to avoid the centre by going down Edwards Way or Buxton Lane. Anyone who has tried to get out of Cross lane will know how busy that junction can be and it will only lead to more rat running through Throstle Grove or Rose Lane to get to The Drive.
I predict that anyone living on these roads will see a significant increase of traffic on them leading to greater risk for pedestrians, pets etc.
Things can be altered .
A bit of a vague comment, how can things be altered ?
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ps, also told the store is likely to open between 8 and 10pm
The biggest hurdle they will have will be noise and light polution in the surrounding areas , this could stop the whole thing ( apparently )
Don't they have light pollution when the college is open evenings is there not large lights on the car park side.
A couple evening a year is slightly different from 7 days a week for 364 days a year, unless they are proposing to open on Xmas Day!!!!
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I Have just been and I have noticed that the roundabout will have 4 exits. I was informed by Walmart that it was hoped that people would be expected to use Edwards Way down onto cross lane as a way back out of Marple Are they crazy !
Walmart also say that there are no plans as yet for infer structure which I do not believe
Lots of people complaining about not knowing about the consultation and had only been alerted to it by MIA :P
This roundabout is definitely one of the worst things about it. When coming to Asda from the west (from the direction of Rose Hill) then people will try to avoid going through two sets of lights and then over the mini roundabout at Hibbert Lane/Church Lane. They will either turn right on to Cross Lane and then go up Edwards Way or Buxton Lane or they will go up Church Lane and then onto Leigh Avenue then Edwards Way. Leigh Avenue is particularly difficult to get out of anyway because it intersetcs with the one-way Church Lane where people park their cars right opposite the junction on Church Lane and they also park very close to the end of Leigh Avenue leaving very little manoeuvring room.
When leaving Asda they will also try to avoid the centre by going down Edwards Way or Buxton Lane. Anyone who has tried to get out of Cross lane will know how busy that junction can be and it will only lead to more rat running through Throstle Grove or Rose Lane to get to The Drive.
I predict that anyone living on these roads will see a significant increase of traffic on them leading to greater risk for pedestrians, pets etc.
Things can be altered .
A bit of a vague comment, how can things be altered ?
has it gone through planning or submitted . The junction I mean not the supermarket .
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Please try to attend the walk tomorrow meet at the MIA stall 1pm on route or at the college
Thank you
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ps, also told the store is likely to open between 8 and 10pm
The biggest hurdle they will have will be noise and light polution in the surrounding areas , this could stop the whole thing ( apparently )
Don't they have light pollution when the college is open evenings is there not large lights on the car park side.
A couple evening a year is slightly different from 7 days a week for 364 days a year, unless they are proposing to open on Xmas Day!!!!
But the large lights on car park side are on all night for security .
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I predict that anyone living on these roads will see a significant increase of traffic on them leading to greater risk for pedestrians, pets etc.
Things can be altered .
Please be a bit more vague with your next reply.
Seriously, if you think things can be altered please explain how because people WILL be using Church Lane, Edwards Way, Leigh Avenue, Cross Lane, Rose Lane and The Drive as rat runs to avoid the centre of Marple. Tell me what you think things should look like instead.
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I live near to the Texaco (Co-op) and I don't hear any deliveries being made at all, even sat out in the garden on the very rare occasion it is not raining I still do not hear anything. I have neighbours who actually back onto the Texaco and they do not hear anything and they are only metres away.
The noisy deliveries have plagued ASDA neighbours throughout the land. I've pasted just a few (there's plenty more (https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?q=asda+noise+pollution)) below.
Bloxwich (http://www.ttr-ltd.com/downloads/pdf/ASDA_Bloxwich5.pdf), "due to erratic delivery schedules, the increase in noise could be due to deliveries, preparation of empty rollcages, pallets for recollection, movement of non-perishable stock", "late-night deliveries demonstrated that residents in the vicinity of the store may be disturbed by noise from the arriving / manoeuvering vehicle".
Llanelli (http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/action-row-delivery-noise/story-13796376-detail/story.html), "Householders have laid the blame at Asda's door and are calling on the council to get to grips with the issue once and for all. One of them, pensioner Malcolm Cotterell, declared: "The problems of noise are still going on, the council won't sort them out.".
