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I understand that Councillor Craig Wright and Councillor Mrs Sue Ingram are up for election, for the Lib Dems.
Who is standing for the other party's?
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I understand that Councillor Craig Wright and Councillor Mrs Sue Ingram are up for election, for the Lib Dems.
Who is standing for the other party's?
It's Sue Ingham and that's her maiden name, so it would probably be better to use the politically correct Ms. or just Cllr. as a title.
As to who is standing for the other parties, it's interesting that we don't seem to know (and you could say that it's their job to make sure we do). The Stockport web site only lists the councillors who are up for reelection and not their rivals. As sitting Cllrs are not allowed to attend any public functions (like the handover of the bridge over the ditch at Mellor Vicarage) prior to elections because it may somehow prejudice the voting it seems strange that the council web site can effectively list them as the only candidates!
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its worth noting though that there isn't a vast amount of funds raised in local areas by any of the parties that are not in power so it is often difficult to let us know.
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General Election confirmed for May 6th
Conservative - http://www.actionabercorn.co.uk/ (http://www.actionabercorn.co.uk/)
Labour - http://www.hazelgrovelabourparty.com/RichardScorerPPC/tabid/54/Default.aspx (http://www.hazelgrovelabourparty.com/RichardScorerPPC/tabid/54/Default.aspx)
Liberal - http://www.andrewstunell.org.uk/ (http://www.andrewstunell.org.uk/)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/constituency/1010/hazel-grove (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/constituency/1010/hazel-grove)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazel_Grove_(UK_Parliament_constituency) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazel_Grove_(UK_Parliament_constituency))
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I'm sure now it's been announced that the junk with dozens of false promises will start flooding through our doors! ::) Sorry I've always been a bit cynical when it comes to politicians :P
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To be honest, Annesley Abercorn hasn't got a hope of winnnig here. I assume that he's just been given a canditature so that he's on the list for being offered a more winnable seat at a bye election or the next general election. Andrew Stunell has been a very good local MP and has one of the lowest expense claims in the whole of parliament.
I'm not sure that Mr Abercorn has anything to do with Hazel Grove anyway. From reading his bio he seems to have spent his entire life in London as evidenced by that awful poster of him on a London bus with David Cameron at Marple station.
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he seems to have spent his entire life in London as evidenced by that awful poster of him on a London bus with David Cameron at Marple station.
Agred - that poster is a terrible own goal! I know nothing about Mr Abercorn - for all I know he's an excellent candidate who could be an effective MP for this area. But the shot of him and David Cameron standing on the platform of a London 'Routemaster' bus sends out entirely the wrong message: 'We are Londoners - where is Marple anyway?' ::)
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I now know much more about AA thanks to his web site and YouTube Video. I am sorry but was that really him or was it an Alan Partridge spoof?
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I was a pity last nights debate with the three leaders did not mention that all parties if elected are to stop Disability Living Allowance benefits and Attendance Allowance benefit. Both these benefits offer a life line to many elderly and disabled people so I hope AA has an answer to where his party stands on the issue. Elderly and disabled residents of Marple and surrounding areas be worried be very worried. Attendance Allowance and Disability living Allowance are the only two none means tested benefits. What all parties want to do is merge all benefits in to one benefit which is means teasted which effectively means that if you have worked all your life and put a little by for you funeral YOU WONT GET ANYTHING !!!! From the Cradle to the Grave ??? Don't think so do you !!!
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I'd like to know which party will do something about the price of fuel? every time I pass the petrol station the price seems to have crept up 1p. Has anyone noticed how everything else has gone up along with the fuel. Shopping is getting ridiculous, and that's even if you walk to the shops! >:(
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Just wait until the shortages caused by the flight ban kick in! :-X
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I notice the Churches Together in Marple and District are hosting a hustings event for the candidates on the Friday before polling day - the 30th of April. It's at the Methodist Church.
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There were Conservative leafleters at Marple station this morning, but though Annesley Abercorn was with them, he didn't get out of the car. Shame, he could have tapped into the public sentiment about crowded trains.
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In my opinion, if people really want a change of government, then they should vote Conservative. I do not believe that the Lib Debs have a chance of winning and a vote for anything but Tory will return Gordon Brown.
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Vote for the thacher years 3 day week high interest rates .
