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Archive => Archived Boards => Sale of Hibbert Lane Campus to Supermarket Chain => Topic started by: bryonypearce18 on February 24, 2012, 12:16:40 PM
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I have heard rumours about ASDA/Tesco planning to situate a roundabout at the T junction right next to Marple Swimming Baths, which would result in the swimming baths being demolished, I was just wandering if anyone knows if these rumours are actually true or if it is just hearsay?
Thanks!
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Like so much of the stuff surrounding the college/supermarket issue, this is pure speculation. It's based on the possibility that if a planning application is submitted for the construction of a supermarket in Hibbert Lane, and in the (fairly unlikely) event that it is approved, the Council might impose a condition on it that the Hibbert Lane/Stockport Road junction must be rebuilt to cope with an increase in traffic, and that this rebuilding might entail a roundabout, which might just be so big that the baths would have to be demolished. On the other hand, the council might do nothing of the sort.......... ;)
If this improbable scenario were to happen, however, it would probably be good news, because the council would almost certainly require the developers to fund the construction of new swimming baths on another site. Like, er, Hibbert Lane? :D
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No planning application has YET been made with regard to the Stockport Road/Hibbert lane junction. However as part of the planning application the developers will have to show how improvements could be made to the infrastructure so as not to cause traffic chaos in Marple. This will no doubt cause changes to be proposed at the junction adjacent to the baths. These changes could have a negative impact on the number of people using the baths due to reductions in the number of parking spaces available in the locality and difficulty travelling there.
Also part of the proposed development on the Buxton Lane site will have to include a new dry sports facility that will probably include a Gym, open to the public. Marple swimming baths currently operates at a small loss, any changes to the revenues of the baths could result in them becoming uneconomic and thereby eventually closing.
So even though there may be NO direct proposal to demolish the baths, the proposed development on Hibbert Lane could result in the closure of the baths.
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This will no doubt cause changes to be proposed at the junction adjacent to the baths. These changes could have a negative impact on the number of people using the baths due to reductions in the number of parking spaces available in the locality and difficulty travelling there....... So even though there may be NO direct proposal to demolish the baths, the proposed development on Hibbert Lane could result in the closure of the baths.
I can't see the logic of that. Surely if road works to improve the junction simply mean losing a few parking spaces in what is already a very small car park, that in itself will not cause the baths to close. There's plenty of other parking within a short walk.
What we need is the the baths to be demolished and the council to make Asda pay for nice shiny new baths via a Section 106 Agreement. ;D
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No planning application has YET been made with regard to the Stockport Road/Hibbert lane junction. However as part of the planning application the developers will have to show how improvements could be made to the infrastructure so as not to cause traffic chaos in Marple. This will no doubt cause changes to be proposed at the junction adjacent to the baths. These changes could have a negative impact on the number of people using the baths due to reductions in the number of parking spaces available in the locality and difficulty travelling there.
Also part of the proposed development on the Buxton Lane site will have to include a new dry sports facility that will probably include a Gym, open to the public. Marple swimming baths currently operates at a small loss, any changes to the revenues of the baths could result in them becoming uneconomic and thereby eventually closing.
So even though there may be NO direct proposal to demolish the baths, the proposed development on Hibbert Lane could result in the closure of the baths.
Does anyone know we're a supermarket in the area and I mean Bredury .stockport hazel grove Glosop Causes
Traffic chaos
Do they all go shopping at the same time .
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No planning application has YET been made with regard to the Stockport Road/Hibbert lane junction. However as part of the planning application the developers will have to show how improvements could be made to the infrastructure so as not to cause traffic chaos in Marple. This will no doubt cause changes to be proposed at the junction adjacent to the baths. These changes could have a negative impact on the number of people using the baths due to reductions in the number of parking spaces available in the locality and difficulty travelling there.
Also part of the proposed development on the Buxton Lane site will have to include a new dry sports facility that will probably include a Gym, open to the public. Marple swimming baths currently operates at a small loss, any changes to the revenues of the baths could result in them becoming uneconomic and thereby eventually closing.