Coventry (http://www.coventryobserver.co.uk/2012/07/06/news-Noise-to-be-monitored-at-Asda's-store-in-Radford-43516.html), "revving lorry engines and noise from the unloading of vehicles before 6am and after 10pm despite an informal agreement deliveries would not take place outside of those hours.".
Reading (http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/woodleyandearley/articles/2010/04/01/45804-asda-plans-will-keep-neighbours-awake/), "Asda can only deliver from 6am-11pm Mondays to Saturdays and 8am-5pm on Sundays and Bank Holidays, but it wants to deliver at all hours except 2-4am".
Wokingham (http://www.getwokingham.co.uk/news/s/2075411_asdas_extended_delivery_hours_depend_on_visit), "her house shakes from the vibrations caused by large delivery trucks and she fears the problem will only get worse if delivery hours are extended", "sleepless nights if the plan for deliveries 22 hours a day goes ahead".
On the plus side, ASDA do sell noise-cancelling headphones (http://direct.asda.com/Lenco-Noise-Cancelling-Headphones/000504445,default,pd.html). Perhaps they'll offer local residents a discount voucher?
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I went to along today & living close to the college( Fir Road ) one of the concerns I had was the apparent lack of parking on the plans for the proposed Buxton Lane development.
If the New build goes ahead there will be only 30 additional extra car park spaces on Buxton Lane compared
to what is there now. Given that there are approximately 125-150 spaces on the Hibbert Lane campus, I asked where will all the students be parking, on Buxton Lane or the Woodville estate?
Answer: We are only allowed buy planning guidelines for certain ratio of pupil to car park spaces for new builds.
Also the revamped Buxton Lane capacity for students will be the same as the present Buxton Lane & Hibbert Lane sites. At present the college has spare capacity for students, obviously they are hoping new facilities will attract more students.
The car parks on both sites are at present usually full.
The college representative although sympathetic to the problem I highlighted, suggested I speak to the authorities about, and maybe they can bring in permit parking for local residents!!!!!
For anyone who lives close to the college I imagine the open evening parking problems that happen now are what we expected to accept as the norm for our area on a daily basis.
I didn't bother speaking to the Walmart representatives who were obviously their generic rent a planning hit squad, who probably were on their 5th planning assignment of the week !!!
Very good point. Why don't they make the old Peacefield school site into a car park with a footpath to the new college? The traffic on Cross Lane would probably still be the same, just the extra traffic past the college down Buxton Lane to the car park.
The Peacefield site has already been allocated for new housing, I think planning as already gone through?
Also your comment about the traffic on cross lane, " just the extra traffic past the college down Buxton Lane to the Car Park". What about all the " Rat Run" traffic from or to avoid ASDA?
My reply was to the post regarding the additional car parking near to the college on Buxton Lane when the college is rebuilt and has nothing to do with the Asda subject, read the posts properly!
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I went to along today & living close to the college( Fir Road ) one of the concerns I had was the apparent lack of parking on the plans for the proposed Buxton Lane development.
If the New build goes ahead there will be only 30 additional extra car park spaces on Buxton Lane compared
to what is there now. Given that there are approximately 125-150 spaces on the Hibbert Lane campus, I asked where will all the students be parking, on Buxton Lane or the Woodville estate?
Answer: We are only allowed buy planning guidelines for certain ratio of pupil to car park spaces for new builds.
Also the revamped Buxton Lane capacity for students will be the same as the present Buxton Lane & Hibbert Lane sites. At present the college has spare capacity for students, obviously they are hoping new facilities will attract more students.
The car parks on both sites are at present usually full.
The college representative although sympathetic to the problem I highlighted, suggested I speak to the authorities about, and maybe they can bring in permit parking for local residents!!!!!
For anyone who lives close to the college I imagine the open evening parking problems that happen now are what we expected to accept as the norm for our area on a daily basis.
I didn't bother speaking to the Walmart representatives who were obviously their generic rent a planning hit squad, who probably were on their 5th planning assignment of the week !!!
Very good point. Why don't they make the old Peacefield school site into a car park with a footpath to the new college? The traffic on Cross Lane would probably still be the same, just the extra traffic past the college down Buxton Lane to the car park.
The Peacefield site has already been allocated for new housing, I think planning as already gone through?
Also your comment about the traffic on cross lane, " just the extra traffic past the college down Buxton Lane to the Car Park". What about all the " Rat Run" traffic from or to avoid ASDA?
