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Archive => Archived Boards => Local Issues => Topic started by: amazon on November 03, 2010, 09:07:57 PM
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Are you having problems with the new service it would seam most of stockport is . no bags no caddy's .
the latest Ive been told from stockport mbc .when i got through is if you have no green bags put your food in the black bin if you ha vent a green garden bin .so much for recycling .
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A little petty..... ?
What did you do before Monday - have no food waste?
At least Stockport are heading in the right direction.
There's bound to be the odd problem, and this is a Supplier one that the Council have no control over.
Other option - get a dog or two...... we have very little 'food' waste.. ;)
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Give it a little time - I am sure we shall all get used to it very quickly. Mind you, we are lucky as we can store the various bins fairly easily.
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Our little green bag for the caddy has arrived and we are now using it. What puzzles me is what is going to happen to the bags of food waste after they have been collected with the rest of the garden rubbish in the big green wheelie bin. The waste in the 'caddy bag' includes meat, cooked food, leftovers etc, which is not normally regarded as compostable. So what are they going to do with it? ???
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Anerobic Digestion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic_digestion
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A little petty..... ?
What did you do before Monday - have no food waste?
At least Stockport are heading in the right direction.
There's bound to be the odd problem, and this is a Supplier one that the Council have no control over.
Other option - get a dog or two...... we have very little 'food' waste.. ;)
And Make more mess .
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I think the new bins are great. but driving through hazel grove this morning I lost count of how many driveways had the black bin and 2 sacks outside. ::) ::)
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We Still dont have the green caddy to put outside nor do we have a garden one .instructions from smbc put it in the black bin still not had my food moved yet they left the black bin last week told to put out this week we will see .
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its frustrating that the black bin is smaller than the other bins.. i know we should have less rubbish.. but they dont really hold much/enough
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Ooops forgot to put all three bins out today....still not used to the change of day yet.
Pleasantly surprised about the lack of smell from the little green caddy.
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My Black bin not emptied again this week after being told to put out so far not had any food waste
taken away .impossible to ring them phones are jammed [ we dont have anygreen bins ]of any sort
What a shambles .
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All been perfect here. Each bin collected on the right day with no issues although we haven't had a collection for the the brown so far.
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My bins provided my house burglars with a very useful 'leg up' onto my garage roof and the perfect aid in getting over my high back wall with all the booty from my house. >:( Bring back the black bags!!! )
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Stop posting about your break in burglars read posts like yours .have a radio alarm fitted if you can afford it. that's con neckted to station .they wont know its going . i hope it wont happen again very distressing
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Blue bin not collected on 1st or 15th Nov
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Had My Black bin emptied last night and a green caddy for outside Delivered today . so will see how long it lasts outside when i put it out monday .be fore it gets pinched .
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Stop posting about your break in burglars read posts like yours .have a radio alarm fitted if you can afford it. that's con neckted to station .they wont know its going . i hope it wont happen again very distressing
Oh I am ready for their return :o I have Stocked up with BB Guns from the pound shop on Market St, so after I have used them for targat practice I intend to nail them to the fencing around Seventeen Windows :o I always knew that fencing would prove useful much more scary than the stocks in the Memorial Park :D
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Stop posting about your break in burglars read posts like yours .have a radio alarm fitted if you can afford it. that's con neckted to station .they wont know its going . i hope it wont happen again very distressing
Oh I am ready for their return :o I have Stocked up with BB Guns from the pound shop on Market St, so after I have used them for Target practice I intend to nail them to the fencing around Seventeen Window's :O I always knew that fencing would prove useful much more scary than the stocks in the Memorial Park :D
Like it nice sense of Humor . KEEP POSTING .
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Just back to the bins for a moment, our glass/plastic bin is almost full and it's another 2 weeks before it gets emptied. OK, a good party last weekend contributed somewhat but with 2 milk guzzlers, a healthy intake of squash and bottled water plus the odd cheeky Red Wine when the boss isn't looking, I can't see the bin coping with 4 weeks worth in a typical month for us.
My household has been merrily recycling garden waste, paper / board, and glass / plastic under the old scheme and never put out more than 1/2 a bag of landfill waste a week in the old blue bags. Now with the glass and plastic bin only being picked up once a month as opposed to once a fortnight, I can see my landfill waste increase as I resort to putting the surplus glass and plastic into the fortnightly landfill collection.
Such as waste - come on SMBC, return the glass/plastic to it's former frequency.
(And before suggesting I load the excess into the back of my car and drive to the nearest open landfill (Torkington?) or bottle bank (Co-op) with a cold engine, idling to queue to get in and drive straight back, I'm remain to be convinced that the environmental impact of my solo journey outweighs the environmental benefits of recycling).
RH.