So even though there may be NO direct proposal to demolish the baths, the proposed development on Hibbert Lane could result in the closure of the baths.
And a new more modern baths being built benefit to all less cost to smbc .
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Any idea that you will get a new baths out of this is pure fantasy. First there is no room on the Buxton lane site for a wet and dry facility + off road parking. What will happen is the baths will continue for a few years after the supermarket has been built and then to save money, because of the falling numbers, close, long after the developer has left the area.
The record of supermarkets building new swimming pools is not good, the last ones Tesco built just included the outer shell, leaving the building empty as the council had no money to provide all the internal bits (boiler, filtration etc.)
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No planning application has YET been made with regard to the Stockport Road/Hibbert lane junction. However as part of the planning application the developers will have to show how improvements could be made to the infrastructure so as not to cause traffic chaos in Marple. This will no doubt cause changes to be proposed at the junction adjacent to the baths. These changes could have a negative impact on the number of people using the baths due to reductions in the number of parking spaces available in the locality and difficulty travelling there.
Also part of the proposed development on the Buxton Lane site will have to include a new dry sports facility that will probably include a Gym, open to the public. Marple swimming baths currently operates at a small loss, any changes to the revenues of the baths could result in them becoming uneconomic and thereby eventually closing.
So even though there may be NO direct proposal to demolish the baths, the proposed development on Hibbert Lane could result in the closure of the baths.
Surely thats a collection of ifs, on top of if's, on top of if's. Very little 'evidence' for any of this doomsday scenario.
What would happen if some of the expected hoardes of new people sucked into Marple by the supermarket, fancies a dip before shopping. Happy days for the swimming pool then!
I think we ought to stick to what we know, rather than what we guess.
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Belly I don't know if you understand but some of us simple folk hold the Swimming Baths in high esteem. This was Marple's pride and joy, it was where bands played, Mike Yarwood entertained, local children all went there to learn to swim, Billy Graham type baptisms were conducted there all this before Marple even had traffic lights.
There was a chap who spoke at a meeting at one of the meetings held at the Buxton Lane campus who informed us of how many local children learnt to swim there and have now gone on to the Olympics. So agreed it may be in need of modernising but not demolishing, it's our history and also a gift to the people of MARPLE.
Message to self ! if I ever win the lottery don't gift anything to Marple because some people will sell it for 30 pieces of silver :-\
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Belly I don't know if you understand but some of us simple folk hold the Swimming Baths in high esteem. This was Marple's pride and joy, it was where bands played, Mike Yarwood entertained, local children all went there to learn to swim, Billy Graham type baptisms were conducted there all this before Marple even had traffic lights.
There was a chap who spoke at a meeting at one of the meetings held at the Buxton Lane campus who informed us of how many local children learnt to swim there and have now gone on to the Olympics. So agreed it may be in need of modernising but not demolishing, it's our history and also a gift to the people of MARPLE.
Message to self ! if I ever win the lottery don't gift anything to Marple because some people will sell it for 30 pieces of silver :-\
I don't doubt it. But why discuss knocking it down without any recourse to any plan to do so? That just seems to be playing on people's fears. As I've said before, if we are going to have a proper review of the proposals and mount a full and logical defence against the scheme, we must deal in facts and not (for the moment) fiction.
I can just imagine certain people thinking - "I'm objecting to this supermarket because we will lose the swimming baths", development plans come out, swimming baths still there, "oh thats ok then, I'm not so bothered now".
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MIA have not said the baths are being demolished ! We reported what college staff who attended a meeting last year at the college with the Tesco suits were informed, and that was that the baths would be relocated. It's what them in the know call a sweetener. :-X See the first post Tesco / ASDA it will explain it all
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A sweetener would be fine if it's guaranteed to go ahead. I can't seethe need for the Baths to go, even if the junction needs enlarging. The newsagent and the adjoining property may well go but the angle at which the baths are built means it's unlikely to get in the way.