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Hello everyone,
Just to introduce myself, my name is Oliver Johnstone and I am your Conservative Candidate in the forthcoming local elections in Marple South, which includes parts of Marple (area around Church Lane), Hawk Green and High Lane. I am standing against the Lib Dem incumbent, Cllr Susan Ingham.
I have lived locally all my life and will happily respond to any questions you have of me and moreover if there is anything I can do for you, please do not hesitate to ask.
Best wishes,
Oliver
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Just how local are you Oliver? Are you aware of the ongoing or should I say unfinished state of some of the roads around the Cottage surgery area off Church lane? Some have been unfinished for 15 months! Stockport council should priorotise instead of starting new costly projects which in my opinion are uneccessary ie the growing number of pedestrian crossings and proposed cycle track.
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Mr Johnstone,
You will certainly have a fight on your hands against Ms Ingham, she is indeed the only lib deb that I have regard for in Marple. I do wish you well and hope that you will put yourself about over the next two weeks.
I have not had a canvasser in my area(Sutton Lane/Lockside) neither have I seen your election address.
What is your Marple history?
Why do you wish to be elected?
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First of all I live in Hazel Grove just off Torkington Road at the Threaphurst Lane end so mere minutes away from High Lane. My connection to High Lane, Hawk Green and Marple goes back a long way and I am currently a Governor at one of the key schools that High Lane feeds to, Hazel Grove High School.
As far as the election address is concerned, you will received it over the coming week for definite.
I believe firmly that our area simply is not getting the value for money it deserves. You only have to travel into the residential areas of High Lane and Hawk Green to see the appalling state of the roads - i.e potholes and gullies. I have spoken to residents who have reported these problems and as yet have had no response despite multiple efforts to contact the council. Pavement issues are also rife and with the high elderly population in the area that is especially concerning.
Furthermore, many of us witnessed the fiasco over the schools merger and whatever your opinion is on the decision itself, the Council's handling of the issue was a disgrace. First of all they tried to cover it up until after the Local elections in 2008 and then they couldn't get the clean up job sorted. Peacefield Primary in particular was the victim numerous arson attacks before the clear-up began.
When you take this into the context of our area having the highest Council tax band in Greater Manchester, I believe there is a serious problem. We are paying top dollar for not just a lack of services but also for bad services. This Council is borrowing and borrowing which will heap more and more of the burden on us.
I think because roads will be a big issue in this campaign, it is worth mentioning that it is Lib Dem policy to pull money out of the road's budget. Simply put we cannot trust them with the job of looking after our highways.
I hope this answers your questions.
Many thanks for your interest in my campaign,
Oliver
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Jay....they are called 'Marple prices'
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re: the current state of the roads.
I've had a leaflet put through my door today to confirm that SMBC are spending £2m to address the deterioration of the roads due to the severe winter we had.
Driving around Marple this last week there are clear signs that this work has begun, and the leaflet lists at least 2 dozen roads which are to be resurfaced. They are presently doing patch repairs prior to the roads being resurfaced.
If I was cynical, I could think that this is a good time to be seen to being investing in the state of the roads! However, whatever the reason for this work being done - I'm grateful that at last I won't be dodging potholes all the time!
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One of the most depressing things about elections is reading the evasions and half-truths which fill some of the election leaflets dropping through our letterboxes. :'(
As an example, look at the one from the Lib Dems, in which Cllr Craig Wright proudly claims credit for 'leading the successful campaign for two trains an hour to stop at Rose Hill'. This is due to start in December.
What Cllr Wright omits to mention is that this will not be an additional service, but will simply be a switch of one of the three trains per hour which currently serve Marple. So Marple and Rose Hill will each have two trains per hour from this December.
For those who live within walking distance of both stations, this is no big deal, of course. But for those many who 'park and ride', it makes little sense. Marple has a great deal more car parking than Rose Hill - not just at the station itself, but across the road behind Basmati, and down the hill at Brabyns Brow car park and in Brabyns Park.
And if more people start driving to Rose Hill in the mornings, and back in the evenings, the small car park there will soon fill up, and the increase in traffic on the already congested Stockport Road will get even worse.
Well done Cllr Wright!! ::)
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So What do you suggest .