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Sounds as if you need to jump up and down a bit more on the plastic bottles and the cans! Cheers ;D
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My friend e-mailed the council because she was concerned that her bin would not be capable of taking all the amount of bottles and cans as it was already full and had two weeks to gol before it was emptied. My friend asked if she could leave the tins and glass that wouldnt fit in at the side of the bin in the old small black tub that we used to use before the brown bin . The council returned her e-mail within the hour and instead of increasing the bin emptying days, or allowing the small black container to put the addidtion glass and tins in. They issued her with another large brown bin !!!! Now am I missing something about saving the planet? Its that I just don't get it because how can it not be better to use/recycle the old black tub rather than issue another large brown one. :-\
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Two bags of rubbish were left outside my house with a note delivered quoting the Environmental Protection Act 1990 and informing me that only rubbish in the black bin will be collected. Several other households had their bags left behind also. I have emailed Stockport Council for advice on what to do with the remaining rubbish and why a family of five is issued with the same size bin as a single person living alone?
I wonder how long it will be before we see an increase in fly tipping in Marple as people find themselves with all this rubbish to dispose of?
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Two bags of rubbish were left outside my house with a note delivered quoting the Environmental Protection Act 1990 and informing me that only rubbish in the black bin will be collected. Several other households had their bags left behind also. I have emailed Stockport Council for advice on what to do with the remaining rubbish and why a family of five is issued with the same size bin as a single person living alone?
I wonder how long it will be before we see an increase in fly tipping in Marple as people find themselves with all this rubbish to dispose of?
This is what you need (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=refuse+centre&safe=on&ie=UTF8&sll=53.379543,-2.110976&sspn=0.001088,0.002401&rq=1&ev=p&radius=0.06&split=1&hq=refuse+centre&hnear=&ll=53.378863,-2.110933&spn=0,0.002401&z=19&layer=c&cbll=53.378897,-2.110776&panoid=T03XmNZhXeDPLKjzoN1FlA&cbp=12,178.23,,0,1.28)
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Its not helping marple tip still not ready for use .
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??? The world has gone mad. Put our overflowing black bin out on Monday with 3 bags that couldn't fit into the blooming thing. Our bin men took emptied the bin but left the bags. They put a sticker on the bin.
On phoning our beloved council the question was asked " There are 5 of us in the house how on earth do you expect us to get 2 weeks worth of rubbish in that little bin"? RESULT: They are sending us another black bin so we now have 5.
We spilt and dissect all our rubbish only for the powers that be, send it to China, India or whereever and dump it all in 1 hole.
MUPPETS >:(
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Two bags of rubbish were left outside my house with a note delivered quoting the Environmental Protection Act 1990 and informing me that only rubbish in the black bin will be collected. Several other households had their bags left behind also. I have emailed Stockport Council for advice on what to do with the remaining rubbish and why a family of five is issued with the same size bin as a single person living alone?
I wonder how long it will be before we see an increase in fly tipping in Marple as people find themselves with all this rubbish to dispose of?
This is what you need (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=refuse+centre&safe=on&ie=UTF8&sll=53.379543,-2.110976&sspn=0.001088,0.002401&rq=1&ev=p&radius=0.06&split=1&hq=refuse+centre&hnear=&ll=53.378863,-2.110933&spn=0,0.002401&z=19&layer=c&cbll=53.378897,-2.110776&panoid=T03XmNZhXeDPLKjzoN1FlA&cbp=12,178.23,,0,1.28)
Which bus route would that be on then?
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Myloweb.....
so your not grateful that stockport council have given you a second black bin that will save you having to dispose extra bags of rubbish yourself at a tip or have it rotting at the front of your house?
Having 3 extra bags of rubbish after 2 weeks is a bit extreme even for a family of 5. Just 3 people here but we are managing perfectly well and hardly any rubbish is going into the black bin and I can honestly say that if there were 5 of us then we would still be able to fit it all in.
Whinge, moan, whinge, moan.....if YOUR children were rooting through rubbish trying to salvage things to sell so they could eat and exposing themselves to harmful carcinogenic toxins as they are in some parts of Africa, then and only then could your whinging and moaning be justified!
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Two bags of rubbish were left outside my house with a note delivered quoting the Environmental Protection Act 1990 and informing me that only rubbish in the black bin will be collected. Several other households had their bags left behind also. I have emailed Stockport Council for advice on what to do with the remaining rubbish and why a family of five is issued with the same size bin as a single person living alone?
I wonder how long it will be before we see an increase in fly tipping in Marple as people find themselves with all this rubbish to dispose of?