I do think MIA should distance itself from the rumours as a lot of the noise that emanates from a conversation overheard at a bus stop appears to then get pounced upon by MIA. I've heard the campaigners in the tent on the precinct telling interested parties some of these rumours and it lets down their campaign (which overall I tend to agree with)
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I've heard the campaigners in the tent on the precinct telling interested parties some of these rumours and it lets down their campaign
Me too. And it's surely unnecessary. I don't agree with them, as it happens, but I can see that MIA have got a perfectly reasonable case to argue, without resorting to spreading rumour and misinformation.
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I don't think that the threat to the baths is a rumour. The baths are the oldest public swimming pool in the borough and as such take far more maintenance than the newer pools. Also the baths is only 25 yards long so isn't really suitable for competitive swimmers at county level and above, and does not have a modern teaching pool for beginners.
SMBC have already stated that the pool is running at a loss, and was at one time on a list of facilities that could close. This was very successfully fought by the local swimming club.
In these financial times the pool is under threat, any changes to the infrastructure around the pool that affects the number of visitors could well affect the viability of the pool.
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I don't think that the threat to the baths is a rumour. The baths are the oldest public swimming pool in the borough and as such take far more maintenance than the newer pools. Also the baths is only 25 yards long so isn't really suitable for competitive swimmers at county level and above, and does not have a modern teaching pool for beginners.
SMBC have already stated that the pool is running at a loss, and was at one time on a list of facilities that could close. This was very successfully fought by the local swimming club.
In these financial times the pool is under threat, any changes to the infrastructure around the pool that affects the number of visitors could well affect the viability of the pool.
But surely better access by road and potentially (if you believe that argument) lots more visitors to Marple (shopping at the supermarket) would therefore be a good thing for the baths and the number of users could grow.
Conversely if Marple Town Centre is to be decimated by a supermarket there will be a nice empty public car park on the other side of Hibbert Lane connected by a pedestrian crossing which could be used by swimmers. ;)
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I don't think that the threat to the baths is a rumour. The baths are the oldest public swimming pool in the borough and as such take far more maintenance than the newer pools. Also the baths is only 25 yards long so isn't really suitable for competitive swimmers at county level and above, and does not have a modern teaching pool for beginners.
SMBC have already stated that the pool is running at a loss, and was at one time on a list of facilities that could close. This was very successfully fought by the local swimming club.
In these financial times the pool is under threat, any changes to the infrastructure around the pool that affects the number of visitors could well affect the viability of the pool.
Victor, you're almost certainly correct that the Pool is under threat of closure, for the reasons stated. However, they are completely unrelated to any supermarket development, and any changes to the junction layout. The car park holds, what 8 to 10 cars, and there are 3 or 4 spaces out front. Every time I try to park in that area of Marple (visits to the Dentist & Post Office mainly) they are always full. Loosing some, or all, of those spaces will make no difference to the viability of the Pool.
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14 car parking places being lost would equate to about 50 visits per day to the pool, if half of those people went elsewhere then that would equate to 300+ users per week. That would certainly have an impact on the pools viability. Also loss of the places outside the pool would mean that parents wouldn't be able to stop and drop their children off easily, which would probably mean a fair number of those would go elsewhere as well. It wouldn't be the only factor but it could be the straw that broke the camels back.
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Victor M don't worry the Baths will never close ! So ASDA ( we know you follow this thread) we are one step ahead so you had better think again,that's if your thoughts were that of Tesco who met with college staff around May 2011 and informed them that a roundabout would be where the swimming baths now stand. ! You have had one gifted facility you will not have another ! MARPLE councillors ! (we also know you read this site with interest) you must also take on board this issue and fight for what is right and proper.
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14 car parking places being lost would equate to about 50 visits per day to the pool, if half of those people went elsewhere then that would equate to 300+ users per week. That would certainly have an impact on the pools viability. Also loss of the places outside the pool would mean that parents wouldn't be able to stop and drop their children off easily, which would probably mean a fair number of those would go elsewhere as well. It wouldn't be the only factor but it could be the straw that broke the camels back.
Very few people using the pool use the car park, and those who do can often walk to & from the car park across the road. As said befor, the car parks will be empty as the centre of town will be dead
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Has nobody else who is commenting on this subject not noticed that the baths have just had Solar Panels installed all over the rear roof, I don't think that SMBC would waste that money if the baths were going to be demolised, then again this is SMBC we are talking about!
