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Archive => Archived Boards => Local Issues => Topic started by: Dave on December 21, 2009, 02:00:13 PM
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Had to drive to New Mills this morning. Brabyns Brow, Arkwright Road and Strines Road were all only passable with great care - the few vehicles which had ventured out were creeping cautiously along at about 15mph. It was if the gritters had not been out all weekend. Did anyone see one anywhere in Marple? ???
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Over the weekend they seem to be have scarce as rocking horse manure, not seen one all weekend.
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Had to drive to New Mills this morning. Brabyns Brow, Arkwright Road and Strines Road were all only passable with great care - the few vehicles which had ventured out were creeping cautiously along at about 15mph. It was if the gritters had not been out all weekend. Did anyone see one anywhere in Marple? ???
YES the gritters were out lower fold and the surounding areas were grited at least three times yesterday and during the night . i know they woke me up
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Dont know if its true, but I was told the gritter got stuck on Brabyns Brow on Friday night! I actually saw a gritter on Friday /Saturday night at the bottom of Dan bank at 1.30 am.
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Our road, on the Ley Hey estate so not a through route, was gritted before 9.30 this morning.
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Not sure if they have been out anywhere, I came from Dukinfield and the roads over here hadnt been gritted, yesterday the roads were dreadful. But mum says that they have done her road today which we have never even seen before.
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well they haven't found Stockport yet, or central Manchester! Maybe the gritter drivers live locally?!
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I've seen evidence that they've been out but I think they've been using minimal grit as Woodville Drive needed examining with a microscope to see the few spots of grit that had been put down!
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Not sure if they have been out anywhere, I came from Dukinfield and the roads over here hadnt been gritted, yesterday the roads were dreadful. But mum says that they have done her road today which we have never even seen before.
Thats TAMESIDE not stockport . or marple .
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Amazon, I just meant that they havent been out anywhere in Marple or the areas around Manchester.
Oh and a Merry Christmas to all
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i think sue is aware the duckinfield is in tameside and was making the comment as a generalization this is why people have stopped making comments on here oh and merry Christmas to everyone
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has anyone ever come back to say who own the fishing waters hahahahahahah
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noone ever grits our road.. and i still cant get my car out !! still its great fun watching visitors get stuck :)
am getting a touch fed up of walking everywhere in wellies now though!!
Have a great xmas everyone
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am getting a touch fed up of walking everywhere in wellies now though!!
Me too. ::)
Merry Christmas everyone, and a Happy New Year (how many weeks of 2010 will pass before someone mentions 17 W*nd*ws?) ;D
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Lisa
?weeks? You'll be lucky!! I'll give it a couple of days (especially now you've reminded them!)
Merry Christmas and a Happy 2010
Alison
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Oh and re the gritting - there is actually a document on SMBCs website that explains the policy, the order in which roads are done etc, even the routes! Its actually quite interesting (I was a bit bored today!)
On balance, bearing in mind the unusual circumstances, the resources that they have, and the fact that the weather warning for yesterday didn't go out until after the weather was already happening, I don't think they have done a bad job keeping the major routes open. It would be brilliant if they could do everywhere, and I would love it if they could sort out my street and the pavements around here, but realistically that's never going to happen.
Stay safe everyone, and keep an eye on people that might need some extra help in this weather, Hope you all have a peaceful, Happy Christmas and New Year.
Alison
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HAPPY CHRISTMAS everyone! :)
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It was interesting to note that Brabyns Brow is a second level priority route for gritting on Stockport Councils winter plan. This means there are five other routes that require gritting before Brabyns Brow gets attention. It may go some way towards explaining the traffic chaos and accidents on the road over the last few days - definitely a time for 4x4 which the majority in Mellor appear to already have!
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Still for sale . :)
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Whats the connection with seventeen windows and gritting?just wondered. Silence is Golden ;D
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DEC 23 2009 05.42 . By Dave .
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Dave said in 2010, we are still in 2009 aren't we
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If you would like to see how the Dutch cope with the snow see http://hembrow.blogspot.com/search/label/gritting (http://hembrow.blogspot.com/search/label/gritting)
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Interesting post on how the Dutch were coping. They did mention that the side streets were still hazardous, but all efforts were being made to get the cycle paths open. In fact, side streets not linking the cycle network were left untouched. If you've never been to Holland, it's hard to appreciate the number of people on bikes. Aren't they lucky they don't have a Brabyns Brow, Dan Bank or Longhurst Lane to worry about. It made me laugh recently when my uncle told me he had a new "mountain bike" (he lives in Enschede). (There are NO hills in Holland).
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Have the gritters been out over night ?
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I saw one heading up Longhurst Lane about 6.45 p.m. :D
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yes the gritters were out midnight last night and earl morning lower fold and surounding areas
it has snowed a lot about six inches .the Buses still running as well although slow service .
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An interesting morning out there today. I set off for work at 6.30am and after seeing a car and bus stuck coming up Dan Bank and others struggling up the hill towards Offerton I detoured left towards Hazel Grove and came home via the A6 and Windlehurst. Met a couple of my neighbours leaving as I got back and they decided to stay home too. Another neighbour who left around the same time as me has just got back again and my son got as far as Stockport and has decided to turn around too. He's still out there!
Has anyone else fared better?
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There are some advantages to being retired, then!! Seriously, I feel sorry for anyone trying to get to work today, and hope no one is hurt because of the weather.
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I have seen loads of gritters out and about and not 1 has been spreading.
