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Archive => Archived Boards => Sale of Hibbert Lane Campus to Supermarket Chain => Topic started by: Sareena on August 28, 2011, 09:32:45 PM
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http://www.facebook.com/pages/Yes-to-Supermarket-in-Marple/256280167727382
http://www.ipetitions.com/widget/view/352613
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http://www.facebook.com/groups/160277760718224/?id=161890263890307¬if_t=group_activity
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Oh dear.
I'm not going to try and scream at you for posting views that are opposing to those that most people on this forum hold. However, i'm going to warn you that most people here don't want the supermarket, so don't be supprised if some of them get upset.
But You might want to check some of the facts that are avalible here, and ask yourself if you are doing the right thing, or wiether your barking up the wrong tree.
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Is it "YES to a Supermarket on Hibbert Lane" (i.e. name of this thread) or "Yes. to Supermarket in Marple" (i.e. name of the facebook group) ?
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Is it "YES to a Supermarket on Hibbert Lane" (i.e. name of this thread) or "Yes. to Supermarket in Marple" (i.e. name of the facebook group) ?
Not sure, but I doubt we will get an answer, as it appears sareena has dropped the links then jumped ship.
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Is it "YES to a Supermarket on Hibbert Lane" (i.e. name of this thread) or "Yes. to Supermarket in Marple" (i.e. name of the facebook group) ?
Not sure, but I doubt we will get an answer, as it appears sareena has dropped the links then jumped ship.
I take that last comment back, "sareena" has been online in the last 15 minutes, if the list of online members is to be belived.
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Finally a place on this forum where the people of marple can finally let their voices be heard, as to why we WOULD like a supermarket.
All arguments have two sides, and whether the supermarket comes to marple or not, everybody should have an opinion!
And this thread has the same name as the facebook group yes.....no point changing it. the reason sareena put these links up is so people can view the opinions people have wrote, we make a good argument too :)
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I aggree that everyone is entitled to there opinion, and that both sides should be heard (otherwise its not a argument). However, both sides should also make sure that there facts are correct. For example, someone on your facebook mentioned that "non of the youth were at the meetings". atleast 15 of my friends, all between the ages of 16 and 21 were present at the meetings, and around 50 at the march.
Although MIA hasn't been great at facts either, it does atleast do its best to check that they are fact, and not opinion, before publishing them.
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Well i am afraid i cannot stop people from writing things that are not fact, there has been alot of rumours going around about proposed developments, but we can reply to these people with the facts.
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I don't think there was any need to warn me that people might get upset as I am quite aware that other people have opinions different to mine. Camping out on Market Street, Posters, Banners, T-Shirts, and protest walking past my house wont change my mind.
I have not ''jumped ship'' I am here to appeal to like minded people. You don't seem to be one of them so therefore I have no interest in any further conversation with you.
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Would you be willing to meet with me and I can provide all the facts you may need to inform people ? (I am not as bad as people say I am ) lol ;)
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I don't think there was any need to warn me that people might get upset as I am quite aware that other people have opinions different to mine. Camping out on Market Street, Posters, Banners, T-Shirts, and protest walking past my house wont change my mind.
I have not ''jumped ship'' I am here to appeal to like minded people. You don't seem to be one of them so therefore I have no interest in any further conversation with you.
would you please enlighten me with what you mean by "one of them"?
And for the record, i did retract my statement shortly after.
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I said I was here to appeal to like minded people and that Smithy166 didn't seem to be 'one of them' as in a like minded person.
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Is it "YES to a Supermarket on Hibbert Lane" (i.e. name of this thread) or "Yes. to Supermarket in Marple" (i.e. name of the facebook group) ?
And this thread has the same name as the facebook group yes.....no point changing it.
I think SGK asked a legitimate question as the thread title is not the same as the facebook page or the facebook group, both of which are "Yes to a Supermarket in Marple." The MiA campaign is against a supermarket on Hibbert Lane, not against a new supermarket in Marple in any location. If you would like me to change the title of this thread so that it matches the facebook sites then just let me know.
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I agree with admin that the problem isn't a new supermarket per se, rather the location.........and for me, the size of the thing. Of course it would be great to have more choice and for the Co-op to face competition after all these years, but NOT at the price of losing the life and soul of Marple. Find a new location with a size that is appropriate to this town and I will happily vote YES but until then it's a very definite NO!
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Cpt smith writes 'Although MIA hasn't been great at facts either, it does atleast do its best to check that they are fact, and not opinion, before publishing them.'
I wish that were true, but sadly the MIA campaign has been notable for dealing in alarmist rumours, such as the closure and demolition of Marple swimming baths. The latest irresponsible trick has been to suggest that the college might close its Marple campuses altogether. I have asked Miss Marple to provide her evidence for this but so far she has not done so (surprise surprise!)
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Dave why do you continually try to discredit MIA I find that some what strange because we are all working very hard to uncover information and post on this site. If you look back through the posts the swimming baths was mentioned at the start to college staff and a promise was made to rebuild the swimming pool on the Buxton Lane Site by Tesco but as you maybe aware Dave CAMSFC can only build on the car park at Buxton Lane so unless it's a roof top pool, it's not going to happen
The talk about selling both colleges and setting up somewhere else has always been a possibility we would be foolish not to think that given that 12million will not go that far in rebuilding the Buxton Lane College I have proved before there is no smoke without fire and have given facts. So please Dave stop shooting the messenger As it's becoming very predictable
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Cpt smith writes 'Although MIA hasn't been great at facts either, it does atleast do its best to check that they are fact, and not opinion, before publishing them.'
I wish that were true, but sadly the MIA campaign has been notable for dealing in alarmist rumours, such as the closure and demolition of Marple swimming baths. The latest irresponsible trick has been to suggest that the college might close its Marple campuses altogether. I have asked Miss Marple to provide her evidence for this but so far she has not done so (surprise surprise!)
There is a huge amount of rumour, speculation and opinion on the forum, including much from your own good self Dave. You shouldn't get that mixed up with the "official" Marple in Action news and statements as published on their web site www.marple-in-action.org.uk and in this specific thread: http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=3706.0
Everything else should be consider the opinions of individual posters, some who may be members or supporters of Marple in Action and others who may not.
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Is it "YES to a Supermarket on Hibbert Lane" (i.e. name of this thread) or "Yes. to Supermarket in Marple" (i.e. name of the facebook group) ?
And this thread has the same name as the facebook group yes.....no point changing it.
I think SGK asked a legitimate question as the thread title is not the same as the facebook page or the facebook group, both of which are "Yes to a Supermarket in Marple." The MiA campaign is against a supermarket on Hibbert Lane, not against a new supermarket in Marple in any location. If you would like me to change the title of this thread so that it matches the facebook sites then just let me know.
The name of the thread is what i intended and will not need changing, thank you anyway. I don't think there is any point in discussing where else a supermarket could go or where people would prefer it to be located. This has all come about because the college wants to sell up so I think any discussions regarding where else it could be is off topic and not helpfull. As is the discussion about who has said what and who has posted things that are untrue.
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There is a huge amount of rumour, speculation and opinion on the forum, including much from your own good self Dave. You shouldn't get that mixed up with the "official" Marple in Action news and statements as published on their web site www.marple-in-action.org.uk and in this specific thread: http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=3706.0
Everything else should be consider the opinions of individual posters, some who may be members or supporters of Marple in Action and others who may not.
When people are being asked to sign your petition to 'save our swimming baths' then its not just the opinions of individuals. Its scaremongering.
When the acting chair of Marple Inaction, David Hoyle, stands in the precinct and states that CAMSFC will be building 'five or six story buildings' at Buxton Lane, is it just his opinion? No! Its scaremongering. (Note: Multiple buildings. Check the video)
When someone starts a rumour that CAMSFC will be leaving Marple, despite them stating the opposite, its scaremongering. And damaging to the college.
Its alright for you Mark, to say that the facts are in such a thread and the rest is just opinion. Once someone states something, then others will believe it. This whole campaign is based on fantasy. I'm just waiting for someone to say 'I know its a fact, I made it up myself'.
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I agree with admin that the problem isn't a new supermarket per se, rather the location.........and for me, the size of the thing. Of course it would be great to have more choice and for the Co-op to face competition after all these years, but NOT at the price of losing the life and soul of Marple. Find a new location with a size that is appropriate to this town and I will happily vote YES but until then it's a very definite NO!
im sorry to be blunt but why are you on this thread if you are voting no?
At the end of the day we beleive whether the supermarket is built on hibbert lane or not some People will moan wherever the location....even though the college grounds seem to be the only grounds big enough
What gets me, is the fact this site is only designated to be housing....how has it got this far that a 2 supermarkets have become the highest bidders?
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There is a huge amount of rumour, speculation and opinion on the forum, including much from your own good self Dave. You shouldn't get that mixed up with the "official" Marple in Action news and statements as published on their web site www.marple-in-action.org.uk and in this specific thread: http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=3706.0
Everything else should be consider the opinions of individual posters, some who may be members or supporters of Marple in Action and others who may not.
When people are being asked to sign your petition to 'save our swimming baths' then its not just the opinions of individuals. Its scaremongering.
When the acting chair of Marple Inaction, David Hoyle, stands in the precinct and states that CAMSFC will be building 'five or six story buildings' at Buxton Lane, is it just his opinion? No! Its scaremongering. (Note: Multiple buildings. Check the video)
When someone starts a rumour that CAMSFC will be leaving Marple, despite them stating the opposite, its scaremongering. And damaging to the college.
Its alright for you Mark, to say that the facts are in such a thread and the rest is just opinion. Once someone states something, then others will believe it. This whole campaign is based on fantasy. I'm just waiting for someone to say 'I know its a fact, I made it up myself'.
This end bit made me laugh!! Well said you make a very interesting point
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Harry the high rise buildings are fact we have had a reliable leak from the college
The swimming baths would have to go to provide the turn required for the lorries. I have spoken to CAMSFC and the would not deny this but did say that i needed to speak to Highways
Meetings have been held at CAMSFC with planners and compulsory purchase people FOI on site
All I would say to you is re look through the thread the answers you are looking for are there
And remember the sale of the college started out to be a rumour but there is never smoke without fire as already shown, so please stop shooting the messenger it's getting tiring and so predictable :-\
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Well said harry. However, I do take admin's point, that Miss M does not necessarily 'speak for MIA'.
As for the 'more than just a rumour' about the college moving away from Marple, Miss M's failure to respond to requests for any evidence speaks for itself, and I think we can all draw our own conclusions.
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A bit of a defence of Mark - although I'm sure that he doesn't need it. He has been decent enough to let the 'Yes' campaign have some fair space on the forum (and, I note, keep some of the completely unrelated forums on the straight and narrow at the same time, as well as adding to the fantastic range of historical photographs).
Some questions about the potential developments on Hibbert Lane / Buxton Lane cannot be addressed until the college applies for planning permission:
- how big a supermarket?
- which supermarket?
- what happens on Buxton Lane?
- what happens to the road system?
So, presenting any knowledge as 'facts' is scaremongering. On the other hand, not flagging them as possibilities risks letting any development sneak through with minimal discussion. There are plenty of people opposed to my views on a new supermarket, but I am very glad that there are so many interested in the future of Marple whether they share my views on this topic or not.
Drifting into a discussion of the smaller shops in Marple perhaps we should look at the successes and failures there. Some appear to be doing fine - Edel Carpets and furnishings has bucked the general trend by expanding, Archers, Greggs and Wilsons seem to have plenty of customers, Hollins (no relation) is as good as ever. Ditto the toyshop and petshop. The only common themes that I can see are longevity and selling things that people want at sensible prices. I'm afraid that niche markets and twee nicknacks are not the things to sell in a time of recession: is anyone seriously going to visit the new "fish spa"? Did "Under the Greenwood Tree" sell anything that people needed? I am genuinely sorry for the likes of Grenaby Farms and Mulligans - did business rates and rents have any role to play in their demise?
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Some questions about the potential developments on Hibbert Lane / Buxton Lane cannot be addressed until the college applies for planning permission:
- how big a supermarket?
- which supermarket?
- what happens on Buxton Lane?
- what happens to the road system?
So, presenting any knowledge as 'facts' is scaremongering. On the other hand, not flagging them as possibilities risks letting any development sneak through with minimal discussion. There are plenty of people opposed to my views on a new supermarket, but I am very glad that there are so many interested in the future of Marple whether they share my views on this topic or not.
As you say, MIA are right to raise these issues, but in my opinion they have gone down the Scaremongering route, and unfortunately if they continue with it too much it will ultimately have a negative impact on the campaign. There's a phrase that marketing/PR people often use - Under promise, over deliver. MIA are doing it the wrong way round. Getting everyone in Marple up in arms about the prospect of a Portwood sized supermarket, the loss of the swimming baths, and high-rise buildings at the College is fine. However, what happens when the plans are actually submitted, and they turn out to be, by comparison, fairly modest proposals? A supermarket only slightly larger that the Co-Op that fits in the footprint of the existing buildings, the new junction with stockport road only needs to demolish the newsagents on the corner so the Swimming baths is safe, the new college buildings are the same height as what is already there, there are just now two of them instead of one. A lot of people will end up being in favour, or at least not against, the plans, and they'll go through because in their minds, thanks to the scaremongering, "it could have been worse".
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Wise words from marplexile.
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Would it be better if there was just one facebook group for the Yes group. ?
Just a suggestion , could they be combined ?
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Drifting into a discussion of the smaller shops in Marple perhaps we should look at the successes and failures there. Some appear to be doing fine - Edel Carpets and furnishings has bucked the general trend by expanding, Archers, Greggs and Wilsons seem to have plenty of customers, Hollins (no relation) is as good as ever. Ditto the toyshop and petshop. The only common themes that I can see are longevity and selling things that people want at sensible prices. I'm afraid that niche markets and twee nicknacks are not the things to sell in a time of recession: is anyone seriously going to visit the new "fish spa"? Did "Under the Greenwood Tree" sell anything that people needed? I am genuinely sorry for the likes of Grenaby Farms and Mulligans - did business rates and rents have any role to play in their demise?
I agree Hollins. I am always abit sad when i see a new shop, of the type you mention in the last bit of your post, open in Marple. I always hope it can do well but usually it doesn't (although I believe 85% of new businesses fail anyway). Like the pram shop. It was a great idea but people just don't go to the local store anymore sadly, they look online or at Argos etc. because it is most often alot cheaper. It was a good idea in an 'ideal' town but things just don't work that way at local levels anymore. I don't know how much research these new shops do before they open but it is a shame when so many close.
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Would you be willing to meet with me and I can provide all the facts you may need to inform people ? (I am not as bad as people say I am ) lol ;)
Whilst I'm generally on your side for this Miss M, I'd have thought a meeting where you can exchange facts & views on the subject may be more appealing to Sareena rather than an opportunity to where simply you "can provide all the facts you may need to inform people "
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Would it be better if there was just one facebook group for the Yes group. ?
Just a suggestion , could they be combined ?
The first group was set up, then once they realised you had to add friends to the group, they decided to do a open page where you clicked like if you was a 'yes' as some people was being added who didn't want to be added. thats why there are 2, and they wanted to add all the comments onto the new page but don't know how to.
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As you say, MIA are right to raise these issues, but in my opinion they have gone down the Scaremongering route, and unfortunately if they continue with it too much it will ultimately have a negative impact on the campaign. There's a phrase that marketing/PR people often use - Under promise, over deliver. MIA are doing it the wrong way round. Getting everyone in Marple up in arms about the prospect of a Portwood sized supermarket, the loss of the swimming baths, and high-rise buildings at the College is fine. However, what happens when the plans are actually submitted, and they turn out to be, by comparison, fairly modest proposals? A supermarket only slightly larger that the Co-Op that fits in the footprint of the existing buildings, the new junction with stockport road only needs to demolish the newsagents on the corner so the Swimming baths is safe, the new college buildings are the same height as what is already there, there are just now two of them instead of one. A lot of people will end up being in favour, or at least not against, the plans, and they'll go through because in their minds, thanks to the scaremongering, "it could have been worse".
This is right, the supermarkets will say, look we listened and here's our proposals. All this heresay is playing into their hands.
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Hey guys, nobody really knows what the College plans to do, but if it sells to Tesco or Asda it will be a sad sad sad day.