Besides the small car park did you know that you can also park in the parking area right at the back of the baths building, the permit parking does not start until near to the steps at the car park end of the baths.
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Has nobody else who is commenting on this subject not noticed that the baths have just had Solar Panels installed all over the rear roof, I don't think that SMBC would waste that money if the baths were going to be demolised, then again this is SMBC we are talking about!
Besides the small car park did you know that you can also park in the parking area right at the back of the baths building, the permit parking does not start until near to the steps at the car park end of the baths.
Solar panels on a lot of the blocks of flats they have have a Run round Overton loads of the roofs round that area . Could be a deal they have going .
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I know that SMBC have been installing Solar Panels on some council houses/bungalows and are going to observe the bills over a year to see if there is enough of a saving to make it worth while installing them on all council houses/bungalows in Marple. Some have been installed on Edwards Way & Carver Road and probably some other council houses in areas in Marple that I don't visit.
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I know that SMBC have been installing Solar Panels on some council houses/bungalows and are going to observe the bills over a year to see if there is enough of a saving to make it worth while installing them on all council houses/bungalows in Marple. Some have been installed on Edwards Way & Carver Road and probably some other council houses in areas in Marple that I don't visit.
Jeez, so you get a house given for nowt and free heating. We wonder why nobody bothers working anymore!
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I know that SMBC have been installing Solar Panels on some council houses/bungalows and are going to observe the bills over a year to see if there is enough of a saving to make it worth while installing them on all council houses/bungalows in Marple. Some have been installed on Edwards Way & Carver Road and probably some other council houses in areas in Marple that I don't visit.
Jeez, so you get a house given for nowt and free heating. We wonder why nobody bothers working anymore!
Duke Fame, tha caring sharing face of conservatism ;D
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Jeez, so you get a house given for nowt and free heating. We wonder why nobody bothers working anymore!
This is quite offensive, as well as a 'chav' comment on another post. Sounds like a Daily mail type of mindset.
Lots of people in council houses work actually. Lots of people were given them in the 1950s when it was quite acceptable and at one time 1/3 of the population lived in them.
They aren't 'given for nowt', people pay rent. Many vunerable groups such as people with disabilities are housed in them and unable to work.
Comments like the above fuel the idea that those against the Supermarket are merely snobs and shouldn't be acceptable on this website.
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Jeez, so you get a house given for nowt and free heating. We wonder why nobody bothers working anymore!
This is quite offensive, as well as a 'chav' comment on another post. Sounds like a Daily mail type of mindset.
Lots of people in council houses work actually. Lots of people were given them in the 1950s when it was quite acceptable and at one time 1/3 of the population lived in them.
They aren't 'given for nowt', people pay rent. Many vunerable groups such as people with disabilities are housed in them and unable to work.
Comments like the above fuel the idea that those against the Supermarket are merely snobs and shouldn't be acceptable on this website.
There are some who get their housing paid for. I support social housing for those genuinely unable to participate in the economy, everyone else should pay market rate for their rent and their heating.
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Jeez, so you get a house given for nowt and free heating. We wonder why nobody bothers working anymore!
This is quite offensive, as well as a 'chav' comment on another post. Sounds like a Daily mail type of mindset.
Lots of people in council houses work actually. Lots of people were given them in the 1950s when it was quite acceptable and at one time 1/3 of the population lived in them.
They aren't 'given for nowt', people pay rent. Many vunerable groups such as people with disabilities are housed in them and unable to work.
Comments like the above fuel the idea that those against the Supermarket are merely snobs and shouldn't be acceptable on this website.
JMC,The above comments are Dukes and are not typical of MIA supporters.Many people who live in social housing do not want an Asda at the bottom of their garden or in front of their property.The housing around the site on Hibbert Lane is mostly Social or Ex social,Council or local authority,call it what you like.A lot of these people do not want it.
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Jeez, so you get a house given for nowt and free heating. We wonder why nobody bothers working anymore!