This is what you need (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=refuse+centre&safe=on&ie=UTF8&sll=53.379543,-2.110976&sspn=0.001088,0.002401&rq=1&ev=p&radius=0.06&split=1&hq=refuse+centre&hnear=&ll=53.378863,-2.110933&spn=0,0.002401&z=19&layer=c&cbll=53.378897,-2.110776&panoid=T03XmNZhXeDPLKjzoN1FlA&cbp=12,178.23,,0,1.28)
Which bus route would that be on then?
in that case (http://www.google.co.uk/#q=skip+hire+marple&hl=en&prmd=ivmc&source=univ&tbs=plcs:1&tbo=u&ei=VEnuTKmqC4K6hAfUraW9DA&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=more-results&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CDoQtQMwAA&fp=e58ef3674261fa2b)
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Two bags of rubbish were left outside my house with a note delivered quoting the Environmental Protection Act 1990 and informing me that only rubbish in the black bin will be collected. Several other households had their bags left behind also. I have emailed Stockport Council for advice on what to do with the remaining rubbish and why a family of five is issued with the same size bin as a single person living alone?
I wonder how long it will be before we see an increase in fly tipping in Marple as people find themselves with all this rubbish to dispose of?
This is what you need (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=refuse+centre&safe=on&ie=UTF8&sll=53.379543,-2.110976&sspn=0.001088,0.002401&rq=1&ev=p&radius=0.06&split=1&hq=refuse+centre&hnear=&ll=53.378863,-2.110933&spn=0,0.002401&z=19&layer=c&cbll=53.378897,-2.110776&panoid=T03XmNZhXeDPLKjzoN1FlA&cbp=12,178.23,,0,1.28)
Which bus route would that be on then?
in that case (http://www.google.co.uk/#q=skip+hire+marple&hl=en&prmd=ivmc&source=univ&tbs=plcs:1&tbo=u&ei=VEnuTKmqC4K6hAfUraW9DA&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=more-results&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CDoQtQMwAA&fp=e58ef3674261fa2b)
Proof, if any was needed, that what we have here is a flawed system that is doomed to fail. Thankyou for your contributions, andy. :)
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Two bags of rubbish were left outside my house with a note delivered quoting the Environmental Protection Act 1990 and informing me that only rubbish in the black bin will be collected. Several other households had their bags left behind also. I have emailed Stockport Council for advice on what to do with the remaining rubbish and why a family of five is issued with the same size bin as a single person living alone?
I wonder how long it will be before we see an increase in fly tipping in Marple as people find themselves with all this rubbish to dispose of?
This is what you need (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=refuse+centre&safe=on&ie=UTF8&sll=53.379543,-2.110976&sspn=0.001088,0.002401&rq=1&ev=p&radius=0.06&split=1&hq=refuse+centre&hnear=&ll=53.378863,-2.110933&spn=0,0.002401&z=19&layer=c&cbll=53.378897,-2.110776&panoid=T03XmNZhXeDPLKjzoN1FlA&cbp=12,178.23,,0,1.28)
Which bus route would that be on then?
in that case (http://www.google.co.uk/#q=skip+hire+marple&hl=en&prmd=ivmc&source=univ&tbs=plcs:1&tbo=u&ei=VEnuTKmqC4K6hAfUraW9DA&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=more-results&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CDoQtQMwAA&fp=e58ef3674261fa2b)
Proof, if any was needed, that what we have here is a flawed system that is doomed to fail. Thankyou for your contributions, andy. :)
Not in the slightest, I think the majority of people have managed to cope with putting their rubbish into a black bin in rather than a blue bag. I can't understand why anyone would find it tricky.
If you have more rubbish than fits into the black bin then it is your responsibility to get rid of it, as you would an old carpet or sofa.
Andy
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Problem is some people are not recycling they are just putting every thing in the black bin .
two people near me don't give a toss paper bottles all in the black bin .over flowing with black bags
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Problem is some people are not recycling they are just putting every thing in the black bin .
two people near me don't give a toss paper bottles all in the black bin .over flowing with black bags
and they're the ones that are complaining!!
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It is typical that the council bring out an appropriate initiative such as this bin service and not put enough thought into it.
Such services do require the understanding/knowledge of the neighbourhood in which they operate e.g. size of family, amount of space on their property and on street for the bins, recycling services in the area and can they be easily reached by as many as possible in the neighbourhood?
What about thefts of the bins, even though it is unlikely...still...kids or anyone do stupid things.
There are so many differently sized families here in Marple that many will most certainly find problems, ofcourse they will probably find solutions as well. There will be those who aren't airing their opinion on this forum though which is a pity. As for those who don't live close enough to the recycling centre, have no car, have little money or are saving up, have mobility problems or other disability........then they'll be the ones who accumulate alot unfortunately.
Did someone recently say that the council will bring out another black bin? If so, I hope it helps.
I'd to know if people can give ideas of any solution to problems so as to help others out?
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One suggestion/thought, and you should wear protective clothing and goggles for this, is to brake down your waste physically if you can.
Brake them down to little bits and pieces if possible or get someone to do it for you if need be in that way you create space and, also, try to compress but you'll need to be strong for that one.
As for the food recycling.....give it to the dog, they'll eat alot. Or maybe your pet rabbit if you have one or other pets.
