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Archive => Archived Boards => Local Issues => Topic started by: Basementlife on April 19, 2010, 02:04:13 PM
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Walking along Vale Road on the gorgeous Saturday evening, we spotted a notice on a telephone post giving notice of a planning application for the construction of a new single span equestrian/cycle/pedestrian footbridge across the river Goyt, east of Vale Road.
The documents can be seen at ...
http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/mvmedrms.asp?DCNumber=DC043362
With all 97 pages of the Feasibility Study at...
http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/getimage.asp?DocumentNumber=132964
A short connection from Vale Road to Hill Top Drive !
estimated cost £276,000
I may be wrong but is hoped that some of the cost will be met by funds from the Sustrans Connect 2 Project
( unfortunately I can't work out if this is a Local Issue or needs to be filed under Miscellaneous )
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This is the (long awaited) Sustrans Connect 2 bridge across the Goyt at the weir near Chadkirk. My understanding is that it is totally funded by Sustrans money. Local issues is fine by me ;D
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Thanks Mark.
And I really must pay more attention ,this footbridge and web links were mentioned in the
Connect 2 Project topic, my apologies.
Martin
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I was walking down from Marple garden centre today along side the river Goyt up past Dale Road and was shocked to see the state of the old weir that is along this route. What happened to it? Does anybody know? It's more or less completely collapsed. Is this something to do with this bridge there planning on building?
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Jay, in 2007, a large tree was swept down and lodged itself on the weir. When the tree was given a nudge during another river swell, a few of the stones were dislodged. A "hole" appeared in the middle of the weir and since then, more and more damage has occurred.
Take a peek at these on Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=marple%20dale%20weir&w=all
And this site too!
http://www.ukriversguidebook.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=41440
I can't see it weir being rebuilt. When the footbridge was first proposed it was still in good nick. In fact, this link on the Connect2 site actually shows the tree that started it!!
http://www.sustransconnect2.org.uk/galleries/helen.burton/stockport_-_river_goyt_crossing/150/
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A decision notice is now on the Stockport Council website.
http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/getimage.asp?DocumentNumber=153038
Several points to note, but here are a couple:
The use of the bridge hereby approved shall be limited to use by pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders only. There shall be no use of the bridge whatsoever by motorised vehicles of any type.
No development shall take place until a drawing detailing the pedestrian / cycle paths that will connect the approved bridge with the wider pedestrian / cycle / highway network has been submitted to and approved in writing by the local planning authority. The drawing shall include details of how the paths will be surfaced and drained and details of all signage, fencing and gates. The bridge shall not be bought into use until the paths have been constructed in accordance with the approved drawing.
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Some images from Marple Dale. I wish the Himalayan balsam could be eradicated >:(
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I would rather fight my way through the Balsam than nettles and Brambles . It could be worse!
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I would rather fight my way through the Balsam than nettles and Brambles . It could be worse!
No it couldn't! At least brambles and nettles are useful. Himalayan Balsam is a serious pest and can even contribute to the demolition of stone walls
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... and you have to be careful with your eutrophication in order to reduce Policeman's helmet. This could be difficult by the Goyt.
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Sorry to bump a fairly old thread.
I walked down the road past Dale Farm and followed the footpath round to the back of Marple Hall for the first time recently. The proposed bridge is described as a shortcut for cyclists en route to Stockport, although this seems a good idea, the footpath is fairly off-track and by the time this route has been cycled is it really any faster than cycling via Dan Bank and Otterspool Rd?
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Sorry to bump a fairly old thread.
I walked down the road past Dale Farm and followed the footpath round to the back of Marple Hall for the first time recently. The proposed bridge is described as a shortcut for cyclists en route to Stockport, although this seems a good idea, the footpath is fairly off-track and by the time this route has been cycled is it really any faster than cycling via Dan Bank and Otterspool Rd?
Given the position, it seems like a waste of money
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Sorry to bump a fairly old thread.
I walked down the road past Dale Farm and followed the footpath round to the back of Marple Hall for the first time recently. The proposed bridge is described as a shortcut for cyclists en route to Stockport, although this seems a good idea, the footpath is fairly off-track and by the time this route has been cycled is it really any faster than cycling via Dan Bank and Otterspool Rd?
it's not just about the time - it's also about getting away from traffic, and being in a generally more pleasant environment, as the river bank is far nicer than the road. In any case, yes, it would be far faster to take a route via Marple Dale than to go all the way round, just have a look at the aerial view on google maps
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At first I thought it was a waste of monry but it will only cost 280k and isn't council money so it's not too bad.