My reply was to the post regarding the additional car parking near to the college on Buxton Lane when the college is rebuilt and has nothing to do with the Asda subject, read the posts properly!
Okay I understand your point, but as the Peacefield Site is already earmarked for housing it is irrelevant.
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I Have just been and I have noticed that the roundabout will have 4 exits. I was informed by Walmart that it was hoped that people would be expected to use Edwards Way down onto cross lane as a way back out of Marple Are they crazy !
Walmart also say that there are no plans as yet for infer structure which I do not believe
Lots of people complaining about not knowing about the consultation and had only been alerted to it by MIA :P
I only knew about it because I drove past the signs yesterday. I'm sure it was mentioned on here but I haven't been around much .
Went to the consultation this afternoon. Consultation - Ha! No straight answers, in fact no answers at all and I was called a liar, in so many words, by a Asda rep. All questions were met with waffle.
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I went along today and one major concern was alleviated. I was assured categorically that the green space area next to the proposed Adsa site could NEVER be built on. They told me that there is not a 10-year time period before the land can be used but that it would have to “stay as green space in perpetuity” (I would like to see that in writing though).
My concerns about parking (and traffic generally) were not alleviated. When I asked how many parking spaces the college currently has on both sites they weren’t sure, about 200 they said. But when I told them that I had counted 280 they agreed that was probably right. How many will they have on the new site Buxton Lane site? I asked. Oh, about 160 they said. When I said I’d counted 150 on their plan, they agreed that was probably right too.
So if I had gone unarmed without my own information they would have left me thinking that 40 spaces were being lost, whereas it is actually about 130.
They didn’t have any constructive thoughts about how they were going to deal with the reduction in parking and blamed planning law for the number of parking spaces that they are allowed to provide on the new college site.
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I went along today and one major concern was alleviated. I was assured categorically that the green space area next to the proposed Adsa site could NEVER be built on. They told me that there is not a 10-year time period before the land can be used but that it would have to “stay as green space in perpetuity” (I would like to see that in writing though).
My concerns about parking (and traffic generally) were not alleviated. When I asked how many parking spaces the college currently has on both sites they weren’t sure, about 200 they said. But when I told them that I had counted 280 they agreed that was probably right. How many will they have on the new site Buxton Lane site? I asked. Oh, about 160 they said. When I said I’d counted 150 on their plan, they agreed that was probably right too.
So if I had gone unarmed without my own information they would have left me thinking that 40 spaces were being lost, whereas it is actually about 130.
They didn’t have any constructive thoughts about how they were going to deal with the reduction in parking and blamed planning law for the number of parking spaces that they are allowed to provide on the new college site.
Hi Mark, if you read my earlier post ( at 6.46pm )you will see I asked the same question and got a similar response apart from be advised to ask the council to make the area a permit parking area.
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Unfortunately they do have a point about the number of spaces that they can deliver on site. SMBC have strict policies on total car parking for development (http://www.stockport.gov.uk/2013/2994/developmentcontrol/planningpolicy/UDP/udpreview_m_appendix9 (http://www.stockport.gov.uk/2013/2994/developmentcontrol/planningpolicy/UDP/udpreview_m_appendix9)) and in order to promote 'sustainable development' they shouldn't allow more parking. I assume that the current proposals are promoting the maximum number of spaces permissible or else they are trying to pull a fast one.
It will be interesting to see what the College do in terms of Travel Planning and / or local parking controls.
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Unfortunately they do have a point about the number of spaces that they can deliver on site. SMBC have strict policies on total car parking for development (http://www.stockport.gov.uk/2013/2994/developmentcontrol/planningpolicy/UDP/udpreview_m_appendix9 (http://www.stockport.gov.uk/2013/2994/developmentcontrol/planningpolicy/UDP/udpreview_m_appendix9)) and in order to promote 'sustainable development' they shouldn't allow more parking. I assume that the current proposals are promoting the maximum number of spaces permissible or else they are trying to pull a fast one.
It will be interesting to see what the College do in terms of Travel Planning and / or local parking controls.
I was told about the maximum number thing ( I can't from the sheet if there figures are correct ).
It was stated that there would be 30 additional spaces on the Buxton Lane site, when asked where the
other approx. 120 cars that are catered for now would park, I got a shoulder shrug response and it was told there would be bus access catered and it was suggested maybe it would be a good idea for me to ask the council about bringing in a permit parking scheme!!!
