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Title: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: marpudlian on July 29, 2011, 11:42:41 PM
A new Tesco will be a benefit to Marple. It will bring more people to our town, jobs will be created, and most importantly, the near-monopoly that the Co-op currently enjoys will be ended.
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: NeilCorrie on July 30, 2011, 12:01:31 AM
A new Tesco will be a benefit to Marple. It will bring more people to our town, jobs will be created, and most importantly, the near-monopoly that the Co-op currently enjoys will be ended.

If Tesco did get their way, and it somehow resulted in benefitting Marple I'll be both amazed and delighted.

Our friends in nearby market town Stalybridge didn't see it turn out that way (http://tamesidecitizen.blogspot.com/2010/06/sad-state-of-stalybridge-town-centre.html).

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JL_Z4awEAic/TCpJB8gNoMI/AAAAAAAAC0Y/XkfnERTdhs8/s1600/Stalybridge+Town+Centre.jpg) (http://tamesidecitizen.blogspot.com/2010/06/sad-state-of-stalybridge-town-centre.html)

And as if that wasn't bad enough, Tesco then wanted to make the store even bigger and build a multi-storey car park (http://web.archive.org/web/20080915235305/http://www.tamesidereporter.com/fullstory.php?ID=580), some quotes from that meeting below.

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Cllr Eileen Shorrock warned that Tesco would ‘know which boxes to tick’ in order to force through their plans and beseeched the audience to “make enough of an outcry to make sure it doesn’t matter, how many boxes they tick.”

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Not one person spoke in support of Tesco while a barrage of complaints about Tesco’s influence on rubbish, traffic congestion, parking spaces and the rapid decline of the independent retailer in Stalybridge were all put forward.

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"I lost my job the first time their plans were passed in 2000 and now due to the fact that I live opposite the present car park, I stand to lose my view across to the canal and possibly a lot of money in the value of my home. Tesco can not be allowed to do this to me and Stalybridge.”
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: JMC on July 30, 2011, 10:50:41 AM
'the near-monopoly that the Co-op currently enjoys will be ended. '

I think this is a key point. All the people who I spoke to in favour of a new Tesco mentioned this. What are the co-op doing with the Hanbury's site for example. It's not doing them any favours. It's actually a strong argument for Tesco if they sense people are fed up of the Co-op. People are struggling and low prices may swing it in some people's eyes. So any arguement to convince more people needs to address the key concern of people's apathy with the Co-op. The Co-op could do something too but i doubt it somehow.
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: Maria on July 30, 2011, 08:27:06 PM
I live on Hibbert Lane and I am completely against a supermarket such as Tesco being built on the college grounds-I do however see your point on co-op having the monopoly in Marple-Surely pressure should be put on co-op to release the Hanburys site and have a Tesco/Sainsburys convenience store instead of a god awful superstore.

Mike
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: Susan on July 30, 2011, 08:50:16 PM
That picture of Stalybridge is out of date i am afraid, there is new shops opening down that street. I think that Tesco will be good for marple, fair enough i live in Dukinfield, but my mum and dad do live near the college.  It will bring jobs in to marple, and also might give the coop a run for there money.
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: Cyberman on July 31, 2011, 12:19:54 AM
I think people who believe that a new superstore will create jobs will be in for a shock. Yes the store itself will create jobs, the majority being low paid, part time and with little security. Balanced against that will be the loss or reasonably paid jobs as local businesses close. Supermarkets may claim to create jobs and provide an anchor for local shops but in reality this is not the case. Wealth will be sucked out of the area, away from local shopowners into the pockets of Tesco shareholders. The New Economics Foundation has some telling articles - please read them!

http://www.neweconomics.org/blog/2010/01/07/why-tescos-arithmetic-doesnt-add-up (http://www.neweconomics.org/blog/2010/01/07/why-tescos-arithmetic-doesnt-add-up)
http://www.neweconomics.org/blog/2010/10/13/the-truth-about-tescos-anchor-claims (http://www.neweconomics.org/blog/2010/10/13/the-truth-about-tescos-anchor-claims)
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: moonforest on July 31, 2011, 05:47:02 AM
That picture of Stalybridge is out of date i am afraid, there is new shops opening down that street. I think that Tesco will be good for marple, fair enough i live in Dukinfield, but my mum and dad do live near the college.  It will bring jobs in to marple, and also might give the coop a run for there money.



It would be interesting to know how long the Stalybridge precinct has looked like in the picture before any new shops attempted to open, how many shops have opened and............how long will they survive?

It's hard to imagine Market Street and Derby Way looking like that picture and it would be heartbreaking if we ended up with our shopping precinct in that state. But, of course, by the time it did it would be too late to do anything about it. No debate, no discussion and no going back!

Just a thought.....how much crime and vandalism would a deserted precinct like that attract, to add to our woes?


Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: moonforest on July 31, 2011, 06:00:37 AM
A new Tesco will be a benefit to Marple. It will bring more people to our town, jobs will be created, and most importantly, the near-monopoly that the Co-op currently enjoys will be ended.