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Looking forward to the point at which SMBC finally distribute all the recycling bags. ::)
Still plagued with "manufacturing issues" apparently.
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Looking forward to the point at which SMBC finally distribute all the recycling bags. ::)
Still plagued with "manufacturing issues" apparently.
And the larger green cadies for outside .
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In reply Come on Nick get real....I guess your name says it all.
How on earth are we ever going to get things done or have a voice heard in this country when we roll over and let the authorities call the tunes. I don't live in Africa I live in Marple Bridge and pay for the council to take away my rubbish. So whilst I respect your view please don't be so condescending to my point of view.
I have a right to whinge and will continue doing so until a voice has been heard.
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Wait till summer we will have some fun then when bins are over flowing, blue bottles blowing, rotten food decaying and RATS !!!!
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Wait till summer we will have some fun then when bins are over flowing, blue bottles blowing, rotten food decaying and RATS !!!!
As my bins have been emptied promptly on the correct days I don't have a gripe about that BUT I was somewhat appalled to find that the normal collections took place on the Bank Holiday Monday. SMBC is supposed to be short of money but is prepared to pay double time for Christmas BH working.
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Myloweb......that's right, attack my comment and totally avoid what YOU had said.
Residents who have surplus rubbish bags for the black bin are not recycling properly.....I suggest they look up recycling tips to find out what goes in what bin.
and for the record....I can voice my opinion whatever it is, just as you can!!
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Wallking the dog the other day we came across three black bin bags full of rubbish abandoned on the canal towpath. Quelle surprise!!
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[SMBC is supposed to be short of money but is prepared to pay double time for Christmas BH working.
I seem to recall being told, a while back, that SMBC decided to keep collections going on bank holidays when they found that it would cost at least as much in overtime if they switched the collections to another day.
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After seeing on the News how other areas have rubbish piling up in the streets, I think SMBC should be congratulated on keeping the service running on schedule during the bad weather and Christmas.
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I totally agree with Harry...well done SMBC for all the collections made over christmas. I was watching the news last night and was thankful that we have a better service. I dont understand the statement made by miss marple about rotting food and blue bottles in the summer? the green bin is emptied weekly so why would the food be rotting?
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I think its a real eye opener to what we stick in landfill, my paper bin was full to bursting over christmas , and my bottle and can bin wasnt far off either ... but had it been full, there are a couple of recycling points around the area which I would use .
I have a family of four, we are managing ok with the black bin ( just ) .
Tina is right about the green bin, food is collected weekly, that was no different before, I would find people who have babies, and waste nappies etc would be a bit of an issue on a fortnightly collection ... but people have choices .. there are eco friendly alternatives for babies these days
We used to have at least 3 black bin bags of rubbish before all the wheely bins on a weekly basis , if we want to recycle, how can we complain, we are having the stuff collected from the doorstep to do just that , granted we pay our council tax , but sometimes I think we are lucky to have the service we do ( nobody shoot me !)
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I think Stockport council should be aplauded for the way they have introduced the new bin service,like all councils they have a time limit when they must recycle more waste,unfortunatly the goverment changed the goal posts and want recycling introduced more quickly.A big thank you to the collection crews who have had to addapt to new working very quickly.Now if we all remember when to put our bins out and what colour and the fact that the collectors do not collect bin bags,and the lids on the bins must be closed things will be a lot easier.If you have a problem remembering what bin and colour to put out stick the calender provided by the council in a promonent place,after all recycling protects the planet for us our children,our grandchildren and there children.Lets give the council and the collectors time to settle into the new routine. ;D
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I used to have Monday collections until the new service was introduced and SMBC have always collected on Bank Holiday Mondays apart from Christmas Day itself. In general the collection service is very good, I only have a couple of gripes, one being the size of the green bin which is way too big for a small property, and actually seems to be making the job slower for the bin men as they are reaching into most bins at the moment to fish out the one or two food waste bags in there.
The other is the strange sense of humour that some of the refuse collectors seem to have about replacing the emptied bins. The other week I drove home to find a wall of 5 weelies bins lined up across the end of my drive!
Alison
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I also have no problems with the service - so long as you don't lose the chart showing which bins to put out when!! We are lucky in having space to store the bins but it is more difficult for those who live in terraces with no space for storage. I also agree that for the majority of people the green bins are too large, but maybe in the summer they will get fuller - and next week they will be full of Christmas trees!
We certainly don't seem to be experiencing the difficulties that other areas have had.
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So i'm not recycling properly Nick? Can you explain why my Blue, Brown and Black bins were overflowing then? No problems with food waste as not alot goes to waste here.....but cardboard, bottle and black waste full? Sorry I do not find that acceptable.....but hopefully proves i do recycle properly as other wise suggested.
And no offence Happy New Year.