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Left just before 7am this morning - eventually turned back at Trafford Park as the M60 ahead over the canal was blocked by 2 jackknifed lorries. Arrived back in Marple about 11am - 4 hours to do probably 30 miles. Saw painfully too much poor driving (stopping on an incline to take a mobile phone call (causing several cars behind to have to stop), not anticipating far enough ahead, failing to carry momentum up hill, not using engine braking to get safely down hill, hard acceleration/ breaking and steering etc.) No wonder people are getting stuck and inconveniencing others. It's not just the lack of grit!
RH
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Is there a point in gritting at mo with a tonne more snow expected B4 freezing temperatures? bit of a waste as cant see it will help much considering how much was/is falling maybe best to save until snow stops and temperatures drop?
time to just be sensible instead and stay off the roads :)
i saw the gritters Clearing road this morning but not gritting...
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I had a great ride to work at 7am this morning on the bike, bit dodgy on the snow where cars had been as the packed snow was skiddy, but great to cruise past the standing traffic and then have the road till the next downhill section....
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I am sorry to hear so many people feel they have been let down by the Gritters,here is some info I hope redresses the balance.
When snow is forecast, the Council sends out the gritters. Trouble spots are identified by networks of sensors embedded in the asphalt.
On roads and highways across the UK, discs are embedded in the road surface to measure climatic conditions. Each is connected by cable or mobile phone technology to an automatic weather station, an unassuming grey box by the roadside.
Sensors measure road and air temps, rain, dew and salt levels
GPS is now being used to provide detailed ice predictions
Authorities use data to decide when to send out gritters
It's a system developed in the 1970 and 80s and now widely used across the country to track and predict road conditions throughout inclement months. To have accurate information about driving conditions is invaluable to road authorities and local councils to decide when - and where - to send out the gritters.
The sensors are sited either on a representative stretch of road (no nearby trees, buildings or bridges, which offer some protection from the cold), or traditional cold spots. The weather stations then beam back data about air and road temperatures, wind speed and direction, and the wetness of roads.
This is posted on an intranet for officials to monitor, along with analysis by meteorologists using local weather forecasts.
Salt levels are also measured to ensure that grit already spread has not been blown away by wind or washed away by rain,.
Major routes have to take priority once these routes have had a sufficiant coating of grit then minor routes can be looked at.Because conditions have been so severe it is taking longer to treat major routes.Unfortunatly there is not the equiptment or manpower(pardon the pun)to treat all pavements,if however everyone was to clear the bit of pavement outside there home or buisiness this would help us all.I hope everyone will spare a thought for the operaters of the gritters and snow ploughs and the very unsocial hours they are working,yes I know they are paid but were would we be without them,lets stop bashing the Grit teams and give them some support..One more thought who clears the roads so the grit teams can get to work??? ;)
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Good grief - all that techie stuff just to chuck grit on the roads! (Have you ever noticed how the more technology gets involved, the more things go wrong) ;)
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I hope everyone will spare a thought for the operaters of the gritters and snow ploughs and the very unsocial hours they are working,yes I know they are paid but were would we be without them,lets stop bashing the Grit teams and give them some support..One more thought who clears the roads so the grit teams can get to work??? ;)
I think no one on here is personally getting at the gritters, but more towards SMBC, I do not envy they council, buy to much grit and have a mild winter-they risk spending the budget for other areas for the next few months. Don't buy enough and have a bad winter (as we are having now) and you know the rest of the story.
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Good point,but we have had mild winters for a while,last year though gritting commenced in October,it is difficult to balance how much grit the Council should have in stock.The adverse conditions did come on quite quickly.Now its a balance of prioritising were to put the grit. :-X
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if however everyone was to clear the bit of pavement outside there home or buisiness this would help us all.
Amen to that.
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i dont have a problem with the gritting or even smbc possibly running out of grit... its an unprecedented situation... we have to live and cope with it! not so long ago we wouldnt even consider expecting the council to rovide all these services for us!!!
and yep maybe people should clear the street a bit.. many have... to the sides of their drives!!! so walking on my own and especially with my youngest kids through the mountains is .... interesting to say the least !
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It would be great if everyone cleared the Pavement outside their home or business. In other Countries this is a legal obligation. If you do it here you will unfortunately make yourself liable to claims from anyone who has an injury on the pavement you cleared. This is just another benefit of the 'Blame and claim' culture in the UK. You do however have an obligation to make your property safe for anyone coming to your home e.g. Postman or Postwomen (PC obligation covered)
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While there is a theoretical risk of a claim being bought against you if someone injuries themselves on the bit of pavement you cleared, in practice it would be an extremely difficult case to prove.
The claimant would have to prove that you acted maliciously or carelessly.
See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8443745.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8443745.stm)
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The legal risk is my excuse for not spending lots of money on expensive salt or trying to chisel through 2" of solid ice! But anyone else is more than welcome, I won't sue!
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It could be argued that there is only 2" of solid ice because it wasn't cleared before it froze! ;)
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but theres so much.. where do you clear it too? i half cleared my drive.. nearly covered the caravan ;) ok ok but got mounds of the stuff everywhere now!!!
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Batman suggests that when Snow is forecast - Our Priority roads are gritted - Snow was forecast on Saturday 19th December - fell albeit fairly lightly around 7- 8.00 pm but no gritting took place until later that evening leaving Brabyns Brow in a chaotic and dangerous state. It's examples such as this that frustrate together with the responses you get and this isn't about the gritting teams ;)
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Merry Christmas everyone, and a Happy New Year (how many weeks of 2010 will pass before someone mentions 17 W*nd*ws?) ;D
....and the answer is: only two! http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=2637.285;topicseen ::)