The fat wallets at Tesco will have done their homework and they don't give a flying fig about the impact on our town and community....you can be sure of that. This thing would attract people from all the surrounding areas, at all hours. We're already living with serious traffic issues and the situation would deteriorate very quickly with a big store like that in such a central location.
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: Smithy166 on July 31, 2011, 03:18:13 PM
A new Tesco will be a benefit to Marple. It will bring more people to our town, jobs will be created, and most importantly, the near-monopoly that the Co-op currently enjoys will be ended.
I'm sorry, but I strongly dissagree with your point.

Sure, it will bring more people to our town, but those people will simply shop at the tesco, then leave. Clogging up the already fit-to-bursting road network.

I can agree that jobs will be created, but those jobs are A. dead end and B. either minimum wage or near minium wage.

Although your final point that the Co-op has almost total control of shopping in marple is a correct. If however, we can convince the co-op to sell one of their sites to another supermarket then we will blow tescos argument of "monopoly" clean out of the water.
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: acoustician on August 01, 2011, 11:28:54 AM
Has anyone contacted the co-op? A bit difficult at this stage as unclear of what to ask them.

Surely its ultimately in their interests to have a smaller store, albeit nearer, than an all encompassing superstore 5 minutes away.

Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: Miss Marple on August 01, 2011, 11:34:22 AM
Has anyone contacted the co-op? A bit difficult at this stage as unclear of what to ask them.

Surely its ultimately in their interests to have a smaller store, albeit nearer, than an all encompassing superstore 5 minutes away.


yes I have and have invited them to meeting
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: Maria on August 01, 2011, 12:54:05 PM
Miss Marple are there any other meetings arranged to discuss this further?

I attended the meeting in the park but think a general meeting to discuss who can write to who, and sort out groups to tackle the issues may be useful-better than us all acting independently?

Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: RWW on August 01, 2011, 03:36:35 PM
A new Tesco will be a benefit to Marple. It will bring more people to our town, jobs will be created, and most importantly, the near-monopoly that the Co-op currently enjoys will be ended.

Do you work for them?
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: Smithy166 on August 01, 2011, 04:07:28 PM
Miss Marple are there any other meetings arranged to discuss this further?

I attended the meeting in the park but think a general meeting to discuss who can write to who, and sort out groups to tackle the issues may be useful-better than us all acting independently?


I second that.
But more than just "who can write to who", I think we really should get organised, so, for example, have a team for publication design+manufacture. A team for PR (dealing with the press), a team for distribution of leaflets and publications, along with a team of people who could act as "MAR" reps in case of a high level meeting with the college. A team of people who have some form of legal knowledge would also be useful.
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: Maria on August 01, 2011, 04:34:32 PM
Smithy166-my point exactly! Needs a constructive approach if we are to even have half a chance. 
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: rotten john on August 01, 2011, 08:48:44 PM
i am not the only one that dosnt want ANYTHING building on that land,they baught it as a collage/school if they cant run it as sutch then sell it on to a different collage/academy ? and the people/councillors should be telling them this,we shouldnt be disscussing what they can build or sell etc etc
we dont need/want anymore housing in marple we dont need anymore facts for that point just look at howmany houses are for sale in the area!.
we dont need or want another superstore in marple,i personally shop at the coop and iceland and the other smaller retailers,i dont care if asda/tesco will offer me cheeper food if it means building on hibbert lane i will pay the extra ty
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: marpudlian on August 01, 2011, 11:23:06 PM
A new Tesco will be a benefit to Marple. It will bring more people to our town, jobs will be created, and most importantly, the near-monopoly that the Co-op currently enjoys will be ended.

Do you work for them?

No I don't, although I did apply for a job at the one in Stockport a few years ago and even did a trial but never heard back from them!

I currently work in the centre of Marple.
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: Prucilla on August 03, 2011, 12:35:32 PM
I see the opening of another supermarket in Marple as a positive step. Some competition for the Co-op is definitely needed. It will create jobs and bring more people to Marple who will visit other shops in Marple. We currently shop at Tesco in Whaley Bridge and often walk into the village for a coffee and to the butchers/bakers/petshop. Marple has already suffered many retail businesses closing down this could provide an opportunity for new and existing businesses to flourish.
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: sgk on August 03, 2011, 01:37:28 PM
I see the opening of another supermarket in Marple as a positive step. Some competition for the Co-op is definitely needed.
Agreed.

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It will create jobs
Don't believe the hype.  This line gets trotted out time and time again and supermarkets thrive on it.  Have a look around at articles discussing supermarket effect on local jobs (a few example articles below) and see whether you still believe.


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....and bring more people to Marple who will visit other shops in Marple.
Unlikely.  Free car park with a huge supermarket next door.  People will just use the supermarket.  See nearby Hyde or Stalybridge for examples.

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We currently shop at Tesco in Whaley Bridge and often walk into the village for a coffee and to the butchers/bakers/petshop.
Refreshingly unusual behaviour !  Dearly wish more folk shopped like this.

