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Archive => Archived Boards => Sale of Hibbert Lane Campus to Supermarket Chain => Topic started by: Miss Marple on November 10, 2011, 08:22:51 PM
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Looks like I may have to dust off my Marching boots in preparation for another March for Marple ? There is a very strong rumour that Tesco maybe after that site as their sister company already owns the land :-\
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Oh it can't be that strong a rumour. You've only just started it.
I would have thought the rumour about a traveller's site was far more worrying.
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Oh Dear Harry why are you so nasty ! Just remember ! I started the rumour about Hibbert Lane Doh !
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Oh it can't be that strong a rumour. You've only just started it.
I would have thought the rumour about a traveller's site was far more worrying.
Tesco already own the land. I don't think TESCO recognise Gypsy Rights do you ?
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Looks like I may have to dust off my Marching boots in preparation for another March for Marple ? There is a very strong rumour that Tesco maybe after that site as their sister company already owns the land :-\
You Must be worn out Marching against everything .
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Oh it can't be that strong a rumour. You've only just started it.
I would have thought the rumour about a traveller's site was far more worrying.
Tesco already own the land. I don't think TESCO recognise Gypsy Rights do you ?
Tesco don't own the land where there may be a traveller's site.
Check with your mole in the planning department.
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Dobbies ? :-*
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(IF) Tesco was to be at the garden centre then why march about it? MM is your life that dull that you have to keep marching and protesting? I would be very interested in what you would like in marple apart from the costa coffee, which doesnt seem to bother you if other coffee shops close down? we are not a little village anymore where people want to sit around drinking coffee all day.
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Oh no Tina ! I am waiting for you to start walking the walk not just talking the talk ! Lol :D
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Seriously though Miss Marple, why would you protest and march?
The Garden Centre land is already a commercial property. It's not in a residential, or even semi-residential area. And a decent sized supermarket getting being built down there, would help the arguments against one on Hibbert Lane - in fact, Asda (or others for that matter) might even think twice about going ahead with trying to get Hibbert Lane, as a supermarket down on Otterspool would almost certainly be built, opened, and thriving before the dust settles on he initial planning application, nevermind the end appeals, calls for public inquires, etc, that are bound to be associated with any move on Hibbert Lane.
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I was joking about marching ! I fancy myself as a bit of a comedian ;D
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Looks like I may have to dust off my Marching boots in preparation for another March for Marple ? There is a very strong rumour that Tesco maybe after that site as their sister company already owns the land :-\
Dobbies (Tesco) are supposedly interested in acquiring the best of 'The Gardebn Centre Groups' sites. I don't know if that includes Marple, as the group does currently own over 120 garden centres.
I doubt that this means a 'supermarket' interest. Theres far more likelihood of a succesful planning application at Hibbert Lane than Otterspool. One for the conspiracy theorists this one I think.
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I was joking about marching ! I fancy myself as a bit of a comedian ;D
There is an answer to that but wont say what it is .
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I doubt that this means a 'supermarket' interest. Theres far more likelihood of a succesful planning application at Hibbert Lane than Otterspool. One for the conspiracy theorists this one I think.
Why do you say that, I would have thought that it would be the other way round, particularly given that Otterspool is already commercial use.
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Now, forgive me for being wrong here,
But I thought that marple garden centre was a private venture that owned the land.
To be honest, Tesco just don't seem to know went to raise the white flag, First they want to build in somewhere thats not suitable, so they go away, and try to build somewhere thats EVEN LESS suitable! ::)
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I doubt that this means a 'supermarket' interest. Theres far more likelihood of a succesful planning application at Hibbert Lane than Otterspool. One for the conspiracy theorists this one I think.
Why do you say that, I would have thought that it would be the other way round, particularly given that Otterspool is already commercial use.
Because there are different types of retail designation in planning terms - food retail being very specific. An 'out of town' supermarket at Otterspool which would require nigh on every trip to and from that site by car would pretty much ride roughshod over all relevant planning policy. I wouldn't give a supermarket operator any chance of making that case. The Hibbert Lane case is much more open to debate as its not 'out of town' simply 'just outside town centre'.
Garden Centres are typically given a bit more leeway anyway given the bulky nature of most of their sales, but in any event most have grown out of small nursery developments and therefore their locations are historically less central than other retail uses.
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I'm sure belly's right about this. Current planning guidelines are strongly against 'out of town' supermarkets, and favour 'edge of town' or town centre.
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I think Tesco maybe one step ahead ! The garden centre already sells, food, clothing, electrical items, flowers , Cd's , DVDs, animal foods, household items and it even has a cafe. There would not be a real change in use information in the DPD :-\
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I doubt that this means a 'supermarket' interest. Theres far more likelihood of a succesful planning application at Hibbert Lane than Otterspool. One for the conspiracy theorists this one I think.
