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Title: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: Duke Fame on December 10, 2011, 11:39:23 PM
He's just been on radio 5 arguing very well over race, would he have been a better mp for us? Was Marple simply too racist to vote an Asian mp?
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: Dave on December 11, 2011, 10:07:35 AM
It doesn't look like racism to me.  If you have a look at the way the Libdem majority has shrunk over the past few elections....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazel_Grove_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

.....you'll see that Abercorn made greater inroads into Stunnell's majority than any other Tory candidate in recent years.  The Libdem majority was down from nearly 20% in 2005 to just over 15% in 2010.  He also got a bigger share of the vote (33.6%) than any Tory since Tom Arnold held the seat in 1992.  

I think his problem may be more a lack of local connections - he could be seen as a bit of a 'carpetbagger' candidate.  He is also very young, which in a constituency with more than its share of old codgers (including me) may be a bit of a drawback.......

(Mind you, by using the word 'tranny' you've given yourself away as an old codger too, Duke   :D )
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: Steptoe and Son on December 11, 2011, 11:04:31 AM
Rather than labelling Marple as racist, perhaps the people of Marple just didn't want a tory? 
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: doc on December 11, 2011, 02:32:13 PM
 Lib Dem/Tory = same difference. Let's have a Labour MP.
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: Duke Fame on December 11, 2011, 08:52:28 PM
Lib Dem/Tory = same difference. Let's have a Labour MP.

Ewww no, not after the last lot...nasty pieces of work the lot of them. We'll all end up with lice.

I think Dave may have been right, his age was against him. I went to the little debate at the Methodist church before the election and people were quite hostile towards him despite his answers being liberal conservative as opposed to the right of the party. I felt there was a certain amount of racism in the room.

I also see your point re. tranny, that word seems to have been hijacked along with gay. I think it's the wireless these days.
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: Miss Marple on December 11, 2011, 09:23:39 PM
I think Marple  needs and deserves a complete change
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: Duke Fame on December 11, 2011, 11:06:04 PM
I think Marple  needs and deserves a complete change

Are you unhappy with Andrew Stunnell? Why?
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: Steptoe and Son on December 12, 2011, 08:02:40 PM
Tories bandying around accusations of racism...the world really is a strange place at the moment.
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: Duke Fame on December 12, 2011, 11:17:46 PM
Tories bandying around accusations of racism...the world really is a strange place at the moment.

He was arguing that the union flag should not be seen as divisive and not a racist symbol. He made his points very well but he was arguing with one of those holier than though socialist types, he was always going to come away the winner. 
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: Miss Marple on December 12, 2011, 11:39:04 PM
I think Marple  needs and deserves a complete change

Are you unhappy with Andrew Stunnell? Why?
No ! Not yet !   But MARPLE is watching all elected members now !  Like I have said before, gone are the days when deals were done behind closed doors. Even though it plays havoc with my social life, I along with others intend to be at every Area Comettee meeting, listening, learning and questioning.  It's quite interesting really I bet you didn't know that we call our neighbourhood police officer a sheriff ! Blimey what with Cassidy and her son dance kid, MARPLE will be Dodge City next 
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: My login is Henrietta on December 13, 2011, 02:21:10 AM
Lib Dem/Tory = same difference. Let's have a Labour MP.
We had one once (before I was old enough to vote so probably before any of you were around). He wasn't much use. The canard went round that he had only spoken in the House once and that was to ask for a window to be opened. I have it in the back of my mind that he had a name like Shadwell Moxley but I could be wrong
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: Dave on December 13, 2011, 09:26:49 AM
Shadwell Moxley - terrific name!  According to Wikipedia:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazel_Grove_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

....Hazel Grove has only had Liberal or Tory MPs since the constituency was created in 1974.  Maybe Henrietta is remembering an MP from before that time?   Anyone know what constituency we were in then?  Chesire East??
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: Tricky on December 13, 2011, 09:32:07 AM

General Election 1966: Cheadle - Labour - Sholto Moxley 12,244

Came 3rd with about 16% of the vote.
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: Dave on December 13, 2011, 10:01:07 AM
Thanks tricky.  So he was a candidate, but not an MP.  Still a good name tho'. 
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: doc on December 15, 2011, 08:19:46 PM
" Armchair socialists " - " Holier than thou socialists "
Do I gather socialism is not popular on this forum? Bet you read the Daily Mail
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: Duke Fame on December 16, 2011, 10:28:03 PM
" Armchair socialists " - " Holier than thou socialists "
Do I gather socialism is not popular on this forum? Bet you read the Daily Mail

