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Local Community => Local Issues => Sale of Hibbert Lane Campus to Supermarket Chain => Topic started by: Miss Marple on June 29, 2012, 08:12:16 PM

Title: MP and Councillors
Post by: Miss Marple on June 29, 2012, 08:12:16 PM
I have invited our MP and our two newly re  elected councillors who declared there opposition to a supermarket on Hibbert Lane to the MIA stall tomorrow.  I have as yet not had a reply but I am hopeful that they will set aside an hour or so tomorrow to meet the community who supported them gain re election
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: wheels on June 30, 2012, 09:08:17 AM
Why your MP he is not part of the decision making process and has no significant role to play here and I hope your Councillors are all already too busy to alter their plans to respond such late invitations.
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: Franz on June 30, 2012, 09:35:59 AM
Our MP because he is already playing a role in this matter and a speedy response from our councillors because this is electorally the most sensitive issue in Marple and a proposition on which they chose to take a position before the proposition was even made.
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: alan@romiley on June 30, 2012, 12:44:50 PM
Just how many members (excluding local traders) does the MIA have.

Are the views represented by contributors to this forum that of the public at large or just forum members?
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: wheels on June 30, 2012, 01:13:34 PM
Just how many members (excluding local traders) does the MIA have.

Are the views represented by contributors to this forum that of the public at large or just forum members?

Good question Alan because they come across as hectoring bullies with little understanding as to how the system works.

Their behaviour is like that of a young child shouting and crying with little attention given to the fact. We have elected Representatives I have more respect for those who have stood for public office even if not elected than I do for self appointed CAVE dwellers.
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: Miss Marple on June 30, 2012, 04:21:16 PM
Credit where credits due !  Andrew Stunnall  and the councillors all turned up to the MIA stall and spoke to residents concerned about the proposals.  Our MP was also able to inform us of the developing proposals. 
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: Victor M on July 01, 2012, 12:20:56 PM
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Are the views represented by contributors to this forum that of the public at large or just forum members?
I thought you have to be a forum member to be able to post on this site.
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: alan@romiley on July 04, 2012, 10:18:12 AM
I believe you are correct- Your point sir?
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: Victor M on July 04, 2012, 10:50:27 AM
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Are the views represented by contributors to this forum that of the public at large or just forum members?
I thought you have to be a forum member to be able to post on this site.

Alan,
You asked the question who could post on this site and have now confirmed the answer to your own question, do you need to rephrase your original question?
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: Dave on July 04, 2012, 11:03:42 AM
It's a good question.   If you click 'members' in the bar across the top of the forum, you'll see that there are currently 820 registered members, of whom nearly half have never actually posted!  820 is 3.5% of the population of Marple - so 96.5% of us are not members of this forum.  And the number of members who post on this issue regularly is really tiny - fewer than 20, at a guess.   Which leaves approx 23,480 good folk in Marple whose opinions are not registered here.  So let's not regard ourselves as representative!   ;D 
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: Miss Marple on July 04, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
It's a good question.   If you click 'members' in the bar across the top of the forum, you'll see that there are currently 820 registered members, of whom nearly half have never actually posted!  820 is 3.5% of the population of Marple - so 96.5% of us are not members of this forum.  And the number of members who post on this issue regularly is really tiny - fewer than 20, at a guess.   Which leaves approx 23,480 good folk in Marple whose opinions are not registered here.  So let's not regard ourselves as representative!   ;D 
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I may be a little of topic my old friend but even Walmart felt that 10,000 leaflets were enough to alert the community to their consultation so why do you keep going on about 23,480    But good news Dave old chap MIA have now nearly 11,000 signatures    Think you need to run off  another 1,000 leaflets Walmart  :D
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: simonesaffron on July 08, 2012, 06:20:01 AM
It's a good question.   If you click 'members' in the bar across the top of the forum, you'll see that there are currently 820 registered members, of whom nearly half have never actually posted!  820 is 3.5% of the population of Marple - so 96.5% of us are not members of this forum.  And the number of members who post on this issue regularly is really tiny - fewer than 20, at a guess.   Which leaves approx 23,480 good folk in Marple whose opinions are not registered here.  So let's not regard ourselves as representative!   ;D 
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I may be a little of topic my old friend but even Walmart felt that 10,000 leaflets were enough to alert the community to their consultation so why do you keep going on about 23,480    But good news Dave old chap MIA have now nearly 11,000 signatures    Think you need to run off  another 1,000 leaflets Walmart  :D


Miss M,

Polite request: What do you intend to do with all those signatures, who will you give them to, what will they do with them ? 
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: Dave on July 08, 2012, 08:58:33 AM
Miss M, 23,480 is the approximate number if Marple residents who do not contribute to this subject on the forum.