Why do you say that, I would have thought that it would be the other way round, particularly given that Otterspool is already commercial use.
Because there are different types of retail designation in planning terms - food retail being very specific. An 'out of town' supermarket at Otterspool which would require nigh on every trip to and from that site by car would pretty much ride roughshod over all relevant planning policy. I wouldn't give a supermarket operator any chance of making that case. The Hibbert Lane case is much more open to debate as its not 'out of town' simply 'just outside town centre'.
Garden Centres are typically given a bit more leeway anyway given the bulky nature of most of their sales, but in any event most have grown out of small nursery developments and therefore their locations are historically less central than other retail uses.
Ahh, makes sense when you put it like that.
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I think Tesco maybe one step ahead ! The garden centre already sells, food, clothing, electrical items, flowers , Cd's , DVDs, animal foods, household items and it even has a cafe. There would not be a real change in use information in the DPD :-\
Thats superficially plausible but in fact wrong. A Garden Centre is a 'sui generis' land use class, whereas a supermarket would be A1 retail. So any such re-development definitely would require a change of use application - which would be refused for the reasons i've set out before.
The fact that Tesco's own Dobbies Garden Centre's does not mean that they use GC's as Trojan Horse's to buy land in the hope of developing supermarkets on them. It's just another way of the Tesco group making lots of money via retail.
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SMBC is asking via the DPD what the communities views are for various developments on identified areas such as, The garden centre, Goyt Mill, CAMSFC Hibbert Lane, The sorting office and the water ways Church Lane. I have filled mine in have you ?
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SMBC is asking via the DPD what the communities views are for various developments on identified areas such as, The garden centre, Goyt Mill, CAMSFC Hibbert Lane, The sorting office and the water ways Church Lane. I have filled mine in have you ?
Put a link on to it if you can .
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Looks like I may have to dust off my Marching boots in preparation for another March for Marple ? There is a very strong rumour that Tesco maybe after that site as their sister company already owns the land :-\
Dobbies (Tesco) are supposedly interested in acquiring the best of 'The Gardebn Centre Groups' sites. I don't know if that includes Marple, as the group does currently own over 120 garden centres.
I doubt that this means a 'supermarket' interest. Theres far more likelihood of a succesful planning application at Hibbert Lane than Otterspool. One for the conspiracy theorists this one I think.
Hell's teeth. If a s/market on the Willow's site would cause congestion can you imaging what Dooley lane would be like!
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SMBC is asking via the DPD what the communities views are for various developments on identified areas such as, The garden centre, Goyt Mill, CAMSFC Hibbert Lane, The sorting office and the water ways Church Lane. I have filled mine in have you ?
Put a link on to it if you can .
http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=3706.msg19841#msg19841
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The traffic would cause just as many problems here as it would in Marple itself.
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Maybe this is why the council are strenghthening the bridge...... :-X
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A man on Wednesday claiming to work at Stockport Town Hall tells me that Tesco already own the land where the Garden Centre is situated and have applied for planning permission to build a supermarket with forecourt.
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I think we need a bit more evidence than 'A man on Wednesday claiming to work at Stockport Town Hall' before we take this seriously. Read belly earlier in this thread.
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I think we need a bit more evidence than 'A man on Wednesday claiming to work at Stockport Town Hall' before we take this seriously. Read belly earlier in this thread.
How many people work at the town hall? 1/4 of them!!
I thought everyone was on strike on Wednesday, it doesn't add up.
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There are several different unions so not all were allowed to strike !
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In reply to " Current planning guidelines are strongly against 'out of town' supermarkets, and favour 'edge of town' or town centre", the Hibbert Lane site is not in the town centre or on the edge of town. It is in the centre of a completely residential area and surrounded by people's homes.
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I think we need a bit more evidence than 'A man on Wednesday claiming to work at Stockport Town Hall' before we take this seriously. Read belly earlier in this thread.
This whole thread is based off a rumour and I never said this is evidence. I'm just saying what I have heard as there could be some truth about it.
If you choose to ignore it then fine, I have no issue over that but there is not listening to something and then there is being rude.
Have you acted is this manner to everyone else that has posted? After all nobody has suggested anything other than speculation
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In reply to " Current planning guidelines are strongly against 'out of town' supermarkets, and favour 'edge of town' or town centre", the Hibbert Lane site is not in the town centre or on the edge of town. It is in the centre of a completely residential area and surrounded by people's homes.
Being a residential area doesn't stop it being 'edge of town', AFAIK. I'm no town planner, but my understanding is that 'town centre' usually means the area designated for retail, and 'edge of town' is anywhere close to that but outside it.
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If you choose to ignore it then fine, I have no issue over that but there is not listening to something and then there is being rude.
I'm not ignoring it, I'm just not taking it seriously.
Have you acted is this manner to everyone else that has posted?
What manner?