I expect the vast majority of Marple residents are unaware of the route so I wonder how often it will be used?
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Does anyone know what kind of surface the route will be i.e. Middlewood Way mud or the better Middlewood Way (Macclesfield) all weather surface?
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I think you answered your own question there - the macc end of the middlewood way is done by Macc. The muddy end of the middlewood way is stockport's...
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I have been in touch with Stockport Council and have received the following information off Alex Bremner, Senior Structures Engineer:
"We have just been given the funds for the bridge; looking to install the bridge Sep/Oct so hope to be on site preparing June/July. I am only responsible for the bridge element but I have passed your questions over to the Public Rights of Way section who are dealing with the linking paths."
When/If - I get a info regarding the exact location of the path from the weir to the road at Marple Dale Lower farm, I will post the response on this forum. I have also asked about the surface and whether there are any outstanding disputes that might hold the project up.
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Further information from a Senior Public Rights of Way Officer
"The final surface of the route will not be tarmac. It will be a binding material that will be suitable to equestrians, cyclists and pedestrians. The choice of the final material is being explored."
"The bridge will be built this summer / autumn with the associated paths improvements continuing into 2012."
"There are no disputes. We are working with local landowners to clarify route" ['Route' being the exact location of the path from the weir to the road at Marple Dale Farm]
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I have *NO* confidence whatsoever in what Stockport Council say. Over winter they rebuilt (presumably at a not inconsiderable expense, as there was a sizeable team working there) the bridleway down The Banks above Mellor golf course, here
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=398125&Y=387380&A=Y&Z=115
That bridleway was fully resurfaced back in August 2003. At the time I said that it had been badly done and wouldn't last very long, but Stockport Council insisted that it was all done to the relevant standards and highest quality. It lasted about 18 months at most before it began to break up, and within 3 years you couldn't tell any work had been done, expect for the large piles of gravel accumulating at the bottom.
So, in 2010, they decided to do it again. They've used the same techniques and the same materials. It's started to break up again already, and they only finished the job in February. Personally, I'd rather they just saved the money and didn't bother...
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I have similar concerns about the new surface on the path that runs along side the tennis courts above Marple Station. It won't take long before the undergrowth takes over and over time it looks like it may just get washed over the side of the cutting.
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At first I thought it was a waste of Monro but it will only cost 280k and isn't council money so it's not too bad.
I expect the vast majority of Marple residents are unaware of the route so I wonder how often it will be used?
Can anyone show us this route were it goes .plan etc .[ ADMIN DO YOU HAVE ANY THING ] YOUR USELY GOOD AT COMING UP WITH THINGS .
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The route is basically along Marple Dale until the weir, see this link: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4301920
Or the Marple Dale Walk pdf: http://www.marple-uk.com/walks/marple_dale.pdf
On the latter it is between points 3 and 5. Not sure where it goes after crossing the new bridge at the weir.
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That bridleway was fully resurfaced back in August 2003. At the time I said that it had been badly done and wouldn't last very long, but Stockport Council insisted that it was all done to the relevant standards and highest quality. It lasted about 18 months at most before it began to break up, and within 3 years you couldn't tell any work had been done, expect for the large piles of gravel accumulating at the bottom.
Hmm. As it's a bridleway it has, by definition, to be suitable for horses and this definitely sounds as if it isn't. In fact to this horsewoman of nearly 58 summers (and winters) riding experience it sounds downright dangerous.
Mind you, Stockport have never been noted for being horse-friendly. For some time, despite regular complaints from Stockport East Area Bridleways Association, they had been resurfacing roads with an extremely slippery compound which was lethal for metal shod hooves even at a walk. (And horses do have a right of way on the highway, in fact some main roads and side roads in the borough are also bridleways, so don't start with the horses shouldn't be on the road argument, thank you.)
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Latest News: I have been in touch again with Alex Bremner, Senior Structures Engineer and can pass this info on:
"The dates I provided have now slipped due to planning conditions being imposed for the presence of greater crested newts which required us to obtain a licence from Natural England. We then didn’t have time to complete the works in the river before the brown trout spawning season commenced on the 30th September. We publicised this change at the recent Chadkirk Festival and our partners Sustrans are happy with the revised dates which are now, March/April 2012 access preparation works, then the river works with the bridge being installed towards the end of July. I apologise for this delay but we have to work in accordance with the regulations and only had a short window for working within the river this year due to the planning process. If you require any further information please let me know."