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Unfortunately I cannot see these plans etc., but would like my opposition taken into account. I do not wish to see more traffic coming into Marple, it is already a nightmare. An incredibly slanted questionnaire, proving that by asking the wrong questions you can get the right answers to propel your application through.
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I went along today and one major concern was alleviated. I was assured categorically that the green space area next to the proposed Adsa site could NEVER be built on. They told me that there is not a 10-year time period before the land can be used but that it would have to “stay as green space in perpetuity” (I would like to see that in writing though).
My concerns about parking (and traffic generally) were not alleviated. When I asked how many parking spaces the college currently has on both sites they weren’t sure, about 200 they said. But when I told them that I had counted 280 they agreed that was probably right. How many will they have on the new site Buxton Lane site? I asked. Oh, about 160 they said. When I said I’d counted 150 on their plan, they agreed that was probably right too.
So if I had gone unarmed without my own information they would have left me thinking that 40 spaces were being lost, whereas it is actually about 130.
They didn’t have any constructive thoughts about how they were going to deal with the reduction in parking and blamed planning law for the number of parking spaces that they are allowed to provide on the new college site.
Hi Mark, if you read my earlier post ( at 6.46pm )you will see I asked the same question and got a similar response apart from be advised to ask the council to make the area a permit parking area.
The newly opened Shard in Londononly has about 40 parking places, in any new development we ought to be seeking to reduce those traveling by car and encouraging green transport alternative. The Manchestetr College was build with 28 parking places. I would like to see a drastic reduction is parking on the Buxton Lane site.
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The staff manning the ASDA/C&MSFC stall yesterday were the most junior of junior and would play no part in any decision making process whatsoever. Most of the the Asda "people" are just part of a London PR rent a group that do "consultations" for a living. It's been said before on this site but this is not a consultation, a consultation is when you solicit a view and take it into account however it fits in with your proposals. That is not what was happening yesterday. What was happening yesterday was just part of a process that needs fulfilling.
As far as "never" building on open space, if you believe that then you believe in pixies and fairies. Whatever is agreed about the open space can be changed at a later date no matter who signs what.
There is no doubt in my mind that the Asda will bring with it a negative impact on some local businesses although it has to be said that some of these businesses are on borrowed time anyway.
There is also no doubt in my mind that the Asda will bring with it increased traffic. The shopping traffic that currently disperses throughout Marple on its way to various outside supermarkets will then converge on the Asda. How could it do anything else ? If you live near the store itself then the delivery traffic will be a pollutive nightmare.
However, Marple is not a leafy backwater it is a suburban town that already has it's fair share of ever increasing traffic without the Asda. Stockport Rd, Station Rd and Hibbert Lane already have an abundance of traffic. In fact its hard to see how you can get any more traffic on Stockport Rd in Marple.
In addition to all this it doesn't matter what we say these decisions are being made for us elsewhere. The only decision you have to make when it is built - will you go in it ?
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There will be traffic.
But.. MIA have guessed 200 movements/hour
3.33 cars per minute.
And.. wasn't this before the plans were revealed?
The fact it's a relatively small store makes me think that people won't exactly leave the surrounding areas to rush to Asda.
How many people currently travel into Marple to shop at the co-op?
Obviously some do, but not that many.. I just can't imagine the chaos that MIA predict.
Perhaps MIA should start accepting the fact that Asda will be built, and campaign to get things like landscaping and restrictions on delivery times etc.
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There will be traffic.
But.. MIA have guessed 200 movements/hour
3.33 cars per minute.
And.. wasn't this before the plans were revealed?
The fact it's a relatively small store makes me think that people won't exactly leave the surrounding areas to rush to Asda.
How many people currently travel into Marple to shop at the co-op?
Obviously some do, but not that many.. I just can't imagine the chaos that MIA predict.
Perhaps MIA should start accepting the fact that Asda will be built, and campaign to get things like landscaping and restrictions on delivery times etc.
What MIA does is and always has been completely irrelevant to what will actually happen.
The decision makers in this will be ASDA/COUNCIL/CAMSFC and maybe Planning Inspector. MIA are just not and never have been on the radar.
