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Archive => Archived Boards => Local Issues => Topic started by: Jerome Caminada on November 30, 2011, 01:20:18 PM
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It appears a number of locations within Marple are being considered as potential sites to be developed for the Traveller Community.
See extract below and I see residents in Cheadle have already made their views known and perhaps we in Marple should consider contacting our Councillors about this issue. Far more important than a new ASDA !!!
Seven sites are being considered in Cheadle, Cheadle Hulme and Heald Green as Stockport Council has a legal obligation to identify potential pitches for travellers in the borough.
The council consultation gives residents the chance to give their views on what sites should and should not be used for.
But members of the public at the Cheadle area committee meeting made it clear they did not want any traveller sites in their area.
They were backed by Councillor Pete Burns, who said: "The sites are not suitable for Cheadle."
Mitchell Wood, council planning policy officer, told the meeting: "This is something we are legally obliged to consider.
"Gypsies and travellers have needs and here in Stockport we need to identify 35 pitches for them.
"We want to look at all the sites and say whether they are suitable or not or if they are more suitable for other uses."
Many residents at the packed meeting had received leaflets from the Conservatives warning them of the proposals and encouraging them to attend the meeting.
The leaflets were described as ‘disgusting’ by Councillor Paul Porgess.
But Conservative Councillor Mick Jones said after the meeting: "The main thrust was to make people aware of this document so they could offer their feedback and comments.
"The meeting was rammed, a lot of people turned up and expressed their opinions and I am happy aboutthat."
The first stage of consultation runs until November 28.
Full list of possible traveller sites by area committee:
Stepping Hill
13 and 15 Vine Street
Works buildings on Brook Street
Offerton High School, The Fairway
School Street Industrial Estate
Cherry Tree Hospital, Cherry Tree Lane
Land bounded by Buxton Road, Melford Road and Tannock Road
Newby Road Industrial Estate, off Bramhall Moor Lane
Melford Road Employment Area, off Macclesfield Road
Offerton Sand & Gravel
Dialstone Centre, Lisburne Lane
Torkington Road Depot
Marple
Marple Sorting Office and car park, Chapel Fields
British Waterways Yard, Church Street
Cheadle and Marple College, Hibbert Lane Campus
Peacefield Primary School
The Dale Primary School
Werneth
Land on the corner of School Brow
Oakwood Mills
Unity Mill
Land off Stockport Road East
Heatons and Reddish
Fir Tree Primary School, Browning Road
Land off Sandfold Lane
North Heaton Primary School
North Area College, Buckingham Road
The Ropeworks, Stanbank Street
Cheadle
Bullocks Coaches garage, Stockport Road
Grimond House, The Paddock
Nurses Home, Cheadle Royal Hospital
Land at Cheadle Campus, Cheadle Road
Central
Bridgehall Sidings
Adswood Road/Stockholm Road
Adswood Road/Siddington Avenue
Bramhall and Cheadle Hulme
Land off Adswood Road,
Land off Midland Road,
Land off Earl Road,
Adswood Employment Area, Adswood Road
Hulme Hall Close
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Well I suppose, that if MIA. are keen not to have an ASDA or similar and are keen for the local traders to be supported
then either a new social housing development or a large traveller's site will do wonders for them. More people, more customers, more social intercourse, more at the church, good for the pubs and restaurants, take aways and cafes.
The travellers site if adopted would have course have to be up to stringent standards and money could be saved by installing communal toilet blocks for them using all the old wc's and urinals from the toilets that are to be closed.
No doubt the elected representatives will respect and act upon the majority wishes of the community when it comes to the vote...won't they
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Well I suppose, that if MIA. are keen not to have an ASDA or similar and are keen for the local traders to be supported
then either a new social housing development or a large traveller's site will do wonders for them. More people, more customers, more social intercourse, more at the church, good for the pubs and restaurants, take aways and cafes.
The travellers site if adopted would have course have to be up to stringent standards and money could be saved by installing communal toilet blocks for them using all the old wc's and urinals from the toilets that are to be closed.
No doubt the elected representatives will respect and act upon the majority wishes of the community when it comes to the vote...won't they
More crime .