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Introduce an extra Rose Hill train per hour without pinching it from the other station. Failing that, leave things as they are. But my point is not so much about the switching of trains, and more about the fact that one of our election candidates is telling us only half the story. ::)
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Dont they all .
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Introduce an extra Rose Hill train per hour without pinching it from the other station. Failing that, leave things as they are. But my point is not so much about the switching of trains, and more about the fact that one of our election candidates is telling us only half the story. ::)
I couldnt agree more!
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Me too!
I've also noticed how some of them speak privately to others in the pub, but just loud enough for everyone else to hear.
Anyway I have posted my votes off today,I do hope Mr Johnstone gets a chance to prove his worth
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It's good to see that the national newspapers are taking the issue of a hung parliament seriously!
http://yfrog.com/873nsj (http://yfrog.com/873nsj)
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Thanks for your support Alan.
I must say I do agree with the comments about some of the sceptical claims by local Councillors as per their achievements. This business about them successfully campaigning for work to be done along the Middlewood Way doesn't quite add up. It really gets to me when politicians jump on band-wagons or play politics with public services but I am sure it is not just the Liberal Democrats who do so.
After this election it is important that anyone elected, either in local government or in Westminster, understands that things have got to change. They need to be more honest and less partisan - delivering a real value for money service rather than just winning a majority and not doing the hard graft.
You have to give The Sun their due, they certainly have original but doubtless effective ways of engaging their readers in the spirited debate!
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not a discussion just an observation... a certain long term Marple liberal democrat councillor was parked on double yellows on road next to ludworth last Friday evening... Not sure how long for but when i arrived he wasn't in his car and there WAS legal parking on the other side of the road ( where i parked)
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Question: if LibDems park on yellow lines, what colour lines do Tories and Labour councillors park on? (BNP only park on white lines, of course....) ;D
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not a discussion just an observation... a certain long term Marple liberal democrat councillor was parked on double yellows on road next to ludworth last Friday evening... Not sure how long for but when i arrived he wasn't in his car and there WAS legal parking on the other side of the road ( where i parked)
you can park allday in this area lower fold and nobody will book you . the only plaice you will be booked
is the bus lay by Bottam Glossop road 7 am 7pm .
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Why will none of the party leaders give us a true intention of their party on immigration?some we need some we dont, where would the NHS be without it?Immigrants who already live here are against it.This country has used immigration to its advantage over the years.I would think most immigrants are quite happy with the situation or they would go home, if they do not face persucution, in the case af asylum seekers. I know from a very good source of the most appalling situations of some asylum seekers, if there is a God ,Help them! The attrocites that some children have witnessed is beyond my comprehension.We need to look after ourselves, and of course the poor unfortunates, which is of course ,I hope ,is human nature. If anyone would like to send me their personal e-mail i will send you a very amusing and catchy song, be it tongue in cheek.
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Sooty,
If you like I can e-mail you a clear outline of the Conservative immigration policy. If you send me your e-mail to hgconservatives@btconnect.com then I will reply very swiftly.
That goes for everyone else too - any questions about policy or otherwise (within reason!) just get in touch on the e-mail.
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Hi Oliver
Can you till me what the Conservative Policy is on the Beer escalator tax ,at present 2.5% above inflation .
3000 Public House's per year are closing down ,with a loss of VAT ,Income Tax ,Business Rates , Jobs and towns and villages losing their community and social sprit.
Cheers and Good Luck.
Mark Singleton
Romanza1@virginmedia.com
Ring O'Bells
Marple
01614272300.
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Hi Oliver
Why just send it privately to Sooty? Why not just post it on here so all of us can read it? It's good that your willing to share the information with certain people but it is not being open and honest is it.
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I wonder if anyone will be brave enough to call Sooty a bigot :P
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I hope Mr Brown does not read this thread......we'd all be branded for what for it.....having concerns and opinions!
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Hi Oliver
Can you till me what the Conservative Policy is on the Beer escalator tax ,at present 2.5% above inflation .
3000 Public House's per year are closing down ,with a loss of VAT ,Income Tax ,Business Rates , Jobs and towns and villages losing their community and social sprit.
Cheers and Good Luck.
Mark Singleton
Romanza1@virginmedia.com
Ring O'Bells
Marple
01614272300.