As for your petition, yes, we know about that. We know it includes people who don't live in Marple, people who have been asked to sign it by friends and are too polite to reduse, people who were unaware that the scheme would provide their kids and grandkids with badly-needed new facilities, and people who were bamboozled by being told porkies by your people in a tent in Market Street. And as Simone says, what's it worth right now? Zip. Zilch. Zero.
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: tricky on July 08, 2012, 09:12:11 AM
Have to say I agree Dave.

Your petition should start now that there's actual information available.

You previous one is mostly based on rumour
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: Steptoe and Son on July 08, 2012, 09:56:48 AM
All getting a bit fractious this!

Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: simonesaffron on July 08, 2012, 10:02:26 AM
I'm fairly certain that any signatures gained before ASDA's plans were revealed last week will be viewed as completely worthless by the decision makers.

I wouldn't be surprised if some people start asking for their signatures back and I think that MIA should publicise the opportunity for people to do this. 
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: Miss Marple on July 08, 2012, 01:46:57 PM
No Simone you can not be further from the truth.  We have gained more signatures since Walmarts consultation and offers of help from the community.    It was my turn to man the action line this morning and I have received 8 telephone calls from 9am - 12m complaining that they were not aware of the consultation yesterday and wanted information about when the next meeting would take place.
There are lots of the community who log in just to gain information but are not members so then contact the MIA phone line for more details.
Being in MIA is hard work the phone calls can be no stop some days and a group of people share phone line duties
Now that plans are forthcoming the interest has increased because Edwards Way,  Cross Lane and surrounding areas are all now becoming a little more interested in traffic.   My own neighbours are now becoming more involved due to the 230 car movements per hour that Walmart have stated will be at peak times.  I struggle to get off my drive now and the school children from Marple Hall all Jay Walk in the middle of the road trying to cross.  There is soon to be a you tube video of a typical day of commuting traffic which will be posted once completed.   So sorry to disappoint those who doubt MIAs support but it every increasing as more and more people have looked at the plans and seen how traffic for example will effect there lives.  A lot of interest in MIA is also growing from areas that can see there roads / streets becoming rat runs


Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: wheels on July 08, 2012, 02:00:02 PM
Well that's interesting enough M but it does not address Simone's point that a petition signed before plans were or are presented carries little weight and you will have to do it again directed directly at the actual lodged plans.

At 230 traffic movements an hour on Stockport Rd that does not seem to me a lot at just short of 4 cars a minute. Surely it is the concentration of traffic at certain times which is the problem and I can see that needs addressing.
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: Miss Marple on July 08, 2012, 02:09:18 PM
Well that's interesting enough M but it does not address Simone's point that a petition signed before plans were or are presented carries little weight and you will have to do it again directed directly at the actual lodged plans.

At 230 traffic movements an hour on Stockport Rd that does not seem to me a lot at just short of 4 cars a minute. Surely it is the concentration of traffic at certain times which is the problem and I can see that needs addressing.
If we have to do the petition again then so be it   The traffic is a nightmare and remember if Walmart are stating That there will be 230 cars an hour I think the true figure would be more !   You have not answered a question and that is where do you live ?
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: the rover on July 08, 2012, 03:46:00 PM
Well that's interesting enough M but it does not address Simone's point that a petition signed before plans were or are presented carries little weight and you will have to do it again directed directly at the actual lodged plans.

At 230 traffic movements an hour on Stockport Rd that does not seem to me a lot at just short of 4 cars a minute. Surely it is the concentration of traffic at certain times which is the problem and I can see that needs addressing.

Surely the 230 additional cars will not be at peak times when people are going to and from work or going to school, most people do a weekly shop at weekends or on a Friday night. I used to work in Stockport and every working day did the peak time runs, I wasn't bothered that I had to sit in slow moving traffic getting to and from work, it was and always will be an accepted thing with no alternative. If you cannot accept that living in Marple and having to work outside of Marple means traveling in slow moving traffic each day at peak times then move out of Marple!
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: JMC on July 08, 2012, 04:23:25 PM
I would be interested in knowing if the increased traffic will be offset by the people that will no longer need to travel out of Marple to shop and the possible decrease in delivery trucks to the area. There are so many online deliveries in my area by Asda/Tesco etc. and I wonder if any of these will be reduced.
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: simonesaffron on July 08, 2012, 04:39:19 PM
No Simone you can not be further from the truth.  We have gained more signatures since Walmarts consultation and offers of help from the community.    It was my turn to man the action line this morning and I have received 8 telephone calls from 9am - 12m complaining that they were not aware of the consultation yesterday and wanted information about when the next meeting would take place.
There are lots of the community who log in just to gain information but are not members so then contact the MIA phone line for more details.
Being in MIA is hard work the phone calls can be no stop some days and a group of people share phone line duties
Now that plans are forthcoming the interest has increased because Edwards Way,  Cross Lane and surrounding areas are all now becoming a little more interested in traffic.   My own neighbours are now becoming more involved due to the 230 car movements per hour that Walmart have stated will be at peak times.  I struggle to get off my drive now and the school children from Marple Hall all Jay Walk in the middle of the road trying to cross.  There is soon to be a you tube video of a typical day of commuting traffic which will be posted once completed.   So sorry to disappoint those who doubt MIAs support but it every increasing as more and more people have looked at the plans and seen how traffic for example will effect there lives.  A lot of interest in MIA is also growing from areas that can see there roads / streets becoming rat runs