This is quite offensive, as well as a 'chav' comment on another post. Sounds like a Daily mail type of mindset.
Lots of people in council houses work actually. Lots of people were given them in the 1950s when it was quite acceptable and at one time 1/3 of the population lived in them.
They aren't 'given for nowt', people pay rent. Many vunerable groups such as people with disabilities are housed in them and unable to work.
Comments like the above fuel the idea that those against the Supermarket are merely snobs and shouldn't be acceptable on this website.
JMC,The above comments are Dukes and are not typical of MIA supporters.Many people who live in social housing do not want an Asda at the bottom of their garden or in front of their property.The housing around the site on Hibbert Lane is mostly Social or Ex social,Council or local authority,call it what you like.A lot of these people do not want it.
But I bet they will use it when it comes .....
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Dear Mrs O
MIA are a complete irrelevance as to whether ASDA comes to town or not. The days when ASDA and its ilk were welcome in Cities,Towns and Villages without any opposition are long gone. ASDA of course are used to such "campaigns" they are victorious, veterans of hundreds of them. They know that once a Supermarket is built it is a "fait de complit" and that even the biggest "NO" diehard will walk through their supermarket doors eventually.
ASDA are not interested in public opinion they are interested in money. MIA - bless em, can delude themselves all they want, they can march from Jon 'O' Groats to Lands End (many wish they would) and deliver a petition with a million votes, they can put up 10,000 posters if they wish. None of these actions will hold any sway with either ASDA or for that matter SMBC. The only people who will be influenced by MIA will be local Councillors fearful of being unelected and we already know how they have reacted - by caving in and rendering themselves impotent.
All MIA have acheived as has been said many times on this website is to completely scupper the Local Area Committee from having any kind of input into the decision making process of ASDA setting up shop on Hibbert Lane.
Well done MIA... This has really helped the local community of Marple.
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I think, whether you agree with them or not, you have to credit MIA of bringing the issue to the attention of may Marple residents who wouldn't have been aware of it otherwise.
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I think, whether you agree with them or not, you have to credit MIA of bringing the issue to the attention of may Marple residents who wouldn't have been aware of it otherwise.
I agree entirely Steptoe about the public awareness, I think that they've done a great job there. I just wish they'd keep out of the other aspects of the issue, which they obviously know nothing about and also that they would stop pretending that they are informed as they know little more than the rest of us and also that they have any influence with anybody that counts as they obviously don't.
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you have to credit MIA of bringing the issue to the attention of may Marple residents who wouldn't have been aware of it otherwise.
Agreed. But it's unfortunate that bringing it to people's attention has gone hand in hand, at times, with giving them false information.
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Jeez, so you get a house given for nowt and free heating. We wonder why nobody bothers working anymore!
As with many of your comments, this shows astounding ignorance, prejudice and an unpleasant disposition. Putting you straight would be easy but you may learn something if you did a little research of your own.
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you have to credit MIA of bringing the issue to the attention of may Marple residents who wouldn't have been aware of it otherwise.
Agreed. But it's unfortunate that bringing it to people's attention has gone hand in hand, at times, with giving them false information.
And just what would that false information be ! No information posted by myself or indeed any other MIA member is false. The swimming baths and the roundabout was brought to MIA attention by staff who had attended a meeting at the college Fact not Fiction. So now Dave my old mucker ! list what's false and I will provide where that information came from. Please stop just putting wild remarks on just to point score, you are becoming boring !
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And just what would that false information be ! No information posted by myself or indeed any other MIA member is false. The swimming baths and the roundabout was brought to MIA attention by staff who had attended a meeting at the college Fact not Fiction. So now Dave my old mucker ! list what's false and I will provide where that information came from. Please stop just putting wild remarks on just to point score, you are becoming boring !
"Posted" being the operative word. What people have been told on Market St to encourage them to sign the petition is entirely another matter.
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And just what would that false information be ! No information posted by myself or indeed any other MIA member is false. The swimming baths and the roundabout was brought to MIA attention by staff who had attended a meeting at the college Fact not Fiction. So now Dave my old mucker ! list what's false and I will provide where that information came from. Please stop just putting wild remarks on just to point score, you are becoming boring !