I like most of you probably on this thread live on a tight budget. I live in a rented flat in Marple, I have to travel out of the town to go to get most of my shopping*. I have a low paid job that I constantly worry i'm going to loose. I have Uni fees to pay, general bills coming out of my ears ect ect. I'm not some toff that lives in a big fancy house in Marple Bridge who swans around Waitrose or M and S food. I'm just a general Joe bloggs just like you... but the difference between me and most of you guys is that I would never ever shop in Tesco or Asda, no matter how cheap they are and how much money I could be saving i'll never go into TESCO or ASDA. They are TOO BIG and have TOO MUCH POWER.
It's a false economy..
If you think having a Tesco in Marple is a good thing, please just read this - most of the text is taken from the Tescopoly website.
Please just take the time to give it a read,
http://www.tescopoly.org
Who is paying the real cost of supermarket price wars? [/b]
Thanks to rapid growth in recent years, Tesco, Asda, Sainsbury’s and Morrisons now control over 70% of the UK groceries market. Increasingly, if producers overseas want to get into the UK market, they have to deal with supermarkets. Supermarkets are using the enormous buying power that comes with their dominant position to force farms and factories in poor countries to lower their prices, deliver goods ever faster and at shorter notice. The pressure on suppliers to deliver more for less is passed on to workers in the form of low wages, job insecurity and poor working conditions.
"Having travelled to many countries to meet farmers it was very clear that supermarkets treated all farmers equally - unfortunately that is equally badly and it was the name of Tesco which came up time and time again. If we are to have a future as farmers and sustainable agriculture then we need to control supermarket power."
Michael Hart, chairman of Small and Family Farms Alliance
Supermarkets fail to pay farmers a fair share of retail prices
Farmers have to bear the burden of unfair trading practices imposed by supermarkets.
Bananas
Worldwide Tesco buys and sells around 20 million boxes of bananas a year from Latin America, the Caribbean and West Africa. Most of these are from plantations where workers do not earn a living wage and where workers have inadequate protection from the toxic chemical hazards that are endemic to industrial-scale production.
Research by the Clean Clothes Campaign
reveals that while supermarkets are seeing massive profits from their cheap fast fashion lines, workers in their supply chains face increasing poverty, appalling conditions, and serious workers rights violations. The “Cashing In” report conducted research in Bangladesh, India, Sri Lanka and Thailand, interviewing factory workers for Tesco, Walmart, Aldi and Lidl. It showed that major supermarkets' price breaking approach to garment retail created major labour rights issues for garment workers in their supply chains:
Take action for Tesco chickens.
Viva!'s investigations into animal welfare
In 2006 Viva! made a complaint, supported by the Food Standards Agency, about Tesco packaging on own-label duck products, which were misleading customers. The packaging suggested that the birds were reared free-range, but Viva! provided evidence that the they were housed in industrial sheds with no outdoor access. Trading Standards upheld the complaint. For further information please see Viva!'s press release.
In 2003, Viva! undertook an undercover investigation into Bowes of Norfolk, a pig farm supplying Tesco, which revealed severe animal suffering. According to an article in The Observer, the company, which employs more than 600 people and has an annual turnover of over £30 million, is Tesco's major UK-based pork supplier, providing pork cuts for all of the chain's 'Finest' range, processing 50 per cent of its 'Organic' and 'Tender Select' ranges and a substantial part of its 'Standard' range, as well as providing meat for sale at the chain's over-the-counter service. The investigation made clear that responsibility for these standards lay with Tesco -Viva! said “As Bowes' main customer, Tesco is indirectly responsible for those conditions. Of course, other major supermarkets also sell meat from pigs reared intensively - Tesco just got caught - but that does not excuse Tesco from responsibility.”
A follow-up investigation in 2004 revealed continued animal suffering including sows still confined to farrowing crates, overcrowding and lame pigs. Despite suggesting that a meeting might be useful, Tesco apparently found “one excuse after another not to actually hold one.” In response Viva! Held a Day of Action in August 2004 with demonstrations at 90 Tesco stores.
Tesco selling live turtles and frogs abroad
According to the Tortoise Trust Tesco is involved in selling live turtles and live frogs at its branches in China. The Trust state that “the suffering inflicted on these animals is so extreme that were it to take place in the UK, Tesco directors would undoubtedly face criminal charges. In addition to the most horrendous cruelty, the live turtle and frog trade is acutely environmentally destructive, and is contributing to the rapid extinction of a number of species. Campaigners have launched a petition to campaign against the sale of live turtles in Tesco stores in China petition.
Tesco now controls over 30% of the grocery market in the UK is that a good thing?
There are over 400 local campaigns against supermarkets listed on the Tescopoly website, thats just in the UK on one website!!!
Tesco are cowards, we need a change, we need something new... let Marple be the first to buck the trend and SAY NO TO TESCO
How many times can a man turn his head pretending he just doesn't see???
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Just a thought do the people saying yes to the supermarket on Hibbert lane live on Hibbert lane?
In the town centre is supported by the majority of people in Marple whether they have voted yes or no, but in the middle of a housing estate is completely unsuitable for many reasons.
The rumour about the college selling all sites in Marple and Cheadle was raised at the area committee meeting and the counsellors were not surprised-the source of this cannot be revealed as they have not given their permission but let's just say they are reliable and if in time it turns out to be true then we may all suffer with more than one huge supermarket in the area-also Mr Hubert from the college has confirmed the Buxton lane development would most likely be several stories high to accommodate everyone-again assuming the development does actually go ahead and all the sites are not sold off.
It is not all rumour at all and to say it is is unfair-many people are working very hard to discover the facts when the college are trying to keep it all quiet.
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I second that maria, But not only are people working hard to find the infomation, A small band of dedicated people are putting there jobs on the line to brind us infomation from behind closed doors.
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I know, as part of the MIA group I am amazed at the dedication people have demonstrated to try to stop the area becoming another town like all the rest with a large supermarket and not much else. We can only hope. Sure those signing the yes petition (re the development on Hibbert lane) think differently if it was to be built facing their house. Within the town centre is great-as I have always maintained-but in the middle of houses is a ridiculous notion.
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I live across from the college and i wouldn't mind it being a supermarket.
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Sareena fair enough, you obviously want to live in a different way to me-I do respect your opinion though and think you may have been the woman I met in Greggs the other week-apologies if not you but the lady I was talking to lived facing the end of the college (so won't be able to see the store from her front room as being built at the other end) and also thought it was a brilliant idea.
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That must have been someone else you were talking to.
I live near the phone box (the useless one that is always vandalised)
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Can we just lay to rest this 'rumour' about the college moving away from Marple. It's not difficult to spot its origin: the governors' minutes previously quoted on this forum list a few options which they considered. One of these was to consolidate all three camsfc campuses on to a new site with a completely new building. However, the governors rejected this on the grounds of cost. It simply ain't going to happen.
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I have received complaints about certain posts in this topic and they have been removed to a hidden area. As I am at work at the moment that is all I can currently do. People need to calm down, be more polite in what they post and also less ready to take offence when none may be intended. I will try to provide some guidelines about complaining later as I suspect we are going to need them. Admin
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Can we just lay to rest this 'rumour' about the college moving away from Marple. It's not difficult to spot its origin: the governors' minutes previously quoted on this forum list a few options which they considered. One of these was to consolidate all three camsfc campuses on to a new site with a completely new building. However, the governors rejected this on the grounds of cost. It simply ain't going to happen.
Just out of interest Dave, would you be able to post a link to the minutes where this was rejected ?
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Can we just lay to rest this 'rumour' about the college moving away from Marple. It's not difficult to spot its origin: the governors' minutes previously quoted on this forum list a few options which they considered. One of these was to consolidate all three camsfc campuses on to a new site with a completely new building. However, the governors rejected this on the grounds of cost. It simply ain't going to happen.
Just out of interest Dave, would you be able to post a link to the minutes where this was rejected ?
He did in this post: http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=3554.msg17618#msg17618
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Can we just lay to rest this 'rumour' about the college moving away from Marple. It's not difficult to spot its origin: the governors' minutes previously quoted on this forum list a few options which they considered. One of these was to consolidate all three camsfc campuses on to a new site with a completely new building. However, the governors rejected this on the grounds of cost. It simply ain't going to happen.
Just out of interest Dave, would you be able to post a link to the minutes where this was rejected ?
He did in this post: http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=3554.msg17618#msg17618
When I read the minutes of 17th June 2010 (http://www.camsfc.ac.uk/assets/file/Govenors/Minutes%20of%20meetings/Estates%2017_06_10m%20amended%20F&G%2001_12_10.pdf) I don't come to the conclusion that consolidation had been rejected on grounds of cost. I got the impression it was one of three options being actively considered.
AHU talked to the paper detailing the options in relation to the Estates Strategy recommended by Principalship (paper previously circulated – deemed confidential on grounds of commercial sensitivity). There appeared to be three clear avenues to follow in the short and long term, briefly summarised as:
- Try to obtain planning consent for development at Cheadle. The cost of planning consultants was estimated at £25 - £30 k, although this was subject to confirmation and had the potential to be more. A tender process would be involved.
- Continue discussions with the Local Authority about the possibility of moving to a single site. The risk associated with moving to one site was that there could be a need to borrow significant amounts of additional funds.
- Investigate options for the Marple campus. Initially any consultancy fees could be kept to a minimum.
Estates Committee agreed that the College should move forward in a way that did not prejudice the final view taken. Dialogue would continue with the Local Authority. The Corporation would need to be sure that all the proposed options were being reviewed thoroughly.
The Committee recommended for approval by Corporation that the Estates Strategy be progressed as detailed in the three options recommended by Principalship.
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Good point Neil. The bit of those minutes that I was referring to was this:
'The options for each site and the possibility of moving to a single site were
discussed in detail, including planning considerations, different proposals for
buildings and facilities and the options for funding. The four funding
scenarios presented ranged from self funding, where energy saving works
and student retention works were undertaken, to extensive new build with a
£44-48 million gap in funding. [my bold type]
There were three recommendations resulting from the work undertaken :
? Undertake legislative compliance works and energy savings works
with a payback period of less than two years. The cost quoted for this
was £25k +VAT.
? Secure outline planning permission for work at the Cheadle campus.
The cost quoted for this was £70k +VAT.
? Initiate discussions regarding options for the Marple campus. The
cost quoted for this was £10 – 20k +VAT.'
But you're right to draw attention to the other section, which shows the college still engaging in discussions with SMBC about the possibility of moving on to a single site.
That said, the very high cost of this option is mentioned again ('a need to borrow significant amounts of additional funds'), and I still think that will make it a non-starter in the end. Perhaps the college is still talking to the council about this option in the hope that the council might help out in some way - perhaps by giving them the land? Fat chance of that, I suspect! ;D
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Sorry, I posted before I'd finished! I meant to add that even if the council gave the college the land for a new site, the college would still have to borrow the best part of £40 million, and there's no way they could afford that, or would be allowed to do that by their funders.
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Sorry, I posted before I'd finished! I meant to add that even if the council gave the college the land for a new site, the college would still have to borrow the best part of £40 million, and there's no way they could afford that, or would be allowed to do that by their funders.
Who funds them ?
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At the moment it's SMBC (for 16 - 18 year olds), and this lot....http://skillsfundingagency.bis.gov.uk/
...for over 19s. But from next year this lot.....http://www.ypla.gov.uk/...will take over funding of the younger students.
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The Yes facebook page now has a description which outlines its goals etc. Pasted in below. I know a lot of people were asking for such clarification so I hope this is useful for you:
We are broadly in favour of a new supermarket on Hibbert Lane in Marple. We are hoping that it would be big enough to compete with our existing supermarket, and provide much better value so that we are not forced into leaving Marple for our weekly shopping as so many are. If done correctly a new supermarket could provide an increase in overall employment opportunities, have a positive impact on tr...affic, increase passing trade to all local retailers, allow those without transport (and on low incomes) to shop far more affordably and offer a favourable overall outcome to all our community, young and old.
Furthermore, we see ourselves as a response to the Marple In Action (MIA) campaign which we think has used speculation and rumour to scare people into coming round to their point of view. We believe that their predictions on a hypermarket, traffic chaos, shop closures and the eradication of existing community facilities (without any concrete evidence to back them up) do the whole debate no favours at all.
Most importantly, we believe that the people of Marple should be allowed to see the plans for any new development on Hibbert Lane before passing final judgement on them, something that many ‘No’ campaigners are trying to deny us. As such we see our campaign as the natural home for the many people who wish to wait and see before making a decision.
Should these plans eventually show that the retailers in question indeed wish to build a hypermarket type store on the site in question, one totally out of proportion to the needs and infrastructure of Marple, then we of course reserve our right to change our minds. However, we feel that such a proposal would defy all logic and common sense.
We do not see ourselves as a mirror image of MIA in any way. We are not affiliated to any commercial organisation, political party or other pressure group, nor do we wish to be.
We intend to lobby local residents and other stakeholders into seeing that there are very much two sides to this argument. Ultimately we of course want the best for all the people of Marple and our wider community, we just believe in a different way of going about it.
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Thanks for posting that, HWL1973, very interesting. I am on the fence on this still. I was initially vaguely against but then became abit of a skeptic. There are alot of people 'on the fence' and also alot of people too scared to say they want a supermarket as they don't want to look like 'the bad guy' to their friends who are shopkeepers or big in MIA.
Reasons for slightly being against it for me is traffic and worries about local shops (howevere, I think it is more wider social changes that add to this and the shops seem to be closing anyway even without a Tesco/Asda). BUT I fully understand the need for a cheaper shop in marple where you can buy everything (not everyone can nip to stockport for a kettle, toaster etc and there are things you cannot get in Marple) which makes me vaguely for it, we struggled alot before we had a car/online shopping.
We use online shopping with one of the 'big 4'. Most of my friends in Marple do aswell but a few use Aldi or sainsburys in Hazel grove or Asda in hyde. So if everyone who does this changes to going local, would this outweigh the new traffic in? Can anyone give a view on that?
I also am skeptical about those who say it is only on Hibbert lane they are against a supermarket or that it is alright to have a supermarket as long as they don't sell practically everything other than food! I know of a few Tesco stores who got restrictions on pharmacies and clothes but there were many of those stores in the town. Marple has few clothes stores for those on low income so although I think it may restrict on pharmacies-I think it would be able to keep clothes and almost definately newspapers as all supermarkets seem to do them. I like M&Co when there is a sale but can't afford it otherwise as it is expensive. Charity shops are great but it is hit and miss as to what you can find. If you need a school uniform etc. you can't get it without travelling.
I also think it is shortsighted to think residents of chadwick street will want a supermarket there. I am sure the campaign would continue wherever the supermarket went. People on here have said that we don't need a supermarket, we have plenty-the co-op etc. but these people don't seem to be seeing the point of view of those on a low income who don't have cars or the means to do online shopping. When i said it was a struggle to do my shopping in marple-I was told kids can be obese these days (my kids are very slim) as they never walk and that i could easily get the bus (with several children) and go round several shops etc etc. If it was that easy/cost efficient , I would already be doing that.
As for ethics, yes the Co-op is one of the better supermarkets but just shopping there is only one thing on a long list of being ethical. I rarely holiday abroad and there are people who may shop at the co-op but fly on holiday alot or have 2 cars in a family etc etc. Many people use their heating when they could just wear a jumper etc. etc. or drive less than a mile away etc. there are many ways to be ethical, supermarket shopping is just one of them.
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Thanks for posting that, HWL1973, very interesting. I am on the fence on this still. I was initially vaguely against but then became abit of a skeptic. There are alot of people 'on the fence' and also alot of people too scared to say they want a supermarket as they don't want to look like 'the bad guy' to their friends who are shopkeepers or big in MIA.
Reasons for slightly being against it for me is traffic and worries about local shops (howevere, I think it is more wider social changes that add to this and the shops seem to be closing anyway even without a Tesco/Asda). BUT I fully understand the need for a cheaper shop in marple where you can buy everything (not everyone can nip to stockport for a kettle, toaster etc and there are things you cannot get in Marple) which makes me vaguely for it, we struggled alot before we had a car/online shopping.
We use online shopping with one of the 'big 4'. Most of my friends in Marple do aswell but a few use Aldi or sainsburys in Hazel grove or Asda in hyde. So if everyone who does this changes to going local, would this outweigh the new traffic in? Can anyone give a view on that?