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As of today, the footpath around the perimeter of Marple Hall School will be closed to the public. A compound for the works is being set up in front of the Marple Hall ruins. Appropriate signs are being placed at the other end of the path near Marple Garden Centre. There is currently no access to the river Goyt as tree felling in is progress.
According to the site supervisor I spoke to, this phase of work is scheduled to last for 23 weeks. By the river, path improvements for the new bridleway will be performed up to the weir where the new bridge is to be constructed. No work will be carried out on the section between the weir and Marple Dale Farm. This is planned for a later stage.
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This raises several questions.
Are they providing an alternative path between Marple Hall and Otterspool?
Are the grounds of the old Marpe Hall being suitably protcted as this land was given to the people of Marple.
Where do people now walk their dogs.
And I am sure there will be others !
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Is there a planning application for this work? I can't find it but perhaps I'm searching for the wrong thing.
As of today, the footpath around the perimeter of Marple Hall School will be closed to the public. A compound for the works is being set up in front of the Marple Hall ruins. Appropriate signs are being placed at the other end of the path near Marple Garden Centre. There is currently no access to the river Goyt as tree felling in is progress.
According to the site supervisor I spoke to, this phase of work is scheduled to last for 23 weeks. By the river, path improvements for the new bridleway will be performed up to the weir where the new bridge is to be constructed. No work will be carried out on the section between the weir and Marple Dale Farm. This is planned for a later stage.
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Is there a planning application for this work? I can't find it but perhaps I'm searching for the wrong thing.
Is this the application that covers the tree felling/pruning that is being done now? DC/048089 "Various works to trees situated within the woodland". There appear to be no further details on the application!
Planning link here: http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData/AcolNetCGI.gov (http://planning.stockport.gov.uk/PlanningData/AcolNetCGI.gov)
The Easting/Northing: 394390/389284 on the DC/048089 application points to this location: http://tinyurl.com/5sutlo6 (http://tinyurl.com/5sutlo6)
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The cycle route goes nowhere but around in a circle. I really hate this sort of money being wasted.
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This was mentioned at The Area Committee meeting tonight
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This was mentioned at The Area Committee meeting tonight
It's good to hear they are on my wavelength
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The cycle route goes nowhere but around in a circle. I really hate this sort of money being wasted.
Which cycle route is that? The point of this footbridge is to provide another (better?) route to Romiley, Bredbury and Stockport, extending Middlewood Way (Route 55) to link up with the Transpennine Trail at Reddish Vale.
What are these works at Hill Top Drive? Has the Dale Road route been abandoned?
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Cant imagine them doing much work on Dale road down to lower dale farm. The footpath is the councils responsibility but the road is not but both are the same!! From what I've heard from the landowner the council are being less than cooperative at helping sort it out! And yes i appreciate that the onus is on the landowner to make the road drivable.. ( not walkable!) However when theres no money to do a huge job like that.. and there are multiple users to the road rather than just residential traffic... and its part of a public right of way/pathway/cycle route the council should help.
in my opinion :D
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At first I thought it was a waste of monry but it will only cost 280k and isn't council money so it's not too bad.
I expect the vast majority of Marple residents are unaware of the route so I wonder how often it will be used?
I don't know about 'only' 280k that's my tax contribution for over 30 years to contribute to a bridge that will never get used.
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I don't know about 'only' 280k that's my tax contribution for over 30 years to contribute to a bridge that will never get used.
I'm sure it will get used, people probably said the same about the Middlewood Way when that was first suggested. Come on Duke get out of your car and in the words of Norman "Get on your bike"
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I don't know about 'only' 280k that's my tax contribution for over 30 years to contribute to a bridge that will never get used.
That's sloppy, Duke, although I suspect you posted without really thinking about it. You can't choose where your taxes are used. Otherwise, childless people wouldn't pay for schools or childcare, pacifists wouldn't pay for the armed forces etc. You can only choose where your taxes go by looking at the policies of the people standing for election. Even then, it's very very broad.
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I don't know about 'only' 280k that's my tax contribution for over 30 years to contribute to a bridge that will never get used.