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I've had a patroniing letter about having an overflowing bin. Do I need a visit from a recycling officer? No, I just need a local council who can cope with me being away the previous bin day and realise someties I may have more waste.
What sort of non-job is a recycling officer? I'm told there are ten in Stockport, given they have a salary of say £12k that's a cost of £135k a year of 135 household's council tax on a complete waste of time. The council needs to get rid of these jobs and reduce our council taxes and business rates.
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£12k a year for the kind of abuse they are getting hardly seems overly generous! ;)
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I used to have Monday collections until the new service was introduced and SMBC have always collected on Bank Holiday Mondays apart from Christmas Day itself. In general the collection service is very good, I only have a couple of gripes, one being the size of the green bin which is way too big for a small property, and actually seems to be making the job slower for the bin men as they are reaching into most bins at the moment to fish out the one or two food waste bags in there.
The other is the strange sense of humour that some of the refuse collectors seem to have about replacing the emptied bins. The other week I drove home to find a wall of 5 weelies bins lined up across the end of my drive!
Alison
Mine were emptied on the bank holiday Monday immediately following Christmas. Considering the recent kerfuffle about cuts and limiting of services this seems a little extreme
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Mine were emptied on the bank holiday Monday immediately following Christmas. Considering the recent kerfuffle about cuts and limiting of services this seems a little extreme
Extreme? What's 'extreme' about that? Surely it's just excellent service?
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if you loose the cardboard chart showing which bins need to go out, you can get the chart from the stockport council recycling website , you just enter your postcode, and it comes up with your road and what bins go out which day :)
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I agree that SMBC is putting an excellent service in place and I've had no problems at all. Recycling officers are probably vital to 'encouraging' residents to engage with the scheme...many people say they want to recycle but then seem to have a major issue dividing their waste up between 4 containers.
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Cant be bothered sorting some of them .easy to just dump everything in the bin .
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I agree that SMBC is putting an excellent service in place and I've had no problems at all. Recycling officers are probably vital to 'encouraging' residents to engage with the scheme...many people say they want to recycle but then seem to have a major issue dividing their waste up between 4 containers.
They are not vital, what are they doing to help residents and business? It's just a non-job for the council to justify making the working people of Stockport poorer, with less money to spend in local business, restricting growth in the real economy meaning less employment and more reliance on the local authority which is what the local council want.
I hope the govt put further caps on local authority spending.
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I hope the govt put further caps on local authority spending.
Be careful what you wish for, Duke. Make sure you don't need a pothole in the road to be mended, or need your kids to be educated, or need your ailing granny to have a home help. ::)
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I hope the govt put further caps on local authority spending.
Be careful what you wish for, Duke. Make sure you don't need a pothole in the road to be mended, or need your kids to be educated, or need your ailing granny to have a home help. ::)
My father has had home help, it was cheaper to go private!!
I'm aware there is a role for the local council, whereever there is market failure the state (be it local or national) needs to step in to provide the service (if it's essential).
THe key is, it should only be providing essential services, not wasing £140k on useless jobs and taxing us to cover the waste.
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Business hasn't done anything to carry out recycling in Stockport so the local authority has stepped in...that would fit with your view wouldn't it Duke? There's many businesses that can go to the wall as far as I'm concerned so long as someone is at least trying to change behaviour and attitudes towards preserving this lump of rock we're on.
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Business hasn't done anything to carry out recycling in Stockport so the local authority has stepped in...that would fit with your view wouldn't it Duke? There's many businesses that can go to the wall as far as I'm concerned so long as someone is at least trying to change behaviour and attitudes towards preserving this lump of rock we're on.
Well I think that's a very selfish attitude. No thought for the owners & employees of that business nor their suppliers.
Shame on you.
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They are not vital, what are they doing to help residents and business? It's just a non-job for the council
And where is your evidence for these so called none vital non-jobs, as it seems most people on here are satisfied with the service level at present, so these non-jobs seem to be doing a job.....
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They are not vital, what are they doing to help residents and business? It's just a non-job for the council
And where is your evidence for these so called none vital non-jobs, as it seems most people on here are satisfied with the service level at present, so these non-jobs seem to be doing a job.....
I received a note on my bin about a recycling officer. I called to find out what this genius was going to do for me. It turned out, nothing. That is why it's a non-job. It has no outcome, cannot produce any income and totally pointless.
It's Ok for some perhaps well-off people to see council waste as a bit of fun. Council taxes form 8-10% of my income, therefore, I see every bit of unnecessary spending as a hit on my spending – power, it’s like a thief stealing off me every month and wondering why I’m making a fuss.
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Pointless or unviable businesses fold Duke. I don't detect much thought on your part for the many local authority employees you seem keen to put out of work either. Personally, I find the greed and corruption of laissez faire capitalism rather shameful but each to his own. In keeping with the thread, apart from the issue you had when you put out a bin that was was overflowing, are you happy with the new bin service?
