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Archive => Archived Boards => Local Issues => Topic started by: marpudlian on April 08, 2011, 08:24:32 PM
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Since Peacefield Primary School was bulldozed a couple of years ago, the site has remained vacant. I have heard that the intention was to build a row of houses at the front of the plot and turn the field into allotments as housing wasn't permitted to be built as the field is the site of an old graveyard (is this the reason for the name Peacefield?). Is there any news on what is happening here?
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Since Peacefield Primary School was bulldozed a couple of years ago, the site has remained vacant. I have heard that the intention was to build a row of houses at the front of the plot and turn the field into allotments as housing wasn't permitted to be built as the field is the site of an old graveyard (is this the reason for the name Peacefield?). Is there any news on what is happening here?
I suspect it's only being held up due to recession. As the economy recovers, although prices will not be rocketing anytime soon, a developer will have the confidence to build on the site. AS mentioned elsewhere, something being built is better than a wasteland.
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It would be interesting to know if Peacefield School was sited on an old Grave Yard. Around eleven years ago I was interested in purchasing The Manse ( the house of a clergyman ) which is near Peacefield school it was connected to a church but I have no idea which church it was, and it may well have been near to The Manse and demolished prior to the housing development. Any idea how to find this information out? Maybe on an ordnance server map maybe ? Any ideas ?
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Have a look at the Cheshire Tithe maps, a fantastic resource here:
http://maps.cheshire.gov.uk/tithemaps/TwinMaps.aspx
I can't see any evidence of a graveyard or church though, all the fields are recorded as pasture.
Where exactly is / was the Manse? I have never heard of that house and cannot locate it on any of the old maps at the moment.
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The Manse is still there, it's a large semi on three floors. If you turn into Cross Lane from Stockport Rd it's on your right as you walk down, before the first turning onto the Rose Hill estate, the gate post has the Manse On it. I didn't go ahead with the purchase because at that time there was a huge tree at the side of the house and the report from the tree people concerned me regarding a possible heave to the house should the tree die which would have been seen as an act of god by the insurance company. The conditions in the deeds were quite strict, I had to meet with my solicitor whilst he read out the conditions which ranged from no gambling in or on the property to not using the property for prostitution or the like, the list of not to do's was never ending.the list of what we could do was to use it as a place of worship.
The strange thing was that I went on to purchase a house on Bradshaws land (site of Marple Hall) and the deeds are the complete opposite. The deeds for that house was that it could be used for whatever as long as it was not used as a place of worship in any form. It's a strange old Marple isn't it :o
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The Manse on Cross Lane belonged to the Methodist Chapel on Church Lane until about 1966, it was the home of the Vicar. It seems it needed a lot of work doing on to the property so they sold it and the vicar's moved to Stiles Avenue. Ray
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The Manse on Cross Lane belonged to the Methodist Chapel on Church Lane until about 1966, it was the home of the Vicar. It seems it needed a lot of work doing on to the property so they sold it and the vicar's moved to Stiles Avenue. Ray
Thanks for that Ray, but the mystery still remains about the graveyard. Or given the location of the Manse to the Methodist Chapel it could be that the graveyard was in their parish ? Just a thought ?
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When I was at Peacefield Primary School many years ago the headteacher told everyone in an assembly that the school may be haunted because it was next to a grave yard, and on another occasion said that the school wasn't allowed to build a fence across the field to separate the school from the college, and I have been told a couple of times over the last couple of years that there were plans for the field to be turned into allotments as houses weren't allowed to be built there as it was the sight of an old graveyard. I have also read about the plans for allotments, I thought it was on here but I searched the forums and nothing comes up. Must have been in the paper.
Does anyone know the origin of the name Peacefield?
Is there anything legally stopping houses being build on old graveyards?
And was there ever a church on Cross Lane/surrounding area and if not could there still have been a graveyard?
Is it common for grave yards to just be turned back into fields? ???
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It would be interesting to know if Peacefield School was sited on an old Grave Yard. Around eleven years ago I was interested in purchasing The Manse ( the house of a clergyman ) which is near Peacefield school it was connected to a church but I have no idea which church it was, and it may well have been near to The Manse and demolished prior to the housing development. Any idea how to find this information out? Maybe on an ordnance server map maybe ? Any ideas ?