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If you had attended the last Marple Area Committee meeting then you would already know the views of our local councillors on this matter. Also at the last area committee meeting you would have seen a piece of opportunism by the leader of the local conservative group, which did not show him up in a good light.
Interesting point is that it was MIA that was publicising the council's DPD, I hope that Alan & Jerome did bother to fill it in!!
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Victor, Thank you for taking the time to comment on my remarks re the travellers, I was not at the meeting, so perhaps you might be kind enough to summerise the individual elected representatives views, I would appreciate it sir.
Any way how do you feel about increasing the population of Marple and bringing more bussiness to the private traders?
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Alan, if you can't be bothered to attend the public meetings then don't expect me to spoon feed you.
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Alan, if you can't be bothered to attend the public meetings then don't expect me to spoon feed you.
Thats not very nice! Not everyone can attend the meetings.
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Alan, if you can't be bothered to attend the public meetings then don't expect me to spoon feed you.
I think this aggressive attitude sums up a lot of those involved in MIA which is quite disappointing.
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Alan, if you can't be bothered to attend the public meetings then don't expect me to spoon feed you.
I think this aggressive attitude sums up a lot of those involved in MIA which is quite disappointing.
The above post was hardly aggressive, nor does it say anything about anyone else in MIA. ::)
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Would anyone object to the Peacefield site being used? Nothing can be built on there for another 8 years.
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Victor, how rude of you to respond to my polite message in such a manner- Sir-that ill behoves you!.
Further more how dare you in fact how very very dare you suggest " if I can't be bothered" I was unable to attend!!!
and I was hoping that you might wish to impart the knowledge that you gained. I have spent the last 40 years
serving the community throughout Greater Manchester and so you will appreciate my being offended by your
distastefull attitude.
However should you wish to apologies for the offence caused to me, then I will accept it with grace
and if you feel that you cannot- well may you be blessed with understanding and sensitivity for the sensitivity of others and I will still forgive you
Oh and by the way of a courtesy reminder, you did not answer the question in my final sentence.
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Alan,
I didn't answer your last question as I didn't understand it in the context of this thread. If you want to see the minutes of the Area Committee meeting try looking at http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=138&MId=328&Ver=4
(http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=138&MId=328&Ver=4)
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Thank you "Victor" for suggesting that I look at the council website to see the minutes of what took place at the meeting you attended.
Unfortunately those minutes do not yet appear, but I presume that I will see them after the next area committee meeting, when they are published.
Thank you for your most helpful public spirited assistance
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I've been thinking about this a little more and it seems to be that Hawke Green might be a good potential site for the travellers! what do you think folks?
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Sorry Hawk Green (no e)
I've been thinking about this a little more and it seems to be that Hawke Green might be a good potential site for the travellers! what do you think folks?
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i have to agree with bigal he comes on here to make a valid point and all people do is take the P we should be more worried about the travellers moving here and the effect it will have on the community
This post and several subsequent ones have been moved from the Fish Spa topic to here. Admin
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Heather,
Please explain-if you will-why we should be "more worried" about travellers coming to Marple.
Would you not agree that they would bring much needed revenue to the local traders?.
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Heather,
Please explain-if you will-why we should be "more worried" about travellers coming to Marple.
Would you not agree that they would bring much needed revenue to the local traders?.
Chery tree school site is mutch prefered ive heard .
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well let them come to romiley then and yes i am being a nimby
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Sorry Hawk Green (no e)
I've been thinking about this a little more and it seems to be that Hawke Green might be a good potential site for the travellers! what do you think folks?
No Romiley Cherry tree school .what was . sorry forgot not now councill owned they sold the land .
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Good morning Heather, well I looked up NIMBY and now I understand. Well I do appreciate the way that you feel although I cannot agree with you. Although I have now moved, all my family are still in Marple and my financial interests are in Marple and so I still have an interest in my fellow citizens.Unfortunately, in the immediate area where I am now living, there is not a suitable large area for Caravans and lorries to park or horses to graze, Marple seems to be an ideal area with all its potential useful sites.