Come on Oliver, answer the question! ;D
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This event at the Methodist Church on Friday 30th April - Will all the 4 candidates be there for the hustings?
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Haha. Steady now.
The only reason I didn't post it on here was because I am concious that some of you won't want to become embroiled in a heavy debate. But if you insist...
I am very proud of our party's policy on immigration. Simply put, controlled immigration is good for this country but what we have seen over the past 13 years under Labour is simply too high over, some years having 350,000 immigrants coming in. We want to put an annual cap which will reduce it to tens of thousands per year - levels of the early 90s. Furthermore we want to create a UK Border Police Force to ensure that we can really begin to clamp down on illegal immigration.
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That's interesting, Oliver. As you know, the vast majority of immigration to the UK is from other countries in the EU. (The celebrated Mrs Duffy from Rochdale knows that, because she said, famously, 'these immigrants from Eastern Europe - where are they flocking from?').
There is, of course, unrestricted free movement between member states of the EU. So as long as we remain members, we will not be able to place any limit on immigration from elsewhere in the EU.
So presumably your policy means that you favour withdrawal from the EU?
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Dave, thank you for bringing my error to my attention.
Our policy is to cap immigration from outside the EU only as we are prohibited from doing so to EU immigrants. Personally, I believe this is a good start - far better than any of the alternatives - but needs to go further and cap immigration from the EU countries too.
My own personal opinion is that we should pull out of the European although I think the Conservative Party's position is most certainly better than Lib Dems or Labour.
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Doh?I think you may be involved with the wrong party Oliver, Tories are pro europe? your last post reads like its been written by a juvenile! Everybody knows that most of the immigrants are from the European union.So your statement is as much use as a chocolate fireguard.Why oh why didnt I get myself an education, then I could talk contradictory twaddle :P
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Hold on Sooty. It is far more juvenile to assume that a party has to agree with every opinion you hold before you vote for them.
At the end of the day, I have my own personal opinion but still support the Conservative position on Europe because it is a step in the right direction. Parties are broad churches of opinion and it is a mistake to assume otherwise.
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Hiya
It was good of Oliver to say that their proposed cap refers to immigration outside the EU, I have not heard David Cameron say this or that we are prohibited from stopping EU immigration. Surely though as a member of the EU, our MEPs can voice our concerns about EU immigration which could possibly lead to a new capping policy? Then again, the other EU countries will not entertain it because they are hardly affected by immigration.
What I don't really understand is why do most EU immigrants come here? Before countries can join the EU they have to adopt and adhere to strict rules and regulations so surely their country becomes a much better place than before so why would they want to leave anyway? AND what is so wrong with other EU countries like Spain, France etc why do immigrants not want to go there? I think that the next government needs to seriously to look at this and I also think that a EU immigration cap is needed, with Turkey soon to be joining the EU, the Polish over here will most certainly be outnumbered by Turks.
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Yes Nick, Lots of young Turkish males would love to come here, they have been trying for many years.I have spoken to many and they freely admit that they think UK is land of plenty.When they marry British women sometimes old enough to be their Grandmother, they dont want to set up home in Turkey.Some Tunisians are the same, their country may join the EU, something has to be done! If the elected government cant do anything about it, who can? Voting this time is looking pointless :(
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Then again, the other EU countries will not entertain it because they are hardly affected by immigration.
Oh yes they are - Germany is, for one (it's a big issue there as well), and I believe Spain has the highest percentage of immigrant population of any EU country - huge numbers from North Africa, plus about 700,000 Brits, of course!
What I don't really understand is why do most EU immigrants come here? Before countries can join the EU they have to adopt and adhere to strict rules and regulations so surely their country becomes a much better place than before so why would they want to leave anyway?
To find work, or better paid work that they could get at home. However, now the recession has arrived, many have gone home.
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Sooty...on a lighter note at least the weekly stories in Take a Break magazine of women being shafted by Turkish men will end.
I didn't know that Tunisia may also be joining. Before we know it, Syria, Iraq and Iran will be joining!
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Nick, I dont know that tunisia are joining, and on a lighter note. type (the immigration song Funny )in to youtube. and before I get slaughtered I dont believe everything I see or here on this video, that would be ignorant. Its just a spoof. and I certainly dont supprt the BNP :( This may answer your, why do they come here? This is how some people think.