I also am skeptical about those who say it is only on Hibbert lane they are against a supermarket or that it is alright to have a supermarket as long as they don't sell practically everything other than food! I know of a few Tesco stores who got restrictions on pharmacies and clothes but there were many of those stores in the town. Marple has few clothes stores for those on low income so although I think it may restrict on pharmacies-I think it would be able to keep clothes and almost definately newspapers as all supermarkets seem to do them. I like M&Co when there is a sale but can't afford it otherwise as it is expensive. Charity shops are great but it is hit and miss as to what you can find. If you need a school uniform etc. you can't get it without travelling.
I also think it is shortsighted to think residents of chadwick street will want a supermarket there. I am sure the campaign would continue wherever the supermarket went. People on here have said that we don't need a supermarket, we have plenty-the co-op etc. but these people don't seem to be seeing the point of view of those on a low income who don't have cars or the means to do online shopping. When i said it was a struggle to do my shopping in marple-I was told kids can be obese these days (my kids are very slim) as they never walk and that i could easily get the bus (with several children) and go round several shops etc etc. If it was that easy/cost efficient , I would already be doing that.
As for ethics, yes the Co-op is one of the better supermarkets but just shopping there is only one thing on a long list of being ethical. I rarely holiday abroad and there are people who may shop at the co-op but fly on holiday alot or have 2 cars in a family etc etc. Many people use their heating when they could just wear a jumper etc. etc. or drive less than a mile away etc. there are many ways to be ethical, supermarket shopping is just one of them.
Good post fair points made .
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Thanks for posting that, HWL1973, very interesting. I am on the fence on this still. I was initially vaguely against but then became abit of a skeptic. There are alot of people 'on the fence' and also alot of people too scared to say they want a supermarket as they don't want to look like 'the bad guy' to their friends who are shopkeepers or big in MIA.
Reasons for slightly being against it for me is traffic and worries about local shops (howevere, I think it is more wider social changes that add to this and the shops seem to be closing anyway even without a Tesco/Asda). BUT I fully understand the need for a cheaper shop in marple where you can buy everything (not everyone can nip to stockport for a kettle, toaster etc and there are things you cannot get in Marple) which makes me vaguely for it, we struggled alot before we had a car/online shopping.
We use online shopping with one of the 'big 4'. Most of my friends in Marple do aswell but a few use Aldi or sainsburys in Hazel grove or Asda in hyde. So if everyone who does this changes to going local, would this outweigh the new traffic in? Can anyone give a view on that?
I also am skeptical about those who say it is only on Hibbert lane they are against a supermarket or that it is alright to have a supermarket as long as they don't sell practically everything other than food! I know of a few Tesco stores who got restrictions on pharmacies and clothes but there were many of those stores in the town. Marple has few clothes stores for those on low income so although I think it may restrict on pharmacies-I think it would be able to keep clothes and almost definately newspapers as all supermarkets seem to do them. I like M&Co when there is a sale but can't afford it otherwise as it is expensive. Charity shops are great but it is hit and miss as to what you can find. If you need a school uniform etc. you can't get it without travelling.
I also think it is shortsighted to think residents of chadwick street will want a supermarket there. I am sure the campaign would continue wherever the supermarket went. People on here have said that we don't need a supermarket, we have plenty-the co-op etc. but these people don't seem to be seeing the point of view of those on a low income who don't have cars or the means to do online shopping. When i said it was a struggle to do my shopping in marple-I was told kids can be obese these days (my kids are very slim) as they never walk and that i could easily get the bus (with several children) and go round several shops etc etc. If it was that easy/cost efficient , I would already be doing that.
As for ethics, yes the Co-op is one of the better supermarkets but just shopping there is only one thing on a long list of being ethical. I rarely holiday abroad and there are people who may shop at the co-op but fly on holiday alot or have 2 cars in a family etc etc. Many people use their heating when they could just wear a jumper etc. etc. or drive less than a mile away etc. there are many ways to be ethical, supermarket shopping is just one of them.
Well said JMC I know alot of people who are on the fence. You make some very good points there. It is good to see the 3 sides of the debate.
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Thoughtful and balanced posts above - thank you. And there's another issue which we should not forget: selling the site to a supermarket would, we are told, net the college £8 million more than if they sold it for another use, such as housing. That is a big difference, and would enable the college to spend far more on badly needed enhancements to their facilities at Buxton Lane, for the benefit of the whole community.
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If the site was to become a supermarket, who would vow never to use it?
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If the site was to become a supermarket, who would vow never to use it?
I think everyone in marple at sometime in the whole time the supermarket is there, will use it....whether its for a big shop, a few bits or just nipping in for bread.....nomatter how much they say they are against it....i just dont understand how the MIA can say they dont want it on hibbert lane due to traffic, pollution shops closing etc.....yet they wouldnt mind one closer to the town centre where the same problems COULD (they might not....nobody can say for sure) occur. Also what annoys me is how they can turn around and say that if there was a supermarket then thye would like some restrictions on what it can sell.....only groceries...no newspapers, flowers, electricals, clothes etc.....how dare they even concider doing something like that.....that is just going too far. they make me laugh!!
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i don,t think a lot of MIA know about that or agree with it!
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I Speak for myself here, and no-one else.
I would be more than happy to use a supermarket IF it was A. small and B. Located within the business district of marple, as that area is going to be able to cope with the increased numbers of cars and padestrians. It would also have strong links with both the bus service and be a short walk to the train station. Building it in what is effectively the middle of no-were shopwise seems stupid, as A. the main road simply won't cope (although it looks calm now, your forgetting about the stupid juction by TP, and the bridge near the goyt mill) B. the noise pollution that would be generated by the cars, people etc would be unbareable, After all, the college only generates noise during the day, when most poeple are at work, or shopping etc. The same applies to light pollution. Granted, CO2 emmisions might not change if the supermarket was built in the centre of marple, but the emmisions would, however, be closer to a carbon sink (the park) and would not be as close to peoples homes.
I could also say how the yes campagin can alllow a supermarket that could POTENTUALLY Be the final nail in the coffin for marples village atmosphere (which we are stupidly lucky to have). I could also ask them how they can be affiliated with the various graffiti tags saying "vote tesco" around marple? (although i'm not saying that anyone in the YES campaign is responsible, or are in any way affiliated with the tagging)
Also, were did MIA State that they would impose conditions on what the shop could sell?
M.I.A. Dares because they care ;D
Disclaimer :
Any oppinions expressed in the above article are those of the writer, and the writer only.
All items mentioned are opinnion unless otherwise stated.
Non of the above post is designed as scaremongering.
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I Speak for myself here, and no-one else.
I would be more than happy to use a supermarket IF it was A. small and B. Located within the business district of marple, as that area is going to be able to cope with the increased numbers of cars and padestrians. It would also have strong links with both the bus service and be a short walk to the train station. Building it in what is effectively the middle of no-were shopwise seems stupid, as A. the main road simply won't cope (although it looks calm now, your forgetting about the stupid juction by TP, and the bridge near the goyt mill) B. the noise pollution that would be generated by the cars, people etc would be unbareable, After all, the college only generates noise during the day, when most poeple are at work, or shopping etc. The same applies to light pollution. Granted, CO2 emmisions might not change if the supermarket was built in the centre of marple, but the emmisions would, however, be closer to a carbon sink (the park) and would not be as close to peoples homes.
I could also say how the yes campagin can alllow a supermarket that could POTENTUALLY Be the final nail in the coffin for marples village atmosphere (which we are stupidly lucky to have). I could also ask them how they can be affiliated with the various graffiti tags saying "vote tesco" around marple? (although i'm not saying that anyone in the YES campaign is responsible, or are in any way affiliated with the tagging)
Also, were did MIA State that they would impose conditions on what the shop could sell?
M.I.A. Dares because they care ;D
Disclaimer :
Any oppinions expressed in the above article are those of the writer, and the writer only.
All items mentioned are opinnion unless otherwise stated.
Non of the above post is designed as scaremongering.
Below is taken directly from the MIA page from the heading have your say scroll down to the bottom Daniel and you will see the following:
Marple in Action is NOT against another supermarket opening in Marple, but think that it should:
Be of a suitable size to serve the population of Marple.
Be located in the town centre, where it would be more appropriate and benefit our local shops.
Have conditions imposed so that it can only sell groceries (no flowers, newspapers, stationery, clothes, shoes, electrical goods) so that it doesn't impact on local shops too much.
We feel that there must be better uses of the land that would benefit the whole community of Marple, such as affordable housing for young families or retired people, a community centre and/or health centre, more facilities for the youth of Marple
your question was: Also, were did MIA State that they would impose conditions on what the shop could sell?
The answer is in black and white!
Also the 'yes' group are in no way affiliated to any graffiti what so ever! we do not want this to happen and if you remember when you made a false allegation as to the burning of posters you was corrected by myself that it was not part of the 'yes' group. So please stop trying to stir trouble up! We can not be blamed for a few small minded people who feel free to deface our community.
we are a group of people who have actually stood up and said we don't agree with the statements from MIA, they claim to speak for Marple BUT they are NOT. By speaking to people around Marple not everyone is against a new supermarket and feel that MIA are making statements on their behalf what they do not agree to.
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The reality is that only on 'Planet MIA' does anyone believe that it would be remotely possible to prevent a supermarket from selling flowers and newspapers. ::)
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The reality is that only on 'Planet MIA' does anyone believe that it would be remotely possible to prevent a supermarket from selling flowers and newspapers. ::)
;D
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I would be more than happy to use a supermarket IF it was A. small and B. Located within the business district of marple, as that area is going to be able to cope with the increased numbers of cars and padestrians.
Increased numbers of cars and pedestrains would still mean more cars/trucks up Dan Bank/other roads in and out of Marple.
It sounds like some people don't mind a small supermarket as they know it won't be any cheaper really than the Co-op or threaten their businesses. I really understand why shop owners worry about competition as they cannot possibly compete with the big 4. BUT, I think people should also understand that those on a low income really need somewhere to do their shopping. There are so many things you have to go to Stockport for, for example. Bus fare may not be much to some people in Marple, but for others it makes a real difference if on a low income. It seems people aren't really considering this.
It also comes accross as abit 'NIMBY'ish that people with cars etc. choose to go to Hazel grove/Romiley/Hyde supermarkets yet wish to deny that choice (to get cheaper shopping) to others. Surely people can see that people on a low income would really like a store to be built there (Hibbert Lane) because it can be big and have everything under one roof.
Also, if it is Chadwick street that a proposed small store would be, do you really think residents there would mind? If they do, will people be campaigning then? Or would the people who live around Hibbert lane and object just breathe a sigh of relief?
As has been said on this thread and others, most people use supermarkets anyway these days. Things like newspapers can be read online for free. It's not just the big retailers that are putting shops out of business. As has been pointed out, many shops in Marple have closed (sadly) since the Co-op or for other reasons.
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@tina Apologises, I thought that the statement with regards to supermarket resrictions was "outside the box", hence why I thought someone had made it up!
From what I've read in this thread, and in others, Its clear that some people have different versions of exactly what they want, ranging from people not wanting a supermarket full stop, to people wanting a "large" supermarket to be built on the old college site. This, unfortunatly, is causing arguements, and dissagrements. Now, I personnally wouldn't mind a small supermarket on chadkirk street, and I know alot of people wouldn't mind the same (espically as it gives those of us who are less priviliged a place to shop cheaply). but unfortunatly It would appear that whichever superstore comes to marple will, at some point, build a big store in a place that isn't really suited for it.
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@tina Apologises, I thought that the statement with regards to supermarket resrictions was "outside the box", hence why I thought someone had made it up!
From what I've read in this thread, and in others, Its clear that some people have different versions of exactly what they want, ranging from people not wanting a supermarket full stop, to people wanting a "large" supermarket to be built on the old college site. This, unfortunatly, is causing arguements, and dissagrements. Now, I personnally wouldn't mind a small supermarket on chadkirk street, and I know alot of people wouldn't mind the same (espically as it gives those of us who are less priviliged a place to shop cheaply). but unfortunatly It would appear that whichever superstore comes to marple will, at some point, build a big store in a place that isn't really suited for it.
@ Daniel apology noted.
You don't mind a small store being built on Chadwick Street... Have you asked the residents what they think?
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My point exactly Tina has anyone asked anyone what they want ? NO they haven't and this is the whole point. HIBBERT lane and surrounding areas have not been asked, I have not been asked, HAVE YOU ?
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My point exactly Tina has anyone asked anyone what they want ? NO they haven't and this is the whole point. HIBBERT lane and surrounding areas have not been asked, I have not been asked, HAVE YOU ?
Nope I've not been asked either, but I would like to know the facts for my own decision to be made and not scared whitless.
I'm for a new supermarket I make no secret of it. I do however know friends who don't want it and respect their views, I believe everyone should have a voice, and by having a voice their view should be respected too.
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My point exactly Tina has anyone asked anyone what they want ? NO they haven't and this is the whole point. HIBBERT lane and surrounding areas have not been asked, I have not been asked, HAVE YOU ?
My instinct is that anyone prepared to risk their money in opening a retail business should be supported. If it's within the current retail area, then it's down to market research as to if the public want it. If they don't want a supermarket, it will not be used & will go bust.
I'd like any new store to compliment the existing shops hence, I support a new store in hte existing shops. I still think the co-op would be best advised in pusuading M&co to cross the road to the old supermarket unit and for the M&co store to be offered to a supermarket such as Morrisons who have explicitly said their strategy is to have more presence on hte high street. This may see the Co-op losing some trade but nowhere near the destruction of business that would be seen if the college site was turned over.
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Having just read through the Yes campaign's Facebook page, I feel I must raise my concerns. How are we supposed to take their campaign seriously when they seem to be advocating other new businesses such as Wetherspoons, MacDonalds, Primark, B&M, Soccer Sports etc. In my opinion, it is the very lack of such low grade, low quality places that makes Marple the special place it is. If all of these businesses were to open, Marple would lose its individual feel and become just another soulless, tacky, clone town. If these are the kinds of shops that the people supporting the Yes campaign really want, I would suggest that they move somewhere where these shops already exist. Why would they choose to live in a town that doesn't cater to their needs? Don't try and change our town just to fit your requirements when there are other places clearly far more suited to your lifestyle.
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Having just read through the Yes campaign's Facebook page, I feel I must raise my concerns. How are we supposed to take their campaign seriously when they seem to be advocating other new businesses such as Wetherspoons, MacDonalds, Primark, B&M, Soccer Sports etc. In my opinion, it is the very lack of such low grade, low quality places that makes Marple the special place it is. If all of these businesses were to open, Marple would lose its individual feel and become just another soulless, tacky, clone town. If these are the kinds of shops that the people supporting the Yes campaign really want, I would suggest that they move somewhere where these shops already exist. Why would they choose to live in a town that doesn't cater to their needs? Don't try and change our town just to fit your requirements when there are other places clearly far more suited to your lifestyle.
I don't think anyone should dictate the sort of shop that opens it's doors in Marple by that Netto or Waitrose. I do think we have a say on what is built and an identikit retail park is not for a small town like Marple.
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Having just read through the Yes campaign's Facebook page, I feel I must raise my concerns. How are we supposed to take their campaign seriously when they seem to be advocating other new businesses such as Wetherspoons, MacDonalds, Primark, B&M, Soccer Sports etc. In my opinion, it is the very lack of such low grade, low quality places that makes Marple the special place it is. If all of these businesses were to open, Marple would lose its individual feel and become just another soulless, tacky, clone town. If these are the kinds of shops that the people supporting the Yes campaign really want, I would suggest that they move somewhere where these shops already exist. Why would they choose to live in a town that doesn't cater to their needs? Don't try and change our town just to fit your requirements when there are other places clearly far more suited to your lifestyle.
I think you will find that those comments were made by people who have lived in marple all their lives and didn't move into Marple.
Low grade shops! really! How stuck up do you sound! would you prefer they wanted a marks and spensers and John Lewis?
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Tina,
I don't think the issue is whether or not a person has lived in Marple all of their life or have only just moved here.
The fact of the matter is if you don't like what Marple has to offer or it's shops fail to suit your lifestyle or budget then move, it really is that simple.
Next you will be wanting a Mecca bingo and a cash converter just to suit the needs of the impoverished few.
Oh and it's Marks and Spencer by the way.