This is a quote from the Homes and communities agency
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As a group, travellers remain one of the most disadvantaged in the country, experiencing deep inequalities with very poor outcomes in health and education in particular. Authorised travellers’ sites can provide the basis for local authorities to tackle the inequalities experienced by travellers. Increased authorised provision will reduce the number of unauthorised sites and the tensions they can create between travellers and the settled community and reduce the need for costly enforcement action. "
Just how much would a "Dale Farm" episode add to our council tax bills?
Have a nice day
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Not sure what planet people are on but we do NOT want any travellers sites in Marple or hawk green NOT now not ever.
Marple and hawk green are nice areas and desirable pLaces to live where house prices are high - people have to work hard and pay over the odds to live here so why should travellers get to live here for free only to destroy our lovely little village and well kept country side?
Send them into the centre of Stockport or better still down south somewhere!!
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Alan from Romiley
I have been thinking about this abut more and think that Romiley would be a great site for proposed travellers what do you think?
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Alan
A further point - where would all this money come from that travellers would spend in our village - would it be from the crime they commit and tax they don't pay? Would it be from copper they from our mills and industrial buildings? Or would it be from all the benefits they claim without putting anything back into the community?
With reGards their health issues - they choose to live like that no body makes them but the NHS we pay for picks up the tab
I don't mean to direct all this towards you so apologies but this is very frustrating when people actually think it would be a good idea
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Not sure what planet people are on but we do NOT want any travellers sites in Marple or hawk green NOT now not ever.
Marple and hawk green are nice areas and desirable pLaces to live where house prices are high - people have to work hard and pay over the odds to live here so why should travellers get to live here for free only to destroy our lovely little village and well kept country side?
Send them into the centre of Stockport or better still down south somewhere!!
I think if there is an piece of land that is set aside for travellers' use 2-3 times a year it would add a little colour (as well as good value block paving)
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I've been thinking about this a little more and it seems to be that Hawke Green might be a good potential site for the travellers! what do you think folks?
Isn't Hawk Green common land? I sem to remember being told (dunno by whom so can't speak for the veracity of the statement) when I was a little girl that it is/was. In which case could anyone stop them parking there? Gypsies, historically, had the right to camp on common land.
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Alan
A further point - where would all this money come from that travellers would spend in our village - would it be from the crime they commit and tax they don't pay? Would it be from copper they from our mills and industrial buildings? Or would it be from all the benefits they claim without putting anything back into the community?
With reGards their health issues - they choose to live like that no body makes them but the NHS we pay for picks up the tab
I don't mean to direct all this towards you so apologies but this is very frustrating when people actually think it would be a good idea
No need to apologies but may I say this:
You are suggesting that ALL travellers are thieves, vagabonds, lead miners and copper wire removers.
Are you sure that they all benefit from the state purse and but nothing in?
Many provide and excellent service in path laying and tree pruning and felling and they are very generous with distributing tarmac from the last job?
Live and let live-thats what I say, and anyway if they come to Hawk Green Councillor's Ben and Shan will make sure they behave and will be the first to cement good relations-wont they?
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Don't make me laugh the police are terrified of them so how can a couple of councilers do anything
They may do all those things you said but they charge for it and don't pay tax
I don't judge people but unfortunately they have made a rod for their own back and too many people have been affected by their actions in the past
Keep them out of hawk green and Marple
If you love them that much have them in Romiley!!
Compared to cherry tree I bet they would be welcomed?
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And no hawk green is not common land it is actually a nice little village with one of the only village greens left in the north of England
All they would do is spoil and ruin the land then once totally destroyed move on to somewhere else
You people need a reality check and to stop watching so much reality TV -real life isn't like TV
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Don't make me laugh the police are terrified of them so how can a couple of councilers do anything
They may do all those things you said but they charge for it and don't pay tax
I don't judge people but unfortunately they have made a rod for their own back and too many people have been affected by their actions in the past
Keep them out of hawk green and Marple
If you love them that much have them in Romiley!!
Compared to cherry tree I bet they would be welcomed?
HGG, IS THERE NO CHARITY IN YOUR HEART?