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The hustings at the Methodist Church was good last night.
There's a report on it here:
http://themarpleleaf.blogspot.com/2010/05/great-marple-election-debate.html
Summary:
The Liberal Democrat surge is a phenomena of this general election, but Hazel Grove has the distinction of being a relatively safe LibDem seat, even though this should be prime Cameron country. The reason for that is that Stunell has been a good constituency MP. Annesley Abercorn will be an MP one day, but he's serving his time here. Richard Scorer may well be a good council leader for somewhere like Huddersfield, but there was only one candidate who looked like a winner last night. I think Stunell won the debate last night, and will clearly win again next week.
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I wasn't there, but that looks like a very fair and balanced report, Michael. Did anyone mention the other candidate (UKIP), and explain why he wasn't there? Was he invited? ???
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I was at the hustings last night and I think maybe the report is a little unfair to the 2 challengers. Oddly there were no questions on immigration or Europe but I would find it hard to believe that no one submitted a question on those topics...
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Why would you find it hard to believe if you were present?Perhaps people were being polite in case any of the candidates are immigrants. As far as I know they are not.
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I was at the hustings last night and I think maybe the report is a little unfair to the 2 challengers. Oddly there were no questions on immigration or Europe but I would find it hard to believe that no one submitted a question on those topics...
Why didn't you ask ???
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Questions were not taken from the floor, they had to be submitted prior to the start of the debate.
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I wasn't there, but that looks like a very fair and balanced report, Michael. Did anyone mention the other candidate (UKIP), and explain why he wasn't there? Was he invited? ???
He was invited but had another engagement.
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I seem to remember that Annesley Abercorn chipped in his point on immigration and John Sparrow then skipped a question after all three adressed the subject.
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didnt the UKIP bloke have his own thing on at the navigation?
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I seem to remember that Annesley Abercorn chipped in his point on immigration and John Sparrow then skipped a question after all three adressed the subject.
Someone made it very clear what they thought of immigration on the large poster of Annesley Abercorn that was at the bottom of Dan Bank. The poster had some form of racist slogan put on it late last night, which I noticed when driving home, but by around 10am when I was on my way to see Noddy at the Plaza the poster had been removed :o
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Five days to go.
If you vote Lib Dem for the General Election, then don't complain about the hung parliament.
And if you don't vote at all, then don't complain about anything!.
Lets have our own Poll
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And if you don't vote at all, then don't complain about anything!.
Well said Alan. It's amazing how often you hear the idiotic 'There's no point in voting - they're all the same'. Maybe the numpties who don't appreciate how lucky they are to live in a democracy should be forced to go and live in North Korea for a bit! :o
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After what I have just read in the mornings papers about our service men abroad votes being 'delayed' and a huge surge of postal vote applications for people who don't even exist I'm beginning to think Britain is no longer a democracy. Labour will be behind all this no doubt.
Welcome to the new Zimbabwe.
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Seems to me to be the final massive bureaucratic cock-up after 13 years of inefficiency and incompetence.
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After what I have just read in the mornings papers about our service men abroad votes being 'delayed' .....I'm beginning to think Britain is no longer a democracy. Labour will be behind all this no doubt.
Don't know about the bogus voters, but the postal votes for servicemen issue is nothing new, and it's hard to see how Labour or any other party can be held entirely responsible.
For many years the law has dictated that, for obvious reasons, postal ballot papers can't be sent out until nominations have closed, 11 days before an election. This was never a problem when our troops were stationed in places like Germany, but it is now that we have some in remote parts of Afghanistan, for example. We probably ought to have brought forward the closing date for nominations, but that would be a huge change with major consequences.
So I agree with Oliver - it's probably a cock-up rather than a conspiracy ::)
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So I agree with Oliver - it's probably a cock-up rather than a conspiracy ::)
"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence" Napolean Boneparte
or a more calloquial version by Sir Bernard Ingham "Many journalists have fallen for the conspiracy theory of government. I do assure you that they would produce more accurate work if they adhered to the cock-up theory."