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Having just read through the Yes campaign's Facebook page, I feel I must raise my concerns. How are we supposed to take their campaign seriously when they seem to be advocating other new businesses such as Wetherspoons, MacDonalds, Primark, B&M, Soccer Sports etc. In my opinion, it is the very lack of such low grade, low quality places that makes Marple the special place it is. If all of these businesses were to open, Marple would lose its individual feel and become just another soulless, tacky, clone town. If these are the kinds of shops that the people supporting the Yes campaign really want, I would suggest that they move somewhere where these shops already exist. Why would they choose to live in a town that doesn't cater to their needs? Don't try and change our town just to fit your requirements when there are other places clearly far more suited to your lifestyle.
I think you will find that those comments were made by people who have lived in marple all their lives and didn't move into Marple.
Low grade shops! really! How stuck up do you sound! would you prefer they wanted a marks and spensers and John Lewis?
Tina, I think you're missing the point that Sky Guy was trying to make. These people may have lived in Marple all their lives, but that doesn't mean that they should stay if their lifestyles and shopping habits as adults would be better served by moving elsewhere. If having a large Tesco or Asda on your doorstep is important to you, there are plenty of towns where that is already a possibility. It doesn't necessarily follow that Marple would be a better place if a large supermarket were built on Hibbert Lane, potentially destroying Market Street and the great range of independent shops we are so lucky to have. And anyway, people that have moved to Marple have done so because they like what Marple currently has to offer, not because they hope that one day a large supermarket may be built - quite the reverse!
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Tina,
I don't think the issue is whether or not a person has lived in Marple all of their life or have only just moved here.
The fact of the matter is if you don't like what Marple has to offer or it's shops fail to suit your lifestyle or budget then move, it really is that simple.
Next you will be wanting a Mecca bingo and a cash converter just to suit the needs of the impoverished few.
Oh and it's Marks and Spencer by the way.
how rude, don't be petty over a simple spelling mistake, and why should I move! honestly, this is a open debate and the Marple Website was set up for All to use. But at the moment I feel that if you don't agree with the MIA then you become a outcast and get told to move!
I could say petty things like why should M&Co be pressured into moving across the road into smaller premises so you can all have a smaller convenience store, why should our sorting office be closed down so you can have your smaller convenience store built on there without any care to Chadwick Street residents, you say you care about the surrounding homes at Hibbert Lane but then show no compassion to those on Chadwick?
It is statements like that what shows MIA have holes in their campaign. They don't want another supermarket full stop, they just try to butter everyone up with a hypocritical compromise, which still does not solve the problem for the college that they need to find some money to improve the college, if they don't then we could stand to loose it completely which I don't want and I know many more don't. I know people who will not dare to show they are in favour of a supermarket as they feel intimidated by MIA. Its not a nice feeling being made to feel stupid just because you want something different.
Flippant remarks have been made about wanting a McDonald's, sports shop etc etc, and you have jumped on it. Those are not what the 'yes' group are about. I actually wrote the remarks about those 2 shops, so feel I have the right to put you right on them, they was flippant remarks in a late night chat between 2 women, getting carried away with the banter.
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Tina,
I don't think the issue is whether or not a person has lived in Marple all of their life or have only just moved here.
The fact of the matter is if you don't like what Marple has to offer or it's shops fail to suit your lifestyle or budget then move, it really is that simple.
Next you will be wanting a Mecca bingo and a cash converter just to suit the needs of the impoverished few.
Oh and it's Marks and Spencer by the way.
I find that post abit rude and it sounds quite snobbish too. Are people not allowed to make spelling errors? How do you know someone isn't dyslexic etc.?
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Flippant remarks have been made about wanting a McDonald's, sports shop etc etc, and you have jumped on it. Those are not what the 'yes' group are about. I actually wrote the remarks about those 2 shops, so feel I have the right to put you right on them, they was flippant remarks in a late night chat between 2 women, getting carried away with the banter.
If the Yes page on Facebook is the only place others are able to follow your campaign then you have a duty to only post statements which reflect what you "are about". You're in danger of alienating others who may support you in the supermarket issue but not your other "flippant" remarks.
I also find it quite astonishing that people are intimidated by MIA. After all, they are simply doing what you are doing, voicing an opinion. In doing so they are also trying to reveal the truth that the college have tried so hard to conceal. From what I have seen, they are simply approaching people, telling them the facts as they know them and asking if they feel strongly enough to sign a petition. Hardly bullying tactics.
And, for the record, I'm not telling you to move because you disagree with MIA, I'm suggesting that if Marple does not meet your requirements, you have the option of moving to somewhere better suited to you and your family.
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Flippant remarks have been made about wanting a McDonald's, sports shop etc etc, and you have jumped on it. Those are not what the 'yes' group are about. I actually wrote the remarks about those 2 shops, so feel I have the right to put you right on them, they was flippant remarks in a late night chat between 2 women, getting carried away with the banter.
If the Yes page on Facebook is the only place others are able to follow your campaign then you have a duty to only post statements which reflect what you "are about". You're in danger of alienating others who may support you in the supermarket issue but not your other "flippant" remarks.
I also find it quite astonishing that people are intimidated by MIA. After all, they are simply doing what you are doing, voicing an opinion. In doing so they are also trying to reveal the truth that the college have tried so hard to conceal. From what I have seen, they are simply approaching people, telling them the facts as they know them and asking if they feel strongly enough to sign a petition. Hardly bullying tactics.
And, for the record, I'm not telling you to move because you disagree with MIA, I'm suggesting that if Marple does not meet your requirements, you have the option of moving to somewhere better suited to you and your family.
OK I acknowledge your thoughts on the yes page.
I don't want to move out of Marple! I was born here and proud to say I come from Marple. I am however a non driver and a single mother. I am not able to go to a supermarket out of Marple unless it involves asking someone to take me, and my friends and family have their own life and I don't feel happy asking for a lift so I get my shopping delivered by Asda. I would like to be able to go up to Marple and be able to buy all my shopping from up there but its just not possible. I have 2 jobs and a mortgage to pay. When I heard about the proposal of a supermarket coming to Marple I was pleased. If it doesn't get built then I will continue to get my shopping delivered. Not everyone are able to do this for various reasons. Just because I am in favour does not mean I should move out of Marple. also its those kind of comments what you are making is my point about MIA putting pressure on people. You are basically saying to me, I'm not telling you to move but suggest you do!
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And, for the record, I'm not telling you to move because you disagree with MIA, I'm suggesting that if Marple does not meet your requirements, you have the option of moving to somewhere better suited to you and your family.
All towns and villages change over time though. You could say that if you don't like a supermarket (if it is built) then you will 'have the option to move' if you don't like it.
It's not as simple as just upping sticks. There are houses to sell (if you own one in the first place otherwise you have even less choice), kids schools, family members etc etc. And the main point, just because someone has a difference of opinion to you and other people does not mean they should move, thats way OTT!!! (as I have just said not everyone has the 'option to just move' anyway.
As the the facebook group, I am sure all members have a difference of opinion just as not all MIA members may agree with your comments above (hopefully!). Otherwise they may be seen as also being snobby which I have heard those of the opposing view suggest. There are also many of us still on the fence trying to make our minds up or just waiting and see what will happen.
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just as a matter of intrest what do you mean MIA members are snobs ? I keep hearing this quite a look not only on this site but I have been informed that the YES Face Book page makes reference to all MIA members being snobs. Can someone please enlighten me as to what this assumption has been based on ??? As it's the most craziest thing I have ever heard lol lol ;D
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just as a matter of intrest what do you mean MIA members are snobs ? I keep hearing this quite a look not only on this site but I have been informed that the YES Face Book page makes reference to all MIA members being snobs. Can someone please enlighten me as to what this assumption has been based on ??? As it's the most craziest thing I have ever heard lol lol ;D
It would be a shame if this whole issue became all about "class" since we all live here and we all obviously love the area. I feel there is much common ground between the yes and no groups and think it would be far more positive if people could find a way to work together towards a solution that would make everyone happy.
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And, for the record, I'm not telling you to move because you disagree with MIA, I'm suggesting that if Marple does not meet your requirements, you have the option of moving to somewhere better suited to you and your family.
All towns and villages change over time though. You could say that if you don't like a supermarket (if it is built) then you will 'have the option to move' if you don't like it.
It's not as simple as just upping sticks. There are houses to sell (if you own one in the first place otherwise you have even less choice), kids schools, family members etc etc. And the main point, just because someone has a difference of opinion to you and other people does not mean they should move, thats way OTT!!! (as I have just said not everyone has the 'option to just move' anyway.
As the the facebook group, I am sure all members have a difference of opinion just as not all MIA members may agree with your comments above (hopefully!). Otherwise they may be seen as also being snobby which I have heard those of the opposing view suggest. There are also many of us still on the fence trying to make our minds up or just waiting and see what will happen.
It is very frustrating that whilst you have quoted my post, you seem not to have understood it! Again, let me say, I am not suggesting anyone moves "because they have a difference of opinion to me". I was suggesting that if someone wants a bigger range of shops than is available to them in Marple, they could choose to live elsewhere if that suited them better. And, whilst we're on the topic of moving, I certainly would consider moving IF Marple became another soulless town with more boarded up shops than thriving ones and the new "heart of the community" located within a supermarket carpark.
The other point here is that this is a forum on the Marple website, not a MIA website, where of course there are differing views. When there is a discussion re suitable new shops on the "Yes" campaign Facebook page between the administrators of said page, then you could be forgiven for thinking that these ideas were part of their overall campaign strategy.
Whilst I do not live in the immediate vicinity of Hibbert Lane and therefore will not be too badly affected by this proposal, it could be argued that I should be saying "Yes". I have no doubt that a large supermarket in Marple would save me money on my grocery shopping and on petrol. However, I do believe it is more important to look at the bigger picture and try to preserve and protect what many of us feel so passionately about i.e. our community and our way of life. I honestly feel that the fact that Marple does not have a huge supermarket or a Wetherspoons, MacDonalds, B&M and other "large town" stores is what sets it apart from other towns of similar size and makes it a bit special. So if I have to spend a couple of pounds more each week to make sure that happens, then I am more than happy to do so.
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Having just read through the Yes campaign's Facebook page, I feel I must raise my concerns. How are we supposed to take their campaign seriously when they seem to be advocating other new businesses such as Wetherspoons, MacDonalds, Primark, B&M, Soccer Sports etc. In my opinion, it is the very lack of such low grade, low quality places that makes Marple the special place it is. If all of these businesses were to open, Marple would lose its individual feel and become just another soulless, tacky, clone town. If these are the kinds of shops that the people supporting the Yes campaign really want, I would suggest that they move somewhere where these shops already exist. Why would they choose to live in a town that doesn't cater to their needs? Don't try and change our town just to fit your requirements when there are other places clearly far more suited to your lifestyle.
It was all tongue in cheek banter SkyGuy. Anyway, in case you've not noticed, Marple already has an Iceland, a Greggs, a Bargain Booze, two bookies, various take aways and a Co-op ;) . All we need is a pawn brokers, a Pound Land and a 24 hour criminal solicitors to complete the set!
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Having just read through the Yes campaign's Facebook page, I feel I must raise my concerns. How are we supposed to take their campaign seriously when they seem to be advocating other new businesses such as Wetherspoons, MacDonalds, Primark, B&M, Soccer Sports etc. In my opinion, it is the very lack of such low grade, low quality places that makes Marple the special place it is. If all of these businesses were to open, Marple would lose its individual feel and become just another soulless, tacky, clone town. If these are the kinds of shops that the people supporting the Yes campaign really want, I would suggest that they move somewhere where these shops already exist. Why would they choose to live in a town that doesn't cater to their needs? Don't try and change our town just to fit your requirements when there are other places clearly far more su ited to your lifestyle.
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It was all tongue in cheek banter SkyGuy. Anyway, in case you've not noticed, Marple already has an Iceland, a Greggs, a Bargain Booze, two bookies, various take aways and a Co-op ;) . All we need is a pawn brokers, a Pound Land and a 24 hour criminal solicitors to complete the set!
I didn't think you lived in MARPLE now ???
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And, for the record, I'm not telling you to move because you disagree with MIA, I'm suggesting that if Marple does not meet your requirements, you have the option of moving to somewhere better suited to you and your family.
All towns and villages change over time though. You could say that if you don't like a supermarket (if it is built) then you will 'have the option to move' if you don't like it.
It's not as simple as just upping sticks. There are houses to sell (if you own one in the first place otherwise you have even less choice), kids schools, family members etc etc. And the main point, just because someone has a difference of opinion to you and other people does not mean they should move, thats way OTT!!! (as I have just said not everyone has the 'option to just move' anyway.
As the the facebook group, I am sure all members have a difference of opinion just as not all MIA members may agree with your comments above (hopefully!). Otherwise they may be seen as also being snobby which I have heard those of the opposing view suggest. There are also many of us still on the fence trying to make our minds up or just waiting and see what will happen.
It is very frustrating that whilst you have quoted my post, you seem not to have understood it! Again, let me say, I am not suggesting anyone moves "because they have a difference of opinion to me". I was suggesting that if someone wants a bigger range of shops than is available to them in Marple, they could choose to live elsewhere if that suited them better. And, whilst we're on the topic of moving, I certainly would consider moving IF Marple became another soulless town with more boarded up shops than thriving ones and the new "heart of the community" located within a supermarket carpark.
The other point here is that this is a forum on the Marple website, not a MIA website, where of course there are differing views. When there is a discussion re suitable new shops on the "Yes" campaign Facebook page between the administrators of said page, then you could be forgiven for thinking that these ideas were part of their overall campaign strategy.
Whilst I do not live in the immediate vicinity of Hibbert Lane and therefore will not be too badly affected by this proposal, it could be argued that I should be saying "Yes". I have no doubt that a large supermarket in Marple would save me money on my grocery shopping and on petrol. However, I do believe it is more important to look at the bigger picture and try to preserve and protect what many of us feel so passionately about i.e. our community and our way of life. I honestly feel that the fact that Marple does not have a huge supermarket or a Wetherspoons, MacDonalds, B&M and other "large town" stores is what sets it apart from other towns of similar size and makes it a bit special. So if I have to spend a couple of pounds more each week to make sure that happens, then I am more than happy to do so.
You may feel that you are happy to spend the extra few quid to leave marple to get cheaper groceries but alot of people in marple do not have that option. this is what we are fighting for. If people saved on their weekly shop they would have more money to spend in marple. People should not be told to move just because they want a supermarket that suits them, some people have lived here their whe lives, some people love marple and feel a supermarket would complete it.
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And, for the record, I'm not telling you to move because you disagree with MIA, I'm suggesting that if Marple does not meet your requirements, you have the option of moving to somewhere better suited to you and your family.
All towns and villages change over time though. You could say that if you don't like a supermarket (if it is built) then you will 'have the option to move' if you don't like it.
It's not as simple as just upping sticks. There are houses to sell (if you own one in the first place otherwise you have even less choice), kids schools, family members etc etc. And the main point, just because someone has a difference of opinion to you and other people does not mean they should move, thats way OTT!!! (as I have just said not everyone has the 'option to just move' anyway.
As the the facebook group, I am sure all members have a difference of opinion just as not all MIA members may agree with your comments above (hopefully!). Otherwise they may be seen as also being snobby which I have heard those of the opposing view suggest. There are also many of us still on the fence trying to make our minds up or just waiting and see what will happen.
It is very frustrating that whilst you have quoted my post, you seem not to have understood it! Again, let me say, I am not suggesting anyone moves "because they have a difference of opinion to me". I was suggesting that if someone wants a bigger range of shops than is available to them in Marple, they could choose to live elsewhere if that suited them better. And, whilst we're on the topic of moving, I certainly would consider moving IF Marple became another soulless town with more boarded up shops than thriving ones and the new "heart of the community" located within a supermarket carpark.
The other point here is that this is a forum on the Marple website, not a MIA website, where of course there are differing views. When there is a discussion re suitable new shops on the "Yes" campaign Facebook page between the administrators of said page, then you could be forgiven for thinking that these ideas were part of their overall campaign strategy.
Whilst I do not live in the immediate vicinity of Hibbert Lane and therefore will not be too badly affected by this proposal, it could be argued that I should be saying "Yes". I have no doubt that a large supermarket in Marple would save me money on my grocery shopping and on petrol. However, I do believe it is more important to look at the bigger picture and try to preserve and protect what many of us feel so passionately about i.e. our community and our way of life. I honestly feel that the fact that Marple does not have a huge supermarket or a Wetherspoons, MacDonalds, B&M and other "large town" stores is what sets it apart from other towns of similar size and makes it a bit special. So if I have to spend a couple of pounds more each week to make sure that happens, then I am more than happy to do so.