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Marple has already suffered many retail businesses closing down this could provide an opportunity for new and existing businesses to flourish.
Unlikely.  See articles above which pretty much shatter this myth.
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: moorendman on August 03, 2011, 10:13:59 PM
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Marple has already suffered many retail businesses closing down this could provide an opportunity for new and existing businesses to flourish.

Try to think like a business person! In these very difficult times for small independent retail shops, why would anyone take on a shop/unit in marple with this situation hanging over the place? No one is going to do this unless they are deluded.
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: Duke Fame on August 03, 2011, 10:22:12 PM
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Marple has already suffered many retail businesses closing down this could provide an opportunity for new and existing businesses to flourish.

Try to think like a business person! In these very difficult times for small independent retail shops, why would anyone take on a shop/unit in marple with this situation hanging over the place? No one is going to do this unless they are deluded.

As it happens, someone has taken the plunge and taken the old Local (part of the old Threshers group) shop. I suspect they got it for a song, I'd made enquiries and although the landlord was recovering monies from the receivers, half the asking price seemed possible.
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: moorendman on August 04, 2011, 09:28:53 AM
Yes, come to think of it you are right. I think It will be another indian takeaway - Tesco's are working on that niche too, but they havent quite got there yet.

The question is also begged, why did Threshers close anyway. Could it be possible that cheap supermarket wine offers ( 5-10% off six bottles ) contributed significantly to the demise of several high street wine outlet chains?
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: Taurus on August 04, 2011, 10:03:35 AM
Yes, come to think of it you are right. I think It will be another indian takeaway - Tesco's are working on that niche too, but they havent quite got there yet.

The question is also begged, why did Threshers close anyway. Could it be possible that cheap supermarket wine offers ( 5-10% off six bottles ) contributed significantly to the demise of several high street wine outlet chains?

The Local probably closed due to frequent break ins and they never invested in metal shutters. I see that the new owners have invested in a big green metal shutter.
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: moorendman on August 04, 2011, 10:27:44 AM
The local closed because the whole chain went bust not because a few local scallies broke in. The effect of the supermarkets buying and selling power and it's consequences for the high street are well documented:

http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/business-news/latest-business-news/2010/11/06/supermarket-effect-puts-the-squeeze-on-off-licences-51140-27610239/

and thats just the chains, the local independent has even less hope WITHOUT significant local support from consumers.
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: Duke Fame on August 04, 2011, 10:27:54 AM
Yes, come to think of it you are right. I think It will be another indian takeaway - Tesco's are working on that niche too, but they havent quite got there yet.

The question is also begged, why did Threshers close anyway. Could it be possible that cheap supermarket wine offers ( 5-10% off six bottles ) contributed significantly to the demise of several high street wine outlet chains?

The Local probably closed due to frequent break ins and they never invested in metal shutters. I see that the new owners have invested in a big green metal shutter.

No, the Local was part of Threshers group which went bump 2 years ago.

Moorendman is right, it suffered as it didn't compete with supermarkets. It's big problem is it borrowed to buy other failing off-licencees and was stuck with a huge portfolio of off-licence outlets which weren't performing.

Cheap supermarket booze didn't help but Bargain Booze seems to thrive.

The old local is going to be a conveience store I believe.
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: moorendman on August 04, 2011, 10:47:08 AM
Ah yes , Bargain Booze............... the iconic alliterative name for Barbaric Britain. They say that cockroaches would survice a nuclear strike too.
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: Duke Fame on August 04, 2011, 11:23:43 AM
Ah yes , Bargain Booze............... the iconic alliterative name for Barbaric Britain. They say that cockroaches would survice a nuclear strike too.

But Marple's little store does very well. It's a similar price to Threshers once was with decent wines but it's all about perception. People think they are getting a bargain - it's in hte name!
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: amazon on August 04, 2011, 02:23:22 PM
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Marple has already suffered many retail businesses closing down this could provide an opportunity for new and existing businesses to flourish.

Try to think like a business person! In these very difficult times for small independent retail shops, why would anyone take on a shop/unit in marple with this situation hanging over the place? No one is going to do this unless they are deluded.
           No one will take one on because i suspect the rent and rates are to high why are there shops empty now
            who owns most of the shops on the precinct .
Title: Re: Tesco will be good for Marple
Post by: Duke Fame on August 04, 2011, 03:24:07 PM
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Marple has already suffered many retail businesses closing down this could provide an opportunity for new and existing businesses to flourish.

Try to think like a business person! In these very difficult times for small independent retail shops, why would anyone take on a shop/unit in marple with this situation hanging over the place? No one is going to do this unless they are deluded.
           No one will take one on because i suspect the rent and rates are to high why are there shops empty now
            who owns most of the shops on the precinct .


i believe the Dentist owns a couple, the Jeweller another couple of units. Not sure who owns the old pound shop. But yes, they are asking  rent that cannot easily be met by takings. Rates are dear too.  I think the old pound shop is £10k a year rent with £2.5k rates.

That means a retailer needs to sell around £25k of his wares just to cover rent & rates before he even puts a light on, heats the place or thinks about paying himself or any member of staff.

Yes, it's greed from landlords & local government (set by central government)