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Simone
You are on the right tracks with what you say about traffic. In the immediate area to the Asda store, there will be more movements, of course there will. But can Hibbert Lane cope? Probably, its nice and wide and it is, afterall, one of Marple's 'main roads'. Its all very well for people on Stockport Rd, Station Rd, Church Lane & Hibbert Lane to cry foul about potential increased traffic on routes, but thats the risk you run living on a 'min road'. Marple as a community cannot stand still, it must develop and regenerate and in this car obsessed world, I'm afraid that traffic is a by-product of any 'progress'. To complain about it (and this is not aimed at you Simone, just a general observation) is often a shade hypocritical when nearly all of us merrily drive a car wherever we want, with scant regard to the people and properties we pass. And I say this as someone who lives on one of Marple's busier roads.
And this is nub of the arguments on traffic at the Asda site for me. I have some sympathy for the point they make that it is very likely that most of the town already shops at a supermarket at least once a week and given the lack of choice, its pretty certain that this involves a trip down one of Marple's main roads and out of the town (most likely Stockport Road). There is therefore a good chance that the 'net' impact on traffic in Marple as a whole will be relatively 'neutral'. What Asda need to do is sort out the local 'hot spots'. How they achieve this will be the key, as it won't be easy as space is limited. But we can't bury our heads in the sand and pretend that supermarket shopping related traffic isn't already a problem in Marple or at the very least is something that we, as a community, seem to be happy to 'export' to Bredbury / Hazel Grove, Glossop, etc. MIA's estimates of traffic flow are probably a decent estimate, but the big question is, how many of these are will be 'new' to Marple, and how many will simply be a diversion of those who were previously on a trip out of the town to an existing other store? My guess is that it will be a very substantial number and I'm sure that this is something that Asda will give us 'chapter and verse' on, within their planning application.
I would suggest that a "pollutive nightmare" is a bit of an over-statement. National guidance on traffic related environmental impact illustrates that changes in traffic flow result in relatively small changes in pollutant levels. Normally you wouldn't expect a material change in pollution levels worth looking at in detail until you get a 30% increase in traffic movements over and above the base.
Its a tough nut to crack and I wait with interest to see what Asda propose. It will be one of the key issues that will inform my own decision as to whether I will man the Marple barricades or not.
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The staff manning the ASDA/C&MSFC stall yesterday were the most junior of junior and would play no part in any decision making process whatsoever. Most of the the Asda "people" are just part of a London PR rent a group that do "consultations" for a living. It's been said before on this site but this is not a consultation, a consultation is when you solicit a view and take it into account however it fits in with your proposals. That is not what was happening yesterday. What was happening yesterday was just part of a process that needs fulfilling.
As far as "never" building on open space, if you believe that then you believe in pixies and fairies. Whatever is agreed about the open space can be changed at a later date no matter who signs what.
There is no doubt in my mind that the Asda will bring with it a negative impact on some local businesses although it has to be said that some of these businesses are on borrowed time anyway.
There is also no doubt in my mind that the Asda will bring with it increased traffic. The shopping traffic that currently disperses throughout Marple on its way to various outside supermarkets will then converge on the Asda. How could it do anything else ? If you live near the store itself then the delivery traffic will be a pollutive nightmare.
However, Marple is not a leafy backwater it is a suburban town that already has it's fair share of ever increasing traffic without the Asda. Stockport Rd, Station Rd and Hibbert Lane already have an abundance of traffic. In fact its hard to see how you can get any more traffic on Stockport Rd in Marple.
In addition to all this it doesn't matter what we say these decisions are being made for us elsewhere. The only decision you have to make when it is built - will you go in it ?
I don'tquite understand what sort of staff you expected you say theyare the most junior staff from London in a disparaging way.I am not sure what else you would want or would think would be required???
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And on the issue of open space, any application will need to comply with Council policy, which put simply, is that there should be no net loss of open space as a result of any development proposals
The above is taken from communications with SMBC planning I think comply and should be is concerning, but that's my opinion ;)
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I think that there is a strong possibility that ASDA may close their Hazel Grove Store and if they did god help Windlehurst Rd and upper Hibbert Lane Be careful what you wish for those who think they will not be effected. One of the Yes Campaign will now have a roundabout right outside their front door, if she/he has children this must be a real worry.