You may feel that you are happy to spend the extra few quid to leave marple to get cheaper groceries but alot of people in marple do not have that option. this is what we are fighting for. If people saved on their weekly shop they would have more money to spend in marple. People should not be told to move just because they want a supermarket that suits them, some people have lived here their whe lives, some people love marple and feel a supermarket would complete it.
"some people love marple and feel a supermarket would complete it."
A lot of people also feel a supermarket would go towards finishing it and just make it another Identikit suburb!!!
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Thanks for posting that, HWL1973, very interesting. I am on the fence on this still. I was initially vaguely against but then became abit of a skeptic. There are alot of people 'on the fence' and also alot of people too scared to say they want a supermarket as they don't want to look like 'the bad guy' to their friends who are shopkeepers or big in MIA.
Reasons for slightly being against it for me is traffic and worries about local shops (howevere, I think it is more wider social changes that add to this and the shops seem to be closing anyway even without a Tesco/Asda). BUT I fully understand the need for a cheaper shop in marple where you can buy everything (not everyone can nip to stockport for a kettle, toaster etc and there are things you cannot get in Marple) which makes me vaguely for it, we struggled alot before we had a car/online shopping.
We use online shopping with one of the 'big 4'. Most of my friends in Marple do aswell but a few use Aldi or sainsburys in Hazel grove or Asda in hyde. So if everyone who does this changes to going local, would this outweigh the new traffic in? Can anyone give a view on that?
I also am skeptical about those who say it is only on Hibbert lane they are against a supermarket or that it is alright to have a supermarket as long as they don't sell practically everything other than food! I know of a few Tesco stores who got restrictions on pharmacies and clothes but there were many of those stores in the town. Marple has few clothes stores for those on low income so although I think it may restrict on pharmacies-I think it would be able to keep clothes and almost definately newspapers as all supermarkets seem to do them. I like M&Co when there is a sale but can't afford it otherwise as it is expensive. Charity shops are great but it is hit and miss as to what you can find. If you need a school uniform etc. you can't get it without travelling.
I also think it is shortsighted to think residents of chadwick street will want a supermarket there. I am sure the campaign would continue wherever the supermarket went. People on here have said that we don't need a supermarket, we have plenty-the co-op etc. but these people don't seem to be seeing the point of view of those on a low income who don't have cars or the means to do online shopping. When i said it was a struggle to do my shopping in marple-I was told kids can be obese these days (my kids are very slim) as they never walk and that i could easily get the bus (with several children) and go round several shops etc etc. If it was that easy/cost efficient , I would already be doing that.
As for ethics, yes the Co-op is one of the better supermarkets but just shopping there is only one thing on a long list of being ethical. I rarely holiday abroad and there are people who may shop at the co-op but fly on holiday alot or have 2 cars in a family etc etc. Many people use their heating when they could just wear a jumper etc. etc. or drive less than a mile away etc. there are many ways to be ethical, supermarket shopping is just one of them.
Fair comment but the only point I would raise is that the people living close to the post office/Chadwick street presumably bought/rented knowing they were living close to/behind etc the district centre and post office/shops and change of use from one form of retail premises to another is not quite the same as the current situation. I believe in informed choice and if I bought/rented my house facing a supermarket or shops etc then I could not really have grounds to complain if the shop simply changed hands or went from a post office to say a shoe shop. I am in no doubt they would however raise issue with the same and I do appreciate that.
The issue here is a college becoming a supermarket. The Yes campaigners say they do not support a hypermarket or huge store but in reality as I have already said (assuming the sale subject to planning goes ahead) once the land is sold the owners can, if they choose, keep applying for planning permission to extend etc and that is my real fear. SMBC could choose to continue to oppose the applications but the cost of doing so may prevent them from opposing anything beyong the initial application.
For the record the above is my view and not the view of anyone else or MIA.
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I hope this is not turning into a class war. It would be interesting if it did but not very helpful :o
I for one am hideously middle class yet have never darkened the doors of a Waitrose in my life, nor do I ever intend to.
MM, I have lived in or within 2 miles of Marple all of my life - the duration of which can be deduced from my username.
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MM, I have lived in or within 2 miles of Marple all of my life - the duration of which can be deduced from my username.
I have to say, as a newcomer, all this "not local" stuff is like living in Royston Vasey
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MM, I have lived in or within 2 miles of Marple all of my life - the duration of which can be deduced from my username.
I have to say, as a newcomer, all this "not local" stuff is like living in Royston Vasey
I agree! Check out this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XaKdhFGgMo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XaKdhFGgMo) for the most damning evidence!
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I'm not sure how that video is suppost to be damming? All it shows is a march through marple by the gneral public, Oh, and a gentalman with a megaphone.
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New blog entry "A touch more on Marple" from ex-CAMSFC student Josef Darlington on the Marple supermarket yes/no situation : http://www.josefadarlington.co.uk/1/post/2011/09/a-touch-more-on-marple.html (http://www.josefadarlington.co.uk/1/post/2011/09/a-touch-more-on-marple.html).
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I'm not sure how that video is suppost to be damming? All it shows is a march through marple by the gneral public, Oh, and a gentalman with a megaphone.
They're all going on about how long they've lived in Marple at one point :)
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Joseph doesn't live in Marple. He lived up in Strines, moved away to uni then moved back. I have shopeed with him at supermarkets at many times
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New blog entry "A touch more on Marple" from ex-CAMSFC student Josef Darlington on the Marple supermarket yes/no situation : http://www.josefadarlington.co.uk/1/post/2011/09/a-touch-more-on-marple.html (http://www.josefadarlington.co.uk/1/post/2011/09/a-touch-more-on-marple.html).
It's interesting but as soon I read 'Mark Thomas' I knew it would have a strongly anti-capitalist slant.
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Interesting blog but I don't find it very balanced personally.
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At least if a supermarket is built in marple , be it asda or tesco , they both do cracking cooked breakfast, ,butties jacket spuds from tesco cafe are to die for and easy free parking to boot . been lacking since grenaby farm shut :(
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At least if a supermarket is built in marple , be it asda or tesco , they both do cracking cooked breakfast, ,butties jacket spuds from tesco cafe are to die for and easy free parking to boot . been lacking since grenaby farm shut :(
. Oh you are such a card, I would never have time to go and have a breakfast I work from Dawn to dusk ! Keep them coming though it lightens up this subject Well done Martyn lol lol :-*
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Its nice to see things have calmed down on here lately.
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Just had a phone call on the Action Line from someone who wants a supermarket in Marple and was asking why we objected ? Once she was aware that the supermarket was to be built on Hibbert lane she was shocked as she thought that it was just going to be in the centre of Marple and pointed out that the YES campaign posters and Face Book page just says YES TO A SUPERMARKET IN MARPLE !!
If their admin is reading this I think it maybe a good idea to change the wording as it is quite mis leading but hey one more vote on our petition the lady was mortified at the thought of a supermarket on the CAMSFC site. ;D
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Just had a phone call on the Action Line from someone who wants a supermarket in Marple and was asking why we objected ? Once she was aware that the supermarket was to be built on Hibbert lane she was shocked as she thought that it was just going to be in the centre of Marple and pointed out that the YES campaign posters and Face Book page just says YES TO A SUPERMARKET IN MARPLE !!
If their admin is reading this I think it maybe a good idea to change the wording as it is quite mis leading but hey one more vote on our petition the lady was mortified at the thought of a supermarket on the CAMSFC site. ;D
Noticed today that the card shop next to the coop travel is now empty .[ cant blame that on the supermarket can you . ]
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Well I would seriously consider as to renewing my lease with the threat of a supermarket looming!They tend to be long term.If a supermarket was to open it would take away passing trade on the co-op site.I know of a house sale on Hibbert Lane that has already fallen through due to the proposed supermarket and a cancelled viewing of another!This will affect a lot of people financially :'(
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No but the cards were very expensive so maybe that's the reason, also was she not due to retire ?
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No but the cards were very expensive so maybe that's the reason, also was she not due to retire ?
could be . the cards at the toy shop quite reasonable .
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Noticed today that the card shop next to the coop travel is now empty .[ cant blame that on the supermarket can you . ]
I think you will find that it is the rent. Guess who is the landlord ... that thoroughly "ethical" supermarket called the Co-op.
Time for a serious supermarket to come to Marple and remove that monopoly.
Even Fine and Country (Estate agents on the corner of Hollins Lane and Stockport Road) now appear to have had their building repossessed. I expect some on this forum will find some way of blaming that on the prospect of a new supermarket when really it is Marple Inaction's opposition to any development that is killing this town.
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why buy one card in Marple for £3/£4 when you can buy 10 for £1 in Card Factory.
Notice that the Co-op have started selling a large box of Thorntons chocolates at a reduced price of £5, surely this is taking trade away from the little Thorntons shop in the precinct.
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A great turnout for the 'yes' campaign today for the photo opportunity ;) when they said meet near the phonebox i didn't realise if you took the trolleys away you could probably have all got in the phonebox lol.
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You are joking ! I avoided Hibbert Lane this morning on my way to visit family because I thought there maybe a large crowd there blocking the road, so you are saying that I put another half hour travelling time on my journey for nothing, or are you joking ? ;)
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NOT joking , about ten adults the rest children ....
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Noticed today that the card shop next to the coop travel is now empty .[ cant blame that on the supermarket can you . ]
I think you will find that it is the rent. Guess who is the landlord ... that thoroughly "ethical" supermarket called the Co-op.
Time for a serious supermarket to come to Marple and remove that monopoly.
Even Fine and Country (Estate agents on the corner of Hollins Lane and Stockport Road) now appear to have had their building repossessed. I expect some on this forum will find some way of blaming that on the prospect of a new supermarket when really it is Marple Inaction's opposition to any development that is killing this town.
Now in Marple Bridge very small shop .
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why buy one card in Marple for £3/£4 when you can buy 10 for £1 in Card Factory.
Notice that the Coop have started selling a large box of Thorntons chocolates at a reduced price of £5, surely this is taking trade away from the little Thorntons shop in the precinct.
OK But .They no to a supermarket keep telling us to shop lo call .All the thousands that have signed against it .coming wont yo use it dont think .
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why buy one card in Marple for £3/£4 when you can buy 10 for £1 in Card Factory.
Notice that the Coop have started selling a large box of Thorntons chocolates at a reduced price of £5, surely this is taking trade away from the little Thorntons shop in the precinct.
OK But .They no to a supermarket keep telling us to shop lo call .All the thousands that have signed against it .coming wont yo use it dont think .
???? don't understand what you are trying to say Amazon?MIA are not telling people to shop local,thats up to the individual,but it is a fact that most small towns lose what shops they have as they can't compete with the big boys.Lots of people come to shop in Marple as we still have a thriving town centre.They, sadly have lost theirs.As for Thorntons chocolates being sold cheaply, they are not of the same quality as the originals from a Thorntons shop.Thorntons supply lots of supermarkets with the inferior ones to capture a wider market.But I think it has cheapened the brand name.But Thorntons will be selling a lot more chocolates!
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A great turnout for the 'yes' campaign today for the photo opportunity ;) when they said meet near the phonebox i didn't realise if you took the trolleys away you could probably have all got in the phonebox lol.
You are joking ! I avoided Hibbert Lane this morning on my way to visit family because I thought there maybe a large crowd there blocking the road, so you are saying that I put another half hour travelling time on my journey for nothing, or are you joking ? ;)NOT joking , about ten adults the rest children ....
Oh now I am not a Happy Bunny ! :-[
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the thorntons chocolates are 5 pounds in the middle of marple as well its a special promotion
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Lots of people come to shop in Marple as we still have a thriving town centre.
Do they? Really? From where?
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Todays photo shoot was to show there are people out there who are in favour of a supermarket. It was short notice to get people on board as the Stockport Express are busy people and could only come this morning, believe it or not some people have work on a Saturday and family commitments. People sent their support via personal inbox messages as they feel they get verbally attacked for having a different opinion to MIA. Either that or our friends get 101 questions as to who we are, where we live and who we are related to.
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Lots of people come to shop in Marple as we still have a thriving town centre.
Do they? Really? From where?
Yes where ?
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Interesting link on the 'Latest News' thread. To save you searching for it, here it is again. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14655986
It's about Oakham in Rutland, a town I happen to know. The population is about 10,000 (i.e. less than half of our population in Marple). At first glance, the headline clearly takes an anti-supermarket stance. But read on........
'Oakham's high street has one of the highest proportion of independent shops in the Midlands....... The small number of empty premises are soon snapped up by new retailers...... There are no boarded up shop windows. There's no need.'
And guess what? They've had a Tesco for the past ten years! :o Hasn't done them much harm has it?
As I've said before, in a few years time we could well find that having a decent supermarket turns out to be one of the best things that has happened to Marple, and could revitalise the town as a retail centre.
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Interesting link on the 'Latest News' thread. To save you searching for it, here it is again. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14655986
It's about Oakham in Rutland, a town I happen to know. The population is about 10,000 (i.e. less than half of our population in Marple). At first glance, the headline clearly takes an anti-supermarket stance. But read on........
'Oakham's high street has one of the highest proportion of independent shops in the Midlands....... The small number of empty premises are soon snapped up by new retailers...... There are no boarded up shop windows. There's no need.'
And guess what? They've had a Tesco for the past ten years! :o Hasn't done them much harm has it?
As I've said before, in a few years time we could well find that having a decent supermarket turns out to be one of the best things that has happened to Marple, and could revitalise the town as a retail centre.
Well said Dave, I think it would be good for Marple too. There are too many negative maybes being said.
It's nice to read a post where no one is being slagged off or shouted at or even ridiculed.
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As I've said before, in a few years time we could well find that having a decent supermarket turns out to be one of the best things that has happened to Marple, and could revitalise the town as a retail centre.
I'm broadly against the idea of a supermarket, and would rather we didn't have one. But as a realist, I think that we've got an uphill battle on our hands. The link you posted shows an example where a supermarket hasn't ruined the town centre. Another example is across in Glossop. The Tesco there is the same distance from the town centre as the hibbert lane campus is, and the local shops and businesses are doing alright. Not great, and there are some empty shops, but they are doing alright. Pretty much similar to the situation in Marple at the moment.
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6 people from the 'Yes' campaign at the rally in the park and now only 10 people at a photo shoot for the local rag which they organised.
Look on the bright side guys that's a 40% increase in attendance.
Even the 'Yes' campaigns Facebook page shows that people are not in favour of a supermarket according to their online poll.
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why buy one card in Marple for £3/£4 when you can buy 10 for £1 in Card Factory.
Notice that the Coop have started selling a large box of Thorntons chocolates at a reduced price of £5, surely this is taking trade away from the little Thorntons shop in the precinct.
OK But .They no to a supermarket keep telling us to shop lo call .All the thousands that have signed against it .coming wont yo use it dont think .
???? don't understand what you are trying to say Amazon?MIA are not telling people to shop local,thats up to the individual,but it is a fact that most small towns lose what shops they have as they can't compete with the big boys.Lots of people come to shop in Marple as we still have a thriving town centre.They, sadly have lost theirs.As for Thorntons chocolates being sold cheaply, they are not of the same quality as the originals from a Thorntons shop.Thorntons supply lots of supermarkets with the inferior ones to capture a wider market.But I think it has cheapened the brand name.But Thorntons will be selling a lot more chocolates!
Have emailed Thorntons will wait there reply .
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You are joking ! I avoided Hibbert Lane this morning on my way to visit family because I thought there maybe a large crowd there blocking the road, so you are saying that I put another half hour travelling time on my journey for nothing, or are you joking ? ;)
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Miss Reddish if you were able to avoid Hibbert Lane so successfully, then could you not just avoid it WHEN the supermarket is built? Would this not just stop your aggravations and problems?
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You are joking ! I avoided Hibbert Lane this morning on my way to visit family because I thought there maybe a large crowd there blocking the road, so you are saying that I put another half hour travelling time on my journey for nothing, or are you joking ? ;)
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Miss Reddish if you were able to avoid Hibbert Lane so successfully, then could you not just avoid it WHEN the supermarket is built? Would this not just stop your aggravations and problems?