"Posted" being the operative word. What people have been told on Market St to encourage them to sign the petition is entirely another matter.
What have people been told on market street ? This is all news to me, please explain
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Posted" being the operative word. What people have been told on Market St to encourage them to sign the petition is entirely another matter.
It should not be news to you, Miss M, as I have related this experience at least once before. I was sheltering from a shower under the MIA gazebo (thanks, MIA ;D), and overheard a clipboard-wielding MIA person (male) telling two shocked people that the college's plans for Hibbert Lane were just a 'smokescreen' (his exact word) for the real plan, which was to move out of Marple altogether! That was the false information which I was referring to.
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Insulting language removed by Howard. Please keep it civil, Miss M.
Dave / Finetime do you really fail to understand that YOU TWO only know what you know because of MIA and MIA only know what they know because they have spoken to 3 ex governors (stood down in protest of proposals ) Ms Cassidy, Mr Hubert, Chair of the corporation, ASDA ! Yes ASDA . Chief Executive of YPLA, Dorothy Smith Head of YPLA North West , Staff who were present at the original meeting in May / June 2011 with Tesco and the college consultants.
So my friends :-\ my question to you two is who have you spoken too to be so adamant that what MIA report is untrue. Do you both realise how your posts sound to people like myself, who have actually taken time to seek out information. The information is out there and you would both do well to seek it out and then, and only then can we enter into an informed debate ! I think you both need a reality check.
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Just out of interest - not an argument! - what's the 'A' in MIA for? Is it Action against a supermarket or Allowing a level-headed analysis ::)
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Just out of interest - not an argument! - what's the 'A' in MIA for? Is it Action against a supermarket or Allowing a level-headed analysis ::)
Allowing a level - headed analysis with insight into the presenting issue
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So let's get this straight Miss M; is MIA still alleging that the college's real intention is to move out of Marple entirely?
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Dave / Finetime do you really fail to understand that YOU TWO only know what you know because of MIA and MIA only know what they know because they have spoken to 3 ex governors (stood down in protest of proposals ) Ms Cassidy, Mr Hubert, Chair of the corporation, ASDA ! Yes ASDA . Chief Executive of YPLA, Dorothy Smith Head of YPLA North West , Staff who were present at the original meeting in May / June 2011 with Tesco and the college consultants.
So my friends :-\ my question to you two is who have you spoken too to be so adamant that what MIA report is untrue. Do you both realise how your posts sound to people like myself, who have actually taken time to seek out information. The information is out there and you would both do well to seek it out and then, and only then can we enter into an informed debate ! I think you both need a reality check.
Dear Miss M - Exactly what have MIA to report?
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Finetime I would have thought the question should be, what have you exactly to report. Surely both yourself and Dave have by now made some enquiries and spoken to some people in a way to seek out fact from the fiction you are both convinced exists. If I was active in a forum debate I would make it my Business to have some insight and knowledge around the subject I was contributing too. Famous saying " you can talk the talk but fail to walk the walk". This I feel sums up this situation perfectly
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So let's get this straight Miss M; is MIA still alleging that the college's real intention is to move out of Marple entirely?
MIA has never said that it is the college 's intention to move out of Marple, I am not sure who the chap was on the stall but he was not speaking on behalf of MIA Did you challenge his remarks ???
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I am not sure who the chap was on the stall but he was not speaking on behalf of MIA
Sorry Miss M, but I'm afraid he was. He was manning your stall. He was carrying an MIA clipboard with your petition on it, and asking passers by to sign it. He was speaking for MIA. End of story.
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Maybe it was the ASDA mole trying to confuse the issue :-\
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Sounds like this man was conveying his own thoughts in conversation.People can make their own mind up!Quick,grab him,put him in the stocks. ::)
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Sounds like MIA have been watching reruns of Fairly Secret Army ;D
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Sounds like MIA have been watching reruns of Fairly Secret Army ;D
No ! We have been watching ' Tales of the Unexpected ' :-\
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How sad!