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Blue bins just been emptied, paper blowing all around the street.
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I hope the govt put further caps on local authority spending.
Be careful what you wish for, Duke. Make sure you don't need a pothole in the road to be mended, or need your kids to be educated, or need your ailing granny to have a home help. ::)
My father has had home help, it was cheaper to go private!!
In that case his council assessment must have showed he had enough money or assets to afford to pay. But many people are less fortunate than your dad, Duke. In fact, to coin a phrase:
Well I think that's a very selfish attitude.
Shame on you.
;)
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I hope the govt put further caps on local authority spending.
Be careful what you wish for, Duke. Make sure you don't need a pothole in the road to be mended, or need your kids to be educated, or need your ailing granny to have a home help. ::)
My father has had home help, it was cheaper to go private!!
In that case his council assessment must have showed he had enough money or assets to afford to pay. But many people are less fortunate than your dad, Duke. In fact, to coin a phrase:
Well I think that's a very selfish attitude.
Shame on you.
;)
Quite another issue but my father has altheimers, if he had any other illness the NHS would provide support. Lung cancer through smokleng, the NHS will help etc. If you've put a little aside through life and unfortunate enough to develop altheimers, you're screwed.
MOral of the story, don't bother saving, don't get a pension as you pay it all back in hte end.
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Pointless or unviable businesses fold Duke. I don't detect much thought on your part for the many local authority employees you seem keen to put out of work either. Personally, I find the greed and corruption of laissez faire capitalism rather shameful but each to his own. In keeping with the thread, apart from the issue you had when you put out a bin that was was overflowing, are you happy with the new bin service?
No, far better when we had one bit collection for all waste. Compost went on the garden, paper, plastics & PVC on the fire
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We're getting a bit off-topic, Duke, but have a look at this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6049942/Family-told-by-NHS-Alzheimers-is-not-a-health-condition.html
As for this: .... plastics & PVC on the fire
.....blimey Steptoe, you were living dangerously! :D
Meanwhile, back on topic - I think the new bin service is fine. The only drawback is that it relies on a 'flash-mob' of huge lorries descending on the same area on collection day. So when it's a 'three-bin-day' (like today), the traffic snarl ups can be a pain. >:(
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No, far better when we had one bit collection for all waste. Compost went on the garden, paper, plastics & PVC on the fire
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Your last post leaves two possible conclusions to be drawn Duke. The first is that your having a hoot and trying to wind contributors up. I'm sure, nay positive, it must be this, as I don't think your the curmudgeonly anti-social type who would burn plastics etc secure in the knowledge you were releasing pollutants and also put up such as fuss over recycling and doing a bit to halt enviromental degredation ;)
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Sorry guys - I'm getting confused. It was Duke setting fire to the plastic, not Steptoe. :o
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Pointless or unviable businesses fold Duke. I don't detect much thought on your part for the many local authority employees you seem keen to put out of work either. Personally, I find the greed and corruption of laissez faire capitalism rather shameful but each to his own. In keeping with the thread, apart from the issue you had when you put out a bin that was was overflowing, are you happy with the new bin service?
Inviable businesses do fold, true but your post suggested you wish all businesses who don't hold your own hey nonny nonny recycling views to fail.
I do have a thought for the local authority employees who may lose their job. The way I see it, you get rid of 10 recycling officers on £12k a year that saves £136k in council tax allowing the public to have £136k (ignoring admin costs) in spending power hence that money gets spent in the local economy, the multiplyer effect means local business grows and takes on staff, hey presto, that then means those recycling officers get employed in real jobs. They get a real satisfaction by operating in the productive sector and rid themselves of the public sector restrictive practices and help there employers grow further and employ more staff. The employers grow and taxes are paid, reducing the public debt at the need to borrow.
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Nice idea Duke. There are about 120,000 council-tax paying households in Stockport. So if you divide a saving of 136K equally between them, they will each save an average of 88p a year per household. For that kind of saving, I think I'll stick with the recycling officers thanks. ;)
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Pointless or unviable businesses fold Duke. I don't detect much thought on your part for the many local authority employees you seem keen to put out of work either. Personally, I find the greed and corruption of laissez faire capitalism rather shameful but each to his own. In keeping with the thread, apart from the issue you had when you put out a bin that was was overflowing, are you happy with the new bin service?
Inviable businesses do fold, true but your post suggested you wish all businesses who don't hold your own hey nonny nonny recycling views to fail.
I do have a thought for the local authority employees who may lose their job. The way I see it, you get rid of 10 recycling officers on £12k a year that saves £136k in council tax allowing the public to have £136k (ignoring admin costs) in spending power hence that money gets spent in the local economy, the multiplyer effect means local business grows and takes on staff, hey presto, that then means those recycling officers get employed in real jobs. They get a real satisfaction by operating in the productive sector and rid themselves of the public sector restrictive practices and help there employers grow further and employ more staff. The employers grow and taxes are paid, reducing the public debt at the need to borrow.