Nice try lol lol :-*
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I have just had an overwhelming moment of clarity.
WHY do we even bother to enter into discussions with the 'YES' campaign.
We in the 'NO' campaign give them far too much credit and I will list my reasons,
1. If it wasn't for MIA the 'YES' campaign would not have even found out about the proposed supermarket on Hibbert Lane. It is only through the tireless work which members of MIA have put into this that the community as a whole has been informed and yet the 'YES' campaign does everything it can to discredit them.
2. Who/What are the 'YES' campaign fighting in order to be successful in achieving it's goals.. We in the 'NO' campaign can vent our anger and frustrations at the College, Governors, Councilors, Planning dept and even our local MP. But these avenues are not available to the 'YES' campaign so we in the 'NO' campaign are drawn into petty arguments just in order raise their profile and in doing so we give them the spotlight that they need in order for their views to be heard.
3. They have very little support regardless of what they say, the proof is in the pudding. Six people at rally in the park then 10 people at yesterday's press shoot outside the college. I find it totally unbelievable that even their own Facebook poll discredits them and that over 100 more people actually don't want a supermarket.
I know that I wind them up and I enjoy doing so BUT I urge you all not to play into their hands and give them the credit and recognition of an organised body that they do not deserve.
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Believe me Sky Guy, the only person discrediting any group of late, is yourself. I work for one of the said Supermarkets, along with my other employment working within Marple, in a community based employment , it is not in my interest to join the M.I.A group for various reasons ( that does not mean I agree or disagree with their cause) .
Having said that, it is very very clear the hard work and dedication that the M.I.A take upon themselves , you say so yourself, so do M.I.A a favour, stop the cheap snipes at the Yes group, stop winding them up, and stop posting remarks to incite an argument , that then Mark ( admin ) has to spend time removing , do you not think he has better things to do, its not fair .. show some respect for the people you supposively support , you may enjoy winding people up, but dont do it at the expense of other people, people will stop reading the boards because they have been simply "trolled " .. which means the cause looses valuble supporters because people like you discredit the No group .
I speak as I see, so only my own opinion, but Im sure I cant be the only person who feels like this .
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I do wonder if you speak to people like this in your everyday life. If you vote for Labour and your neighbour votes Liberal do you say rude things to them and shout them down for voting different to you? Do you make them feel bad for wanting something different from you? Do they have to eat the same food as yo, Drive the same car, wear the same clothes? Because to me this is how you are all coming across.
I am fed up of coming on here now and seeing all the disgusting things you are saying about the yes people. I admit I get drawn into it and respond. I don't get any enjoyment out of it infact it puts me in a bad mood because I know I have let myself down by getting drawn in.
You don't want a supermarket I do so lets just agree to disagree! and stop all the bitching!!!
afterall it would be a very boring world if we all did the same and become a sheep!
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Very clever girls,
I list a whole bunch of points which I feel are valid and you avoid answering them.
Instead you try to discredit me just like you do to any other 'No' supporter rather than entering into informed debate. And the reason why.... You haven't got a clue about what you are talking about because the only reason ALL of the 'YES' campaign want a supermarket is so they can get tuppence off a can of beans and you couldn't give a dam about anybody else or how it may affect them.
I really couldn't give a damm if your rich or poor BUT when you make decisions based purely on self intrest regardless of how they may affect others and the impact it will have on the community as a whole then expect my wrath.
Now my blinding moment of clarity has returned and I will not post ever again regarding the YES campaign because you guys are just not worth my time.
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For your information, I do not belong to any group
And another bit of information for you , Tina is a close family member of mine, she has very different views and opinions to mine over this whole Supermarket debate , I might not agree with her, but I dont disrespect that she has an opinion that differs greatly to mine .
Maybe you should read my post more clearly, I happen to agree and disagree with both arguements for and against, I clearly stated that it is not in my interest to Join the No group, and it wouldnt take a genius to work out this applies to the Yes group also .
Thats my last post to you, my point was to tell you to stop wasting peoples time, stop inciting arguments, and have respect for the people in the group you support, but also have a bit of respect for the people in the group you dont support, even if it means rising above the things they say that you dont like .
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the only reason ALL of the 'YES' campaign want a supermarket is so they can get tuppence off a can of beans and you couldn't give a dam about anybody else or how it may affect them...... when you make decisions based purely on self intrest regardless of how they may affect others and the impact it will have on the community as a whole then expect my wrath.
Er, well, not quite SkyGuy. A key issue for some of us is that if MIA's campaign is successful (which I don't believe it will be, but that's another matter), the effect would be to deprive Marple of £8 million of capital investment in our sub-standard educational facilities. That is a very long way from being 'based purely on self intrest regardless of how they may affect others and the impact it will have on the community as a whole'.
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Very clever girls,
I list a whole bunch of points which I feel are valid and you avoid answering them.
Instead you try to discredit me just like you do to any other 'No' supporter rather than entering into informed debate. And the reason why.... You haven't got a clue about what you are talking about because the only reason ALL of the 'YES' campaign want a supermarket is so they can get tuppence off a can of beans and you couldn't give a dam about anybody else or how it may affect them.
I really couldn't give a dam if your rich or poor BUT when you make decisions based purely on self intrest regardless of how they may affect others and the impact it will have on the community as a whole then expect my wrath.
Now my blinding moment of clarity has returned and I will not post ever again regarding the YES campaign because you guys are just not worth my time.
AND finally we can all go back to our 'Marple' bubble now the nasty man has gone............... SKYGUY YOU WILL be reading this because you have seen you name, It seams you have nothing nice to say, now in the words of thumpers Mum in Bambi, If you have nothing nice to say say nothing at all.
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Hi just playing devils advocate here Dave because what you are saying is not fact so, once again I will say ! If it's such a good thing for the college to sell the land to a supermarket and merge onto one site why is it being kept such a secret ??? Dave I can assure you that if you had been in the meetings which I have been to, spokened to people at the YPLA and numerous other relevant agencies, had sight of the documentation I have been privy to and now discovered that over £75.000 plus has already been spent on consultancy fees by the college on what may or may not happen I feel that you would be a little less eager to support this.
If I was Ms Cassidy I would be shouting from the roof tops on what a fantastic opportunity this is for CAMSFC and our children's future education in MARPLE but sadly she will not comment not only to MIA but also to SMBC and our MP and elected members.
Say what you want Dave but something is not quite right !
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AND finally we can all go back to our 'Marple' bubble now the nasty man has gone............... SKYGUY YOU WILL be reading this because you have seen your name, It seams you have nothing nice to say, now in the words of thumpers Mum in Bambi, If you have nothing nice to say say nothing at all.
[/quote]Nasty?? now this is what I call nasty (Time to spam their page )quote from a Yes supporter on Facebook.There is nothing "Nice" to say about the prospect of our town possibly closing down :(
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Hi just playing devils advocate here Dave because what you are saying is not fact so, once again I will say ! If it's such a good thing for the college to sell the land to a supermarket and merge onto one site why is it being kept such a secret ???
What have I said that is not so? And as for the college's intentions, they have announced them on their website: http://www.camsfc.ac.uk/cmsfc-about.asp?AboID=90. What's secret about that?
Dave I can assure you that if you had been in the meetings which I have been to, spokened to people at the YPLA and numerous other relevant agencies, had sight of the documentation I have been privy to....
I'm afraid no-one takes all this conspiracy theory stuff very seriously, Miss M - I'd give it a rest if I were you. ::)
and now discovered that over £75.000 plus has already been spent on consultancy fees by the college on what may or may not happen
The college is a highly regulated public body which is planning to spend about £14 million on new buildings, and on extending and refurbishing existing buildings. They obviously need to take specialised professional advice in order to ensure that the money is not wasted, and I suspect that you would be the first to make a fuss if a penny of it were to be mis-spent! If you had ever built a big building, you would know that spending 0.5% of the cost (yes, just half of one percent) on initial professional fees is a necessary and very modest cost, and it would be irresponsible of the college to spend millions of pounds without having done so.
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My last and final post on the Yes for a Supermarket topic.
Dave the truth is out there ! We have just got to find it ! Over and out of this topic ! Beam me up real world ;D
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oh dear! I've been to work today earned a crust for my family and your all still at it! I suspect that skyguy and MM will pop up again on the yes page because they can't resist. How many times have you said its your final word MM and then spin off a few more stories?
Has it ever occurred to you that Ms Cassidy will not respond to your questions because you are rude? I emailed a few weeks back and was very polite asked a couple of questions and guess what?.... I got a reply!
Stop bitching, stop snooping on facebook and all go about your lives.
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Ok, hows about we all call down here.
Tina, Please be carefull, your generally well mannerd, but your starting to become a little rude (mind you, I can be rude at times too ::) )
From what I can gather, MIA wrote to Ms cassidy, not MM (although MM might have wrote to her to)
People ARE going about there lives, and for some people, taking part in the battle to stop the supermarket is, currently, part of there life.
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Ok, hows about we all call down here.
Tina, Please be carefull, your generally well mannerd, but your starting to become a little rude (mind you, I can be rude at times too ::) )
From what I can gather, MIA wrote to Ms cassidy, not MM (although MM might have wrote to her to)
People ARE going about there lives, and for some people, taking part in the battle to stop the supermarket is, currently, part of there life.
Please explaine how that is seen to be rude?
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Stop bitching, stop snooping on facebook and all go about your lives.
I'd certainly call that "rude".
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oh dear! I've been to work today earned a crust for my family and your all still at it! I suspect that skyguy and MM will pop up again on the yes page because they can't resist.
"and your still at it!" - Thats like saying "you just don't shut up, do you?"
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3. They have very little support regardless of what they say, the proof is in the pudding. Six people at rally in the park then 10 people at yesterday's press shoot outside the college. I find it totally unbelievable that even their own Facebook poll discredits them and that over 100 more people actually don't want a supermarket.
I am not in the YES or NO camp. But I do know that the YES Facebook poll was hijacked by the MIA page or NO supporters. I know this because I am friends with those from both YES/NO camps and saw a link to the poll on the MIA page/NO supporters pages encouraging NO supporters to vote on it.
I also have a hunch (and been told as much) that many people are too nervous to go public with their voice of YES, so there are probably people that chose not to go due to this. Especially as they would be recognised in a picture. You only have to see what they have been called on here. Also, there is a large group of us 'on the fence's who have yet to make our minds up and can see both sides. I would think this is a sizeable number of people.
I don't agree that it is totally selfish if you are on the YES side. There is the money for college argument aswell as the many people on low incomes who NEED to save money, competition, jobs etc.
You could turn your 'argument' round and say the business owners are acting in their own 'selfish' interests and not considering those on low incomes (this is not my opinion by the way-just an example that that argument could be used both ways).
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Hey take a look at what MIA have been called on the YES face book page ! Now let's just stop this here and now this is just becoming a platform for the Yes campaign Let's all grow up and debate not score points AGREED ???
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Miss M, what a surprise, you're back again after your very short vow of silence (3 hours 6 minutes!) ;)
My last and final post on the Yes for a Supermarket topic.
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Yes I have a good teacher Dave ;). Lol x
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Hey JMC I must also be very selfish because I care about increased traffic for everyone , I care about my grandchildrens continued education facilities , I care about my house and other peoples house 's devaluation, I care about the safety of our most vulnerable on our already congested roads, I care about that all important emergency appliance getting to me mine or others in time to make a difference between life and death, I care about the community losing an education facility I care that this maybe the start of things to come ?
Oh my God what a selfish cow I am ;)
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Stop bitching, stop snooping on facebook and all go about your lives.
I'd certainly call that "rude".
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oh dear! I've been to work today earned a crust for my family and your all still at it! I suspect that skyguy and MM will pop up again on the yes page because they can't resist.
"and your still at it!" - Thats like saying "you just don't shut up, do you?"
Ok I'm rude!
I have to agree with JMC alot of people are on the fence, and after speaking to alot of people on the fence I have respected their opinion and not forced myself upon them. Some people have said they would like to have a yes poster in their window but feel intimidated by the no campaign. I respect them and don't make them feel silly. People wanted to join us in the photoshoot but again didn't feel comfortable with being recognised, and once again I respected their choice. I don't make people feel worthless and belittle them like the few people on here constantly do. You few people can shout me down and try to make me look silly, but guess what it just makes me stronger. I am proud of who I am and proud of what I stand for.
Yes our yes page got spamed by a lot of no people and they all came on and did the poll to try to belittle us. It didn't really bother us, it still doesn't.
You all look on the yes page then come on here and quote what ever is said, that still doesn't bother me.
Yes I'm rude I hold my hands up!
Those who know me know I'm not rude. That's all what matters to me.
Daniel the last part..... and your still at it!" - Thats like saying "you just don't shut up, do you?"
That was my exact point!!!! didn't take her long to chirp back! <<< yes thats rude, but true!
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Hey JMC I must also be very selfish because I care about increased traffic for everyone , I care about my grandchildrens continued education facilities , I care about my house and other peoples house 's devaluation, I care about the safety of our most vulnerable on our already congested roads, I care about that all important emergency appliance getting to me mine or others in time to make a difference between life and death, I care about the community losing an education facility I care that this maybe the start of things to come ?
Oh my God what a selfish cow I am ;)
I care about those things too, I am sure everyone here does. But we each have differing priorities (like with anything in life and according to our individual needs) and different beliefs as to which of those things would be affected by a supermarket on Hibbert Lane.
Some people think that the traffic would even out, for example, if more people stayed in Marple to shop. Some feel there is more of a threat of losing an educational facility if the college don't sell Hibbert Lane campus.
It is not wrong, though, to have your main priority as either; cheaper food shopping if you are on a low income, concerns regarding the price of your house devaluing, worries about the effect on your own business etc. All those people will have different priorities, doesn't make them wrong or selfish but they are seeing it from their point of view depending on where they will be affected. This doesn't mean that they do not care about the above concerns or are selfish.
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Very good sense from JMC
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AND finally we can all go back to our 'Marple' bubble now the nasty man has gone............... SKYGUY YOU WILL be reading this because you have seen your name, IT seams you have nothing nice to say, now in the words of thumps Mum in Bambi, If you have nothing nice to say say nothing at all.
Nasty?? now this is what I call nasty (Time to spam their page )quote from a Yes supporter on Facebook.There is nothing "Nice" to say about the prospect of our town possibly closing down :(
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If the supermarket ever comes there wont be many shops in Marple open anyway the rate they are closing . . Glossop seems to be doing quite well though .and they have a supermarket .
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Hmm, seems the "yes" campaigners aren't all "halo wairing fairy's" after all ::)
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This house devaluation issue. It puzzles me as it is usually the last resort of a Daily Mail reader. The next logical step would be for someone to argue that a supermarket on Hibbert Lane would encourage illegal immigrants ???
My quandary is this. Many people arguing against a supermarket want affordable housing in Marple instead. If a supermarket delivers this by other means is this not a good thing? Or is it a case of affordable housing being good unless it is my house that is rendered affordable, in which case it is bad?
The truth is actually that house prices are going nowhere (at best) for around 5 years according to most people in the know. Any supermarket in Marple would do very little to change that overall trend. We should of course all be rejoicing at this.
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From what I understand, the "reduction in house prices" arguement is based on comparisions of places that have had a supermarket built (sort of a before and after thing)
I thought the "lul" in house price movement was a nationwide average, not a local issue? Mind you, i'm only a student :P
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Interesting link on the 'Latest News' thread. To save you searching for it, here it is again. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14655986
It's about Oakham in Rutland, a town I happen to know. The population is about 10,000 (i.e. less than half of our population in Marple). At first glance, the headline clearly takes an anti-supermarket stance. But read on........
'Oakham's high street has one of the highest proportion of independent shops in the Midlands....... The small number of empty premises are soon snapped up by new retailers...... There are no boarded up shop windows. There's no need.'
And guess what? They've had a Tesco for the past ten years! :o Hasn't done them much harm has it?
As I've said before, in a few years time we could well find that having a decent supermarket turns out to be one of the best things that has happened to Marple, and could revitalise the town as a retail centre.
Very good post Dave.
A key pillar of the MIA campaign is that a new supermarket on Hibbert Lane would kill the town centre. It is accepted without question, as is seemingly the jingoistic "Save Our Community" slogan that would find a better home on the Simpsons. Everyone at the rally seemed to on message with this too as if there was no question that it would happen.