Don't make me laugh the police are terrified of them so how can a couple of councilers do anything
They may do all those things you said but they charge for it and don't pay tax
I don't judge people but unfortunately they have made a rod for their own back and too many people have been affected by their actions in the past
Keep them out of hawk green and Marple
If you love them that much have them in Romiley!!
Compared to cherry tree I bet they would be welcomed?
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And no hawk green is not common land it is actually a nice little village with one of the only village greens left in the north of England
All they would do is spoil and ruin the land then once totally destroyed move on to somewhere else
You people need a reality check and to stop watching so much reality TV -real life isn't like TV
Historically, many village greens were common land.
And who appointed you the arbiter of taste in the matter of television programmes?
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And no hawk green is not common land it is actually a nice little village with one of the only village greens left in the north of England
All they would do is spoil and ruin the land then once totally destroyed move on to somewhere else
You people need a reality check and to stop watching so much reality TV -real life isn't like TV
Historically, many village greens were common land.
And who appointed you the arbiter of taste in the matter of television programmes?
Ouch!
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Alan,
I like the ever changing pictures of yourself, do you have one with your caravan that you could post?
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Alan and henrietta
As you are both so keen to burden everyone else with these travellers, i assume that you are both more than happy to have them on your own doorstep?
With regards TV I was merely raising the issue that some programmes glamourise travelling folk and you dont see the full picture.
I'm not trying to start a forum war, it's just that people in Marple and hawk green really don't want travellers here.
If you guys really are in favour of them why don't you suggest that they come and park up outside your house or in your area - I assume you would be ok with that?
Buy for now
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Alan
A further point - where would all this money come from that travellers would spend in our village - would it be from the crime they commit and tax they don't pay? Would it be from copper they from our mills and industrial buildings? Or would it be from all the benefits they claim without putting anything back into the community?
With reGards their health issues - they choose to live like that no body makes them but the NHS we pay for picks up the tab
I don't mean to direct all this towards you so apologies but this is very frustrating when people actually think it would be a good idea
No need to apologies but may I say this:
You are suggesting that ALL travellers are thieves, vagabonds, lead miners and copper wire removers.
Are you sure that they all benefit from the state purse and but nothing in?
Many provide and excellent service in path laying and tree pruning and felling and they are very generous with distributing tarmac from the last job?
Live and let live-thats what I say, and anyway if they come to Hawk Green Councillor's Ben and Shan will make sure they behave and will be the first to cement good relations-wont they?
Load of coblers this alan crime rate will soar all back handers thats how they live .
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I certainley don't want them pitching up in Marple again. I was worried to death when they came a few years ago. I had no sleep for 2 weeks, it was a very stressful time :(
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Alan,
I like the ever changing pictures of yourself, do you have one with your caravan that you could post?
Yes I have Victor, but unfortunately I dont know how to post it, or I would and I WILL if someone tells me how
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HGG,
I am neither for or against, but I do not presume to speak for for the people of Marple and Hawk green.
As far as coming to Romiley is concerned I would raise no objection, provided that we provide them with adequate sanitation and water facilities, schooling for the children etc.
Are we now not such a diverse community that we should embrace all cultures and races that wish to integrate with ours.?
Anyway I am now going to back off this topic, as it has been suggested to me that there are one or two "wind up merchants" attempting disturb the harmony of this approaching period of "good will" amongst all men. (and women of course Ms. O)
Have a nice evening"
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HGG,
I am neither for or against, but I do not presume to speak for for the people of Marple and Hawk green.
As far as coming to Romiley is concerned I would raise no objection, provided that we provide them with adequate sanitation and water facilities, schooling for the children etc.
Are we now not such a diverse community that we should embrace all cultures and races that wish to integrate with ours.?
Anyway I am now going to back off this topic, as it has been suggested to me that there are one or two "wind up merchants" attempting disturb the harmony of this approaching period of "good will" amongst all men. (and women of course Ms. O)
Have a nice evening"
I don't pressume to speak for anyone but I know I lot of people and no one wants them here.
But as you said lets leave it at that For now
Merry Christmas everyone
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Just as I though henrietta - no reply to say that you would have them where you live!!!
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HGC you voice my opinion and that of a lot of people in marple we dont want or need them here