I would agree with you but sadley we live in Stockport and any monies saved would more than likely be spent on something like Seventeen Windows or the councils next waste of money the cycle track which must be costing hundreds of thousands My god I hope to see people cycling 24hrs a day up that track unlike the pedestrian crossing near Seventeen Windows that no one crosses over :-X
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Nice idea Duke. There are about 120,000 council-tax paying households in Stockport. So if you divide a saving of 136K equally between them, they will each save an average of 88p a year per household. For that kind of saving, I think I'll stick with the recycling officers thanks. ;)
I think you know my point Dave, for every recycling officer there is a crime awareness coordinator, benefits awareness officer, infact every role in hte council with the word coordinator or liason in the title seems to be a bit of a waste.
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You're going some on the assumptions apart from ignoring admin costs Duke...you assume all the money is simply spent, and if it is just spent and people act as good obedient consumers, it all gets spent locally. You also assume that if the money is spent locally, it's with a local business, despite the increasing dominance of national/international chains in towns such as Stockport. Lastly, you assume that any private sector job is a dream job (and ergo, any public sector job is a wasteful drudge).
Alternatively to your worldview, which I've gathered is unwavering and invariably right, there are 10 individuals carrying out jobs that promote a positive environmental message, and they get a great deal of job satisfaction from helping the local community and making Stockport a greener place to live. Many people choose a job or career in the public sector precisely so they can make a difference to people's lives; supporting the vulnerable, improving life chances, building stronger communities...important issues where there's not a quick buck to be made, and making a buck isn't the point.
On the plus side for you, I can see these officers being involved in income generation...I'm sure that, in time, they will take on an enforcement role and will have a role in prosecuting people who, lets say, burn plastics or can't manage to put out a bin that's not overflowing ;)
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Duke I find your statements about co-ordinators rather sweeping.So if the local authority make their co-ordinators redundant from their 12k per anum jobs.A bit on the low side I think, they may have to spend some time on job seekers allowance or whatever it has changed it's title to.Depending on the individuals personal finances they could find themselves recieving more than 12k per anum pro rata, but would not be paying into the tax or Insurance system. Better some work being done than none. I hope any people on this forum who have co-ordinator in their job description,no matter what you earn, low or high ,make your feelings known to Mr Big aka The Duke pwhh !
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Duke I find your statements about co-ordinators rather sweeping.So if the local authority make their co-ordinators redundant from their 12k per anum jobs.A bit on the low side I think, they may have to spend some time on job seekers allowance or whatever it has changed it's title to.Depending on the individuals personal finances they could find themselves recieving more than 12k per anum pro rata, but would not be paying into the tax or Insurance system. Better some work being done than none. I hope any people on this forum who have co-ordinator in their job description,no matter what you earn, low or high ,make your feelings known to Mr Big aka The Duke pwhh !
I'm just trying to illustrate a point.
Mr A works in the productive sector & has a salary of £20,000 and the company he works for makes a £20,000 profit.
Mr B works for the public sector as a 5 a day co-ordinator. He ‘earns’ a salary of £20,000.
Now to pay that salary, the state taxes Mr A £10,000 and his employer £10,000 so Mr A has less money to spend on consuming the products the likes of his employer makes. His employ’s owners need £10,000 to live on so the employer is unable to reinvest in finding new markets. Because the employer hasn’t invested & found new markets, Mr A’s job is at risk eventually the employer closes down and nobody has any money. Eventually there are no tax revenues, the state have borrowed up to the eyeballs, loses it’s credit rating and the Chinese will not buy government gilts anymore. The IMF step in and say no more frivolous spending and Mr B loses his job.
So, how about Mr A says to the state, look, I eat an oranges, apples, bananas, cabbage, sprouts, calabrese and spinach. I don’t need to be told what to eat and to be honest, I find it a little condescending (Steptoe, Son & Blessedly Silent – that means talking down to people).
Mr A is now earning £20,000 and his employer makes a profit of £20,000. They are now taxed to pay Mr B’s £40 pw dole money, both are taxed £1040. The employer now can invest £8960 in his business, Mr A has spent some more money in the market place but saved £5,000. Mr A’s bankers have taken Mr A’s £5,000, mindful of a duty to maintain liquidity, lent £4,500 to some of the businesses Mr A has spent his £3,960 in (as they are doing so well), they are investing and all need a new employee. Mr B now has a choice of new employers because the economy is growing.
Mr A's emplyers are also doing well haveing invested well and Mr A is still in a job.
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I think I came across that problem earlier tonight when I was helping my son with his GCSE homework ;) ;D
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Duke, Condescending?Your post is just that,I am not a child and don't feel I need to endure your sleep inducing lessons.also i am not aware of any cliques on this foum. ZZZZZZZZZZ Good Night.