I asked at the rally, are Glossop, Buxton, Whaley Bridge, Chapel all ghost towns? They all have a large supermarket. I don't know the answer to that question to be honest but suspect that (despite the cries of 'Yes' from the rally attendees) it is in the negative. Of course there is no proof and we are talking really about hypotheses. You can go on the Tescopoly website of course but if you expect a balanced view from that lot then you need to give your head a wobble. The best approach would be to compare shop occupancy rates in Marple with comparable towns nearby that have a large supermarket in or near them. I'd guess that the results of such a study would surprise many people.
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From what I understand, the "reduction in house prices" arguement is based on comparisions of places that have had a supermarket built (sort of a before and after thing)
I'd like to see a link to this study then if possible
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Look at the size of the tesco though, its compareable to the Co-op, even the car-parks nearly the same size!
@ HWL1973, its late and i'm going to head to bed, when I get back from college i'll do my best to dig it out :) no promises though.
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HWL, I don't know about Chapel, but the shops in Glossop, Buxton and Whaley seem to be doing fine. On the other hand, New Mills, which hasn't got a proper supermarket, is really struggling.
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AND finally we can all go back to our 'Marple' bubble now the nasty man has gone............... SKYGUY YOU WILL be reading this because you have seen your name, IT seams you have nothing nice to say, now in the words of thumps Mum in Bambi, If you have nothing nice to say say nothing at all.
Nasty?? now this is what I call nasty (Time to spam their page )quote from a Yes supporter on Facebook.There is nothing "Nice" to say about the prospect of our town possibly closing down :(
If the supermarket ever comes there wont be many shops in Marple open anyway the rate they are closing . . Glossop seems to be doing quite well though .and they have a supermarket .
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No your right spamming it’s not a nice to say, Or to do, But then that is my opinion I DO NOT speak for any other then myself and I.
When you say about the town becoming a ghost town, the question I ask myself is what shops will really be affected if a supermarket did open up on Hibbert lane or elsewise in Marple?
I mean let’s be honest for a second, Most people on hear do NOT do their weekly shop in Marple so the shops that we have in the town center are there because people make a point of going to them and not passing trade. Look at Littlewoods butchers for instance, its very location means it’s a destination shop. (That does some really grate pies!)
In fact with the exception of the pound shop and the charity shop (we do love a bargain!) I can’t think of any shop in market street people just ‘pop in’ just in case they see something, I might be wrong and feel I might be corrected on this ,but what I don’t see is the shops that we have there being affected, But then only time will tell.
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From what I understand, the "reduction in house prices" argument is based on comparisions of places that have had a supermarket built (sort of a before and after thing)
I thought the "lul" in house price movement was a nationwide average, not a local issue? Mind you, i'm only a student :P
Look on the bright side Ben, If the house Price in Marple did go down due to a supermarket,when you start working you MIGHT be able to afford to live in Marple!
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This house devaluation issue. It puzzles me as it is usually the last resort of a Daily Mail reader. The next logical step would be for someone to argue that a supermarket on Hibbert Lane would encourage illegal immigrants ???
My quandary is this. Many people arguing against a supermarket want affordable housing in Marple instead. If a supermarket delivers this by other means is this not a good thing? Or is it a case of affordable housing being good unless it is my house that is rendered affordable, in which case it is bad?
The truth is actually that house prices are going nowhere (at best) for around 5 years according to most people in the know. Any supermarket in Marple would do very little to change that overall trend. We should of course all be rejoicing at this.
Scenario 1 - You go look at a house on a Sunday, the house is opposite a college which is closed on a Sunday, just occasional passing traffic can be heard. An open view over a empty car park & playing field with a church high up in the Background can be seen from the house.
Scenario 2 - You go to look at a house on a Sunday, when you get close to the house you get stuck in traffic. Upon arrival at the house you realise it is opposite a large Supermarket, next to a busy set of traffic lights. The view from the house is of a full car park and against the backdrop of Supermarket constructed from Breeze block & Grey cladding.
Which scenario would be the most appealing to a prospective house buyer ?
As they say Location! Location! Location!
Have many who were thinking about buying a house in Marple been put off because there was no Asda or Tesco?
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This house devaluation issue. It puzzles me as it is usually the last resort of a Daily Mail reader. The next logical step would be for someone to argue that a supermarket on Hibbert Lane would encourage illegal immigrants ???
My quandary is this. Many people arguing against a supermarket want affordable housing in Marple instead. If a supermarket delivers this by other means is this not a good thing? Or is it a case of affordable housing being good unless it is my house that is rendered affordable, in which case it is bad?
The truth is actually that house prices are going nowhere (at best) for around 5 years according to most people in the know. Any supermarket in Marple would do very little to change that overall trend. We should of course all be rejoicing at this.
Scenario 1 - You go look at a house on a Sunday, the house is opposite a college which is closed on a Sunday, just occasional passing traffic can be heard. An open view over a empty car park & playing field with a church high up in the Background can be seen from the house.
Scenario 2 - You go to look at a house on a Sunday, when you get close to the house you get stuck in traffic. Upon arrival at the house you realise it is opposite a large Supermarket, next to a busy set of traffic lights. The view from the house is of a full car park and against the backdrop of Supermarket constructed from Breeze block & Grey cladding.
Which scenario would be the most appealing to a prospective house buyer ?
As they say Location! Location! Location!
Have many who were thinking about buying a house in Marple been put off because there was no Asda or Tesco?
I'm impressed that you have seen the plans for the new supermarket Jethro. Please link us all up.
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This house devaluation issue. It puzzles me as it is usually the last resort of a Daily Mail reader. The next logical step would be for someone to argue that a supermarket on Hibbert Lane would encourage illegal immigrants ???
My quandary is this. Many people arguing against a supermarket want affordable housing in Marple instead. If a supermarket delivers this by other means is this not a good thing? Or is it a case of affordable housing being good unless it is my house that is rendered affordable, in which case it is bad?
The truth is actually that house prices are going nowhere (at best) for around 5 years according to most people in the know. Any supermarket in Marple would do very little to change that overall trend. We should of course all be rejoicing at this.
Scenario 1 - You go look at a house on a Sunday, the house is opposite a college which is closed on a Sunday, just occasional passing traffic can be heard. An open view over a empty car park & playing field with a church high up in the Background can be seen from the house.
Scenario 2 - You go to look at a house on a Sunday, when you get close to the house you get stuck in traffic. Upon arrival at the house you realise it is opposite a large Supermarket, next to a busy set of traffic lights. The view from the house is of a full car park and against the backdrop of Supermarket constructed from Breeze block & Grey cladding.
Which scenario would be the most appealing to a prospective house buyer ?
As they say Location! Location! Location!
Have many who were thinking about buying a house in Marple been put off because there was no Asda or Tesco?
I'm impressed that you have seen the plans for the new supermarket Jethro. Please link us all up.
Okay it maybe it will be designed by Norman Foster, but whatever the design it will still be a busy big supermarket with all the associated traffic, infrastructure weekend and late night openings etc.
So basically it would put people off buying a house in the vicinity and hence reduce house prices.
It's not rocket science!!
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It may not be rocket science, but it is NIMBYism. MIA can do better than that.
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I'm no MIA supporter (far from it!), but surely jethroh63 is right here - properties in the immediate vicinity of the Hibbert Lane campus (e.g. opposite on Hibbert Lane, or backing on to the site on Mount Drive) are likely to be more difficult to sell, and therefore vendors will probably have to drop the price (even more than everyone does at the moment :'(
However, properties a bit further up Hibbert Lane (Woodville Drive area, for example) may benefit, as potential buyers realise how convenient (and economical) it would be to be so close to a decent supermarket.
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Good points above from both HWL1973 and Dave.
I personally think house prices should come down in general but that is another debate. I know lots of people brought up in Marple who have had to move away but wanted to stay here. Houses should be places to live primarily and not investments; which is what has become to the detriment of many people.
But, I understand it must be a difficult prospect living in the vicinity of Hibbert Lane and facing possible negative equity etc. I can't help but think, though, this same issue, perhaps to a lesser extent, would apply if a supermarket was built on Chadwick Street; would those people (HL) object then or think, 'as long as it is not in my back yard'.
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It may not be rocket science, but it is NIMBYism. MIA can do better than that.
I'm not involved in the MIA, it is my view alone. Nothing to do with 'NIMBYism' it was in response to your comments about
House prices.
I am sure that you living on Elmfield Drive would have a different view if the Rose Hill site had not been selected as the site for the
new Primary School. For example if the council had decided to build the new school at the Peacefield Site and sell off the land at Rose Hill to Tesco's or Asda would you share the same view ?
You should have some empathy for the people who live near the proposed new supermarket and will be affected by this proposed supermarket and associated traffic etc etc.
The people living near Hibbert Lane in my opinion are not just worried about House prices, it is the effect it will have on their general quality of life.
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I'm no MIA supporter (far from it!), but surely jethroh63 is right here - properties in the immediate vicinity of the Hibbert Lane campus (e.g. opposite on Hibbert Lane, or backing on to the site on Mount Drive) are likely to be more difficult to sell, and therefore vendors will probably have to drop the price (even more than everyone does at the moment :'(
However, properties a bit further up Hibbert Lane (Woodville Drive area, for example) may benefit, as potential buyers realise how convenient (and economical) it would be to be so close to a decent supermarket.
It is often stated in Estate Agent language 'close to local shops and amenities'. I personally have never seen house details which say 'just around the corner from a large supermarket and busy road junction'. But I am not an estate agent !!
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''The people living near Hibbert Lane in my opinion are not just worried about House prices, it is the effect it will have on their general quality of life.''
I live facing the college. I have no reason to be worried about house prices because i am a council tenant and i am not worried about an effect on my quality of life. I would be happy to have a supermarket across the road and feel that it could only improve my life. It's obvious that many people along Hibbert lane are against it probably due to worrying about the value of their house. But i think more people will benefit from having a supermarket there than the amount of people that will lose value on their homes.
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Martyn, seriously, what was the point in that? Direct or indirect, there's no call for abuse. Either play nicely or go home.
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''The people living near Hibbert Lane in my opinion are not just worried about House prices, it is the effect it will have on their general quality of life.''
I live facing the college. I have no reason to be worried about house prices because i am a council tenant and i am not worried about an effect on my quality of life. I would be happy to have a supermarket across the road and feel that it could only improve my life. It's obvious that many people along Hibbert lane are against it probably due to worrying about the value of their house. But i think more people will benefit from having a supermarket there than the amount of people that will lose value on their homes.
If you were buying a house Sereena, I think you would be in a minority that would choose to buy directly opposite a supermarket by choice ( I may be wrong) , you may be a council tenant at the moment, but in the future, if you wanted to buy your house like many tenants do , you may be able to buy it cheaper, but what if you wanted to sell it, had to sell it etc, you may face problems :( .... ( I'm only speaking as friends and family I know have purchased the houses they rented )
I'm lucky, I have fields at the back of my house , and its a great selling point, but I know one of the houses up for sale on my road, the house is now up for either the same or less than they paid for it a few years back , the housing market is struggling , I would assume if a Tesco was on schedule to appeared at the back of my house, it would be really grim news for the owner selling their house :(
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I have no intention to buy a house in the future. Obviously i can understand why the people along Hibbert Lane would be worried but it would not change my opinion. Im obviously going to worry more about the fact that i am on a low income, paying off a load of debts and struggling to feed myself once i have given my daughter everything she needs rather than worrying about the neighbours losing out on money. I have to think about my family, and my family is happy weather there is a supermarket across the road or not.
I'm not going to but lets just say i did buy my council house, I would be paying the money to live here, i wouldn't want to sell up just because of a supermarket because once i am in my garden or my house then it has no effect on me.
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''The people living near Hibbert Lane in my opinion are not just worried about House prices, it is the effect it will have on their general quality of life.''
I live facing the college. I have no reason to be worried about house prices because i am a council tenant and i am not worried about an effect on my quality of life. I would be happy to have a supermarket across the road and feel that it could only improve my life. It's obvious that many people along Hibbert lane are against it probably due to worrying about the value of their house. But i think more people will benefit from having a supermarket there than the amount of people that will lose value on their homes.
If you were buying a house Sereena, I think you would be in a minority that would choose to buy directly opposite a supermarket by choice ( I may be wrong) , you may be a council tenant at the moment, but in the future, if you wanted to buy your house like many tenants do , you may be able to buy it cheaper, but what if you wanted to sell it, had to sell it etc, you may face problems :( .... ( I'm only speaking as friends and family I know have purchased the houses they rented )
I can see both points of view, Sareena's and the 'home owners'. A few things stand out to me though. Why does a home owner have more importance with concern of their house prices to Sareena's (and other people who live on HL and are YES) worries about low income and need for cheaper more conveinient shopping? Unless you have lived on the breadline, you may not understand this difficulty.
Sareena has as much right as anyone on HL to her views on a supermarket being there. Just because she rents rather than buys doesn't make her views less valid. Sure, she doesn't have the direct worries about negative equity etc. but those people may not have the worries over a low income. Sareena may well buy her home one day so it could affect her potentially just as a current home owner could end up on the breadline struggling to buy a weeks shop in Marple with no car etc.
I personally don't think house prices will be affected hugely. I think they should come down though in general. It's not fair that first time buyers cannot afford a house and people have to leave Marple. I don't think HL prices will go down that much as it is still in Marple and still a popular area. It would be interesting to see if house prices in Glossop etc. were affected by the Tesco or Hazel Grove with Sainsburys.
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I have no intention to buy a house in the future. Obviously i can understand why the people along Hibbert Lane would be worried but it would not change my opinion. I'm obviously going to worry more about the fact that i am on a low income, paying off a load of debts and struggling to feed myself once i have given my daughter everything she needs rather than worrying about the neighbours losing out on money. I have to think about my family, and my family is happy weather there is a supermarket across the road or not.
I'm not going to but lets just say i did buy my council house, I would be paying the money to live here, i wouldn't want to sell up just because of a supermarket because once i am in my garden or my house then it has no effect on me.
I do understand the points you make, and I agree with some of them , but often people do not sell their houses out of choice, they have to sell up because of job losses , family break ups , financial crisis etc . If my husband lost his job, we would be up the creek, no doubt about it, I myself work two jobs , the cost of living has increased, but wages increases do not reflect it .
At first, I honestly didn't mind what was built on the hibbert lane site, I work in one of the said supermarkets, a transfer to the Marple store,( if it ever gets built ) , I would be in " transfer heaven " , walking distance from my house, no car to run etc, it would be great ..BUT if it was in my back garden , I would hate it, I would be miffed, if the house we worked hard to pay for, the value depreciated because of a business that I could pay £ 3.00 for a home delivery for instead from a store a few miles down the road , appeared on my doorstep .
You could pay for a home delivery and still have money in your pocket in relation to doing your shop at the co op .
I'm waffling, I do see your point, but if we all look after ourselves , then no one is looking out for eachother in society, and that's a sad thing * sniff * :(
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Hi JMC, I do not think Sereenas points are less valid because she is a tennant, absolutely not , I think she has some very valid points ........... I dont think your point was directed at me ( but im not sure, hence the reply to you ) :)
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Hi JMC, I do not think Sereenas points are less valid because she is a tennant, absolutely not , I think she has some very valid points ........... I dont think your point was directed at me ( but im not sure, hence the reply to you ) :)
Hi Pink Panther, no my point wasn't directed at you-sorry if it looked that way though. It was just a general point :)
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You could pay for a home delivery and still have money in your pocket in relation to doing your shop at the co op .
I'm waffling, I do see your point, but if we all look after ourselves , then no one is looking out for eachother in society, and that's a sad thing * sniff * :(
Good post Pink Panther. I agree with both your points. I do my shopping online too on the whole (because it is cheaper than the Co-op mainly), although still use marple shops alot-including Co-op. I also agree that we should look out for each other. Society seems so selfish at times. If only there was a solution to this which pleased everyone ???
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I think this link was fantastic in it's own right ( not directed at the yes campaign ) I am going to use this at one of my many boring meetings it will hopefully be my Swan Song to be used as my parting shot! Best thing I have heard for a long time. I hope admin will allow you to post it somewhere so people can just hear it, as I think it says what a lot of us feel when listening to many politicians or are stuck in endless waffling meetings . FANTASTIC STUFF !