The Manse (a large Victorian/Edwardian semi-detached house on Cross Lane) was the home of the Methodist Minister - not sure if it was Trinity Mothodist Chapel on Market Street (Where Iceland is now) or the Grove Methodist Chapel on Church Lane but think it was the latter. I was at Primary School with the Minister's daughter, Rosalind(?). It's unlikely that the grave yard if it was there had any connection with the Manse as it must have pre-dated the Manse by a good period.
I go back to the 1950s and don't remember any churches in the vicinity or any oral history involving one. I can't find anything on the Stockport website or on Google. I'm pretty certain that Cross Lane would be in the Parish of All Saints which had it's own graveyard.
I remember Peacefield school being built - think it was just a field before that.
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I remember Peacefield school being built - think it was just a field before that.
I'm convinced that Henrietta is correct:
The 1836-51 Tithe maps show the land was pasture and meadow. The 3 fields that correspond were called Middle Field (plot 404) Further Field (plot 405) and Turf Ley Piece (plot 400). Plots 404 and 405 were owned by Mary Stephenson and plot 400 by Thomas Brindley. (note the name Piece morphs to Peace very easily).
Peace Farm (also known as The Place) was on the site of Texaco Garage and could be another link to the name.
The 1875 and 1910 OS maps show that they were still nothing but fields then. Interestingly the 1910 map shows the Manse but the 1875 doesn't, giving you a time period when it was built. I don't believe there was a graveyard as there is no evidence for this what-so-ever, but if there was it was long gone by 1836!
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I thought that graveyards could be built on anyway after a hundred years if no relatives visit or is that wrong ?
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I think its only 70 years.
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It seems unbelievable that houses can be built on a graveyard however old it is. :o
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The Gardeners Arms car park in Offerton was once a grave yard, or so I have been told by a old local resident of Offerton !
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The car park behind the pound shop in the grove (A6) is an old grave yard. It still has some grave stones in there at the top end!
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The Gardeners Arms car park in Offerton was once a grave yard, or so I have been told by a old local resident of Offerton !
And I can remember the kerfuffle years ago when Norbury church wanted to level some of it's graveyard to make a car park. The graveyard was closed so they were allowed to do so. There aren't many churches in the area that still have open graveyards and a lot of churches have extentions built on what would at one time have been part of the graveyard so building on them can't be illegal.
Very old graveyards are an interesting source of social history but otherwise I can't see that any of the late occupants are going to complain about a change of use.
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its pretty bad that they can build on a grave yard when you consider how much they charge for a grave i remember being at woodville school for girls and being told that the school was built on a convent and graveyard
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its pretty bad that they can build on a grave yard when you consider how much they charge for a grave i remember being at woodville school for girls and being told that the school was built on a convent and graveyard
Not true. It was agricultural land.
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While I'm sure the eventual idea will be to squeeze it full of as many houses as possible, the Peacefield site would actually be perfect for a small park or playground. It's a long way over to Memorial Park for any kids or families from this side of Marple, probably too far to walk, and there aren't really any other open spaces nearby on this side of Marple (apart from Middlewood Way)...
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While I'm sure the eventual idea will be to squeeze it full of as many houses as possible, the Peacefield site would actually be perfect for a small park or playground. It's a long way over to Memorial Park for any kids or families from this side of Marple, probably too far to walk, and there aren't really any other open spaces nearby on this side of Marple (apart from Middlewood Way)...
The Memorial Park is less than a mile away! :o There is also the field at the bottom of Wood Lane.
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Nice thought 'rsh' since the loss of the park on Rose Lane and Carver Road but I'm sure it would be not only rejected by locals due to youths abusing it and causing a nuisance in the late hours and also cuts to local councils.... in an ideal world eh! :-\
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The small park behind the Dale Primary School and the park in Hawk Green don't seem to be overrun with youths in the evening.
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its pretty bad that they can build on a grave yard when you consider how much they charge for a grave i remember being at woodville school for girls and being told that the school was built on a convent and graveyard
Not true. This is another (sub)urban legend similar to the Peacefield one.