It would be my advise to wait before supporting any proposal, we all need to know the full facts from ASDA which they appear not to want to give all at once, preferring to drip feed us , mainly hype . To say they have no plans for infer structure is infuriating
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Tricky I have about 200 cars per hour past my house now and so does the New Rose Hill ! And that's without supermarket traffic and their service wagons ! I have asked Walmart and CAMSFC to monitor my traffic but they have declined. No wonder !
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I think that there is a strong possibility that ASDA may close their Hazel Grove Store and if they did god help Windlehurst Rd and upper Hibbert Lane Be careful what you wish for those who think they will not be effected. One of the Yes Campaign will now have a roundabout right outside their front door, if she/he has children this must be a real worry.
It would be my advise to wait before supporting any proposal, we all need to know the full facts from ASDA which they appear not to want to give all at once, preferring to drip feed us , mainly hype . To say they have no plans for infer structure is infuriating
You base your contention that the Hazel Grove ASDA would close on what commerical information exactly???? You really cannot make continual unfounded statements based on no information whatsoever.
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It would be my advise to wait before supporting any proposal, we all need to know the full facts from ASDA which they appear not to want to give all at once, preferring to drip feed us , mainly hype .
The irony is unbelievable.
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It would be my advise to wait before supporting any proposal, we all need to know the full facts..
LOL
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Tricky I have about 200 cars per hour past my house now and so does the New Rose Hill ! And that's without supermarket traffic and their service wagons ! I have asked Walmart and CAMSFC to monitor my traffic but they have declined. No wonder !
If you live anywhere near Stockport road you could easily multiply 200 by 5 and still be too low for current conditions. 200 per hour or 3 a minute is a very quiet street indeed. Also why this obsession with Rose Hill school and pollution? That couldn't be more ill informed if you tried and trying to drag this into the supermarket debate is a low blow.
Lastly, Asda close their Hazel Grove store. Utter, utter fantasy. They only bought the store less than 2 years ago and then spent a small fortune on new access works. Of course they are going to close it!
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I am good at getting you three to bite, you have got to give me that ! Are you three lads coming down to ask questions ? Sorry the 4 of you ;D perhaps Wheels can come on his bike ;)
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Belly,
I agree with most of the content in your response. It was measured and intelligent like most of the stuff that you write but also unlike some of the neurotic posts made by others on this site. You are quite right traffic management will be THE issue here.
There is one point of disagreement though, 4/5 years ago I safeguarded a friends flat in Manchester it was near the ASDA opposite Man City's ground. There was delivery traffic coming and going all day and night and despite the fact that the flat was 5 floors up and double glazed the noise pollution was very significant and was a major disturbance particularly in the early hours of the morning. I have to say that this store is a much larger store that the one planned in Marple but conversely the flat referred to was much further away from the store than the houses in the Hibbert lane environ will be from the the Marple Store.
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I am good at getting you three to bite, you have got to give me that ! Are you three lads coming down to ask questions ? Sorry the 4 of you ;D perhaps Wheels can come on his bike ;)
Ah.. you were joking all along. ::)
I don't feel the need to ask questions Miss Marple. I have seen the proposed drawing, I understand the proposed drawing. I will wait for the ACTUAL plans to be available via planning.. THEN decide to protest or sit back and let it happen. I'm pretty sure I've said that for the last year.
Seriously though.. maybe MIA should be more proactive rather than reactive.
Also..
And on the issue of open space, any application will need to comply with Council policy, which put simply, is that there should be no net loss of open space as a result of any development proposals
The above is taken from communications with SMBC planning I think comply and should be is concerning, but that's my opinion ;)
Does it concern you that the plan shows that there will actually be much MORE open space on the Hibbert Lane site?
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compared to
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Well I have just got bank from the presentation and I must say I was surprised by the number of people there and the wide age range.
All the ASDA/College staff were interacting with people and you had to wait to ask your question. Everyone seemed totally engaged and were asking perfectly sensible questions.
My gut feeling from a about an hour there was that most people were in favour of the development. I accept that that is a very small sample.
I went along broadly sceptical but came away less so.
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I think that there is a strong possibility that ASDA may close their Hazel Grove Store and if they did god help Windlehurst Rd and upper Hibbert Lane Be careful what you wish for those who think they will not be effected. One of the Yes Campaign will now have a roundabout right outside their front door, if she/he has children this must be a real worry.