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I think this link was fantastic in it's own right ( not directed at the yes campaign ) I am going to use this at one of my many boring meetings it will hopefully be my Swan Song to be used as my parting shot! Best thing I have heard for a long time. I hope admin will allow you to post it somewhere so people can just hear it, as I think it says what a lot of us feel when listening to many politicians or are stuck in endless waffling meetings . FANTASTIC STUFF !
The way it was used is unacceptable and is likely to result in a ban. Please stay on topic.
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Today I needed to drive to the shops, but I had no change, so rather than run the risk of a penalty notice, I drove to one of the free car parks at a supermarket. The small minded attitude of this council is in my opinion to blame for the demise of many local shops with very high bussines rates and no relief on high rent. Is there any wonder that we have so many charity shops?
I watched the programme the other night about the downfall in local shopping areas it was so sad and reflected Marple's situation.
Traders, don't blame the supermarkets, blame the councillors and the parking charges
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You could pay for a home delivery and still have money in your pocket in relation to doing your shop at the co op .
I'm waffling, I do see your point, but if we all look after ourselves , then no one is looking out for eachother in society, and that's a sad thing * sniff * :(
Good post Pink Panther. I agree with both your points. I do my shopping online too on the whole (because it is cheaper than the Co-op mainly), although still use marple shops alot-including Co-op. I also agree that we should look out for each other. Society seems so selfish at times. If only there was a solution to this which pleased everyone ???
Hear, hear!
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You could pay for a home delivery and still have money in your pocket in relation to doing your shop at the co op .
I'm waffling, I do see your point, but if we all look after ourselves , then no one is looking out for eachother in society, and that's a sad thing * sniff * :(
Good post Pink Panther. I agree with both your points. I do my shopping online too on the whole (because it is cheaper than the Co-op mainly), although still use marple shops alot-including Co-op. I also agree that we should look out for each other. Society seems so selfish at times. If only there was a solution to this which pleased everyone ???
Hear, hear!
The thing is though not everyone can do a home delivery, I found that was said quite alot to me at the rally the other week, I DO a online shop, and it suits me fine, but not everyone can and what about the old people who don't need much but would need to spend £25+ £3-£6 delivery charge. Also people like to choose their own food to check the quality and check the best before dates, I have noticed with items I have purchased that the best before is usually the day after it was delivered so not practical for a weeks shop if you have to use everything within a day of buying it.
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The thing is though not everyone can do a home delivery, I found that was said quite alot to me at the rally the other week, I DO a online shop, and it suits me fine, but not everyone can and what about the old people who don't need much but would need to spend £25+ £3-£6 delivery charge. Also people like to choose their own food to check the quality and check the best before dates, I have noticed with items I have purchased that the best before is usually the day after it was delivered so not practical for a weeks shop if you have to use everything within a day of buying it.
That is a very good point Tina.
I do online too, mostly. It is a pain when they don't bring an item you are desperate for; say nappies/baby milk or substitute something with something weird and wonderful. Or give near mouldy fruit/veg. It also is quite alot- £5 ish usually- for delivery and the faffing about online doing the shop and trying to get a delivery slot that fits in with work etc. If you add that delivery cost up over a year it is alot of money. And, as you say, not everyone has internet access or a debit/credit card.
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Age UK set up Internet shopping for the elderly it works very well. Age UK takes the order and shops on line for the client or there is a shopping service whereby you can contact Age UK they undertake the shop and you pay them when they deliver.
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Age UK set up Internet shopping for the elderly it works very well. Age UK takes the order and shops on line for the client or there is a shopping service whereby you can contact Age UK they undertake the shop and you pay them when they deliver.
Not everyone can/will use age UK though. I'm not getting into a slanging match over it.
Online shopping does not suit all people. I know family members and friends who wont entertain it and why should they? They should have the same right to shop for themselves as the next person. To be able to do it for themselves they need the choice of where to shop, and if they can't drive or can but have no car then they are stuck with over priced items in Marple.
The shops already in Marple have survived already from many people not shopping local, they survive because they have a good reputation so people choose to shop there, just because a supermarket comes to town does not mean they will ditch the shops they already use. If you are saying they will then you have no faith in the Marple people.
Like I said I don't want a slanging match, I just see another side to the arguement.
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What's been a real eye opener for me whilst collecting signatures in Marple is the amount of elderly people who make full use of their bus passes and come to Marple from Ashton, Denton, Glossop, Hyde Mossley, New Mills and countless other places to shop in our local shops because as most of them say they no longer have independent shops such as ours due to large supermarkets moving into their area.
Going back to what I said about Age Uk they also offer a local shop service for people who can not get out to undertake their own shopping
Many local elderly people have their meat from the local butcher, bread from the bakers and the like so there is also a service whereby they can employ an agency to shop for them if they can not get to the shops. Via Direct Payments or via a Community Care Assessment all needs led but the provision is there.
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I agree Miss M, those services are great when they are provided; but don't you have to be in a critical risk group to recieve them? Social care (older people) is not as universal as health care. For many elderly they would have to pay themselves to have someone come in and do their shopping. Great for those who can afford it, or are lucky to recieve the help of volunteers, but for those who cannot they are left with Co-op etc. Hard work to access many shops if in a mobility scooter, for example.
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What's been a real eye opener for me whilst collecting signatures in Marple is the amount of elderly people who make full use of their bus passes and come to Marple from Ashton, Denton, Glossop, Hyde Mossley, New Mills and countless other places to shop in our local shops because as most of them say they no longer have independent shops such as ours due to large supermarkets moving into their area.
That's a very strange list of places, Miss M. New Mills I can understand. It's been wrecked as a shopping centre, not by any supermarket in New Mills, of course, but by one in Whaley Bridge. That's where New Mills people shop nowadays, just as so many Marple people shop in Bredbury and Hazel Grove.
But I can't understand why anyone would regard Marple as having a better range of independent shops than Glossop. Glossop (which has a big, Tesco, of course) has an excellent range of local shops - a lot better than Marple - and is a model for what I believe we can expect if a big supermarket comes here.
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It is correct that people come from other areas. They say they like the shops and the ambience.Some consider Marple a morning or afternoon out.Many people like to visit the park or the canal or have lunch or a coffee while they are here.The compactness of the shopping area has been mentioned quite a lot.
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I agree. And no doubt even more will come when we have a decent supermarket. And of course, Marple residents will at last shop in Marple instead of going somewhere else. Who knows, we might even end up with as good a selection of independent shops as Glossop! :)
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What's been a real eye opener for me whilst collecting signatures in Marple is the amount of elderly people who make full use of their bus passes and come to Marple from Ashton, Denton, Gloss op, Hyde Mosley, New Mills and countless other places to shop in our local shops because as most of them say they no longer have independent shops such as ours due to large supermarkets moving into their area.
Going back to what I said about Age UK they also offer a local shop service for people who can not get out to undertake their own shopping
Many local elderly people have their meat from the local butcher, bread from the bakers and the like so there is also a service whereby they can employ an agency to shop for them if they can not get to the shops. Via Direct Payments or via a Community Care Assessment all needs led but the provision is there.
Sorry not having this one to get from by bus .denton three buses about hour tree quarters Mosley at least two ashton two buss es . why they should come all that way for when they have better shops than we do .
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They don't all come by bus obviously,some come by car and train.Blakely,Harperhey,Abbey hey and Salford. I have a long list in my research. Want anymore??
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Come on Mrs O, pull the other one! People are driving from Harpurhey to Marple just to do their shopping.....? ;D ;D ;D
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What's been a real eye opener for me whilst collecting signatures in Marple is the amount of elderly people who make full use of their bus passes and come to Marple from Ashton, Denton, Glossop, Hyde Mossley, New Mills and countless other places to shop in our local shops because as most of them say they no longer have independent shops such as ours due to large supermarkets moving into their area.
A bit galling that people who (a) don't live in Marple; (b) have the time to saunter round the small shops at leisure during the day should be signing a petition opposing the wishes of many who DO live in Marple and who work all day, only to come home and find that the only shop open is the Co-op.
I can't imagine interfering with the development of Ashton, Denton, Glossop, Hyde, New Mills etc - their daily life is none of my business. I'm slightly irritated that they should be signing petitions about development in Marple.
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Ah I see, there should be a qualifier on the petition then:
" By signing this petition , you hereby confirm the following:
1. I am in full time employment and not just an idle pensioner using my free bus pass to incite trouble in small towns
2. I am a resident of Marple (not Mellor, High Lane, Strines or Compstall either)
3. I would only ever sign any petitions that relate to exactly the area I live in and no more "
What nonsense
Perhaps the fact that they are coming to Marple tells us something about the quality of life here.
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I think, Moorendman, that you miss the point - you may believe that it is reasonable that you might interfere in Ashton or Glossop - I don't.
Of course the residents of Mellor, Strines and Compstall shop locally - that is why there are so many shops left in those places.
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What's been a real eye opener for me whilst collecting signatures in Marple is the amount of elderly people who make full use of their bus passes and come to Marple from Ashton, Denton, Glossop, Hyde Mossley, New Mills and countless other places to shop in our local shops because as most of them say they no longer have independent shops such as ours due to large supermarkets moving into their area.
A bit galling that people who (a) don't live in Marple; (b) have the time to saunter round the small shops at leisure during the day should be signing a petition opposing the wishes of many who DO live in Marple and who work all day, only to come home and find that the only shop open is the Co-op.
I can't imagine interfering with the development of Ashton, Denton, Glossop, Hyde, New Mills etc - their daily life is none of my business. I'm slightly irritated that they should be signing petitions about development in Marple.
The above towns also Blakely,Harperhey,Abbey hey and Salford. Were given in response to market research. I have no idea wether they signed the petition ::)
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lol lol :D. The people who I am speaking about came on a barge and LOVED our local shops. The others came from Hyde on the bus and Ashton and guess what they Loved our local shops. Oh I can see I am going to have to stop partying and get home earlier to join in this debate lol !
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perhaps you are right about outsiders not interfering in the affairs of other towns and places. I may be persuaded to adopt this point of view if I saw that others were no longer involving themselves in and making decisions about our "daily life" in Marple. Outsiders such as:
- The Board of Directors of Asda, Tesco or whatever supermarket may be planning to develop Hibbert Lane.
- Walsingham Planning who are working with Stockport MBC and whoever to overcome " planning problems".
- Christina Cassidy and other members of the managment team at the college who don't live in the area.
- Stockport Councillors and officials who don't live in or represent Marple.
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Hollins
perhaps you are right about outsiders not interfering in the affairs of other towns and places. I may be persuaded to adopt this point of view if I saw that others were no longer involving themselves in and making decisions about our "daily life" in Marple. Outsiders such as:
- The Board of Directors of Asda, Tesco or whatever supermarket may be planning to develop Hibbert Lane.
- Walsingham Planning who are working with Stockport MBC and whoever to overcome " planning problems".
- Christina Cassidy and other members of the managment team at the college who don't live in the area.
- Stockport Councillors and officials who don't live in or represent Marple.
Excellent post, moorendman.
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Following big demand (especially from those who loved our old posters so much they took them down to take home with them) here is the Yes campaign's new poster . . .
drumroll . . .
http://www.facebook.com/yesmarple#!/photo.php?fbid=274784275876971&set=a.258207964201269.64152.256280167727382&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/yesmarple#!/photo.php?fbid=274784275876971&set=a.258207964201269.64152.256280167727382&type=1&theater)
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Oh yes that's better and gives a clear message !
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Oh yes that's better and gives a clear message !
Thanks, it was especially for you and Belle Star actually! See, we do listen ;)
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Hollins
perhaps you are right about outsiders not interfering in the affairs of other towns and places. I may be persuaded to adopt this point of view if I saw that others were no longer involving themselves in and making decisions about our "daily life" in Marple. Outsiders such as:
- The Board of Directors of Asda, Tesco or whatever supermarket may be planning to develop Hibbert Lane.
- Walsingham Planning who are working with Stockport MBC and whoever to overcome " planning problems".
- Christina Cassidy and other members of the managment team at the college who don't live in the area.
- Stockport Councillors and officials who don't live in or represent Marple.
- People from Moor End
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Oh yes that's better and gives a clear message !
Thanks, it was especially for you and Belle Star actually! See, we do listen ;)
Thank you kindly! ;D
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Funnily I popped over to Hyde last week (my parents live there) and thought to do a bit of shopping whilst out. The car park in Hyde now charges 50p for half an hour, so there was no time to do anything. I refused to pay the massive extra amount to add another hour. So, the option was to park at Morrisons for free - and did the shopping there. Not a bit Morrison fan, but it did the job. And it was cheaper than the local shops. If Stockport put up car park fees, the exact same thing will happen here...
I'm not particularly in favour of the supermarket here, but I can see what will happen. Hyde is already deserted......
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Funnily I popped over to Hyde last week (my parents live there) and thought to do a bit of shopping whilst out. The car park in Hyde now charges 50p for half an hour, so there was no time to do anything. I refused to pay the massive extra amount to add another hour. So, the option was to park at Morrisons for free - and did the shopping there. Not a bit Morrison fan, but it did the job. And it was cheaper than the local shops. If Stockport put up car park fees, the exact same thing will happen here...
I'm not particularly in favour of the supermarket here, but I can see what will happen. Hyde is already deserted......
I'm not sure it is possible to stop the decline of local high streets as they are, though. Customers will go where is cheapest if they have a choice (not always but in many cases). Especially in the recession. Also, there is the lack of time with many more mothers back at work, more people with 2 cars per family enabling them to go further afield, internet shopping (this is a huge one) etc.
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I confess to being a closet internet shopper. Sainsbug delivers regularly, and it saves me time and fuel, even with the delivery fee. Most times they send what I want, and I'll deal with them for everything apart from perishable stuffs.
I like to shop local when I can, but the odd opening hours of some shops makes it hard. I use Lofthouse Butchers in Compstall, but didn't the other day, as I drove past and they were closed for lunch. I appreciate they need to have lunch, but it's not easy when I'm on a one trip outing.
There's no easy answer is there ?
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having spoken to one young lady admin/whatever of the facebook yes group she has made up her mind about wanting a tesco/asda etc.i gave her my point of veiw and she was very polite and understanding to which i think (i may be wrong) i won the case,the point im getting at is belittleing them will only make them stand firm in favour.
its a bit like telling teenagers not to smoke they will then do it because you told them not to,not because they wanted to.
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having spoken to one young lady admin/whatever of the facebook yes group she has made up her mind about wanting a tesco/asda etc.i gave her my point of veiw and she was very polite and understanding to which i think (i may be wrong) i won the case,the point im getting at is belittleing them will only make them stand firm in favour.
its a bit like telling teenagers not to smoke they will then do it because you told them not to,not because they wanted to.
rotten john, I demand proof of this conversation. Were minutes taken? ;)
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having spoken to one young lady admin/whatever of the facebook yes group she has made up her mind about wanting a tesco/asda etc.i gave her my point of veiw and she was very polite and understanding to which i think (i may be wrong) i won the case,the point im getting at is belittleing them will only make them stand firm in favour.
its a bit like telling teenagers not to smoke they will then do it because you told them not to,not because they wanted to.
rotten john, I demand proof of this conversation. Were minutes taken? ;)
ello boss wow that didnt take you long i aint got the minutes at hand but your welcome for any new ones lol
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having spoken to one young lady admin/whatever of the facebook yes group she has made up her mind about wanting a tesco/asda etc.i gave her my point of veiw and she was very polite and understanding to which i think (i may be wrong) i won the case,the point im getting at is belittleing them will only make them stand firm in favour.
its a bit like telling teenagers not to smoke they will then do it because you told them not to,not because they wanted to.
a bit patronising rotten john - I'm presuming you are very old ;) ;D
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not ment to be m8 sorry- its probably my bad education (or the lack of interest in it on my behalf) that it reads wrong.........what it means is that if you yes campainers are insulted etc it will only make you dig your heals in !
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me old !!! never ;)
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not ment to be m8 sorry- its probably my bad education (or the lack of interest in it on my behalf) that it reads wrong.........what it means is that if you yes campainers are insulted etc it will only make you dig your heals in !
Works both ways John, and yes I agree with you on that.
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Point taken - me too ;)
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Point taken - me too ;)
Me too lol
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I'm pleased you've sorted that potential spat out between yourselves, thank you.
Enough "me too's" though. Please stay polite and try to get back on topic.