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While I'm sure the eventual idea will be to squeeze it full of as many houses as possible, the Peacefield site would actually be perfect for a small park or playground. It's a long way over to Memorial Park for any kids or families from this side of Marple, probably too far to walk, and there aren't really any other open spaces nearby on this side of Marple (apart from Middlewood Way)...
But most if not all houses suitable for young families in the area have gardens
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its pretty bad that they can build on a grave yard when you consider how much they charge for a grave i remember being at woodville school for girls and being told that the school was built on a convent and graveyard
Not true. This is another (sub)urban legend similar to the Peacefield one.
I suspect this confusion has arisen because there was a convent established in Marple Bridge around the turn of the 19th/20th century. It may have had its own burial ground because many of these houses did. The house is long since demolished. It was on Hollins Lane and was occupied by a teaching order of nuns so may have had some connection with the old Catholic primary school hence the conflation with Peacefield and Woodville
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I've heard that plans are in for Stockport Homes to build housing on the Peacefield site but cannot locate the plans in the Stockport planning Portal at the moment.
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Does this help?
http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/documents/s1919/Exec%20Report%20-%20Affordable%20Homes%20Framework.pdf (http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/documents/s1919/Exec%20Report%20-%20Affordable%20Homes%20Framework.pdf)
See item 5.4 - pages 9,10
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See also:
http://stockport-consult.limehouse.co.uk/portal/allocationsdpd/issuesandoptions?pointId=s1307970874632 (http://stockport-consult.limehouse.co.uk/portal/allocationsdpd/issuesandoptions?pointId=s1307970874632)
(under "Marple Issue 4"). This is in accordance with what Mark had written.
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If stockport homes do build what they are outlining (14x3 bed houses & 3x2bed bungalows) will the local schools cope with the amount of familys moving in to the area?
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If stockport homes do build what they are outlining (14x3 bed houses & 3x2bed bungalows) will the local schools cope with the amount of familys moving in to the area?
People that move into bungalows probably don't have any children. If the fourteen houses have an average of two that makes twenty eight kids in all. Local schools would quite easily cope with that number of children across the age range.
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How many children will there be on the new estate across the road from Peacefield - also needing school places?
What is going to happen to The Dale when the all the children move back to Rose Hill in the Autumn? Will they demolish The Dale and build more houses on there?
If so, yet more school places will be required.
I know ................... let's build another school !!!!!!
Oh, and don't forget the new estate at Strines. Where will the children from there go? Hague Bar school doesn't look very big.
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Oh, and don't forget the new estate at Strines. Where will the children from there go? Hague Bar school doesn't look very big.
That estate is in the Stockport area, not Derbyshire. They'll be going to Marple Schools.
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The planning application for the housing development at the former Peacefield Site is now on the Stockport planning portal (DC/049865).
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Thanks hollins.
"Development of 17 new 1 and 2 storey houses, consisting of 14 numbers of 3b5p houses and 3 numbers of 2b3p bungalows"
8 houses in two blocks on a new little cul de sac where the playground was, and a further 9 in three blocks fronting Cross Lane itself.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/30i7wo6.jpg)
Visualisations:
http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/getimage.asp?DocumentNumber=181404
http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/getimage.asp?DocumentNumber=181405
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This comes up for ratification at the Marple Area Committee on Wednesday 18th July.
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As I understand it this is Stockport Council applying to build more council houses on Stockport Council land. I think the area committee (i.e. Stockport Council) may just ratify this.
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Isn't that what I wrote?
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Same meeting is discussing the demolition Cataract Bridge Mills, 89 Longhurst Lane, and erection of 12 dwellings instead.
http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/documents/s20241/Report.pdf (http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/documents/s20241/Report.pdf)
http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/66407-Cataract-Bridge-Mill-Mellor-(Nov-2011) (http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/66407-Cataract-Bridge-Mill-Mellor-(Nov-2011))
(http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa321/dSunnyy/Cataract%20Mill/DSCF0814.jpg)
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Don't know where to put this.
Driving past the old Peacefield School site tonight I noticed that the developers' boards are up for the commencement of building a small estate (for want of a better word) of houses.
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Don't know where to put this.
Your post has been merged into this thread.
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Don't know where to put this.
Your post has been merged into this thread.
Thanks, Howard. I'd forgotten about this thread.