It would be my advise to wait before supporting any proposal, we all need to know the full facts from ASDA which they appear not to want to give all at once, preferring to drip feed us , mainly hype . To say they have no plans for infer structure is infuriating
I did say that Asda wanted to close there under performing hazel grove store over twelve months ago it's just not big enough.
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I did say that Asda wanted to close there under performing hazel grove store over twelve months ago it's just not big enough.
Do you know how big the Hazel Grove store is compared to the proposed marple Asda?
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I did say that Asda wanted to close there under performing hazel grove store over twelve months ago it's just not big enough.
Do you know how big the Hazel Grove store is compared to the proposed marple Asda?
No I would say its smaller it used to be the coop .
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Like wheels, I am now sensing that the MIA's illusion that the majority of local residents oppose the college's plans is now fading. Sure, there are a number of issues around which people continue to have questions and reservations, but talking to people at the exhibition and elsewhere over the past couple of days, I think they are now seeing the benefits and the sheer common sense in the plans.
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Like wheels, I am now sensing that the MIA's illusion that the majority of local residents oppose the college's plans is now fading. Sure, there are a number of issues around which people continue to have questions and reservations, but talking to people at the exhibition and elsewhere over the past couple of days, I think they are now seeing the benefits and the sheer common sense in the plans.
You know I've been for it since day one idont think people will not shop in marple as well I will still use the coop
If they get ther act together but you go in and they don't have what they are supposed to stock on the shelves
This morning 10.30 no cooked chickens they been put in late and not ready about another hour .dont think that would happen at Asda .
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How have you got the information that Asda want to close the Hazel Grove store ?
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Fantastic turn out today (pictures coming soon) given the local events which were taking place as well as the women's tennis ! Walmart and CAMSFC agreed to hold the meeting outside due to size of crowd Walmart stated that there would be around 250 cars per hour at peak times and Sat mornings. We have gathered a lot more support around the proposed roundabout site ie Edwards Way and Cross Lane. Shan Alexander turned up so credit where credits due
Walmart stated that they have been surprised at the amount of opposition. Last night Ms Cassidy stated that she would not live near a supermarket and if ASDA don't get planning she will go with plan B Mr Hubert (finance ) is leaving possible to join all the others who jumped ship ( but he is an ok guy) The crowd was very orderly no shouting or swearing but Walmart called the police in case there was trouble, so we had Two Land rovers and 4 police officers, who looked stunned when they arrived to see an orderly crowd. (great publicity shot ) Walmart security were very nice and accommodated the crowd by assisting people who had mobility issues up the steps. And the sun shone ! What more could we ask for ....... Well done Marple ;D
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How have you got the information that Asda want to close the Hazel Grove store ?
I was by one of the managers over twelve months ago sorry I don't have the managers name .
They only took iit on because the coop had to offload some of there stores when the took over summer field.
It was posted somewhere on this forum ,
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Thanks Amazon, what I will say is that there is no truth in it .
As the Co op, it was an underachieving store, as Asda, it definately isnt, and customer numbers are rising weekly, also Hazel Grove is number one in the region for customer service :)
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Walmart and CAMSFC agreed to hold the meeting outside due to size of crowd
Brings back memories of when this all kicked off, "The anger rises over Marple College sell off (http://themarpleleaf.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/anger-rises-over-marple-college-sell.html)".
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Good turn out considering the short notice etc.
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Tina , did you notice the man who was manning the door, You and I have seen him before at the focus group we attended on the subject of Marple , he was the one taking notes at the back of the room . ( And there was me saying in the hybrid car survey topic that the company who want the information do not attend )
What I will say about that focus group , is that Asda definitely listened , the group said they wanted Asda to consult the neighbours with an open day, and they did it . ( that was in just our group, so I'm guessing it was the same opinon in the many other groups that day )
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Local blogger Marple Leaf today tweets (https://twitter.com/MarpleLeaf/status/221582000769867777) "Have Asda made me change my mind over Marple store plans?", article at Asda reveals Marple plans (http://themarpleleaf.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/asda-reveals-marple-plans.html).
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Yes PP I spoke to him yesterday morning, I recognised him straight away, he said he did listen and took all the points into consideration. I told him I was part of the yes campaign and he asked why I didnt mention it at the meeting, but I told him I didnt want to force my views onto the other members of the panel as I think thats unfair as people should be able to express their own views on what they want in their Town.