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Results:
Marple North, Declared
Wright, C E (Liberal Democrats) 3435 Votes
Walsh, C (Conservative) 2389 Votes
Rowbottom, D E (Labour) 647 Votes
Preston, M (Green) 442 Votes
Minshall, B J (Independent) 233 Votes
Marple South, Declared
Ingham, S A (Liberal Democrats) 3717 Votes
Johnstone, O J (Conservative) 2421 Votes
McAuley, P R (Labour) 612 Votes
Hazel Grove Constituency
Andrew Stunell (Liberal Democrat) 20,485
Annesley Abercorn (Conservative) 14,114
Richard Scorer (Labour) 5,234
John Whittaker (UK Independence Party) 2,148
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Congratulations to Councillor Ingham on a solid victory!
Many thanks to all those who voted for me and supported our campaign.
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Well said Oliver! :)
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And Well done Andrew stunell .
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Congratulations to Councillor Ingham on a solid victory!
Many thanks to all those who voted for me and supported our campaign.
see you at the next general election .Because that's the only time we see the Tories round hear
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I am sorry you feel that way because we do actually distribute literature all year round in the area. The problem is, due to resources we have found it difficult to keep up with the Liberal Democrats. However, if that is the way you see it then I shall make a special effort to be more visible in the coming year with my activities.
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you have just answered my question . you find it difficult to keep up with the lib Dem's . That's why they are top . they work hard for people .
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and they have a lot more money to spend......
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There was a 2.4% swing from Lib Dem to Conservative though. Annersley Abercorn was in Marple about a week before the election and I heard the promotional Conservative car driving around at 8.45pm on Thursday night.
I don't like this hung parliament one bit. It doesn't feel democratic at all when the British public gave Conservative the most seats and we could end up back with Labour. I wouldn't want to be a Lib Dem MP right now. If they support Clegg to join with Labour, it's good for them because they have a lot in common BUT they will peeve off the majority who voted Conservative. Lib Dem are hostile towards Conservative and do not share a lot in common so they will be sceptical to join forces. I see a re-election coming.
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A better bet than the mess we have been left with, would have been to put Screaming Lord Sutch in Number 10 :D Pity he passed away sometime ago. He couldn't have done a worse job of running the government than whats currently on offer ??? If the same mishaps would have happened for example in Afghanistan IE not everyone having opportunity to vote or not enough ballot papers. There would have been an outcry with people shouting THATS NOT DEMOCRATIC !!! Surprise suprise I have not heard that yet from any of the major politicians, all we have heard is about a coalition. This does not address the issues that the politicians were voted in for especially in this election IE missuse of benefits, immigration unemployment and the debit crisis. OH! on second thoughts this blip may now allow all the three parties more time to deceive us even more about their commitments for bringing about change.
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A Week Before ,WOW .
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A Week Before ,WOW .
Hi Amazon is this a reply to by post if it is I do not understand what you mean ??? but there again I am not very quick on the uptake so can you explain ??? Cheers :-\
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its referring to my post about conservative being in marple a week before election
i didn't see lib dems once but i did hear they were visiting houses around winnington road area. obviously concentrating on the more well to do areas of marple.
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I had a visit from Sue Ingham a couple of weeks ago - I'm on Woodville Dr., so she was covering more than the well to do area's!
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good. in all the years ive lived in marple none of the parties has visited my part of marple. and i've lived here since the 1930's! so i do wonder if they only target certain parts. socioeconomics should not come into it, everyone is equally important. i'm going to inform the local parties about this.
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It is very difficult for the parties to get round to see people. We have to fight elections every year and have an extreme shortage of volunteers. A lot of people think we don't care but the simple fact of the matter is we cannot see everyone due to lack of active people. Anybody can come and chat with me at our office or I shall pay them a visit on request, however.
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Mr Johnstone, I am sorry you did not get in, perhaps next time you will challenge that Councillor Candler. Why not get a real strong team going at the Conservative Club in Marple and by the way was that club your operations centre?
I did not vote for Councillor Ingham, but I am satisfied that she will represent her electorate with integrity and probity befitting the trust placed upon her.
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Thanks for your support, Alan.
You are right in what you say, the Conservative campaign strategy and resources are vastly inferior to that of the Liberal Democrats and simply put my party cannot go on as we are. Campaigns cannot be fought and won on purely policy and ideas - it requires a strong campaign aswell. I believe my opponent next year is Cllr Baker in Marple South.
Yes Marple is one of our affiliated clubs and we do use it as a base.