No Doc, it's called having an education.
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: Miss Marple on December 16, 2011, 11:34:27 PM
" Armchair socialists " - " Holier than thou socialists "
Do I gather socialism is not popular on this forum? Bet you read the Daily Mail
It's popular in Coop they sell the Morning Star !
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: amazon on December 17, 2011, 08:42:02 PM
" Armchair socialists " - " Holier than thou socialists "
Do I gather socialism is not popular on this forum? Bet you read the Daily Mail
It's popular in Coop they sell the Morning Star !
                  Like that miss  marple .
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: Lisa Oldham on December 18, 2011, 09:27:49 AM
Duke.. i don't think there is any more racism in Marple than anywhere else.  Sadly its a fact of life that we have to ashamedly accept is out there and more so over the last few years.  Having had a very heated discussion in the pub the other day with someone who is a generally a very decent, run of the mill, middle classed person telling me all muslims are terrible and only nice to us in public(and a variety of other stuff) its something I find incredibly difficult to deal with.. though i had a bloody good go :D

So I might vote for Annesley next time simply because he is Asian.. We need a change locally and he would be a breath of fresh air.  Its the Tory thing I'm having great difficulty with though...

BUT.. I doubt he ll get in, or at least not via Marple voters because Marple, and much of Stockport really, expect a local person or someone who has shown a commitment to Stockport.  Andrew Stunnell isn't from round here originally but he has served his way through council positions before winning the Parliamentary seat. He also came back over and over again before winning, how many different Tory candidates have we had over the last few years? Will we in fact get a different one next time anyway?
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2011, 10:02:58 AM
Marple, and much of Stockport really, expect a local person or someone who has shown a commitment to Stockport.  Andrew Stunnell isn't from round here originally but he has served his way through council positions before winning the Parliamentary seat. He also came back over and over again before winning, how many different Tory candidates have we had over the last few years? Will we in fact get a different one next time anyway?

Exactly!  And I don't think it's just round here that people look for candidates who know and have lived in the locality.  Stunnell has lived in the North West (mostly in this part of it) since he came to be a student in Manchester 50 years ago, so his local credentials are impeccable. 

If you look at Abercorn's cv, he's obviously a clever guy and a rising star with good prospects in the Tory party, but I think they'll need to find him a safe seat.  As for the outcome of the next election here in Hazel Grove, contrary to what Duke Fame believes, I'm no Labour supporter, but don't rule them out next time, as people register their disappointment with the coalition (over to you, Dukey  ;))
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: Miss Marple on December 18, 2011, 10:28:31 AM
The supermarket issue is the biggest thing to hit Marple For a long time.  So if  ANY party had an ounce of sense they would see an opportunity to either bring  about change via another party taking control in Marple  or the existing party to up their game and realise that their seats in Marple  have never been so unstable.  
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: Annesleya on December 18, 2011, 07:35:04 PM
Dear all,

I just wanted to say thanks to those who posted nice comments about my recent radio appearance. It is always nice to hear good feedback  :)

In relation to the other point raised about my race: At the last election, I can honestly say that I don't believe it was an issue and I didn't make it one either. In my experience, the vast majority of people in the constituency (including Marple) were perfectly polite towards me regardless of whether they were going to vote for me or not.

Of course there may have been one or two difficult ones unfortunately but you would expect to find that anywhere.

Residents were more interested in what I believed in and stood for - and quite rightly so.

Have a merry Christmas and a happy 2012.

Best wishes,
Annesley Abercorn
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2011, 11:07:17 PM
Hi Annesley and welcome to the forum.  I'm sure you're correct to take the view that your ethnicity was not an issue in the 2010 general election.  If you are prepared to demonstrate a long-term commitment to this area (as Andrew Stunnell did), then there is no reason why you could not, in time, win this seat. 
Title: Re: Good to hear Annesley Abercorn on the tranny
Post by: My login is Henrietta on January 10, 2012, 07:54:51 PM
Thanks tricky.  So he was a candidate, but not an MP.  Still a good name tho'. 
Sorry about that. I really thought he'd got in at an earlier date but was only in for a very short time. Wonder who Dad was talking about when the window gag came out?