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And how are we all finding the new bin service ;D
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It's great, but will deteriorate when I leave my position as co -ordinator, I'm off to find a job thst's not considered to be a none job. :P
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I think some people need to lighten up a bit , there is a danger of turning every subject into some sort of goverment spending, local council spending, political debate at this rate and people will just switch off :(
Just an opinion "like"
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I've got it! Public sector jobs (e.g. Recycling officer) are 'non-jobs'. But private sector jobs (e.g. Macdonalds burger-flipper) are 'productive'. Well thanks for that, Duke! Oh, and thanks for explaining what 'condescending' means - I'll try to remember ;-)
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Lets get back on topic!!!
how do i find the new bin service? Well my recycling bins are continually full..as is my black bin!! Maybe I m not recycling correctly? Could do with a recycling officer/coordinator to come make sure I'm doing it right :D
Looking forward to seeing the new candidate in the local council elections ;)
Seriously though... the bins are too small..and the green bin is too big and they don't collect the black one enough ( though it only needs to be a bit bigger for me to be able to cope with the current schedule).
and its a daft rule that they refuse to collect if they are overflowing!
Apart from that step in right direction and still early days....
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look what i started when i asked how do you find the new bin service .my opinions Green bin the caddy if you have one for outside OK fortwo people .garden bin to big . apart from that not bad now sorting its self out .
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my black bin really on seems to be filled with non recylable food cartons, plastic bags which I do try to remember to use less and take bags to the shop ( the carrying sort, not the people kind of bags :P ) but I often forget :( and its still pretty full ... my husband was telling me in Italy, plastic bags are now banned .
I think the green bin is too big in the winter, but in the summer when the lawn needs cutting often etc, ours is often full on collection day .
Talking about recycling plastic bags again, It annoys me in Marks and Spencer that they charge you for carry bags ..BUT then inform me that the food which has not sold when the sell by date is about to expire doesnt go to charity , it gets thrown, either burned or into landfill ( accoding to a staff member at the Hazel Grove store ) ... but thats another story all together :(
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The green bins are not big enough for us most of the year - we have two and regularly fill up our neighbours too! This is because my wife is a keen gardener. Fortunately we have plenty of room for the bins on our drive. Sometimes we have had problems with cardboard too (I'm a hoarder of cardboard boxes and we cleared out the loft recently) but again, we have spoken to a neighbour and filled up theirs as well. Perhaps this could be a good solution for some people who are struggling with the size of the bins? Find a teetotal neighbour who doesn't get through so many bottles!
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Perhaps this could be a good solution for some people who are struggling with the size of the bins? Find a teetotal neighbour who doesn't get through so many bottles!
Not much space left in our brown bin, I'm afraid. :-[ But we're starting to develop a wonderfully sticky and aromatic morass in the bottom of ours, as the accumulated dregs of weeks of wine bottles and beer cans combine with the remaining malt from empty cans of home-brew! I'm planning to add some yeast and sugar, and plenty of water, and park the brown bin next to the central heating boiler for a week. I'll let you know if the resultant hooch is worth drinking (don't breathe a word to Customs and Excise, will you) :P
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Just a suggestion,Instead of putting a small amount of food waste in the big green bin, why not double bag the waste,then just put the caddy out?I do, and so far it has not been touched by the wildlife.
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if your using the proper caddy the bigger one it locks so it wont be opened by wildlife .
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SOLUTION !!!
If we all eat out, we would have no food waste.
If we visit people out of the area more frequently, we would have little black bin waste, If we just drank tap water there would be no plastic bottle waste.
If we burnt our paper and cardboard, there would be no paper waste.
We would therefore not need a waste coordinator.
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It seems that the four bins we have is at the lower end of the recycling scale with some Local Authorities expecting residents to sort their rubbish into NINE. Where would we put them all, the streets would be awash with bins?
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I forgot to put our black bin out 2 weeks ago but amazingly 2 weeks later it had 4 weeks worth of rubbish in and I could close the lid so I reckon we are recycling correctly. The brown bin is absolutely jam packed at the end of a month and most weeks only one food bag is used.
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I have to go to the tip every week but I've cancelled our 2 businesses' Sksolutions contracts now and just dump everything in one go. We have a bonfire quite often too.
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I cleared the rubbish from our front hedge last weekend (not our rubbish but a good citizan thing to do) it filled 2 bin bags and therefore rendered my black bin allocation full for the next month. I'll not do it again.
Also, I got a note threatening a fine for putting my bin out too early. I was to be away for 5 days yet we're paying a stupid council busy-body to threaten fines. Stupid IMHO these cuts cannot come quickly enough.
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Someone has found their solution to the problem of excess waste and dumped it on the land behind their house that backs on to the canal.....out of sight, out of mind.