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Why were the No group asked to not fill in the questionaire ? what is the purpose of not filling it in?
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Why were the No group asked to not fill in the questionaire ? what is the purpose of not filling it in?
I saw people ticking oppose on the questionnaire so thats not quite true
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Answering the Asda questions is saying ,I want an Asda. They have been set by a psychologist to get the results they want. I have been told some of the questions have been changed on a later print run. But I have not actually seen two sets of question.
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But of course they are going to set the questions to maximise the response they want what's wrong with that.They are fighting their corner just as those opposed to them are fighting theirs don't imply they are doing something wrong for doing the best for their side,
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Im glad there seems to be a balanced viewpoint on here re ASDA.
I for one am in favour of the plans especially after seeing the proposals first hand now.
It can only be positive for Marple in my opinion and nobody can argue that the centre is in dire need of an injection of life and I don't see any realistic alternatives put forward by MIA!
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I back on to the college and did not receive a leaflet, but did visit the consultation on Saturday. In response to my question about the traffic flow and the number of estimated customers, the reply was that Marple people would not use their cars and so the traffic situation would not greatly worsen. Bit of a nonsense when they propose building a petrol station on site!
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What actually happens to all the filled-in questionnaires???
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Still not had any information about this proposal. Weren't leaflets supposed to be delivered to all residents? I know that Romiley residents have had them (well at least the people I know in Romiley). We live in Marple Bridge and haven't had anything delivered.
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Still not had any information about this proposal. Weren't leaflets supposed to be delivered to all residents? I know that Romiley residents have had them (well at least the people I know in Romiley). We live in Marple Bridge and haven't had anything delivered.
That's interesting isn't it. So we've now heard that they were delivered in Offerton and Romiley but not on Woodville Drive, just round the corner to the site.
Why were the No group asked to not fill in the questionaire ? what is the purpose of not filling it in?
This seems very strange to me too. Surely you would want the No people to say they object, otherwise the survey would not be representative. The one I filled in had a box to tick if you object. I think it's odd that Marple in Action would give this guidance to its supporters.
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I dont think I got an answer to my question Mark about why they have asked their members not to fill them in :(
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Still not had any information about this proposal. Weren't leaflets supposed to be delivered to all residents? I know that Romiley residents have had them (well at least the people I know in Romiley). We live in Marple Bridge and haven't had anything delivered.
Nothing round marple bridge area .
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Still not had any information about this proposal. Weren't leaflets supposed to be delivered to all residents? I know that Romiley residents have had them (well at least the people I know in Romiley). We live in Marple Bridge and haven't had anything delivered.
Nothing round marple bridge area .
I live in Marple Bridge and had leaflets delivered about a week ago.
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Still not had any information about this proposal. Weren't leaflets supposed to be delivered to all residents? I know that Romiley residents have had them (well at least the people I know in Romiley). We live in Marple Bridge and haven't had anything delivered.
Nothing round marple bridge area .
I live in Marple Bridge and had leaflets delivered about a week ago.
No leaflets here in this part of Marple Bridge. Did get leaflets for the opening of Hattersley Tesco this week though.
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No leaflets in parts of Hawk Green either.
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Just received a flyer from MIA through my letterbox. It contains the snide comment that the Principal of C&MSFC does not live in Marple (as if that has anything to do with the issues at stake here). Here's a question from me. Will all the people who are active in MIA please confirm, via this website, where they actually work? Presumably, they must all live and work within Marple?
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And, given the valid criticism (on these pages) of the one-sided questions used by ASDA in the consulation exercise, the list of "alternative" questions on page 2 of the flyer is beyond parody. "Would you welcome more empty shops"?!!
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And, given the valid criticism (on these pages) of the onside questions used by ASDA in the consolation exercise, the list of "alternative" questions on page 2 of the fl yer is beyond parody. "Would you welcome more empty shops"?!!
Actually Guy I don't think they are valid criticisms at all, I don't particularly favour a development but I certainly expect ASDA to make the best possible case for the development that they can and I don't expect their presentation to be anything other than putting their case. I, if you like, expect it to be one sided it is after all ASDA who are paying for it. I am aware where the presentation is coming from and I take that into account.
Just as when I read anything put out by MiA I understand where its coming from and know its one sided and biased. I would not expect MiA to be putting ASDAs case.
So I think all this talk of bias need knocking on the head.