I'm sure it will get used, people probably said the same about the Middlewood Way when that was first suggested. Come on Duke get out of your car and in the words of Norman "Get on your bike"
Victor M, I do get on my bike, most days in fact but I’m not going to go out of my way to use a bridge that will add 5-10 mins to my commute. I can’t see many who bother to get out of the car to bike into Stokport / Manchester willing to make a detour to use a bridge.
I don't know about 'only' 280k that's my tax contribution for over 30 years to contribute to a bridge that will never get used.
That's sloppy, Duke, although I suspect you posted without really thinking about it. You can't choose where your taxes are used. Otherwise, childless people wouldn't pay for schools or childcare, pacifists wouldn't pay for the armed forces etc. You can only choose where your taxes go by looking at the policies of the people standing for election. Even then, it's very very broad.
Howard, The illustration of my taxes being used to pay for something I don’t want was not the point, I’m fully aware I can’t pick and choose how it’s spent except through the ballot box (that is why the market is always more democratic) . The point is that an earlier poster said that on first look the bridge seemed a waste of money but having seen it’s ‘only’ £270k and the funds come out of a non council fund. My issue is whether that’s funded from my council tax or income tax, it’s all money that has been taken away from me by one form or another and ‘only’ £270k is more than most people pay in income tax in a working lifetime which suggests it should be spent very carefully.
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I don't know about 'only' 280k that's my tax contribution for over 30 years to contribute to a bridge that will never get used.
Or put another way, about £1.70 for every person who lives in Stockport Metropolitan Borough.
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The Civic Society have sent me some information about this to put on the site, infact (apologies to MCS) they sent it a good few days ago and I overlooked it. Basically, this is the information sent by SMBC to local residents near to the site:
To The Current Owner / Occupier
Date: 18th October 2011
My Ref : 08/881/BW/001/LJ
Lee Jamison
Engineering Services,
1st Floor, Fred Perry House
Direct line: 0161 474 4957
Fax: 0161 476 0721
email: l.jamison@stockport.gov.uk
Dear Sir / Madam,
Contract – Chadkirk Bridleway Construction, Marple, Stockport
Stockport Council will be completing an upgrade of the existing Public Right of Way which runs
between Hill Top Drive and the proposed Chadkirk Bridge crossing of the River Goyt to bridleway satus
(see attached plan). The path works will commence on the 24th October 2011 and are anticipated to last
for 23-weeks. To provide appropriate welfare facilities and a storage area a site compound will be set up
within the grassed area at the end of Hill Top Drive. This area will be restored to its original condition
after the completion of the works. The approach paths will be closed from Hill Top Drive, Otterspool
Road and the Dale Farm river side path for the duration of the works. To facilitate access to the work
site it will not be possible to park vehicles along the unsurfaced part of Hill Top Drive adjacent to the
school.
If you would like any further information regarding the above works then please contact me on the
number above.
Yours faithfully
Lee Jamison
Structures Engineer
Enc. Route Plan
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I supported this proposal before but it really does seem a waste of money - it will benefit very very few people.
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Work is starting on a new multi-use bridge over the River Goyt linking Marple, Bredbury Green and Romiley, and linking to local and national trails. Work starts on the new bridge on 5th March and is expected to take 14 weeks.
Info here:
http://www.stockport.gov.uk/newsroom/stockportsnewbridge?view=Standard (http://www.stockport.gov.uk/newsroom/stockportsnewbridge?view=Standard)
An interesting bit: Over the next few weeks, people will be asked to vote for their favourite local figures whose metal portraits will be placed next to the bridge.
Anyone got any ideas for favourite local figures? ("Big Issue!!?" lol)
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Monty Burton ?
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Mike Yarwood
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Danny Bergara.
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Fred Perry
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me...
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Samuel Oldknow. As he did more for Marple than anyone else I can think of.
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I ll 2nd monty Burton!
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Monty Burton of Burton's clothes stores? I think you meant Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery.
http://www.marple-uk.com/montgomery.htm
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Fred Perry
miss Marples /
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Monty Burton of Burton's clothes stores? I think you meant Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery.
http://www.marple-uk.com/montgomery.htm
No they mean Monty Burton, local councillor, carnival chairman, community council chairman and railway enthusiast. Go to the main site and search for Monty Burton.
I third this nomination byw.