I don't know where you live Miss M (and I wouldn't be so intrusive to ask) and of course I accept what you say about struggling to get off your drive. It's not an easy job to get off mine. There is more traffic now and that's a fact . Asda will bring even more and that's a fact. Whatever our differing opinons about MIA, I also do not doubt that you work very hard neither do I doubt the sincerity of your own cause.

But sometimes your obvious passion overwhelms your obvious intelligence. Some time ago you presented a 6 thousand signature petition to the AC these signatures were gained through information that everybody now knows was exaggerated and this petition as far as Couincillors are concerned will now be considered useless by them.

Do you not feel that whatever happens now with this issue  that the outcome (whatever it is) is inevitable and that MIA has done all that it  can and is now spent as a campaign force. What more can you actually do that can have any influence on either SMBC, ASDA or CAMSFC ? Even for idealists there is a point of realisation when they know they have to put down the rifle and look for a compromise. 

       
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: Miss Marple on July 08, 2012, 06:28:10 PM
Our local councillor was only elected on around 2,000 votes so I think our show of support and signatures is remarkable.      ;D
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: Duke Fame on July 08, 2012, 06:34:57 PM
You talk as if the No campaign has lost. The development in the last week has in fairness shown the campaign is not battling an imaginary problem. The plans are clearly showing what we already know, it's close enough to the town to destroy the businesses there, far enough away to not compliment it (see Michael Taylor's blog Marple leaf).

Petitions are always difficult, if you have 10,000 signatures there are 14,000 you didn't get. SMbc will not be able to approve it, Asda will appeal & it will be out of SMBC's hands.

Will the increased car traffic mean 4 petrol stations be supported in business?

Will there be enough food purchases to support the current output & Asda?

Will anyone pay to park in Marple to shop?

The empty shops are already here.

What Marple needs is a shop that complements the centre in the centre or a remodelling to make the centre a great place to run a business.

Will
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: amazon on July 08, 2012, 07:41:20 PM
You talk as if the No campaign has lost. The development in the last week has in fairness shown the campaign is not battling an imaginary problem. The plans are clearly showing what we already know, it's close enough to the town to destroy the businesses there, far enough away to not compliment it (see Michael Taylor's blog Marple leaf).

Petitions are always difficult, if you have 10,000 signatures there are 14,000 you didn't get. SMbc will not be able to approve it, Asda will appeal & it will be out of SMBC's hands.

Will the increased car traffic mean 4 petrol stations be supported in business?

Will there be enough food purchases to support the current output & Asda?

Will anyone pay to park in Marple to shop?

The empty shops are already here.

What Marple needs is a shop that complements the centre in the centre or a remodelling to make the centre a great place to run a business.

Will

You know the answers sugest what .
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: Duke Fame on July 08, 2012, 09:33:10 PM
You talk as if the No campaign has lost. The development in the last week has in fairness shown the campaign is not battling an imaginary problem. The plans are clearly showing what we already know, it's close enough to the town to destroy the businesses there, far enough away to not compliment it (see Michael Taylor's blog Marple leaf).

Petitions are always difficult, if you have 10,000 signatures there are 14,000 you didn't get. SMbc will not be able to approve it, Asda will appeal & it will be out of SMBC's hands.

Will the increased car traffic mean 4 petrol stations be supported in business?

Will there be enough food purchases to support the current output & Asda?

Will anyone pay to park in Marple to shop?

The empty shops are already here.

What Marple needs is a shop that complements the centre in the centre or a remodelling to make the centre a great place to run a business.

Will

You know the answers sugest what .

The answers suggest that an Asda will have a detrimental effect on existing businesses.

The loss of those businesses IMHO will have a detrimental effect on the town, employment & wealth
Title: Re: MP and Councillors
Post by: wheels on July 23, 2012, 11:28:25 PM
Our MP because he is already playing a role in this matter and a speedy response from our councillors because this is electorally the most sensitive issue in Marple and a proposition on which they chose to take a position before the proposition was even made.


I think oyu miss the point totally here by demanding that Councillors come out on your side before even a planing application has been lodged to consider you are in fact giving ASDA a perfect case in any appeal.

This demand for a public oath of loyality is handing victory to ASDA.